Wagner Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crP-f9exgm4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0rAB3yCwFwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--BA3fWEoBchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kylUqeREx1Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J897QmsByLM>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread: >>123022387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwmqRrZ5PE0The GOAT
bump
Beethoven's oral Fantasy for piano, chorus and orchestra. op.80https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I8AT3S3iRc&ab_channel=%E3%82%AA%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AA%E3%82%B9
What's your favorite fantasia? Mine is the Fantasie for String Quartet, Oboe, Theremin, and Piano by Martinu:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5ezRRAg1ms
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmhUE3YMYQA
>>123056293the fartfingerer
Ultimately there is only one dividing line I recognize: that between good and bad art. However, while the dividing line between Jews and non-Jews is being drawn with a downright merciless theoretical precision, that other dividing line, the one which in the long run is so important for our music life, yes, the decisive dividing line between good and bad, seems to have far too little significance attributed to it ... If concerts offer nothing then people will not attend; that is why the QUALITY is not just an idea: it is of vital importance. If the fight against Judaism concentrates on those artists who are themselves rootless and destructive and who seek to succeed in kitsch, sterile virtuosity and the like, then it is quite acceptable; the fight against these people and the attitude they embody (as, unfortunately, do many non-Jews) cannot be pursued thoroughly or systematically enough. If, however, this campaign is also directed at truly great artists, then it ceases to be in the interests of Germany's cultural life ... It must therefore be stated that men such as Walter, Klemperer, Reinhardt etc. must be allowed to exercise their talents in Germany in the future as well, in exactly the same way as Kreisler, Huberman, Schnabel and other great instrumentalists of the Jewish race. It is only just that we Germans should bear in mind that in the past we had Joseph Joachim one of the greatest violinists and teachers in the German classical tradition, and in Mendelssohn even a great German composer – for Mendelssohn is a part of Germany's musical history.
>>123056250Classical is "nothing" without Wagner.
>>123056507trans rights are nothing without wagner
>>123056339Schubert's Wanderer fantasyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy_HeH-pRfI
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM7ST1KNHA8
W. (Warning - HISS) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZeO_GT45k
Iannis Xenakis - Tetras (w/ score) (1983)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLdMRvHa480&ab_channel=GiovanniBattistaBoccardo
>>123056560Does Wagner have any good non-operatic works other than the Siegfried Idyll?
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_LrHBPfeas
>>123056571>Warning - DEMENTIAftfy>>123056578i guess the wesendonck lieder exist, if you want to count that.
>>123056339https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g5iIkUfrBg
Has anyone else had mystical experiences listening to Wagner's music?
>>123056578I take it you hate vocals. You can find vocal-filtered recordings on youtube.
The musick, too, was of ineffable inspiration. Insensible as I am to musick in general, I cannot escape the magic of Wagner, whose genius caught the deepest spirit of those ancestral yellow-bearded gods of war & dominion before whom my own soul bows as before no others—Wooden, Thor, Freyr, & the vast Alfadur—frosty blue-eyed giants worthy of the adoration of a conquering people!HP Lovecraft
>>123056611*Woden presumably
Does this retard actually believe they played like this in the 19th century?https://youtu.be/Z0Etm6uBSwU?si=JO0BEl7QNrspkj5Z
>>123056599yes. In particular, the prelude to act one of Tristan und Isolde.
>>123056599I am in a world, where I am taking a stroll in a beautiful park built by the divine, suddenly my legs feel tired and request to stop. Cordially I went on ahead to sit under the shade of a chestnut tree. My fatigue washes away from me as I slip into my imaginative daydreaming, I can hear the melancholic chirping of the sparrows and the water flowing from the creeks, feel the gust of a chilly wind approaching my face, smell the rejuvenating fragrance of the good earth. But then I realize I was just listening to the start of Lohengrin. I a poor soul, venerate the gods for creating such beauty and allowing an inferior soul like me to experience it!
>>123056604I actually like Wagner's Operas I was asking to see if I missed anything.
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlXUfLx0B-0
György Ligeti - Poème Symphonique For 100 Metronomeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mUv705xj3U&ab_channel=GBMChannelTV
>>123056694stop ban evading, pedophile kraut
>>123056649Not anymore he used to think Whole Beat Metronome Practice was real but he doesn't anymore
>>123056792when did wim winters drop the stupid metronome bullshit? it’s literally his entire claim to fame
>>123056788
>>123056824simply futile, chomo germ
Some Virginal music Orlando Gibbonshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6vgZbE9p5w&ab_channel=WarnerClassicsJohn Bullhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCrTDyFM4w&ab_channel=WarnerClassics
>>123056821He didn't I misremembered scrolling through a feed of madness and there was a guy who did believe it and then stopped.
