Bach Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT-JUf5XW0Y>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread:>>123189412
All the concertos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HbHwLMcWr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rYVcbgpw-ISuch a rare gem of the baroque era
I like a lot of classical music.I like Wagner, Holst, Beethoven, Orff, Tchaikovsky etc. and even new guys like Glass and Nyman, However, I'm too stupid to get Bach. I even like Steve Reich, which doesn't seem too far from Bach. I'm not a big fan of Handel either, so maybe it's just a Baroque thing?What am I missing, or will I never get it?
>>123219733https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR6HAI8KnoUsomeday it will click, don't worry
What is the HIPest mozart piano concerto 20?
>>123219733You probably like 'theatricality' in music. Bach lacks that theatricality.
>>123219733https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfHY22Ew1cWatch this, then listen to the fugue
>>123219608Handel >>> Bach
>>123219908Chopin > both
>>123219733holy fucking reddit
>>123219927don't be sarcastic.
>>123219932people having opinions you disagree with is reddit apparently. perhaps it's you who should go back.
>>123219939Oops meant to reply to >>123219908
the absolute state of these threads. fucking hell.
>>123220052Thank you squidward
>>123219927>>123219969romantiturds never cease to embarrass themselves>>123219956not really, just you. >>123220125thank you dirty bubble
>>123220151time to dilate, TJ.
>>123219733focus on the harmonic progression instead of trying to listen for a main melody
>>123220151ywnbaw, spammer janny.
>>123219908>>123219927*vomits*
Chopin is the GOAT.
>>123220283Gayest Of All Time
>>123220387>GayestBut anon Chopin is a very sad boi.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxL9lPFhEqQ
>>123219608Bach Family ReunionThe laptop is authentic to the kind found in early 18th century Germany btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSQpEnaIpS4Bach, the serious church musician? Bach, the bohemian? In this small-scale, theatrical concert entitled 'Bach's Family Reunion', the Netherlands Bach Society shows the composer's many faces, plus those of colleagues around him, including Telemann.Shunske Sato, former artistic leader of the Bach Society: “We know so little about Bach, but the few things we do know - plus of course his music - give insight into the versatility of his character. Bach was not only the serious church musician, but also the man of improvisations and joyful folk songs. Bach was fiery and serious at the same time. He was a diligent man, he searched and dug deep, was always striving to become even better. For mediocrity, therefore, he had no patience. But he was also a bohemian, an epicurean, a lover of the then still exotic coffee. And of good food. An account exists of a trip to Halle; the dinner and tobacco costs exceeded the travel expenses. That is so significant."
>>123220435ash worshippers are cringe.
>>123220166thank you obsessed concern troll>>123220206put your trip back on, pedophile kraut>>123220419yeah, a sad faggot>>123220435kill HIPsters. behead HIPsters. roundhouse kick a HIPster into the concrete. slam dunk a HIPster into the trash can.
Alkanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCkSflqiZ3c&list=OLAK5uy_nwypFMHYTr489QVZ3w0QQrNs8YA687usA
The big boy
>>123220476ok, TJ.
>>123220419A sad chad. Chopincels stay winning.
>>123220491thank you obsessed concern troll>>123220495more like a sad fag
Medtnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=838e-7R71eM&list=OLAK5uy_ksA4SuDi0reV8dEQ-TMMgZHBDstHi5Rys
Now Playing - Schumann: Works for Oboe and Pianohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knp7bhanoDE&list=OLAK5uy_kZ0YSWcWqALc1_0vznkia9NOHN4hp9iB0&index=2
>>123220787I really like that cover. Also, question for the bros in the thread, Debussy or Satie?
>>123220886satie is barely a classical composer
>>123220886Ravel. next question.
>briefly features music from Das RheingoldWbros, we're eatin good!
>>123219098Enjoying what little I've listened to thus far.
>>123220969No way.
>>123221001The first Alien film had the best soundtrack.
>>123221055yes way.
>>123221061Of course, I'm not contesting that. Goldsmith always did good work.Does anyone know what instrument is making that weird horn sound at 0:55?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720ahj1QB7E
>>123221061put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>123221146who?
>>123219733:As the other anon said don't worry, someday Bach will click. I'd recommend checking out the Brandenburg Concertos, which every human being under the sun likes. It's not quite Bach writing symphonies, but it's his biggest orchestral and non-choral work. And the opposite way, try the English Suites (Murray Peraiha does a great recording), just pure rhythmic dancing solo piano works, much more approachable than the complicated fugues he's famous for but little less brilliant.
