Viola editionhttps://youtu.be/kyhWWyDHIfM>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>123084024
Rachmaninoff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soTwxC_JHoc
now playingstart of Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op. 43 - "Le Poème Divin":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq1S28xZ3_I&list=OLAK5uy_lbkLgWJEe0zN_Zt7udbBO59v0RTgv83EU&index=2Second Movement of Symphony No. 3:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChdusH-YNXM&list=OLAK5uy_lbkLgWJEe0zN_Zt7udbBO59v0RTgv83EU&index=3Symphony No. 4 Opus 54 "Le Poeme De L'Extase":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce9LAbu35os&list=OLAK5uy_lbkLgWJEe0zN_Zt7udbBO59v0RTgv83EU&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lbkLgWJEe0zN_Zt7udbBO59v0RTgv83EU
Round of the Princess Stravinsky Tomitahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HBb7-He4o5E&pp=ygUjc3RyYXZpbnNreSBmaXJlYmlyZCBwcmluY2VzcyB0b21pdGE%3D
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXnsA0TadNM
>>123107131put your trip back on, pedophile kraut>>123107238you are talking about classical music as interpreted by a tourist, something we sorely need less of. go back. >>123107470>>123107490plain rancid stuff
>I have the greatest admiration and respect for those few, rare souls who are somehow able to free themselves intellectually, but more especially emotionally, from their surrounding, invasive, and demanding culture. I may even say that it actually excites me almost beyond words to meet and converse with such people. Alas, though, this experience has been mine only too seldom in my lifetime. Many of those few I have actually met who would aspire to this high title of 'genius' or 'non-conformist' have, upon, closer inspection, proven only to have been fraudulent deceits, thus earning only my distasteful scorn.>For those people who are still the mental slaves of their cultures, but who (as in many of the young) still show some youthful strength, idealism, and hope of liberation, I find myself frequently feeling a mixture of pity and an urgent yearning hope that they might succeed in breaking and destroying their mental shackles.the average /classical/ schizoposter
Ugh and there he is. He's even carrying over beefs from the old country to this thread now
ugh and there he is. he’s posting even more thinly veiled cartoon child porn now.
>>123108105>>123108367Hmm? Not sure what this has to do with /classical/ perhaps try /b/ instead?
>>123108397thank you schizo sister
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-rBwOn6kFc
>>123108417not /classical/ try /b/ instead
>>123108503many thanks, schizo sister
Now playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XQhHvVDnzw&list=OLAK5uy_mQVJgQ2zIQ_uooV5LQdmP3Ki5vEBTMqPk&index=1
>>123108511not /classical/ childish poster no more
>>123108550thanks, pedophile kraut
So who was it who really ruined music or began the ruination?
>>123108642The culture industry ruined music.
>>123108642Beethoven copycats began the ruination. Recorded music advanced it and modern means of communication creating a culture where people only expect music to be immediatly gratifying and last for about 2-4 minutes like a drug high killed it.I blame not the radio, but the people.
Program Music>Absolute Music
>>123109186thank you rockist tourist
>>123109191No, thank you sisterkovich
I'm doing some restorations on some old Mengelberg recordings since discussing him the other day made me want to revisit his discography. Been awhile since I've listened to his Schubert, Beethoven, and Brahms. And, man, it really makes me feel for the audio engineers back then. Recording these things live - having to do instantaneous side breaks every 4 minutes. You better not fucking miss. Unfortunately the lacquer transfers for these seem to be somewhat lazy, the restoration engineer didn't bother to join the side breaks properly, so I gotta do it for them...An interesting video on how recordings were actually made in the shellac era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beMV5wcf0jsImagine doing this shit for a 2-3 hour long opera.
now playingstart of Manfred Symphony in B Minor, Op. 58, TH 28:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcUSbvTYGA&list=OLAK5uy_l6noY_K_Bx_C-m1suPVojvIyrVBIu-krw&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l6noY_K_Bx_C-m1suPVojvIyrVBIu-krwWho's the best musician+conductor? Rostropo, AshkeNAZI, BarenBOOM, Pletnev, or someone else?
Now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrooibKcNtk
>>123109323more incel music than tranny music, frankly>>123109355none of the above, thank you very much
>>123109377I did forget about Chung (he plays the violin too, ye? or am I mixing him up with someone else), who else then?
>>123109377Thank you for clarifying Jannis Trannakis
>>123109355>Who's the best musician+conductor?Most famous conductors were once pianists or played some sort of instrument, so that number is probably higher than you think. Solti, for example, was considered an up-and-coming piano virtuoso before he took up the baton.
>>123109345How does your restoration process work? What exactly are you doing and what is the result?>>123109406Fair. I guess I meant those with acclaimed recordings on both sides of the pulpit.
>>123109385not that i know of, though frankly chung shouldn’t be in the running either. >>123109395put your trip back on, pedo kraut
It's funny, the first time I came across recordings with Rostropovich and Ashkenazy as conductors, I thought they were essentially novelty recordings, ie 'hey look we let the cellist/pianist try some conducting! buy this live recording of a unique performance!' so I avoided them for a while until I saw they had multiple and were doing it seriously and well, lol.
