Rachmaninoff proofing concerto no.3 in Ivanovka editionThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>124420490
>>124444556Classical music just isn't that good desu. I've grown up and I've moved on to listening to heavy metal. I hope some day you will to.
let's end the day with<-----start of Brahms: String Quintet No. 1 in F, Op. 88https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf4pgp0h-sg&list=OLAK5uy_m21OU-nuEaOKSHLfbUCEcpfduoBqAzBdI&index=2start of Brahms: String Quintet No. 2 in G, Op. 111https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPpUTUQETwY&list=OLAK5uy_m21OU-nuEaOKSHLfbUCEcpfduoBqAzBdI&index=4Also check out this blurb, these Brahms quotes are amazing:>The two String Quintets are considered to be among Brahms' greatest chamber works. The first was a favorite of the composer, and he wrote to his publisher that, 'you'll never receive anything more beautiful from me.' The second was written when Brahms had all but retired. When he delivered the work to the publisher he wrote, 'with this note you can take leave of my music, because it is high time to stop.' The Nash Ensemble, having recently celebrated their 40th anniversary, are having something of a golden period. Their previous Onyx discs of Turnage and Mendelssohn received rave reviews.
>>124444569People usually move from metal to classical not vice versa, imbecile.
Favorite recordings of Sibelius' 2nd symphony?
>>124444569not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>124440152>>124440215>>124440224Fortunately it's Brabbins
>>124444792well now he just sounds like a downie instead of a fart fetishist
>>124444609Paul Paray!
Love this guy
>>124445110Decent tunesmith, I'd say.
>>124444569this>>124444585not really
>>124444609https://youtu.be/8DfSTHKv5fs?t=15
>>124445714I stopped listening to heavy metal when I was sixteen or seventeen, which seems appropriate.
There was something Messianic about Wagner himself, a degree of megalomania that approached actual lunacy…He was a short man, about 5 feet, 5 inches tall, but he radiated power, belief in himself, ruthlessness, genius. As a human being he was frightening. Amoral, hedonistic, selfish, virulently racist, arrogant, filled with gospels of the superman (the superman naturally being Wagner) and the superiority of the German race, he stands for all that is unpleasant in human character…but his egomania was supported by genius, and after him music was not the same.
>>124446116>He was a short man, about 5 feet, 5 inches tallThis instantly proves that the writer is full of shit, because 5 feet, 5 inches was an average height for males in the 19th century.
These are the best recordings of each Wagner opera (not counting the first three), right?
>>124446183He was MUCH shorter than that.
>>124446198When it comes to the Ring it gets more subjective, but the others are usually considered the best recordings.
>>124446116>a womanizer who said mean thing about the juiceThe absolute madman, vat monster
Alright, enough memes. I need recordings for Wagner that are top level, true to his vision, and have audio quality that won't make me kill myself listening on IEMs.
>>124447204https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IMCnaSpuJwyou can't have it all
>>124447204solution: stop listening to music on IEMs
>>124447274My favorite way to listen to music is definitely outdoors on a larger speaker or boombox, but when attending uni in the city I have to deal with listening to music on my phone 99% of the time.
>>124446110Clearly you're the retard, since you don't understand the different between a process and a result. >>124446115And you're even stupider. Why would I "argue" against a strawman?
This Kertesz Brahms cycle is so good, it might be my new go-to for a while.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_sz0Uk6tx8&list=OLAK5uy_m36EsSHn0oCpiVumZ8QP_EPEtYRlazu8Y&index=1
>>124447379You cannot take the following statement comma "It's hearty, wholesome, versatile and popular with everyone. Truly fantastic when garnished and ornamented, yet still delicious when eaten plain," and broadstroke it to bread as an absolute. Bread doesn't work like that, retard. The fact that you claim my argument is a strawman is more evidence that you don't know the basics of cooking.
Verdihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hGb_O3ykT4
>>124447353then don’t complain if your vagner sounds like shit on your IEMs, because IEMs sound like shit. >>124447408it’s good, but it’s honestly nothing special.
>>124447483>it’s good, but it’s honestly nothing special.Well we all know I get excited for variety for its own sake. Odds are I'll return to Klemperer's or whomever's next week falling in love all over again but hey that's part of the fun.
>>124447483Wakey wakey delusional swarthy insomniac
>>124447483iems dont sound like shit...i have the original tin t2s and they've been handling things fine. not as fine as my hd6xx, but that's another matter.
>>124447519it's bedtime in india pajeet, go to sleep>>124447529LOL, hello /hpg/ immigrant
>>124447517i'd take kertesz's brahms over klemperer at this point, klemperer is so irritatingly metronomic. i went the longest time disliking brahms 1 because i only ever listened to klemperer and his deliberately stiff tempi completely obscure the form of the entire piece.
>>124447545i dont know what hpg is and dont care but claiming that iems sound like shit ignores what they're capable of
>>124447555you're just some guy who browsed /r/headphones for an hour 5 years ago and used the reddit consensus as gospel, i don't think you know what IEMs are "capable of" (not much).
>>124447553I feel that. I can enjoy most 3rds and 4ths, about half of the 2nds I hear, but for me to enjoy a 1st it has to be really special. Of course loving them is another level entirely.
Any good long-form articles talking about the history and various schools of conducting, particularly those of the 20th century until now?
>>124447545You have insomnia and schizophrenia, consult a psychiatrist.
>>124447565all of a sudden it's no longer hpg but rather leddit that solicited my purchase of iems. no comma i bought these from the recommendation of a private forum. they function just fine in the right circumstances. for instance, when i go on long walks.
>>124447569it's not even that, it's that klemperer gives a bad representation of the piece to a first time listener because his tempi do not help to clarify the form of the pieces he conducts. it's the same with his missa solemnis, which more or less sounds like a blur of incoherent random events to the uninitiated listener. >>124447589you are indian, i don't think there's anyone you can consult to fix that LOL>>124447591/hpg/ and /r/headphones are basically the same thing so it's not really a contradiction. >i bought these from the recommendation of a private forumwhat's the point of private forums anyways when they're just parroting reddit? roflmao>they function just fine in the right circumstancesi don't think whether or not them functioning is in dispute, more of whether or not they sound good, which they don't.
>>124447604Ah. All I know is whether a recording works for me or not, if I feel like changing to something else when listening even if it's a piece I really love, rarely can I diagnose the 'why' of it. I'll keep that in mind next time I listen to Klemperer's.
>>124447483IEMs don't sound like shit, they just won't hide recordings sounding like shit by being low precision.
>>124447408>>124447569My go-to has been Dorati LSO, how do you like that cycle>>124447604That is incorrect, however you can still consult a psychiatrist so I'll try to help save you (from us).
>>124447604>/hpg/ and /r/headphones are basically the same thing so it's not really a contradiction. a general on 4chan is the same thing as leddit...okay, you're actually retarded.
>>124447634>My go-to has been Dorati LSO, how do you like that cycleHaven't heard it, which is odd because I generally quite like almost every recording I hear from Dorati but he's never been a conductor whose name I'll go actively seeking for a work or will convince me on its own to check it out without a specific, prior recommendation. So with that, I'll check it out, thanks!
>>124447622sounds like you need to think a little bit more about the music you listen to instead of mindlessly consuming it. >>124447624they do in fact sound like shit and they will make good music sound like plastic dog ass because they make all music sound like plastic dog ass regardless of quality. >>124447634sorry pajeet, that isn't a coherent sentence. at this point, not even the best of ESL teachers can save you from your nonexistent command of the english language, nor the curry smell that radiates around you. >>124447644if they're saying the same things and posting the same memes, what's the difference?
>>124447660That is still incorrect, however you can still consult a psychiatrist abd I'm trying to help save you (from us).
