Meowzart editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uenGzR_C3JwThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh (embed)Previous thread: >>123900628
Wagner... I need COCK
>no zoomer descendants of the bayreuth monarchyWho will save the Wagner bloodline? YOU must do it anon.
>Greatest concerto ever writtenYou were saying?https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1728340160595510.webm
>>123925391Honestly bored by this Flute Concerto. The flute itself is also a quite irritating instrument.
>>123926205Imagine being filtered by a instrument kek
>>123926257I like it in moderation. Good symphonists handle them well. This concerto is just boring and the flute won't shut up for a minute which makes my ears bleed.
Iveshttps://youtu.be/l8jtKb2phpI?si=ra252UH1pDn1hIPN
Schoenberg https://youtu.be/bQHR_Z8XVvI?si=dRldGg402GCts1bf
>>123926284Filtered.
>>123925391
Berghttps://youtu.be/YYqPDINut-0?si=Fo0JszheXKTxQ6SB
Who is the baked beans of the classical canon?
>>123926620Beethoven Sonatas
I LOVE BBC (Beethoven,Brahms,Chopin)
nigga shut the fuck up
Brahmshttps://youtu.be/KqgPtXc9H_4
Reminder
>>123925152>>123925194>>123925213for all their “superior intellect” these retarded krauts sure love to eat up bait, hook line and sinker. maybe they really are slave rapebabies, only explanation for how they could have become so retarded in less than a century. >>123925680average scriabincel (homosexual)>>123925724greatest at wasting the listener’s time, yes>>123926288more interesting than good. >>123927490thank you RYMsister
>>123927519who knew i had a talent for posting while asleep? with this newfound technique i can increase shitposting efficiency by up to 33.3%, repeating of course.
>>123927529oh, we’re doing this again? i thought we already did the african conspiracy arc like 6 months ago.
Great another shit flinging thread
Tonality is more like an artificial system imposed on music at the start of the baroque which people have been struggling to work within or escape from ever since. Except in the classical era when they loved that shit and they believed they were imitating the regularity of greco-roman music, which they actually knew nothing about.
>>123927493Your behavior is similar to that of monkey
>>123927563yes, tonality was forced upon baroque composers by… what exactly? hitler? god?>>123927568as opposed to slaves, which are in fact indistinguishable from monkeys.
kek
>>123927612leftist meme
>>123927622i’m sure you wish that were true, wignat sister
Ockeghem was claimed by Webern, along with his younger Flemish contemporary Obrecht, as a source of profound inspiration. It is a basic concision which they share, but of course Ockeghem's finely spun melodies are far out of proportion to Webern's, and this is certainly the aspect of his music which appeals most directly to the modern listener. The melodies seem to go on forever, never losing their sense of invention or identity, and so it is this fundamental melodic integrity which can be seen as the driving force behind Ockeghem's contrapuntal prowess. This is one way in which he differs from other great contrapuntists in Western history, as Ockeghem never lets technique obscure his material, and such brilliant material it is! By adopting different phrasings in difference voices, and employing deceptive or partial cadences, Ockeghem allows his melodies to continue unimpeded by the structural design of the music. In that sense, they contribute to the architecture while at the same time being buoyed by it. It is only too clear that Ockeghem had mastered the idea of "never-ending melody" long before it became a rallying cry.
>>123927680Of course it is precisely the ambivalent cadences and essential lack of climaxes which make Ockeghem's masses so difficult to wrap one's mind around, and then it is the continuously spun legato line which makes them physically daunting. The latter is, however, more benefit than fault, as they do not require any superhuman breathing, but rather subtle and perilously gained insights into the nuances of phrasing. For anyone obsessed with the finest details of phrasing, Ockeghem's music provides a reservoir of seemingly infinite depth. Wrestle with it for a while, and anything else seems either nonsense or child's play.
>>123927680>>123927687yes, but what pieces by ockeghem should one listen to?
>>123927709Missa ProlatoniumMissa Pro DefunctisMissa Mi-mi
>>123927722thanks
>>123927775quite the conspiracy you’ve cooked up for yourself, wignat sister
post the best classical album covers
>>123924298Yeah, it's one of those rare Kleiber performances that show him at his best. Miles above his studio Beethoven.
>>123927890great question wignat schizo>>123927906yeah, i really enjoyed it, too bad about the lack of an exposition repeat in the first and last movements. lazy fuck.
So this general is basically under the thumb of one black janny that has a hateboner for classical music?
>>123927956yes wignat schizo, the black israelite janitors are out to get you.
>>123927964Says the faggot thinking everyone who disagrees with them is a tranny
>>123927906Something wrong with Kleiber's Concertgebouw Beethoven?
>>123927978so true schizo sister, so true. >>123927993if you insist, wignat schizo. don’t let the black israelite tranny jannies bite.
>>123924444Nice quads. HIPisms in this context are things such as the shrinking of the orchestra, the minimizing of vibrato, the clippings of phrasing, implementing sharp, jumpy accents, and, of course, the utilization of period instruments. Not all HIPisms are bad, but I find that, especially with modern performances, the aforementioned aesthetic characteristics are exaggerated to the point of caricature and are detrimental to Beethoven's compositions.