>>123109484ashkenazy did anything well? a surprise really
>>123109451You're confused and delusional Janacek
>>123109499you’re a pedophile and not fooling anyone, chomo germ
Is he allowed to do that?
>>123109429It varies from recording to recording, but mostly just cleaning up non-music anomalies. Noise. Be them clicks, pops, thumps, or crackles. Though I don't clean up disc / tape noise since I don't mind it, and things tend to sound empty when denoised. Sometimes the pitch needs stabilizing too, or some EQ needs to be applied. For these Mengelberg recordings, I'm applying a moderate amount of EQ and removing the clicks, pops, thumps, and crackles, as well as removing the seams in the side breaks to make them less distracting. Honestly, the quality of these recordings is quite stellar for 1940, especially considering they're live.before:https://litter.catbox.moe/58rt5c.mp3after:https://litter.catbox.moe/ru63gt.mp3I try not to go overboard. Some people denoise the shit out of the tape/disc noise, add fake stereo, or really go crazy with the equalization to make it sound closer to a modern recording, but it's just lipstick on a pig in my opinion.
Film and video game soundtracks can be considered Classical right?
>>123109667Neat, sounds great.
I feel kinda sad Shostakovich's symphonies no longer sound good to me, I don't know what happened, I used to really enjoy them but now they just don't sound appealing and cause me to feel anxious if anything.
>>123109680not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead>>123109863congrats, you acquired taste
>>123109927I'll take that as a yes
>>123109963not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>123109680yes but it depends on the soundtrack's content. for example, the incidental music from Star Trek - The Voyage Home primarily sticks to the use of Romantic and Baroque techniques.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlcCpo5z6w
>>123110059not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead, ban evading pedophile
>>123110084Why not?
>>123110102using pastiches of romantic or baroque composition does not make something classical music.
>>123110102just ignore him. He is a misanthropic janny who thinks he owns this place.
Laideronnette, impératrice des pagodes from Ma mère l'Oye Ravel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MSZKjaSOrwand the Tomita version:https://youtu.be/jrooibKcNtk?t=2421
>>123110123thank you schizophrenic pedophile kraut
>>123110111so according to you if the incidental music from Parsifal were instead a film soundtrack from the 1980s you would not classify it as classical music.
>>123110159>but if hypothetical that is fundamentally impossiblenot interested in entertaining schizophrenic bullshit, pedophile.
>>123110172I concede your defeat.
>>123110183the retarded groomer germ uses words he doesn’t understand, much like he yaps endlessly about music he has no comprehension of.
>>123110172That's cause he's got you there tranny janny and you don't wish to admit it
I don't really care for Sibelius' symphonies but man do I love his violin concerto! I should really give his symphonies another try tho
>>123110206he really doesn’t. there is no universe where parsifal could have been written as a film score because the intent and distribution of film scores has no relation whatsoever to the compositional genesis and intent of parsifal. it’s like arguing that kind of blue would be classical if beethoven wrote it; complete and utter drivel.
>Wiene Philharmoniker -_-
Large Penis plays Philip Glass Etude no 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJkeKmtLnDY
>>123110249I guess it kinda makes sense because there's no 'r' at the end of Vienna, lol
>>123110240Classical music is defined according to materials, forms and techniques, not time periods or locations.
>>123110342surprise surprise, the illiterate pedophile groomer doesn’t realize i never mentioned a single instance of time period or location
>>123110240>there is no universe where parsifal could have been written as a film score because the intent and distribution of film scores has no relation whatsoever to the compositional genesis and intent of parsifal.there could have easily been an alternate universe in which the incidental music (or something closely resembling it) to Parsifal first appeared as the soundtrack to a 1950s film about king Arthur for example.
>>123110355you did. please read your own posts before submitting them, TJ.
>>123110382wow, the retarded pedophile kraut has no knowledge of wagner’s compositional process and how it relates to the fundamental genesis of his musical conception? what a surprise. also, stop replying to the same post 3 times, you high time preference faggot. >>123110393ctrl + f and screenshot my exact words, you braindead groomer.
Are there any virtuoso viola pieces?
>>123110406you don't even compose music. I have at least posted some Baroque and Romantic pastiches here to prove that I have some practical experience in this field.
>>123110406It's ok to admit you're wrong sisterjanny and move on. No one will think any less of you
>>123110475you should just stick to spamming blank replies the next time you feel like copping out, it’s less embarrassing than trying to peddle around your status as a less-than-amateur composer. >>123110494obsessed childish schizo moment
>>123110424https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9vYNaMpXHk
>>123110424https://youtu.be/gV0jFIg9gnM?si=ni6bbY2vKIQp3ES0
Shostakovich Prelude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi2PmOCQpb8&list=PLwGv0T3Az2lKdMri0D2M7mv1H0DwzxW6F&index=5and fugue in G Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMFOwYl95fw&list=PLwGv0T3Az2lKdMri0D2M7mv1H0DwzxW6F&index=6
>>123109667what software do you use?
Mozart Piano concerto n No 21 in C major, K 467 Pollini Mutihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5PkJBRHjf0
>>123110935thanks for the cropped child porn, pedophile
>>123110942Mozart is just so exciting that's why
>>123110683iZotope RX.
