previous >>>>123093392
post soundcloud/youtube in the "shill" thread: >>>>123118293

>>123172357
>>123119290

>>123172357
I knew I forgot something

>>123132105

I really didnt get much feedback but i worked pretty hard on it. I actually started it 5 years ago and did everything except chorus vocals, no i did them but im worried the transition between verse and chorus sounds weak
Im mainly interested in knowing does it sound believable? As in, this could be a proper cover of a song

>>123172181
You had Anons do all the work for you here:
>>123167612
>>123167612
And you still had to make a shitty OP in 12 seconds and make half of it about you.

I've genuinely never seen any recurring general on any board be consistently this bad. How are ALL OF YOU too stupid to copypaste?

hard techno face melta

https://vocaroo.com/1bDPymMUNcIj

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Hey! I know shilling isn't encouraged on /prod/ for obvious reasons but since the last time I got such a positive reception when I posted my vocaroos here I wanted to the guys who liked my music know that I released my first single and its the full version of what I posted before.

youtube
https://youtu.be/xKg_pghJo0k?si=m0iZ6J-VwfvHdvIF

spotify
https://open.spotify.com/track/1iw30ShcDtcbl6NJ42PkdH?si=d6040ac9c1db443e

on other platforms too

>>123172545
This is at least not as bad as the one where someone used the OP post to continue a conversation they were having in the previous thread. Some cunts are just using 4chan like a slower discord or twitch chat and it really affects the the quality of everything, because they can't be fucked to learn even the most basic etiquette of the site, they just want to shit their thoughts onto the screen and press enter as fast as possible. Some cunts also just need to an hero, like this guy >>123172881

>>123172181
DOOM you say?
>the penis is the genus of the venus valentinus itravenous micropenis all carefreeness still genius hygenist what you mean this I seen it and what I mean is my penis

>>123172545
>>123172930
If it matters so much to you then why didn't you make the thread?

>>123173519
>If it matters so much
It doesn't. I barely lurk here. I do make the OPs of the generals that I spend time on.
Just because I'm calling out the retardation of an extremely badly done job it doesn't mean that I'm personally invested into it, nor that it should be my responsibility to do anything, but when I do decide to take that responsibility and make the /prod/ OP I always put that tiny bit of extra effort to copypaste a proper one (and I certainly don't put my own links like a complete cunt).

>>123172181
Little breakcore?? thing i made with whatever sounds i found
https://voca.ro/1fn5yjfis9pe
We wuz kangz type of midtempo you'd find in Black Panther OST (made using spire only)
https://voca.ro/1cbZZHVlCOjK

>>123173953
>breakcore??
That's not breakcore

>>123174111
yeah i wasn't sure myself, hence the ??
Anyways would highly appreciate criticism

>>123173953
>https://voca.ro/1fn5yjfis9pe
I honestly have no idea if you are being sincere, but it's just a cacophany of shit once the 'tune' kicks in. Starting to think there's one guy making low effort shit on purpose then assigning them arbitrary genres to try and piss people off.

>>123174479
Not sure what you mean by "tune"
is it the lead sound ? or the pad ?

>>123173953
>>123174130
sounds more like it's trying to be a dnb thing

i don't really have much to say at this stage for you, but i'll throw out that stranjah on youtube is a decent channel to get the very basics of that style down

>>123174568
I mean i did try to make it dnb and failed miserably
It's my first try so i expected all sorts of harsh feedback
Also i will check that channel, thank you

>>123174529
fuck off

>>123174663
Im serious tho

>>123172511
no when the vocals kick in it loses the appeal for me but you would have to ask someone who has a thing for daftpunk to judge it.
>>123172647
no stomp???
>>123173953
kinda like it, but very dissonant so most dont like it, makes them feel bad or something. more like a boss theme than a coherent song however.

>>123169606
bump

for my very first song on spotify i think i'm just gonna do a bog standard deep house selected style song
just got too many genres i want to produce

>>123175044
are you recording that in stereo or what the fuck your mic has to be mono why is everythin on my left ear / speaker i dont know too many questions.

>>123175218
>are you recording that in stereo
idk
>what the fuck your mic has to be mono
no idea
>why is everythin on my left ear
idk

>>123174529
first 24 seconds are just the beat and then the "tune" is all that noise combined. too much going on at once

>>123172881
Hey! Go fuck yourself.
The "guys" you're talking about don't exist, they are anonymous. That's the whole point. There's no one to shill to.

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>post vocaroo but also include comments for other anons tracks
>only responses I get are related to my comments, nothing about my track
Yall really are scared of me or something.

Metacognition anon, can you tell me why you linked the metacognition wiki in response to my post?

something along the lines of this i think
https://voca.ro/1jOuwhsWsHYO

>>123172647
needs subbass, maybe your audio gear can't reproduce the lowest frequencies so you don't know what's missing

>>123172647
kick should be the loudest thing in the track, it's not really punching through like it should, also you have no sub bass

>>123175218
>>123175307
>https://vocaroo.com/1n40wUJZ65HK
I figured out what you meant. re-recorded everything in mono and did some panning. not sure if it sounds good. I'm just learning as I go desu.

I feel like a goddamn retard, I keep repeating the same mistakes and I never learn. Always taking the path of least resistance since I always suck when I'm doing something new and never know what I'm doing. FUCK. How do I fix this? I need to improve at everything, like sampling, sound design, structure and arrangement, composition. When I remake something, I'm always so far off and never fucking learn anything. Or when I remake something, I never know how to get close or replicate that technique since I don't know what the fuck is going on in the track and I can never figure it out by myself so I get stuck for years and years. AAAAAAAAA I CAN'T FUCKING LEARN

>>123176748
What are you currently doing to learn things?

>>123175985
I don't respond to those ever on principle
if you're just giving a "sounds dope bro" for the sole purpose of getting them to listen to your track, and responding to a bunch of people just for the attention to get people to think you're "owed" a response, that really comes off the wrong way.

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>>123176748
Leaving a tantrum blog post here is not the way forward, anon. Please leave if you are going to keep doing this. Thank you.

>>123176845
I go on Youtube looking up sampling and sound design videos, but it just doesn't click. I listen to a song in hopes of trying to recreate it but realize I don't know how to recreate the sample or sounds in the track since they're rarely synth sounds you can design, but moreso audio samples of random sounds and sometimes ambience. It's
not straightforward synth sounds you'd find in EDM.

>>123176966
>I go on Youtube looking up sampling and sound design videos, but it just doesn't click.
Could you elaborate on this please?
Like you can't follow along and get confused when they explain things?

>but moreso audio samples of random sounds and sometimes ambience. It's not straightforward synth sounds you'd find in EDM.
So when you try recreating all-synth music like EDM, do you succeed?

>>123175990
>why you linked the metacognition wiki in response to my post?
because of this >>123176748

If you're *aware* of the mistakes you make and the patterns you fall into, that's a very good sign that you can improve.
It's a very bad sign that you've been repeating yourself in spite of being aware of that though.

>I need to improve at everything, like sampling, sound design, structure and arrangement, composition. When I remake something, I'm always so far off and never fucking learn anything.

Break. It. Down.
Weaponize your autism.