>>123221212the pedophile kraut tripfag who grooms kids on discord
>>123221367sounds like you, TJ.
>>123221389obsessed as always, concern troll
>>123221469calm your breast implants, TJ.
>>123221511obsessed as always, concern troll
>>123220917
>>123221567impressionitwits never cease to embarrass themselves
>>123221591>impressionitwits
>>123219733>I even like Steve Reich, which doesn't seem too far from Bach.
>>123221632don’t let the door hit you on your way out
Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEgRCLZyvzc&list=OLAK5uy_lbzsGgvdYNsXYf0XK9_6rcPraMGCBj5tg
Can I get some reccs for Vivaldi's L'estro armonico?
How in the FUCK are you supposed to play this?My left hand aches like a bitch. My right hand is all cramped for space because it needs to fit under the left hand playing 9ths and 10ths.This motherfucker just lets it rip at 3:53 and I have no fucking idea what kind of black magic he called upon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0ccMib1sFM
>>123220419that just sounds like the average faggot so I don't see your point.
>>123220886Debussy
>>123219893Wtf he does a direct fifths right off the bat that bastard
I like Gardiner’s recordings of Bach’s compositions, but it gets on my nerves how, in every interview I’ve seen with him, he tries to make Bach out to be this deeply troubled, emotional wreck. Usually with the flimsiest of evidence too.
HIPsters? projecting? say it ain’t so
>>123223974the reports of Bach's polyphonic skills are exaggerated.
>>123224119meant for:>>123223890
>>123223890>>123219893it's not even written in invertible counterpoint. what a moron, lol.
>>123224796>invertible counterpointUseless shite.
Sex with Wang on her gigantic piano as she plays the Hammerklavier with her right hand only and audience is disappointed...
>>123224886to morons like you, yes.
>>123219608Glen Gould on Bach https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bP-te0P_rE8&t=168s&pp=2AGoAZACAQ%3D%3DFirst broadcast only two days after his wonderful Brahms Dm concerto with Leonard Bernstein
>>123224976It doesn't make a difference to the listener, you are the moron trying to make it sound like it does. Kill yourself immediatelly.
brown hands typed this post:>>123225029
Obese dirty hands types this post:>>123225040
>>123225061Fag.
>>123225073mongoloid.
>>123225098Subhuman.
>>123225126janny.
>>123225147Newfag.
>>123219608Glen Gould playing Bach’s Chromatic Fantasia in Dm(a piece which he hated)https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e3pizBY136E&pp=ygUnYmFjaCBjaHJvbWF0aWMgZmFudGFzaWEgYW5kIGZ1Z3VlIGdvdWxk
>>123225426Why do a lot of really good pianists have these stupid autistic mannerisms?Incredible tone and articulation; I'll give him that.
It's hip to be squarehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDavtD6P0uI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNEnzNHTkd8
Someone told me to come here from /metal/ if I'm not a poser, cause I'm a "thinking man". I'm "thinking" that the "genre" of classical music, with its pretensions to being uniquely "art" among styles, is a dead genre for sonic necrophiles to see who can act like the biggest smug, backward elitist over. What us the "classical scene" up to? Oh... acting as human jukeboxes for music no one wants to hear that is 200 years old? Not a lot of thumos in that. Not a lot of life. And you hate everything new. And you hate everything metal. And you killed your own genre through deifications of composers. Classical music is a heretical pantheon of boys treated as Gods.
>>123226088Beautiful sound on that oboe
>>123226151You could try Jon Lefis Hekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AQ24wuylqIand gaysir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndf2kGf82oUor The Rite of Spring electric guitar arrangement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFG70gFbvOg&list=PL4f18WuwYZcrpVZeodH5h592mjGI3Gk0m&index=13>>123226178It's gorgeous
>>123226217No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnpaMm_2QYc
>>123221315>>123219878I mean his cantatas are way more perfect for getting into him. They're way more theatrical and very obviously the works he had the most love for.I'd recomment BWV 35, 29, 10 and 147
What is the most autistic HIP set of mozart piano concerto recordings?
>>123226384That model is from Fallout New Vegas isn't it?
>>123225442It's not that they have those mannerisms, it's just that every pianist after Gould has been copying those mannerisms so people can think they are geniuses.
