Large Bird EditionThis thread is for the discussion of classical music in the western tradition. Early Music, Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic and Modern all welcome.Large Birdhttps://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k7wQktHBs0JOj4j5JjlXcTu_1NMR52hUU>How do I get into classical?This outdated link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious>>124724901
>>124738309Bird Mask Replica
>>124738309Is that an opera?
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Quartet No. 1 in G Minor, K. 478https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3O4cpO27yk&list=OLAK5uy_nHHzs8jHorz90pZRF1Yr_WQ6TeHa-GtzM&index=2start of Mozart: Piano Quartet No. 2 in E-Flat Major, K. 493https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxRL7WmCyTs&list=OLAK5uy_nHHzs8jHorz90pZRF1Yr_WQ6TeHa-GtzM&index=4
>>124738309Christian EGGen should be top of the bill
>>124738403Its incredible the amount and quality of the musical output for a guy that died before 40. We are so blessed to have his works. Love his piano.
>>124738430Mozart's father was correct in believing his son to be a miracle sent from God.
>>124738403Damn literally every Mozart piece sounds the same, what a con artist
>>124738488>t. Salieri
>>124738421Kek
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EwpCl4GLZU
>>124738608After a careful and attentive listening I can conclude that this is, in fact, Chopin
>>124738309now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4gbtUAVHOM
>>124738802advanced voice leading errors chart
>>124738829I bet you also think Mozart fifths are voice leading errors.
>>124738840mozart fifths aren’t a voice leading error. double leading tones are though.
>>124738845Strauss had no problem with using Nordic 6ths in Till Eulenspiegel. You have a skill issue.
>>124738867then post them with their cadential resolution.
>>124738932https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zbCfP9wGt4&t=67
>>124738941post screenshots of the actual score, dummy.
just another day of beet's violin concerto being the best of its kind
>>124738995sure, after you stop shifting the goal posts.
>>124739233i don’t see a “norweigian sixth” anywhere. the point of the augmented sixth is that it functions as a predominant; if it’s not a predominant, it’s not an aug sixth chord.
Is this like Fantasy Sports but with partitures?
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdQabx9pAHE
>>124739357that’s basically what inventing madeup chords with faulty voice leading function amounts to, yeah
>>124739273the leading tone problem can be solved by using five parts or subsequently treating the dominant chord as a sub-dominant. furthermore, the use of these exotic augmented 6th chords is sometimes necessary when imitating the harmonic styles of late romantic composers.https://vocaroo.com/14xgqmwVJjVW
>>124739488>the leading tone problem can be solved by using five parts how?>or subsequently treating the dominant chord as a sub-dominantthen it’s not an aug 6th chord anymore. >the use of these exotic augmented 6th chords is sometimes necessary when imitating the harmonic styles of late romantic composers.not when said chords obviously do not function as aug 6th chords.
>>124739555https://vocaroo.com/1f6N5yn2BK54if you are given a progression from one set of tones to another and asked to determine the voice leading it is sometimes better to solve the problem in five-parts and then reduce it down to four (In five parts the third is doubled.). Schoenberg used the same method in his theory of harmony when determining the voice leading for ninth chords since their full forms contain five tones. >then it’s not an aug 6th chord anymore.it still is since Ab in the progression Ab - G - A for example functions as a sub-dominant. The G after it functions as a parallel minor dominant. when A is introduced the function of G is changed to a sub-dominant in relation to A which functions as a dominant.
>>124739907incorrect resolving a leading tone does not change the fact that there’s a doubled leading tone, it just means that you incorrectly resolved a leading tone which is a voice leading error in and of itself. >in the progression Ab - G - A for example functions as a sub-dominantleading tones still have to be resolved correctly in deceptive cadences. furthermore, if the only use for a given aug 6th chord is in deceptive cadences, does it really function as a true predominant? >when A is introduced the function of G is changed to a sub-dominant in relation to Athen it’s no longer a dominant, meaning that the aug 6th chord is not a predominant and therefore not an aug 6th chord. there is literally no scenario where this chord can be resolved correctly without parallel octaves or without avoiding the tonic entirely which defeats the purpose of the pd-d relationship in the first place.
>>124740010>Strauss is wrong and I am right.
>>124740115strauss didn’t claim it was an aug 6th chord. it’s literally just a half diminished chord resolving to the subdominant.
>>124740176it still deserves a name.
>>124740190yeah, it’s called a half diminished chord. look it up sometime.
>>124740199fuck you. by that reasoning German sixths should only be called AbV7 chords.
Stash or trash?
>>124740229correct, german sixths are fundamentally just dominant 7th chords, which is why they’re such useful tools for modulation to distant keys. what makes them noteworthy is their harmonic and voice leading function, which is also what defines aug 6th chords. >>124740281i used to be in love with this cycle, but i’ve gotten tired of szell’s dragging tempi. i really only like the 7th from it now.
>>124740310I define augmented sixth chords as "dominants or Neapolitans of the chord following it in which a minor seventh (augmented sixth) moves outwards into an octave which can be the doubled root or third". The chord following an augmented 6th can go anywhere else. In Reger's music any chord can follow any other chord.
>>124740418your definition is wrong and involves a very fundamental voice leading error that you haven’t given a proper solution to because none exists. and no, i don’t give a shit about what you think reger did.