Anyone know of any relatively fast recordings of Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique? I feel like I'd like it much more if it were played a bit faster than how it's usually recorded.
>>123111190Rather mediocre stereo sound, but Boulez's live Symphonie Fantastique is pretty incredible, especially the first movement which is the most exciting on record.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvRpTn8Fx6AHis studio recording is boring by comparison. Paul Paray has a very lean and fast recording. Quite French. Munch has many recordings as well that are very exciting.
>>123111190monteux and munchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO1_ndjBsp0>tfw no complete recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBCf1zwOF24
>>123111229Thanks! And yeah I've listened to the Munch Berlioz set a few times over and love it lol but been on the hunt for another recording of it for variety's sake.>ParayAdded -- damn, 45 minutes! I'll listen to that Boulez one first tho>>123111258Awesome, thanks, added the Monteux one, 48 minutes, nice.
Some Glen Gouldness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7O_3q-ZttQ
>>123111338*rapes you until the heat death of the universe*
>>123111338I like the part where he doesn't speak.
I sincerely can't comprehend how people can listen to anything past early baroque. The music is so vulgar, insincere and repetitive. It's difficult to explain it but there's nothing to it, I simply don't get it.
>>123111368I don't care. modality had to die.
>>123111368Bach and before...
>>123111418Bach is already way too late.
>>123111474>>123111368this moterfucker doesn't like Bach lmaaaao
>>123111474Based
Ah yeah these faster Symphonie fantastiques are hitting the spot, dumping these MTT, Abbado, and Karajan recordings in the trash, which funny enough are all each ~56 minutes. It's an interesting feeling listening to something and having the sensation of knowing you should be enjoying it, and kinda do, but get bored by the 20 minute mark and turn it off.
>>123111481Why would you enjoy listening to Bach? Your way of writing shows that there's nothing beautiful in it. It's just some spectacle.
>>123111510>>123111343
>>123111567Thank you frustrated homosexual predator
polyphony and tritones are degenerate. we must go back to modal chants.
Anyone claiming to be able to tell any two Bach cantatas apart is LYINGstill love them doe
>>123111580>>123111582please stop posting and embarassing yourselves
>>123111229Never knew Boulez could be this exciting. The transition in the first movement from the dreamy sleep to the delirious and unbuckled mayhem is really well done
any thoughts on Jesús López Cobos? Been listening to some of his recordings lately. Kinda hit-or-miss so far but the hits have been quite high
>>123111849if you wanna try from what i'm listening to now:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8_S4pnh6J8&list=OLAK5uy_nhv8gUO0RYEuaMcQ_MwUzC-P-aVh3_7nY&index=1I plan to try his other Bruckner too. His Mahler 3 is fantastic as well.
sister is such a squidward kek
>>123111893O_o
>>123111903you know what i meanconstipated
>>123108642It was never ruined.The truth that conservatives fastidiously avoid - music has always been a demonic art
>>123111893>>123111931thank you plankton
What are some notable composers not from Europe (Russia is Europe before you start spamming Rach)
>>123112243Sculthorpehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7NtfC-7EKU
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE0SwMrm6N8
partitas > wtc >>>> goldshekelberg variations
>>123112284Handel >>> Bach
I actually quite like this. I'm sure to some this type of approach is milquetoast, boring, dull, soporific, but to me, I like my Bruckner on the soft and lyrical side. I have accepted that what I don't like is most recordings of his works come off as too abrasive and severe for my taste, too aggressive, which I'm sure appeals to many here. idk that's just me
>>123112296>>123111875meant to quote
>>123112243Russia is not part of Europe, especially after 1917.total slavshit death.
I hate Slavs. Operation Barbarossa did nothing wrong.
>>123112296>I have accepted that what I don't like is most recordings of his works come off as too abrasive and severe for my taste, too aggressiveFunny because I consider the vast majority of Bruckner recordings to be too soft and slow.
>>123112243Manuel Poncehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_pVaBShCio&list=OLAK5uy_kNZUSUentqoXZ-09wCPMFh2herdPZV5GYManuel de Fallahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTuy_r9LHiUHeitor Villa-Loboshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Cmf_H7v0k&list=PLXYxJ8JsfVNq3oWIIZFDFjIo5VRTWNfvSMargaret Brouwerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf3Bkm2vLzg&list=OLAK5uy_mcWQ_daug2OvpIkNa8MEg58ZZlXwU9Q7I
>>123112344lmaoignore Manuel de Falla, he's spanish
>>123112296you are the reason why non-conductors like thielemann, rattle and nelsons exist. fuck you.
>>123112336Well, the Cobos one I linked is soft and fast, that's the ideal for me, I don't like slow generally, especially not for Bruckner.>>123112451whaaat
>>123112484soft, boring conducting that ignores every dynamic marking with more than one of the same letter. absolutely reprehensible.
>>123112311>Russia is not part of Europe, especially after 1917.Do tranny jannies seriously?
