Martinu/Ballet editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8cvV9ve4c"In 1927 Martinu wrote no fewer than three ballets, an opera, several piano pieces and some chamber music. The last of the three ballets was La Revue de Cuisine (‘The Kitchen Review’). This was written for a Czech dance company who produced it with great success in Prague in November that year under the title Pokušení svatouška hrnce (‘The Temptation of the Saintly Pot’). The plot concerns the activities of various kitchen utensils. The marriage between pot and lid is threatened by the machinations of the stick who attempts to lure the lid with the dishcloth. The broom tries to restrain the cloth, but the lid rolls away. All is finally and happily resolved when a huge foot kicks the lid back on stage to be reunited with the long-suffering pot."What's your favorite ballet accompaniment?Also why can't I find a performance of this ballet anywhere? Is it some sort of crime to repeat perform obscure ballet performance? >How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music: https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhprevious thread >>123164250
>>123189412Neat link, just added a recording of those three Ballets (Hogwood / Czech Phil.), thanks!
>>123189374he's right that gielen's mahler is terrible and it's a mystery why hurwitz shills so hard for it. >>123189475faggot
I've tried so many times to listen to Bach's cello suite and I always give up 5 minutes in. Cello has such a grating sound alone. Is there like a reinterpretation of it on some other instrument or something?
Damn, Markevitch has a powerful Brahms 1start of Brahms - Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 68:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNtrSQ52Dzo&list=OLAK5uy_lVQU_jJu8YCxyj2XKNjz0dv56rxuYgO0E&index=10https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lVQU_jJu8YCxyj2XKNjz0dv56rxuYgO0E
>>123189702Primrose has an arrangement of it for violahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAsTG1_LFXIUp to you as to whether or not that's an improvement lol>>123189716Listen to his Brahms 4 too, it's very blast-y
>>123189744Will do, the 4th comes on the same recording as well as Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique so will definitely give them a listen with the quality of this Brahms 1. Also not that other anon, but added that Primrose recording, sounds like an interesting idea! I love the Cello and of course the Cello Suites, but Bach sounds divine in all instruments so a viola version of the suites is a neat idea.
Why isn't Martinu /classical/'s idol? He was autistic as fuck and literally me,
>>123189873Others here might feel differently but I don't really care about the character and personal lives and thoughts of composers and musicians in the same way I do about writers, only the music/output matters to me.
So this is one of the catchiest choral pieces ever, right?https://youtube.com/watch?v=txW-fMrOnKE
>>123188329Scherchen once again the bridge between traditional and modernist in his recording. There's some pretty funny Viennese accents on this, though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrYDOKFDv1M&list=OLAK5uy_kc1JX6xK9g--D_PfLciB-Zr9RzKQG069w&index=2And, well, everyone should hear the FORBIDDEN recording at least once: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfpN9bciaK4
More Martinu:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPfu9kXeoW8
Isn't sad how Delibes entire output is overshadowed by The Flower Duet?Holst's works have been overshadowed by The Planets, but for it to be a single song, lol.
>>123190176Happens sometimes. Enescu's entire output is overshadowed by his first Romanian Rhapsody, despite much of his music being quite excellent.
>>123190077i have heard too much of beecham's messiah and i wish to hear no more.
huh, this is very, very good, one of my new go-to's for the 7th for surehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KqAGPP99sI&list=OLAK5uy_mkjrvLzDsuydKOsFUx70tZ-COYviX33Uk&index=1
Now Listening:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bCErxc9mqs
Prokofievhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbqHzYJ4Rc&list=OLAK5uy_kgfGONW2pCtuWRCNfMLIvDRfd7IvXICJc
Now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p-cs1B7qcU
>>123192300certified boulez moment
Bradehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVm7TPRLCvA&list=OLAK5uy_km3snYq4gKIt8EeZpwNauhglzmCtNkqDc
Glen Gould Pathetic Part 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cELMIRPiZw
>>123192422this kills the sistersister
>>123189702which one?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93RQstlOFvo&list=PLsJ2_h2wVl12y4u_nURYqeWBRvAkflgl9&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WiOEcKn-N4&list=OLAK5uy_nXcSKHTAxkxW6ozwxUXrgzovggVMQ3ZJo&index=12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYN7Zri-r34&list=OLAK5uy_m2nErblbE2nPk7u5b9w7gihu-vRvNJiRs&index=16
>>123192422>>123192427what does, you intentionally subjecting yourself to bad music?
>>123192473>Tilman Hoppstock>Winsome EvansRidiculous names
>>123192529lol
Which Cherubini Requiem recording: Markevitch / Czech Phil., Bernius / Hofkapelle, Toscanini / NBC, or other?
>>123192714whichever one you like best :)
>>123192725kek I haven't heard any at all is what I'm sayin'
Loving Klemperer's Brahms 2, might do an all Klemperer recording day. Some of his Bruckner, his Mahler 9, and then perhaps topping it off with either the German Requiem or Missa Solemnis.