Now Playing - Johann Sebastian Bach - New Concertoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FReKkYhJxFM&list=OLAK5uy_l9zIVI6jK1zLfEr2UlWMIRm8b7INjC3ak
>>123056861yeah, he's too entrenched in that crap to ever let go of it. the second he admits he may have been even slightly wrong, that entire house of cards comes falling down.
>>123056753Sometimes its better to just stop being a completionist. I hate to admit it, Wagner... wrote terrible sonatas. His recreation of Faust was wonderful but everything else was (forgive me Wagner) mediocre.
damn near definitive. still on the hunt for the perfect 9th though -- listened to Ancerl / Czech last night but fell asleep after the first movement because it was late and I had taken melatonin, so gonna try that again.
>>123056925more like MEHler.
>>123056934I haven't made a post about his music in a couple days now, cut me some slack!
>>123056925>9:27 himmlische lebenyeah nah, nothing about this gay guy shit is definitive
>>123056940no.
>>123056941lol ever since you made that comment about the Levi / Atlanta one I always reflexively check the track length on that when I listen to the 4th now. Which one do you suggest, then? Most are sub-10 from a quick look through the ones I have added, except Bernstein's.
>>123056961put your trip back on, pedophile kraut>>123056966i’ve already told you, ivan fischer’s and chailly’s gewandhaus recording. the himmlische leben holds a special place in the mahler discography because it’s one of the only two symphonic mahler movements where we definitively know what kinds of tempos mahler would have taken in his own interpretation of his music, because we literally have a recording of it. https://youtu.be/L_51y0gCK8M?si=33chK2i2NJa17CUOthis, along with mengelberg’s, walter’s, and klemperer’s recordings, pretty consistently proves that there was an established performance practice for the movement typically averaging at 8-8:30 minutes. 9:30 is a modern contrivance, much like similarly turgid recordings of the adagietto
>>123057026Oh I completely misread your post the other day, for some reason I thought you said >sub-10minAs in it should be longer, lol. Yeah I should re-listen to that Fischer one, I haven't seen I've become intimately familiar with all of the symphonies, and the Chailly / Gewandhaus is great. In my defense I'm pretty sure you've only ever expressed this whole thing about the 5th's Adagietto but maybe I just forgot. Thanks.
>>123057069i’m of the opinion that a huge majority of modern (by which i mean 60s and onwards) mahler (and bruckner, and brahms, and probably every other romantic and classical composer) recordings are far too slow. the adagietto and himmlische leben are just the easiest suspects to target, because we have historical evidence to prove that there genuinely is such a thing as too slow, and slow tempos in these particular movements are to an obvious huge detriment to the music.
>>123057109And yet you hate the Stokowski Brahms 4! Kidding.I feel that. I've noticed I almost always prefer faster tempo recordings except in cases where the conductor is able to do something interesting with it (Klemperer Beethoven 3, Levi Mahler 1, Giulini Brahms) but even then those are generally for mixing it up now and then and not so much my favorite. I always just thought I had a poor attention span though, that the fault lay on my end lol. Glad to hear someone else share the preference, and I know there's another poster here who likes his Bruckner on the fast end too.
>>123057109We know beethoven was played fast, in fact Wim's gay little theory only holds some amount of cachet is because the tempi markings on the original printings/ mss. of the music are so fast people don't believe it.
>>123056578Kaissermarsch
>>123057257>Kaissermarschthank this is actually really enjoyable.
>>123056578https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMDzTJJIT3ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqThC6GAngEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGKfO2pJ_Uc
np
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYRrIBqKsJ4
>>123057506i've never ever liked this recording of bruckner 6. i just don't like klemperer's bruckner. >>123057532not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>123057590>i've never ever liked this recording of bruckner 6. i just don't like klemperer's bruckner.I'm loving it but it's definitely different from every other Bruckner 6 I've listened to.
This is a certified hood classichttps://youtu.be/phBThlPTBEg
>>123057724klemperer’s everything is inherently different to everyone else’s version of the same music because of his tempo preferences and his orchestral balances. outside of his mahler, i’ve honestly gotten really sick of the way he handles tempo, it robs movements of their internal structure.