>>123927979You're talking about Erich Kleiber, we're talking about Carlos. Erich Kleiber's Concertgebouw recordings are actually quite nice, especially the 7th IMO, but I don't know if they make my list of favorite mono Beethoven.Actually, Carlos has a Concertgebouw 7th as well, recorded much later.
>>123928109carlos actually has a 4th and another 7th with the concertgebouw that was exclusively released by philips on video. i don’t think it was ever even released on DVD.
>>123927895
>>123928237I think I heard that 4th on video at one point but I don't remember for sure.
>>123928109>You're talking about Erich Kleiber, we're talking about CarlosRight. Carry on :^)
Is it just me or are Vivaldi's works overshadowed by the Four Seasons (not even the full set of 12 violin concertos) and La Stravaganza?
>>123928420not really, all his concerti basically sound the same.
>>123928420It would be more accurate to say that Vivaldi had five hundred ideas for a concerto, and that none of them ever was fully worked out. It is only after his wonderful opening bars, his extraordinary beginnings (which taught J. S. Bach so much), that his concertos bog down and begin to resemble each other in the deployment of harmonic cliches-cliches which would not matter (as they do not matter in Handel) if the large harmonic form were coherent and interesting, the cliches given a sense of direction and movement instead of a feeling of jogging on a treadmill.Vivaldi's operas are coming in for attention now: the same faults and virtues are manifest there. The arias begin strikingly, but continue with little of Handel's energy, Bach's intensity, or Alessandro Scarlatti's subtlety. These deficiencies are less crippling here: an aria is generally much shorter than a concerto movement. In comparing Vivaldi to Bach and Handel, some of his admirers (Marc Pincherle, for example) either refused to face his weaknesses, or else-what is worse-they never understood the strengths of the already established masters.
>>123928519I will now listen to your performance.
>>123928495https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyPtMBDz-kU
Posting the greatest piece Haydn ever wrotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvWjI4PrJw
>>123926901>>123926973>>123927315I hate baked beans they’re so gross and beany and their sauce gets everywhere -not like you
>>123924460When I was really obsessed only a month or so back, I was listening to classical almost from waking up to sleep, so like... 10-12 recordings day from start to finish? But it's kinda waning now, getting back into reading and such, so down to like 3-5 a day now.
Having said that I’ve really only had Heinz baked beans or similar which are the disgusting ones. Perhaps there exist baked beans, say from New England, that are actually good: I live in hope. And I do enjoy other beans, butterbeans, white bean casseroles, stews and salads- kidney beans? Not so much.
>>123928912It’s funny to think you’ve almost certainly listened to more classical music than any classical composer(barring the newer ones)
>>123928420Winter is the only that sounds somewhat like the season it’s named after
>>123928947lol because the older composers were only able to hear music live, right? That's true. But they certainly understood it far deeper than I!Must be interesting living in those times though, when listening to, say, Beethoven's 9th was a special occasion thing you only got to experience every so often, whereas now we can hear it on demand as many times as we like.
>>123928877Sisterjanny still deleting these posts
>>123928420Four Seasons is extremely catchy and memorable, much like Moonlight Sonata or 2nd Nocturne, for example. Composers always tend to have a piece that is the most beloved out of all the others, mostly because of cultural reasons(like an iconic name, or was featured in some movie), luck, and also because it is accessible. So that happens all the time, nothing new with Vivaldi's case.
Why didn't Brahms write a non-Requiem Mass? so sad
>>123929171the german requiem is really not even a requiem mass either, it’s just settings of biblical text for chorus and orchestra.
>>123929171Brahms wasn't very religious.
>>123929184Even more sad! At least we got his brilliant orchestral chorus stuff and then the short ones like these:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls3wrxTHcPE&list=OLAK5uy_l1rxq6f5yE8r9jpWIFfcuKbUb34vjTnsw&index=1>>123929201I just like choral music is all. I think Brahms could have written an all-time oratorio.
speaking of choral music, time to finally give this an in-depth listenstart of Mendelssohn: Symphony No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 52 "Hymn of Praise"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9nSDR_wzQ&list=OLAK5uy_nPrgHjY3hKjgXR28fsAx8YiN44UyZJ6Cw&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nPrgHjY3hKjgXR28fsAx8YiN44UyZJ6Cw
Mendelssohn has such a strange discography for a very famous composer. What's he most known for? Can't be his symphonies, they're good, but not among the best. His violin concerto? The string quartets? And if anyone knows, what was he most famous for in his own time? I remember reading his oratorios, Elijah and Paulus, were actually quite famous and acclaimed in his era.
>>123929221Have you listened to Brahms' Rinaldo?
>>123929341you already said his violin concerto and string quartets, those are exceedingly famous in their respective gentes
>>123929435I actually haven't! Funny you mention it though, because I saw it when I was listening to some stuff off of pic related the other day (great set, even if none of the recordings are my favorite for anything except for Triumphlied but only because no one else has really recorded that lol, but it's a great convenient set to get all of these works in one place, even if it's missing some of the shorter choral songs if I'm not mistaken, like the heavenly Op. 112b and Op. 103) but decided against it once I saw it's for tenor and male choir -- I much prefer female vocals, and if it must have male vocals then it's gotta have female too.But if you think it's worthwhile then I'll give it a listen.
