Capet String Quartet Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1puWlJ1ZLKAThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh Previous:>>124046114
The most patrician CD of all.
>>124058441babbys first CD
I'd forgotten how slow Klemperer's Beethoven 6 is. The orchestra sounds lovely though.
>>124058482>I'd forgotten how slow Klemperer's Beethoven 6 isJust the way I like it!
Steve Reich- It’s Gonna Rain https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ZzEEaKC90
>>124058466....and also the last.
>>124058531:O
>>124058441Usually it's reissued together with the Tchaikovsky concerto, Kondrashin conducting I think? Terrific performances of terrible music.
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHYyFHdmTq8
Handel Gross Concerto https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fy5-iJnwYqA
>>124058616Schoenberg's Handel Gross concertohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qJ1KN1pVIU
>>124058616>>124058651Eww, gross.
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 7 in B Flat, Op. 97 "Archduke"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPU6PTcLNPc&list=OLAK5uy_kJNY-WLQv_JFzEqwctRdUsq04ORfXzG0Q&index=2start of Schubert: Piano Trio No. 1 in B flat, Op. 99 D.898https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcRE6fEAWI4&list=OLAK5uy_kJNY-WLQv_JFzEqwctRdUsq04ORfXzG0Q&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJNY-WLQv_JFzEqwctRdUsq04ORfXzG0Q
Upon further consideration, this is my new favorite recording of Bruckner 5. The 5th is the most difficult of Bruckner's symphonies to get right, imo, followed by the 6th, and Sinopoli pulls it off.
the Schoenberg violin concerto
W. is for Warlock https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EFwt6exTne4&pp=ygUVd2FybG9jayBjYXByaW9sIHN1aXRl
>>124058967Looking forward to hearing about your new favorite in a week's time!
>>124059164It's a date!
>>124057176…what are you talking about anon?
>>124058441reddit classical>>124058482it's pretty fucking awful honestly. it's a miracle that klemperer's beethoven was ever taken seriously outside of the choral and operatic works. >>124058967sinopoli is a bad brucknerian
>>124059164>>124059179No, but seriously, the 5th took me the longest to finally appreciate, so my favorite recordings of it are still in flux. And I just make these posts in hopes of perhaps kickstarting some kind of discussion.>>124059214>sinopoli is a bad brucknerianI think he does a fantastic job of being the best of all worlds. As in, usually with Bruckner interpretations, the conductor has to make a choice as to which elements to emphasize and which to sacrifice, eg excitement vs. reverence, heart vs. beauty. Sinopoli, in my opinion, manages to spin all of these plates without dropping any, in addition to his eye for detail and vibrancy which characterize all of his best recordings. So I'd say his 3rd, 4th, and 5th are all among the very best, and I plan to revisit his 7th, 8th, and 9th soon. What do you not like about his Bruckner?
now playingstart of Poulenc: Organ Concerto in G Minor, FP 93https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZcXvoRDVSY&list=OLAK5uy_kFWsxnDAFrt9PoOx24d_bYcmrjHhyJkAY&index=2start of Stravinsky: Jeu de carteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpQnF5zal2Y&list=OLAK5uy_kFWsxnDAFrt9PoOx24d_bYcmrjHhyJkAY&index=8https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kFWsxnDAFrt9PoOx24d_bYcmrjHhyJkAYInteresting pair of works. Can't go wrong with the Munch/BSO duo for performances.
Favorite/recommended recordings for Bach's French and English Suites and Keyboard Partitas? Pic kinda related, I quite like Anderszewski's Bach, just curious what you guys like.
>>124059559Schiffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_U0lm6HZMk
>>124059386damn this organ concerto is fiery and gorgeous, good stuff
>>124059617I really like Schiff's Bach too, nice shout
>>124059645I prefer Perahia
>>124059300Dohnanyi is my go-to for Bruckner 5, though admittedly, it's far from my favorite Bruckner symphony.
