Schubert Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY7Kdi5oWn0This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious:
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>>124076285arrau sucks cock
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeExYh1k0pU
>>124076309I like his Chopin collection. I only have Ashkenazy because it's (I think) complete, but every version of Arrau's is noticeably better. My 2c.
W.
>>124076702/thread/
>>124076702Wienerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzTMx7FaEMo
>>124072124I liked the Appalachian Spring from this recording.
>>124076693ashkenazy is fucking dogshit, so the bar is on the floor in that regard
>>124076934what do you know?
>>124076960that arrau sucks cock, and ashkenazy sucks even more cock
Wagner Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k_A0jHplE
now playingstart of Symphony No. 5 in D Major, IRV. 86https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPCpLHd5uVw&list=OLAK5uy_nk5Xl73mydzH3A_ilRpZzqpBnPmErJodU&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nk5Xl73mydzH3A_ilRpZzqpBnPmErJodU
>>124076934Who else has the complete works of Chopin? Or others... he was so extensive with a lot of stuff. I don't know how he found the time.
>>124077000Wagner wouldn't be remembered anymore than Grieg, if it wasn't for his other antics - and then the later antics of others.Gets utterly mogged by Tchaikovsky in his own time, just as everyone did. There can only be one who brought classical to it's peak and it isn't Wagner.Just saying. I'm tired of the Wagner cuck, wherever he is.
>>124077077Tchaikovsky is good for a Slav. Unfortunately his intellectual value is diminished by his gushing and "Vaginal" characteristic, being a homosexual, unlike the firm "Penile" Wagner.
>>124077077>I'm tired of the Wagner cuck, wherever he is.samehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAJyQWJm9I0
>>124077109This fascination with cocks makes you sound gay yourself. Tchaikovsky, like a true fag, appreciated females even more than normal men. Kind of like fashion designers. Especially when fags ran the fashion industry, it was nothing but the hottest chicks in the world. Give control to anyone and it goes down the drain with plus size hambeasts and trannies.
>>124077135give control to anyone else*
>>124077219>thank you boyloverNope, just giving some room for true patrician faggots. They understand women somehow.
>>124076285Arrau rules!
>>124077251I don't even know what OP or this hate is on about. Some feud I missed out on? Lttp.I just know my ears and he does indeed rule.
>>124077283So the Arrau hater is also the Wagner cuck. Makes sense.
>>124077077Tchaikovsky is children's music compared with Wagner. Get some taste.
>>124077294>“Amen, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."-Matthew 18:3
>>124077303he said “become like children” not “like children”, boylover
>>124077293That's the sisterposter. My sister senses were tingling
>>124077307This is mindrot, at its worst.Get help. I'm not insulting you. Just do it.
>>124077314help with what, molesting children, boylover?
>wagnerdionysusthe beginningthe masterthe end
Haydnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReHRuge9Apo
>>124077424>dionySUS
>>124077430Spot the odd one out
Many scholars have often argued that regardless of his Christian afflictions, Wagner privately worshipped the god Dionysus or Bacchus in his roman orientation. He was fascinated by the Greek culture, reading countless books centered around Greek Mythos and cities like Ithaca, Sparta and Athens. He saw the German culture in decline, often saying how Jews have modernized and raped the very foundation of art. Beseeched by Bacchus and guided by Odin, Wagner undertook the arduous journey of restoring what he called European music and tradition.
>>124077467>Wagner privately worshipped the god Dionysus or Bacchus in his roman orientationWhat does this mean?
>>124077503it means he was a retard
I'm having fun with this but the early music fucking sucks
>>124077503it means he was a tranny
>>124077514Please leave the thread
how many cocks do you think wagner sucked?
>>124077116Tchaikovsky's string quartets are so good, especially the 1st and 3rd.
>>124077555Talking about learning a classical instrument isn't allowed?
>>124077557innumerable>>124077567evidently not
>>124077514Record some :D
>>124077570>evidently notI'd say just below the quality of Mendelssohn's best ones, tied with Faure's, and above Schumann's.
>>124077569Please dont trash talk the beautiful early music. But seriously, what about the practice? Thinking about getting a soprano o alto recorder. Luck for me, I love medieval, renaissence music.
>>124077601>Luck for me, I love medieval, renaissence music.The early music in that book is that, and not simplistic, boring exercises?
>>124077594Justify in detail
>>124077636Music after the 17th century is not worth listening to, for the most part. Music affects the soul; Plato said that music is integral to a healthy society; a Chinese emperor said that he could tell the health of his provinces by the character of the music which was popular in each of them; Lenin said that he knew no quicker way of corrupting a people than bad music. So why poison your soul with the violent and distasteful music of the 18th century, the brooding and evil romanticism of the 19th century, or the schizophrenic and malignant "music" of the 20th century? The popular music of today is nothing but pornography mixed with cloying sentimentalism; cheapo McDonald's music for cheapo McDonald's souls.I don't think you can listen to Mozart and not become a flamboyant socialite obsessed with "beauty" (vanity).I don't think you can listen to Beethoven and not become a disturbed, brooding revolutionary intent on self-glorification and an arbitrary "justice".I don't think you can listen to Chopin and not become a pretty little girl fond of nostalgic memories.I don't think you can listen to Wagner and not become a raping and pillaging pagan.I don't think you can listen to Mahler and not become a neurotic Jew.I don't think you can listen to Stockhausen and not become Satan.
>>124077637I'm just talking about my own enjoyment, not objective compositional quality or historical importance.
>>124077636I'm not talking about the music in the book.
