Chopin editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moMqDxszHnsThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>124094444
Wagner.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSEu1aIH6Ms
Atheists produced objectively the best music.
>>124111798Only if you discredit about 90% of the canon
>>124111788i finished gathering the rest of klemperers box set yesterday. the horn concertos were among the few i had left to grab. remember how the web releases had lame cover arts? that was not the case for the cd release.
>>124111798Who's your favorite composer, anon?
Is this general just going to turn into arguments about religion?Post music, fags.>>124111809That looks pretty cool, never got why classical recordings tend to like to change their cover art to something 10 times lamer and less interesting than the original design
at what point is a composition made canonical? when the piece is formed in the mind of the composer? upon it's first performance? when it is notated on paper for the first time? if the composer alters it after a year, does he/she/they have the right to do so and claim it to be authentic? how about a day? a second? who is the real composer? upon what authority can you make this judgement?
>>124111864the releases before the box was uploaded had contained track listing that wasn't suitable for original cover arts. so pic related and similar to it was what warner decided on. the horn concerto cover art is overtly masonic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSc5-Gn1cjwLove this instrumentation, did any other composer play around with it besides (sorta) beethoven?
>>124111895>at what point is a composition made canonical?When it is published or discovered posthumously.> if the composer alters it after a year, does he/she/they have the right to do so and claim it to be authentic?Yes, but it becomes a separate version and is published as such.Liszt for instance had many revised compositions (Paganini etudes).
Mozart's chromaticism, like that of Mendelssohn, went far beyond what was ever produced by the most "daring" experiments of later romantic composers ; for chromaticism is always more potent in a tonal context, and works composed in harmonies whose modulations are so constant that the fundamental tonality is essentially blurred, do not trend to produce any effect, even when grasping at the very last possibilities of enharmonic, fundamental-less dominant ninth, augmented sixth or napolitan sixth modulations ; for modulation and complex harmony only signifies as opposition to a tonal context, and not in itself. This, was the great mistake of all music romantic ; to think that music could construct meaning through what was fundamentally opposed to tonality ; to think that music could be built upon the negative definition of music. Wagner's music has no rhythm, its harmony is so stretched out that it is barely audible, it has no counterpoint, no melody ; its qualities are fundamentally negative, --- Wagner is, thus, the perfect example of this degeneracy of music, which is fundamentally a critique of music ; and all critique stems from a lower position, a will to slander that which we cannot attain.
>>124112010Based but Wagner is a bad example. Sch*n(((berg))) and M*hler embody this way more
>On top of that, he drank gallons of coffee, often doing so without food. There are stories of him going to donut shops in the middle of the night and just ordering coffee.
>>124112083Schoenberg's music isn't romantic (only in his early period), his music is rhythmically florid and metrically punctilious, he wrote THE book on harmony, and he looked up to Mozart specifically as a master of form and rhythm.And yet is still sounds like ass, whereas Wagner (and Mahler) sound astonishing.
>>124112190>And yet is still sounds like assonly to weak, regressive ears who cannot fathom the breadth of techniques music offers to us.
just deleted gould/s goldberg variations for obvious reasons
>>124112223Sounding like shit on purpose is still sounding shit
>>124111809My cd looks like pic rel. The performances are a bit stodgy.
>>124112190>>124112406Imagine getting plebfiltered by Schönberg in the 21st century
>>124113132>it sounds like shit on purpose therefore it's le good!
>>124112981the performance has too many carbs?https://litter.catbox.moe/v8qg5m.mp3
Disliking Schoenberg is a sign of low musical intelligence.There's a reason why every major (good) composer for the past hundred years has absolutely adored Schoenberg and been deeply inspired by his work. And that reason is because the music that Schoenberg created was simply brilliant.If you don't Iove the dodecaphonic style compared to other syles thats one thing. But you have to respect the ingenious of Schoenberg’s work.Disliking Schoenberg is like disliking Shakespeare or Isaac Newton. It comes off as ignorant.
>>124113132I just think Berg did what Schoenberg wanted to do, but in a more musically accomplished way (and Schoenberg himself seemed to suspect so and was envious of Berg's greater success).It's not that his compositional method was bad, it's just he himself wasn't very good at it.
>>124111597Like what?>>124111809Rare image of a Mozart fan attempting to educate a non-fan.
Disliking Rachmaninoff is a sign of low intelligence and high pretentioussness.There's a reason why every major (good) composer or critic and for the past hundred years has absolutely adored Rachmaninoff and been deeply emotionally affected by his work. And that reason is because the music that Rachmaninoff created was simply brilliant.If you don't love the deeply romantic style compared to other styles thats one thing. But you have to respect the ingenious of Rachmaninoff's work.Disliking Rachmaninoff is like disliking Dostoevsky or Carl Friedrich Gauss. It comes off as pretentious and emotionally restrained.
speaking of Schoenberg, now playingSchoenberg: Verklarte Nacht (Transfigured Night) , Op. 4 (version for string orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV88iLGkQ7U&list=OLAK5uy_mF4Ghbg_TtBsfEMxUXFSeyFz_myg2YN3Q&index=2start of Schmidt: Symphony No. 2 in E-Flat Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJQ5Z6IymeE&list=OLAK5uy_mF4Ghbg_TtBsfEMxUXFSeyFz_myg2YN3Q&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mF4Ghbg_TtBsfEMxUXFSeyFz_myg2YN3Q
>>124114225Also, thoughts on the conductor Mitropoulos?
>>124114207>There's a reason why every major (good) composer or critic and for the past hundred years has absolutely adored Rachmaninoff and been deeply emotionally affected by his workthey haven't
>>124114207>using the word 'pretentious' unironically>liking Dostoevsky>Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous, farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway.–from Nabokov’s 1964 interview in Playboy, as reprinted in Strong Opinions>I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigmarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search.–from a 1969 interview with James Mossman, as reprinted in Strong OpinionsThat said I do like a lot of Rachmaninoff (most of his solo piano music is highly underwhelming), but I get why someone wouldn't.
>>124114317The good ones have.