>>124740463what Reger did was based and when doubled thirds do occur in his music they are the product of motives in counterpoint.
>>124740547doubling the leading tone is bad voice leading, contrapuntally derived or otherwise. you legitimately suffer from trying to break the rules without even knowing them.
>>124740573The rules are my humble servants.
>>124740601you don’t even know about something as basic as not doubling the leading tone. stop trying to self-teach yourself theory, you are not schoenberg and you obviously need a teacher.
>>124740612>t.
>>124740641not quite the right board for selfies my autistic friend.
>>124740658your inability to understand that the leading tone problem is solved by using five parts or a modulation exposes you as the moron that you are. cry about and ban me. I don't give a fuck.
Yuja Wang. Putting the ASS in classical.
>>124740694>is solved by using five partsyour five part “solution” literally involved the leading tone in the top voice moving to the 5th scale degree LOL; you didn’t solve anything by adding an unnecessary fifth voice, you just committed an extremely elementary voice leading error. >or a modulationexcept the example in the strauss you gave wasn’t even a modulation to begin with, nothing about the excerpt established F major as the dominant in lieu of the much more obvious explanation of a half diminished chord resolving to the subdominant. furthermore, being forced to modulate by default fundamentally means that it no longer functions as a predominant chord when it literally leads to a nonfunctional dominant. >I don't give a fuck.you clearly do or you wouldn’t be whining so hard LOL, just take the L and go cough up the dough for actual music theory lessons and not whatever the fuck bullshit you’re teaching yourself.
Detox from early music. Going with picrel.
For me, it's Terry Riley - In C.
>>124741117Closing the day with Sibelius
>>124740310>i used to be in love with this cycle,Gay
>>124741831closing the day with Rhys Chatham
What are the best lieder from the 18th century? I've only listened to Adelaide but it was fantastic.>For E.T.A Hoffmann, no slouch when it came to approaching a musical work for what it is rather that what it is not, the 18th-century Lied was of value because it stirred 'the innermost soul by means of the simplest melody and the simplest modulation, without affectation or straining for effect and originality: therein lies the mysterious power of true genius.'
>>124738440except for how God isn't real
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSVHy19jcucGreat sound, fantastic job by Alan Reeve. One of my favorite recordings in terms of sound alone.
>>124744005Take your fedoratipping somewhere else, this is a general for people of Abrahamic religions to argue who has the best music.
>>124744077What about Japanese Shintoists?
>>124744077>AbrahamicTake your jewish cult out of /mu/. This is pagan, european general.
>>124744005It's called a metaphor, dingus.
>>124744200>Pagan Cringe fake religion, mostly practiced by leftists late Victorian at oldest in origin. Europe’s true religion and culture is Christianity
>>124744200Wagner didn't worship the Gods that he wrote operas about, sister
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, Op. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KS7RW21H94&list=OLAK5uy_nrtbbcpLIpT3R1u4eEUNMwHNvbnLVD4uE&index=2start of Shostakovich: King Lear, Incidental Music, Op. 58ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHHV6GkbcWQ&list=OLAK5uy_nrtbbcpLIpT3R1u4eEUNMwHNvbnLVD4uE&index=5Shostakovich: Festive Overture, Op. 96https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysq_kOB8gps&list=OLAK5uy_nrtbbcpLIpT3R1u4eEUNMwHNvbnLVD4uE&index=16start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 7 in C Major, Op. 60 "Leningrad"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Oa7C-71PX4&list=OLAK5uy_nrtbbcpLIpT3R1u4eEUNMwHNvbnLVD4uE&index=16>After the "scandalously successful" (Sunday Times) Symphony No. 10 in 2015, "the sheer expressive beauty" (Gramophone Magazine) of Symphonies Nos. 5, 8, 9 from 2016, and the "overbearing vividness" (The Guardian) of the most recent Symphonies Nos. 4 & 11, Nelsons and the BSO continue the Grammy-winning cycle with Symphonies Nos. 6 & 7. The symphonies are complemented by two other works by Shostakovich, the Suite from the Incidental Music to King Lear, Op. 58a and the Festive Overture, Op. 96.
>>124744301Wagner went through many beliefs before settling on some form of Pietism later in life.
>>124744134Japanese Shitpostists?
>>124744468Nelsons' Shostakovich sounds very Karajan-esque. I wonder if his other recordings have this sound approach and sound.
>>124744548Japanese believed in little girl fox gods who become your wife-mother and cook and clean your house, source: The Helpful Fox Senko-Sanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayUWZItFw1k
>>124744594>videoName their band
>>124744077fuck off. Normal people are deist classic liberals.
>>124744618Normal people are not anything, they simply integrate into whatever is the most common thing. Not understanding that is pure autism.
>>124744630you are literally autistic and unemployed. shut the fuck up.
Wagner: "I composed a 15-hour opera!"Stockhausen: "That's cute."
>>124744648I am not either, sounds like projection.
>>124744678sounds like you're in denial.
>>124744594Is that the fox brides?