>>123112284Bach himself said Shostakovich's preludes and fugues were superior to his
>>123112537swing and a miss, tranime pedophile
>>123112562kek
Do y'all ever read while listening to classical? You DO read good literature, right anon?>>123112243MAHO SEXOOOOOOOO!!
do anime avatarfags actually expect us to reply to them or what
>>123112912just remember that avatarfaggotry breaks global rule 13
>>123111368>vulgarFine. You win.>insincere Fine. You are right.>repetitiveUhhhhhhhhhhhhhm, Ackshually chud... repetition is what Baroque was renowned for. It was Baroque chuds that were trying to experiment with fugues. Do I even need to mention Haydn? I hope not. Look... as much as you try to escape the allure of Wagner, you just can't. You cannot escape Wagner. Once he has raped your mind, its over. It is "game" over. The job is done, drop the cope. Just accept it.Wagner. Nothing else matters.
>>123112973have you ever wondered what wagner’s asshole looked like
>>123112910>AI slop>footfaggotry>horrid body proportions>tits on a character who's lack of a chest is constantly joked about>lewding maho at all>doesnt even post musicYour post disgusts mehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=CUIyOQYZuA4
>>123113179have you ever had sex IRL animegirlposter?
>>123113538Irrelevant info
>>123112243I don't believe there are any. Why'd you bother when you have so many great European composers anywayAnd of course Rach and Russians are European, that's almost like suggesting Scandinavians aren't European...>>123112311Rare sistershitter capitalizing letters post
>>123114109Russians might be in the continent of Europe, but they are not Western/Faustian.
>>123114607>FaustianOpinion discarded, not even reading picrel lol. Go troll >>>/pol/.
>>123114621Faustian is an appropriate term and Spengler used it to refer to Germanic/Nordic high culture in general. some of its features include cathedrals/skyscrapers, polyphonic music, and cartesian planes.
>>123114607>>123114728Nobody cares, either answer the question or post music you double nigger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w11m9VkdtQ0
>>123114749what is your religion?
>>123114749Do not engage with the imbecile
>>123114761Post. Music
>>123114793you just don't want to admit that Spengler was right.
>>123114818after you answer my question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxCTUr_6S9M
Bach, Haydn, Mozart and a thousand obscure musicians of the 18th Century could rapidly turn out the most finished work as a matter of routine, but Wagner knew full well that he could only reach the heights by concentrating all his energy upon "getting the last ounce" out of the best moments of his artistic endowment.Between Wagner and Manet there is a deep relationship, which is not, indeed, obvious to everyone but which Baudelaire with his unerring flair for the decadent detected at once. For the Impressionists, the end and the culmination of art was the conjuring up of a world in space out of strokes and patches of colour, and this was just what Wagner achieved with three bars. A whole world of soul could crowd into these three bars. Colors of starry midnight, of sweeping clouds, of autumn, of the day dawning in fear and sorrow, sudden glimpses of sunlit distances, world-fear, impending doom, despair and its fierce effort, hopeless hope — all these impressions which no composer before him had thought it possible to catch, he could paint with entire distinctness in the few tones of a motive. Whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh5wjeQ-W90
>>123115044thank you wagnersister
>>123114828>no pls reply to my off topic bait
>>123112243Copland was pretty good.
>>123115561I'm not jewish, that was really the only reason you asked?
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDEvFTRFB8k
Wagner said the form in Mozart's concertos was clumsy.
>>123115590Mozart also had deadlines to meet. give him a break.
>>123115590>Wagner>good at formPot calling the kettle black
>>123115635But Wagner wasn't writing in traditional forms at all so you can't call him clumsy.
>>123115635Wagner actually had a very good sense of form however he did take longer to develop as a composer.
>>123113538you can’t fuck kids so he’s not interested in real sex>>123114607>>123114728>>123114761>>123114819>>123114828>>123115561put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>123115721time to dilate, TJ.
>>123115771stop ban evading and put your faggy tripcode back on, pedophile kraut
>>123113623all I needed to know
>>123115864I just find it weird that you think im a virgin for hating sexualization of pure things, yet also believe me to be a raging pedophile porn addict. Like, pick one.Either way, none of this is /classical/ or even /mu/ related. So let me post more Hummel transcriptionshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=TR2337-7w_c
>>123115044Wagner is a solid 7/10 composer
>>123116379Well, listening to the 10/10s 24/7 would get boring anyhow
>>123116326you’re obviously a virgin because you can’t live out your sexual desires (sex with children) in real life, duh.
Alkan is a better slopper than Chopin and Liszt.
>>123113538I'm not a virginLots of people who like anime/hentai are not virgins
>>123117053>notorious enough of a shitposter to have my own imposterYou can tell it's not me because i don't post AI sloppa
look, the tranime avatarfag schizo is losing his mind. point and laugh fellas
>>123117264Whatever you say, man.
mentally ill virgin avatarfag
>>123112910Is 4chan fine literature?
>>123112910I do casual reading while listening to music, stuff like the news or 4chan/reddit, etc. Serious reading should be done in silence or background music, you can't properly do both.
>>123112243Philip Glass and Steve Reich
>>123115044Why did you link to that? It sounds terrible
>>123115575Did he know that Spengler was Jewish?