>establish goal (you just did)
>brainstorm ways to achieve these goals
>carry out these ideas and KEEP TRACK of the outcomes of what does and doesn't yield results
>ponder why that is in both failures and successes
>***DISTINGUISH feeling disheartened from a less than desirable result from literally not learning anything***
Seriously just because what you made sounded like shit doesn't mean you didn't pick something up in that failed attempt- don't be an idiot and repeat yourself over and over but don't just not attempt a certain experiment or exercise because you didn't get amazing results the first few trys


>EXPAND on what works and DO NOT REPEAT practices, habits, that don't

I reference this bit all the time about RZA being interviewed about what it was like to work on MBDTF with Kanye (rip) and it helped me to further cement this method/way of thinking.
The tl;dw is that *every single morning* the crew would discuss:
>how the previous days session went; what was and wasn't working
>what they hope to accomplish that day
>what they hoped to do the next day

NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT?
jesus christ the caffeine is hitting me just wrong i'm all dizzy now gotta go eat fuckkkk
got like two minutes of sick bass recordings to work with later though....
tertiary goal of the day is to work on the arrangement of a song i've been working on the past few days.
-start every day with concrete musical goals yeah

>>123177017
I have no issue with the videos, it's when it's time to apply and make the music I want to make, I always fail. Since it's not straightforward melodies and synth sounds, my brain can't compute how to improve. I could tell myself to just remake the melodies and remake the synth sounds and have no problem, but when it's an heavily layered or not synthesis intensive genre, my brain just shuts off. I have no idea how to remake the tracks in the genre I make

When recreating all-synth music, I rarely have any issues.

>>123177112
what genre do you make and why do you feel the need to constantly try and recreate sounds and tracks, why not take the techniques learned in these videos and try and apply them to your own composition?

>>123177133
I want to make noise, industrial, experimental hiphop, electronic and maybe some trip hop. A mix of those genres

>>123176912
I don't. I only ever give constructive feedback about the mix or whatever. Don't worry brother, people are just gay and I am gay for complaining.

https://vocaroo.com/1cifip3ARa04 smol loop

>>123177069
>blah blah blah fucking wall of text to respond to a child's tantrum
what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>123177233
>Don't worry brother, people are just gay and I am gay for complaining.
I will now rate your track. Point to it, froglet.

>>123177191
i want to mix gfunk and blackmetal but i never succeed :(

>>123174960
Thank you
To answer your dissonance thing, I totally understand where you come from, since it's not properly mixed (actually it's not mixed at all lol i have 0 knowledge on mixing)
However it sounds the way it does because i opted for that "atmospheric" kind of dnb
>>123174529
True, I went too much on layering, even the kick is actually 5 different kicks layered

>>123175512
FUCK i meant to reply to >>123177727

>>123177394
>I will now rate your track. Point to it, froglet.
It was in the previous thread (>>>123155130):
https://voca.ro/1jK8bNk5rcje

>>123177069
>metacognition wiki
what's this? can you link it again? sounds useful if it has anything to do with what you're saying. or was it literally just the wikipedia page for metacognition lol

>>123178963
>or was it literally just the wikipedia page for metacognition lol
>>123171807

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is this good? https://voca.ro/1fQeFeauoEcT
esp interested in thoughts on everything after 1:50. Vocals are gibberish placeholder though they follow the same placement and melody that the final vocals will have. Mixing is also a little rough, but if anything really stands out there I'd like to hear about it. anything else stand out? does it keep your attention?

>>123173953
>https://voca.ro/1fn5yjfis9pe
this needs a lot of work, first bit before the drop is just drums and the pattern is too simplistic for them to be on their own like that. Having them full blast like that also reduces the impact of the drop since they just continue playing as is without contrast. As for the drop, I don't think the pads are in tune with the arp sound you're using, and even if they are you have the detune on them set up way too high. I don't really like the melody the arps are playing either. I wouldn't suggest doing a deep dive on music theory but learn a little bit about major and minor scales, and try to analyze the melodies from songs you like (i.e. write them out on your piano roll and think about them in the context of the scale) to gain an intuition on writing your own.

Please please please learn about sidechain compression too. It's just a way of making other sounds duck under your kick (or whatever else, but generally your kick), so that the kick can punch through the mix. It's essential in electronic music and that alone would improve the quality of your songs. Your reverse crash is also too loud.

This is like... pretty bad but it seems like something someone would make if they were just starting out so I won't berate you too much. just try working on those things i mentioned if they seem like they could bring you closer to what you're going for. you can do it :^) post some feedback next time too, you're more likely to receive when you give

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I still find it baffling that you can't just select a few tracks and merge them (or flatten down) in Ableton Live. Apparently I have to use resampling and then record it in real time. What an awful way to handle this.

what keyboards are worth it on a budget? m-audio keystation mini 32 mk3 is only about $15 secondhand in my country but i don't want to waste money or end up with too much clutter. it has velocity but no aftertouch or modwheel. i don't know if the velocity is even good quality but i guess i would make edits to the velocity in ableton anyway. i'm only interested in MIDI/MPE keyboards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sODIUBnjzP0

>>123180088
I think what you are doing could just be a accomplished by grouping the tracks. Just grouping the tracks is way better than aggregating it to a single track, then you still have the option to mix them individually. Has pro tools ruined your brain or are you new to all this?

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>crabcore thru a PS1 aesthetic
https://vocaroo.com/1S5EDLjLolR8

>footwork

https://vocaroo.com/1ddISvoupBas

>>123180524
This is cool. I used to play in a post hardcore band like this when I was 16. The vocals sound like you have the autotune set to extra wacky though.

>>123180704
>sound like you have the autotune set to extra wacky though
why yes, i DO (:

>>123172181

Are we posting Doom tracks weve made?
this is on YouTube not vocaroo

https://youtu.be/wKyWSTzy9TE?si=HwYMqAFY0UV8sTLy

>>123180754
NO SHILLING IN PROD
YOU STUPID CHUD
GO FUCK YOURSELF

>>123180754
Eat shit nazi faggot

>>123181014
>>123181056

SEETHING

>>123179711
very cool. How long did it take you to get to this level?

>>123179711
it could be louder, drums especially could be pushed more. mix is quite rough on the melodic elements to my ears but i don't really listen to this sort of atmospheric dnb/sewerslvt thing so i can't comment. one thing about the mix i really like is how the vocals sit inside the kind of droney pads you have going on and not ontop, that's a nice ethereal effect especially with the width of the entire track.

>>123180704
do you have any demos left over from your band? i wanna hear?

>>123180574
I feel like footwork/juke could be the next edm genre to see a resurgence in popularity similar to what ambient jungle saw a year or two ago.
Actually, I'm not super confident in that, but it is one of the directions that I would like to explore in addition to vocal/melodic trance.

>>123179711
>is this good? https://voca.ro/1fQeFeauoEcT
the music is very good but the drums fucking suck for this style honestly
wtf are you doing dude come on

>>123180524
>https://vocaroo.com/1S5EDLjLolR8
kek based
needs gaudy flanging fx and sc3n3 shit on the vocals

>>123181534
>I feel like footwork/juke could be the next edm genre to see a resurgence
nta but shit i wish bro

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>>123172181
>dooms mac
If anyone wants the recipe, it's pretty good. I made with/without sugar and couldn't tell the difference

>>123181878
>cook cheese and butter for 45 minutes

>>123181937
This guy gets it

>>123181284
Had to pull out the old laptop to get this. We made this in 2010 I think. Good times, but we sucked ass lol.
https://voca.ro/12bIJx1TKKJJ

The singer has been in and out of jail for drug related shit for years now (heroin addiction). Still in hometown.
Bass player went crazy on drugs during college, got a bunch of DUIs, started rapping and a friend told me he had some jars stuffed with bread trying to turn it into booze. Literal 65IQ. Moved back to hometown.
Drummer moved to Nashville and now tours with some really big name country artists around the country.
Rhythm guitar player I still talk to all the time. Married and successful web developer. Moved to Denver.
Lead guitar God, me, still shit posting on 4chan.

>>123181088
> How long
too long. i started messing with fl studio in middle school 2011. was a little more than a hobby but had lapses of months for many years, got "serious" ~2020. thanks for ego stroke. i still oscillate between thinking I'm absolute trash and thinking I'm kinda good, sometimes

>>123181228
ah it's good that you say that, I'll keep that in mind when doing doing the actual vocals and try not to lose it because i hear what you mean and i like it too. saving the mixing for the end.