>>124447671sorry pajeet, that still isn't a coherent sentence. at this point, not even the best of ESL teachers can save you from your nonexistent command of the english language, nor the curry smell that radiates around you.
>>124447204Then just listen to Bohm's recordings (Tristan, Der Ring, Meistersinger) and call it a day.
>>124447645you haven't heard about it because it's not good. the aspects of dorati's style that make him so good in haydn and beethoven make him sound like a fish out of water in brahms.
>>124447660>sounds like you need to think a little bit more about the music you listen to instead of mindlessly consuming it.That's the job for people like you and other music critics ;)Nah my real issue is, and this may sound silly, I'll almost always give the benefit-of-the-doubt to the recording and conductor. As in, instead of going "oh that's a bad decision," I'll default to "maybe I'm just not used to it" or "I'm just not in the mood for this piece right now," etc. Silly, I know, but it is what it is.
I listen exclusively to cheap chinkshit IEMs after having tried a myriad of headphones recommended by audiophiles because they simply sound better to my ears by comparison and don't give me a hair dent
>>124447678>>124447696Still incorrect and delusional, try consulting a psychiatrist.
>>124447699please don't refer to me as a music critic, that's an insult worse than anything the loser pajeet could come up with. >I'll default to "maybe I'm just not used to it" second guessing yourself in subordination to some random faggot with a stick is retarded. your first impression is nearly always correct; repeat listening only exists to elucidate why and reinforce that opinion or to very occasionally disprove it with greater insight. >>124447707i'm convinced now that everyone complaining about hair dents is just balding and doesn't realize it. >>124447721still indian and stinky, try staying in india forever so no one else has to smell you.
>>124447729kekThat's good advice and perspective.
>>124447729Still incorrect and delusional music critic, try consulting a psychiatrist.
>>124447744the "i just don't get it" excuse is much more reasonably taken with pieces rather than recordings. the point of recordings is to make pieces sound immediately good, whereas pieces themselves are not always designed for immediate appeal. recordings are not high art. >>124447762>he took the baitLOL, so easily influenced. no wonder the british literally enslaved your entire race with no effort for centuries.
>>124447419>don't know the basics of cooking.Still irrelevant. Bot tier posting.
>>124447775You really need a psychiatrist if you think anyone not proficient in english is indian, swarthy mutt.
>>124447729I used headphones for about two decades. Went through just about every highly rated one I could find. All gave me hair dents and within that decade my hair hasn't really changed much. I'm in my 30s now so I probably do have mild male pattern baldness but my hair is still about as full as it always was, so I don't think that's it.
what leads a fatty flyover magatard to worship brahms anyway
>>124447775>the "i just don't get it" excuse is much more reasonably taken with pieces rather than recordings. the point of recordings is to make pieces sound immediately good, whereas pieces themselves are not always designed for immediate appeal. recordings are not high art.That's a good way of putting it, I'll keep it in mind from now on. Certainly far too much time wasted on trying and retrying recordings that are highly praised and critically acclaimed that don't click for me on first or even second listening.
I will be honest: I dont have an opinion on recordings, directing style or performances. I dont have that attention to detail or knowledge. I pick a composer or album that seems interesting, listen to all of it, and ponder if I like the music. If I listen to the same piece weeks or months later, I will no longer remember the previous one in such detail as to make a comparison. My routine is a couple or maybe three albums a day, some new and others from my collection.
>>124447789no, it's just you, pajeet. >>124447798sounds like your hair was never really that full to begin with. >>124447838>Certainly far too much time wasted on trying and retrying recordings that are highly praised and critically acclaimed that don't click for me on first or even second listening.that's what i did with klemperer's boring ass brahms and i went literal years thinking that brahms wasn't for me until i heard actual good brahmsians. klemperer just sucks outside of the rare handful of pieces like mahler 2/das lied and the flying dutchman.
>>124447851Whether or not you like the music *is* an opinion on the recording, especially if you like or dislike it the piece more when listening to a different performance.
Schumann's symphonies far surpass Brahms' symphonies
>>124447872ironically shilling for schumann is really funny, the W poster should jump onto this bit.
>>124447872This is true.>I remember from a conversation with Frau Schumann how she, for her part, evaluated the first movement [of the First Symphony]. She found little outstanding about the ideas of the first part of the Allegro; only with the so-called development in the second part was the music thrilling and significant. Moreover, in the second subject she discovered a reminiscence of Schumann’s Manfred Overture. She explained that when she expressed this to him one day, Brahms retorted with irritation: “Yes, I know, of course, that I have no individuality” [“Ja, ich weiss ja, dass ich keine Individualität habe.”]
>>124447872Oh, how I wish this were even close to being true, to where it might be a debate. Schumann's symphonies are fine but I invariably always leave a little bit unsatisfied due to how good they ought to be versus their reality.
>>124447777>It's hearty, wholesome, versatile, and popular with everyone. Truly fantastic when garnished and ornamented, yet still delicious when eaten plain. Some people think it's boring, but they are only misinformed.that statement is using bread in the most perfect setting. that setting was used to compare it with bach, but to suggest that bread in such a perfect state can be made with the specification of that standard every time is an idealistic and naive point of view. simply put, the process and the result cannot be separated in a comparison such as this with the parameters as they are.
>>124447887>>124447896Just compare the lackluster finale of his 3rd symphony, coming after the intense 3rd movement, with the cathartic finales of Schumann's 2nd symphony and 1st piano trio. Brahms' slow movements in the first three symphonies are also more tedious than memorable or moving.
>>124447896>how good they ought to beWhy 'ought' they to be good? Wagner always said Schumann was bad at composing in larger forms.W.
>>124447914In the sense of the potential you can glean from listening to them + the heights he reaches in other forms. Yes, maybe he just wasn't that great at symphonies, but it's still disappointing.
>>124447870I have heard the Brandenburg Concertos in perhaps more than 10 versions, they all sound the same to me, with the exception of one HIP version were the tempo is waaaay different. Im sure you all will nitpick some of them as "the worst", "the best", "a crime against humanity" and say that its obvious why. But I dont have that depth of... whatever it takes to make the judgement.
>>124447913>some random ass minuet and trio>intenseLOL
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>>124447940Fair enough.
Brahms was never able to write a truly triumphant finale, instead concluding in a placid continuation of the present mood (the 1st attempts to contrive tragedy in a minor key introduction, only to return to the major tonality of the previous movements).
>>124447946>>124447958i always thought that the finale of the second was one of the most blazingly joyful pieces of music ever written, but this random faggot on 4chan has finally convinced me that it's just a "placid continuation of the present mood" (of what, the menuet that sounds nothing like it?).
>>124447851As long as the recording quality is good, most of the time I'm pretty similar to you, for example Richter's WTC is the only WTC I listen to, can't be bothered to listen to any other. But when it comes to my absolute favorites like Rach 2, 3 and maybe 4, or pieces I'm playing such as some of the Chopin's preludes, I have special favorites and I can clearly hear the minor differences and details, phrasing, dynamics etc.>>124447866Go see a psychiatrist swarthy mutt.
>>124444569This, except I moved on to jazz.
>>124447946hurwitz's greatest recordings ever series started out pretty decent with obscure and neglected repertoire but at this point it's just devolved into dave's faves 2.0. this is the how manyth time he's jerked off this shitty bernstein mozart recording again? >>124447972stay in india forever, loser pajeet.
>>124444569If anything you should move on to electronic. All the people who would have been the modern great composers have been in that genre for decades.
>>124447981>>124448008not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead.
>>124447946This series has some of the best recs, bet this recording is gold.>>124448000Stay in psych ward.