>>124744648>moves the goalposts
now playingstart of Grieg: Cello Sonata in A Minor, Op. 36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8VOfBRzg5c&list=OLAK5uy_nzS3MgcaVd8bgMBRDvqmHCxqqiMVRCdYw&index=2start of Hough: Sonata for Cello and Piano Left Hand "Les adieux"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V6rD4trMt8&list=OLAK5uy_nzS3MgcaVd8bgMBRDvqmHCxqqiMVRCdYw&index=5start of Mendelssohn: Cello Sonata No. 2 in D Major, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxI4gzPDO6U&list=OLAK5uy_nzS3MgcaVd8bgMBRDvqmHCxqqiMVRCdYw&index=7>Grieg's sole Cello Sonata has long been a favorite of performers and audiences and here it receives an impassioned performance from Steven Isserlis and Stephen Hough. This program also includes Hough's own Sonata for cello and piano left hand and Mendelssohn's ever popular Cello Sonata No.2. A spirit of passionate romanticism unifies all three works.Grieg's Cello Sonata is certainly one of the greatest ever written.
>*casually mogs all western composers*
>>124744828by what metric? being unable to use a toilet?
>>124744828>>124738309>classical music in the western tradition
feels like a Missa Solemnis dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBPoynhTGB4&list=OLAK5uy_nalh1IpO-XcPlXu-Ng6AB-97hIdtJAGy0&index=1
It’s time to reject Jewish composers and influence in music. No more:Mendelssohn MahlerGlassReich MeyerbeerWagner Feldman Schoenberg Ligeti Or Gershwin
this website used to be funny
>>124744077no. I will not rest while anyone alive still believes in nonsense.
>>124745498Guess you won’t be resting then
Slow day at work and lots of albums in the backlog. Lets start with>Spanish Medieval DancesStrong arab sounds
>>124745498Listen, I know that you still are upset at your mom taking you to church service on sundays. But instead of being a bitter cunt about it, work to make churches play kino pieces like the Masses of Beethoven, Bach and Bruckner every sunday so the next generation of children will be exposed to kino.
>>124745602>Bruckner massBased. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JHGm6O-CfY
>>124745610If only Wagner composed a mass, imagine the kino. It'd be 5 hours for the Kyrie alone
>>124745598Paniagua has a great cycle of Cantigas: Burgos, Castilla, Catalunya, Toledo, Valencia, Mar Cantábrico.So much music, so little time.
>>124745598>Spanish Medieval DancesGot any recommendations of dances of the Holy Roman Empire in medieval times?
is there a notation software that isn't fucking dogshit? i just tried out musescore and it's actually infuriating, you can't change bpm by clicking on the top right tempo display, you can't move a note by clicking on it and dragging it, when you want to click on a note already present it """"smartly"""" places a semitone up or down on it in addition to what you wanted to edit... itsnactiall insane how bad this is, how is it that a tabulature software like guitar pro has more intuitive note staff editing than this? it took me 20 minutes to lay down like 10 bars of monophonic cello.
>>124745643Write it down on paper you retard. None of the great composers wrote their pieces down on a computer
>>124745634>medieval timesBest I can do is 1500
>>124745695>All the woman naked
Metronometards still have been silent at the question of:>Why, if Beethoven's metronome markings are infallible, did Liszt's performance of the Hammerklavier sonata take 1 hour despite the metronome marking (provided by Beethoven himself) indicating a length of around 32-38 minutes? Liszt was a direct pupil of Beethoven so this must have been in line with how Beethoven taught him.The argument of "Liszt couldn't play it" is retarded, modern pianists are not more skilled than Liszt was.
I will use the Scala season to get into opera. Where can I get La Forza del Destino with subtitles? Only YT? Dont mind using archive dot org, or friendly torrents.Who with me?
>>124745695What in the heck is happening there?
How hard is it to learn Liszt's Beethoven transcriptions? Were they commonly played in his time?
>>124745727Maybe Liszt didn’t feel like following the metronome markings that night?
>>124745745Just an innocent funny time anon.
>>124745781But then he is according to the metronometards not following a very important part of the score and his performance due to that is objectively shit. Why would such a notable performer and composer decide to do a objectively shit performance? If the metronome markings are such a important part of the score that have to be followed by every performer worth their salt, why did the direct pupil of Beethoven not follow them?
>>124745792He wasn’t feeling it that night he felt like kicking it back and taking it easy.
>>124744261>Christianity Not classical. Try >>>/b/ instead.>>124744301Brainlet detected. Wagner was an atheist, paganism is the only European 'religion', and Wagner was also a pagan. (Both, correct).
>>124745828>Sisterjanny falseflagging to make wagnerians look retardedevery time
Stop arguing about metrosexonomes
>>124745834>unmedicated schizo being the most retarded fuck ITTEvery time.
>>124745852Just speaking facts where I see them, ban evading janny
>>124745843Until metronometards see where they're wrong
>>124745745A group of bathing beautiful women is always cause for celebration.
>>124745855Take that cock our of your mouth before speaking
now playing, an orchestral Wagner morningstart of Wagner: Parsifal, WWV 111 (Arr. for Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkbls3xVVHY&list=OLAK5uy_k3-sjnCV2weRriI96SaAPl3jiGF0Fb1aA&index=1>Neeme Jarvi conducts the Royal Scottish National Orchestra in the second of four albums featuring the bold arrangements of Wagner by Henk de Vlieger. Of the first album, Classic FM magazine wrote 'Dutch composer Henk de Vlieger builds a penetrating symphonic poem that reflects the dramatic depths of The Ring.'>In Parsifal, an orchestral quest, commissioned by the Netherland Radio Philharmonic Orchestra and dedicated to the musicians of this orchestra, Henk de Vlieger has compiled the musical and emotional highlights of Wagner's opera, and whenever necessary he has stitched these into a new context. Thus De Vlieger retells the story of Parsifal with Wagner's music.Wagner for people who are not fans of opera!