This is real music:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrhMLs9pHD0
>>123115590The sisterposter said that Beethoven was “wildly overrated”
>>123118302Thank you incorrect schizosister
Sukhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqLinVTAZpw&list=OLAK5uy_nXmzze8EGXn5mirlQ1VovocCT5ieYRjqU
>>123118381I thought this was going to be a Dong Suk fantasy
Like Richard Strauss and many another young composer of the era, Schoenberg found in Wagner a medium appropriate to his own Lebensgefühl. Always a musician of ideas, Schoenberg was inspired to his first three major works by literary texts on the favored fin-de-siècle themes of erotic affirmation and the dissolution of boundaries. The three tonal poems in praise of love asserted against the conventions of society, Verklärte Nacht (1899), Gurrelieder (1901), and Pelléas und Mélisande (1903), are truly pan-erotic period pieces. Their poets—Richard Dehmel, Jens Peter Jacobsen, and Maurice Maeterlinck, respectively—dwelt in that ambiguous neo-romantic realm where symbolism was born out of disintegrating naturalism. As these poets generally proceeded to their new communications out of the formal poetic structures of tradition, so Schoenberg, in adapting their new ideas to music, approached his task from a formal, structural base provided by his revered Brahms. But it was from his second hero, Wagner, that he found the musical means to erase boundaries in a densely textured web of ever-transforming motifs; boundaries between man and nature, psyche and environment, ethics and instinct, above all between man and woman. In their surges of liquid sound and rhythmic flux Schoenberg’s early works have the true fin-de-siècle ring, conveying the same sense of cosmic amorphousness one finds in Klimt’s “Philosophy” or in Schnitzler’s drifters borne along by nameless instinctual pressures.
Yet even as Schoenberg created a rootless world by the use of modulation-in-permanence and the expansion of chromatic elements, he did not yet break from key or even from the obligations of sonata form. He showed in Verklärte Nacht that, as he said, the “impassable gulf [between Brahms and Wagner] was no longer a problem.” On the one hand, Schoenberg constructed his sextet as a pair of sonatas that firmly reflected the structure of Dehmel’s text. On the other, he used Wagnerian harmonic devices to weaken the sense of tonal center, such as evading the dominant, which normally provides us with tonal location. Schoenberg thus created within sonata form the ambiguity of direction, sensuous flow, and uncertainty of meaning that sonata form traditionally aimed to dominate.
As he looked back on this Impressionist phase in Europe’s music and his own, Schoenberg stressed what in fact was his own special characteristic in that world of flux: the subjective, responsive element in the continuum between the “I” and the world. “The organ of the Impressionist is a … seismograph which registers the quietest movement,” he wrote in his Theory of Harmony in 1911. Because the Impressionist is tempted to follow up the slightest tremors, he becomes an explorer of the unknown. “He is drawn to the still, the scarcely audible, therefore mysterious. His curiosity is stimulated to taste what has never been tried.” To him who demands, the answer is given. It is “the tendency of the seeker to find the unheard of … in this sense, every great artist is an Impressionist: [his] refined reaction to the faintest impulse reveals to him the unheard of, the new.”32 This exploratory sensibility was not only outward-oriented; it also had subjective implications. “What counts is the capacity to hear oneself, to look deep inside oneself.… Inside, where the man of instinct begins, there, fortunately, all theory breaks down.…”This exploration—at once of his interior world and of a world of fragments not yet heard in a sonic unity—Schoenberg began in The Book of the Hanging Gardens.
>>123118381Nice, thank you, been meaning to check out Suk's music after reading a couple other anons here praise him.
>>123118323Well I don’t agree he’s overrated
>>123118703I meant sisteranon loves Beethoven
>>123118381wtf is going on with naxos japan
>>123118465>>123118483>>123118506Generic late romanticism and generic reflections on art. Who gives a damn!
Oh, I beg you, "Can I follow?"Oh, I ask you "Why not always?"Be the ocean, where I unravelBe my only, be the water where I'm wadingYou're my river running highRun deep. Run wildI, I follow, I follow youWagner, baby, I follow youI, I follow, I follow youMessiah, honey. I follow youHe a messiah; I'm the pilgrimHe's the rebel; I'm the daughter waiting for youYou're my river running highRun deep. Run wildI, I follow, I follow youWagner, baby, I follow youI, I follow, I follow youMessiah, honey. I follow youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EynJFQObnqI
Wagner is light. Wagner is truth. Wagner is good. Wagner is enlightenment. Wagner is the fire. Wagner is the torch. Wagner is law. Wagner is civilization. Wagner is power. Wagner is sophistication. Wagner is order. Wagner is progress. Wagner is the Messiah. Wagner is grace. Wagner is the mystery. Wagner is the puzzle. Wagner is the singularity. Wagner is the riddle. Wagner is the king. Wagner is the lord. Wagner is the deity. Wagner is Romeo. Wagner is Odysseus. Wagner rules Hyperborea. Wagner is the Pharaoh. Wagner is Belisarius. Wagner is Hadrian. Wagner is immortal. Wagner is the messenger. Wagner invented the numeral system. Wagner created zero. Wagner devised the first language. Wagner created multiplication. Wagner is the oracle. Wagner is the river running high. Wagner is the deep sea. Wagner is the dark doom. Wagner is the chosen one. Wagner is the prophet. Wagner is the rebel. Wagner is yin. Wagner is yang. Wagner is equilibrium. Wagner is providence. Wagner is the provider. Wagner is the trough. Wagner is the crest. Wagner is Dionysus.