Why does almost every conductor play the 3rd movement of Mozart's 39th symphony so slowly? It doesn't sound right. Mackerras is the only one that does it right.Compare this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k16t0zdgeuI&t=1006sWith this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-AI0HT4218It's supposed to be fast and energetic, not slow.
>>123056882>>123056861Winters DID admit it was bullshit though. He even posted a video.
>>123058080link?
The Dresden or Berlin Sanderling Brahms cycle?
>>123058262neither, frankly
>>123058307Hmm aiight fair enough. No reason I can't just re-listen to the ones I like already I guess.
>>123057918https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HHyt0q2GW8g&pp=ygUUSGVyem9nIG1vemFydCAzOSBpaWk%3D brace yourself
Grieg in unequal temperamenthttps://youtu.be/vgRmAHAOPRM?si=omS471REn3EYOYR2
>>123058262That's up to your preference.
>>123058467So both are worth trying? I didn't look at the Dresden one much but I did see the 4th on the Berlin cycle has some ungodly movement track times.
>>123058453absolutely sacrilegious.
mild und leise...
>>123058637why
>>123058485Nah, just saying you should listen to em and form your own opinion. Ultimately it's your preference that decides the best recordings for you, not the opinions of others
What you guys listening to this morning? For me, its Piano Concerto 24
>>123058842True, but it's all about knowing if something is worth spending time on. But I suppose his cycles do have enough acclaim that they're worth trying regardless, so I suppose you're right.
>>123058749Grieg's music only works in 12-ET because it is impossible for any system of fixed tones to play a modulatory piece of music.for more information, read Max Reger's textbook on modulation.
Modulation from C to B#:C - Em - F# - C# - A#m - B# - F## - B#
>>123057476>Orchestration of the fugue from Bach's Organ Concerto in D Minorpls shrekt him by posting your best recording
Dresden Staatskapelle is pretty good.
>>123059693https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26O1f-IKRpY&t=2044
>>123059881This isnt classical, gay ass comment section as well. I might shitpost anime but this is some troon shit.https://youtube.com/watch?v=up4_6UKrcxEM.
>>123059927part and parcel, anon. This is an anime website.
>>123059959I mean, sure. But this isnt a gay faggot website.
>>123059927Tranime poster redemption arc
Any other brassy compositions like this?https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pw93eSAeweILove the sound
>>123060008in film music, certainly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duz7EXYZtWM&t=871
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2mofvWTpeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RpegRT3rj8
Wagners Romantic operas vs his later operas, which is better?
>sibeliushurwitzsisters on suicidewatch
>>123060978his later operas are superior, but they are all masterpieces. Early Period / Pre Schopenhauer:RienziThe Flying DutchmanTannhauserLohengrinMiddle Period / Post Schopenhauer:Tristan und IsoldeDie MeistersingerThe Ring TetralogyLate Period / Bayreuth:Parsifal
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCmYSFIY-Q
What frequency response on headphones would be ideal for symphonic music? I am thinking of investing in higher quality headphones.I know, not related to classical directly. Here is some wagnerhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=K20YJaeXAjo
>>123061451stereo 20hz-20khz gaming headphoneshere is some holmboehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx40Aj2gUa4
>>123061218He wrote Das Rheingold and the first act of Walkure before reading Schopenhauer. Also I think Gotterdammerung should be lumped in with Parsifal as a 'late period' work.
>>123061697correct but after reading Schopenhauer he took a break from the ring project and wrote the operas Tristan und Isolde and Die Meistersinger. Schopenhauer basically caused Wagner to have a mid-life crisis and completely rethink his approach. It would therefore be more appropriate to classify the ring cycle as a bridge connecting Wagner's middle and late periods.
>>123061622Shut up, its a serious question
bog
>>123061948ner
>>123059024>>123059049>>123059881>>123059959>>123061218>>123061622>>123061786stop ban evading pedophile kraut>>123061451not /classical/, try >>>/g/ instead, tranime sister
>>123062354time to dilate, TJ.
>>123056604nta but what does vocal-filtered mean? would it be possible to listen to, say, the entire Ring Cycle with no vocals? because that would be awesome, I always get filtered by opera vocals.
>>123062390thank you obsessed ESL schizophrenic
>>123062354I posted wagner doe, so my post was /classical/ relatedhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=QTElk_d6OMkW.
>>123062395https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm6c_VI8CZI
>>123062395This is like trying to edit out the piano out of a piano concerto. Vocals are literally the lead instrument you idiot.