>>124745834It’s either the granny janny falseflagging or someone imitating them for unknown reasons
>>124745896> Wagner for people who are not fans of opera! I don’t really but at that point- why bother? It’s like Italian food for people who don’t like pasta just go elsewhere
>>124745931Because the orchestral parts are still very good and worth listening to, just like his many preludes and overtures.
>>124744301Richard Wagner is music for the elite and you do not understand it. None of you grasp the true essence of Wagnerian drama. You ridiculous little dilettantes. Our worldview is based on the philosophical ideals of Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Wotanic Hitlerism. On a personal level artistic individualism, on a collective level Hitleric Fascism. Without an understanding of the theoretical underpinnings, it is useless to dream of appreciating the Wagnerian worldview. None of you can understand the profundity of Wagnerian thought, for you are all intellectually shallow. You cannot reach the elite level of Wagnerian art, so why even dream about it. Wagnerian music and its philosophy are for the elite. For true connoisseurs.
>>124745602there should be no curches period
Wagner drove you all insane.
>>124745727>modern pianists are not more skilled than Liszt was.you literally, factually, objectively and undeniably cannot know that, because you have not heard Liszt play for even 0.000001 second of your life.
>>124745987>curch>[ kurch ]>noun>a simple, close-fitting cap worn by women in colonial America.>a kerchief worn by Scottish women.What does bro have against curches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM7ST1KNHA8I think I can feel what Ludwig The Second felt during his coronation. Being surrounded by warlike barbarians, sycophants, cunning and shallow women that he desperately tried to avoid. His inner Aryan spirit was too pure for this disgusting and wretched world. Those filthy dirty inferior humans were trying to pollute his purity, I still believe he would have killed himself if not for the Bard of Bacchus,"Wagner". It was Wagner who provided Ludwig with the stairs to Elysium, eternal bliss and salvation, an escape from this vulgar entrapment of Maya.
>>124746013They're scottish, that's enough of a reason to be against them
>>124745966Gee I don’t know if you want to be worshipping Hitler anon have you heard of his war crimes. Sounds like you got suckered in by his magnetic blue eyes and his pied piper esque charm like so many unfortunate Germans were……dancing his merry pipers dance on the devil’s way to wrack and ruin
>>124746024>>124746007are you trying to see just how unfunny and ignored you can be, is that your thing?
>>124746024> His inner AryanHe was Indian?!
>>124746024I will always love Wagner.
>>124746009We have anecdotes, retard
>>124746036You’re thinking of the sisterposter
>>124746024This is hilarious
Last album left me in a good mood. Will stay in the Iberian Peninsula with>Music of the Spanish Renaissence
time to try another unfamiliar set of Bach's Cello Suites, and searching and sort on Amazon via the order of the results and choosing the first one that's both unfamiliar and looks interesting, we come across Alisa Weilerstein.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2JtBOIZc2c&list=OLAK5uy_kM_ZxEAoco4I844xNlSvDl4nNYR_q0hbU&index=1from one community reviewer:>Alisa Weilerstein’s interpretation of the Bach Cello Suites is for me nothing short of transformational. I'm an amateur cellist and have CDs of all the major cellists playing the suites – three by Yo-Yo Ma, two by Janos Starker, two by Pieter Wispelwey, and versions by Pablo Casals, Pierre Fournier, Paul Tortelier, Jacqueline Du Pre, Maurice Gendron, Lynn Harrell, Mischa Maisky, Anner Bylsma, Jaap Ter Linden, Yuli Turovsky, Ralph Kirshbaum, Antonio Meneses, Truls Mork, Maria Kliegel, Mstislav Rostropovich, Steven Isserlis, Daniel Muller-Schott, Jean-Guihen Queyras, Zuill Bailey, Matt Haimovitz, and others – and Weilerstein’s is now my desert island choice.I'm sold.
>>124746024Haha, comedy in /classical/ you guys are insane but funny from the distance. Keep it coming.
>>124746024Well said.
>>124746139>Said to himself
>>124746146Very well said.
just deleted ludwig 1973 from my hard drive for obvious reasons
>>124746164
>>124746164Lack of hd space? Not flac?
>>124746024wagner sucks lol
>>124746164The film? Never heard of it.
>>124746184Wagner lives in your head. Your alarm is made up of the loudest Wagnerian baritone Gottlob Frick. You hum like Wagnerian sopranos in your showers and bathtimes. You have started sexually exploring yourself completely and without limits. Your dreams are filled with you taking swanboat rides.WAGNER HAS INVADED YOU. HE HAS RAPED YOUR MIND.
What are some wagner operas that actually have arias in them?
To be fair you need to be very high caste to understand Wagner
>>124745896Raped into listening to Wagner.W.