>>124045326Could this young man post any examples of Haydn’s melodies?
>>124059929https://youtu.be/BIvWjI4PrJw
Hisaishihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIBvve7aw8&list=OLAK5uy_lOPs_mtM59eJ48rU7Bfx3AahXXBxLAyXM>>124059993yt-dlp
>>124059828I should revisit his since that I have a much deeper appreciation of the work now. His was definitely good.
>We want the Björk audience
>>124059214Stop ban evading.
>>124060217
>>124060217same vibes>>124060257lol but I guess that one makes sense for what it is
>>124060279>An impostor and a clown. Dudamel at BPO; may God have mercy!lol
>>124060059The Japanese-a great bunch of lads
>>124059194there are degrees of intent and, in this instance, i'd argue the perpetrators are not fully aware of what it is that they are doing. this form of not-knowing is the product of an individual swapping out his autonomy in favor of instruction based mind control from a hierarchical power structure. a great example is to imagine a door to door salesman. he not only adopts and elicits an attitude, and thus behavior, beneficial to his organization but also tries to capture others into its framework. the same thing has happened to the breadmaker whose wanton lack of respect shows little, if any, sign of stopping: the OP has exclusded any mention or recognition of anime's relationship with classical music in its pic and body for the last seven threads. that may not seem like a big issue to some, especially athiests, but those with experience in metaphysics will know just how crucial a foundation is to its structure.>>124059559>>124059617andras schiff is jewish try Haebler insteadhttps://files.catbox.moe/ha8hvi.mp3
>>124059300>eg excitement vs. reverence, heart vs. beauty.none of these things are mutually stupid, this is an extraordinarily retarded comparison to make. >What do you not like about his Bruckner?bad pacing. the 5th is the most dramatically imbalanced and lopsided bruckner symphony, and by far the hardest to pace. sinopoli does it no favors with stupid tempo choices (why is the whole first movement in nearly the same tempo?) and a very poor sense of forward momentum, particularly with the finale. it's unidiomatic, brainless bruckner conducting. >>124060225no bans this time, only a warning. complain to the tranitors if you must. >>124060341holy fucking schizophrenia
>>124060341O_OAdded that recording tho, thanks
Hindemithhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1BB9aevQxY&list=OLAK5uy_kuMdt-wIlMHTie9DkOB6qzZA06NRLH1lI
>>124060341Antisemite is also schizophrenic, what a surprise!
>>124059559Vedernikovhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEnkmjEJ4go
>>124060348Heed the warning then scofflaw tranny janny
>>124060466only after you stop ban evading, wignat schizo
>>124060348I'm just saying it's a difficult balance, meaning in Bruckner recordings, it often results in an exclusionary outcome. For example, Wand goes for reverence and with it sacrifices excitement, Karajan goes for beauty and sacrifices heart, though in his best recordings he, obviously, gets both. Haitink for emotion and detail but in most cases loses the guts and comes out as a snoozefest, whereas Jochum is always vigorous and full of life but sometimes comes off dry and aloof, etc etc. Of course these guys have exceptions where they accomplish it all, some more than others, and I'm saying Sinopoli succeeds in this balancing act in the aforementioned recordings.I don't get the obsession with being idiomatic. Of course you don't wanna go off the rails, and one should always have go-to recordings that are indeed quite idiomatic, but all I really care about is whether it sounds good or not, which Sinopoli, who's widely known for his idiosyncratic approach anyway, is.
>>124060341>schiff is jewish>suggests a womantake your meds
>>124060341So what is anime's relationship with classical music?
>>124060591none whatsoever. they are as opposite styles of art as you can possibly find.
>>124060348>>124060536Also, side note, I'm always impressed and surprised by how well you guys can remember recordings so often, like here recalling Sinopoli's approach to the first movement's tempo, unless you guys give it a quick skim-listen in these scenarios. Usually I just recall if and how much I liked it, and the overall, macro interpretation. Obviously more details if the recording really stood out but for a random one that you didn't like, I don't know how you guys do it. But I guess music is your primary passion and occupation, so.