>>124077594LOOOOOOL, delusional>>124077637it jerks off his feefees like tchaikovsky jerking off his nephew
>>124077663My point is that original anon was, so you were bringing up something completely unrelated lol.
>>124077650I detest personal preferences passed as theoric talking points. I love early music, but later works are fine.
>Classical album image cover>Schubert' Winterreise (winter road)>The image is a road in winter
dude every composer, conductor, and performer is shit. will i back up my statement? absolutely not. just know that that everything you're listening to and everyone involved is dogshit. wagner good jews bad. i'm the based aryan (larping brownoid) intellectual.
>>124069033>>124075393I've begun to really enjoy chamber orchestra versions of string quartets as of late (eg. Shostakovich's), this is great stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH4o1-IhoSY&list=OLAK5uy_m3g5x157gzIurlEwDsWK3_2JJSbYLkO5c&index=1Of symphonies is disgusting stuff though, outside of attending some kind of novelty live performance, but at home when you have options? Hell no.
Any recommendations for great violin recordings? (concertos, sonatas, etc)
I understand Beethoven belongs to the classical era, but what about Schubert?
>>124077809https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=oSCuAP_QrK4XnGhR
>>124077809tired-unamused-pepe.flac.jpgcan you be a little more specific, anon?also this, from the last thread:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-8uFX5Im68check out the entire release if you're into it. but yeah if you want more you gotta be a little more specific lol
>>124077809For works, check out the relevant sections on this page:https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/eg. string duo sonatas, string concertos, solo string, etcIf you want specific recordings though, you gotta tell us the specific works you want them for.
>>124077792Wagner broke you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8_ozplK-6w
Karajan!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jynB-t1mUnY&list=OLAK5uy_lcHG-D8ifsJk33UekVXs7CSuAjfpCWBrI&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nU1BSdGKK8&list=OLAK5uy_lcHG-D8ifsJk33UekVXs7CSuAjfpCWBrI&index=3In love with this recording, so good.
>>124077891one of the worst schubert recordings ever made
>>124077815Attempts to look upon Schubert as a herald of the Romantic era are not convincing; in the final count he must be placed among the Classical composers. It is true that formal grace and balance in his compositions are often sacrificed to the exuberance of his imagination, but Romanticism is not the tendency to distort or modify Classical forms, but to dispense with them; and this Schubert was incapable of doing. Except the Fourth Symphony, none of his works bears a title of his own bestowing, none carries a programme, none is labelled with extra-musical hints. On the contrary - and the point has been made - his mature work grows more conventional.
>>124077891one of the best schubert recordings ever made
>>124077904You get the playful beauty of Szell and (some of) sublime profundity of Wand and Furtwangler in one.
>>124077914>Romanticism is not the tendency to distort or modify Classical forms, but to dispense with themRetarded fanfiction. Romanticism is any of the music typical of the styles in the Romantic era. Classical form did not die in the Romantic era.
>>124077914i guess brahms wasn’t a romantic either then>>124077927wand and furtwangler aren’t profound, they’re retarded (both literally and figuratively). also what the fuck is “playful beauty”? you sound like such a fucking douchebag.
Thoughts
>>124078026more interesting than good
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONc4sSXuQUY
>>124078026Wasn’t there a poster here who loved microtones?
>>124078060stupid people are everywhere, yes
>>124078085you don't need to reply to everything you know
>>124078091he craves cock
>>124078091you don’t need to reply to everything i post you know
>>124078102wagner?
>>124078091Apparently he does
>>124078111wagner is dead anon
>>124078142but yet he craves cock from the grave….
>>124078026A family of autists.
Serious: what was Wagner's influence on music? What did he change about how composers wrote after him?
>>124078189transsexuality
>>124078189It Was Wagner and Ludwig The II who created Neuschwanstein, the castle which inspire Walt Disney and his entire career. Without Wagner there will be no Disney, no fairy tales, no pre-war thinkers and leaders. Without Wagner there would have been no german nationalism, no Hitler, no Bruckner, no Mahler (Ironically a Jew), no Schoenberg (Ironically a Jew). The German Spirit was founded by Beethoven and Awakened by Wagner.
>>124078225thank you vagnersis
>>124078225>Without Wagner there would have been no german nationalism, no Hitler …no Schoenberg Sounds like he was a bad influence to me
>>124078225I have noticed a lot of music afterwards has a kind of 'magical,' whimsical sound full of varied instrumentation and melodies you didn't really hear beforehand, so the Disney connection makes sense.
>>124078260yes, it makes sense that vagner was the progenitor of disney goyslop
>>124077054Garrick Ohlsson>>124077077>There can only be one who brought classical to it's peak and it isn't Wagner.ScriabinLots of mindbroken anglos and germs in the thread, probably of Jewish ancestry too. Explains the fixation on sexually subversive language.
>>124077650What's the take on Scriabin, Busoni and Tchaikovsky?
>>124078262Pretty sure I've seen you give M*hler credit for innovating that kind of sound too.
>>124078189He pushed harmony, orchestration and thematic unity to new extremes, with the effect of fulfilling the romantic ambition of turning opera into serious drama.
>>124078293Thank you. Any specific examples of the first three?
>>124078324>schizophreniaSome guy said he tried M*hler and it sounded like Disney music and you said 'other way around' I'm pretty sure. Could have been someone else I guess.