>>123181843
what drums would work better? I thought they could use some work but I didn't think they were that bad lol especially not ol' reliable amen break

>>123172181
i love me some bitcrush
https://vocaroo.com/18XzRhhOZn7H
https://vocaroo.com/1o20wF5RXbys

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How is /prod/ doing? I felt very depressed today. I still suck very bad.

>>123182679
>what drums would work better?
not the break, the chop/automation/fx and all that just sounds super low effort and uninteresting compared to the rest

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anyyy offff the scheeeemessss??
I D G I

https://vocaroo.com/1dPIcreWL4ea

uh huh same t b h and i feel that feel (that real bad one) coming on

>>123183221
That reminds me of something...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m515Edv2-xE

>>123183387
wot

>>123183411
Oh, I think I might have been thinking of the South Park intro song
>big women have big vaginas
...it's basically the same rhythm. I think. Based on my poor memory and not having watched South Park since the mid/late 00's

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I want MF doom casserole
Where,
Where is the Recipe Homies
Give to me.

What can I do to learn and improve if I can't remake tracks for shit?

>>123183786
Learn everything else

Ok so I have a few songs ready. How do you guys get them on streaming services? What do you guys use. Maybe I’ll share the songs here with u

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>>123178926
The Good: It's a nice idea. I feel like all the components fits together nicely, the chopped vocal melody is nice, the little piano arp is nice as well. Good bit of mix up with the guitar part. Everything is simple in a way that's pleasing.
The bad: It's just too long for what it is. Feels like you doubled that parts you already did after the intro without changing anything and called it a day. I feel like the percussion is sitting above everything in a way that feels out of place. They sound a bit stock as well. The bass doesn't blend well, either. The piano, vocals and xylophone thing sound good together, but the percussion and bass sound too seperate and above the melodic elements, especially the OH starting around 1min mark and that constant scratch type noise.
Overall I think it's a decent little diddly that just needs a bit of extra mixing and tweaking to make everything more cohesive and balanced. Some more variety in the melody to keep it interesting would also be good, or shorten it slightly and fade it out or something if you can't be fucked.

>>123184564
delete this

>>123183196
> the chop/automation/fx
do you mean just the drum pattern and other percussion/FX throughout the song? like it's lacking layers or fills or something? really want to understand what you mean. I've actually spent a lot of time on the percussion apart from the break lol so if that's what you're talking about and you have a reference for what you would consider better in a similar style that would be really helpful

or are you talking about the section at 3:06?

>>123179711
>is this good?
Yeah, sounds good to me even in this rough mix stage. Agree with the other anon about the ethereal vocals blending nicely with the pad, it's a really nice effect.
>>123179711
>does it keep your attention?
No, I zoned out about the 2 mins mark until the choppy bit around 3mins woke me up a bit, but this might also be because the vocals are still placeholder gibberish as you said. I think it could stand to be a bit shorter, but again, might feel different once it's finished and has actual vocals.

>>123184708
>the drum pattern and other percussion
I mean looping 1 bar of an amen for any extended length of the song really isn't acceptable imo.
It doesn't need to be *constantly* glitching and filling all over the place (though that's what I personally like) but even if you want to it to be a relatively tame beat the song would sound considerably less amateurish (not that it's a bad song at all but this is the sort of egregious "mistake" characteristic of a new musician's music) if you just extended what was actually looping to at least 8 beats, but preferably more if you count fills/fx.
Even with the same basic beat you could just be sing that cymbal or the shuffle and replacing some of the snares and you'd have instant subtle variation without any automation or anything more attention grabbing.

>Take vocal from splice
>Throw it into ai generator
Legal or nah

>>123184564
Appreciate the feedback. I made it as a beat for someone like Joeyy, so it isn’t a complete song and is repetitive as beats typically are. But I agree about the percussion mix, need to find a few new sounds and glue the drums together.

>>123182305
dude this rocks ass. i miss this kinda shit

>>123183536
>>123181878

apocalyptic rider (me) comes to anon when he doesnt make something today have warned you (in your dreams)
ost: https://vocaroo.com/15I1TFGNDOyV

>>123173323
filtered

>>123182305
>>123186039
Wdym AI generator?

i'm covering a song originally sung a light soprano woman and a lower mezzo woman. does it matter if i swap the vocalists' parts if the ones I'm using can handle either part?

>>123187636
ohh nooo i'm sorry D:
i had a dream yesterday during my sunlight safety protocol where we were about to get got by *something,* and my stupid dog ran out onto the ice to investigate or something so i had to run out and get him and then SPLASH SPLASH panic awakening

reminds me of this...
https://alexzhanghungtai.bandcamp.com/track/xinhai-tunnel

>>123188118
tessitura look that up.

>>123188118
but yes it matters i didnt answer the question. the qualities of the vocal types are what give them the characteristics, not just hitting the notes. voice type is more than voice range.
but if it sounds good it sounds good.

>>123189164
will keep it in mind, thanks.

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Warm up for today
https://vocaroo.com/11AJddWNZ1HA
I like a lot of the sounds individually, but it sounds bad all together. Should probably drop the arp in favor of an actual melody. I also like the bass at first, but it sounds like it gets eaten by the drums? Anyone have a good EQ video?

posting feedback in another reply

>>123187238
Thank you

>>123180501
Grouping will hide it, but my brain will still know it's there. I can't really tell from where I got that workflow. Might be Cool Edit Pro/Adobe Audition.

>allegedly billy jean was mixed 91 times and they went with mix nr. 2
just like me.

>>123190517
I doubt anyone that mixed a song more than 10 times truly went with any of the later versions, maybe just picked one of the because of sunken cost

>>123191814
yea other than pathological examples like rick rubin's adele and RHCP anyone who knows what they're doing should get well within the acceptable range, there could be things to nitpick about but those were probably mostly conscious decisions and it's just a matter of taste

>>123190517
By the same person?
Tbh if you have that kind of budget it wouldn't be a bad idea to just send it to every top tier engineer available and pick the best version, but even if they did that, 91 times is excessive.
Even with an average of 2 revisions for each engineer, that's 30 people.

>>123191936
I’m actually convinced that early versions of loveless were totally fine and Kevin shields is just an autist [derogatory]

>>123191909
rick rubin doesn't mix

>>123192067
he's involved in the process
>I can't say that I like all of the projects he's worked on, but I'm thankful for the work he did with The Beastie Boys.

>That said, he should leave all audio engineering tasks/decisions to professionals. After that shit with Metallica's "Death Magnetic", I'm convinced his hearing has gone to shit (the mastering engineer later claimed RR kept asking for "louder" masters and eventually wanted his name off the credits).

made some dream pop. was going for a kinda Jesus and Mary Chain/Ride vibe with the high fuzzy guitars.

https://vocaroo.com/19J0SEXFDcDw

>>123191936
michael jacksons mixer was bruce swedien. watch this clip for his philosophy, i think it makes a lot more work that way https://youtu.be/2Pl8vqCqfn4?t=251
4:11
allegedly though...
but listen to billie jean, there are a lot of things that are "wrong"

>>123192208
>with Metallica's "Death Magnetic", I'm convinced his hearing has gone to shit (the mastering engineer later claimed RR kept asking for "louder" masters
Why didn't the mastering engineer just sneakily turn up the speakers instead?