>>124060612Wasn't asking you TJ
>>124060464Good stuff, ty. Hard to find his recordings though but I saved that one to a playlist I have for Bach videos.
>>124060556Shifty Schiff
>>124060625the GTA guy?
>>124060536>For example, Wand goes for reverence and with it sacrifices excitement"reverence" doesn't mean anything in music. wand goes for precise orchestral balances and very deliberate pacing at the expense of momentum and dynamics. >Karajan goes for beauty and sacrifices heartagain, "heart" doesn't mean anything. he sacrifices expressiveness and clarity of phrasing and counterpoint in exchange for richness of sonority, yes. >Jochum is always vigorous and full of life but sometimes comes off dry and aloofnothing in jochum sounds aloof, nor does it mean anything in music. he can certainly be dry and stodgy when it comes to sonority.you suffer chronically from inventing adjectives that don't mean anything in the musical lexicon. >but all I really care about is whether it sounds good or notand sinopoli doesn't, because his style is completely incompatible with the requisites of good bruckner conducting. >>124060613i'm not going to call it bad unless i can pinpoint exactly why it's bad. >>124060625LOL, certified paranoid schizophrenic behavior
>>124060698>"reverence" doesn't mean anything in musiconly if you're autistic
>>124060668No that's CJ. Totally different African American
>>124060722it doesn't mean anything to anyone. go up to any performer and tell them that their performances lack "reverence" and they'll look at you like you have 3 heads.
>>124060722They are autistic
>>124060698Ah but you knew my meaning each time! What can I say, I know nothing about the formal aspects of music, so all I can do is describe the end emotional and aesthetic result. I may not know how or why something sounds the way it does, just what it is to me.And, well, agree to disagree I guess.
>>124060771>Ah but you knew my meaning each time!i don't know what "reverence" or "aloofness" mean in music, because they don't mean anything. i just know how to broadly describe the basic styles of conductors, which is what i've done.
>>124060795Wand's Bruckner is like he's conducting for a religious ceremony. Which actually fits Bruckner's music for the most part but in this search for transcendence, he often loses musical excitement and aesthetic enjoyment.With Jochum it's as you said, he can often be dry and stodgy, which results in an emotional coldness. Again, not always for both, as each have really good recordings where they either alleviate these faults (Jochum's DG 4th) or overcome them (Wand's Lubeck 7th), and even when present it's not even necessarily a dealbreaker -- hence the need or at least purpose of having multiple recordings to turn to depending on mood.That's how they sound to my ears and feel to my heart and soul, anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzg3uOzOIWIAnyone here play the recorder? Is it just me or is this guy not very good?I feel like his notes are very wobbly
trying out Koopman's Bach cantatas, now playing (BWV 137)start of "Lobe den Herren, den mächtigen König der Ehren" BWV 137https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8pdwsVO1DI&list=OLAK5uy_l5qqjJ5CKdiVbWiPXTRipz4bjsOI5JfFc&index=47https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l5qqjJ5CKdiVbWiPXTRipz4bjsOI5JfFc
Prelude in C Minor Barrios on the piano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b68pJXsVilw&ab_channel=MyPianoCourse
>>124060922>Wand's Bruckner is like he's conducting for a religious ceremony.this is just nonsense, what does "conducting for a religious ceremony" even sound like? there is no standard practice for conducting sacred works; if you mean he sounds like he's a choral conductor, he certainly doesn't. this is just nonsense. >Which actually fits Bruckner's music for the most part not true, by the way. the idea that every single bruckner symphony is somehow overtly religious is post-modern extramusical programmatic bullshit. >he often loses musical excitement and aesthetic enjoyment.he loses musical excitement because he's too concerned with phrasing and voicing to realize he's lost the plot of the bigger picture. no relation whatsoever to "religiousness". >hence the need or at least purpose of having multiple recordings to turn to depending on mood.i have multiple recordings because i enjoy comparing them, but i have almost never thought "i want to listen to the missa solemnis today, i'll tolerate klemperer's formless unyielding tempi because i feel like hearing the organ once every 10 minutes". i always default to szell because he most matches what i believe the work should sound like.