>>124114225This is one of the very best Verklarte Nacht, Op. 4, I've ever heard. If you don't mind mono (for sound, not the illness), then check this out! I'm sure the Schmidt will be just as stellar.
>>124114225i dislike the string orchestra version of verklarte nacht, but i dislike all string orchestra arrangements of chamber music>>124114246very, very good, and far better than his successor at new york bernstein.
Holy shit! Mozart's Rondo in A minor KV. 511 is somethin' else!
>>124114436>i dislike the string orchestra version of verklarte nacht, but i dislike all string orchestra arrangements of chamber musicI used to feel the same way but I find at the moment, for some reason my ears aren't meshing well with the thin, severe sound of a lot of chamber music. I'm sure it'll come back around, but at present I'm enjoying anything which produces a fuller, lusher sound, which arrangements for string orchestra and the like accomplish. Plus I just think it works well with this piece, or maybe Mitropoulos' gorgeous, impassioned approach is doing most of the heavy lifting lol, been forever since I last heard it.
>>124111798Shostokavich?
>>124114436>>124114482And thanks, good to know. I've had his acclaimed Mahler 8 with Vienna(?) in my backlog for quite a while, maybe I'll finally give it a listen today. Any other essential or worthwhile recordings from him off the top of your head?
>>124114495basically all his stereo recordings (and there aren't very many) on columbia/sony are worth listening to.
>>124114516Neat, thanks, added a few things.
>>124112171I used to do this and I felt like shit all the time.
>>124114495>Any other essential or worthwhile recordings from him off the top of your headProkofiev - Romeo & JulietShostakovich - Violin concerto 1 (with Oistrakh)Don Giovanni
>>124114616Thanks! Added.
>>124114403no, the bad ones have
>>124114668got 'em
Favorite recording(s) of Shostakovich's 4th Symphony?
>>124114740the shortest ones preferably
>>124114752Ah, a man who prefers the 4th with quick tempo, good thinking.
Evidently, Mitropolous made a shedload of commercial recordings, but hardly any of these have been reissued individually on cd. That's a shame because I can't afford to buy pic rel at 200 bucks.
Wonder what this TV show is about...
>>124114668Yes the bad prefered modernism and didn't like Rach
>>124114808Gotta wonder if Minneapolis is any good compared to the big orchestras like Chicago, Boston and NY though ...
>>124114761i prefer the tempo to be so quick that you might not even realize the piece ever began.
Are these the best conductors of the early-to-middle-of-the-second-half 20th century?Adrian Boult (1889-1983)Malcom Sargent (1895-1967)Hans Rosbaud (1885-1962)Hermann Scherchen (1891-1966)Antal Dorati (1906-1988)Ferenc Fricsay (1914-1963)Herbert von Karajan (1908-1987)Sergiu Celibidache (1912-1996)Karl Bohm (1894 -1981)Eugen Jochum (1902 -1987)Kyril Kondrashin (1914 -1981)William Steinberg (1899 -1978)Leopold Stokowski (1882 -1977)Eugene Ormandy (1899 -1985)George Szell (1897 -1970)John Barbirolli (1899 -1970)Victor De Sabata (1892 -1967)Dimitri Mitropoulos (1896 -1960)Wilhelm Furtwangler (1886 -1956)Otto Klemperer (1885 -1973)Arturo Toscanini (1867 - 1957)Bruno Walter (1876 - 1962)Immediately I'm struck by the exclusion of Kubelik.>>124114808Jerk and vibrate, huh? Gotta see some footage of him conducting.
>>124114877>Adrian Boult (1889-1983)>Malcom Sargent (1895-1967)>John Barbirolli (1899 -1970)this is how you can tell this list is british nonsense>Sergiu Celibidache (1912-1996)>Wilhelm Furtwangler (1886 -1956)abject garbage
>>124114877I'm more struck by the exclusion of Erich Kleiber.Kubelik was good but not great.
>>124114543Just a warning on Mitropoulos, his live recordings can be pretty variable. I agree with the other anon that his NY stereo recordings find him at his most balanced. He could be tremendously inspired but a lot of his Mahler for example suffers from less than stellar playing. Personally I think these are his best recordings:https://youtu.be/-4DoHQsNotIhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQpgmahRMgQLQOPugrdAn8OBFztCcckCYhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kw-pOpmRmLTzd3x5Nls0xXxRvFxVlkDyEhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE4pMDYgG2sN5Xnb_4Y95CPqpM9GX1VzMhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mVN3-qkci1ZXv5yVjYSeM1MfKqw2CTlrYhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kcfUFTfILlJTnJgC2ziTvv_vO7AlMLMKg (I never see anyone bring this Emperor Concerto up, but it's marvelous)https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lYRP-ijqGwm6BWLRTLs2Ee41RQ7RcCKBM (easily the best sung Don Giovanni)https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_laEirpSBxQTZwPO1uyoccndWVgoSKrTUM (one of the most dramatic Elektra)And the stereo stuffhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kgdBfJONZUz_6nlVbzRoAR--ppe5cJKJAhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nI9ry67Uoioey9LFx7ukDR_uWTvAup_fkhttps://youtu.be/acqxFQVAU7sHe was sacked by the board and removed from the New York Philharmonic because Bernstein informed them about Mitropoulos' homosexuality. Which was ironic, considering Bernstein also fucked men. As if we needed another reason to hate Bernstein.
>>124114927Awesome, thank you! Gonna add them all.>He was sacked by the board and removed from the New York Philharmonic because Bernstein informed them about Mitropoulos' homosexuality. Which was ironic, considering Bernstein also fucked men. As if we needed another reason to hate Bernstein.Huh, really? That's fuckin' cutthroat, shiesty, and abhorrent.
>>124114808I own and ripped that entire set. I can upload it, if you'd like.>>124114877>Sargent>fucking SargentLmao
>>124114962https://www.chicagotribune.com/1995/10/15/greek-tragedy-7/
>>124114916It's all of the conductors included in the box set of the pic. Also no Bernstein is odd, but maybe they couldn't afford to add some of his stuff? And remember, any kind of comprehensive list and set will and ought to include conductors that some people won't like, that's simply the nature of music.>>124114922Hmm I strongly disagree but I respect your opinion.