>>124448008The problem is... that shit is gay. Like reallyyyyyy gay. I'll listen to classical because that's cool-- it makes you think, and it's very dramatic, and yeah that stuff's cool. And I'll listen to rock, that has the nice guitar riffs, and it gets your blood pumping, and it's all dirty and sexy, yeahhhhh. But electronic shit? Come on, that's for queers. Anyone that likes that garbage also probably likes cocks, that's all I'm saying.
>>124448047LOL, certified ESL moment.
>>124448056Please stay in psych ward insomniac, you presence is unwanted.
>>124448047my dislike for homosexuals and zionists leave me at odds with hurwitz and his recommendations, especially that latter, where it is most common for him to promote people just like himself as he has done in pic rel.
>>124448073Meds
>>124448072and a good morning to you too saaaarrr
>>124448101looks like you're propping it all up with volume but it's not actually full enough to support weight. no wonder you're complaining about hair dents.
>>124448050I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the popular image of classical music listeners is old crusty boomers and effete gays.
>>124447946>Leonard Bernstein's performance of this Mass is the finest available. Proof comes from a very unexpected source. A major French classical music magazine conducted a blind listening test of every available performance of this Mass--and this recording was the unanimous choice of the jury. No one was more surprised than they were, but one minute of this blazing performance confirms that they were right. A superb disc. --David HurwitzGuess it can't hurt to give it another go later today.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvyqeCvvF5w&list=OLAK5uy_nPdQAaT-FP10HqcaJoa_OBDaseq_pyCFY&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV7gLWo2pO0&list=OLAK5uy_nPdQAaT-FP10HqcaJoa_OBDaseq_pyCFY&index=3
>>124448105Stay in psych ward insomniac.
feels like a morning for Mahler 2
best Viola Concertos?
>>124448130and a good morning to you too saaaarrr>>124448133ew, i'm not interested in this zoomer mutt's broccoli perm.
>>124448147start of Walton: Concerto for Viola & Orchestrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnRabF3U3Zk&list=OLAK5uy_m9xqbWQbtH7zp2Uyd5tMzt7qLPitn4oN4&index=1start of Bruch: Concerto for Violin & Viola with Orchestra in E Minor, Op. 88https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM4tBTs3F9M&list=OLAK5uy_m9xqbWQbtH7zp2Uyd5tMzt7qLPitn4oN4&index=4
>>124448165if you’re going to have a retarded zoomer mutt perm then you deserve to have a hair dent. get a normal person (and not the homeless crackhead outside the 7/11 haircut you just posted) haircut and your problems will cease.
>>124448198never had it, never will. get a better haircut, broccoli boy.
>>124448225>dox yourself like a retarded zoomer!you’re going to have to do better than that, broccoli boy.
your liberties, for your own sake, entreat upon you to not share any more personal biometrics than you already ahve
>>124448161Is Jarvi pronounced 'Harvey' or with a hard J?
>>124448259>posting an actual neanderthal who never lost the soft spot in his head as a babyyeah, you’ve lost the plot, balding broccoli boy. keep listening to plastic BAs and i’ll enjoy my full head of hair AND actual good sounding headphones.
>>124448290stop bullying someone just looking for some advice to improve their life :(
>>124448290>keep listening to plastic BAsMy IEMs only use dynamic drivers, though.>AND actual good sounding headphones.What headphones do you use, baldie?
>>124448287Why the fuck would it be pronounced Harvey??
>>124448310like the Hispanic Jesus or Jorge...
>>124448287neither Jarvie is prounconouned as Yarvi
>>124448312He's Estonian...
>>124448298don’t be naive, he’s obviously a schizo who has a collection of pictures of zoomer eceleb streamers looking like the dysgenic freaks they are. >>124448300yeah, i’m sure your aliexpress DD shoved into a stock housing sounds real fucking good. everyone loves the sound of a razor sharp 6khz peak, huh?>What headphones do you use, baldie?wouldn’t you like to know, broccoli boy? don’t you have an apex legends match to get to?
>>124448315Yervie, actually.
>>124448328>who has a collection of pictures of zoomer ecelebThose were just copy pasted results from Google images of "headphone hair dent" >everyone loves the sound of a razor sharp 6khz peak, huh?Where's the peak?>wouldn’t you like to know, broccoli boy?Yes, baldie. I'm genuinely interested. I want to know what your reference for great sound is.
>>124448315>>124448320>>124448333now I'm really confused
Diaghilevhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF9gzpr7d34&list=PLGfjhrxr3EEySSBPbPLpGWOhtVOzsHD8q
>>124448353>Those were just copy pasted results from Google images of "headphone hair dent"and you, in good faith, decided to post a picture of a proto-human caveman ape who has a malformed skull. yeah, i totally believe you. >Where's the peak?your graph doesn’t have enough smoothing, add some more so that it just looks like a flat line from 20 to 20. >Yes, baldie. I'm genuinely interestedi’m interested in why you’re skipping your league of legends match to defend $0.20 aliexpress stock DDs.
>>124448370Here it is measured on a 5128 with 0 smoothingAgain, where's the peak? I'm pretty sensitive to peaks in the 5k-6k range, it's why I sold my HD800S.
>>124448395if you genuinely think an unsmoothed graph looks like that your brain has more smoothing than the tool you’re using.
>>124448328the word naive was used in this thread less than an hour ago. it means you're adopting words evoked by me to use as your own.
>>124448413pills time
>>124448408Even with maximum smoothing, if there was a peak there, it would be obvious. I don't know why you don't want to tell me about your own audio equipment. You'll constantly berate others for their choices, but you won't put yours out there? I would love to try out your headphones to see if there as good as you say they are. I'm always willing to try something different.
>>124448442That's just TJ 101, he will goal post shift and endlessly reply with insults even when he's wrong because he's insecure about his own tastes and opinions You won't ever get a genuine answer from him, just give up
>>124448442>Even with maximum smoothing, if there was a peak there, it would be obvious. not really, using smoothing to hide peaks is a tale as old as time, even jude does it when he needs to run damage control for a headfi sponsor. picrel is a random graph from my archives that i made with my own IEC 711, note that the angles on it are sharp as hell. also note that this was a dampened as shit DD and even it has a 6khz peak; whatever IEM you’re posting either has an incredibly smoothened graph or has been so heavily dampened that it’s unable to muster any dynamic that’s not mf. >I don't know why you don't want to tell me about your own audio equipment.i don’t know why don’t want to tell me about the fortnite game you missed to argue with me about how smooth your brain is. >I would love to try out your headphones to see if there as good as you say they are.even if i told you, you wouldn’t be able to find them. >>124448459put your trip back on, pedophile kraut.
>>124448485>picrel is a random graph from my archives that i made with my own IEC 711, note that the angles on it are sharp as hellThat really doesn't look particularly sharper than the graphs I'm looking at with 0 smoothing. Maybe it's a bit more smoother on the micro level, but peaks don't get smoothed out significantly on this graph like that. It looks quite similar to yours, actually. Also, don't you mean 8k peak? I don't see peaking at 6k, but at around 7-8k
>>124448420ever notice how drivers in front, beside and behind you dictate the speed of your automobile while driving on the highway? it's not something i like to do, driving on the highway or driving in general, but especially on the highway, since about 3 years ago my city started installing surveillance on and around the loop, and so basically comma what you just experienced without ever taking notice of it, is exactly the type of behavior experienced on the highway. i guess it shouldnt come as a surprise since im your superior but also it shouldn't be above my status for me to ask just what the similarities are between highways and the internet. i might find that they have much more in common than i had initially thought.