>>124061029>this is just nonsense.I suspect you know exactly what I mean, but either way I'm not interested in expounding on it further because I know what I mean and how it sounds to me, and that's all that matters in this case.>i have multiple recordings because i enjoy comparing them, but i have almost never thought "i want to listen to the missa solemnis today, i'll tolerate klemperer's formless unyielding tempi because i feel like hearing the organ once every 10 minutes". i always default to szell because he most matches what i believe the work should sound like.I guess that's where we differ, then. If two recordings are going for roughly the same approach and emotional and aesthetic outcome, then yes, I agree there's no point in keeping both around if one is clearly better. However, some works are great enough to warrant listening to them through different lenses, even if I have a personal favorite one, doesn't mean I don't occasionally want to enjoy others.
>>124060668Unless you mean TJ Sucker a multiplayer character from GTA Vice City Stories
now playingstart of J.S. Bach: Mass in B Minor, BWV 232https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcxRA4yFcis&list=OLAK5uy_nIWtiUCXMC4jDejMJciGH0U0C7GLcBdV0&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nIWtiUCXMC4jDejMJciGH0U0C7GLcBdV0I'm starting to become obsessed with this work, at least whenever I feel like listening to choral music, over half the time it's like, well, why would I listen to something else when I can listen to the Mass in B minor?
>>124061169>I suspect you know exactly what I mean,but i don't. i know why gunter wand conducts the way he does and makes the interpretative decisions that he does, but i have no idea what conducting "for a religious ceremony" means. no such practice exists, so why compare to something that doesn't exist when you can just as easily compare to something that does, like an emphasis on phrasing and orchestral voicing over momentum and dynamics?
>>124061364Because all that interests me is the end result of those interpretive decisions. Does it sound good? How does it make me feel? What does the work, in this specific performance, say now? Anyway this is a good point to end this particular discussion, as it's gotten really off the rails lol. Until next time!
>>124061440>Because all that interests me is the end result of those interpretive decisions.you're not going to comprehend any of that on a reasonably intelligent level unless you understand the decisions themselves. this is why what you talk about sounds like absolute gibberish whereas what i talk about is completely comprehensible when i communicate performance decisions to other performers and composers alike. >Does it sound good? How does it make me feel? rockist mentality. >What does the work, in this specific performance, say now?whatever it's saying, you don't seem to understand the language enough to translate it into words that mean anything to anyone.
what are the fastest performances of the finale of Beethoven's 14th quartet out there?
Go back to YouTube and stay there faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJviZid_NY&list=OLAK5uy_kR2_rBkYJSUHMujnQQ1667hnqXqKt2XBA&ab_channel=SachioFujioka-TopicSymphony No. 5, Op. 87: I. Andante pesante - Allegro molto · Sachio Fujioka · BBC Philharmonic Orchestra · Takashi Yoshimatsu
>>124061029Now some of the folks out there might not know what klemperer's formless unyielding tempi means
>>124061829some folks out there might be falling asleep from the tiredness of this bit, myself included.
>>124061552Outside of Wand, you understood all of my other descriptions.
>>124061800Interesting stuff.
>>124062021again, you’re assuming i translated them, when i didn’t. all i did was provide a broad overview of what those conductors do and don’t, particularly in bruckner. the fact that my descriptions line up with what you intended to convey is a sign that you obviously aren’t deaf or stupid, but you lack the means to describe what you are hearing effectively.