Is there any notable music from Colonial America?
Telemannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-DaiWpyAAg&list=OLAK5uy_mSDOs7TuKp4vc0QE0k3AGYCGNKzFP7-cY
>>123193151Amazing Grace by John Newton?
>>123192928Probably the best Brahms Klemperer did was his recording of the 4th and his German Requiem. Well, the German Requiem is very well conducted but unfortunately DFD and Schwarzkopf are being their usual unidiomatic selves, even if they sing very well. There's a live variant from 1955 with Grummer and Prey who are much better.
>>123193804klemperer’s 4th is really not bad, i’m not sure why people shit on it so much.
>>123193930Does it get shit? Weird. It's by far his best performance from his symphony cycle.
>>123193979i’ve seen talkclassical shit on it before, which i don’t understand because it’s so much better than his acclaimed 1st (which i don’t really like at all)
And the award for the gayest classical performance goes to........ The Netherlands Bach Society withviolin Sonata in G major BWV 1021https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qekqd0elm6cTaking HIP to a new level
>>123194088I now understand why you never see black people on orchestras.
>>123194088HIPsters can never recover from this bullshit
>>123194088Being an artist of any type must be so disheartening in the contemporary world. Just surrounded by these jokes of human beings, who somehow think their totally insignificant additions and interpretations of traditional art matter in the slightest.
Alright OK I think the sister poster might have had a point about people not knowing how to dress themselves
>>123194155I don't know what's worse pretending to smoke indoors or pretending to drink what appears to be 0 alcohol beer
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXKW9OUKfls&list=OLAK5uy_mHAzJvlgiQPPSQS2ReKzXNpR0JHuXtIxw
>>123194438Love this recording and op. 103 (as well as many of the other choral song sets), nice to see someone else is a fan!
>>123194650Nice. I heard mov. 7 on the radio and took me a while to find that recording.
The movement has finished- I must start coughing
Beethoven's 1st symphony conducted by Count Orlok from Nosferatuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNisOKiIr4w
>>123189702I don't think cello sounds bad on its own. But bachs cello suites are not easy to understand. They take quite a few listenings before they click.
Reminder that Bach did not specify a harpsichord or even continuo in any of his Brandenburgs besides 5. Therefore any HIPster that includes one is not following the score and adding things on a whim, not very historically accurate if you ask me!
>>123195348I want to hear a completely romantic Brandenburg. Symphony orchestra, no period instruments and no harpsichord.
>>123195348Bach didn't specify on the score not to use a Yamaha DX-7 either
>>123195348reminder Anons on 4chan who avatarfag as Animeposter #X never know what they're talking about
>>123195447Difference is that you're talking about an addition. Adding a DX7 is ridiculous, of course. As ridiculous as adding a harpsichord
>>123195475You can't prove me wrong and you're mad!
>>123195348>>123195682>>123195714You're a faggotPost musichttps://youtube.com/watch?v=vdHFqIJ2Ew0
>>123193804>DFD and Schwarzkopf are being their usual unidiomatic selvesThey are fucking German, h9w can they be unidiomatic??
https://youtu.be/CvMhyp4W2bw?si=Xsxk7twEINkdAQipFuck your romantic faggotry.
Classical music peaked with Haydn's string quartets and it's been downhill ever since.
>>123193479A beacon of light in a thread where Brahms was mentioned five times.
>>123196936*Bach's Mass in B Minor
>>123197130Bach is dismal music for dreary people.
>>123196936>Haydn's string quartetsWeird way to spell Rachmaninoff's concertos but okay
>>123197161Sounds like you do not understand music
>>123195348Best proof of this is to look at how much better they sound without continuohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=3TBJiwgLh08&list=OLAK5uy_nmbRu42NT8zhz0TnQ4MCfPyUzhEt3ZP8o
Youtube interpreted "Mozart HIP" as Mozart Hip Hop:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE74LXJecOk&list=PLEC0F3938D2C80149&index=5
How Bach originally intended his music to soundhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBCFBjj3qCQ&list=PLEC0F3938D2C80149&index=9
Haydn Concerto in C Major,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ff1vU6J0hA
>>123196781same way karajan’s schumann and mozart is the most repulsive shit ever even though he’s just as austrogermanic as they are.
>>123195348Bach didn't specify a lot of things. Including tempo for many pieces. Like most things they're just going off of established performance practices for the day
>>123197943If a piece doesnt have tempo specified, you go and play it at the way you think works best musically.Adding an instrument that isnt even specified as "continuo" is like adding a drumset to a Mozart piano concerto and playing blast beats over it because mozart implied it
>>123196967all me btw
>>123198008>Adding an instrument that isnt even specified as "continuo" is like adding a drumset to a Mozart piano concerto and playing blast beats over it because mozart implied itNot really comparable, since you're adding in parts that weren't historically accurate for the day. They're obviously not idiomatic to the medium. I don't really like harpsichord continuo either, but it's a point of fact that if performers only followed exactly what Bach wrote, then you would be left with a pretty boring performance. Bach isn't a romantic-era composer that notated every single thing down, nearly every single recording of Bach *ever* makes a multitude of assumptions about how he wanted things played. That's part and parcel of baroque interpretation, since musicians were afforded much more freedom in those days and even into the classical era, until composers began to become more dictatorial in how they wanted their compositions performed.