>>124078332schizophrenic delusions
now playingstart of Ives: Piano Sonata No. 2 "Concord"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtgkT-2ZU8Q&list=OLAK5uy_mXLnnpegH8LQJ0lXiQGAnV-Z2D5x1FjjE&index=2start of Barber: Piano Sonata in E-Flat Minor, Op. 26https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jmd4rC6MW4&list=OLAK5uy_mXLnnpegH8LQJ0lXiQGAnV-Z2D5x1FjjE&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mXLnnpegH8LQJ0lXiQGAnV-Z2D5x1FjjEeditorial excerpt:>Marc-André Hamelin is known for his extraordinary technique that allows him to play the most difficult, demanding music with an ease and comfort level others, even many with admired technical abilities, can't match. One of the burdens of such keyboard facility is that audiences are so dazzled they don't always realize what a penetrating interpreter he is, and tend to take his brilliance for granted. This Ives-Barber disc will put that to rest. Yes, he easily meets the incredibly complex demands of the "Hawthorne" movement of the Ives Sonata and the outer movements of the Barber Sonata (the final fugue inspired by Horowitz, who premiered the work). But one comes away from these performances in awe of the poetic lyricism displayed by Hamelin, the reflective portions of the Ives registering their profundity. Overall, he fearlessly adopts faster tempos than usual, to the benefit of structural clarity and visceral excitement of both works. Hamelin's are now the preferred versions of both of these American masterpieces. --Dan Davisand the top Amazon review beings:>This CD contains probably the two greatest piano sonatas composed by Americans. Some might disagree, but few will disagree that they are great, if not at the very top of any list... As to the Ives, frankly, I agree with Lawrence Gilman's reaction when he heard the première by John Kirkpatrick of the 'Concord' Sonata in 1938: 'This sonata is exceptionally great music--it is, indeed, the greatest music composed by an American, and the most deeply and essentially American in impulse and implication.'
>>124078443and the top Amazon review begins*, not beingsIn any case, should be a great listen.
>>124078443more interesting than good
>>124078460That's my experience of a lot of solo piano music from this time, but since the reviews lead off with praising the works as great as enjoyable music, and not, say, groundbreaking experiments or intriguing conceptual pieces which will really get you to reconsider the nature of what music can be, it's got me hopeful. We shall see!
>>124076866Glad to hear! Definitely gotta explore more Copland myself.
>>124078515not really, it’s just ives.
>>124078515He's just repeating a quote from Carter because sisteranon can only regurgitate memes
>>124077937>also what the fuck is “playful beauty”?are you genuinely (as in diagnosed) autistic?
>>124078623I've accepted that's just how Zoomers speak.
>>124078312They're usually all working together, but for harmony, see the prelude to Tristan with the opening Tristan chord, for orchestration see the prelude to Lohengrin and its combination of various wind instruments to create an entirely unique sound which negates the unique sound of the individual instruments. For thematic unity, you can take the third act prelude of Siegfried, but it will obviously require being familiar with the themes to be able to identify them.
>>124078637no, i’m just not a pretentious midwit with his head up his own ass
>>124078693Much appreciated.
another unfamiliar Mass in B minor recording to tryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-A9ZjUMZlo&list=OLAK5uy_mKMy6RF93a6wd_WPWGYOX6ZVsF8wQCtr8&index=1
>>124079025used to love this one years ago but kinda grew colder towards it
>>124079025I like that one. He's pretty sensitive in the slow movements especially
>>124079046>>124079056Nice, glad to hear. Also added his Haydn's The Creation and Hamburg 1893 version of Mahler 1, excited for them all.
now playingstart of Berg: Chamber Concerto for Piano, Violin and 13 Wind Instrumentshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrzbFPllyWA&list=OLAK5uy_nFVSJfk5qNLhRKpE15RqO6kgm4m6B85Q4&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nFVSJfk5qNLhRKpE15RqO6kgm4m6B85Q4
>>124079264fucking richter recorded the chamber concerto? what the hell? is this the only example of him playing a serial work?
>>124076934>>124077054Ashkenazy/Previn is the best Rach 2 (his 3 is too slow). He is one of the GOATs.
>>124080037the gayest of all time, maybe
>>124080126Why?
>>124080037I always read 'Rach 2' as his symphony at first even though people 99% of the time mean the piano concertos, and the 1% is me! Anyway, have you heard pic? Was my go-to recording for over a decade. Granted I think there are lots of great recordings of it, and Ashkenazy/Previn is up there (though I always preferred Ashkenazy/Haitink), so there's tons of valid answers.
>>124079025What's going on in this album cover anyway? Setting up wiring for the recording equipment? Or are those lines from an overlaid, faded image? I'm confused.
>>124080178because he sucks cock.
Since, if I'm not mistaken, the WTC was primarily written as a set of training exercises, would Bach find it amusing how beloved and revered we find them as a work of art today?
Richter!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vg3U4I49ic&list=OLAK5uy_nH1RhBmiGY5KymY6qs399IG_WbkdaHWSs&index=1
>>124080603by this logic, no one should be worshipping the chopin etudes either
>>124080603>primarily written as a set of training exercisesCitation needed.You may be thinking of the Inventions and Sinfonias?
>>124080603training exercise might not be the most accurate description. The WTC is more like a lecture series in music appreciation.
>>124080729https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRGwALS968c
PETZOLD
WAGNER
https://files.catbox.moe/ans411.webmonegai sauce
Mozart Erected the Form of Music so that Wagner could provide the Orgasm.
Where would be easiest to listen to large numbers of different renditions of particular standards? I have a few 10+ year old low quality youtube rips of several short marches, piano pieces, ect. and now for the life of me I cannot find the original videos or identify the performers.