>>124062070>but you lack the means to describe what you are hearing effectively.Well I did admit that at the outset! So I work with what I have. Plus I'm used to talking about literature, and that's generally how texts, novels, and poetry are discussed.>>124061769You know, you're free to start up any discussion you want if you don't only wanna see links to music.
just deleted a canterberry tale 1944 from my hard drive for obvious reasons
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoRadjZCVm8&list=OLAK5uy_mO_345bhXAcbfky9Puy_gi6tZTjSwPnQo&index=9https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mO_345bhXAcbfky9Puy_gi6tZTjSwPnQoLove these pieces. I wish there was a orchestral version of the entire set too, it's only the first six or so iirc.>>124062111lol
>>124061552>rockist mentality.Can the sisterposter describe why he listens to music? After that, can he describe why others listen to music? And why did we evolve to listen to music?
>>124062184evolution is pseudo-science the word you're looking for is develop for example why did we develop an interest in music
>>124062184borderline schizophrenic post
>>124062235Why don't you answer the question?
>>124062261>>124062262I'm replying to sisterposter, whichever you are
>>124062281you are mentally ill
How do we feel about luc ferrari? I think he deserves as much mainstream recognition as what stockhausen and xenakis get https://youtu.be/r-JNWCEYuSQ
Always funny when sisterposter avoids answering basic questions
>>124062184>>124062296Actually I'm curious as well.
>>124062235Pseudo-intelligent post
>>124062299ah yes, basic questions such as “what is the meaning of life” and “how did consciousness evolve”?>>124062327so am i!
>>124062299just like how she avoids her bans
>>124062357>studies suggest that music may activate brain regions tied to emotions and reward, such as the nucleus accumbens and amygdala, contributing to the pleasure we derive from it. It may have also served as a precursor to language, enhancing vocal imitation and communication skills in early human societies.https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/52790/the-adaptive-role-of-musicality-in-human-evolutionhttps://academic.oup.com/edited-volume/34489/chapter-abstract/292607041?redirectedFrom=fulltexttl;dr humans evolved to enjoy music because of its role in emotional expression and social cohesionI guess we evolved into rockists, then devolved it to classical music, at least according to your demented logic.
>>124062439>I guess we evolved into rockists, then devolved it to classical music, at least according to your demented logic.literal insane rambling based on self-imposed persecution.
music is worthless without emotion and expressiveness.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2vLEQno9Ks
>>124062513guess that makes pollini worthless because he's expressionless as fuck
>>124062625>pollini>expressionless
>>124061765https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg34Ovkpyio
>>124062695yeah, that's kind of the main thing he was criticized for throughout his entire career, even at his peak. first time you're finding out about this? it's even mentioned on his wikipedia page. >He studied with pianist Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli for six months in the early 1960s. Michelangeli's repertoire was select and polished by rigorous practice.[18][b] Pollini obtained "a precise technique and emotional restraint".[20] Some expressed concern that Michelangeli's influence led to Pollini's style becoming "mannered and cold"[17] or "drier, more cerebral".[13] While known for exceptional technique, Pollini was criticized for emotional conservatism.[21] John Rockwell summarized Pollini's "hard‐edged and modern" style as one of "coolness, intensity and virtuosity", noting his tonal control and "sheer dexterity".[22]
>>124062705He wasn't the greatest Chopinist, but I do not affirm with that statement.
>>124062439Pretty sure that only says what music does, not why humans evolved the faculties to enjoy it. The true reason is God. Or it's purely an accident, an exploit upon our senses, or something.
>>124062779i don't really give a shit about chopin, i just thought it was extraordinarily funny for you to proclaim the merits of emotional expressiveness while posting a recording of a pianist notorious for emotionally restrained performances. kinda almost like you don't know what you're talking about.
>>124062807Almost like it's subjective.
>>124062807I mean just because he's restrained doesn't mean he isn't still expressing something. Stop bullying.