>>124114927lol Mendelssohn 3 "Scotch"
>>124114988Man, that article is full of interesting gems. Dreaming of dying due to falling off of a mountain, followed by his actual death with a heart attack during a rehearsal of Mahler 3; his lifelong celibacy, illustrated by the writer of the article as "music supplanted sex in his life;" "(One critic wrote he looked like “a Greek bartender vigorously shaking cocktails.”);" the Bernstein tidbit; and I've only read through part of it! Definitely gonna finish reading the whole thing, thank you for sharing, compelling and fascinating stuff, and that's coming from someone who usually only reads these kinds of things for writers and poets, as far as artists go.
>>124114992>any kind of comprehensive list and set will and ought to include conductors that some people won't likeexcept they included bad conductors.
>>124114822is it opposite day over there
>>124111798Soulless music for a retarded ideology who can’t even answer why wake up every day.
>>124115216What do you wake up for?
now playing (the Clarinet Quintet, Op. 115)start of Brahms: Clarinet Quintet In B Minor, Op. 115https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6ydaZeP0u0&list=OLAK5uy_kdGgjLWKSjmocP4dNB9Y3qcPxDlj-Idx0&index=12https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kdGgjLWKSjmocP4dNB9Y3qcPxDlj-Idx0Excited to go through this entire set, still have yet to find a recording of Brahms' string quintets that truly hit the spot and fully satisfy. Same with his sextets -- open to any recording recommendations of them!
>>124115261Have you tried pic rel?For the quintets I like Brandis.
>>124115286I have not, thank you, will give a listen. For the quintets I'm hoping the ones on this recording will be the ones I've been searching for this whole time, but if not I'll check out Brandis' as well.
>Beethoven performed in the vein of Haydn and Mozart:|>Beethoven performed in the vein of Brahms and Mendelssohn:]
>>124115216>can’t even answer why wake up every day.Enjoyment of life not sufficient?Need to be promised an eternal fairy wonderland as a reward for being a good boi?
now playingstart of Vivaldi: Magnificat in G Minor, RV 611https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et1ZmadiWZQ&list=OLAK5uy_kaRvfO2J_FRru4YKSHzly5lVKZB2m_LMU&index=2start of Vivaldi: Gloria in D Major, RV 589https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNuukn4_v58&list=OLAK5uy_kaRvfO2J_FRru4YKSHzly5lVKZB2m_LMU&index=12https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kaRvfO2J_FRru4YKSHzly5lVKZB2m_LMUI'll stop spamming the thread with these posts for the day after this one.
>>124115344Late Beethoven is the very beginning of Romanticism. Don't let the hyperautists here tell you otherwise.
>>124112010Mendelssohn went through his commercially successful period when Wagner was mostly unheard of. The favourite composer of every middle class household, fulfilling the complacent conservative image of a 'traditional composer' like Beethoven. Well Wagner demolished that image.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe1vF0bgmb4&ab_channel=puffthecatWhat are Shostakovich's best fugues(sistershitter's opinion not needed)
>>124115875The shortest one
>>124115863musically illiterate moment>>124115875horrific voice leading moment
>>124115875Probs the D-flat Major one. All of them are gold standard, inability to underatand Shostakovich's own harmonic language is musically illiterate pleb behaviour.
>>124115922What part of "sistershitter's awful fucking opinions not need" did you not understand?
>>124115955>Shostakovich's own harmonic languageaka garbage>>124115958what part of "horrific voice leading" did you not understand?
>>124115964>aka garbageGold*>what part of "horrific voice leading" did you not understand?NTA but horrific voice leading is not related to Shosta's fugues.
>>124115964See "sistershitters dog shit takes on just about everything music related not needed"
>>124115977>Gold*no, i spelled garbage right the first time, thanks. >NTA but horrific voice leading is not related to Shosta's fugues.it's related to spamming leaps without stepwise movement to balance to contour, aka. shostakovich's a major fugue. >>124115981see "horrific voice leading"
>sisterspammer spends a considerable portion of his life replying to anons simply because of musical taste differencesWhat is his end goal?
>>124116006>shostakovich spent a considerable portion of his life writing sloppy fugues with dogshit voice leadingwhat was his end goal?
>>124116000>no, i spelled garbage right the first time, thanks.I don't think so.>it's related to spamming leaps without stepwise movement to balance to contourFux's rules are not absolute, especially in the context of 20th century music, and never will be.
>>124116037>I don't think so.you'll be surprised to find that i didhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/garbage>Fux's rules are not absolute, especially in the context of 20th century music, and never will be.no one said fux was absolute, it just so happens that balancing leaps with contrary stepwise motion is a rule in basically every tonal counterpoint textbook for good melodic writing. in fact, it's in practically every music theory textbook that tackles the subject of good melodic writing, with or without the context of counterpoint.
Philip Glass Symphony no. 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMPBS2glPE&list=PLlhxl8ktHhOLJ_GbcWwkBlawQ4JVAqQX5&ab_channel=BournemouthSymphonyOrchestra-Topic
>>124116019>what was his end goal?Works to be remembered by (he succeeded), legacy, artistic expression or simply a pleasure of writing your own music.
>>124116019see>>124116006
>>124116089he certainly succeeded at being remembered as the third pressing of mahler and a terrible contrapuntist.
>>124116060>it just so happens that balancing leaps with contrary stepwise motion is a rule in basically every tonal counterpoint textbook for good melodic writing.The textbook rules are again, not absolute, and should only be used as guidelines. If everyone stuck to same rules for centuries the music would never even evolve.
>>124116106see >>124116019>>124116113i think in this case it's considered devolution, given the "voice leading" here annihilates any semblance of line in the first place, nevermind independence of line (ie. the goal of counterpoint).
"Tintagel" Symphonic Poem - Arnold Baxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkc04eRdghU
>>124116108Better than being forgotten completely. And he achieved something by spending considerable portion of his life working on it. Now what is YOUR end goal?