>>124080200>and the 1% is me!As well as me, I don't think it's really 1%, i say 'Rach 2' for both, it's always obvious from the context which one I mean.As for Cliburn's Rach 2, I think it's top tier performance but 'ok' recording. It just doesn't sound as huge and 'overwhelming' as Ashkenazy/Previn or any other modern recordings. Lugansky is also great(for both 2&3)
>>124080989Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no. 1.now fuck off.
>>124081093woops, meant for:>>124080918
now playingstart of Idyll for String Orchestra, JW 6/3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcz33cnUlYU&list=OLAK5uy_l3T3CZtR2fJubr5DtZDoLka28ifygXrMU&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l3T3CZtR2fJubr5DtZDoLka28ifygXrMU
>>124077868Neat
Can't tell if this Poulenc trio is utterly disgusting or a refreshing, charming piece:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opjza1mpujc&list=OLAK5uy_l4CNjX7NHezwnSVY2UD4gj2jDVQdznbWI&index=1Perhaps both. Typical of the Fr*nch.
>>124081093thanks shazamB-flat minor rules
>>124081197Brits (and also Americans) are worse than the French in every way(not just classical music), which is why I don't understand this amount of French hate.
>>124081352On the last point I was just meme-ing, I quite like Poulenc overall. But I would take, say, Elgar and Vaughan Williams over any Fr*nch composer, though there are of course some where I like some of their music.
Is he correct in his theory that Mozart would have played along to the tuttis when his concertos were initially performed? I kinda felt like the instrument's entrance being delayed in Mozart's concertos was always part of telling a musical story. Especially with how the orchestra always tends to go completely quiet when the piano begins playing. It makes less sense to me that the instrument would keep playing throughout the tuttis as that would somewhat defeat the purpose of the tuttis being as long as they tend to be, would it not? Or was the original intention that everyone plays and then a spotlight is shun upon piano?
Will Koopman make a recording of HWV 50?
>>124081197ah, France. the sewer drain of western Europe.
>>124081352with Americans it depends on their background.
>>124081352The Anglo musical tradition basically sterilized itself as a result of their Puritan/Viking mindset.
Debussy is so magical
>>124081833https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoYgi3K3bMA
It's Sunday you heathens. I hope you aren't listening to s*cular profanity.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQN3Jb7N3Qs
>>124081833If by "magical" you mean gay then yes
>>124078253Schoenberg was great
>>124082923yeah, great shit
>>124082957Based sis! Own that transphobic chud
Any Purcell love in this thread?
>>124083358yeah
"November Woods" Symphonic Poem - Arnold Baxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx_ozJ2wbB4
>List of worst fanbases in /classical/:>Fans of Wagner>Thats it
>>124083591In fairness, Wagner is probably the only composer that I would qualify as having a 'fanbase' resembling anything like the general usage of that word.
lads am I going deaf or this recording really quiet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HIrhbDnup0
wagner is dogshit
>>124083697
>>124083358Overrated
I am done. Done with general. Done with it all. Done with this existence. I reject what it has to offer. I reject what any of you filthy monkeys, carbon filth, less important than dirt... no, even dirt has more importance than a human, the word "filthy" is itself degraded when its attached to such a despicable entity like a human. Even the most foulest and irritating bug, a maggot so to speak has more worth than a man. Tell me the ways to erode myself. Teach me the method to eviscerate my flesh. Drop my corpse in a sewer so a human can never touch it again.I will leave this circus. I will disappear into the realm of waves, and there exist such music... I know there exist a musical chord... a wave that has eluded me for years... I will force that theophany to reveal itself infront of me, to take me and consume me and I... consequently will consume everything.
>>124083789See you tomorrow sister
>>124083789Find on the grail
>>124083675prelude a lapes midi fone faune is l. 87a, not l. 86 also martinon's preludes a larpes midi dun faune was remasted by art et sons in 2018https://files.catbox.moe/qwkaii.mp3
>>124084036>prelude a lapes midi fone faune is l. 87a, not l. 86It's both.
>>124084036So is anon going deaf or?
Anons status after some composers:>Bach: elevated spirit>Mozart: sublimated soul>Beethoven: energized will>Wagner: mind brokenWhy is that?
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecM2roc00ns
>>124085081>violin partita>on a guitarhuh?
I knew a chick so fat in college she had to go to class on a little cart and needed an aparatus to breathe going up her nose at all times
>>124085206sounds about right. academia caters to demographics who are heavily invested in their surrounding economies, i.e. consumers.
>>124085091That's what an arrangement is.
now playingSibelius: The Oceanides. Tone Poem For Orchestra, Op. 73https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeB0yxSnJMk&list=OLAK5uy_kJVWBPmbr2voj67l3rJ2e93BZXIjH-H98&index=7start of Sibelius: King Christian, Op. 27 - Suitehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBQZY4UWvzw&list=OLAK5uy_kJVWBPmbr2voj67l3rJ2e93BZXIjH-H98&index=7https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJVWBPmbr2voj67l3rJ2e93BZXIjH-H98
>>124085534It's interesting how rich in melodies Sibelius' tone poems and suites and orchestral music are but his symphonies are, for the most part, boring, texture soundscapes.
>>124085534the worst composer in the world
>>124085688There are things in Sibelius's symphonies that music had never done before, new kinds of sounds at the outer limits of orchestral possibility. At one pole of his imagination are the evocations of epic landscapes, as in the unforgettable big tunes at the end of the Second or Fifth. At the other, there's the microscopic detail of his orchestration, the subtlety and shimmer of his string-writing-- as if Sibelius had taken the lens of his musical imagination and zoomed in on individual pine needles in the vast forests of his Finnish homeland.