>>123226151Right now classical scene is up to DEI spamBlack and women concerts and nobody else gets any say
>>123227200Idk man back when I was waging I cut and hurt my hands so often I could only play a little window each month so after I retired early I autistically protect my hands now
>>123226151Metaltrannies trying not to be embarassing subhumans challenge (impossible)
Mahler? I barely know her!
Here's Musica Ricercate 7 by the great Romantic composer Ligeti arranged for synth and thereminhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRQiiPDXTGo&list=PLPHEscly00pht3UWpLVBJzCbKtpHTN0b0&index=3
Aquarium by SS on Theremin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZJhcmNlsoE
>>123220787added this recording, thanks, as well as some other recordings of Brendel playing Schumann.>>123216064>>123228794I gotta say, as much as I love the 1st and really enjoy the 2nd, the final movements in each are kind of a mess, and really detract from the quality established by each up until that point.
>>123229419I agree with you on the finale of M1. In fact, I hardly listen to it anymore, just the first three movements. But as for M2, I think the finale is the absolute high point and the march after the drum roll is my favorite part of the entire symphony.
>>123229486>In fact, I hardly listen to it anymore, just the first three movementsThat's not a bad idea!And ah ye? I have been finding myself enjoying the 2nd a lot more as of late, so maybe I'll eventually come around on the final movement.
>>123226384Dunno
Why are the dutch performers so often HIPsters? They even have a HIP performance of their own anthemyoutube.com/watch?v=0YgurxOm_e4
Remember Widerstehe doch der Sünde, very importanthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqO4Npbo_WM
Might go through some of Stokowski's box sets and assorted recordings, starting with his Scriabin Poem of Ecstasy right now off the Decca collection:https://youtube.com/watch?v=vKobF1Be7QoWhy? Couldn't tell ya.
>>123229664That, unironically is an excellent question
Any other great orchestral versions of the Art of Fugue? Or is it just Scherchen and Munchinger?
>>123229664The dutch have always been "we're so le quirky and different than everybody else", always, even their language just sounds like somebody speaking german in a silly retarded way.
>>123229664How are they more HIP than the Britons?
>>123229664the dutch are mentally ill, it's the only reasonable explanation. >>123229939so are the british, though thankfully this is common knowledge
>>123229718Why is it being sung by a dude?
>>123229918German is retarded Dutch. German shifted its consonants which Dutch refused to. Dutch is close to its germanic roots while German is people intentionally mispronouncing and speaking like braindead apes.
>>123229950>problem?
>>123229951It's supposed to be
>>123229974he definitely has hearing problems considering so many of his claims about historical recordings are obviously false
Stokowski's orchestral arrangements of Bach: :)Didn't know existed many recordings based on his transcriptions, how wonderful! Very excited to check them out. Anyone heard of them? I know of Ozawa's one recording but didn't know there were more until just now.
>>123229991No, it's for alto
>>123230016There are? That and vol. 2 are the only ones I could find.
>>123230016if anyone else is as intrigued by these as I am at the moment as wants to give them a listen, here's the recording in that pic:first track in the recording:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzF5rmtvbH0&list=OLAK5uy_m5ul05Moumuue_Fe6RW0F6gfVXhjXzQ5g&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m5ul05Moumuue_Fe6RW0F6gfVXhjXzQ5g>>123230037I also added two volumes by Bamert / BBC Phil. (though one review I read on Amazon insisted the Serebrier ones were better) and one by the Stokowski Symphony Orchestra. Pretty sure I saw a couple more when searching on YouTube Music.
>>123230025I've only ever seen it sung by men. The one woman I saw was singing it lower than the men
Do I like Biondi's Vivaldi recordings?
>>123230037This Serebrier / Bournemouth one so far is stellar! Some purists may find it disgusting, but for me it's lovely and it's reinvigorating my love for Bach's non-choral music (because I will always love his choral music).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSImT5t31xc&list=OLAK5uy_m5ul05Moumuue_Fe6RW0F6gfVXhjXzQ5g&index=4So good.
Vivaldi https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U7jrIHtvDBw&list=OLAK5uy_mvMfkWCgIbV80BjhEyUn5ZqM0vfc49FBU
>>123229959I don't know, i'm neither, i was just saying what it sounds like to me, dutch sounds like a german guy got boinked in the head and couldn't speak right anymore, it's one of the goofiest sounding languages in the world.