>>124116129>>124116006
>>124116142i think being remembered as an inept impotent loser is definitely worse than not being remembered at all. >>124116151>>124116019
>>124116129>i think in this case it's considered devolution,Okay, we know what you think already, since we've had this debate many times.
Any good baroque concertos with 10+ minute movements ala brandenburg 5?
>>124116168it's not an opinion, it's a fact. if i isolated a single voice from this fugue, would you be able to sight read it on solfege all the way through? that should be a testament to the incoherence of its melodic contour.
>>124116156I don't consider him a loser at all. I praise Shostakovich as one of the greatest of his time, as many(a considerable portion) people, critics and musicologists and musicians do. So again, what is YOUR end goal? I answered your question, now please answer mine.
>>124116193yes, a considerable portion of people are indeed very stupid. thankfully, the rest of us are not so easily impressed.
>>124116192>it's not an opinion, it's a fact.You already said "i think..." so it is your opinion, whicu I do not share. Nor is there any way to prove that being remembered for anything at all can be worse than being forgotten.
>>124116218you're not even replying to the right post you fucking illiterate retard. it's a fact that shostakovich's voice leading in that fugue is complete ass.
>>124116207I answered your question, answer mine. Here, I'll repeat it for you once more:>sisterspammer spends a considerable portion of his life replying to anons simply because of musical taste differencesWhat is your end goal?
>>124116240see >>124116019
>>124116236>you're not even replying to the right postI was replying to the right post which was >>124116192 which in turn was response to >>124116168 where your quote can be seen.
No one wished him a Happy Birthday. Why?
>>124116156>>124116006>>124116192>sistershitters dogshit opinions not needed
>>124116251I answered your question already. Why are you being dishonest now?
>>124116192We had to solfege the whole modus novus for our juries so eh probably
>>124116265He's dead
>>124116265I'm pretty sure Reddit did.
>>124116265Happy birthday liszt! c(^-^c)
>>124116258as it turns out, most people would consider incoherent melodic writing to be worse than a coherent balanced melodic contour. >>124116274>horrific voice leading moment>>124116277why did shostakovich spend his entire life writing bad music? >>124116289modus novus isn't just spamming leaps up and down the octave though, the intervals used are extremely deliberate; and even at its most atonal and difficult to conceptualize, the melodic contour is still balanced by stepwise motion
>>124116313>why did shostakovich spend his entire life writing bad music?Why are you answering questions with questions? I already answered a question of yours, how hard is it to answer mine? It's pretty simple.
>>124116327you'll find that the answer to my question is pretty simple too, actually. it's because he was a retarded fool.
>>124116333So the answer to the question>what is sisterspammer's end goalIs >>it's because he was a retarded fool.Lol?
>>124116356not quite, illiterate sister. that would be the answer to the question>why did shostakovich spend his entire life writing bad music?
>>124116362Well you were asked to answer another question, one which is still left unanswered
>>124116377sounds like a you problem.
>>124116393The question was directed to you. The (You) problem seems to be spending considerable portion of your life replying to anons simply because of musical taste differences
>>124116299No, he's not. His work lives on for all of eternity.
>>124116415and shostakovich's problem seems to be that he spent all his time being an incompetent and inept composer who was cucked into writing bad symphonies and worse chamber music.
>>124116356This is absolutely the answer LOL
>>124116432Shostakovich doesn't seem to be relevant here at all, schizophrenic. The only thing relevant here is that you're spending considerable portion of your life replying to anons simply because of musical taste differences - see? No Shostakovich mentions. Unless you're schizophrenic and having delusions that is.
>>124116444if you insist, illiterate sister
>>124116449>Shostakovich doesn't seem to be relevant here at all, schizophrenic.he's mentioned right here, dementia sister >>124115875please do try to keep up.
>>124116458Shostakovich was not mentioned in the question at all, that is an unrelated post. You're confirmed schizophrenic now.
>>124116465>b-but my heckin question!sounds like a you problem, dementia sister. sorry the world doesn't revolve around you.
>>124116476I never mentioned the word 'Shostakovich' in this thread before you prompted me to do so. You're a schizophrenic who probably even has dementia. Thanks for the confirmation.
>>124116488>i never mentionedno one asked, narcissistic sister.
>>124116488>i never mentionedEveryone asked, altruistic brother.
>>124116458Explain for the folks at home who Shostakovich is
>>124116518see >>124116333>a retarded fool.and >>124116432>an incompetent and inept composer who was cucked into writing bad symphonies and worse chamber music.
Sisterschizo needs to be rangebanned and /classical/ is bound to improve. Slower threads, less spam, more relevant music discussions...
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-acW5WRio8
shostakobitch sloppers need to be rangebanned and /classical/ is bound to improve. slower threads, less slaveslop, more high quality music discussions…
Shotakonbitches longhousing me into subjecting myself to bad voice leading every day to earn my death by snu snu.
>>124116573They probably introduced the new 15 minute wait cause people like him kept shit posting and ban evading all the time
>>124116623incomprehensible porn addict babble>>124116638you mean like slavesloppers?
>>124115955I guess I'll just listen to them all
>>124116651No I mean like you
>>124116670my condolences>>124116692sounds like slaveslopper behavior to me
I know overall Mass in B minor, SMP, and SJP are better, but regarding only the opening chorus movement, Bach's Christmas Oratorio might have the best one he ever wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF4Ujem9ntc&list=OLAK5uy_l_GoUlLE4jSR5ta6tbm2Q5019DbtDxDPc&index=1
Philip Glass Tirol Concerto Movement 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8zTloLj6bs&ab_channel=%EC%87%A0%EA%BD%83IronFlower
This shotakonbitch showed up at my place to play her latest fugue for me but it was full of unprepared dissonances. I didn't want to offend her so I just said "Um it's very nice auntie" and she patted my head so I was briefly gratified. However I feel that I have transgressed against the Spirit of Music and the ghost of Richard Wagner has appeared to me in dreams telling me to kill myself. What do?