>>124086003The suite sounds like Bruckner with some Finnish flair, give it a try.
https://youtu.be/7Q0toEhKRWkI am in the mood for more marches, which composer or piece do go to?
It's easy to deny the modernism of Sibelius because it is not obvious. But study reveals the work of an unrelenting modernist that was hiding just beneath the facade of late Romanticism. Sibelius is also a master of rhythm and form, as well of modality. He's a great "quiet" innovator. Perhaps one reason Sibelius has attracted both the praise and the ire of critics is that in each of his seven symphonies he approached the basic problems of form, tonality, and architecture in unique, individual ways. On the one hand, his symphonic (and tonal) creativity was novel, while others thought that music should be taking a different route.
Debussy La Merhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOCucJw7iT8&ab_channel=IlaryRhineKlange
>>124086038https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uvMgL4m2Cc&list=OLAK5uy_mkkrPKVF1B69Oo0nH8gL6-FwlGG5B-gNU&index=1
>>124086028>>124086064still the worst composer in the world>>124086031evidently not
>>124085091>A violin partita....on a GUITAR? Huh??
>>124086143Cool story tranny janny
>>124086028>>124086064Okay but I just care if it sounds good, and the symphonies are, for the most part, snoozefests.
>>124086293thanks obsessed schizo
>>124086275I bet you and that faggot have the same politics
Philip Glass Harpsichord Concerto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q0dSrX1kks&ab_channel=KeinePartituren
Karajan!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZj1hTgYmbU&list=OLAK5uy_l6iscHEH0ZEZjKgYY3fq_Mj0EvAQTp6uU&index=1Falling back in love with Karajan's Brahms. Anyone have opinions on which recordings or cycles of his are the best? Listened to his digital recording of Brahms' 4th from the 80s and while overall great, there are some occasional very weird balancing and orchestration emphasis decisions.Also didn't know he recorded any of the piano concertos, so this is my first time listening to this recording, should be good.
>>124086450You'd be very much wrong
>>124086450And the award for worst post of the day goes to... just completely nonsensical and idiotic.
>>124086493karajan's brahms fucking sucks dude, your taste is getting worse as time goes on.
>>124086493made me cringe
>>124086529I used to think so too but I've come around on it. Karajan's sound and approach just clicks with me, what can I say? That Op. 83 though isn't so great, admittedly. Changing to a different one.
>>124078637The answer is a resounding YES
>>124086590i can say that you need to get a grip because you’re listening to progressively shittier recordings as time goes on.>>124086673thanks obsessed schizo
>>124086719I've always loved Karajan. It's not like I'm posting Thielemann.
>>124086749>i’ve always loved syphillis, it’s not like i’m posting about HIV???
now playingstart of Schmidt: Symphony No. 4 In C Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbvl-MtPrHI&list=OLAK5uy_mr5JFq7lKymCIpdUsULUi_UT69vamTJoM&index=2Schoenberg: Chamber Symphony No. 1, Op. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28UpBa8Hbn0&list=OLAK5uy_mr5JFq7lKymCIpdUsULUi_UT69vamTJoM&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mr5JFq7lKymCIpdUsULUi_UT69vamTJoMSchmidt and Schoenberg -- just needed some Schubert to complete the 'Sch' musical triptych.
Philip Glass Music In Twelve Partshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rMuwBA8xMw&ab_channel=NiKusch
>>124085206That's fucked up. I can't help but picture a wheelbarrow
Minimalism reigns supreme.
>>124086858kekYou really think Karajan's Brahms is *that* bad? I respect your opinion and knowledge but that's wild to me. I suspect you would think it's merely fine if it were conducted by anyone else, but since it's the K-man your baggage of distaste for him, whatever the reasons may be, creeps in. Similar to when you insulted his Mendelssohn, which is easily one of the very best, if not the best.
>>124086892You could cut the first two minutes, put in a loop and no one will be able to tell the difference.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXATs66jJA
>>124086956on reddit, perhaps>>124086991karajan was an awful conductor of the german standard repertoire, especially in brahms which is not teutonic, heavy music designed to be bogged down by an excessively gelatinous string sound. i would be extremely intolerant of such a boneheaded approach to any composer by any conductor, it doesn't matter what names are attached. his mendelssohn is awful for the exact same reasons, you're delusional for thinking it's the best in any category.
>>124086991Don't expect an explanation or even an alternative suggestion. He has nothing to contribute to the thread or any intelligent reasoning behind his opinion beyond "x bad". /mu/ zoomer brainrot
>>124087259thank you obsessed schizo
Glassworks Opening -Philip Glasshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2vRbNehGB0&ab_channel=JayEss
>>124087007See Phil thought about and he would have caught you out with this parthttps://youtu.be/1rMuwBA8xMw?t=1075
>>124087237>especially in brahms which is not teutonic, heavy music designed to be bogged down by an excessively gelatinous string sound.Shit, Karajan's recordings had me fooled! Well, I still like it -- not the best, of course, but right now it's sounding gorgeous and exciting and even fresh -- but thanks for your input and perspective as always.
>>124087519>karajan>freshoh the irony
>>124086891Highly recommend this recording, especially if you've never heard Schimdt's 4th and want something new to listen to.
>>124087545Considering I've never closely listened to his Brahms symphonies outside of the 2nd, yes, it is.
I don't think you should be allowed to play Organs with bare feet.