>>123198408>but it's a point of fact that if performers only followed exactly what Bach wrote, then you would be left with a pretty boring performanceNo? Its way nicer if you do it without any of the bullshit additions added by HIPsters. Tge furtwrangler recording is cliser to the score and better than any with a harpsixhord
>there are goyim cattle in this thread retarded enough to engage in intelligent discourse with the turdwrangling avatarfagging pedophileglobal rule 13, you morons.
>>123198774Thank you Tranny Janny
>>123198921if i were a tranny janny i would have already deleted this bullshit myself. maybe i should really sign up to become one.
>>123198774I'll talk to and befriend whomever I want, Mom!https://youtube.com/watch?v=XnuYXVCPCZw
Franckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yzCzemSHLQ&list=OLAK5uy_mdx-4C-5zp4BIMxQs71gAA7JZ56l2qbNY
>a harpsichord continuo is super offensive >but Furtwangler's sloppy tempo and unidiomatic rubato is completely fine
Strausshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8wiqnCRSPU&list=OLAK5uy_n48tQudJRR4e37yDTvP-Lr1k9CAH0POQE
>>123199334Yes, those are beautiful. Harpsichords arent
>poopsmearer>beautifulLMFAO
>>123199557More than a harpsichord
>>123199567>>123199490>>123198701>>123198008>>123195714>>123195682>>123195348anime sexo
>>123199490Perhaps you'd prefer the Clavichord?
>>123199737he prefers children
>>123199770Senko is not a child, dummy!>>123199737I prefer piano
>>123194765based and coof-pilled
I reconnected with a friend from High School who was really into classical and played the piano, and we got to talking about music and I told him I was really feeling Brahms and he said he hadn't heard any! So I suggested he listen to Brahms 4 ("Symphony no. 4?" he replied) -- and a couple days later I asked him how it was and he said it was okay, he wasn't quite feeling it yet, and I told him 'Well, try the Kleiber recording next time' and after he did he said 'wow, that's incredible, the one I listened to sounded nothing like that.' Point of all this is, I shudder to think what recording he did listen to!
>>123200043>I shudder to think what recording he did listen toYeh, fucking intense dude!
>>123200065Music and art are serious business!
>>123200043now introduce him to an actual good recording like markevitch or van beinum
>>123200172Well now you're just being a contrarian. Besides, he said his three favorite composers were Ravel, Chopin, and Rach, so he's probably beyond saving with your suggestions.
let's get glacialalso didn't know Klemperer had his own compositions
>>123200184kleiber's brahms 4 isn't bad, but it's really not that amazing. i guess it has more personality than his forgettable beethoven 5 and 7, but that's not saying much. >>123200219klemperer wrote a ton of music no one ever records because it's dismal. also that mahler 7 is one of the worst mahler recordings ever made, may the lord have mercy on your soul.
>>123198231Grim.>>123195348>>123195682>>123195714>>123198008>>123198701>>123199490>>123199567>>123199802You're too based for this thread.
>>123200233Is Brittten really the best (read: only good) conductor-composer of recent times? I guess Boulez.
>>123200331boulez and britten are good composers? news to me.
>>123200349Yeah it was on the frontpage of all the newspapers yesterday morning, you must have missed it
>>123200359wonder when they’ll put out a statement retracting it since it’s obviously false
>>123200377kekSo Stravinsky and Mahler then are the last two?
>>123200380stravinsky is definitely not a good conductor, there’s a reason why there really aren’t any recordings of stravinsky conducting anything other than his own music (and even in that regard he’s extremely bland). webern was also apparently a very competent conductor, but we don’t have any recordings of his conducting. depending on your definition of good, bernstein may count. i personally wouldn’t consider him though.
>>123200406>stravinsky is definitely not a good conductor, there’s a reason why there really aren’t any recordings of stravinsky conducting anything other than his own music (and even in that regard he’s extremely bland).Ah okay, you're right I just inferred that since there are acclaimed recordings of him conducting his own music he must have been a bonafide quality conductor in general. And I considered Bernstein but I haven't heard his music and figured bringing him up with you was an exercise in futility. Must be somewhat decent though if Shaw recorded one of his choral works, I should listen to that.
>>123200424i mean, bernstein's music is popular enough that it receives recordings from other conductors semi-regularly, but i wouldn't take that as a metric of quality by any stretch, just that he is one of the most recent examples of a major composer-conductor. i also forgot to mention that markevitch wrote a lot of music that's barely ever been recorded, but it does exist.