>>123062696thank you tranime pedophile
>>123062944No problem ;)
>>123063014hop on VC tranime pedophile, it's time to goon
https://youtu.be/K32B1aoklAA?si=RMvtJ7u4PlQChbh0&t=156Wagner, the master of language, the mythologist and myth-maker, the philosopher, historian, aesthetician and critic, poet of previous societies, who has made simple dramas new again, and clarified the place of the arts in human culture, and understood the values of the past, and who has for the first time encircled the entire structure in one ring, and engraved the runes of his spirit on it - what an abundance of knowledge he had to accumulate and compile, in order to accomplish all this! And yet the magnitude of the task never daunted him, nor did the details and the beauty distract him.
>>123063116I practice semen retention. The only self pleasure I need is the music of Mozart.
>>123063292awful lie, porn addicted tranime pedophile
>>123063404Fine work trannyjanny
>>123063996obsessed as always, ESL schizophrenic
I went from disliking symphonies a few months ago to only listening to them now, funny how it can work like that. My interests have always worked in phases I suppose.
>>123064167How can you even dislike symphonies?
>>123064190I preferred the tautness of chamber music is what I think it was; the tighter structures, immediate melodies, and small, intimate sound.
>>123064190imagine like the darth vader theme or pirates of the caribbean. has novelty for a minute but not relistenable
lmao i was shitposting but the beethoven's 5th dun dun dun dun is cliched just like the darth vader themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv2WJMVPQi8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABs7d50SDs
>>123064501>>123064543not /classical/, try >>> /mu/ instead
like this has novelty to it but doesn't fit in like a daily playlisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0n9PLMYAQg
>>123064694not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
Freude scheude gotterfunken
>>123064501That’s the opposite though, because they’re short and snappy you can relisten a lot
>>123064591>>123064721Top notch (volunteer) work sister jannine
>>123064750obsessed as always, schizophrenic ESL
>>123064815An interesting point Trannis Jannakis
now playingstart of Symphony No. 3, Op. 27, FS 60, "Sinfonia espansiva":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUYWvOR41UQ&list=OLAK5uy_mqprvH7T8OTAqhXz0sb4R9Bx1PExRlPOc&index=2start of Symphony No. 2, Op. 16, FS 29, "The 4 Temperaments":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGmlFJLHCeI&list=OLAK5uy_mqprvH7T8OTAqhXz0sb4R9Bx1PExRlPOc&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mqprvH7T8OTAqhXz0sb4R9Bx1PExRlPOc
>>123064746they're not artistically high-brow, everyone pretty much knows it inside and out. whereas with a modern song you actively come back to it to experience the unique sound textures and minor details that you don't have such a vivid memory of.
>>123065017obsessed as always, schizophrenic ESL>>123065057not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
Do you only listen to classical music? Is it your favorite genre
>>123059927I think I hate Mozart, i can't be sure
>>123065130A necessary post sister poster
>>123065245obsessed as always, schizophrenic ESL
>>123065164No i also listen to Jazz and Prog Rock, yes I am insufferablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXy50exHjes
Where do i start with Bach?
>>123065405you start with the BWV 1 and listen to them in order, the intended listening experience.
>>123065220i might be a musical genius and i arrived at that conclusion pretty soon because anon made a sarcastic remark to me like i think i'm the next mozart so i listened to some of his music and expert commentary and there wasn't a whole lot to it. he has a mildly amusing story about his sense of humor but it's not like there could be a strong argument to be made that modern musicians should draw inspiration from him composition wise.
>>123063404I mean, theres a reason all the images I post are SFW and wholesome. The posts made by me anyways.
Symphony No. 36 in C major, K. 425,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXk2te8m2-k&ab_channel=oppie47
>>123065550not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead>>123065578all the images you post are thinly veiled cartoon child pornography more like
>>123065405Depends on what forms you like the most. In general I'd recommend one of the solo violin sonatas/partitas, violin concertos, Brandenburg Concertos, or Orchestral Suites, again depending what you're into.
>>123065363Very nice, nothing wrong with prog rock ,
just listened to the second movement of beethoven's piano sonata no 32 for the first time and i will hear no further argument that black people invented jazz and therefore modern music. my nibba ludwig van was doing that ish 70 years ahead of themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE2iyBRmA_g
>>123065618Guarantee the tranny janny has stacks of real CP on their computer which they goon to with Mahler in the background
>>123065655Jesus, anon.