Beethoven's 6th is a three movement symphony with a rhapsodic 3rd movement. Beethoven being gimmicky and pretending it's 5 doesn't change that
>>124448514>That really doesn't look particularly sharper than the graphs I'm looking at with 0 smoothingeven the smooth lines on my graph, like the incline from 31hz-1khz are not entirely smooth, you can see jagged edges there because the pink noise file that’s used for measurements is, at the end of the day, randomized noise; it will create minor artifacts that don’t affect the result of the measurement but do make it extremely obvious if smoothing is being used. >Also, don't you mean 8k peak? 8khz peaks on IEC 711s are standardized coupler resonance relative to insertion depth, they don’t exist (unless the IEM itself has an 8khz peak in which case it would exacerbate it) in practice. >I don't see peaking at 6klook at the peak after 4khz. this IEM is dampened as shit, so the higher peaks are suppressed by the inherent treble rolloff.
What HIP performance of Beethoven's symphonies is the closest to what it might have sounded like at the time of it being premiered?
>>124448515pills time. >>124448574it’s a 4 movement symphony following the traditional symphonic layout (sonata allegro > slow movement > scherzo and trio > sonata-rondo finale) with the thunderstorm serving as an introduction to the finale. it’s really not that complicated.
>>124448590try the Chailly/Gewandhaus cycle, assuming you also want quality
>>124448590HIP doesn’t sound anything like actual historical performance and never will, so none of them. >>124448611neither HIP nor traditional, just redheaded stepchild performance practice that tries to satisfy everyone, and in doing so pleases no one.
>>124448590Apparently the Paris Conservatoire/Schuricht recordings sound as close to Beethoven's time as it gets. But honestly it's imposdible to be sure.
>>124448590Hogwood I really like
>>124448626>HIP doesn’t sound anything like actual historical performance and never willGive a genuine reason
>>124448626Yeah I don't care for it either but I imagine it's pretty close to how they would have been performed in Beethoven's day
>>124448630that’s not what people mean when they talk about the paris conservatory orchestra. what they’re saying is that the paris conservatoire has the longest unbroken tradition of beethoven performance practice dating back to beethoven’s time, meaning that the performance practice itself was subject to modification per the tastes of trends and audiences in the 100 odd years between beethoven’s death and the schuricht recordings, but at the end of the day it is still stylistically closer to beethoven’s era than any HIP recording. >>124448648because replicating actual historical performance is a technical impossibility, and because HIP itself is less interested in historical accuracy and more interested in serving as a reaction against the full bodied, modern romantic orchestra. that’s why HIP orchestras still perform brahms and mahler even though that music was effectively written for the modern symphony orchestra. >>124448650and you imagine wrong.
>>124448575In any case, it doesn't really look like my set has a peak in that region like the VR1 does, looks pretty smooth to me when I'm comparing the two. Maybe it's dampened, but it doesn't really sound dynamically limited at all to my ears, and I would like to think I'm fairly sensitive to that kind of thing.
brap
>>124448683>because replicating actual historical performance is a technical impossibilitywhy?
>>124448683>at the end of the day it is still stylistically closer to beethoven’s era than any HIP recordingIsn't that what I said? "As close as it gets"?
>>124448691the VR1 was just a random example. here is another one that, on the other hand, is totally undampened, and is very readily apparent about it. >Maybe it's dampened, but it doesn't really sound dynamically limited at all to my ears, and I would like to think I'm fairly sensitive to that kind of thing.not unless you have anything to compare it to, and the reality is that the vast majority of people don’t. >>124448699the most important aspects of performance practice that define regional style in an orchestra are not something you can find in a pedagogy text or in a performance manual, they were passed down from teacher to student and between members of the same orchestra to create a unique sound. in other words, true historical performance is essentially lost knowledge. even ignoring this though, HIPsters blatantly ignore entire facets of historical playing styles like portamenti, so they’re working with incomplete or faulty information even with the extant information we have in mind. >>124448719it’s definitely not “as close as it gets” in practice, they obviously did not use a modern full sized symphony orchestra in beethoven’s day.
>>124448748>the most important aspects of performance practice that define regional style in an orchestra are not something you can find in a pedagogy text or in a performance manual, they were passed down from teacher to student and between members of the same orchestra to create a unique sound. in other words, true historical performance is essentially lost knowledge. even ignoring this though, HIPsters blatantly ignore entire facets of historical playing styles like portamenti, so they’re working with incomplete or faulty information even with the extant information we have in mind.Well, obviously we can't play exactly like Beethoven did. But there's no reason that we can't at least capture what a orchestra from Beethoven's time would sound like. And I agree that ignoring stuff like portamenti is a very flawed mindset but that is why I am asking for what recordings actually keep all that in mind and utilize it.
>>124449377>But there's no reason that we can't at least capture what a orchestra from Beethoven's time would sound like.no, we can't. the information regarding precise performance practice literally does not exist anymore. >but that is why I am asking for what recordings actually keep all that in mind and utilize it.none. no one uses portamenti anymore, period, it's a dead performance practice, and it's just an example of one that survived until the recorded era. who knows how many other dead performance practices that died during romanticism there are that we don't know about?
>when the zither drops inhttps://youtu.be/Yg_5gR9YZT8?t=738
>"So you are the man who writes music for 500 performers", said Fürst Metternich on meeting the composer; "Oh no, your excellency," replied Berlioz, "sometimes I write for only 450"dangerously based
>>124450076things that never happened
Now, some fortepiano
>if you really cared about music you'd already have access to red-ACK!
>>124450142How are you picking these recordings?
>>124450382I think that pic related comes from blogspot. Cadfael blog if I remember correctly (live performances from assorted european radio stations). Custom cover by me.
https://youtu.be/U03zmvDtHds?si=4rgrr-eG4cmCj43oMany scholars have often argued that regardless of his Christian afflictions, Wagner privately worshipped the god Dionysus or Bacchus in his roman orientation. He was fascinated by the Greek culture, reading countless books centered around Greek Mythos and cities like Ithaca, Sparta and Athens. He saw the German culture in decline, often saying how Jews have modernized and raped the very foundation of art. Beseeched by Bacchus and guided by Odin, Wagner undertook the arduous journey of restoring what he called European music and tradition.
>>124450634I get suspicious when people worship the man instead of the art he created. I love the music of Bach, its an incredible immortal work. I have never been interested in his bio. Now you are going to preach about why Wagner is different, but I dont care.
just discovered this composer and his wonderful piano triostart of Arensky: Piano Trio No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 32https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFCDGlZBLeE&list=OLAK5uy_kBE8B3gv7jw-Ey32KMu357Bfw7sUILb48&index=8also comes with a String Quartet and Piano Quintet which ought to be good, but definitely check out the Piano Trio
>>124450712You can't just compare Bach with Wagner, since both of them are from a different era of music. Bach never dominated in Baroque, Vivaldi completely outclassed him. Wagner on the other hand made the "romantic" era, everyone started drooling the instant Wagnerian music played, Wagner fucked Nietzsche's head so bad that it nearly made him insane, not to mention the music itself channeled the desire to be orderly, neat and courageous which further inspired the National Socialists.You cant find this in Bach's music, this "channeling" of violent energy and cathartic release of emotions.
>>124450554Ah. They're just really obscure recordings I've noticed so wondered how you were coming across and choosing them lol.
>>124450554im aware that no one has ever criticized you for the following. i know this as a matter of deduction. the decision made by you to share an awful and ugly image as a cover ought to have elicited an internal sense of rejection. it having been submitted means that you have terrible taste, that you're helplessly unaware of your surroundings, and that, naturally, i'm better than you. the end of the world doesn't have to be today or tomorrow now that you know what you know. growth into something more valuable is right around the corner, you just have to put a little effort in, and remember, pic related is not that.
>>124450787Yeah. I follow those blogs mainly because of the early music they share. But I grab more recent works now and then.