>>123200219get <--- instead
Glenn Gould could play sensibly when he wanted tohttps://youtu.be/lNshZQO2CO4?si=W4cyevPThIsJ3J3I
>>123200406>webern was also apparently a very competent conductor, but we don’t have any recordings of his conductinghttps://youtu.be/E7rXdAJanlA?si=C5XZsLQGTeCQdrmd
>>123200459really? where?
>>123200483i forgot that we have this and the extremely terrible poorly recorded berg violin concerto under his baton. he really was quite skilled; too bad he was literally murdered by a braindead amerimutt.
Was Schoenberg a poor conductor?
>>123200513maybe not a good or great one, but definitely not poor. https://youtu.be/KiAiZ_PsNWY?si=QuMxKPaNCOrB8sWd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuOz2jtLwCI4 Ballades, Op. 10: No. 4 in B Major - Andante con moto gg
>>123200523oooo neat
William Byrd is a top-5 composer of all timehttps://youtu.be/q2oA1M6nnkk?si=Msf4PxZIPPCgQDTchttps://youtu.be/mHVpZLO-2CI?si=sduw3mZ9uB7sClDh
>>123200437buh buh buuuuh buh / buh buh buuuuh buh / buh buh buh buhbuhbuhbuh buhbuh buhbuh buhSo fuckin' good
>>123200513He was decent, we just don't have very many record of him actually conducting. Apparently he was pretty decent soloist as well. He wanted to play the cello with the Hollywood quartet the next time that they played the Schubert quintet.
>>123200331Depends on your definition of recent but Enescu passes the bar IMO
>>123200331Furtwangler was a composer too
now playingstart of Symphony No. 1 in G Minor:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obyKt_yjIHU&list=OLAK5uy_nO_oytKMK22wlDXhS5ww9PwXN_rUMDK2E&index=2start of Symphony No. 2 in A Major:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISLOB9bGVlA&list=OLAK5uy_nO_oytKMK22wlDXhS5ww9PwXN_rUMDK2E&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nO_oytKMK22wlDXhS5ww9PwXN_rUMDK2E
>>123201036a terrible one, much like his dogshit conducting
>>123201165This first symphony is wonderful, highly recommended to all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JorOfWqM0
>>123201431not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>123201447only classical tards obsess about playing fast/slow. modern genres set the bpm to whatever they intended.
>>123200629>?si=bruh
>>123201498not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
Much better without a harpsichord.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LoVKa67QZI
>>123201540nopehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rpClQh-tw8
>>123201595Thank you HIPster sister
What's the other avatarfag's thoughts on Karl Böhm?
>>123201653slow ass nazi conductor, even karajan is better
>>123201513Would you be able to identify me by that?
>>123201513You what?
>>123201431Rolling around at the speed of sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-amO2T-pPDo&list=PLBgagen1f2_-KTasbAWGC5m-tQXrso8Bq&index=5
>>123201701pseudWagner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTx-vgZzj1E
>>123201746yes
npFavorite Bruckner 4s?
>>123196936Classical music peaked with Mozart's Haydn Quartets, yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzUimEzDV9U
>>123202035bohm
>>123202053It seems that one is as close to a definitive recording of any of Bruckner's symphonies that exists. Maybe this Klemperer one will challenge it though, we'll see.
Hughes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m09-m1I8T1o&list=OLAK5uy_lz8_fMWgr2ekftgEFOWPuWFQMJlWJbxvk
>>123202035This was actually a little disappointing. I wish I could explain it better, the performance in the first movement was a bit dry. I switched to the Karajan / BPO recording right after the first and I'm liking it so much more; richer sound, actual emotion and poetry.Karajan's:https://youtube.com/watch?v=GIHvGZ344FMKlemperer's:https://youtube.com/watch?v=6nWDrPcDN7Y
>>123202613karajan? emotional? news to me
>we want the yacht rock audience
>>123202625I've always found his Bruckner to be.
>>123202632My all time favourite classical album covers are when Karajan stopped pretending to give a shit and put himself on his private yacht/plane/motorbike on the covers.
>>123201701Shit tastehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfsgfxr-jp4
>>123202886LOL
The fact that Wagner transforms the Venusberg music into the "pulse of life" music is astounding. I had never noticed they were connected before, but it makes the dualism between sensuality and spirit so much less severe and shows they're just two sides of one person.This is dramatic music. Music expressing dramatic truths. Just genius!
>>123202886A shame re-issues don't use those covers.
>>123202886I love the old cover in the top-left:>He used to give a shit...
>>123203091so true wagnersister, so true.