>>124087570trust me, it has nothing to do with novelty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2jZSl9qfE&ab_channel=GlennGould-TopicHis glossy textures never fail to disappoint
Is it true you can arrested for Fugue in A Minor?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-TDa0YDQ7c&ab_channel=OrzoMondo
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Cello Concerto No. 1, Op. 107https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7tKfmF1oF8&list=OLAK5uy_lPVv3YhHCLtO8_B10mtqo2Ng4mdZIf5Is&index=2start of Shostakovich: Cello Concerto No. 2, Op. 126https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFhpqYDPq7Y&list=OLAK5uy_lPVv3YhHCLtO8_B10mtqo2Ng4mdZIf5Is&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lPVv3YhHCLtO8_B10mtqo2Ng4mdZIf5Isone Amazon review reads:>Mrs. Barenboim resurrected. What a joy!How disrespectful to Du Pre, lol.>>124087825kek
>>124087759>gould>glossy texturesLMFAOOOO
Lord Our Ruler Synthesizer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEQpU2ad7Xg&ab_channel=OrzoMondo
>>124087898*Gould
>>124086068Wrong picture. It's meant to be the Japanese Wave.
now playingstart of Mahler: Symphony No.4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcuzop2VsT8&list=OLAK5uy_m7obtSQ8D3VfLzMbvEWKGidtVU8wCr8xU&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m7obtSQ8D3VfLzMbvEWKGidtVU8wCr8xU>>124087876Maybe I just don't care for Shosty's Cello Concertos like I used to, but I did not care for this recording at all.
>>124088063i spelled it correctly the first time, thanks
>>124088098Interesting I did not know thar, I just chose that picture. Personally I don't think it sounds stormy, lively perhaps
>>124088188No that's a spelling error. Gould is his surname and a proper noun and should be capitalized
>>124088230>Gould is his surname and a proper noun and should be capitalizedThis is an example of a run on sentence with missing punctuation.
>>124088256Well how should it be written?
>>124088276>No, that's a spelling error. I'm also a faggot. The first letter of a proper noun should be capitalized.
Scriabin, Stravinsky, ShostakovichThe SSS trinity
>>124088294No cause you're adding stuff and taking away the part about Gould being his surname
>>124088230afraid not, i spelled it correctly the first time, thanks.
>>124088302but stravinsky wasn’t a talentless hack, at least not all the time
>>124088397See you can actually get a spell check for your computer and it adds a little red squiggly line under a word if it's spelled wrong. It may be something worth looking into for tranny janny if you're interested. Captcha XANAX
>>124088486looks correctly spelled to me, obsessed schizo; maybe try >>>/lit/ instead.
In the 70s everyone loved synthesizers and classical music-Tomita, Walter Carlos the list goes on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JhMMAJGQJU&ab_channel=TerminalPassage
>>124088514Just a suggestion, no one's forcing you
>>124088537i suggest you go to >>>/lit/ instead, obsessed schizo. you could learn a thing or two about punctuation and sentence structure from them.
I can't express the way I feel when I listen to Rachmaninoff, it's unreal. Even just thinking of the music is fulfilling. How is SUCH a great melodist?
>>124088558I'm not interested in punctuation or sentence structure- I'm not writing Joyce. But capital letters are basic stuff
>>124088573>I can't express the way I feel when I listen to Rachmaninofflike fucking your cousin?>>124088604i’m not interested in capitalization—i’m shitposting on 4chan. but sentence structure is basic stuff, lest you wish to come across as a barely literate indian.
The children of a parish-priest in new-converted Sweden once heard a Nixie singing to her harp upon the shore: "Sing as you will," they cried to her, "you'll never get to heaven." Sadly the fairy sank her head and harp: the children heard her weep, and ran to tell their father. He counselled them, and sent them back to greet the Nixie with good tidings. "Come, Nixie, dry your tears," they cried: "Father bids say, you yet may hope for heaven." Then all night through they heard the waters echoing with songs so sweet, that never man heard sweeter.—The Redeemer himself has bidden us sound and sing our longing, faith and hope. Its noblest legacy the Christian Church has left us in the all-uttering, all-expressing soul of the Christian religion: wafted beyond the temple-walls, the holy strains of Music fill each sphere of Nature with new life, teaching redemption-starved mankind a second speech in which the Infinite can voice itself with clearest definition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guQIGvGiJmA
>>124088628No it isn't basic stuff, not more basic than capital letters. Although I think you were just parroting back my own post-possibly an attempt at humor? I'm not sure.>>124088573What are his best melodies/
>>124088692sentence structure is really basic stuff, especially when you want to sound like an intelligent literate first world citizen and not some irredeemable street shitting pajeet. but i’m sure the good people on >>>/lit/ will fill you in on it some more when you head over there.
>>124088711I'm not going to argue with you on this; grammar, run on sentences etc that's in no way more basic than capital letters. Frankly I doubt most people remember this or know how to correctly use or follow all the rules of grammar. Whereas on the other hand capital letters are basic shit everyone knows. You know I'm right on this btw and I know that you know I'm right on this so there's no point taking a contrary position. But I like I said it's up to you -it's your choice as they say.
>>124088692>What are his best melodies/Entirety of Concerto 2 is extremely memorable and addictive. Main themes from all 3 movements. Start from there and explore all concertos and symphonies(especially 2nd) along with The Isle of the Dead, piano trios etc.
>>124087237>on reddit, perhapsreddit wishes it could come close to understanding minimalist classical composition
>>124088788>Frankly I doubt most people remember this or know how to correctly use or follow all the rules of grammarthat would be because you are brown, sar. >>124088796strange how fond of it they are then.