> I was skeptical going in, having been distracted by her extravagant in-person body motion. But this great music is to be heard, not seen. It is uniquely gorgeous and gripping, technically brilliant and well-recorded. The preludes, allemandes, and sarabandes are especially moving, and most of the rest is joyous. Her phrasing and use of rubato do with these suites what Murray Perahia and Simone Dinnerstein do with Bach's Goldberg Variations for keyboard. Her work here moved me to tears on first hearing, and continues to engage me on subsequent hearings. I look forward to enjoying it again and again for years to come.remember to avoid anyone who uses the phrase "desert island."
>>124746244lmaoWhat's the issue?
>>124746250the issue is that brian forst is a raging homosexual and in that respect no different than ludwig the second
>>124746057and?
>>124746260kek wtfI thought it was a nice review. Man knows what he's talking about and manages to adequately express in detail both the recording's positive elements and his immense enjoyment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYERpoxJt5gNo wagner opera has a musical moment this effective
>>124746282and what pray tell is the similarity between alisa weilerstein, murray perahia, and simone dinnerstein?
>>124746324Hey, he's not a professional critic. It successfully got me interested in trying it. As for that, it has something to do with "her phrasing and use of rubato" -- how exactly, I suppose we'll have to listen to it to find out!
>>124746324They were all from New York
>>124746312Bombastic nonsense and awful vocal writing. Wrong highlight.
>>124746324Probably just means she's as good, that she elevates them to the same heights.
>>124746312Literally ANY of Wagner's late operas is better.
now playingstart of Mendelssohn: Lieder ohne Wortehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9DECFy-ZrE&list=OLAK5uy_m2-f7JZZnKmSr-sQN3N6F5kCmGTJGnvfs&index=1I don't usually go for Barenboim's solo piano recordings but there don't seem to be many in general of these pieces, much less any that are complete, acclaimed, and performed by a pianist I recognize, so this one it is. Sounds good so far, and others appear to love it. Perfect for the mood I'm wanting.
>>124746556and what pray tell is the similarity between mendelssohn and barrenboim?
>>124746587Oh you...Similar structure in last names? Mendel-ssohnBaren-boimNice lil' parallel there!
>>124746587They’re both Berlin based pianists
Are you a Stein, Sohn, or Boim?
If you cannot sing exposition & recapitulation, you do not understand the piece. If it's too complex to memorize, it's bad music.If it's not singeable at all, it's probably not good music.
>>124746694True
Keep dancing, now with music from 1612
>>124746694incorrect
>>124746694Perhaps
>>124746409>>124746527>This renowned masterpiece is actually le BADDo the world a favor and kys
>>124746128For the record, this is brilliant. Highly recommended, one of my new favorites, easily. A lot of modern, 21st-century recordings are too fast for my taste. This, on the other hand, is just right.
>>124746409Being mindlessly contrarian doesn't make you at all interesting.
>>124746694Well said.>>124746934got 'em
Is there any historical German translation of Figaro and Don Giovanni?
>>12474709718th century german language?
>>124747124ye
Mozart really wasn't that great. His music is full of cliches that make me cringe when I hear them because they're so predictable.>descending or ascending line passing through 5, #4, 4, 3, etc>appoggiatura of #1 going to 2>or #2 going to 3>announcing a half cadence/modulation/end of a section with 3 beats starting on a note, going up an octave, then down 2 octaves>occasionally 1 or 2 bars of parallel minor mode mixture>scales, scales everywhere>inserting random turns or trills because -*~decorations~*->alberti bassYawn. Now Bach, that's a real composer.
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>>124747216He is the greatest composer of the classical period>The most tremendous genius raised Mozart above all masters, in all centuries and in all the arts. A light, bright, fine day this will remain throughout my whole life. As from afar, the magic notes of Mozart's music still gently haunts me. He is the highest, the culminating point that beauty has attained in the sphere of music as for one moment in the history of music all opposites were reconciled; all tensions resolved; that luminous moment was Mozart.>Mozart creates music from a mysterious center, and so knows the limits to the right and the left, above and below. He maintains moderation. It always sounds unburdened, effortless, and light. This is why it unburdens, releases, and liberates us. He never abandons himself to any one sense; even at his most ecstatic moments his mind is vigorous, alert, and on the wing. He dives unerringly on to his finest ideas like a bird of prey, and once an idea is seized he soars off again with an undiminished power. It does not give the listener time to catch his breath, for no sooner is one inclined to reflect upon a beautiful inspiration than another appears, even more splendid, which drives away the first, and this continues on and on, so that in the end one is unable to retain any of these beauties in the memory. It is particularly difficult to perform.
>>124747470>His admirable clarity exacts absolute cleanness: the slightest mistake in it stands out like black on white. It is music in which all the notes must be heard. Free of all exaggeration, of all sharp breaks and contradictions. The sun shines but does not blind, does not burn or consume. Heaven arches over the earth, but it does not weigh it down, it does not crush or devour it. Easy to read, but very difficult to interpret. The least speck of dust spoils them. They are clear, transparent, and joyful as a spring, and not only those muddy pools which seem deep only because the bottom cannot be seen. His simplicity is merely purity. It is a crystalline thing in which all the emotions play a role, but as if already celestially transposed. Moderation consists in feeling emotions as the angels do.>Mozart makes you believe in God because it cannot be by chance that such a phenomenon arrives into this world and leaves such an unbounded number of unparalleled masterpieces. It represents neither the prolonged sigh of faith that characterizes so much of the music written before his time, nor the stormy idealism which cloaks most music after him. Rather he is that mercurial balance of the skeptic and the humane. Like him, and in him, we can always discover new worlds.- Maho Hiyajo
>>124747216A lot of his music does seem to use the same techniques over and over again
Perlman! Giulini!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFP1eqOviqk&list=OLAK5uy_kOGXRNBvHpyO4JMdnph5G42E0hP5sLWes&index=1
One more before the break>El Cançoner del Duc de CalabriaThe compilation (original from 1556) was discovered in 1907 in Sweden by Rafael Mitjana. The album has only 17 pieces from a total of 70.