>>123203091My kind of writing on music. Thanks for the post. I wish I could read these kinds of things about all the classical music I listen to and love. Seems to be far more prevalent in literature, with music you just get a lot of technical theory stuff. Important to be sure but since I'm not a composer or musician or musicologist, it doesn't interest me; I care more about what the art 'does,' what it says. I only care about how it works in literature.
>>123203171the art doesn't "do" any of that, it's just wagnerites smoking crack as usual.
Brittenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM8nUAaM5eQ&list=OLAK5uy_nnW86F9Vk8KSN33jY18622oZ-h8TEeU_gI wonder why The Young Person's Guide to Orchestra is his most famous piece when it's just a piece by Purcell.
>>123203185You know of any essays or writings of that sort on Mahler's symphonies that you can recommend?
>>123203185>>123203212And speaking of Wagner, I very much love his writings of this type on Beethoven's op. 131. No crack involved!
>>123203212just read henri louis de la grange's books on mahler.
>>123203238no, that's literally the epitome of smoking fucking crack while listening to music. literally none of that bullshit has any basis in reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGh6az5CbgIs this the best performance of Beethoven's 7th?
>>123203330karajan's beethoven fucking sucks
>>123203240Neat, thanks.>>123203254Oh :( Does art music really not express complex ideas in that manner? And is rather 'just' shades of the comic/tragic divide in emotional terms? I suppose that's fine if so, it is the 'purest' artistic form after all, the absolute molding of form and content, etc etc., and there's plenty of depth to be had in riling those emotions, but it'd be more fun if it did content deeper, more complex themes and content like that.
>>123203355>it'd be more fun if it did content deeper, more complex themes and content like that.it does, it's called program music. beethoven has nothing to do with that.
>>123203349Why?
>>123203369My bad, I didn't mean of that type, I should have left out the word 'content.' So when you listen to, say, Beethoven's op. 131, what do you feel or think, if you don't mind me asking?>>123203330I think Karajan's Beethoven is excellent.
>>123203385completely smears over the entire orchestra with homogenized strings and brass. his orchestra may as well not have a woodwind section.
>>123203405>what do you feel or thinkabout the dramatic development of the themes and motifs over the form of the piece, and the ways in which forms are exploited to further the impact of the thematic development. >I think Karajan's Beethoven is excellent.you think wrong
>>123203411I can hear them fine in this recording that I posted.
>>123203450And what emotions?
>>123203465not that you would know, since you have no idea what beethoven sounds like with forward, timbrally distinct woodwinds. >>123203473the entirety of op.131 effectively spans the entire gamut of human emotion, you're going to have to be more specific.
>>123203491>not that you would know, since you have no idea what beethoven sounds like with forward, timbrally distinct woodwinds.I mean, I can hear them fine. What's more to say about that? Can you point out which part has it buried and which recording is preferable in that regard?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BLmgGTltiJUExplain to me how this piece is not in sonata form in every way except literally. It introduces, develops and recapitulates its themes
>>123203503compare karajan's gooey slop to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPu-B2MWW7or thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8xpcObyawIand it should be abundantly clear that the wind parts are utterly inaudible in karajan's tuttis. >>123203518explain to me how it can be in sonata form without a second subject in a contrasting key.
>>123203582>explain to me how it can be in sonata form without a second subject in a contrasting key.There are multiple pieces which dont do that
>>123203582first link is broken for some reasonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPu-B2MWW78>>123203616then those pieces aren't in sonata form. the fundamental point of sonata form is that a second key area in the exposition is resolved to the home key area in the recapitulation. even haydn's monothematic sonata forms do this.
>>123203582>>123203640I don't know, doesn't really sound like Karajan is any worse for wear by comparison to these two. If anything he's way more dramatic and incisive
>>123203933karajan is absolutely not more dramatic or incisive than szell lol, what the fuck are you smoking
>>123203933Just different tastes. Nothing wrong with preferring Karajan's.
>>123203330I don't know about best, but not having listened to the 7th in a longtime, I played this one yesterday and loved it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KqAGPP99sI&list=OLAK5uy_mkjrvLzDsuydKOsFUx70tZ-COYviX33Uk&index=1
>>123203933Also the Szell recording sounds unrealistically bright to my ears. I've heard Beethoven's 7th in concert many times, it doesn't sound like this
>>123203966there is such a thing as bad taste, and karajan’s beethoven is a good example>>123203998that’s because modern orchestras all sound like knockoffs of karajan’s berlin with thick strings and homogenous woodwinds.
>>123204018No I mean the recording itself, not really the sound of the orchestra. Sounds way too hot Maybe it sounds like that if you have a front row seat
>>123204037it’s both the fact that modern string sections have no bite and 50s-70s columbia recording equipment being on the slightly brighter side. you can clearly hear a difference between the sound of cleveland under szell and, say, NYPO under bernstein, or the columbia symphony (basically the LAPO) under walter.
>>123204018>there is such a thing as bad taste, and karajan’s beethoven is a good exampleI agree on the first point, but disagree that anything which has reached the level of acclaim and prominence as his cycle could be an example of that, my own personal feelings and enjoyment of the recordings aside.