>>124088808No worries tranny janny. I respect your decision.Also if you look at Reddithttps://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/it's all the two Schus and Mahler not much if any minimalism
Bach, Beethoven, Bartok - the Big 3
>>124088847>Also if you look at Redditi’ll leave that to you, thanks.
>>124088793Ok thanks
>>124088130wtf i love lieder nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qIZ7GIhUhA&list=OLAK5uy_m7obtSQ8D3VfLzMbvEWKGidtVU8wCr8xU&index=5
now playing, more Sibelius' tone-poems and orchestral suitesstart of The Wood Nymph, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERkI6BSC3yU&list=OLAK5uy_lw3njNpGeefV69iwZA9cZEkvfYIHQX2Ac&index=6start of Lemminkäinen Suite, Op. 22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CliRHWKEf6A&list=OLAK5uy_lw3njNpGeefV69iwZA9cZEkvfYIHQX2Ac&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lw3njNpGeefV69iwZA9cZEkvfYIHQX2AcMaybe I'll give one of his symphonies another go later today, the 2nd or the 3rd.
>>124086038Havergal Brian's symphonies.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyAep-F1j_8
>>124081070Anything on this? I'm losing it bros.
Sibelius's later symphonies plunge into a darker, interior world, above all with the agonised dissonances of the Fourth. While it's true the Fifth ends with another big tune, a majestic horn melody that Sibelius conjured after seeing a flock of swans in flight, the piece also contains some of the strangest textures in the orchestral repertoire: shimmers, tremors, and shades. The avant-garde experiments of György Ligeti and Iannis Xenakis are simply extensions of what Sibelius was up to in the likes of the Fifth. Sibelius was such a brilliant creator, we are still trying to find out what he really did.
The quarter-century journey from the hyper-romantic four movements of the First, written on the cusp of the 20th century, to the convention-smashing single-movement of the Seventh, is one of the most astonishing stories in the history of music. Sibelius started his symphonic life in the throes of a love affair with the Russian and German Romantics, like Tchaikovsky and Bruckner, and ended it by opening up a new way of thinking about musical space and time. His symphonies didn't just brilliantly capture the ghostliness of the Finnish landscape-- they were also way ahead of their time.
>>124089372I'm going to listen to this and it's not going to sound a damn thing like Ligeti or Xenakis is it?
>>124089372>>124089413still the worst composer in the world
>>124089528>>124089531Sibelius progressively stripped away formal markers of sonata form in his work and, instead of contrasting multiple themes, focused on the idea of continuously evolving cells and fragments culminating in a grand statement. His later works are remarkable for their sense of unbroken development, progressing by means of thematic permutations and derivations. The completeness and organic feel of this synthesis has prompted some to suggest that Sibelius began his works with a finished statement and worked backwards, although analyses showing these predominantly three- and four-note cells and melodic fragments as they are developed and expanded into the larger "themes" effectively prove the opposite.
Symphony No. 7 in C major was his last published symphony. Completed in 1924, it is notable for having only one movement. It has been described as "completely original in form, subtle in its handling of tempi, individual in its treatment of key and wholly organic in growth". Tapiola, Sibelius's last major orchestral work, was premiered on 26 December 1926. It is inspired by Tapio, a forest spirit from the Kalevala. To quote the American critic Alex Ross, it "turned out to be Sibelius's most severe and concentrated musical statement." Even more emphatically, the composer and biographer Cecil Gray asserts: "Even if Sibelius had written nothing else, this one work would entitle him to a place among the greatest masters of all time."
>>124089618>>124089632and yet still the worst composer in the world
>>124089531>>124089642Thank you TJ
mozart sonata and concert number 11
Looking at solo non-piano repertoire and it's interesting how it becomes nearly non-existent after Bach and only picks up again at about the 20th century. Weird there isn't anything much from the classical and romantic eras.
cute!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WefQWBd9VKY&list=OLAK5uy_mddx5a9BnLcydS-xHDJJex_-i5FAqvSjw&index=1
I'm getting started learning, thinking about which keyboard to order (I live in the boonies so no music store nearby and used market is eh.). I'm thinking between Yamaha P45 and Roland FP-30X.Any advice?
Would any recommend a good recording of Mozart's full 12 Varationen uber „Ah, vous dirai-je maman (twinkle twinkle little star, or else just a good go-to Pianist for Mozart? It's a simple song sure, but it's nice to hear sometimes.
>>124090793https://files.catbox.moe/xc3qc6.mp3
>>124090884Seems this is the same as the old crappy youtube rip I have, just much, much better quality. Thanks, I'll go with it.Is Haebler generally good for Mozart?
>>124091042Yes.
>>124091042decca released a complete anthology of her works in 2022, with all of her performances as reissues. it's available on rutracker.
What would Glenn Gould’s playing have sounded like if he hadn’t chomped his way through bucketloads of Valium?
>>124091485more legato, less staccato.