>>123929341>What's he most known for?being jewish
>>123929341>What's he most known for?making Wagner butthurt
Looking for your preferred version, what do you recommend?
Mariage D'amourhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmD0pMF-5po&ab_channel=BURDAGRIN%E2%80%99sPIANOThe thumbnail for this was very ass heavy-I'm not sure I should reward that behaviour or not.
>>123930045https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJtrJ6KGbWw
>>123930045I like Fabio Bondi'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7LU8lfJ1JA&list=OLAK5uy_kkGKMfSFNX8o5iO_-c8jLSvne0iAgdIDQ
let's try...<----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRAznYrl5WY&list=OLAK5uy_k8u10Gi39jjw-VEoQiBKasbT4zhbDNT30&index=1Also added the Rattle, Schaller, and Wand/NDR recordings of this work to try.
I actually don't know if this is Classical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE_b1E0qH74&ab_channel=LilyKogan
>>123930194Is this what young people call tradwifebait?
>>123930351I dunno either, but I think she's having a stroke.
>>123930419I know I am
>>123930305Goddamn I forgot how much I love this symphony. I think it's the most cheerful and uplifting of all of Bruckner's symphonies.
>>123930352 Yeah it's a lust provoking thumbnail
now playingstart of playlist:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEpWW0CJNtk&list=OLAK5uy_nS9rX2BrrBbeZ5bY1mShfppv9FsWfc3fs&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nS9rX2BrrBbeZ5bY1mShfppv9FsWfc3fs
What's worth checking out by Glinka?
>>123930794Try thesehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx39pP28JpE&list=OLAK5uy_nHaI-H6kwLHmClfEU-6fqeJCmjOvq-uW8
>>123931251Awesome, thank you.
>>123928237>>123928326Looks like Carlos takes the exposition repeat for the 4th in his Concertgebouw performance on DVD.
Mahler >>> Strauss
>>123931378Well, duh, who questions that
>>123931398Me, who hates Mahler. Strauss actually had redeemable qualities. Mahler is overrated jew with no redeemable qualities.
>>123925391MAHO SEXOOOOOOOO
>>123931431If you hate one, then your opinion on who's better doesn't carry much weight. I listen to both regularly; Strauss is great but Mahler was a genius, they're at least two tiers apart.
>>123931465strauss is second rate, mahler is first rate. simple as.
One of the besthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmSC4cTOltU&list=OLAK5uy_nUoChH6QKRNkIh6OVU8S-sP_saNfxZgwo&index=1
>>123931559Hell yeah double beaters
>>123931559pff ahahahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv_W3KgH-8k
Berg on Mahler vs Strauss
>>123931679strauss curved paenus
>>123931465Strauss was a genius, if you doubt that then you never understood either of them to begin with.
>>123932054a second rate genius maybe
>>123932063They're both second-rate because they're just followers of Wagner.
>>123932290so true sister, so true
Mahler >>>>>>>>> Wagner
Can someone tell me what Mahler symphony this is cribbing?https://youtu.be/RWa6YaPH4jY?t=74
>>123932325>>123932336Dishonest Jew slop. You will never understand the Teutonic musical tradition.
>>123932336I will find you and I will kill you and your entire family.
Bruckner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wagner
redpil me on Les Six
>>1239323442 and 6.
>>123932354>>123932357thank you wagnersisters
shiver me timbers. this now be playing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrgkSHjpyDE
Obrechthttps://youtu.be/63oZjMRcWEQ
Josquinhttps://youtu.be/kq2693QkTHU?list=PLIvoqZe3szSB2Tm0SRBQ3sbYE7-NXAhiY
De la Ruehttps://youtu.be/yIyKW83oA2c
Ockeghemhttps://youtu.be/Yx2iQVJjOGY
I think I'm finally starting to get Schoenberg.
>>123932790what piece
>>123932344Huh, this sounds kinda good. I mean obviously cheesy but it's supposed to be, so good for what it is.
>>123932344Reminds me of a poppier version of this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCsRaD55jEI&list=OLAK5uy_lOOh8AQ45oCHhU6_PRH9ZVJx5g11N4cL0&index=35
>>123932938gays have ghastly taste
>>123932951?
Official list of decent - good composers (if you think of a popular composer who didn't end up here, chances are they are shit): >Machaut, Dufay, Ockeghem, Brumel, Marenzio, Josquin, Gesualdo, Sheppard, Monteverdi, Buxtehude, Vivaldi, Handel, Bach, Haydn, Pergolesi, Krauss, Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven, Rossini, Wagner, Brahms, Liszt, Strauss, Mahler, Dvorak, Chopin, Debussy, Ravel, Rimsky-Korsakov, Shostakovich, Faure, Varese, Hindeminth, Pfitzner, Scriabin, Grieg, Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Szymanowski, Stravinsky, Villa-Lobos, and Busoni.