>>123204155horenstein’s mahler is plenty acclaimed too, but it’s atrocious. plenty of shitty recordings get acclaimed thanks to extramusical factors (marketing and distribution usually)
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J3Gnr0pihI&list=OLAK5uy_m5SnsjIDBxU89-xZlY0ih65djoYXmlgJE&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m5SnsjIDBxU89-xZlY0ih65djoYXmlgJE
best Art of Fugue on Organ?
why does this site even have rules if they are not enforced? We had a gay Anon avatarfaggin as a girl for like 15 posts and he wasn't banned for it.
>>123205417that's not what avatarfagging is
Whats you're favorite Martinu Symphony.
>>123205447I should not have to explain this but yes, using the same character every time you post so that people recognize who you are is E X A C T L Y what avatarfagging is. You are using that character as your avatar.
Messagerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBb3akaouV8&list=OLAK5uy_lrs_8mMthzaTKbmf2CFpnxanaDWS6j97w
>>123205466it's not how the jannies define it unfortunatelyin their terms, avatarfagging is what you just said *and* they're pretending to act like the character in addition to it. i've literally been banned before for "wrongly reporting avatarfagging" lol
>>123205417we have 2 avatarfags in this thread and the faggot jannies have never done anything about them. it’s insufferable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEjANevZVfw
>>123205686temperament trannies are so annoying
>>123205524that must've just been a retarded mod.
>>123205686he's right
Heinrichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vs4BGSBk-8&list=OLAK5uy_nBUtDLJoeKA-djuIraTmtLAks-yjpO8O8
Nigg (LOL)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4KCklCMoTU&list=OLAK5uy_kjVrybDjMpg3V9DvfI_hq1Kh0c_jbPeNs
now playingstart of Cello Concerto in E Minor, Op. 58:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAvUi-JNc28&list=OLAK5uy_lChk8LUDvz28KO_QRHt2iO7vHNsKRtnzs&index=1start of Sinfonia concertante for Cello and Orchestra, Op. 125:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzev1SgqrDQ&list=OLAK5uy_lChk8LUDvz28KO_QRHt2iO7vHNsKRtnzs&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lChk8LUDvz28KO_QRHt2iO7vHNsKRtnzsLitton's Prokofiev is terrific, highly recommend his symphonic cycle. I'm sure this recording will be of similar quality, which'll be nice because I've never been fully satisfied with any recording of these works.
>>123205969;o
>the first song I learned was fur elise
np
>>123205395https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3j9Npr1LoM&list=OLAK5uy_kkCBf931NQXhLeTiVqLcxgxY3VC0tzcdI&index=6
>>123207606>>123200437I do not recommend either of these.
>>123208073very good indeed, thank you. I will check out that one along with Walcha and Rogg
Equal temperament is the only good temperament. Everything else sounds like horrid nonsense.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FnP2pd4-shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDsl7lQYAohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVdH0kQFUXshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvn6b9GOLo4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oYvcY3IzXQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWYyQEp1LX4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQu9NmRX024https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNQNtNqJtSA
If Furtwanglers recording of brandenburg 5 is so bad, what is a better recording that isnt HIPster nonsense that doesn't include a harpsichord (which wasnt specified in the score)
>>123209898https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26O1f-IKRpY&t=479
Any non-HIP recording of Vivaldis L'estro armonico?
>>123209984https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eonlC5Z9mTY
>>123209930>>123210034Thank you tranime sister.
>>123210186you're welcome.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1wl0VbFFts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs2NVAVkyagBaroque concertos sound much better when not having HIPster sister nonsense applied to it.
Is this the most beautiful piece Beethoven ever wrote?https://youtu.be/J8agX8a6x7E
>>123211204https://youtu.be/618Ucl9HxZ0
>>123211520no.
>>123189412Any fans of Chistoph Graupner's Gott sei uns gnädig?
Posting HIP to anger tranime sisterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIebhdXtmHA
>>123212724Is this even historically accurate? What is the basis for any of this? Is there any recording that is actually historically accurate?
>>123212738I dont know, reinhard goebel is pretty cool though
>>123211520Yes. The Heiliger Dankgesang is the greatest thing he ever did.
>>123212724God this sounds so shit compared to even the fartwrangler recording of this piece. How can HIPsters make such ugly sounds?
>>123212831Forgot your tranime pic
>More I listen to Karl Richter and more I am convinced that he has been an invention of the discographic industry. He deliberately ignored the baroque musical practice, notwithstanding in the 1960s and 1970s there were scholars who investigated this matter. He often used instruments in arbitrary way, transverse flute and English horn instead of recorder and oboe da caccia. YouTubers elude more valid directors and soloists who have been actual pioneers in the historical performance, like Ralph Kirkpatrick, August Wenzinger and Eduard Melkus. They were much better musicians than other their contemporaries and achieved the worth to have investigated the ancient treaties to restore the right approach to this music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geqRUuxCi7A
>>123213011Another metronomic performance from Karl Richter with a horrible sounding harpsichord.