>>124116019> spent a considerable portion of his lifeActually he wrote them very quickly, spending on average a couple days on each.>what was his end goal?He was inspired by Tatiana Nikolayeva playing the WTC at a Bach competition where he was in the jury, and he wanted to dedicate his own set of preludes and fugues for her to play.
>>124114740https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W8Ag5iOg8Q&list=OLAK5uy_kWULCdFrpdAl_E4A2xwF3vtRSABH3ICuE&index=1
>>124116816incomprehensible porn addict babble>>124116822>Actually he wrote them very quickly, spending on average a couple days on each.a couple days too many, apparently. >he wanted to dedicate his own set of preludes and fugues for her to play.he heard a good pianist playing good music and decided to subject her to bad music? the motivations of slaves are truly beyond me.
>>124116816Speaking of Wagner-is he right?
Philip Glass Violin Concerto 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=butLQ_HQG2s&ab_channel=AdeleAnthony-Topic
sounds ok to mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JZf7GRKddI
ew Mozart wrote and left for us a Gross(e) Mess(e)? how inconsiderate
>>124116816just ignore anything TJ says. He'd probably disapprove of passing tones because they aren't prepared dissonances.
>>124117084put your trip back on, pedo kraut
The worst thing about Shostakovich's 24 preludes and fugues is that they're still under copyright protection and the scores are not available on imslp.
>>124116926only Jews hate Wagner and I'm sick of reading their anti-Nordic slander.
more of Chailly's superb Bach:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkP2VupIwTc&list=OLAK5uy_lO1M4iKcSHw8sHiWT6QlBiCESjO9ld0A4&index=1
>>124117092wrong tripcode. try again.
Shostakovichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEu1Nc2unzk
>>124117099the one and only time i wish copyright law lasted forever.>>124117130yeah, you changed your tripcode after being banned for discussing illegal content (grooming minors). now stop ban evading, pedo kraut.
Glenn Gould - Shostakovichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k6a1S8FXOs&ab_channel=GlennGould
anyone else write Orchestral Suites aside from Bach and Tchaikovsky?
Shostakovich fugue A minorhttps://youtu.be/wVx5pszDQ2w?t=47
>>124117120He didn't say he hated it, just that Wagner fans are into incest and violence.At any rate the Nordic folk deserve the slander as punishment for their performance in the early part of the previous century
>>124117272cool, now get in the oven.
>>124117287reminder that these posts are made by Russian bots
>>124117272>t.
>>124117287I thought the Holocaust didn't happen though?
>>124117301would a bot tell you that the Romanovs were killed by Jews?
>>124117349go away bot
>>124117341unfortunately.
>>124117349Yes
>>124117226Good god, that's pure soul.We should have more of these threads where we choose one composer to relentlessly shitpost about; that's the only way to get me to listen to any new stuff.
Shostakovich B Major Fugue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufh-zCIHn4c&list=PLwGv0T3Az2lKdMri0D2M7mv1H0DwzxW6F&index=22&ab_channel=VladimirAshkenazy-Topic
>>124117435*pure shit
Dvorakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuP30zZ-Mcs
A nice prelude for a changehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A34uYOAfMxY&list=PLwGv0T3Az2lKdMri0D2M7mv1H0DwzxW6F&index=27&ab_channel=VladimirAshkenazy-Topic
>>124117675sounds awful
>>124117706Awfully good, I know thanks
>>124117092>>124117163wrong again sister your accusation lacks context context of which would reveal the most damning of things including how you yourself cannot read between lines
>>124117779awfully foul is what i meant i’m afraid. >>124117813not interested in your coping sorry, i believe people when they tell me what they are; in this case, a groomer.
Rachmaninoff - Elégie Op. 3 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGMbnmJDJRc&ab_channel=AdrianEriksson
>>124117813The shosta-hater is a girl?
>>124117895great question newfag sister
>>124117895Yes, probably a tranny.
Scarlattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz-fVzk5taI
>>124117937if you insist, schizo sister
I see in the Sisterposter the same thing I saw in CLT and Tallis: that these men all suffer from neurosis.
>>124118010if you insist, schizo sister
Biber Battalia Á 10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pYPa1014RA&ab_channel=NorwegianChamberOrchestraThough Biber's reason of the Battilia is uncertain, some scholars say it was the composer's feelings toward the Thirty Years' War, due to the high casualties (~50% of the German population and 1/3 of the Czechs).Die liederliche Gesellschaft von allerley Humor (The Profligate Society of Common Humor)The most famous, the second movement incorporates 8 melodies, but in different key and time signatures. One of the melodies is the folk song, "Cabbage and turnips have driven me away" (Kraut und Rüben haben mich vertrieben), similarly used in J. S. Bach's 30th Goldberg Variation, or the Quodlibet. Also some measures are in 12/8 time and the others in 4/4 time. There is a Latin footnote that reads hic dissonant ubique, nam enim sic diversis cantilenis clamore solent or "here it is dissonant everywhere, for thus are the drunks accustomed to bellow with different songs"
>>124118041so this was played at diddy's mansion?
Liszt Bagatelle sans tonalité, S.216ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxRxwxq0QxI&ab_channel=MusicLover
Which is better the Tannhauser Overture of the 1812 Overture?
>>124118361As someone who loves Tchaikovsky, Tannhauser. Tchaikovsky's overtures are good but not great. Wagner's are among the very best in all of music.
>>124118361not even comparable
>>124111772OP forgot to include anime's relationship to classical in it's pic and body and the thread was cursed with a sistershitter infestation
>>124118361Wagner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tchaikovsky
>>124117845if i was coping i would be trying to overcome or cover up a personal dilemma but all im doing is accusing you of illiteracy in particular an inability to discern troll from real
God-tier Mozart conductors:Busch, Markevitch, E KleiberGreat-tier:Krips, Schuricht, Fricsay, Blech, non-moribund Klemperer, Casals, Harnoncourt on good daysOkay, but overrated:Böhm, Giulini, MackerrasShit:KarajanI wish to be the little Mengelberg:JacobsWhy hast thou forsaken me?Levine
>>124118555Oh FUCK we never had a CHANCE
What are the consequences of listening to Wagner?
>>124116265Alles Gute zum Geburtstag!