>>123931590>>123931638What do you guys think of the list this page, link in next post, char limit1926 Queen’s Hall Orch / Wood / Beulah 2PD3 (4/27R)1936 VPO / Weingartner / Naxos 8 110956 (11/36R)1939 NBC SO / Toscanini / Music & Arts CD1275 (12/41R)1944 VPO / Furtwängler / Orfeo C834 118Y (7/13R)1944 Prussian St Orch / Karajan / Koch Schwann 315092 – nla1950 BPO / Furtwängler / Audite AUDITE21 403 (9/09)1950 Concertgebouw Orch / E Kleiber / Decca 482 3952 (4/51R)1951 BPO / Van Kempen / Decca Eloquence ELQ482 0270 (12/54R)1951-52 RPO / Beecham / Sony SMK89887 – nla; Mastercorp Pty Ltd (1/54R)1952 Philharmonia / Karajan / Warner 2564 63373-5 (7/53R)1957 Südwestfunk Orch / Horenstein / Vox 7807 – nla; BNF Collection (4/60R)1957 VPO / Monteux / Decca Eloquence ELQ480 8895 (11/63R)1957 Cleveland Orch / Szell / Sony 88883 73715-2 (2/58R)1958 Columbia SO / Walter / Sony 88875 12391-2 (3/61R)1959 Philharmonia / Klemperer / EMI 404275-2 (3/62R)1962 BPO / Karajan / DG 463 088-2GB5 (2/63R)1964 NYPO / Bernstein / Sony 88883 71833-2 (10/66R)1967 BBC SO / Barbirolli / Barbirolli Society SJB1040 (3/68R)1971 BPO / Karajan / DG/Unitel 073 4107GH3 (5/06)1978 Los Angeles PO / Giulini / DG 447 444-2GOR (5/79R, 8/96)1984 BPO / Karajan / DG 439 002-2GHS (6/86R)1985 NDR SO / Wand / RCA 88697 71144-2 (3/86R)1986 Academy of Ancient Music / Hogwood / Decca 452 551-2OC5 (11/86R)1987 Orch of the 18th Century / Brüggen / Decca 478 7436DC7 (11/88R)1987 London Classical Players / Norrington / Erato 083423-2 (4/89R)1990 COE / Harnoncourt / Teldec 2564 63779-2 (11/91R)1993 Orch Révolutionnaire et Romantique / Gardiner / Archiv 477 8643AB5 (11/94R)2001 BPO / Abbado / DG 471 488-2GH (11/08R)2001 BPO / Abbado / EuroArts 205 1138 (5/09)2002 VPO / Rattle / EMI 915624-2 (4/03)2008 Leipzig Gewandhaus Orch / Chailly / Decca 478 3494DH (A/11R)2012 Bavarian RSO / Jansons / BR-Klassik 900119 (12/13)2015 BPO / Rattle / BPO BPHR160091 (6/16)"
>>123931590>>123931638https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/a-guide-to-the-best-recordings-of-beethoven-s-symphony-no-3-eroica
>>123933034Just on first thought, no Bruckner, Prokofiev, or Elgar? So sad, but to each their own. Wait, no Tchaikovsky or R*achmaninoff, but you like Rimsky? Hmm.
>>123933074>no Scherchen>choosing the vastly inferior Vienna Monteux recording over his Concertgebouw one>Bernstein>>>Norrington>>>>>>>RattleThis is just a random list of performers as far as I'm concerned. Tasteless.Oh, of course it's Richard Osborne. No wonder there's not one, not two, not three, not FOUR, but FIVE fucking Karajan performances here.
>>123933158Yeah I got no idea who the guy is but was reading an Amazon review where the guy was praising him and his list ("According to no less an authority than music critic Richard Osborne...") so figured I'd check it out and get ya'll's input.
>Friedrich Nietzsche, who in his younger years was one of Wagner's staunchest allies, wrote that, for him, "Tristan and Isolde is the real opus metaphysicum of all art ... insatiable and sweet craving for the secrets of night and death ... it is overpowering in its simple grandeur". In a letter to his friend Erwin Rohde in October 1868, Nietzsche described his reaction to Tristan's prelude: "I simply cannot bring myself to remain critically aloof from this music; every nerve in me is atwitch, and it has been a long time since I had such a lasting sense of ecstasy as with this overture". Even after his break with Wagner, Nietzsche continued to consider Tristan a masterpiece: "Even now I am still in search of a work which exercises such a dangerous fascination, such a spine-tingling and blissful infinity as Tristan – I have sought in vain, in every art."
now playing (Prokofiev Violin Concerto no. 2)start of Prokofiev: Violin Concerto No. 1 in D Major, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSbacdAw4Mw&list=OLAK5uy_nvgaWKu00FstFsBzgIkENm8pxX2ZGqS5k&index=2start of Prokofiev: Violin Concerto No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FucgBvdWWg4&list=OLAK5uy_nvgaWKu00FstFsBzgIkENm8pxX2ZGqS5k&index=5start of Stravinsky: Violin Concerto in D Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ajysLczGB0&list=OLAK5uy_nvgaWKu00FstFsBzgIkENm8pxX2ZGqS5k&index=7https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nvgaWKu00FstFsBzgIkENm8pxX2ZGqS5k
Ferneyhoughhttps://youtu.be/p8RTPYaWXj8
How and why is Oisktrah so good!?