>>124062819Applying relativism to music comes either from an ideological feeling that all should be equal, a deeply sickening idea that any form of artistic production is good within itself and that there is no standard to judge art, or from the realization that judging music comes to a dead-end; that it may not be objectively judged, and thus that such a debate, that is, comparing two different levels of art or artists, would be an impossible, superfluous one, given the fact that one could always retreat in his subjective appreciation of the given artist you are criticizing.Of course, any discussion about music implies some kind of discussion ethics, if I may use the term: both speakers accept, upon entering a discussion, a certain set of rules, if this term could be applied --- this set of rules implies that the discussion will be rational.If such a discussion were to happen, one could easily point out that Mozart's musical form is more complicated than that of, say, all of popular music. Two rational persons will have to agree on this. Someone disagreeing is not considered rational anymore, or is simply too uneducated to sustain the discussion. Thus the discussion ends. But if both agree, then we may start comparing every single aspect of Mozart's music to that of popular music, coming to the conclusion that everything about Mozart is more complex. Yet -- complexity does not mean the music is better, it only means it is better within this given aspect. As the discussion goes on, the person defending Art music will be able to quote and use the whole canon, hereby proving the artistic - not emotional or anything like that - superiority of Art music. In an objective way.Only someone afraid of participating in such a debate would indulge in using relativistic arguments or refusing to discuss, on grounds of subjectivity.
>>124062819not really, no. it's pretty fucking objective that pollini takes his tempi straight, prioritizes clarity of voicing over lushness of sonority, and takes dynamic and tempo markings extremely literally to a fault. all of those things combined are considered emotionally conservative by the general classical music audience, your failure to recognize this only betrays your own lack of knowledge. >>124062827he's certainly not expressing very much compared to the likes of rubinstein or cortot, who were considerably less emotionally restrained and took far more liberties with their interpretations. and even so, there's nothing wrong with this, pollini's chopin is no less legitimate. but pretending that it's somehow emotional and expressive is fucking comical.
>>124062802>GodStopped reading and typing right there.Neck, faggot, neck.
now playingstart of Symphony No. 8 in E-Flat, "Symphony of a Thousand"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPf-6P8utlk&list=OLAK5uy_llPwY5bVDBwNl2AWUAcP2DFQZgM5QA3Uk&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_llPwY5bVDBwNl2AWUAcP2DFQZgM5QA3Uk
ok which piece is thathttps://vocaroo.com/19PPeTWFhWMvI tried searching by notes but had no luck
>>124062899https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=zpMdr9nBJc0
hopefully this anon is still around but>>124020530finally listened to some of these and wow they sound great
>>124062846>that it may not be objectively judged,There is a medium, it can be (and it IS) both subjective and objective(only within a context).An extremist approach is always logically invalid and chooses to ignore many aspects of the argument. The answer is both: subjective AND objective.
>>124062934pollini is objectively a cold pianist. whether or not you like this is subjective. but trying to fight against the former is a fool's errand.
>>124062952Whether the "coldness" is emotional or not is subjective.
>>124062970coldness literally means a lack of emotional expressiveness; so no, this semantic bullshit is not subjective either, you're just an uninformed retard.
>>124062981>you're uninformed and don't actually understand your own emotions
>>124062995you're uninformed, retarded, and you don't know how to differentiate things you like from things that are genuinely emotionally expressive, yes.
>>124063012So if something is "genuinely emotionally expressive", yet it has no emotional impact on me, how is it really "genuinely emotionally expressive"?
>>124063038it's almost like emotional expressiveness does not necessarily mean that one agrees or resonate with said expression. furtwangler is one of the most expressive conductors ever recorded but i think his expressions were fucking retarded. that doesn't make him any less expressive though.
>>124062885Damn these soloists are no good. Ruined recording, sad.