>>123230209My favorite is the arrangement of the Hunting Canata.Marriner also did another arrangement of that piece, but I wonder if has done more.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGs7Ft9cdI
>>123230438It is the other way around. Dutch is the only germanic language that refused linguistical mosernity, besides icelandic
now listening to:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daepERU8rnE
What are some "Beethovenian" composers other than Beethoven? (Fuck of Wagnersisters not listening to your 4 hours long boring bullshit) I am thinking of maybe Ferdinand de Ries and Krommer but... Ries is kind of not enought, I am sure Beethoven couldn't be the onlyone that knew how to maje this powerfull, intense and true music. (Also Brahms is just a wannabe so he is discarded too)
>>123231264>Fuck of Wagnersisters not listening to your 4 hours long boring bullshitholy base->Also Brahms is just a wannabe so he is discarded tooCRINGE. KYS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbXkHTv80n4
Best recording of the art of fugue?
>>123231311He's right, Brahms is an embarrasment.
>>123232037You are a retarded troll.
I can't believe that the people here unironically listen to this low-brow, feminine and insincere music. Your favorite composers were just ordinary, uneducated people who were forced to make music because they couldn't do anything else and there were no educated aundiences anymore, only parvenus. Your favorite composers will always be a joke compared to the old masters. The only time you can feel like your music is worth something is when you compare it to jungle music like jazz and onwards. There's literally nothing to it and not even a single person can explain in their own words why they enjoy it. Not only that but many of the "composers" like Bach who were mere immitators make the equivalent of combining a Mozart composition with a jungle beat. It's just mindless drivel.
>>123231922https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czneCw_M0_k&list=OLAK5uy_mkPVL67we1o8Z-Vx_Su3NrhN--JqVCZYk&index=1
>>123231922I like Tatiana Nikolayeva, Hewitt, and MacGregor.But if you're down for string quartet versions, aka my favorite way to listen to AoF, check out Juilliard, Delme, and Keller Quartets (not the well-known Emerson one).link to Tatiana's recording playlist:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSujdLwaDg&list=OLAK5uy_k90XIC7-fPLSDEaeBmv_bUUd5X1od3prE&index=3link to Juilliard's:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVUBS9VA6bg&list=OLAK5uy_lz5OUPKcPsKBqy5yNjhYAqz_AcF9eExcI&index=1Hope you enjoy!
>>123233200thanks chatGPT
now playing (link to first track on the playlist, then 3 random offerings):Capriccio italien, Op. 45, TH.47:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGQcF0ZD58c&list=OLAK5uy_n3flgrwKnzu1sg9-4stInObUNgOpLqBzo&index=2Hamlet Overture, Op. 67 TH.53:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0D4g9gHceQ&list=OLAK5uy_n3flgrwKnzu1sg9-4stInObUNgOpLqBzo&index=3The Tempest, Op. 18, TH 44:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K15kBK-tVHM&list=OLAK5uy_n3flgrwKnzu1sg9-4stInObUNgOpLqBzo&index=9Romeo and Juliet, Fantasy Overture, TH 42:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMhQ-lEBLBA&list=OLAK5uy_n3flgrwKnzu1sg9-4stInObUNgOpLqBzo&index=8https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3flgrwKnzu1sg9-4stInObUNgOpLqBzo>>123233229What?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33NQv3EX2QI
>>123231922>>123233200fuck I linked to the wrong track off the Tatiana recording, here's the first one of the Art of Fugue, my bad:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua4q2DqO9wE&list=OLAK5uy_k90XIC7-fPLSDEaeBmv_bUUd5X1od3prE&index=7
>>123233246the way you write, it's similar to chatGPT
>>123233344All I did was write "I like X, Y, and Z'... post about Mahler, get called a sperg, post about anyone else get called a bot!
Best recording of the musical offering?
>>123233093Anon what the fuck are you talking about?
>>123219608> How do I get into classical?> It's complicated: https://youtu.be/C78HBp-Youk?t=8
>>123224796For the benefit of the folks at home explain what invertible counterpoint is
>>123233649what are you trying to accomplish with this bit?
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0pG1DdWaU
>>123233483The "music" you post.
>>123233783Like Bach?
>>123233730its a good bit no bully please.
>>123233825it’s gotten stale
Rachmaninovhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSgFjOXPtBM
cutest composer?
Lymburgiahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUo0aIJic9I
AI will replace all music. How do /classical/fags cope?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XVfWmpnc2AAll your bachs and mozarts will become second-rate. Sooner or later they will probably be forgotten.Now don't get me wrong, I too think it's sad but it is inevitable. I want to hear some seethe and cope
>>123234021Margaret Brouwer was cute when she was young
>>123234057I welcome AI as long as it can give me what I want.
>>123234057AI has shown thus far that it is incapable of replicating good taste, which is precisely where the great composers are relevant and why it will never supercede them.
>>123234057you are retarded.
>>123234213I predict that AI generated music will be just like ChatGPT. Students and businesses, in their attempt to get out of doing any study/work will only end up harming themselves in the end.
>>123234579AI generated music will probably replace incidental music (film scores, advertisement jingles etc.) and possibly even pop music if we're being optimistic, but that's as far as it will go. it can only approximate from an aggregate input, not replicate a discerning taste.
>>123234596correct.
Why was Beethoven so bad at writing for the voice? Both his 9th symphony and Missa Solemnis have some of the worst vocal writing I've ever heard.
>>123234057This was incredibly easy to distinguish from. I got every single one of them correct. AI is basically only good at surface gloss, any in-depth examination instantly reveals its artificiality
>>123234643Because he went deaf
>>123219733I have heard people say this a lot and honestly I don't understand it. Bach is really like any other composer, in terms of accessibility.You approach it like you would any music. Pick a small selection and listen to it multiple times. Maybe even 10x. You have to get to the point where you are able to recall the songs you are listening to, their main melodies, etc.I would recommend BWV 582, the organ trios and WTC. Those are probably what first got me into Bach. Just listen to those at least 3-5x each and then try to re-assess.What is different about baroque is the focus on polyphony. When you truly start to "get" this it becomes a magical thing. Learning to perform baroque music helps a lot with the understanding.
>>123234643Composers only think about instrumentation first not about the human limitation of performing said instrumentation first to make it playable/singable.
>>123234643he was interested in contrapuntal possibility, not idiomatic writing for his instruments. all of beethoven’s late music is extremely unidiomatic for their respective instruments.
>>123219608"The sacrilege and the catastrophe of the Faustian are greater than all others, greater than anything Aeschylus or Shakespeare ever imagined. The creature is rising up against its creator. As once the microcosm Man was battling against Nature, so now the microcosm Machine is revolting against Nordic Man. The Lord of the World is becoming the Slave of the Machine, which is forcing him — forcing us all, whether we are aware of it or not — to follow its course. The victor, fallen, is dragged to death by the raging team."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD_DyVVV1ZM
now playing the Honeck Dvorak 8start of Symphony No. 8 in G Major, Op. 88, B. 163:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzndGCJ8jgg&list=OLAK5uy_mXKFV09M43K4XBWpys--hjxS2CPuasL_E&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mXKFV09M43K4XBWpys--hjxS2CPuasL_E
>>123234952I love this symphony so much and find it so engaging it really flies by in what feels like 20 minutes.
>>123233379everything properly formatted is ChatGPT to these retards, just ignore the indians and move on.
>>123235121It's a really fun symphony.
Who has the best set of Wagner's Orchestral music? Bohm? Solti? Kubelik? Levine? Barenboim? or other?
>>123234643https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilzxV4kFF7Ihe's ok
>>123235236lol
Time to go through Skrowaczewski's Brucknerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl8kvrUA3ec&list=OLAK5uy_m2q81cETr2iS4LbDDJ8Rniod8bVBjz-08&index=1
>Richard Wagner has argued that the third movement was intended as the slow movement of the 8th symphony and that the second should be played as a scherzo.Was he right? I've never heard anyone perform it like that.
>>123235553> Schizo theories.let it go anon, classical music is performative art and you can take your own jab at it if you please.
Might do an evening of Shostakovich symphonies. Which ones should I listen to? 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th? Any I should replace with, or specific recording recommendations? Also, does anyone actually like the 14th?
>>1232358644th and 8th for anxiety
>>123235912I've been drinking so I'm hoping that'll make me immune to it, and thus be able to enjoy the music and beauty of Shostakovich's symphonies, hence why I'm doing it lol
>>123235696What's schizo about it? I just want to know what /classical/ posters think of that interpretive idea.
>>123236068most posters here don't actually know what they're talking about so I wouldn't bother asking.
>>123236155Some do. I unfortunately am not one but I don't claim to be.
>>123236423He was right but I'm sure there are people here who think they have a better understanding of musical form than Wagner himself.
ayo Harambe dropped an album from heaven??