>>124746312You posted his worst symphony, though.
>>124747470>>124747487Damn she's smart!
>>124747704Forgot pic
>>124747715Tediously contrarian take
>>124746312>muh 9th symphony Sounds like a cat scratching its nail on board or a child urinated on a blank canvas.Meanwhile Wagner -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqk4bcnBqlsW.
>>124747767kek
>>124747767Why is he wearing pajamas?
>>124747470Only if we assume Beethoven was romantic, and even then, at certain point comparing composers as great as Haydn and Mozart is becomes utterly meaningless brainlettery.
>>124747782It must have been one of you fucking retards, employing bots to flag the video like a bunch of butthurt woke feminists.Or the creator himself decided to remove the video because of censorship and demonetization, which is again "your" fault.There was only one area where young men could escape their depression, the internet. And now you are destroying even that.
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>>124747767>>124747715>9th badlow IQ contrarian take
>>124744828thank you saaaar
>>124745727about as intelligent of a question as “if beethoven’s metronome markings are so good why didn’t wagner take them?”it’s almost like liszt was a wagnerian, and wagnerians have a certain reputation for disregarding metronome markings in beethoven.
>>124748245Good post trannyjanny
>>124748272An interesting point TJ- something for us to ponder on
>>124748279>>124748293it looks like you’ve been chomping at the bit for me to post today, obsessed schizo. is everything alright?
How to win a Chopin competitionStep 1: be an AsianStep 2: make constipated faces when playing slowStep 3: do useless vibratos on the pianoStep 4: ??Step 5: profit.
>>124747846cute!>>124748540That's why I avoid solo recordings by Asian pianists.
>>124748540vibrato? on the piano???
>>124748613It was during an earthquake
>>124748272Liszt was a beethovian, he was taught by Beethoven himself.
>>124748799>he was taught by Beethoven himself.factually wrong, but sure, whatever you need to tell yourself
>>124748811>Liszt, incidentally, was a student of Carl Czerny (1791-1857), who in turn was a student of Ludwig Van Beethoven (1770-1827)Would Czerny have taught Liszt to play Beethoven wrong?
>>124748833so he wasn’t taught by beethoven himself, i’m glad you agree.also, even if he were truly taught by beethoven himself, none of this takes into account the fact that liszt was liszt and not beethoven, and had his own interpretation of the hammerklavier that was in no way beholden to beethoven nor czerny. by this logic, we should be asking why the transcendental etudes don’t sound like czerny’s etudes either.
>>124748854So metronome markings are not important and interpretation is more important than adhering to numbers, got it.
>>124748877maybe to liszt, but i’m not liszt, so why would i care?
>>124748854>by this logic, we should be asking why the transcendental etudes don’t sound like czerny’s etudes either.Because Liszt wrote those, they were separate pieces from Czerny's works whereas the Hammerklavier was a Beethoven piece that Liszt played
>>124748892Every important performer prioritize interpretation over following metronome markings. I.E metronome markings dont matter.
>>124748967maybe try posting in english instead next time, ranjeet.
What are some good re-orchestrations of Chopin's piano concertos that you're aware of?
>>124749094a friend of mine swears by zimerman's recordings of them and that recording alone.
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKl5Pej9l1k
>>124749094Cortothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQgso74jvG4
>>124749182His Ballades being the gold-standard, it didn't really occur to me that his concertos would be great as well, for some reason. Thanks for that.>>124749243Danke.
not quite sure what this is but it's Mutter and Levine, so now playingstart of Sarasate: Zigeunerweisen, Op. 20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaju2A4VNq8&list=OLAK5uy_kM_GqKnd5Z1wyA54jMVEl-pwz8nAmi_Rc&index=2Wieniawski: Legende, Op. 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVvFVjwCLhU&list=OLAK5uy_kM_GqKnd5Z1wyA54jMVEl-pwz8nAmi_Rc&index=6start of Tartini: Violin Sonata in G Minor, B.g5 "The Devil's Trill" (Arr. Zandonai for Violin and Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD06O5DpljY&list=OLAK5uy_kM_GqKnd5Z1wyA54jMVEl-pwz8nAmi_Rc&index=7Ravel: Tzigane, M.76https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Daphnf78I&list=OLAK5uy_kM_GqKnd5Z1wyA54jMVEl-pwz8nAmi_Rc&index=1Massenet: Thaïs / Acte Deux: Meditationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVSVfZcoM0c&list=OLAK5uy_kM_GqKnd5Z1wyA54jMVEl-pwz8nAmi_Rc&index=1start of Sarasate: Carmen Fantasy, Op. 25https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZRHn71aLzk&list=OLAK5uy_kM_GqKnd5Z1wyA54jMVEl-pwz8nAmi_Rc&index=1Bunch of pieces and composers I don't recognize. Should be good! I just love Mutter's playing lately, passionately and sharply lyrical.