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new track i'm working on. still not finished. i'll take any criticism or addition. vocals are still very unfinished. mostly just scratch-takes. still figuring out lyrics as well, so some parts just have meandering gibberish to fill the void
>synthcore
>electronicore
>sample-heavy
https://vocaroo.com/12RVL1ksMxIR

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>>123172181
i've been trying to create loops around pictures and feelings rather than samples lately. it's made things fun again but i still have a ways to go
https://vocaroo.com/1gj2ixWDa9Kp

https://vocaroo.com/1h7YjV16pX1u

made it more balanced eq wise

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>>123193243
just take out 50% of the elements in the beginning alot is there and no one is prepared for that
>>123192931
nice vibe, dont like the bass that comes in at around 2/3 but there was no snare to dislike so i am kind of disappointed.
>>123192498
i like how you screw up the note at the beginning where the listener has the most attention to spend, like it gives it that sort of highschooler sings for his romance type of thing. i dont like the heavy nasal singing at 0:58-1:30 and the panning of the guitar is kinda boring and goes on for so long...but well the listener needs to be tortured at times i get it.
>>123189863
i would tune down the chords and basically everything is in the "head". is why it sounds bad together. you could also be a genius and just dont play sounds together when they sound bad but yea...
if i end up with something like you described i take the whole project, tune it down and if it sounds like shrill at -36semitones or something it is way too high, everything is way too high.
i too, am way too high.
>>123188863
that wasnt your dog, it was me. your dog is a good boye. i instructed him to shit on your carpet if you dont make something today.

>>123192353
different studio because you want diffferent room acoustics for the master. if you mix and master in the same room and your room isnt perfect you just doubled the possibility of the rooms EQ fucking up your shit on another playback system.

I'm close to giving up ngl, nothing has worked and I've been stuck not improving for the past 7-8 years. It's like my brain doesn't understand how to improve. I can't remake a single track, every track sounds too advanced to me. My brain doesn't understand why I struggle. I'm fighting with my brain daily to understand certain music production concepts, it just doesn't click at all. It sucks, because it was my dream to at least put out an album I'd be proud of, but it looks like it won't happen desu.

>>123196028
yeah it sucks but seeing the contrast between my genius and seeing people struggle in school etc it's just the hard truth that not everyone is going to make it. you'll probably find something else that will make you happy it's just annoying at first to get over the sunk cost fallacy and make changes

>>123196273
lmao your music sucks
guaranteed

>>123192931
>https://vocaroo.com/1gj2ixWDa9Kp
the vibes have been sullied, dishonoured and left in ruin by that kick and bass.

Garage attempt
https://voca.ro/1cBckGZcylmA

>>123179711
Heya, thank you so much and sorry for late reply, i kept getting errors yesterday for some reasons :/

>is this good? https://voca.ro/1fQeFeauoEcT
Hella good man, the intro pad reminds me of Dullscythe by Porter Robinson
>As for the drop, I don't think the pads are in tune with the arp sound you're using
Weird because i made sure all the notes match the pad chords, just couple octaves higher maybe they sound out of sync because the pad itself is a multipitch one
>I wouldn't suggest doing a deep dive on music theory but learn a little bit about major and minor scales
I do know some theory actually, my main issue is inability to come up with something worthwhile
>Please please please learn about sidechain compression too. It's just a way of making other sounds duck under your kick (or whatever else, but generally your kick), so that the kick can punch through the mix. It's essential in electronic music and that alone would improve the quality of your songs
I hear that term a lot, and i will asap
>This is like... pretty bad but it seems like something someone would make if they were just starting out so I won't berate you too much.
Thank you again man

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>>123192498
Fucking hilarious, I cringed hard, good job. You're good at making really annoying shit, fair play. Pretty certain I've heard you post other things asking 'is this good' and you know it isn't.

>>123173696
You typed 2 very long paragraphs and threw insults any chance you got. Also you show up to every thread and bitch about it like a woman. Then instead of making the thread yourself you say "I don't care about it enough to do that but i do care enough to cry about it every thread. "

>>123196028
Let me guess, you're making "beats" and "[insert specific electronic music niche genre]"?
The problem is that non-musicians are trying to create music. With musician, I mean someone playing an instrument. Not even perfectly, but at least the basics. I don't understand how you people expect to make music without having even the most basic requirement. There's only so far you can come by downloading other people's music snippets (samples) and rearranging them.

>>123196847
you seem...mad?

>>123199574
no, that's what you hope, but it's just funny, anon. i enjoyed it.

what are the industry standard regular budget audio interfaces nowadays? when i started it was the focusrite scarlets, and i have a 1st gen 2i4, but it's starting to make problems these days so i'm thinking about replacing it.

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>>123200028
ssl2+ and audient id, the differences are not that big anymore.

>>123200028
>1st gen 2i4
upgraded to a 3rd gen solo a couple years ago after research and have been completely satisfied (requirements for me were stability and at least *usable* preamps, which 1st gen lacked)

>>123200129 is correct on differences
with very few exceptions, the variance in quality is literally, measurably negligible

>pic
I actually remember when looking into it and there essentially being a hard cap on how little noise there could be?
... and then maybe like -128 to -130 being the point where pretty much nobody is capable of detecting it for whatever reason.
(I could be making this last bit up)

>>123200287
wonder how big of a difference 1st vs 3rd gen scarlet makes

>>123200427
it's actually fucking huge, but not nearly as much as 1 to 2.
I had to track down the gen 1 manual from an amazon page or something a couple years ago and like... it wouldn't even chart on the image above iirc, or it would be on the bottom anyway. It's abysmal.

>>123200462
is it just a matter of preamps or also latency?

>>123200481
I won't pretend to know

Anecdotally i'll just throw in that I noticed no difference personally

what is this bass called? i've heard something similar in a lot of recent pop songs but i don't know the name of it. it seems EDM inspired.
20 secs
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=cjiuWzlV7Uw
1 min
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=wC7kK60C2g0
25 secs
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Xq-XtMw8M

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>>123200287
yes electronic hard cap on that. dont ask me why or where. all i know is that you cant really achieve more than 124db from noise to peak dynamic. but more dynamic range absolutely should sound better if it the noise is low but with diminishing returns above like 110db i guess. things like power supply hums and emf shielding seem to give people a lot of headache aswell...

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>>123199568
Not that anon but sitting down for practice is a lot harder than sitting down to produce. I'm not really good at either but sometimes with a producing session, I'll come out of it with something done. Generally my practice goes
>major/minor scales around Co5
>choose a song I like
>try and learn notes
>try to play along with metronome
>brain fries can't remember notes and stumble on everything
Producing usually goes
>find drum break
>choose one vst for all the sounds I wanna use
>play basic bass line notes
>attempt to add atmosphere
>fail at making a lead
The latter feels more rewarding and then coming back to something and "finishing" it feels really good. Though the feeling I get when I finally nail a bar on a song w the click is euphoric. It's just much much harder. 20 minutes of practice feels like 2 hours and 2 hours of producing feels like 20 minutes. Practice will only get easier the more I do it, I just feel so dumb sometimes. Then when I walk away from the piano with nothing but scales going well, I feel like I'm wasting time.

how do I make a vocal "cut through the mix"
and how can I make a poorly performed vocal sound better

>>123201204
>how can I make a poorly performed vocal sound better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYkadjBh5sU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-cuF2nrr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eynDPoci9EE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg4NW1kjwrw
for tpain rapper/hyperpop stylistic effects you can add things like autotune

can you own legit ilok software and the dongle and still use cracked ilok shit on the side (like soundtoys stuff or oeksound soothe and the likes)?

>>123201238
stop

>>123201204
of roughly the same importance because they're different elements of the same concept:
leveling: is it the loudest element?

frequency balance: is it the loudest *in the right spot* and is it competing with something it shouldn't? *i.e is it dominating 2-4k like it should*

arrangement: basically the same as above

Nail those all before throwing candy on it.

Editing wise you should be manually adjusting things like timing and pitch with something like melodyne before you hit auto-tune, even when it's not as an effect.