>>124450865For a personal custom-made album cover, it's quite nice. Get your head out of your ass, quit being a jerk, and take your meds.
>>124450865Hey, that comment you wrote was actually terribly mean.But it also sounds like you're worried about a lot of those things for yourself.But they were difficult for you to actually confront.So you projected them onto that person.I want you to know, too, that growth into something more valuable is right around the corner.But the little effort you'll have to start putting in, is to stop being so mean to other people on the internet.Because you're making them hurt in a similar way to how you're probably hurting right now.And you already know how much that hurts.
>>124450865>im aware that no one has ever criticized you for the followingNah, when you share something personal online people are mean all the time, its a fact of life. But as a grown up man I put little weight on those things.>>124450955Thanks. Live recordings dont have covers, and early music has truly awful ones, so I tend to create or replace them.
let's try<----start of Mussorgsky: Pictures At An Exhibitionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RRpnfR0hz4&list=OLAK5uy_kqBmhbTFArqwoh54yLXV8fudugjVFOFR8&index=1Not a work I'm too familiar with, surprisingly. Favorite recordings? I know it's a work with a bajillion recordings and most of them are good, so I'm curious what the standouts are. Typical of Sinopoli, the reviews say this one is a idiosyncratic performance, with a slower tempo and contemplative approach.
a cover containing an image of what appears to be a suburban area with trucks, cars, street lamps and modern architecture or a cover that contains a genuine work of art from the 1850s which manages to spell the name of the only worthwhile composer correctly. the way forward has never been more obvious.https://slow.pics/c/Ilmzgu3f
Going through Haebler's Mozart and I'm embarrassed by how few of Mozart's Piano Sonatas I've heard, maybe four or five max.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxdFZug9q2c&list=OLAK5uy_kvsxOUwp8nZnpXwnesCU5wdYUvuMCmlwA&index=51
>>124444569fpbp more like Mofart
>>124444569Same desu, after exploring it for a year I find classical music very shallow and repetitive. I exclusively listen to anime OSTs these days.
The top 5Beethoven Wagner Schoenberg Bruckner Mahler
now playingstart of Alkan: Cello Sonata in E Major, Op. 47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-iykj3Y1Q&list=OLAK5uy_mUhS9wR18zzcWgXrOOsPq50CTmZI4cqO8&index=2start of Chopin: Cello Sonata in G Minor, Op. 65https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id5B6B8LPks&list=OLAK5uy_mUhS9wR18zzcWgXrOOsPq50CTmZI4cqO8&index=5
>>124452471>no Bach or Mozartfuck off Romanturd
now playingstart of Liszt: Années de pèlerinage I, Suisse, S. 160, Première Année, S. 160https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMfn3Jp8t80&list=OLAK5uy_kC8vtn1D6KEjONU1-o_VWH6lXY91bnVJ4&index=1
>>124451054i've been thinking a lot about what you said to me, that i had been projecting my own insecurities onto anon. i came to the conclusion that even if that were the case, that i was somehow being too hard on anon because of an inner dispute yet resolved, it ignores the criticism of his decision to use the cover that was chosen. put another way comma the criticism would stand regardless of my inability to resolve personal issues. namely, that the awful and ugly cover art deserved to have a volley of negative words with mean-ing shot in its general direction. i not only took the time to make a suitable alternative that illustrates my argument for me, but i've also considered what you and anon have had to say. i don't appreciate being told to take meds. it implies that somethings not right in my head. and, i most certainly don't like anons creating fantasies with me in them where i'm allegedly projecting internal problems onto anon.
>>124453619O_O
Don't you guys ever think about how insane the average /classical/ thread looks like to the average /mu/ user
>>124452471Handel is up there and Beethoven (at the very least) would have agreed.
Time to finally tackle the remaining Vaughan Williams symphonies I haven't listened to yet (3, 7-9).>>124453679Sometimes, but you get used to it.
>>124453619never stop posting
>>124444556Fuck all of you. Make the world a better place and kill yourselves today. Or listen to Zoltán Kodály. Preferably both. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N6ipHnyJeg>>124453754The late ones are probably his best honestly
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ZIuRJHeE0
>>124453841>The late ones are probably his best honestlyYeah I'm listening to the 9th right now and it's fantastic stuff. Also added that recording of the Kodaly String Quartets by the Kontra Quartets, will be one of my next listens, sounds good from the two or so minutes I just played from your link.
>>124453619Lets close the day with early music and, yes, some custom covers. Out of curiosity, how old are you anon?>>124453679>how insane the average /classical/ thread looks likeIts a unique general, thats for sure
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ5E1E4CtII
Slavonic Dances
now playingstart of Kalinnikov: Symphony No. 1 in G Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49TatFfq9ZE&list=OLAK5uy_l54Ex5VoyiELhDQUci_B8orBM2qlPAS8M&index=1and then the amusing editorial review blurb on the Amazon page, clearly run through a translator and posted without qualify assurance:>The popular Karin Nikov, finally introduced BIS. Expect the explosion>Product Number: BIS-1155 [DDD] [77' 29'']>Finally, BIS first introduced to the first symphony of Kalinikov, the most popular song in recent days with the melody of exquisite beauty and mysterious voltage height. What is Oke the Malaysian Fill? It will make you hear the perfect explosion for this song. The second pastoral is also beautiful and has a contrasting taste. The Bacelus is a gleaming interpretation in the Rimskie-Kolsakov's work collection.>Case Bakels (Director) Malaysia Fill>Recording: December 2000 Dewan Philharmonic Petronas Hall (Kalalalpool (Malaysia))Helpful. Lovely, passionate music though. For fans of Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff.
>>124454189dborak :DDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uImrOwvW75k&list=OLAK5uy_m8ECQNJPXmzlnq0LTM4QXeO-KvyA5YN14&index=7
This guy has been popping up in my recommendations. What's his story? Did someone throw acid in his face, or was he in a fire?
>>124455096cursed image
>>124455128Nah, he looks ok there.I did a little digging and he did get injured in a fire in 1999.I feel like that was part of god's plan to strengthen his resolve on focusing on music instead of bitches and hoes.Dude has incredible tone and technique. God bless him.
>>124453679No? Why would it?
>>124455142God isn't real.
>>124455765thanks tipster sister
>casually mogs your compositionhttps://youtu.be/fE0RbPsC9uE
Name a composer you like that is still putting out new works
now playing, got recommended this here a while ago and finally getting around to itstart of Stenhammar: Symphony No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 34https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3GYfGKxAoY&list=OLAK5uy_mQcQq6YAiLmLUmSEsfKluU48PmzOJFbws&index=1>The G-Minor Symphony, his Second, is the result of this soul-searching transformation from a disciple of Wagner and Bruckner to the practitioner of the new and sober musical language that placed him in the same league as Nielsen and Sibelius. Taking inspiration from Renaissance and Baroque counterpoint, as well as Swedish folk music, Stenhammar’s symphony has a curious sound world that is neither archaic nor modern. The first movement has the character of a symphonic waltz that could have been written by a Renaissance polyphonist. The second movement, in keeping with the old-soul nature of the work, is said by the composer to have been inspired by Aeschylus’s Prometheus. My own favorite movements are the last two—the third movement is another waltz, more folk-like than the first and with a fiery lilt, and the finale is possibly one of the greatest symphonic fugues in the literature, a latter-day Grosse Fuge embedded with an organic logic and stirring passion worthy of Beethoven himself.
>>124456817is that king charles?
>>124456790Maho sexoooo
>>124456817I really love this, maybe my favourite Scandinavian symphony.
Describe what you think of this with one wordhttps://vocaroo.com/14waLopQeiLl
>>124448148Consult a local psychiatrist, insomniac.
Haydnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q_DaaJUSKE
>>124457925In my country, Backhaus is everythingLove his playing
>>124456547Worst composer in the world.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JznOgXF9Obs
>>124457990yeah i see why
>>124450634Life without Wagner is like a Women without a Vagina, "useless".
>>124458042>For me, it's Wagner, Karajan, and Backhaus. Why yes, I'm a Heideggerian, how did you know?
You're tellin' me no one has matched the compositional genius, beauty, and emotional depth of Brahms' Cello Sonatas since? C'mon.In the cello sonata form, obviously.
Thoughts on Hogwood's Beethoven?
>>124458368I know a couple people here really like his, even those who don't normally like HIP and HIP-adjacent.
Is there any HIPster who plays Beethoven with a small, almost baroque orchestra? Think it would sound neat, even if not historically accurate, but almost no HIP is historically accurate.
>>124458162>You're tellin' meI'm not telling you lies, no.
>>124458397Of the Russians, Prokofiev's Cello Sonata is my favorite, and I do love it, but even his gets BTFO'd by Brahms'.
>>124455508I mean we have some interesting characters for sure>Guy who has incredibly sexual interpretations of Wagner>Schoenberg autist with a hateboner for Wagner who spams "Wagnersister" all the time and might or might not be a janny>Autistic kraut posting random chords>Guy autistic about mixing and mastering that posts 5 view recordings with a picture of some anime chick>Guy obsessed with hurwitz>"Just deleted my entire folder of [some jewish performer]"List goes on, we could probably make an entire wiki for this one general alone. Certainly more culture in here than on the rest of /mu/, even if that culture is really fucking autistic.
>>124458413>Certainly more culture in here than on the rest of /mu/, even if that culture is really fucking autistic.Might have to do with the fact that classical is liked by jews, nazis, commies, christians and anti-theists and all of them hate each other and interpret the music according to their worldview.
>>124458413>>Guy autistic about mixing and mastering that posts 5 view recordings with a picture of some anime chickI'd bet all of the money in my pockets against all of the money in anyone else's pockets here that he's heard more Bach and Mozart recordings than anyone else on the planet. I appreciate and admire that attention to detail and singular-minded passion though,
>>124458431True
>>124458368Thoroughly mediocre
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTVgb5tbjD8
>>124457846and a good morning to you too saaaaarrrrr
>>124458389literally all of them do and it sounds like shit. satisfied?
>>124458413all me
>>124458413three of those green texts are the same person>>124458431>and anti-theistsis this an attempt to say one thing instead of another because of its association with material and secular goods?
is mozart good?
>>124458664If you have to ask...
>>124458559Most that I've heard use a pretty big orchestra, though.
>>124458664Of course, but you might not like him if you're a beginner. Just listen and enjoy what you currently like, keep exploring and eventually you'll end up listening to Mozart as well>>124458550Consult a local psychiatrist.
>>124458743they really don't, they all have pint sized string sections. >>124458973and a good morning to you too saaaaarrrrr
>>124459039Seek help, insomniac.
>>124458368One of the most consistent.
>>124459187Consistently mediocre, yeah
>>124459110and a good morning to you too saaaaarrrrr>>124459187consistently shit
>>124459187I'll check it out just to spite sissy>>124459273Seek immediate help insomniac music critic
Bachhttps://youtu.be/Fkv8z8-ZkgQThese guys have a CPE Bach concerto recording, but sadly it seems to be nowhere online.
https://youtu.be/L85XTLr5eBE?si=kmsZqZjy4uUIE8pHTo an ordinary man it would sound like a jumbled mess, but in that jumbled mess lies the theophany. This is not merely music, there are visions and codes embedded in these notes. Schoenberg wanted to send a message to the future generations through his music, but we who drowned in superstition and materialism were too fucking blind to perceive his greatness and legacy.There lies something very dangerous in the abyss of atonal music, be careful lest it rape your mind.
where should people who care about the quality of music go now that redacted is ded?
went up on my daily medication dose so forgive me if I start acting weird in the short-term :)
>>124459731what are you taking
>>124456817From what I've seen this recording is considered the best one for Stenhammar 2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U3EPzRRyNg&list=OLAK5uy_nWZirxJ-ZqeRzIbJcX8RF371U-ArY0B6o
>>124459815I added that one too but I had to give the benefit of the doubt to my man Blomstedt! Plus it includes the Serenade, Op. 31, which I've read is excellent and I shall be getting to soon. On the next listen I'll do that one though.
>>12445979545 min. of Bach XR (extended-release) up to now 60 min. of Bach IR (instant-release) twice a day.
>>124459815I preferred the Blomstedt last time I listened.
>>124459831Tentatively I prefer the tone and sound of the Blomstedt a bit more, it may be the case that the way Westerberg does it is closer to Stenhammar's intent though.
>>124457358Solid choice. I'd probably pick something by Nielsen but I'm probably being swayed by his quantity. Same with Langgaard.
sisters im in need of barbirolli's million disc remaster by art et sons to fill in gaps left by english composers. this is not a request so much as it is an ultimatum.https://files.catbox.moe/cqf3k4.mp3https://www.discogs.com/release/21046282-Sir-John-Barbirolli-The-Complete-Warner-Recordings
Fug I can't decide which Messiah to listen to today between Colin Davis' or Karl Richter's, two completely different approaches, what do you guys think?Colin Davis/London Symphony Orchestrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je1Ycf9EpoE&list=OLAK5uy_mX42pXKKbykpTFbO1j8xSFP0bBOw8u0Ug&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGXqWkGwYOQ&list=OLAK5uy_mX42pXKKbykpTFbO1j8xSFP0bBOw8u0Ug&index=7versus (same parts)Karl Richter/London Philharmonic Orchestrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPnyelUJFNA&list=OLAK5uy_n3zNXd-RDPlhXbRWfRstaZfc2CKoDmb7Y&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yp6MsN-q9w&list=OLAK5uy_n3zNXd-RDPlhXbRWfRstaZfc2CKoDmb7Y&index=7
pic rel would also be a welcome addition. it comes from the following link. i dont know if it has been remastered though. discogs suggests that it has, but most are probably reissues with only a few having been recently remastered.https://files.catbox.moe/d4fdou.mp3https://www.discogs.com/release/25625587-Ralph-Vaughan-Williams-The-New-Collectors-Edition (2022)
>>124456817It just occurred to me:>Blomstedt was 92 when he conducted this I hope Chailly can push out another 20 years
>>124460047klemperer had his performance of messiah remastered by art et sons in 2023https://files.catbox.moe/0v6bww.mp3 (and the glory)https://files.catbox.moe/g97r5s.mp3 (and He shall purify)
>>124459341and a good morning to you too saaaaaarrr>>124459710it’s not dead, they’re just taking advantage of domain downtime to do maintenance
>>124460326Oooh forgot about that one, I've had it in the backlog. Well now I've got three to choose from, rude, thanks a lot! I'm leaning toward the Richter but I'mma check out your samples here and see how this sounds.
>>124460326>>124460400Kinda sounds like a mix of the Colin Davis and Richter ones lol; the bright, lively tone of the former, and the weightiness and seriousness of the latter. I'm surprised to see the runtime clocks in at about the same time as the Davis, which is about 16 minutes shorter than the Richter; I would think Klemperer's tempo would be closer to Richter's. It does sound great though, thanks for reminding me of its existence. It's your preferred recording?
The Lord is here, the Son is born!
Raping is morally good.