>>123213047>t. Guy from the commentsRichter is the only harpsichordist that has a non shit sound.
>>123213171>nuh-uh!Very convincing argument
let's start the day withhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=f5NcUgl0NQ0may we all have a great day! how can you not starting the day with music like thisnote: I mistyped the captcha 5 times, that does not bode well
>>123213202What is even the argument?>He plays it too precisely and i dont subjectively like how his instrument soundsRetardation
>>123213396Metronomic tempo has nothing to do with precision. You might as well listen to a MIDI at this point, Richter's performance is robotic and sterile and just as bad as any other HIPster.
>>123213202>>123213396>>123213405>>123213011His Brandenburgs are unmatched still. They're good enough that one has been shot into space for alien species to enjoy.
>>123213522The Munch recording is really good toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44uO1NvbkPU
>>123213522They suffer from the same issue that all Richter recordings do in their sterility. The only tolerable Richter recordings are the choral ones since he usually obtained excellent singers.
>>123213564He also stokowski'd the fuck out of the cantatas, which sounds awesome.
I greatly enjoy Richter's WTC and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
>>123213695i'm pretty sure they're talking about karl, not sviatoslav
>>123213738Ah yes, my bad.
>>123213695There are people who don't enjoy S. Richter's WTC?
>>123209813For the folks at home who aren’t aware explain what equal temperament is
>>123205417Have you read (((the rules))) recently? They’re terrible be glad they’re generally not enforced.
>>123214982most are pretty reasonableyou sound like a shitposter
>>123214982no, they’re actually pretty sound and their lack of enforcement is what is killing this thread
>>123213522>so bad we had to send it over to aliens so that at least they may get some enjoyment out of it
>>123214982The only one that never made sense was global rule 8.
>>123213405retarded rubatofag
What to listen to, what to listen to...
>>123215348https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VChnvJEHYGk
I think the problem with the harpsichord is that the HIP perfromers picks the first and oldest one they can find. I dunno if it was Hurwitz or the guy who made the list of definitive Bach recordings for Forbes who said that, but I think he was right.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EL3QYeIBfI
>>123215423Is this what the kids refer to as shoegaze?
>>123215459The age doesn't really matter so long as it sounds good. Richter and Landowska both used some of the most garbage, tinny sounding harpsichords known to man.
I fuckin' love Mahler's 1st Symphony, one of my favorite works of music to start the day with
>>123215459https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQD_J4T58Cw I prefer grand harpischords like the one Staier uses in his WTC recording. His instrument covers a very wide spectrum of sonorous possibilities, to the point where you could say it sounds like multiple instruments.
>>123216072the harpsichord at best sounds like a harp but isn't as flexible so why play it?Now listening:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0x6GxbIF_c
>>123216109Flexibility seems like a weird criteria to me. You could say that the harpsichord's greatest weakness is its lack of dynamic range, but that can very well depend on the model and in some ways it's beneficial. BWV 1052, even at its best, always sounds a bit wrong to me on a piano, whereas on a proper harpsichord, due to its volume and lack of dynamic range, it can really stampede through the accompanying orchestra and assert its dominance. For solo works I'm pretty OK whether or not it's a piano or a harpsichord, especially for something like WTC I'm more interested in the performer's take than their choice of instrument.
>>123189412https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKdCTmcTLsPollini plays Chopin Op. 10 No. 4.
>>123215939With oldest I meant they found it on a garage sale and didn't bother to fix it or renovate it, lol.
>>123215049Coping hard, I see
Thoughts on the conductor Manfred Honeck?
>>123216517Probably one of the better living conductors, but unfortunately he's on the Reference Recordings label which has very muddy, dynamically compressed sound. His old Exton recordings are much better sonically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXAv-NGppFw pretty much always does a great Dvorak 8th.
>>123216613Thanks! Added a recording of his Dvorak 8, which also includes a Janacek symphonic suite. Also just downloaded his Mahler 1.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFN5rZgo_sY&list=OLAK5uy_mjCAbIlof9kjwnYROqu7RHOr912V5yTlQ&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mjCAbIlof9kjwnYROqu7RHOr912V5yTlQ
>>123216517for some reason he really likes Dvorak 8. when he guest conducts there a big chance that he will program Dvorak 8 or a Tchaikovsky symphony.
Saw someone here refer to Dudamel as 'Dudameme' once and now I can't read or pronounce his name any other way.
>>123216696this is stellar btw, highly recommended for fans of Tchaikovsky 5 or good music!
>>123216808Ah lol noted. He conducts across the country (Pittsburgh ye?) so doubt I ever will, I was more interested in his recordings, but still nice to know.