Wagner. Wang. Hitler.
Hmm, whose Brahms recordings should I listen to today?
Young ladies attending a performance of Parsifal during the early days of Wagnermania
But I wept as I listened to the Fourth Quartet. Now I know for certain that you are the last Classical composer: your cradle was Beethoven's Grosse Fuge, where there is none of that Russian, French, or English folklore, and the barbarism of presenting a symbol instead of a direct experience. . . . Bach, Beethoven, and Schoenberg are the last composers capable of erecting a musical structure that can — must — be regarded as an organic world. . . . All music but theirs is either galvanized, artificially stimulated folkweave . . . or purely abstract geometry with queer sounds and odd effects touting for the listener's custom.OSKAR KOKOSCHKA TO ARNOLD SCHOENBERG 19 AUGUST 1949
Glen Gould playing Schoenberg Op11 extremely wellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgifNj-JY34
It is happening to me bros. I am getting bored of Wagner. Its because I listen to him every single day. You know when you get bored of something and it starts sounding monotonous the more and more you listen to it? Like the effect or magic is just gone. That is what's happening to Wagner. I think I should take a break. I will take a month break before I start his operas again. I don't want to feel the feeling that I hate Wagner :< , if you know what I mean.
Asking this question again: are there any other medium-length orchestral choral works like Brahms' Schicksalsied (and his others)?
>>123120237https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuqTpg_RRMA
>>123120452wtf lol? Brahms-lovers are not that low.
>>123116326not reading that, virgin-kun
>>123120452I don't get it. Why are Wagnerians the most sane and Brahms-lovers the least sane?
>>123120452>>123120662I think he meant insanity
You're right about us Russianlovers, we're always slightly neurotic/insane, we're also sad, romantic and compassionate, just like the lush melodies of Rachmaninoff.
>>123120452Brucknerians and Shitakosvky-sis, where are we???? Also, Villa-Lobos Chads, and Sibeliusjaks, nowhere to be found
npstart of Requiem, Op. 5 "Grande messe des morts":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TIa1D1wjnA&list=OLAK5uy_kG5fRAUaNmQkYpyXpAOUDNx7X7BvzFqzk&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kG5fRAUaNmQkYpyXpAOUDNx7X7BvzFqzk
>>123107326Did somebody say viola? https://youtu.be/ql7GNznrd8w?si=pULDQn9G_p0uWDi3
>>123112291handel's harpischord work is great
>>123120452>hector more sane than the tranime faggots or wagneriansalready wrong
i hope eventually we collectively realize that avant-garde classical made by jews is better than contemporary classical made by germans
>>123121689Give examples of both please.
A different version of Nuages Gris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3oM3mR4D9QThe other one is played better but it has whistling sound on it, like someone whistling through their nose and I always think it's me and have to turn it off to check it isn't, drives me nuts
>>123121866https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbLcI9-Js0Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u68ETRjNQME
>>123121946i'm sorry, the brahms is supposed to be an example of which one now?
>>123121965an example of germanic romanticism, i dislike brahms work due it to being quite derivative
i also enjoy several soviet composers:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmU-s2V-xwA
>>123122025you never mentioned germanic romanticism, you said "avant-garde classical made by jews" or "contemporary classical made by germans" of which brahms is obviously neither.
>>123122025I also dislike Brahms, but >>123122054.
>>123122054contemporary as in popular
>>123121946A shallow and derivative work, unconvincingly performed 3 stars
>>123122166that’s not what contemporary means at all. the words have literally no relation.
>>123122243guess im retarded, or maybe an ESL shitskin
>>123122334i'll wager both since you thought ligeti was somehow a good example of "avant-garde classical made by jews.
>>123122334You probably are, for what's worth though Ligeti is a million times more interesting than Brahms.
>>123122377more interesting than good
>>123122348Yes he's obviously a Romantic composer
>>123122468no, he’s avant-garde classical made by jews. he’s just not good.
>>123122166i lol'd
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cm7fGKAw2A
Yeah OK Bach we get it you can endlessly wank your way through scales using both hands at once-how about writing some actual music?
Yeah OK Chopin we get it you can endlessly wank your way through scales using both hands at once-how about writing some actual music?
>>123122518Coming from you that's a compliment.
Is Maria Callas overrated?I don't know if she was better live, but on recordings, other singers like Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, Renata Tebaldi or Victoria de los Angeles mog her in the same roles.
>>123122948i also consider air, water and food to be vital essentials, so i suppose you should be abstaining from them right about now. >>123122961schwarzkopf is one of the most intolerable singers who ever lived.
>>123122968wrong, that's anna moffo
>>123123033i didn’t say she was the most intolerable, just one of. i don’t care to find out who’s no. 1, though it’s probably someone who’s still performing today.