>>123201424
>>123201238
Thank you very much

https://voca.ro/1lImrAmhyCc5
if I can learn how to mix then it I think it has potential. I like the FX I have on the drums but I'm trying to keep that kinda hypnotic feel going. I also rendered in wav for the first time and it sounds really quiet but also too loud. I probably need to filter the air horn thing. I'm not too sure about the string notes I added. I've just been listening to consume red a lot and I wanted to copy that.

>>123201404
don't use ilok shit, use alternatives

>>123202085
i can't

Favorite instrument VST / plugin?

>>123202567
Piano

>>123202601
You are going to have to be more specific.

>>123202848
No i don't think so

>>123199691
>i enjoyed it.
thanks!

>>123201960
Can anyone give me advice on this track

>>123202567
favourite synth is phaseplant rn

>>123201404
>owning software

>>123202926
lol

>>123203723
Looks cool, did you actually buy it? I can't find it on Audioz.download

>>123204420
no i didn't, it's included in the kilohearts toolbox bundle that has all their paid plugins. i got it off rutracker but it should be on audioz too

>>123203658
Dog, there isn't enough text space for all of that. WTF did you do to the drums to make them sound so shit and distant? remove all those effects. The entire thing is just a farting brown note bass, turn it down, pick a different sound. Are you listening to this from your laptop speakers? Use headphones at least.

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>>123201960
doo doo doo
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAP
doo doo doo
>BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAP
doo doo doo
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

>>123196818
> reminds me of Dullscythe by Porter Robinson
porter is a great influence, so i really appreciate you saying this. sometimes am just a little scared of sounding too similar lol

>maybe they sound out of sync because the pad itself is a multipitch one
yes that's probably exactly it. unless you're being very intentional and going for polychords etc, playing chords where each note is actually an interval will get you nasty dissonance. sometimes you could get away with playing chords on patches that have a perfect 5th in them, but generally you want to avoid that. Also get in habit of taking breaks, sometimes our ears kinda get used to certain faults after hearing them over and over. e.g. in this case to me and others who replied the dissonance is extremely prominent and distracting, but maybe to your ears it's not so bad after having listened back 100 times. obviously can be a subjective thing... just depends on what you're going for

>I do know some theory actually, my main issue is inability to come up with something worthwhile
I will again insist you analyze melodies from songs you like. it takes a while to get an ear for it, and it's a little hard to describe, but you wanna listen for patterns and phrases. Understanding the idea of call and response is essential for musical intuition, and it actually bleeds into almost every aspect of making music. look up "call and response skrillex ahee" for a video of examples of how it's applied in drops. but yeah arrangement, melodies, chord progressions, beats... it's all an application of contrast; of that push and pull. for melodies in particular you want to try to relate the individual phrases you notice to the different notes on the (usually minor) scale. like what degree does one phrase end on compared to another, or which degree is being emphasized more than others, and how that makes you feel, or how that relates to why you like that melody more than others. etc.

good luck :^)

>>123204503
>>123204611
My friend also called it brown noise. That's pretty funny. I do hear it now. I like using deep bass sounds but I guess it'll always sound like shit. I only had them in the 2nd octave so I didn't think it was that deep sounding.

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https://vocaroo.com/1okxpM2Ex22S

https://youtu.be/38VBv0ZenZU
Can anyone tell me what key this is in? I wanna sample it

>>123205223
Just sing along with it and the note that resonates in your heart is the key.
Ab maj / F min

>>123205280
I don't have perfect pitch

>>123205223
>key
dog you gotta try to sound things out damn

>>123205400
that's not what that is

>>123205400
I don't either. The trick is to internalize songs that you've listened to a million times over as a reference point.

>>123205435
it's still pretty arcane for people who haven't had formal music education/training

>>123205446
?

dude drag it into your DAW, hold a sine wave down and check if it's clashing or if you can hear that note somewhere in there, and another and another.

... like if you can't match pitch, even if it takes you a minute, that's kind of a problem and you need to practice

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>>123205435
>>123205280
How am I supposed to sound it out? Even listening carefully since it's upbeat and happy I thought it was like C major at best. I just don't know

>>123205487
but WITHOUT a reference it's fucking insane like professional musicians basically expect everyday people to recognize notes like rain man

>>123205656
Nah, even singers in a choir start with a reference note from a piano or pitch pipe or tuning fork or whatever.

>>123205656
nooo they don't, literally what are you talking about?
perfect pitch is something completely different, and not normal, even among pro musicians

>>123205682
>>123205697
>Just sing along with it and the note that resonates in your heart is the key.
bruh how is anyone going to sing and know the notes without being trained to sing or listen

>>123205708
...

babez MATCH the pitch, nobody said any of that

got a scarlet 4i4 4th gen today lads. my vocals and instruments sounding way nicer I think, had the second gen 2i4 before

made this idea tonight

https://vocaroo.com/12dCg6mTLpEt

>>123205223
Sounds like a vamp between C#m7 and G#m7.
>>123205590
Songs with a lot of minor 7th chords like in funk for example can sound happy but tend to be in minor keys a lot of the time.

I able able to match the bass notes C# and G# first, and knew it would be in a minor key just because of how it sounded.

>>123205764
>the note that resonates in your heart is the key
and then draw the rest of the owl

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hypervigillance. solitaire. panic

https://vocaroo.com/1g1Oh1licauj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEtznkjDpGc

>>123206682
>that second test
WHAT"S IT FEEL LIKE TO BE A GHOST~~

>calmy opens a can of worms
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3848041/

>>123206718
>>123206682
lol. holy shit, they are the same notes.
>1:26
>Ab, Gb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEaMgEcQuB0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBpeWuD9L4w

>>123206730
Hmm I wonder is this why I can kinda guess note names if I really concentrate, I'm on epilum which is valproate lol

https://vocaroo.com/13K74MLfLaA6 I JUST KEEP ADDING MORE SYNTHS OK YOU CAN NOT STOP ME

>>123206353
Very nice atmosphere. The ending reminds me of Lorn
Very cool sound design too

>>123206730
Brb installing Tor

>>123207179
Holy shit dude don't waste it, go email Rick Beato or something

did I just start writing the most emotional synth pop ballad of the year??

https://vocaroo.com/189ZRAKKlUSm

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This track exists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGcbx4txRq8
And a guy named slowerpace made this out of that:
https://slowerpace.bandcamp.com/track/patience
Is it literally just the music pitched down and slowed? Something you can do with Audacity? Yes, I know nothing about music manipulation.

https://vocaroo.com/1m39vy78ff8t

>>123200481
>latency
The 4th gen one has higher latency for some reason than the 3rd gen, at least according to the Julian Krause video.
That's why I got rid of my 3rd gen one and got a MOTU M2. If you're upgrading, consider the inputs. The Solo is really limited, because you only get 1 instrument and one XLR. The 2i2 has the combined inputs, but I guess they wanted another price class in their range.

>>123206033
I doubt it's the interface. It's more like your experience with making it sound well.

>>123209860
hopefully ^^ its soo sexy lol the lights are great on it, it has these lights that move in a circle green to yellow to red, really sleek looking equipment

>>123206033
>Deleted
fag

>>123209920
I added some synths to it, here it is again

https://vocaroo.com/1ed7K101kbNb

>>123201960
I like the arrangement and the sound of the lead, you got the hypnotic feeling right, but yeah, that deep bass is just totally overwhelming. It's literally making my head pound and detracting from the stronger parts of the track. I recommend you look at the frequencies in an eq, it's a lot deeper than you might realise.
If you didn't notice it was way too deep, you might want to invest in a decent pair of studio monitors. It'll be immediately obvious if you listen on something with a solid low-freq output

>>123201960
>>123210314
You don't even fucking need headphones to know that the bass is too loud. Jesus what were you thinking anon.