>>123065646only someone stupid enough to listen to pogorelich's op. 111 could believe that the arietta has any relation to jazz or swing or "boogie woogie" or ragtime or whatever the fuck jigaboo bullshit people are trying to associate beethoven with now. >>123065655actual schizophrenia courtesy of the obsessed schizophrenic ESL
>>123065625Thank you
Bach to the beginning at the start where it all began BMW 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fNaMOtVUc4&ab_channel=BachCompleteI don't really care for choir music
>>123065655Bruckner is the superior gooning music desu
>>123065668Thank you sister janny
>>123065710thank you mentally ill ESL
now playing (String Sextet no. 2)start of Brahms - String Sextet No. 2 in G Major, Op. 36:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_yCHWG34F8&list=OLAK5uy_k6DH3crcyUpM9iXdk6Qr340W8AIk2frUk&index=36https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k6DH3crcyUpM9iXdk6Qr340W8AIk2frUk
>>123065723You're very welcome trannysjanny
>>123065759thank you obsessed mentally ill ESL
>>123065763Thank you Mahler gooning tranny janny
Which choral work should I listen to today, /classical/? I was thinking maybe some of Mozart's lesser known Masses (ie not Great Mass or Coronation), or Dvorak's Mass/Requiem, or maybe a new recording of Handel's Messiah? Ah, so many great ones, so little time!
>>123065824thank you obsessed mentally ill ESL
>>123065878Try Martinu's field mass:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6iOp5tsiQ
>>123065914Vid not available :/
>>123065928ack!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6iOp5tsiQAThis will work
>>123065885Do trannyjanny's really?
>>123066132not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>123066174The tranny janny is broken again
>>123065939Man, if only that was written for/performed with women's vocals! Still great though, thanks for sharing, I've been meaning to listen to more choral music from the 20th century as I've loved most of what I have heard.
>>123066184thank you obsessed mentally ill ESL
Starting listening to Levine's Schumann last night and wow! Might be my new favorite, these recordings unlocked them for me in an entirely new way. Gotta listen to more of his recordings for sure.
>>123066287have they also unlocked an interest in underage boys for you?
>>123066314You can't tell me this ain't as good as it gets!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn0DIlFp2Js&list=OLAK5uy_njCsUZQxUk6wA5PiLpf03Gb5ePqyz3XN0&index=5
>researching monteux's beethoven recordings on discogs to figure out when and with which orchestras he did them with>find out he had a son who was a flautist and conductor (died 2013) and a grandson who is still alive>i wonder what his grandson is doing today>find thishttps://www.kirkmonteux.com/what a fucking travesty, imagine being the grandson of one of the greatest conductors of the 20th century and making this fucking new age easy listening slop. >>123066346i'm not really super familiar with the schumann symphonies to begin with, but i don't think i've ever heard a levine recording i've liked.
>>123066598>>i wonder what his grandson is wearing todayFTFY sisterposter
>>123066620not really, i don't count on fat frenchmen to have good taste in menswear.
>>123066287It's crazy that they got three identical conductors for that
whats this thread's opinion on tantacrul?
>>123066652Not as crazy as that time Heifetz cloned himself to play the Bach Double VC because no one else was good enough
>>123066684insufferable eceleb, bad content creator, worse composer. he should keep making more dramatube content so kiwifarms has a reason to alog him.
>>123066684He's correct about the cancer of commercialism insofar as its negative effect on music is concerned, but Adorno said it better 50 years prior
La Valse Yuja Wanghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Tdtbo_6yY&ab_channel=MrOsomatsu
Puccinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MIstXrFcDQ
Yuja Wang playing Rachmaninov: Piano Sonata No.2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_kKFE2ibo&ab_channel=dondokodokodonShe actually looks like she's topless
>>123059024it's not just intonation or 1/4 meantone, it sounds fine. 12TET is way more out of tune anyways.
>>123065164>Do you only listen to classical music?No, i also listen to kpop.>Is it your favorite genreyes
Do you ever get the weird feeling the whole world revolves around you somewhow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-EHT3N5sOI&list=PLkAUJkbhd-RhjrQljt-E3PU-2N9qEnLwB&index=5&ab_channel=PhilipGlass-Topic
>>123068212>No, i also listen to kpop.You're kidding right?
>>123068255i’m sure you would, you’re stupid enough to listen to glass after all
>>123068267
>>123068364Michael Jackson
>>123065164>Do you only listen to classical music?No, I also listen to a lot of rock and metal. >Is it your favorite genreYeah lol>>123067930I prefer Alice Sara Ott
>>123069295we need to kill every exec at deutsche grammophon, the piss label must go
why does 99% of mozart's work sound like what would be playing inside the head of a little kid prancing around in a grass field, and the 1% that isn't like that is the most profound and beautiful music you'll ever hear in your life?Can you post examples of the 1%?