Give me your honest thoughts on Scriabin
>>124111772I am giving this game for free since I am not smart enough or hard working enough to do this. Its a youtube idea. You take in all the possible history, quotations at the time, artworks about the event and interviews. You try to find what foods were served during the concert if any or if anyone has a ticket to the concert in a personal collection post that. The point is to create the complete picture about what that piece of music meant for the music world et. al. and how it would have fit into the overall oeuvre would it have been considered, hated, controversial, beloved, patriotic, subversive etc etcThe point is to time travel and try to understand what the discussion about a work would be like what it would be like to live in this time and experience the piece for the first showings and the vibes going on. Enjoy your 1 million subs please give anon a shoutout.
>>124118740>It's speculated Beethoven ate two bowls of beef barley soup for lunch on the day he composed these bars of the 7th Symphony. *plays clip*
>>124118555I hate the sisterposter enough to have genuinelly fantasized about murdering him but I hate moe anime girl spammers even more
>>124118790based, me too
>>124118790hear hear
>>124118361Tchiakovsky's great, but he's just not in Wagner's league.
>>124118604sounds like a cope to me, pedophile apologist.>i was only pretending to rape those kids, your honor! it was a social experiment!>>124118790thank you impotent schizo
>>124119023it's not cope nor it apologetics im only stating facts you can't read
Glazunov 8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjOM9nG8jEY&list=OLAK5uy_lwtl_u0MJD3DsRvudHOe4BW7rhPxKc_uM&index=4Underrated symphonic cycle desu, probably in the second tier of Russian composers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPuM8bd8W08
I think of Bartok as kind of like the Autechre of late Romantic music. He doesn't quite fit the serialism of Schoenberg, Stockhausen, and Boulez, etc.But he doesn't at all fit with Debussy, Mahler.And furthermore, I wouldn't even say he fits with Stravinsky, who was ultimately sort of like the master genius of the time period who synthesized everything into a perfectly working whole - but whose music does sometimes seem more like a precursor to minimalism. A series of vignettes more than a formal piece - as many here are deriding.Bartok was a continuation of the lineage from Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven. As others have said, he was formal. His music is certainly not tonal in the sense of Mozart or even Debussy. But it isn't quite atonal, is it?My problem with Bartok is that I find his harmonic aesthetic really kind of unappealing.The only times I've really, really enjoyed Bartok - as much of the work of Autechre - was while blazed out of my mind listening to his quartets. It was during those times I saw the details and patterns of his music. Unlike other atonal formalists, like Xenakis, who use form as their main mode of expression - Bartok's music is not like a machine. It is very much classical and structural, and I think standard forms of analysis which are generally applied to classical and romatic era music would work on it.That said, I don't particularly enjoy listening to it. But to say it is not good art is patently wrong as far as I'm concerned.Though to be honest I do find some of his works rather bizarrely overrated by some people. I can't get into the orchestral/celesta stuff whatsoever. The string quartets are far more interesting for me. Maybe I've been listening to bad recordings.Also, I think Bartok wrote a book about his tonal system if you want to read it, it might shed some light if you're interested. I think if anything he's underrated.
>>124119603You're onto something. Though I think a better comparison is Bartok is Kafka,
>>124115286Almost immediately the best rendition of the sextets I've ever heard, thank you.
>>124119040sounds like what a coping pedophile apologist would say>>124119603he’s not a romantic, it’s that simple.
>>124119603>>Though to be honest I do find some of his works rather bizarrely overrated by some people. I can't get into the orchestral/celesta stuff whatsoever. The string quartets are far more interesting for me. Maybe I've been listening to bad recordings.Agreed on the first part, but swap the works around. Can't get into any of his chamber stuff.
>>124118740Reminds me of this awful Netherlands Bach Society performance where they pretended to drink and smoke whilst listening to Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qekqd0elm6c&ab_channel=NetherlandsBachSociety
>>124119603The essence of Romantic harmony is root motion by thirds or tritones and the use of scales generated by such progressions in accordance with the standard rules pertaining to tonal voice leading. Bartok cannot be considered a romantic composer because Romantic harmony is not a necessary element of his style.romantic: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Wagner_from_Parsifal_Act_1.wavnot romantic:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mshRH3q-B3o
>>124119603Xenakis uses timbre as his main mode of expression
>>124119603>Also, I think Bartok wrote a book about his tonal systemIt's called the Axis Theory or Axis System, and there's some evidence John Coltraine had come across it before composing his famous Giant Steps progression, whose harmonic logic it coincides with. Although that progression also comes up in Ravel's Ondine, so maybe it doesn't mean much.To change the subject, I wonder if Ligeti can be considered a successor of Bartok's?
>>124120102any system outside of set theory, functions theory, and strict counterpoint is not worth the paper it's written on.
>>124120252Thank you autistic sister
>>124120272you are welcome.
>>124120074>>124120252>>124120368put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
please stop reposting archives it is not polite it is ill mannered and deceptive >>124120504admitting that your wrong is the first step to growing into better sister
>>124120560admitting that you’re a pedophile apologist is the first step to recovery, kiddy diddler sister
im not giving you my email just so ican bypass wait times it defeats the purpose of posting on boards
>>124120601fuck jannies.
>>124117092>>124117130>>124117163We can see here from that very same thread someone was imitating the Pathetic Loner(most likely the sisterposter). The trip ending in Dfw is the one who made the post claiming to love child porn along with multiple other derogatory posts and is the one who got banned. Again most likely this was the sisterposter themself masquerading as the PL in a false flag operation who got banned-hence their confidence that the PL was banned. Hence The SP accuses the PL of ban evading since that is what they themselves are doingHowever we can also see that the PL ending in z7M which is not in fact banned and is in this very thread was multiple times calling out the imposter for masquerading as them.https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122901034/#q122918033
>>124120789thanks. The truth does not fear investigation.
>>124120789laughably absurd train of logic. more likely is the pedophile kraut was having a schizophrenic episode as he is prone to do. >>124120823stop ban evading, pedophile kraut
>>124120951
>>124119603who is the aphex twin of classical then?