>>123210323
I honestly think that if he's listening on a shitty pair of headphones or speakers with no bass output he may not have realised. It's all part of the learning experience.

>>123204828
>I like using deep bass sounds but I guess it'll always sound like shit.
Listen to deep house music, lots of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkvC7JDTMg

https://voca.ro/1flOcE4TqzCm

>>123210473
1:08 and the 3:00 equivalent need a different kind of bass backing, something harder and heavier.

>>123210518
Thanks. New to making techno or whatever this is. I know some timing elements are off but I’m drunk and do not care at the moment. Luv u anon

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>>123210577
As someone who attends hard techno/dark techno/ high bpm shit every week, you've got something really brewing there. Unfortunately so do 1000s of others, so just keep pumping those fuckers out the better you get at this.

>>123210607
Thanks man I really do appreciate that. Who can I listen to to hone in on the sound in this genre?

>>123209620
Anyone?

>>123209620
>>123210675
sounds like pitch down, some reverb, delay, etc. that sax feels boosted
when you pitch a sound down you inherently also slow it down at the same time because you are stretching out its waveform
just put a track into ableton or audacity, pitch it down, add effects like reverb delay etc

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>>123210674
>Who can I listen to to hone in on the sound in this genre?
I've been feeling Dea Magna's Okano for a while now. A damn fine set of songs:
https://open.spotify.com/album/7GjAgidWiHR5eo2boZCFMu
She's a great DJ to boot.

I have some others but my Spotify library is xboxhueg so just take this 5 hour playlist and go digging.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1ZIoxsGTNSYtabfYxddRNo
Good luck.

>>123210742
Thanks anon, I'll definitely fuck around with some favorite tunes of mine tomorrow. The boosted sax, that's EQ stuff then?

>>123210797
no problem. Yeah EQ, finding the frequencies the sax occupies and boosting those / dropping the opposite, but also I think the reverb plays a big role. Those big drum hits during the sax part have a lot of reverb on them and they give the illusion of a lot of space in a big room surrounding the sax player, which is why it works so well.
If you end up enjoying yourself and want to learn more, if you like reading there's a good book called audio production principles: practical studio applications by Stephane Elmosnino that goes over essentially everything you'd need to do what I think you want to do here. Should be able to find it for free somewhere online, maybe libgen.
Best of luck

>>123210831
Reading I'm fine with, it's Tor I'm a retard about. Added the book to my amazon cart.
>Yeah EQ, finding the frequencies the sax occupies and boosting those / dropping the opposite, but also I think the reverb plays a big role. Those big drum hits during the sax part have a lot of reverb on them and they give the illusion of a lot of space in a big room surrounding the sax player, which is why it works so well.
I'll note this down. Goodnight anon, and thanks one last time. Hopefully I come back with some modified music I enjoy.

>>123201960
Theme: fart aliens from planet fart have landed their flying farter on earth and are farting on it. It's actually pretty good if you consider this.

>>123210742
>when you pitch a sound down you inherently also slow it down at the same time because you are stretching out its waveform
it depends on the algorithm, pitch just has to do with the tone and not time stretch

>splice never has GOOD tech-house kicks
bleh

>>123207825
ty fren :3

idk lorn at all besides the sewerslvt sample though xD

>>123214351
Your clip reminded me of his ~2015 stuff like Vessel or the 3 Maze to Nowhere EPs. Tbh I haven't listened to much of what he released after that period lol.

>>123214541
>Tbh
Wait, did they remove the word filter?
Tbh desu DESU
Senpai senpai SENPAI
Smh baka BAKA
Cuck cuck KEK
Onions onions ONIONS
Basedboy basedboy BASEDBOY

>>123215100
Weird

>>123215100
wait what is senpai supposed to be?

>>123215252
F a m

>>123201960
the bass really isn't that bad lol. Maybe the tone can be a little better but the arrangement and idea are cool. mixing is awful though... do assess your listening setup

how is phase plants mix not redundant compared to aux??

should probably upgrade...........

>>123215462
>>123210995
>>123210323
>>123210314
>>123204611
I made the track while using my M30x headphones. I know the mix is terrible which make it sound like shit. Is there any video you watched that helped you get better with mixing? Or any advice you can give me?

>>123215746
you need to focus on writing a decent song before mixing honestly dude

>>123215746
Its not just mixing its composition it's sound selection. it makes it sound amateur. What is your intention with this song? It almost sounds like it's gonna drop into some crisp DnB drum break but it just doesn't instead you've got some weird washed out drum thing and the melody is just repeating doo doo doo BRAAAAAAP which then steps 1 key up. You can take this somewhere. The question is what are you trying to do exactly?

>>123215876
>>123215794
I was just trying to keep it simple with the bass but the intro drums I just thought happened to sound cool but they weren't put in until I was finishing up the track. I was going for experimental hip hop, [spoiler]don't call me that guy,[/spoiler] I really suck at making my own melody or composition. I just always go with the root note for the bass of whatever chord I have playing for the melody. It's always a 1-3-5 chord. I'm trying to keep it really basic so I can learn. Like if I was using a C major chord I'd play C on my bass vst, however it doesn't go my way all the time. I find half steps sound pretty cool but I just don't know how to use them correctly. There times I'm playing C major and trying to use E or G over the chord with some other sound and it never really sounds right.

>>123216457
m8 literally just make more music and develop your ear, none of what you make at this point will be worth polishing or rewriting.
If you know theory already that's a good frame to analyze from but you're going to start overthinking everything if you carry on like that.

>>123216511
I don't really know much theory. I have very basic knowledge but I wouldn't be able to hold a conversation about theory if someone asked me. I also don't really know what aspect of theory I'm supposed to study for learning producing. I learned my scales and what the Roman numerals mean for each scale but that's about it. Even then I still need use my chord wheel every time i open ableton. Could you specify what part of theory i should focus on? I know I'm asking a lot but I genuinely don't know what you guys mean when you say that.

How do I have my music not sound so narrow and have more depth and motion instead of sounding too generic.

>>123216919
don't focus on theory at all
plug it in and play noises
pirate scaler 2
use whatever DAW or VST to lock shit to a specific scale and key. throw some bass riff over drums.
in your current position you need to be honest with yourself and is making "experimental" hip hop just because you don't actually know how to make normal hip hop or electronic music or some fusion genre of both. You need to learn to make beats before you can make experimental stuff

>>123216959
Thanks I'll check out that vst. I thought I was jumping the gun a bit. A lot of the time when I'm going through samples or playing with sounds I think, "that's too basic anyone can make this sound" then I scrap it. In the back of my mind I'm always thinking, "if that's the case why don't you do something basic" and i ignore it. 9 times out of 10 that thought or feeling I have is the best choice. I thought pushing myself meant making the craziest sounding shit I can think of. But if I can't make basic things then I'll never really make anything I can be proud of. Appreciate the reality check

How do I improov? I'm pretty satisfied with this, but I want to make experimental hiphop so I just make trap in the meantime

https://vocaroo.com/1eJ4AaNSAwUN

im going to fucking kill myself i hate mixing and mastering so much i want to die

>>123217097
A good song sounds good if you replace every instrument with a basic piano VST. It should also sound pretty good if you play some sort of simplified chord version of it. Excluding a few things like long slow evolving repetitive techno or some shit but you get my point.

try laying down a drum pattern, then laying a bassline with a low octave on a piano. Then play a melody ok the piano. Add some other small elements and build up a basic planned song structure. If you can't do this you won't be able to write a good song with all the instruments in the world. Anyone can do this though. Figure out what makes something a hip hop drum beat. Start with basic boom bap rythms and learn about swing. Then try chopping drum breaks and messing with shifting timing, going iff beat, sampling drum breaks and chopping them up. Now you're in a very basic position to start actually experimenting. second to this I would focus on bass and how it functions as both rythmic and melodic