>>124749569is this the same reason you guys resort to screaming at old people when they redeem the google play gift card?
>>124745621We already have the Grail scene in Parsifal.
>>124749645find on the grail
>>124746222Rienzi, Hollander, Tannhauser, Lohengrin and Meistersinger.
>>1247462221 hour gurnemanz aria
Now French Chansons by Josquin and friends. My wife is already tired of Early Music so I concede and switch temporarily to headphones.
>>124738309how do I write quadruple counterpoint?
>>124749813step 1: do nothing but species counterpoint exercises for a whole year.
>>124749912step 2?
>>124749925worry about step 1 first
>>124747723That is why she is my wife
>>124750061your "wife" isn't real, delusional loser
>>124748922>Every important performer prioritize interpretation over following metronome markingstru->I.E metronome markings dont matterlmaothis is such a retardedly binary conclusion to make I have to assume you are just autistic, lest I assume you're actually braindead
>>124750615he’s indian, they’re practically a race of autistics
>>124747782what even was the video?
>>124750572Maho is real! She is sitting on my.lap right now, silly.
>>124750615If every performer that matters gives 0 shits about the metronome marking, why should I?
>>124751063you're indian, no one gives a shit about what you care about.
>>124751129Im not even the guy you're arguing with you autistic faggot
>>124750628Lohengrin prelude
>>124751140but you sure are one stinky ass indian. P U!
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBUmA6Hqto
Favorite recording(s) for Chopin's Etudes? Listening to this one right now. Have had good experience with Ohlsson before, namely his Scriabin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrs2l2Zeq7g&list=OLAK5uy_k8TQEEThy6CdEzaOAj0nKYkuigQEXhqyQ&index=1He also has recorded the rest of Chopin and Brahms which I'll probably check out tonight as well.
>>124752504>unironically listening to etudesCage and Ligeti are the only ones worth hearing
>>124752555Thanks, but I prefer music. Nah, Ligeti's are fine too.
>>124752555thanks RYMsister
>>124746244Hilarious image.>>124751045Lucky man!
"Romantic residues" sound like a euphemism for sex fluids.
>>124753654considering britten and saint saens are involved, it may as well be
So aside from Scherbakov, Tatiana Nikolayeva, Melnikov, and Ashkenazy, any other recordings of Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues worth listening to?
>>124753654Three Songs for Janny?
>>124753771song 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNyzjQtgJjAsong 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcOMr-TqF4song 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzAmxHAXVRQ
>>124753760>Intelligent programming, a highly developed musical sensitivity, and an extraordinary sense of the musical possibilities of the piano are the hallmarks of Jenny Lin's artistic personality. Her extraordinary range includes everything from hyper-virtuosic avant-garde experimentalism to critically acclaimed bravura readings of Bloch's romantic "Concerto Symphonique." This new recording of Shostakovich's most extensive and impressive solo piano work has been unjustly neglected. Jenny Lin's insightful readings restore this work to its rightful place as one of the major piano cycles of the 20th century.>"Hands down the finest version of this massive work yet recorded--a brilliant, moody, energetic, edgy, and technically stunning exploration of Shostokovich's compositional genius." -- ClassicsToday
>>124753654>Romantic residues from California>CaliforniaMmm
>>124753898I am loving this, never before has this work sounded so much like Bach. I imagine this is closest to how Shostakovich intended it to be performed, his connection with Nikolayeva notwithstanding.For anyone who is a fan of Op. 87, and even if not, check this out:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRhVxzX5dZY&list=OLAK5uy_mta00bfdpXP7wiTm7HnXmiN3hn-sjqEmI&index=14Delightful. Completely different take.
>>124754060the only thing uglier than the music is this missing link neanderthal on the cover.
>>124754082That's funny and savage, but you're missing out. This'll be the new go-to recording I recommend to people who are looking for something that sounds just like a modernist WTC.
>>124754125missing out on bad music? sounds like a good thing to me
>>124751063guarantee all those "performers that matter" are hacks (i.e. Furtwangler)
>>124751151but what was it that could be reported?
>>124755838Odds are the Wagnersister who posted it had it on some playlist or saved post for so long that they blindly copy-pasted it over, and it was removed long ago for any number of possible reasons, from copyright to the uploader simply deleted their channels/videos.
feels like a Mahler 2 day
>>124756055Its also very likely that it was removed long ago, and nobody bothered to open the link till now.
>>124756608That's what I said!
>>124753760You should probably listen to the few Shosty played himself.Also Richter's recorded a few https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QZ6zGXir3g
What are some genuinely good sounding mono recordings? I really like the sound of the ones on RCA Gold Seal but they're all meme conductors like Fritz Reiner or Toscanini
Today's pianists are better than they have ever been. It's almost entirely never worth listening to a recording of a solo piano piece made before the 21st century, at least if you are wanting to experience the best performance and get the most out of the music.
now playingstart of Liszt: Années de pèlerinage I, S. 160https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuPAJBOafas&list=OLAK5uy_nwMTLK1B2Z8xdAgg4auBUm_gnDKHqhUTU&index=1>The great French pianist Roger Muraro joins Alpha Classics for several recording projects. Born in Lyon to Venetian parents, he was a pupil of Yvonne Loriod and is regarded as the leading specialist in the music of Olivier Messiaen, to which he has devoted much of his career. But this noted pedagogue, a former professor at the Conservatoire National Superieur de Paris, is also renowned for his profound and sensitive approach to the music of Ravel, Chopin, Schumann - and Liszt, of whom he is particularly fond. He now presents a monumental masterwork by Liszt which is in his view a work of 'universal intimacy': 'I admire the freedom with which the evocations of the soul, of nature, of the colours of the masters of Italian painting unfold in succession. Everything Liszt saw during his pilgrimage to Switzerland and Italy contributed to a process of reflection, a journey, a quest to bring him closer to his ideal where silence became the ultimate authority.'