>>124063056>emotional expressiveness has nothing to do with emotions but rather some arbitrary playing techniques which i think are emotionalIs this really your take? lol
>>124063112>i'm a fucking illiterate retardis this really your standard of reading? lollet me rephrase it in baby retard words: just because something is expressive doesn't mean you have to like the way it is expressed. does this make sense to your autistic mind?
He is a cold, objective performer, but that does not mean that you cannot have an emotional reaction to his playing style, especially since the music itself is usually charged of so much emotion inherent in the score.
Sibelius lovers: favorite recordings of each symphony? Or favorite cycle?
I can't read sheet music, play the notes and count 1 e & a in my head at the same time
>>124062235>evolution is pseudo-scienceLEL
>>124063056Perhaps it'd be useful for you to explain to the folks what emotional expressiveness means
>>124063383The folks at home or the live studio audience?
>>124063405the ones in his head
>>124063405Try both
>>124063130That is what you said:" that pollini takes his tempi straight, prioritizes clarity of voicing over lushness of sonority, and takes dynamic and tempo markings extremely literally to a fault. all of those things combined are considered emotionally conservative by the general classical music audience,"
>>124063312i can't say. but if you're into karajan make sure to get 1985 DG Galleria 439 527-2 and 439 982-2 for symphony nos. 4 & 7 and nos. 5 & 6 respectively. additionally, barbarolli (2021) and berglund (2024) have complete cycles which have been remastered by art et sons.
>>124063497yeah, these are all considered to be emotionally restrained and cold. that doesn’t mean it has to be emotionally appealing or unappealing to any specific person, because guess what, that’s subjective. you know what isn’t subjective? pollini being inexpressive, you fucking retard.
>>124063555Thanks!
>>124063560Do you have an example of some emotionally expressive Chopin then? And there's no need to be rude anon
>>124063580i already mentioned rubinstein and cortot.
>>124063580Not him, but I think this is an apt comparison since he uses Pollini as an example of rather straight laced Chopin. https://youtu.be/2qLVvfqYP4g?t=673
>>124063580>there's no need to be rude anonyou suggested my post was pseudo-intelligent and told anon to neck, faggot neck
>>124063636You're confusing me with someone else
>>124063636schizophrenia
Stott!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nmgNPPlME&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94
Anyone wanna go see the Seattle Symphony with me sometime? Just moved to Washington.
Why haven't you listened to Schubert's late period masterpiece today?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-8uFX5Im68
>>124064622Didn't know Schubert had four and a half hours of violin music. Will be checking this out.
>>124064601you’re too late, they lost the best thing to ever happen to them like 2 years ago
I wonder if anyone ever coughed on purpose during a live recording of a concert as a surreptitious means of leaving their mark on the release, a small blip of aural graffiti on artistic immortality.
>>124064912I recorded ennio morricone live and normies were coughing everywhere. their main character syndrome requires they do something to remind people they're there or some equally facile and self important reason. they cant be quiet because theyll cease to exist or some shit.
>>124064912as if any concerts today are good enough to warrant artistic immortality
>>124064912I don't know about that, but probably the most famous cough in all of record history is the one in Toscanini's 1938 Eroica. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9wmcLKe1o
>>124065033I'd imagine modern recording techniques and equipment are better at filtering that stuff out, ye? That's funny tho
>>124065096Gotta give props both for timing and coughing technique>>124065039I'm an optimist.
>>124065098It's really easy to filter out coughs, yes.
>>124065033Maybe they were just coughing?