Stravinsky Canticum Sacrum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mddxu10Nak0
Finally starting the Bernstein Sony Mahler cycle.
>>123123096Also he really has a cigarette in his hand with that tortured artist expression on his face in this cover, huh? Alright.
>>123123096my condolences
>>123123096bro has heard 20+ recordings of mahler's symphonies :skull:
>>123123166You don't think it's worthwhile at all? I'm trying to see if there's any big ones left that I haven't listened to yet. I downloaded Levine's the other day but haven't started it, didn't like the one Gielen one I listened to (the 7th), and I guess there's Sinopoli's.>>123123189I just love them so much. I could've listened to the same one over and over, but might as well change it up if I wanted to listen to it anyway, I didn't force myself for the sake of trying dozens and dozens in itself. Besides, I assume most Mahler fans are in the same boat.
>>123116933Correct.
>>123123216I dunno pal. I've heard five versions of The Planets and I thought it was too much, more than that seems like an overkill.
>>123123216i find levine’s mahler interminably slow and sterile, sinopoli’s unidiomatic, and gielen’s plain sterile and repulsive. i suppose bernstein is better than those 3, but that’s really not saying much. i suppose his sony cycle is less affected and turgid than his DG one, but that’s not saying much.
>>123123272>and gielen’s plain sterile and repulsiveperfect for Mehler then
Schnittke's First:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UNuXcwDCD4
>>123123267I guess my point is I don't see the difference in listening to the same recording 50 times or spreading that out over 30 different ones. And I still listen to plenty of other music throughout the day, don't worry.>>123123272Ah alright, thanks, saved me some time then lol. I been going through Solti's again intermittently too and wow, his 2nd, 6th, and 7th are so much better than I remember now that I can actually appreciate their nuances and vigor.
>>123123314more like Shittke's First
>>123123267that's because the planets isn't even worth owning 1 version of. >>123123310>mahler>sterileevery day mehlertard digs the hole even deeper.
>>123123464got em
>>123123468Thank you snide sister
>>123123267Have you heard Tomita's version?
>>123123505thank you seething concern troll
i love Brahms' Hungarian Dances so muchhttps://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mP3TRLcr9Iu-IBuwsCLuVfChav8i4hOdw
Best Mahler 6?
>>123123757there are unfortunately not very many good recordings of it. sanderling's is a great all rounder, but lacks something in terms of pathos and effective shaping of the piece. i've given up on finding the perfect recording and i unfortunately normally default to bernstein's vienna recording, which has a great sense of the form of the work, but is somewhat hysterical and uses bernstein's bastardized version of the score with 3 hammerblows. there is no winning.
>>123123757To my ears, this one sounds the best:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m50Oo5N8TD9B69_xMSDQlotD4MjSDn4JM
>>123123757>>123123809whoops meant to link the first video for embedding purposes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffrmeirU6bI&list=OLAK5uy_m50Oo5N8TD9B69_xMSDQlotD4MjSDn4JM&index=1
>Also included is the 1st part "Veni creator spiritus" from Mahler's 8th Symphony "Symphony of a Thousand". This was performed live back in 1962 at the grand opening of Lincoln Center (then known as Philharmonic Hall). President and Mrs. Kennedy were in attendance, and LB caused a bit of a scandal when he planted a big, Bernstein kiss on Jackie Kennedy backstage after the show.Oh Lenny...
>>123123824too slow in the slow movement, too stupid everywhere else. >>123123857hypersexual faggot molests married women, more at 11
>>123123884It's even more wild when remembering that a 'big, Bernstein kiss,' per the anecdote you posted the other day, refers to an open-mouth-with-tongue kiss.
>>123123884Thank you snide sister
>>123123922Hey, don't pretend to be me!
>>123123916only the most sexual and vile kisses from the hypersexual faggot>>123123922>>123123931thank you schizophrenic concern trolls
let's get "Romantic"
>>123123988Isn't this the Star Wars theme?
>>123124179;o is it!?*deletes recording*No but really, is it? I could see that.
Now Playing - Schubert: Sonata D. 960, Moments Musicaux D. 780https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvI_vMu-UOc&list=OLAK5uy_mdjndzIxcTJDaDA3ta8pEwk_wjn2xrrj4&index=3
Enoch Powell did a whole documentary about Wagner that's locked up in some archive. I've always been curious about it, given how insightful he was when introducing Gotterdammerung:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUMdhTJ6zfk
Very silly, autistic question so forgive me: if you're listening to a work and then get interrupted midway through and have to pause it, when you return to it later to it start it over from the beginning or just continue on from where you were?
>>123124395when you return to it later do you start it over*
>>123122961Well, she was extremely technically skilled. The thing is that she started to lose her voice in the 50s due to her weight loss. So, a lot of the recordings that were made with her were towards the tail end of her career. She continued to make recording into the 1960s, but even then it wasn't really that great anymore and so far as her technique was concerned.What mostly set Maria Callis apart from other singers is that she had a really great understanding of the text that she was singing. She really got into the characters. She wasn't just singing the notes. She was getting into the text itself. And her diction was pretty perfect for just about every language that she covered too. Back then, the enunciation of the text itself was extremely important to singers. It's not really anymore, which is kind of a shame.