>>123933807https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysMjOGpSnVkhe's a big guy
>>123933585I think this piece essentially classical and pretty straightforward once you get over the initial "shock" of having sound events instead of individual notes. My guess is he was inspired by Beethoven's 14th quartet, which, by the way, has inspired almost every composer since Beethoven wrote it. It has the same style of beginning, that is, progressive entrances, is in one movement and explores a variety of textures. I don't mean that to sound reductionist but that's how I hear it. The voicing is always clear as far as the "counterpoint" goes (maybe "counterevent" is a better term), meaning, each voice is always distinct. It's never a mess, it's just complex. I think that a difficulty arises in some listeners because they (and I think this is based upon the survival instinct we have as beings to identify things in our environment which could pose a threat) have a tendency to try to hear individual notes and when these" events" take place it creates a certain stress because they are hard to clearly grasp and picture in the mind as they rush by. But once you get used to a sort of listening in a general sense, it doesn't seem as complex as it does at first. In fact, far from it. And if you do choose to look at the score and "slow it down" mentally so to speak, there are many internal layers. In short, it is music that acts upon our nervous system at least as much as it does upon our mind.
>>123933857Damn that's fire
What's a grand, long violin concerto that isn't from one of the big names? So something like Brahms' or Elgar's but one I haven't heard.
>>123934059thank you RYMsister
>>123934409I don't use RYM
>>123934464coulda fooled me, RYMsister
>>123934059Fascinating stuff, thanks for the effortpost.
>>123932336Disliking Wagner and liking Mahler is a sign of insanity.
>>123934493yes, schizophrenia can be fascinating>>123934501so true wagnersister, so true
>the brahmscuck is already seething
tonight on Mahler Radio, we continue on with Sinopoli's cycle by playing the 7th.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAW54op-b8&list=OLAK5uy_lQ_sdjb_a-7_M2wdD3ki5vZayLfnNf5pI&index=1>With these words, AW's note wryly anticipates the character of Sinopoli's latest exercise in radical deconstruction. The conductor's Mahler is rarely uncontroversial, but this recording of No. 7 strikes me as an extreme example of interpretative de-bagging. Where in a performance like Solti's the work becomes a brassily optimistic concerto for orchestra—a simpler, sunnier view which finds endorsement in Michael Kennedy's commentary—Sinopoli takes us much further in the opposite direction. There are times when his tempos recall the lumbering trudge of late Klemperer (EMI, 9/69—nla), except that they rarely settle for long. As in his rather less problematic account of the Sixth (DG, 1/88), Sinopoli has the benefit of first-rate playing from the Philharmonia and ample yet detailed sonics from DG. What he does with them is more deeply unsettling, and intentionally so. (author name missing on the article?)A baritone Kindertotenlieder accompanies the symphony. I'm not into male lieder so I'll pass but if you are, I've read good things!
been far too long since I last listened to these but first time with this recording, now playing. The recording comes with some other goodies too, plus anything with Hough is usually pretty good.start of Brahms: Cello Sonata No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNAGIirnh5c&list=OLAK5uy_l3QDOsV2JP0NKaLVfceSGCw9IcQyx2GB4&index=2Dvořák: Silent Woods, Op. 68 No. 5, B.173https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZYEmBon78A&list=OLAK5uy_l3QDOsV2JP0NKaLVfceSGCw9IcQyx2GB4&index=5Dvořák: Rondo in G Minor, Op. 94, B. 171https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-xQpNfAbM8&list=OLAK5uy_l3QDOsV2JP0NKaLVfceSGCw9IcQyx2GB4&index=6Suk: Ballade in D Minor, Op. 3 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-gsapGblY&list=OLAK5uy_l3QDOsV2JP0NKaLVfceSGCw9IcQyx2GB4&index=7Suk: Serenade in A Major, Op. 3 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_BxQ_symMM&list=OLAK5uy_l3QDOsV2JP0NKaLVfceSGCw9IcQyx2GB4&index=8Brahms: Cello Sonata No. 2 in F Major, Op. 99https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckr2wyc08Yc&list=OLAK5uy_l3QDOsV2JP0NKaLVfceSGCw9IcQyx2GB4&index=8https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l3QDOsV2JP0NKaLVfceSGCw9IcQyx2GB4Favorite recording(s) of Brahms' cello sonatas?
>>123935279I like Fournier.
>>123935296Yeah if I could only have recordings of repertoire cello works from one cellist, it'd be him for sure.
>>123933312He wrote a biography on Karajan and is a long time Gramophone writer.
>>123925391Some years ago I used to listen to a comfy radio station. Only classical music, with erudite commentary before or after a piece. Does something like that exists nowadays? No spotify or podcast, but old school radio (can be radio on streaming ofc).
Why do you guys love Mozart so much?https://youtu.be/16Rn-uhmcRU?si=qrTTlxefi7ZodjgF
>>123936917>Mozart makes you believe in God because it cannot be by chance that such a phenomenon arrives into this world and leaves such an unbounded number of unparalleled masterpieces. It represents neither the prolonged sigh of faith that characterizes so much of the music written before his time, nor the stormy idealism which cloaks most music after him. Rather he is that mercurial balance of the skeptic and the humane. Like him, and in him, we can always discover new worlds.I agree.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8wAP_mZcTcWhat are some more arias like this that arent from the same cantata? I really like the organ obligato
Who did the best Tristan and Isolde? Solti or Böhm?
>>123937453Bach is shit.