>>12306939099%:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ5Jw6KNP3M1%:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Iz-ah9ka3c
>>123069505The 1% was used in Frasier :D
>>123066692HAHthanks anongonna check this recording out
Finally like Brahms 1 :)
>>123065754whats with the anime picture?you fucking moron
>>123065164noi also listen to les rallizes denudes and nick drake and john coltrane and julian lage and stuff
>>123070376?It's obviously a picture of the person who made the image, can't you read?
Exploring Levine's Mozart now, the symphonies after this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_opQ_v_Shzk&list=OLAK5uy_kXvXObjG1XrwEMlSR8sR9zKoHoOIBx_g4&index=1
>>123056250VORSPIEL
Who has the most 'romantic' recordings of Beethoven? Bernstein?
>>123070657Depends on what you mean by romantic.
>>123070693Less sounding like Haydn and Mozart and more like Brahms and Schumann, I suppose, within the confines of conducting interpretation of course.
>>123061786>after reading Schopenhauer he took a break from the ring projectThat's not true, although it's close to what happened. He actually wrote the next two acts of Die Walkure, and Schopenhauer inspired him to musically let loose with the finale of Walkure, and then proceeded with the next two acts of Siegfried, and only quit when he felt the inspiration for Tristan overtaking his interests. People say Schopenhauer broke Wagner's entire worldview, but I think it was rather a much more gradual transition, in which he merged his own philosophy with Schopenhauer's.
>>123070657>bernstein>romanticlol, the word you’re looking for is histrionic
>>123065618>all the images you post are thinly veiled cartoon child pornography more likeWhere is the child and where is the pornography, though? Neither of those are true.youtube.com/watch?v=dxibgZNcGcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpxwHm_a_Po&ab_channel=HenriVieuxtempsPaganini Nel cor più non mi sento for violin
>>123070723It's a difficult question to answer because it's not like there was a consistent school of romantic interpretation insofar as classical era composition was concerned. You had the Mahlers and Mengelbergs who tended to be more free with the score, doing pretty serious changes in regards to tempo and orchestration. But you also had the Nikischs and Weingartners that tended to approach the works with more classical poise. I don't know if I can really say a romantic tradition with Beethoven actually survived into the stereo era, because even conductors like Fricsay who were certainly more steeped in that tradition were considerably more modern than any of the aforementioned conductors.
>>123071699Fair enough, I appreciate the reply, thanks.
>>123071762If you can stomach mono, then certainly give Mengelberg and Weingartner a listen. Maybe they aren't for you, but they're very historically important in giving a portrait of two romantic exponents from opposing interpretative viewpoints. Orchestras play a big role in this as well, part of what makes those early recordings sound more 'romantic' is that the European orchestras were still steeped in that 19th century playing style up until the 40s or so. I don't know if I would call it 'romantic' but Schuricht's cycle with the OSCC is certainly worth hearing if you want to trace tradition, as the OSCC were still playing in their unique way even after the war, until they were eventually disbanded into the Orchestre de Paris. Sans the 9th, it's in mono as well, but it's 50s mono and perfectly listenable.
https://youtu.be/uirCOvlJckQI love this fruit so much.
>>123071896Thanks, added complete cycles from those two (Concertgebouw for Mengelberg, a mix for Weingartner). Schuricht's I've been listening to here and there recently too.
>>123071599certified child pornographer moment>>123071979absolutely rancid>>123072070weingartner's cycle is absolutely essential listening. i don't know about mengelberg because no one else conducted like mengelberg and he essentially became a caricature of mahlerian conducting by the time he was being recorded.
>>123072224What'd wrong with MTT? I've always had a soft spot for him because he conducted my first live performance of the 9th.
I love maho sisters
>>123072294a better question would be what’s right with MTT? when has that faggot ever done anything that wasn’t just a second pressing of bernstein? even his gay sex is just a knockoff of bernstein’s extramarital affairs.
>>123072294I like most of the MTT recordings I've heard. I should check out his Beethoven at some point.
>>123072224>and he essentially became a caricature of mahlerian conducting by the time he was being recorded.His Beethoven is variable but really not that more extreme than what Mahler already did in his arrangements.
>>123072591i’m talking much more about the actual interpretation than i am reorchestrating (which anyone does, so it’s not like it really matters)
>>123072614Mahler does more than just reorchestration iirc. Some added notes here and there.Mengelberg really only goes full Mengelberg in the 9th anyhow, the rest of the symphonies don't throw any major surprises and he even has studio variants which are even more subdued. He was a completely different conductor live vs studio desu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6FsNf_vl0This might be my favorite variations that Brahms ever did.