>>123122968Schwarzkopf was good for angry music. I think the Libera Mi from Verdi's Requiem is probably one of the best examples of her singing. She's this like so fucking pissed in that recording and it's perfect. Also good at Wolf.
>>123125004okay but this doesn’t excuse her nightmarish des knaben wunderhorn cycle
>>123124395>get interrupted midwayI don't live near disgusting humans. The Ubermensch prefers the solace of countryside and animals.
virgin incel alert
If I have to mingle with filth, I'd rather not mingle at all. The monk preserves his purity.
>>123125104Not saying it does. You don't need to cosign every recording by an artist if you like one em. You gotta admit the Klemperer Mahler 4 is fucking funny when she comes in. I don't think there's been a more mismatched voice for the part.
>>123125329it is extremely funny, but the des knaben wunderhorn is actually offensive and physically painful to listen to in ways incomparable to any other form of music.
>>123124958I see.So the problem is that most of her recordings don't really capture her technique.
Fauréhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUhxaDDWhVM&list=OLAK5uy_lKi-DfEEPEeu3_ZdKzegPssZvOQ9GQwwk
>>123125422Basically the early 50s stuff and mid 50s stuff and then it's downhill from there. She has some very famous live recordings where she flares her technique, but they're in pretty horrid sound.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pD0MvrZn9I
>>123125314I mingle with my peers or no one, and since I have no peers, I mingle with no one.
>>123125759https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO7RgSMeG3AI don't really like the company of humans. They are too inferior. I enjoy the company of cows and animals, I observe cows playing with each other (especially calves) they are all cute and behave very stupidly. The neighbors around the acre have a sheep pasteur. Most importantly I play piano all night sometimes... which requires a very isolated/soundproofed area.
Name a more based animal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFsTyhMM1yw
Well?
>>123126074I look like this and say this.
>>123124395It's a movie dude
>>123126096?
Love falling asleep to these works
>>123126288If you get halfway through a movie and go to sleep, so you start the whole movie over again?
>>123126358Good comparison. I do if the movie is good.
>>123126331Falling asleep to scriabin always brings out the quoted material it's like flying across history with a kaleidoscope
if Beethoven was born in the 70s he wouldve wrote 2nd wave ska
>>123126496Now that's a good idea. What do you think, the 24 Preludes, Etudes, or what?
>>123126513>r.
>>123126526Sonatas
>>123126358false comparison, movies are mere entertainment and not comparable to art >>123126496thank you scriabincel
>>123126538im not retarded
Barenboim conducting Liszt's Dante Symphony into him playing the Dante Sonata!? Well you can't beat that package.
>>123126560Based retard.
>I remember hearing the Dante Symphony life in the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam and the hall in darkness and the music scores lit up only by candles. So light up some candles in your room put on this CD and enjoy Liszt's storytelling, beautifully orchestrated music.do Liszters really?
>>123126584A thought provoking question snide sister
>>123126561Damn this is greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhqJpoXoSPM&list=OLAK5uy_mCDOs7zdj0oCD5snmO4vnf4CD6cu9FWF0&index=1
>>123126561you can beat it by not involving barenboim at all>>123126647swing and a miss, obsessed concern troll
>>123126561Barenboim is so fucking based
>>123126549So what do you think they did for entertainment before movies?
>>123126561In so far as Dante's great poem was a product of his time, to us it seems almost repulsive; but it was simply through the realism wherewith it painted the superstitious fancies of the Middle Ages, that it roused the notice of the contemporary world. Emancipated from the fancies of that world, and yet attracted by the matchless power of their portrayal, we feel a wellnigh painful wrench at having to overcome it before the lofty spirit of the poet can freely act upon us as a world-judge of the purest ideality,—an effect as to which it is most uncertain that even posterity has always rightly grasped it. Wherefore Dante appears to us a giant condemned by the influences of his time to awe-compelling solitude.I had been busy reading the Divine Comedy, and again had revolved all the difficulties in judging this work which I have mentioned above; to me that tone-poem of Liszt's now appeared the creative act of a redeeming genius, freeing Dante's unspeakably pregnant intention from the inferno of his superstitions by the purifying fire of musical ideality, and setting it in the paradise of sure and blissful feeling. Here the soul of Dante's poem is shewn in purest radiance. Such redeeming service even Michael Angelo could not render to his great poetic master; only after Bach and Beethoven had taught our music to wield the brush and chisel of the mighty Florentine, could Dante's true redemption be achieved.
Mahler > Beethoven>>123117206Maho sexo...
>>123123166>>123123272Obviously tastes differ but I gotta say, I listened to the 1st, 2nd, 6th, and currently the 9th from the Lenny Sony cycle today, and to my ears they're all first-rate recordings.
>>123126945>Mahler > BeethovenYou're a fucking idiot.
>>123126945>Mahler > BeethovenYou're a fucking genius.
>>123113132Wagner sat alot. His ass was probably compressed, leaving stretch marks. They did not have bidets back then so only second guesses for the asshole.
>>123107326bruckner (jochum (dg))https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrkJy47HG3Q
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