>>123937820Animeschizo only listens to the most tourist composers aka the 'trinity' of shit
>>123937820Kill yourself
>>123937831Cream rises to the top
>>123937820>>123937831>well regarded composers are le bad because... They're popularYou're a very interesting person, anon. Totally.
>>123937941contrarians in this general tend to be people used to regular /mu/ discourse and think that the "popular bad obscure good" holds up when discussing classical, which is one of the few cases of the opposite being true, it leads to embarassing results
>>123937941There are other good composers, animeschizo. But I guess you're stuck on three of them like a tourist baby>>123937987Holy fucking cope kek
>one of the few cases of the opposite being trueBehold, greatest piano piece ever written
>>123938037>There are other good composers, animeschizoOkay? Doesnt change that Bach is also a good composer. One of the best. I know that you probably have problems with your identity due to being a black tranny, but being a mindless contrarian is not the way
>>123938048Its about composers, not individual pieces, retard. If you cannot appreciate beethoven, you have no soul
>>123938037am I wrong? You believe that composers who have been studied and were foundational in the art are bad because of their popularity. you treat a composer like a >>>/mu/ tard treats a band.
>>123938085Bach was not foundational and had no lasting impact, retard sister
>>123938103Ah, you were just baiting. Had me for a bit.
>>123938065>black trannyTotal schizophrenia.>>123938076>nuh uhDon't overdose on that copium>>123938085Didn't say they are bad. But you have shit,baby taste it appears.
>>123938144>Didn't say they are badYou started this conversation with "Bach is shit"Kill yourself, unironically. Nobody likes you, not on this general or IRL
>>123938162Wrong anon, schizotranny
>>123938166Ok melty
>>123937941Bach is shit. Listen to Mozart.
>>123938332You will never be an interesting person
>>123938343Ok?
>>123938332Soulless golem
Bach made music for degenerates.
Bach never managed to compose anything of even relative worth. Rather than exploring new styles he preferred to jack off alone to the outdated style of ages past, in a manner very similar to modern "wrong generationers."
>>123938459>>123938490
Bach is popular but all for wrong reasons. Lady Gaga is popular too but if you respect her you are as retarded as average normalfag
>>123938546So true sister
>>123938459>>123938490>>123938546I get you despise classical music, just head to >>>/mu/ in that case. You seem to be lost.
>>123938554>>123938563His most famous keyboard work, the Goldberg Variations, was originally written to put an aristocrat to sleep. And, bearing in mind that it consists of 30 variations on not only the same theme but also the same fucking harmonic sequence, it has the very same effect on modern audiences.The Well-Tempered Clavier is garbage and taught Mozart and Beethoven bad habits that forever stunted their expertise in composition.The Brandenburg Concertos, Violin Concertos, Orchestral Suites, Mass in B minor, Passions, and Musical Offering are plebeian trash written with mass appeal in mind.The Art of Fugue is utter dreck and the worst piece ever written. It's a load of worthless pedantic wankery which literally serves no purpose other than to demonstrate counterpoint. It's hilariously samey and repetitive, which makes sense since it inverts the same fucking melodies to create new counterpoints and does this over and over and over.
People who like Bach are simply closet autists who have no idea what good Western Art music is.
>>123938595I get it, you hate western art music. Go to >>>/mu/, you're lost.
>>123937453https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjmYgRm7Ef0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v70WDOm8eghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kkjb43iwgc
>>123938603You need a soul to understand bach. Sadly you are brown and lack one.
Bach is the greatest composer who ever lived. Only a braindead retard who only listens to romantic slop would disagree
>>123938617Crap.
Romantic period "classical" is peak golem music
>>123938631His music is so lifeless like it was composed for math class or something. It sounds like an exercise that he had to write. there is no heart in it like Beethoven or Vivaldi who was a better baroque composer anyway.
>>123938651As the other anon said, you need a soul. You like vivaldi better becsuse he appeals to soulless romantic sloppers like you
Bach is the only composer actually worth listening to. All others are secondary and not neccesary. He solved music.
>>123938595Based and trueBACH SUCKS>>123938659>muh soulKeep repeating that, tranny
>>123938681Trannies dont believe in soul. Dont pretend you dont have more in common with them. Especially with you talking to yourself manianically
>filtered by bach
>>123938659Why? Seriously, just listen to the Art of Fugue? Like, who does he think he is just abandoning randomly harmonic conventions like he is better than every one else. Look at Contrapunctus 3 where his countersubject bears no interval or tonal resemblance to his subject. He is boring and dumb, the worst combo.
Rachmaninoff > Bach
>>123938718https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yax_FpNzoRE
>>123938711Soulless post
This general sucks
>>123938699>Trannies dont believe in soulYeah, you would know that. KEK>>123938790Uneducated copium>>123938804Yes. Now get the fuck out and leave us alone. Thanks.
>>123938834I will not leave specifically to annoy you.
>>123938834You should probably not enter a thread full of things you dont like to get angry in.
>romanticslopper switches between "bach is too complicated" and "Bach was actually too simple"If you killed all romanticsloppers, /classical/ would be a better place.
>>123938843Then stay and seethe lol>>123938851>not enter Your implication here is that I left the thread, I've never left the thread.