Stop worrying about mixing and shit and focus on humming a melody you like then figuring it out in a piano. You naturally have a much more innate sense of melody than you likely think. But you're also probably off key as fuck so humming and fucking with a basic piano will start to give you a feel for making songs

>>123210749
That Dea album is niiiice. Thanks for the rec

>>123196970
You're right, I am bitching, but I'm not the only one. The posts you're referring to aren't all mine.
Over the years I've spent more time trying to make this place better than probably every other /prod/ user combined, and gave up a couple of years ago after accepting that the people here will always be like this.
Sorry but you guys fucking suck. I wish it wasn't like this, and that we could have a thread that isn't mostly comprised of retards, but here we are.
I will continue to be frustrated and bitch about how retarded most of you are, because that's the truth, and there's nothing else I can do other than going back to the pointless tard-wrangling that I used to do years ago, which took way too much time and mental energy, for pretty much zero gains.
It's not like I have high expectations either. Copypasting a post takes 30 seconds. 2 minutes max if you have to go search the archive. Not putting your own links in the OP takes zero effort and only a tiny bit of brain. If you don't think this is some subhuman behavior that needs to be called out, you're subhuman as well.

>>123218879
You're insane if you think I'm reading any of that

>>123216457
counterpoint and basso continuio are very good exercises in general to advance your understanding and intuition.
reading about cadences. just do the exercises or watch stuff on youtube, it will feel futile but then when you do something it somehow clicks. feels way more free than writing stupid triads then inversions and then you constantly struggle because imo the system is not that good to compose, but good if you want to play along others or improvise along something. but if you want to do music from 0 i think counterpoint is very helpful to understand, just for rhythmic ideas aswell, it just expands the horizon.
the basic history of music and chords comes from people singing along, then one guy builds harmonies with a chordal instrument (like organ, or piano, or harpsichord (harpsichords have no velocity, like some synths..)
the origin was not:
hey lets sing a progression.
it was very basic songs, like "amen" and then on top of that the harmonies and other voices were composed usually starting from the bass. (basso continuio)
so the idea of a chord follows the idea of having multiple voices singing a melody and harmonizing it all. a choir sings with the SATB shit, and then the organ harmonizes everything.

the best thing about roman numerals i have read is that when you want to solo and the song is full it is best to play the iii and vii because otherwise you just layer with the others most likely in modern music and get no seperate voice.
was very helpful when my track was full but i wanted extra spice, just improvise something around iii and VII and it works very nice at a lot of times.
bass is often already occuping the I and V already, dunno i am just yapping but got that from some jazz book somewhere.

but you will develop some schizophrenic feelings towards powerchords then. i hate parallel fifths, i sometimes like powerchords kind of thing.

>>123217275
learn industrial and other genres than hip hop.

i wasnt going to share this with people because I thought i knew it was good, but my girlfriend says theres nothing special about this and shes usually right.

now i need a second opinion:
https://vocaroo.com/1nVs0KKqbYY1

>>123219116
well it is good but nothingspecial therefore elevator music, both parties are correct. if i call somewhere and this plays while i am waiting in the line i am vibing.

>>123219211
elevator music? really? and how? not offended just didnt think this one gave that vibe. i put this together as a scratch track in a bout 4 hours if that makes any difference

>>123219083
what other genres other than industrial?

>>123219009
Don't worry. Your reply already says everything that needed to be said.

>>123219259
because it is catchy, familiar but also not very novel or new or interest generating or tends to take me to some place. like i dont get a story or something. just here is the band we are now playing background music.
its nothing wrong with it, just if you put a crazy synth in there or something it could be more interesting, or pads, or textures, or a cowbell.
like it lacks that one more element that makes it more demanding? i dont know how to say it.
i can always predict what happens next, therefore it doesnt suprise me and i dont get a emotional response listening to it.
just like a desire to listen to some fleetwood mac or duan allman.
like maybe an organ in there would already move it away from what i am talking about but remember this is just my opinion.
like i have to think about "Peste Noire - Dueil Angoisseus" as other extreme to your track, overload of emotion and weird sound.
like listen to that for some moments then to your track and think about how they would score on each element like emotional depth, disturbingness, predictablity.
could you get away with playing peste noire in an elevator? no...
but your track is not bad, it is just kinda boring sounding overall but if you still want to add elements of a voice then it would probably change quite alot.
elevator music is also a harsh critique to it but it kinda hits the nail on what is "wrong" with it or why it isnt "special".
like the track does not seem that he wants to express something special, therefore the setting it could be played in is just very universal.
and rhythmically it is not very interesting, how can i dance to it? with clapping to the snare?
but its not that i dont humm along and dont like the song, its just not maxing out any element, just very "safe".
the feeling you want to have in an elevator.

>>123219259
>>123219507
https://vocaroo.com/1mALeko4V2me
and here something i made in like 30 minutes and i really liked it and the vibe and then my mate says its really boring and it makes only dudud i was devastated.

>>123218879
oh anon

yeah this is also how i feel about leaving serious feedback or taking anyone seriously here honestly lmao

>>123219259
>elevator music? really?
because it's completely inoffensive background music

>>123219602
it just sounds like noob music dude
be honest, would you listen to somebody else's music of this quality?

>>123219912
Yeah lol. Not specific to /prod/, but almost every time I write some advice or something helpful, before I hit send I think "why? so I can get into yet another argument with one of the ever-present literal retards who don't know anything and can't use basic logic?", and I close the comment box.
Sometimes I don't catch myself, and inevitably I find myself explaining myself to some confused cunt (or someone pretending to be one).
It's exhausting, time-consuming, and I can only assume it's bad for my mental health.
There are definitely good people, but the bad ones ruin it for everybody else.

>>123219948
no but that is the point, i like it because i like some elements and what they do but everything else is shit but my subjectivity of "yes that referee whistle is giving a nice thing" just makes me value some rather random element 10 times more and i cant judge it.
thats the whole point... same for the noisy thing around 0.30, no one will like it but i like how i did it so i just like it when i hear it because i like my execution of it.
obviously should sound like noob music because i wanted a punk theme were things are destroyed.

>>123209860
>If you're upgrading, consider the inputs. The Solo is really limited, because you only get 1 instrument and one XLR. The 2i2 has the combined inputs, but I guess they wanted another price class in their range.
yea i know, that's why i originally got the 2i4 to begin with. ideally i would like to have something like a 4i4 or even 6i6 cause i have some hardware... kinda annoys me that the ssl2+ and the audient id both have most inputs on the back. who tf wants that?

>>123220187
well you should completely separate your valuing how something was made, or your enjoyment in making something from the question of whether or not a piece of your music is good.
those are totally separate things

>>123220180
i just close the window like 90% of the time honestly
used to post a completely stupid amount like 5 years ago but meh

>>123220256
>i just close the window like 90% of the time honestly
I don't think I can bring myself to do something like that lol :(

>>123220256
>just pretend biases dont exist
ok.

>>123220524
>something I didn't say
ok.

>fags arguing
ok.

>>123220580
i responded once dude jfc, it's not anywhere close to a thread derailing "argument" yet, yank that tampon out of your ass

>>123220580
ok. how do i make experimental hip hop then?? back to topic. sorry.

>>123220689
oh no...

>>123220689
if you don't know the answer yourself then you aren't "experimenting" with shit, unless by "experimental" you mean some specific sound, and in that case I can't help you

Hey, folks! I started making music about what it’s like being autistic. Here’s a snippet. My aunt liked this one and said it moved her to tears and that she’s going to show it to her friend who is a college psychology professor. That felt so good! Hope you guys enjoy this little part. I only started making music this year, btw. I’m still learning.

https://voca.ro/18B4b37EF4qe

>>123219948
>>123219116

does it change anything that I threw it together as a scratch track in a couple of hours and plan on rerecording it and adding more shit

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anxiety traxxx online
took a break from the autism today yeahhh :3

https://vocaroo.com/1LDLuXoLaZwl

it's the germs

>>123220931
adding more stuff doesn't change the fundamental song, so not really

>>123220948
Very good.
What's the vocal sample?