>>123066692Any other recordings that use studio trickery like that?
>>123059881>>123059927>This isnt classical, gay ass comment section as well.omg lol>im getting married soon.. my husband to be wants to play, "the girl who fell from the sky" in our ceremony because this movie was the when we shared our first kiss. <3>Update: >We did ^w^ <3 <3
>>123072696mahler’s reorchestration doesn’t add any new composition. it was controversial because of its use of modern instruments and mahler’s own interpretation of the 9th.
>>123068255this is such a scam lol you don't have to be a genius to make music like this
>>123069505this is just major vs minor keymodern pop music is oversaturated with pretentious edgelord shit in minor
https://vocaroo.com/1cwNhjvZLCqw
Mozart is underrated
>>123073286put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
We shall never rightly estimate the rank of great art-geniuses if we lose sight of the fact that the first foundation or groundwork of all artistic practice is nothing but a handicraft, which thousands may learn, attain dexterity in, and even mastership—precisely as with a trade—yet without approaching any essential affinity to the art-genius proper, nay, without so much as coming within earshot of genuine, ideal Art. This is quite peculiarly the case with the musician: to-day a nuisance, to-morrow by desire, he steps into the circle of the burgher's occupation or the burgher's pleasure, here welcomed, there kicked out; a loiterer, without soul for spiritual culture, with very feeble reasoning power (Vernunft), a scanty gift of understanding, ay! amazing little phantasy, he leads a sort of semi-human existence which perceptibly shades off into the so pronouncedly musical nature-life of the Gipsies (Zigeuner) and loses itself hard on the borders of the human animal. That the demigod should have seized this semi-man, with him to call to life that most suprahuman of all the arts, divine Music, the world's second revelation, the unspeakable sounding mystery of Being,—strictly speaking, this has just as much and just as little to do with the intrinsic nature of that musician, as the great tragic poet with the comedian, upon whose pre-existence he nevertheless had based the genesis of his work.
nigga what
https://youtu.be/pB4u4RoEWHI?feature=sharedAny more open and resonant sounding renaissance pieces like this?
Pieces about suicide/death?
>>123074782https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QccUkIhrrO8
>>123074782https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVTXPUF4Oz4
>>123074782Tristan und Isolde
>>123075393https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW4jqGL3BAk&t=857
>>123075421???
Glad I listened to this Levine / VPO Brahms cycle. The 4th is good, 3rd is great, 1st is stellar, and 2nd is near perfect. The only blemish is the Alto Rhapsody, it sounds exactly as you'd expect from an opera guru like Levine, and I prefer it more on the choral side (eg Shaw, Blomstedt, Wit, Abbado). Shame about no Haydn Variations tho, gotta try his Requiem at some point.
>>123073678Schopenhauer is a hard read if you only know English. The constant spam of 'nay' when the sentence ends and the jumbled positioning of adjectives.>>123073736It is saying that Genius ≠ Talent. The talented bows down to the Art form whereas the Genius modifies it to his whims.
>>123056250Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epnKO1NEzto>“I have composed a Greek chorus,” R exclaims to me in the morning, “but a chorus which will be sung, so to speak, by the orchestra; after Siegfried’s death, while the scene is being changed, the Siegmund theme will be played, as if the chorus were saying: ‘This was his father’; then the sword motive; and finally his own theme; then the curtain goes up, Gutrune enters, thinking she has heard his horn. How could words ever make the impression that these solemn themes, in their new form, will evoke? Music always expresses the direct present.”>Some days ago, R. told me that perhaps the finest thing in this act would be the orchestral Prelude following Siegfried’s death; when his theme had finally died away, Gutrune would come out, thinking she had heard his horn.
WagnerGODS
>>123077311>but a chorus which will be sung, so to speak, by the orchestra; after Siegfried’s death, while the scene is being changed,Spoilers, man!
Whats with all the faggy recent stagings of Wagner's Operas? There's one where the opening takes place in some fucking dingy motel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0lqyPQfP2oanyone got a good link to one where its traditionally held?