>Each of the three movements of this sonata shares common motivic ideas or thematic materials from the principal motif of Brahms's two songs "Regenlied" and "Nachklang", Op. 59, and this is why this sonata is also called the "Rain Sonata" (Regensonate).[2]--- from the wiki page of Brahms' Violin Sonata No. 1, Op. 78This is news to me, wtf. I was listening to a recording from 2020 which had the piece (arranged for cello) and noticed included in the title was "Regen," which I swear is the first I've ever seen that. Well, guess there's always tidbits of knowledge of things we think we're familiar with that slip through the cracks until it appears out of nowhere and flummoxes us, like finding out you've had a kid and they're already ten years old.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PstEKQXszPg
>>124460383websters 1913 dictionary suggests that dead, adverb, means "to a degree resembling death[.]" death is thus defined as, noun, "the cessation of all vital phenomena without capability of resuscitation[.]" the latter word is defined as a means "to recover or restore from apparent death." having some tranny dev in the background claim that the website is being worked on is not an indication of potential life. if anything, it is the opposite of what you'd hope to hear with respect to a near death experience. it can be concluded then that redacted is indeed dead. my question remains unanswered.>>124460459i enjoy how audible the voices are on klemperer's recording. it is easy to hear what is being sung as opposed to ritcher which gets a little too loud imo. davis plays far too fast for me to ever consider. plus im infatuated with schwarzkopf. as for prefered recording, i wouldn't know. i ahven't listened to any other besides hip hogwood and klemperer.
Now playing Mozart.
>>124444556I'm opening a fast-food restaurant that only serves slop, what should the OST inside it be besides Schönberg?
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zfNZPsO7Yg
>>124460737https://youtu.be/2k6Z19ZjV2I?t=882
>>124460737Satie, Debussy.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49MWQ9SYFpI
>trying to develop an appreciation for classical music>listening to Vivaldi, Mozart, Beethoven, etc >anything vaguely popular has been used in advertisements, tv shows, movies, social media, etc by people looking to take advantage of these works being in the public domain>dislike pretty much every major work done by any renowned composer because I just automatically associate these masterpieces with low-budget dogshit shows and marketing campaignstaking recommendations of your favourite pieces that haven't yet been molested by corporations
>>124460902First off: Start with the Baroque period.Generally you need to understand the forms utilized in order to have any beyond surface-level appreciation, luckily I can at least spoonfeed you four common forms you can sink your teeth into quite easily and can get you into listening Baroque music like Bach, Vivaldi and Handel#1 RitornelloThis one is commonly found in Baroque concertos and is quite simple to follow: A melody is introduced in the beginning of the movement that keeps getting repeated, in-between each repetition you have the solo instruments playing a solo over the chord progression of the melody.Examples:https://youtu.be/lQLjP7x3Dughttps://youtu.be/ybwSoY5BuwYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfH3Gfkgzm8https://youtu.be/yHSstJusbWI2# Binary FormThe simplest one of the period, this has two sections: An A-section that repeats once, and then a B-section that repeats once (Note that the performer might also choose to not repeat the sections sometimes). That is it. It is quite simple but quite effective. You will be hearing this one a lot when listening to Baroque music. Most often found in suites (sometimes called Partitas), where all movements besides the prelude will be some type of binary form piece.Examples:Basically every movement in these pieces after their respective preludeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMkmQlfOJDkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmJpbCLZpk8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQLXRTl3Z0
>>124456790Any OST composer for anime and otaku media in general. These days I can't bother listening even to classical.
>>1244609183# The FugueOne of the most important of the period and one of the hardest forms to write, luckily it is not too difficult to listen to if you pay attention. The fugue has it's history in Gregorian chant, and therefore is written as if it were a vocal composition utilizing different "voices" which are slotted into each vocal voice range.A fugue begins with an exposition, this is the most important part for you to pay attention to: A single voice will introduce the subject (i.e main melody) of the fugue, this subject will then be repeated in another voice with the previous voice providing counterpoint (Different melodies that are meant to harmonize the main melody while also standing on their own). This repeats until every voice has played the melody once. After this, it is not too dissimilar from a ritornello (at least in the case of Bach), with the main melody returning in different voices. There will also often be counter-subjects present that also return, but this depends on the fugue.You will see the fugue almost everywhere in Baroque music (Note that most fugues are accompanied by a prelude, as noted in most titles. The prelude in the examples I give and 99% of the time is melodically disconnected from the fugue and mainly serves as a free form movement. Still, attention is warranted as they are as important as the fugue in terms of the overall expierence.)Examples:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbox4oi6HjAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfnkz1cFp8ghttps://youtu.be/BoXCHmLqh9k4# Theme and VariationsYou will find this one in almost all periods of classical music and therefore also the Baroque period. In it's early usage mainly used for church hymn melodies, it provides a main theme with a simple harmonization that then gets variations placed upon it based on that original theme.Examples:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF-2aJY6dpohttps://youtu.be/qnCqOKE9N4Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYfKWyeichEHappy listening, anon!
>>124460928Sad that a fellow mahofag has such mediocre taste. Personally I like the compositions of Hendrik Bouman, though getting them is quite a challenge. He uploads a few to youtube but most are on a CD that is now out of print and not enough people care about them to even get a heavily marked up copy secondhand.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K-8m8UrX0kEither way, I find his stuff very enjoyable. Lacks any pretention and is just fun baroque music composed by a HIPster for HIP instrumentation.
I masturbate whenever i listen to wagner, its like porn for me. Wagnerian music comes in handy when you have to masturbate in ecstasy, much better then watching/imagining porn directely.Wagner ruined ordinary porn for me.
>>124459710Use DD or it's successor to download from Qobuz.
>>124460737Wagner.
>>124456790>>124460928>>124460982all me btw
>>124460613>i enjoy how audible the voices are on klemperer's recording. it is easy to hear what is being sung as opposed to ritcher which gets a little too loud imo. davis plays far too fast for me to ever consider. plus im infatuated with schwarzkopf. as for prefered recording, i wouldn't know. i ahven't listened to any other besides hip hogwood and klemperer.I feel that. You should definitely give Richter's a try next time you listen to the work. Thanks for the shout on the recording.
>>124460737Vivaldi, Bach, Telemann
>>124461020what exactly is it that you feel in regard to my reply to your response?
>>124460982>anime OST>mediocrePick one and only one. Being an ironic weeb is dangerous for your health. Anime OST literally have the power to change lives, no contemporary composer ever came close.
now playingstart of Hindemith: Mathis der Maler Symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dUpHAUXFE&list=OLAK5uy_nCOeuj0LN625abgg1fR9-itueOpDwickY&index=1start of Hindemith: Nobilissima visione Suitehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnnf2ce1sU0&list=OLAK5uy_nCOeuj0LN625abgg1fR9-itueOpDwickY&index=5start of Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis of Themes by Carl Maria von Weberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlxDjtVsAQ&list=OLAK5uy_nCOeuj0LN625abgg1fR9-itueOpDwickY&index=7
>>124461000If you put Wagner in a restaurant then the customers would immediately descend into a bloody and sensual Dionysian orgy from the overstimulation. The most divine pleasures remain yet beyond the reach of Faustian man but that is his tragic condition and Wagner has taught us this.
>>124461043The clarity of the Klemperer recording and being a fan Schwarzkopf -- maybe not as much as you, but I've noticed a lot of other anons here on the completely opposite side of the spectrum with regards to their disposition toward her and her performances.
>We measured the predictability of tone sequences in music by Arnold Schoenberg and Anton Webern and found the successive pitches were less predictable than random tone sequences.>For listeners, this means that, every time you try to predict what happens next, you fail. The result is an overwhelming feeling of confusion, and the constant failures to anticipate what will happen next means that there is no pleasure from accurate prediction.”>Some of the things that were done by those composers such as Schoenberg undermined this cognitive aid for making music easier to understand and follow. Schoenberg’s music became fragmented which makes it harder for the brain to find structure.Atonal music is so unpleasant that it's played in Berlin train stations to scare off drug addicts.