>>123189412There should be more Hip performances that use the Pleyel piano for Chopin or those old pianos with moderators for Beethoven and Mozart
https://youtu.be/9hVFCmK6GgM?si=rr3yWYMWyl5p5VWhThis is a million times more beautiful than any piano piece from the 1800s.
bait is supposed to be believable, RYMsister
>>123217224its basically a mediocre Satie piece. And this is cage at his best, why is he considered to be this musical god again?
>>123217235
>>123217224Imagine being this wrong.Chopin is worlds ahead of any pianist dead or alive in sheer beauty and melodicism. There is nothing like a Chopin's Ballade, save a Bach fugue or a Beethoven Sonata, maybe.
>>123217398Chopin? Shitpan
>>123217436Even Gould admitted that Chopin was perfect in HIS way of playing, unfortunately Gould had a completely different brain 'structure' probably from mutation of some sort, that combined with his extreme autism did not allow him to enjoy the real piano music as much as his own 'way' of playing - awful by every objective criteria
I love Clavichord's cause they look and sound like such pieces of shit. They look like they're going to break at any moment, it's a shame they aren't used more
>>123217536I wholeheartedly agree.
>like some details in X recording>others in Y recording>can't choose which one to listen toDoes thos happen to you? If so, how often?
>>123217533>Gould had a completely different brain 'structure' probably from mutation of some sort, that combined with his extreme autismSounds like the sisterposterI think he just didn't like Chopin that much-doesn't mean he had a mutated brain lol.>as much as his own 'way' of playing - awful by every objective criteria If that was true he wouldn't have been a world class concert pianist and recording pianist
>>123217589just open audacity and make a remix bro
>>123217589Often enough, I guess. I'm very much obsessed with minute details in balances to the point where I can sometimes get lost in small details over the big picture. There was a time in my life where I obsessed over recordings of Der Ring. Up to 2017, I had heard literally every recording of the piece up to then.
>>123217632How many recordings is that?
>>123217651I couldn't tell you. Maybe around 50.
damn Dvorak's Othello Overture is bombhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=NcaFMd7EgNk
>>123217287RYMsisters never cease to embarrass themselves>>123217398romantiturds never cease to embarrass themselves>>123217612nah, he definitely had brain damage. nothing else can explain his atrocious playing and retarded babbling
>>123217589That's part of the fun, no definitive recording, but a variety of excellent ones each with their own nuances and strengths and appeal.
lets get JansonsAlso I'mma try it anyway, but how's Jansons' Bruckner? Gonna listen to his 8th later today.
>>123217720not having a definitive recording is extremely irritating, i like comparing interpretations as much as the next guy, but i like having a default recording to fall back on as well.
>>123217713Thank you for your diagnosis Dr Tranz Jan Itor
>>123217797Well, I guess I just don't see what's wrong with having a couple or more defaults, or as I call them, "go-to's." Sometimes I have 2, sometimes as many as 4.
>>123213011>>123213522Richter absolutely EATS in the famous video version of the Brandenburgs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhMdAdRtT8sWords can't express how much I hate HIPfags killing early music with the idea that rich, thick harmonies are "inauthentic". Fucking autists.
>>123217803obsessed as always, concern troll>>123217813i prefer to have just one
>>123217982>Dr Tranitor PHD in Gender Studies, Bachelor in Music Communication diagnoses the patient Glen Gould with Differential Brain-Itis, Autism and Gender Dysphoria. Were the patient still alive, the Doctor would recommend an immediate course of Hormone Replacement Therapy followed by Gender Reassignment surgery
>>123218096obsessed as always, concern troll
I will admit it's somewhat uneven, but if I had to take one WTC recording to a desert island I would choose Gulda's. Just consistently interesting. Gulda was one of the few modern pianists who was a creative artist, not just a performer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy8yK-o8c
Now Playing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFLzDd1q0mo
What is the HIPest mozarto Piano Concerto 20 recording? I want something extremely autistic that tries to sound as close as possible to the original performance
>>123218304added a different recording of this (that one isn't on YouTube Music), and some other Martinu stuff (string quartets, violin concerto, an orchestral works collection, etc), thanks
>>123218280https://youtu.be/Hu7F1QPwB-8?t=222he's kinda funny
What does the thread think of martinu?
>>123218945hilariously retarded
I'm just a poor... wayfaring stranger...
>>123219231traveling through this thread below.
Nielsenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yormjOwcQSk&list=OLAK5uy_lv7nQbdjizFsKvkvmyaJ6UuqGdNywXwAA
>>123219349But there's no sickness toil or sisterposting In that bright thread to which I go
>>123219231>>123219349>>123219455I've always heard the line the world below this world of woe and I think its better that way.
>>123218945By Mozart?
Does anyone know why these threads still get bummed past 300?
New>>123219608>>123219608>>123219608
>>123219557because the bump limit is 310 thats why