>>123077443>anon discovers regietheatre
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p11dcGE6MJ4
>>123077443You're about 4 decades late bro
>>123077486yeah I remember trying to find a good production of Tristian and Parsifal and all the ones i could find on youtube were all these dingy modern productions. >>123077519I know feels fucking bad man
>>123077373[spoiler]All the characters die at the end.[/spoiler]
>>123074957So far I like this
>>123077878my condolences
Now listening to Nikolai Kapustin's 8 concert etudes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrpjWM8JT7k
So are movements considered separate pieces?
>>123077933Most impressive
>>123077988Yeah once you get away from the fête'd modernists and post modernist the later half of the 20th century actually has some really fucking good music.
>>123077878Shostakovich's quartets are all pretty great
>>123078535if you're mentally disabled, yeah
>>123078557Do you like any classical music at all?
>>123078572i like classical music, not neurotic slave hysterics
>>123078602Like what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb1f-HF7uxQ
>>123078627neurotic slave hysterics? like shostakovich, obviously.
>>123078602>>123078772Neurotic Classical music reigns supreme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikJKSqnTylI
>>123079029>slaveslop>supreme at anything other than getting enslavedLMFAO
>>123077878NTA the anon who posted it but it's also the first piece that came to mind to suggest as well, and seconding the brilliance that is the entirety of Shostakovich's string quartets.
>>123078772See this is what I mean- nothing but snide remarks
>>123079175shostakovich’s music is nothing but snide remarks in musical form, why should it receive any other form of criticism?
>>123079234Childish anon
>>123079237only as childish as schlockstakovich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-kBhpqUsUE
>>123079258Why do I even bother snide sister?
>>123079541snide like slavetackybitch’s music? i couldn’t agree more.
>>123079590These are just all stock responses interchangeable with any composer/conductor/whatever else you choose to take issue with. You probably haven't even heard much Shostakovich or listened to the posted piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH7x6Tv_5VM
>>123079652i’ve listened to most of the symphonies, all of the string quartets, all the preludes and fugues, and probably more shit i’m repressing out of sheer distaste. shostakovich is just a bad, tasteless composer, but i wouldn’t expect someone who bats for barenboim to understand.
Speaking of Slave Composer's:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4S81BNlLrc
>>123079785>but i wouldn’t expect someone who bats for barenboim to understand.Completely pulled out of thin air nonsense
>>123080000i recognize you, insufferable queer. but don’t worry, i’ll play along to save you the humiliation.
>>123079785So you listened to 15 quartets, nearly 15 symphonies and the 24 preludes and fugues something like 15 straight hours of music from someone you hate?
>>123080073i don't think you do actually
>>123080105yes, i listened to music from a composer i was unfamiliar with and concluded that i dislike it. why is this so preposterous?>>123080115trust me, i do.
>>123080277Lol dumbass
>>123080389would you prefer i listen just to his first and make conclusions on the rest of his oeuvre from it like a certain mehler poster?
Serenade for guitar and mandolin Paganinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VaItAQKOKY
>>123077933Shallow and pedantic
>>123056250Not going to the Festspiele this year.Fuck modern Bayreuth.
>>123080438An excellent question glib poster
>>123078572I don't really see him express any joy for anything outside of Beethoven, Brahms, and Mozart.
>>123080754laughably pathetic, obsessed schizophrenic
Who had the best etudes-Debussy?
>>123080776The three Bs
>>123080690you forgot this
Kempff playing the organhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wldlh2w4x0A
>>123079937Catchy.
>>123082082https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39BBJFE4K-0Yeah he is probably my favorite composer from the back half of the 20th century
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo1lWUI9ZeE
>>123082874You're just going through this guy's entire output, huh
>>123080804>Debussy?Possibly. IMO, it's one of the pillars of 20th century keyboard music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9xg97Y2Xc
So if I understand correctly, Jochum has three different recordings of Bach's Mass in B minor? Which is the best one? Listening to pic rn
>>123083222i wasn’t aware of any recording other than his philips one honestly
>>123083240It seems the EMI one is slightly higher regarded, but yeah the Philips one is the one I've always listened to.
does anyone here have a diagram for Sonata form?
>>123083626https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=sonata+form+diagram&l=1
Yuja Wang gave me P.I.E.D.
What will the next thread be? Will be it Shotakovich? Will it be Iannis Xenakis? Something gay like Mahler? Who can say, it's all so exciting.
>>123083899>wanking to wangmany such cases.
>>123083926I'll make one about Shostakovich. Hopefully the janny won't delete it.
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Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf1pS6syYM4
>>123079694I love TwoSet but Chloe's playing isn't that good compared to Hilary Hahn or Ray Chen imo. Neat ability but I just think other people sound better.She is cute though, would rather watch her play.