>>124120979keep copping out, pedo kraut
>>124120981>implying he isn't already
Anyone to check out for Brahms' late piano works except for Katchen, or is theirs far and away the best?
Schubert's Octethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnpVu8Eihj4
>>124120789Based and truthpilled. The only part I can't accept is that sisteranon was the imposter. I know they are who they are but I refuse to accept that anyone can be so insane and pernicious as to spend many months calling out and harassing someone based on their own falseflag, especially including posting pics of it often. That's beyond the limits to how demented any person can be. They probably just got fooled by the imposter.
>>124121104you underestimate TJ. He's been in these threads eighteen hours a day seven days a week for over three years now.
>>124121104doesn’t seem like too much of an imposter to me>>124121169put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>124121177I thought anon's post laying out his case was pretty compelling.>>124121169To invent a negative trait for someone using a name on an anonymous out of whole cloth and then doggedly and ruthlessly attack them over it, all the while the evidence they post is in fact a post they made themselves while never breaking character, all over disagreements over music taste and mindset? No fuckin' way anyone would do that over such a ridiculously unserious motivation, I refuse to believe it.Anyway let's get back to music.
>>124121048Stephen Hough, Paul Lewis
>>124121245TJ also works for free.
>>124121245not really, he’s been doggedly trying to argue that the original posts were totally just a troll and not at all an admission of being a pedophile groomer. he has a preexisting motivation of defending the pedophile kraut and now he’s switched his narrative using the convenient excuse of “the mentally ill freak is arguing with himself so clearly this must be 2 different people”. utterly retarded. >>124121272put your trip back on, pedophile kraut.
>>124121275And the incriminating post and imposter persona was, all in a bout of schizophrenia and/or trying to cover his ass, done with a different trip from the start? C'mon, it's clear which scenario is far more plausible.>>124121272I figure shitposting on here is the menial activity they do while listening to music. I get it, we all do something.
>>124121327>done with a different trip from the start?he obviously changed his trip because the other one was banned for breaking rule 1. i couldn’t care less about his motivations for his schizophrenic spergout. crackheads argue with themselves all the time too, but no one gives enough of a shit to justify their insane behavior.
Forgive me if this is off-topic, but good films or works of literature (novels or poetry) that center around or have classical music as one of its major themes or at least an important facet? Something like Kafka on the Shore with the Archduke Trio and Schubert.
now playingstart of Debussy: Images pour orchestre, L. 122https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNIAWO2dtDc&list=OLAK5uy_lyiZ1CTmndaGBUOxARvfsCuXyupwXpT6A&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lyiZ1CTmndaGBUOxARvfsCuXyupwXpT6A>This is the Debussy disc to buy if you're buying only one. All of the best and most popular orchestra music is here (the second of the "Images" is the well-known tone poem "Iberia"). Salonen must have the keenest ear in the business--no "impressionist" fuzz here. Musical textures are extraordinarily clear, but never at the expense of the music's natural sensuality. The Los Angeles Philharmonic has been playing at the very highest technical level ever since Esa-Pekka Salonen took over, and Sony has been documenting their work in top-quality sound. There are a lot of Debussy recordings, many of them very good, but it's hard to beat the all-around excellence of this one. --David HurwitzAnd some interesting quotes from the conductor at the start of the top review:>In the 1997 DVD "In Rehearsal with The Los Angeles Philharmonic", Esa-Pekka Salonen states; "I think that Debussy is the most important composer of the century." He later says that the future of music has more to do with Debussy, Ravel and Stravinsky than any other composers. And finally, Salonen regards La Mer as "one of The greatest masterpeieces of all time."
>>124117125>pianoshit recording
>>124118790That's silly, most animeposters I've seen are generally more on-topic than sisterposter.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewpn9rgsjgg
>>124122009If Bach took a vacation from Heaven and brought back to life today, he would say "why are some of you still playing my music on those silly old instruments when you have the divine piano!?"
>>124122046Nah he'd say>Play it on a organ, the intended instrumenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgQTIbiezAw
>>124120074Cool, thanks for the info.
That one anon who talked about how Karajan played a heavy part in the production and mastering of his recordings really changed how I view them, knowing they're the result of a complete vision. Any other conductors do something similar?
If Bach is so bad, what composer wrote better fugues?
>>124121029where is this screenshot from?
>>124122441Fugue is a terrible form. I'll admit Bach was good at fugues, but that's it.
>>124122637Fugues >>>> sonata form
>>124122649Terrible bait.
>>124122649Fugues are the Tom & Jerry or the Coyote & Roadrunner of musical forms, they get tiresome after a while
>>124122675>>124122679>t. Musically illiterate plebs who only listen to romantic period slopIf you cannot appreciate a fugue, you dont like music. Might as well listen to film soundtracks, about as artful as the "music" that utilizes sonata form
>>124122691Terrible bait.
>>124122441>ascended tier: a synthesis of sonata form and fugue
>>124122441The fuga BEFORE Bach was formally much better than what it became in the hands of Bach.
>>124122691And don't even get me started on Canons. Those are luciferian brain-shredding machines.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_EXtFcqyVE
>>124122815>>124122858>beatlestard calling anything luciferian>beatlestard critiquing anything
>>124122881>beatlestardWhat sort of projection-strawman-cope hybird is this?
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trt9qiUqsv4
>>124122964You posted a beatles meme, beatlesister
>>124122836Okay, post examples retard
schoenberg is nigger music
>>124123389Fact
>>124122858this one is my favorite:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIm3sb8oyiEhow the fuck did Bach even do it? what's the best source on advanced counterpoint?
>>124123074"Terrible music" is now a beatles meme? Total schizophrenia kek. As expected from the low IQ bachfag.
>>124123524Bach is the beginning and the end. try writing a canon in quintuple counterpoint and see how far you can get before giving up and crying.
>>124123389God created atonality. It's in the Bible. It's how Joshua conquered the Canaanites. It was kept a secret by the Levites for millenia because it was the musical language of God, not meant for the ears of the unchosen, but it was prophesied that a Jewish Messiah would rise almost 3000 years later to bring back to humanity the language necessary to reestablish direct dialogue with God and make a final covenant with him, to which anyone who is able to understand the Word through holy Atonality, regardless of race or creed, is welcome.