>>123938834Who is "us"? Nobody likes you here and nobody agrees with you. Take your own advice
>>123938875>has to pretend all anons he dislikes is one anonIf you killed all bachspergs ALONG with romabticsloppers, now that would be delightful.
>>123938885You reek of newfaggotry, so you probably entered it.Go back to >>>/mu/
>>123938893Meds, rachjeet
>>123938898>speaks and acts the same the entire thread>NO IM A DIFFERENT GUYTotal Romanticslopper Death
>>123938903You reek of low IQ and lack of musical education. Leave the board altogether.
>>123938907Says the brown tranny, kek
>>123938915Projection, leave the site. Go to reddit, your kin goes there
>>123938910>speaks and acts the sameNice strawman.
>>123938927>Projection>uses """"m-mmuh soulless""""" as counterargument against thr case made here >>123938711ROFLMAO
For me, it's BWV 1068
>>123938939>PLEASE RESPOND TO MY BAITNobody laughs at your jokes and you have no friends, genuinely kill yourself.
Handel >>>>>> Bach
I see a lot of degenerate philistines saying that Bach is “greatest composer to have ever lived” and I can’t believe my eyes when I see such a statement so today I will explain why Bach is the worst composer to have ever lived.He’s just counterpoint, there’s no polyphony, no melody, no harmony, nothing. Just counterpoint. Listen to his invention no.8 in f major for reference, where’s the melody? Exactly, there is no melody. Surely someone who is the “greatest composer” would know more then just writing pretty canons and fugues!He didn’t write an opera. At first this doesn’t seem like a big deal but to be one of the greats (i.e Brahms Chopin, Liszt) you have to write everything including a opera. Bach never wrote an opera. The closest he wrote was a bunch of boring cantatas that have no purpose whatsoever.He had no sense of dynamics and other markings. I recently opened up my 50 dollar Henle urtext from the Juilliard store that had Bach’s well tempered clavier and I saw no dynamics, no crescendo, no tempo, nothing. It was just the notes, to be a great musician you have to understand dynamics and phrasing not just knowing how to write notes on a manuscript paper. I then opened up my 100 dollar Henle urtext also from the Juilliard store Beethoven sonatas and I saw so much expression details which there is none in Bach.I already see you philistines typing trying to say something to dispute my knowledge and facts and I would be more then happy to answer your questions.“No one is more hated than He who speaks the truth" - Plato
>>123938939Post your compositions.
>>123938968You're not fooling anyone, filthy aggressive pedo.
>>123938982I have all my compositions published. I won't be doxing myself nor bothering with some filthy aggressive pedo replying to me twice
"Stick to monophonic music" -Plato
>>123938985Ok brown tranny
Bach fans are insufferable. They can't comprehend that not everyone likes Bach's terrible music. Most people have not even heard of him.
>>123939011Space your posts evenly so it doesn't look like you're samefagging, filthy aggressive pedo
>>123939005>its so shit he doesnt dare post it
>>123939019True.>>123939022Cope.
My favourite classical piece is either Strauss' Also Sprach Zarathustra or Ravel's Gaspard de la Nuit
Handel >>>>>> Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa4_V3yYIUsfkgzv7wLoLRZ_pu9eZjXgW
Daily reminder that Bach being considered good is a modern phenomenon. In his time he was considered inferior to Vivaldi, Handel and every other relevant composer.
>>123939031>has to samefag because nobody agrees with him
>>123939060>No one is more hated than He who speaks the truthBased.>>123939069Fag cope
"[Handel] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach." - J. S. BachAnd when Mozart heard this:"Truly, I would say the same myself if I were permitted to put in a word""Handel understands effect better than any of us -- when he chooses, he strikes like a thunderbolt... though he often saunters, in the manner of his time, this is always something there." - MozartUpon hearing the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Messiah, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed: "He is the master of us all.""Handel is the greatest composer that ever lived... I would uncover my head and kneel down on his tomb." - BeethovenBeethoven, when asked to name the greatest composer ever, he is said to have responded: "Handel, to him I bow the knee."In 1819, Beethoven told Archduke Rudolph: "not to forget Handel's works, as they always offer the best nourishment for your ripe musical mind, and will at the same time lead to admiration for this great man.""Händel is the greatest and ablest of all composers; from him I can still learn." - Beethoven on his deathbed
Handel is gutteral nonsense, truly the worst composer
*Ahem* Is this thing on? GoodGentlemen, I have a brief manifesto I would like to get off my chestBach is perfectMozart is underratedSchoenberg is underrated (and Trinity worthy)Zelenka is underratedReicha: UnderratedCzechoslovakia is underratedSchumann:UnderratedSchubert:UnderratedGesualdo: UnderratedLangaard: UnderratedFaure is basedRavel is basedMessiaen is basedbut fuck The French!Sibelius: The program sucks ass but the composer is basedRautavaara is basedFinland is our final hopeBruckner: Likes cunnyHaydn, Brahms, Dvorak Shostakovich, Stravinsky, Bartok: All based and correctly ratedBeethoven is overrated, though admittedly a tremendous composerWagner is overrated and his piano music sucksLiszt is overratedTchaikovsky is overrated and a flaming faggotFuck Mahler and his wooden boxFuck Strauss (Just pick one)Fuck ChopinFuck Saint SaensFuck DebussyFuck SatieOnce again I say: Fuck the French!Fuck BoulezFuck BerioFuck SchnittkeFuck BabbittCage is a worthless AIDS riddled faggotFUCK POSTMODERNISMFuck GershwinFuck Kapustin- its just Jazz that's written downFuck CoplandFuck GlassFuck AdamsFuck PolyFuck American ((((composers))))Handel sucksHolst is an unmusical buffoonVaughan Williams sucksFuck Jacob Cholera (in the boipussy)Fuck England!Africa is a musically-- and in every other respect-- worthless continent.Yuja Wang and Alma Deutscher should be brought into sexual bondage.And last but not leastFUCK JANNIES! FUCK DOTARD BLIPF AND FUCK BLACK "PEEPO"!*throws mic violently to the ground* *dabs ceremoniously*
Handel was a homosexual and therefore not worth listening to
>>123939179>Fuck PolyLmao
>>123939188all the best composers are or were gay
>The children are finished bitching Wagner. Lets move on.