>>124461078why couldn't you have stated that before? it was also unnecessary for you to have shared the viewpoint of that fat gay jew you love so much.
>>124461093>atonal "music"But enough about ChatGPT.
>>124461093>Atonal music is so unpleasant that it's played in Berlin train stations to scare off drug addicts.Wtf I love Schoenberg now!
God created atonality. It's in the Bible. It's how Joshua conquered the Canaanites. It was kept a secret by the Levites for millenia because it was the musical language of God, not meant for the ears of the unchosen, but it was prophesied that a Jewish Messiah would rise almost 3000 years later to bring back to humanity the language necessary to reestablish direct dialogue with God and make a final covenant with him, to which anyone who is able to understand the Word through holy Atonality, regardless of race or creed, is welcome.
>>124461111That's what "I feel that" means! And what?
>>124460737see: >>123932344
>>124461093If I visit Berlin next year,I bet I'll be spending lots of timedoing drugs in the train stations. :)
>>124461093Based Schoenberg scaring off degenerates.
>>124461173Isn't this *literally* a copy paste of Mahler?
>>124461093Also popular music can do this too.Well, not all that popular.My favorite death metal album of all time is Gorguts' Obscura.It's like jazz on crack.
>>124461185I don't think so. It has all the qualities the question is lookin for: it is slop personified, it's classical but modernized and EDM-ized, and it actually still sounds good in its own way.
>>124461163i wouldn't know. no one ever remarks in my general direction with that specific sentiment. moreover, the phrase i feel that sounds rather mainstream which indicates that you are an active subject participating in psychological operations that you yourself are unaware of. you would no doubt be the best of friends with anon who has an active subscription to a cellphone service >>124460637
>>124460383Head to your local psych ward insomniac.
>>124461236Nice talking to you too, anon.
>>124461044I believe that Japanese entertainment offers many great things, but music is not one of them. That doesn't make me an ironic weeb, just a realistic one. I like plenty of OSTs from Japanese media, but they're not music I will genuinely sit down and listen to intensively for the purpose of appreciation. It is rarely, if ever, the music that has a profound effect on people; moreso, the moments that they are associated with cause that. Taking from Maho's franchise, OPERATION SKULD would be a mediocre piece of electronic music if not for the fact that it is played during one of the most well-written climaxes in modern fiction. Regrettably, the music fails to match the cleverness and impact of the writing, which is disheartening given that I appreciated certain aspects of the soundtrack. I just wish that the motifs Abo used had a proper rhyme or reason instead of just feeling recycled (like hints of Gate of Steiner appearing in pieces like Cycle), as I do really love how he writes his melodies. There isn't really an OST in any media that I'd consider genuinely great music (not counting opera, in case someone wants to be semantic), besides maybe a few classic film soundtracks like King Kong.Either way, this is venturing off topic. Take this type of thing to >>>/mu/; we are in this general to discuss music made in the classical tradition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hby8DL7hUc
>>124461344>>124461044Oh yeah, there is actually one piece in the Steins;Gate OST I like as a genuinely great piece of music, come to think of ithttps://youtu.be/xPQgu3W1Ud4
>>124460737As much as I like them, the only correct answer is to play the entire body of Straussian waltzes on repeat. The ideas are so recycled it'll sugar you into diabetes after a while.
>>124461270>thanks for reminding me of its existence>thanks for the shout on the recording>nice talking to you too, anon>i feel thatthese responses are what i had received from the interaction between you and i. notice how i haven't been given anything to be thankful for, let alone an indication of some pattern that would lead me to believe that you are someone who deserves my respect. on the contrary, your constant appreciative, as well as dismissive, tones have gifted me a vivid illustration of the type of person you are. it is so unlike that of someone who is appreciative of another's input, who means what they state, and who feeeeeeeels that.
>>124461418Actually, everyone on the internet deserves your respect.To think otherwise, means you probably have a lot of trouble respecting yourself.It's ok to be thanked by a stranger.Not every expression of warmth on the internet is sarcasm.Preemptively closing yourself off from that warmth, with such sarcasm, will be a way you remain cold all your life.
>>124444569I don't care about orchestra and thats a lot of classicalI don't know how to find good non orchestra composers.
>>124461454Nah he's in the right. Its disingenuous
>>124461418Okay... well, thanks again for reminding me about the Klemperer recording, and giving me your thoughts on it in comparison to the other two I named above :)
>maho-kun is replying to himself
>>124461344eh... OST don't truly exist outside of the context of the work and judging them by the same metric as classical is futile (even classical itself does not work in a contextless way). Sure, they could be "technically" greater but we can't say if that would actually serve the goal of making the show more soulful. Otaku music, much like the art and storytelling often works on its own internal rules and takes whatever it wishes from the outside world but is never subservient to it. By irony weebs I mean those who don't see or don't want to admit the true value and superiority of all of the aspects of otaku art and denigrate it to seem more sophisticated/amicable to the pleb outside world, a realistic weeb would precisely be the one who can see the qualities of the music clearly.And by OST I also mean the songs, the lyrics are often where the deepest meanings of a work can be uncovered but they can't really be fully appreciated without knowing Japanese.
>>124461493?I was genuinely saying thanks, because I had forgotten that recording exists. What is wrong with some of you people lol, can't handle any sort of sincerity and kindness, it's baffling.
>>124461044>>124461520>>124461344Stop samefagging schizo
>>124461493It might be.But I am worried that he isn't always in the right.And that he wouldn't know when he isn't.
>>124461522Thanks for clarifying.So:it wasn't disingenuous!He was in the wrong.We should start getting better at taking sentiments at face value on the internet.We don't have the best idea of who's being disingenuous and who's not.Not until we take the time to clarify with each other.
>>124461259and a good morning to you too saaaaaarrr>>124461506schizophrenia is to be expected from an AGP tranime avatarfaggot
let's try<-----start of JS Bach: Partita no. 4 in D Major, BWV 828https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xCces9yQEM&list=OLAK5uy_k4KwjXrn4wqgh-GqXNOF4W2fNxoemW2xA&index=1>Anyone who thinks Glenn Gould's riveting, ascetic approach changed Bach piano playing forever should listen to this disc. Richard Goode is too fine a musician to blur Bach's textures or to mess up the music with romantic tempo fluctuations. But he does play Bach as piano music, with plenty of dynamic gradations and a predominantly lyrical approach. His tempo for the Allemande of the Fourth Partita is daringly slow, although he can toss off a gigue like the wind, if he likes. While this is not the most stylish Bach playing by contemporary standards, every movement is strongly characterized and every note carefully considered. Call Goode a throwback, if you like, but even if you have second thoughts about his playing, it's completely convincing while you're listening. --Leslie Gerberit's surprisingly hard to find recordings of Bach's Keyboard Partitas of high reputation and praise beyond the same four or five first names that show up on Amazon when searching -- beyond that, it's a crapshoot. Seems to be the case with a lot of piano recordings. Anyway, finally came across this one. Might try Levit's again too. As usual, always open to recommendations!
Migrate!>>124461630>>124461630>>124461630>>124461630
>>124461643i hope this thread dies for having been created too early and for containing a neurotic jew who likes to larp as a composer.
>>124461192Not classical though
>>124461653He raped you.
>>124461654Don't know as much about classical.Definitely not Beethoven lol.That shit sounds too good!:)
>>124461653it was created right on the mark
>>124461692threads are exiled at 311, not 310
>>124461543>>124461506>>124461589It's not like he's the only one with a legal right to use images of that anime girl
>>124461653>Muh early threadWho gives a shit, thread slows to crawl once bump limit is reached, all the better to just do it instantly
>>124461653cringe