>>124065148So my plan is totally unviable? :(
What's your favorite piano work fromBach:Haydn:Mozart:Beethoven:Schubert:Brahms:Schumann:
>>124065314>Bach:BWV 853>Haydn:H. 16/52>MozartK. 475>BeethovenOp. 109>Schubert:D. 960>BrahmsOp. 117>SchumannOp. 13
>>124065130you’re only setting yourself up for disappointment
>>124065314>Bach:Art of Fugue>Haydn:No. 62, Hob. XVI/52>Mozart:No. 11, K. 331>Beethoven:No. 23, Op. 57 or No. 32, Op. 111>Schubert:D959>Brahms:Hungarian Dances>Schumannmaybe Carnaval, Op. 9, or Kreisleriana, Op. 16
now playingstart of Britten: Spring Symphony Op. 44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KekR30VMxAU&list=OLAK5uy_l0hvAAd4W7Pxyp_-e6CetbDLyuCepRWuQ&index=2start of Britten: Hymn to St. Cecilia Op. 27https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhjPETsmtU&list=OLAK5uy_l0hvAAd4W7Pxyp_-e6CetbDLyuCepRWuQ&index=14https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l0hvAAd4W7Pxyp_-e6CetbDLyuCepRWuQ
>>124065682So I know Stravinsky and Schoenberg and the like were doing this kind of stuff before, but why did choral music start sounding this way with modernism? Like the choir is holding a séance.
>>124065682it might come as a surprise maybe even a shock but britten was a homosexual
>>124065682music to have sex with little boys to
>>124065838Well at least he wasn't a boylo->>124065888oh
>>124065906>Britten was, as he himself acknowledged, notorious for dumping friends and colleagues who either offended him or ceased to be of use to him – his "corpses". The conductor Sir Charles Mackerras believed that the term was invented by Lord Harewood. Both Mackerras and Harewood joined the list of corpses, the former for joking that the number of boys in Noye's Fludde must have been a delight to the composer
>>124065831Come to think of it, a lot of modernist music sounds sp00ky. Truly music in reaction to the literal horrors of technological society and modernity, I suppose.
>A karate punch breaking things.>Ah no, my bad, its a hand resting on books.
Music for the weekend. Whats your plan /classical/?
>>124066139Mozart's chamber music, probably. String quintets and piano trios and the like.
For me it's Mozart's 9th Piano Concertohttps://youtu.be/HXIZUz5mD18?si=G7wPXVNl5u5wVWAm
Finally, a good recording of Brahms' Serenade No. 2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O_y8fR7sQQ&list=OLAK5uy_mDO7jCn3G1ItbWOAlr49s-UedqfZU8GGE&index=1Abbado's is fine but always felt it could be better, excellent as his Brahms is otherwise. Most others I've heard have been outright bad.
>>124066256I want to start the same, but I like to listen to whole works and Mozart chamber is massive. What would be a good subset of Mozart's? By years?
>>124065952It was mostly a reaction to the horrors of both world wars, like most art from the era. What baffles me is that contemporary (1950 and after) composers keep making that kind of music when the world was in a better state at least until recently.
>>124065923>>124065682holy based Britten like being a great Mozart condutor wasn't enough
>>124065314>BachMusical Offering because it's his only piano work>HaydnSeven Last Words piano version>Mozarteither Sonata for two hands no. 3 in F, K. 497 or Sonata 15>BeethovenSonata 31>SchubertGrand Duo Op. 140>BrahmsFour Pieces>SchumannGesange der fruhe
>>124067309Not bad!
>>124066691If you insist on going through them all, then either chronologically or by form/genre, yeah.
For me, it's the Hammerklavier performed by Backhaus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBHKehNxImw&list=OLAK5uy_lu4-pT-RW3Ck6isUKWooYLiC7xbsZtrXo&index=4
Which Haydn quartets are better or more memorable than his Emperor Quartet?
>>124052251Just read a review that made me realize Sibelius was still alive when Karajan recorded his music for EMI ("The octogenarian composer’s response to Karajan’s forays into the repertoire was notably enthusiastic; for Sibelius, the Austrian conductor was 'the one who best understands my music.'"). Wild. I wonder what the equivalent scenario actively occurring today is. I hope there is at least one.
Favorite Haydn symphony?
>>124068428Drumroll please...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAylNdufljg&list=OLAK5uy_n3DxK0I12x1sDVWoaXvTfTgmstl9JIyuo&index=9