Wagner sucks cock.
>>123939193If they're gay, they're bad. Cope harder
>>123939199Bach. Lets move on
>>123939229So true tranime sister
Is the Philosopher's Stone any good? Saw Mozart wrote an aria for it.
>>123939179Gayest post I’ve seen in this general and that’s counting the tranny jannies’ posts
>>123939255Nah, hes based and redpilled. Anyone who disagrees should leave.
Bach is truly the greatest composer of the repertoire, everyone else pales in comparison.
>>123939262Nope cringe and blupilled. Very gay post
>>123939254It’s pretty damn good. The Prisoner Of Azkaban has traditionally been my favourite though
I tried listening to handel but it sounded like music written to be fucked in the butt to. When he used the oboes to to recreate his moans is when i had to turn it off and play some Bach.
>>123939328>it sounded like music written to be fucked in the butt toTry and see if it works.
>>123939344I shall not. Doesnt sound very enjoyable.
>>123939328Really? Are they playing Handel in the gay clubs these days?
>>123939418Yes, have to hear his organ concertos every friday night which only barely covers the moans
>>123939432Sisterjanny is not gonna like this, will he start labelling anyone who posts DG a tranime sister?
>>123939179Imagine limiting yourself to few tourist composers who you think of as "underrated" lmfao. Truly shameful, if you had any sense or taste you'd never think like this. Hopefully it's just a bait, in which case I half-approve since some bachfags ITT are the most insufferable and deserve mockingBack to plebbit with you.
>tranime avatarfag had a meltdown while i was asleepLMAO
>>123939532He took every bait and almost killed himself kek
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hN7QZtjRo
>>123939597Awful.
>>123939608Bachtastichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3mway-cCeY
>>123939673Terrible.
>>123939457Imagine seething this hard at the greatest composer who ever lived because he wasn't trans like wagner.
The anti-Bach poster is just a Bach lover in disguise. He knows the baits fuel a Bach thread.I'm with you mate, please DONT listen to Bach toccatas ;)
>>123939532>>123939541>Made 2 responses before figuring he was baiting>Ceased replying, made a comment about the general and then asked a question about a mozart operaYou have very mild standards for what you define as a meltdown
>>123939727Bach is shit. Listen to Beethoven.
>>123939748Beethoven is literally the worst composer of the canon tho
viva Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBzp0JmTgKA
>>123939766Repulsive.>SchiffEven worse.
>>123939781>>123939748>>123939698>>123939608kill yourself
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbHZ42NUB-0
Posting more Bach links isn't going to make his degenerate music any better.
>>123939818McFucking Bach yourself
>>123939748And his Goldberg Variations, oofff, NEVER ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4oPkiOwq28
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5C_Z8zSS68
>>123939881Was Karajan trying to say he was God with this cover?
>>123939734what happened to your avatar, tranime sister? go on, post it again lmao
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsy5IfueNBc
Listen to Milhaud Listen to Honegger
>>123939921Just because I like using reaction images that I find cute doesn't mean I identify with the character as an avatar.
>>123939943>just because i like avatarfagging doesn’t mean i’m avatarfaggingschizophrenia at its finest
>>123939924Honigger?
>>123939952You don't seem to know the definition of avatarfagging
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIB2JpkGDTQ
>>123940032imagine investing this much effort into rules lawyering over being an avatartranny LMAO
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki7DHzledIY
Only Glen Gould makes Bach tolerable
>>123940052Don't care to "lawyer", just calling you a retard
Oh and captcha was XDPPNb
>>123940059>don’t care to do the exact thing i’m doing right nowseems like a trend with you. sounds like someone hasn’t been taking her pills
>>123940056So true gould ghoul
>>123940079*Gould
>>123939751Exact opposite, tranny
>>123940089He’s figuratively the best composer of the canon?
>>123940089>tranny9th is literally a trans anthem that caused Wagner to transition and become a queen composer
New>>123940119>>123940119
>>123940100Both figuratively and literally. He's the alpha and omega of music. >>123940108kys
>>123940108Total brain rot
>>123940128>>123940133So true Beethoven sisters
>>123940186Fucking idiot
>>123940232not very wholesome sister
>>123938804>those legs