>>124091485This but on 2x speed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf9pG_ZR0kA&ab_channel=GlennGould
>>124091485ditch piano, focusing on conducting
>>124089653thank you obsessed schizo>>124091485probably not any better since he was mentally retarded
>Cherubini is still something of a well-guarded secret even now. But if nothing else, his Coronation Mass gives an idea of why he was so highly regarded – by Beethoven, for example – during his lifetime. In the music world he was a widely-recognized authority – it was no coincidence, for example, that Abraham Mendelssohn took his son, the 15-year-old Felix, straight to Cherubini in Paris to seek his opinion about the young composer’s talents. And in 1876, over three decades after his death, Cherubini was still regarded as “the greatest church music composer of this century” (Ferdinand Hiller).>For those seeking an alternative to, for example, the masses of Mozart or Haydn or to Beethoven’s C major Mass, I can therefore highly recommend Cherubini’s work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0rjrSIK3C0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YR9dRsIOx4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtXDJhHgXQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLi7eUTQxz4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRoexHPl4HQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKEObBwYqY4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_WDai0b4Kchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi2IMojaU3s
>>124090769Seems like /classical/ doesnt play any instrument.
>>124092367>Yamaha>Rolandmight as well buy a toy piano
>>124092386So what should he get?
>>124092432A toy piano
>>124091485Did he really? This is like when I found out Nietzsche was hopped up on morphine allday erryday, except I don't like the Ghoul, just surprising and changes how I look at them a bit.
>>124091998I know I'm an autist about it but start adding the album cover to your posts! Also now you see why I always just say 'start of' and post the link to the first movement lol, instead of having to paste all of the links like that. Good shout though, will listen to it right now, been meaning to listen to that work for a while and I've had decent experiences with Matthew Best/Corydon's recordings.
>The indefatigable Neeme Järvi seems bent on recording everything, and he often secures first-rate performances for neglected or little-known repertoire. Sometimes, however, he seems to have too little time for preparation or thinking too deeply about the repertoire he records, and this recording strikes me, unfortunately, as a case in point. It’s not bad – it never is with Järvi – but it is also rather workmanlike, and the music is often too hard pressed, with too little attention to detail; the performance here seems to have the goal in sight from the very first bars, and takes the straightest path there without bothering too much about the subtleties or views along the way.The best summary I've read about Jarvi.
>>124090769I recommend you get the Roland FP-30x out of those two but I assume you're thinking of that already
>>124092596>His ingestion of drugs increased over the years, especially after 1980; between January and September 1982, he was prescribed more than two thousand pills, including benzodiazepines, which have a high risk of dependency when taken continuously for a long time. It is very likely that he became addicted to some drugs, especially diazepam.>In such situations, when feeling some kind of physical or psychological discomfort, he tended toward pharmacological solutions, especially abusing tranquilizers; Cornelia Foss, as she noted in interviews, observed him taking up to ten Valium tablets a day.
>>124092795Hot damn. Thanks.
So what is the greatest American work of classical/art music?
>>124092824Carter's 1st string quartet
>>124092878ty
>>124092824https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jVh5cZ_ZvM
>>124092891Very enjoyable but too spiritually shallow to be the best.
>>124092878neither good nor interesting>>124092891reddit
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUNJtYW6vks&list=OLAK5uy_njTcDYR3np8EWKrw77fZ7iL0UA0JAL2Pg&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_njTcDYR3np8EWKrw77fZ7iL0UA0JAL2Pg
>>124093409>tfw born 200 years too late to come home to this picture in reality
>>124093409way too lewd of a picture wtf were they thinking
>performing Prokofiev's music as modernist: :|>performing Prokofiev's music as late romantic: :D
>>124092824this unironically:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TGIEa3Cn4M
>>124093860>not performing Prokofiev: :o
>>124094262not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>124094303not sure what Americans have to do with /classical/, try >>>/biz/ instead.
>>124094324actual schizophrenia, try >>>/x/ instead
>>124094330go back to >>>/lgbt/ TJ.
>>124094330kek
>>124094336go back to >>>/pol/ pedophile kraut
Guarneri!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDoq_Q8riww&list=OLAK5uy_mEVLRfn4ifSIMlpUwJBxFnfQ-6BR89atc&index=1
If Beethoven was so good, why doesn't he have his own opus designation, like Mozart with K. and Bach with BWV?
>>124094388because bach and mozart didn’t assign their works opus numbers in their lifetimes, necessitating a posthumous catallg. beethoven did, so a new catalog isn’t needed. the real exception to this rule is schubert, whose own opus designations are so incomplete relative to the true size of his oeuvre that it may as well not exist.
>>124094418>the real exception to this rule is schubert, whose own opus designations are so incomplete relative to the true size of his oeuvre that it may as well not exist.Huh, what's the deal with that? He didn't feel some works were worthy and/or he only gave them to ones that were published and performed?
>>124094441he was considered a third rate composer in his lifetime, so publishers refused to publish most of his music, and he also never published most of his lieder and chamber music as it was written for his family and private friend group.
>>124094459Interesting, thanks. I was only joking with the initial post but I did think the K. and BWV were the result of different cataloging systems in their lifetimes, not that they were posthumous, so that's good to know.If you don't mind, when and what caused Schubert's reputation to soar to what it is today?
>>124094488>when and what caused Schubert's reputation to soar to what it is today?liszt, schumann, and brahms promoting his music, and also his lyrical style of composition became en vogue. he was quite literally ahead of his time as far as trends go.
>>124094509Fascinating, thanks. I wonder if such a thing will happen again soon, with a modern composer who's currently obscure. Maybe the landscape is too different, but who knows?
>>124094533> I wonder if such a thing will happen again soon, with a modern composer who's currently obscureOne can only hope...
>>124094693disgusting. never post here again.
>>124094693i think the exact opposite is happening for street shitting pajeets, actually.
>>124094693delightful. please show your face around here more often.
Sorabjihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onie3BuEKu0
>>124095663it looks complicated as how horrible sounds
>>124093050Dilate