>>123221058
thanks

... it's the germs ._.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQA0sY52tEA

>>123221066
Ah lol sorry

>>123220931

Not that anon, but you'll need to go full Johnny Marr on it instead of half like it is now, if you have the skills. It's odd but I can hear in my head what it should sound like even with the bare bones you've got right now, but looping back to the start that might just be me hearing what Johnny Marr might do next with it.

>>123216943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YpmS-S4Gnc

how do i make melody that dont sound like random note
https://vocaroo.com/1mQCVQfXJpsX

>>123220762
Noo, Porter Robinson Jr., you can't just cut off the rap and leave us hangin like that. I need closure. :3
>>123220948
Yuizard

>>123221769
I gotchu, hold on! :) I’m actually turning to rap into its own song

>>123216959
>scaler 2
is teamcubeadooby fine? R2R is more famous but seems to have slower releases and didn't update scaler EQ

I don't know the elements in my favourite music and no matter how hard I try, I just can't figure it out. What do?

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>>123210518
https://voca.ro/150vgYzjDIHx

Added some bass, fixed the snares, did some mixing. Anyone else, critiques welcome. First hard techno song

>>123221576
That sounds like a melody to me. You’re referring back to a common theme and playing around with it. I guess if you want a hard melody you could just loop that and then put in other parts.
>>123176225
This sounds nice. Have you been able to do more with it?
>>123182697
I wish you kept the crush on the vocals on the first one. The second one has a really nice feel.
>>123206353
What are those really liquid noises at the begging? Love that shit.
>>123205141
Night night
>>123220762
Really like the build up in the music. The vocals aren’t my favorite style but I like it when it gets pitched up

>>123221485
not that anon but did I go full Johnny Marr on this one? just made it tonight

https://vocaroo.com/1cY2I6FMikAA

>>123223416
i would remove snare and add FAT rumbling bass so your neighbour knows you are making music. thats the most important part of techno, the neighbour has to enjoy it too. i dont think the lead can go through that many walls.
techno is for everyone.
and the kick + hihat thing is like a transient? turn down the hihat and shorten it.

imagine your track is playing on a dj floor and the other dj floors bass is on your floor, you have to fire back!

>>123223325
pls help, /bro/ducers

>>123223466
you need to learn at least 4 johnny marr guitar parts fluently start to finish if you wann be able to go full johnny marr

>>123223416
>https://voca.ro/150vgYzjDIHx
feels like its forever building to something. I would put a rolling sub bass under the kick, not a four to the floor sub under the kick doing 1 2 3 4. I think it needs like a heavy sub bass doing its own groove under the kick. listen to other techno you like and compare it to that and if you think it doesn't sound as good then keep working on it, good luck!!

>>123223814
ok, I'll learn some, is my song good though? I wasn't trying to go full Johnny Marr I just happened to see that post after I made the track and thought the guitar reminded e bit of his

>>123219116
>my girlfriend says theres nothing special about this and shes usually right.
what a sad fucking sentence

>>123223752
>>123223824
Thanks boys. Working on it now. Will post soon…

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I suck, how do I stop sucking at music production?

>>123217956
>A good song sounds good if you replace every instrument with a basic piano VST
I've been hearing this for years, along with the variation of "sine wave" instead of piano. I've come to the conclusion that it's not good advice. The sound playing the melody has a lot of influence over the emotional quality of it. Not as much as the melody itself but pretty close. Whenever I try to come up with a melody using just piano I fail miserably, but when I switch up the instrument I find a lot more inspiration way more easily.

Piano works for some people. If it doesn't work for you, try something else. Don't latch on to this idea if all it does is frustrate you.

>>123219116
>https://vocaroo.com/1nVs0KKqbYY1
this is chill. good, even. it doesn't quite stand on its own I don't think, it's begging for vocals. but it's nice as it is in terms of instrumentation, everything's filled out. I think you did a good job anon :^) it flows really well and all of instruments create a nice atmosphere.

>>123225173
this, I'm the same

>>123225173
i always have to think about this https://youtu.be/8DdtvdD1Ltc?t=56

>>123225173
>>123225251
Post a track you made that isn't just hiding your complete lack of musical ability with a big mush of sounds and "experimental" nonsense. yes you can open omnisphere and click a random sound and ooooeee it sounds amaaaziinngggg. Stop the cope, accept your flaws and improve

>>123225784
ps. transbient isn't music

>>123225784
If it sounds good it sounds good, end of story. Who's gonna release a song filled with midi pianos lmao

>>123225819
nobody dummy and you know that's not the point. Until you post your track stfu. I'm out anyway this thread is definitely full of more teens than 4chans average. If you want to suck ass and have nobody listen to your shit ever then be my guest

>>123225784
some genres or electronic music rely on sound design to make the entire track, imagine if you took a modern dubstep or neurofunk and had all the different basses and leads replaced with pianos. it would sound like shit

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>>123225901
do YOU make neurofunk dubstep

HOW THE FUCK DO I PALMMUTE A PIANO

>>123225977
open the lid

>>123225993
brb, getting the leafblower to unlock the hidden 3 octaves in the flute.

>>123225928
btfo
>>123226051
tape guitar picks to a drill bit

is this good? synth pop/post punk

https://vocaroo.com/11Q7sepJExnf

>>123225837
based. music production is like the new indie game dev fad, very toxic dunning-krugerisms. real successful artists have to filter through this noise and do their thing in spite of internet people having bad opinions.

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>>123209777
can i have feedback on the good, the bad and the ugly.

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i added too much distortion but now it doesnt sound good when i take it away

>>123226462
>dunning-kruger
Iq isn’t the sole determinater of intelligence. You can have a lower iq and still be as intelligent as someone with a higher iq.

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>>123226752
mlady have you tried parallel processing with it? or just remove some of the distortion when it is in in a send with eq? if loudness doesnt do it its time to get out the EQ.
>>123226819
“The effect is about us, not them,” he wrote to me. “The lesson of the effect was always about how we should be humble and cautious about ourselves.” The Dunning-Kruger effect is not about dumb people. It’s mostly about all of us when it comes to things we are not very competent at.
fun thing is that he does the dumbo kruger himself and that the effect is quite shaky in terms of statistical proof. whatever.

>>123226819
Wrong

>>123226819
the average /mu/ fag can't write or produce their own songs for shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3FlJrKUfy0

>>123226991
stop posting material that mogs us that brutally. that is bad for the confidence of the general.

>>123223416
>This sounds nice. Have you been able to do more with it?
thanks anon
not yet but i want to turn it into a dance track for sure

Everyone is so negative this thread :(

>>123227102
yeah it's 4chan

>>123227102
I know:( Radiohead or the Beatles could post their first song here and people would say its shit or ignore it

>>123227102
>>123227265
It would get ignored because of the sheer oversaturation of music but that's not to say there is a single competent songwriter in this thread

New thread:
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>>123219116
You've unintentionally made a backing track that sounds like a karaoke version of a song as a simplified/lower energy version of whatever the original song would be. This needs a lead vocal part, and more energy especially for the chorus (I see the 8-bar section that opens the song as the possible chorus here). Compositionally, I think what you've got is really good, but there's lo passion or "feel" to it. It sounds restrained and dead inside.

>>123219116
good bones
But in its current state it sounds like the positive backing track for a laxative advert
>constipated? Feeling down?movacol, get YOUR life moving