>>124121275illiteracy should not be used as an excuse to justify blaming others for what i've been doing utterly retarded indeed>>124121767anime has several works covering classical music which shouldnt come as a surprise>>124123781false flag archive reposter
Its Halloween, what are you guys listening to?
>>124123524Excellent deflection beatlesister
>>124123900When did I deflect? Do explain schizo
>>124123801>false flag archive reposterNothing but the truth in that post
Schoenberg https://youtu.be/OGtE_JA-QvQ?si=R7QCmsBsDxAzYdB8
>>124123962Excellent question beatlesister
>>124124202So true schister
>>124124294Total schizophrenia. I haven't even listened to Beatles beyond the most popular tracks lmao.
>>124124320Thank you beatlesister
>>124121767The Kreutzer Sonata by Leo Tolstoy
>>124124362Total schizophrenia.
>>124122637Fugue is a compositional technique and a musical texture as well as a form.All forms can employ fugal writing.
>>124123826Halloween is on the 31st
>>124124409I was talking about the form fugue obviously.
>>124121767https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHfQCfUTlXE
>>124123826Shostakovich is unironically well-suited for Halloween.inb4 yes it's scary bad
>>124124390Thank you beatlesister
>>124124493Shostakovich was such a little girl when it comes to writing music though. Ran from the Soviets like a fucking pussy when he was writing the 8th String Quartet. Its pathetic actually, the basis of most of his works was his depression.https://youtu.be/-0nKJoZY64A?si=Ffkns1TLFgWkc4i5&t=500This is the only String Quartet I enjoyed, especially the 3rd Movement.
>>124124625Total schizophrenia.
>>124124691Uh, do you know how the Stalinist regime treated dissidents? Can't blame him.And the 8th is pretty good, but I've always preferred his more relatively classically influenced ones, like this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA-tWsRkviQ>the basis of most of his works was his depression.Yes, which, as I've often said, I can't really enjoy his symphonies anymore because once you remove the background context and the desire to hear something morose and anxious, there isn't much left to enjoy outside of the like the 9th. But that still makes it and others great for Halloween. His solo piano music too, and chamber stuff and violin and cello concertos, etc.
>>124124202this is gods Music........Schönberg was not an Atheist........no great Music has ever been composed by an Atheist.........Facts and love from vienna Austria.......where it all began,.Haydn,. Mozart,. Beethoven,.schubert,.etc....
>>124124964>Music began in AustriaThe only thing that began in Austria is boy prostitution when the Turks arrived at the walls of Vienna
>>124125033Correct.
let's start the day with Schumann 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDJbGnqzyrU&list=OLAK5uy_loOORo6LUnOFgM8XIY5DRYjBdUtVd6h6w&index=1
>>124125033Hot
The best Pagliacci?
>>124124383translations by mcdonald suck i refuse to read them
>>124121767In Search of Lost TimeThe Unbearable Lightness of Being
>>124125269Yo wat Dis shit sound like it was written by AI dawg, das some random goofy ass chord movement in the introbruh schumann was a whacky ass nigga check out dis beat drop from Bruckner 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCjLocSTwq4
>>124125502what's wrong with the hapgood one?
>>124125547i dont read translations from women unless there is a man supervising it
>>124125562Gutenberg has one by Tucker, not a woman
New>>124125623>>124125623>>124125623
>>124125577>1st paragraph mcdonald: This took place in early spring. It was the second uninterrupted day of our journey. Every so often passengers who were only going short distances would enter the railway carriage and leave it again, but there were three people who, like myself, had boarded the train at its point of origin and were still travelling: a plain, elderly lady with an exhausted-looking face, who was smoking cigarettes and was dressed in a hat and coat that might almost have been those of a man; her companion, a talkative man of about forty, with trim, new luggage; and another man who was rather small of stature and whose movements were nervous and jerky – he was not yet old, but his curly hair had obviously turned grey prematurely, and his eyes had a peculiar light in them as they flickered from one object to another. He was dressed in an old coat that looked as though it might have been made by an expensive tailor; it had a lambskin collar, and he wore a tall cap of the same material. Whenever he unfastened his coat, a long-waisted jacket and a Russian embroidered shirt came into view. Another peculiar thing about this man was that every now and again he uttered strange sounds, as if he were clearing his throat or beginning to laugh, but breaking off in silence.>2nd paragraph mcdonald: Throughout the entire duration of the journey this man studiously avoided talking to any of the other passengers or becoming acquainted with them. If anyone spoke to him he would reply curtly and abruptly; he spent the time reading, looking out of the window, smoking or taking from his old travelling-bag the provisions he had brought with him and then sipping tea or munching a snack.
>>124125577>1st paragraph tucker junker: Travellers left and entered our car at every stopping of the train. Three persons, however, remained, bound, like myself, for the farthest station: a lady neither young nor pretty, smoking cigarettes, with a thin face, a cap on her head, and wearing a semi-masculine outer garment; then her companion, a very loquacious gentleman of about forty years, with baggage entirely new and arranged in an orderly manner; then a gentleman who held himself entirely aloof, short in stature, very nervous, of uncertain age, with bright eyes, not pronounced in color, but extremely attractive,—eyes that darted with rapidity from one object to another.>2nd paragraph tucker junker: This gentleman, during almost all the journey thus far, had entered into conversation with no fellow-traveller, as if he carefully avoided all acquaintance. When spoken to, he answered curtly and decisively, and began to look out of the car window obstinately. both are garbage
>>124125630You forgot subject, retard.
>>124125630no anime no participation
>>124123801holy fucking runon sentence, talk about illiteracy
>>124125841>no you
>>124125652There's no winning with you, is there?
>>124125882not today i woke up from the first sensual dream that ive had in a while and it only made me long for something out of reach as a result im taking it out on your recommendation
>>124122679I agree when its like the Franck fugue lmao
>>124123486Well we know that Fux wasn't a part of the equation