>>124756825>Today's pianists are better than they have ever been.False.>never worth listening to a recording of a solo piano piece made before the 21st century,True. Because the sound quality improved, which plays a bigger role in a recording than intepretation, though both are about equally importang.
>>124756824https://files.catbox.moe/swhvr0.mp3
the number of performances on my hard drive which were recorded after 2000s? two.
The number of performances on my hard drive which were conducted by jews? zero.
>>124756824https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1BKKXcIFFs&list=OLAK5uy_m4AnnQ8PQPKQtAUIL2ELYmat08fKLgg3U&index=1
>>124756972Since when is this mono? Stop uploading shit rips.
>>124757070you're right, it's not mono. may i ask you to use your vocabulary to explain why you think it's a shit rip?
>>124757089Because if the mp3 is mono from that CD it must be shittily ripped, just being an mp3 is a good indication.
>>124757110the mp3 is a v0 -q0 which was sourced from a flac with a 100% log checked on red. does your incorrect claim suggest something negative about your character?
I am in a world, where I am taking a stroll in a beautiful park built by the divine, suddenly my legs feel tired and request to stop. Cordially I went on ahead to sit under the shade of a chestnut tree. My fatigue washes away from me as I slip into my imaginative daydreaming, I can hear the melancholic chirping of the sparrows and the water flowing from the creeks, feel the gust of a chilly wind approaching my face, smell the rejuvenating fragrance of the good earth. But then I realize I was just listening to the start of Lohengrin. I a poor soul, venerate the gods for creating such beauty and allowing an inferior soul like me to experience it!https://youtu.be/oxqyUW2txQw
>>124757171It wasn't my incorrect claim that it was mono. Nerds and wagnerites getting buttflustered, name a more iconic duo.
What are some conductors who really bring out the cellos and horns?
>>124755830>liszt sucksCall the presses, one of the most well renowned composers of the Romantic period is actually bad according to a random autist on 4chan who screeches when someone doesn't follow Beethoven's precious metronome markings (Which were so important his own lineage of pupils did not care to follow them)
Gould!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7JJQCprwDA&list=OLAK5uy_m8psBRo7PJqQO_i1vxJTOylZZ3Zqxu1CU&index=1
My hunch is that people that obsess over W philosophy and B metronome are using it to disguise their lack of truly music appreciation. Its like obsess over covers instead of content. They never talk about the music itself, about the pieces. Pic not related.
>>124757314They're just meme-ing. It goes way back in the history of this general.
Lazy cover in more than one sense
>>124757229you made two claims. one, that it wasn't mono which both parties agreed upon. and, two, that it was a shit rip. it had been incorrectly assumed that the rip was shit because it was in an mp3 container. the second claim is the one being interrogated, not the first. the contextual matter in the following post >>124757171 is not referring to your first claim. moreover, the question within the post uses the word "claim," and not claims, indicating that only one of the claims is being disputed.
>>124757306Why is Gould so divisive yet so famous?
>>124757405>>124757306On that note, time to finally try<-----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CVlBSgj0bk&list=OLAK5uy_keWvxGmwrAzKnB28btqo4Fgh6mSGIp9hA&index=1
>>124757405Similar to Karajan I suppose. Distinctive with a clear and compelling vision. The kind of style if you love, you really love, and even if you don't, you can't help but find admirable in its eccentricity and immediately evident passion.
Whats the most recent classical composition that you regard as one of your all time favorites? Grieg's works are my contenders, maybe late Brahms.
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>>124757485>>124747846Very nice!
>>124757498Still missing the uber smugness of Gould
>>124757060I think picrel is already a regular in here.
Sometimes I do prefer mono recordings. Dont at me.
Today is another Early Music day. Oh the beauty of music of old.
>>124757625>Ferrara Ensemble.These guys have 9 albums, this being the first one, from 1988. Weird how, given enough time, the recording itself is turning old. Like all of us.
>>124757405eccentric showmanship and "uniqueness" is more memorable to retards than quality, even if that uniqueness is being uniquely shit.
>>124757646what is considered unique in the performances by gould?
>>124757666frequent staccato + humming + dry (mostly pedalless) + it's played by Gould (and people care more about his persona than playing)
>>124757666Autism
I think hating on famous and well regarded performers and composers is more "edgy" than serious. If you want to pose as some expert with a unique and refined taste just take a famous (never good but obscure) performer and bash in.
>>124757684no, it's just honest
A poll in /classical/ will give you the same composers and performers as the best and the worst.
>>124757709In some anons, yes. The ones than can articulate the why. This is fine for example >>124757675 The vast majority, nah.
>>124757675>hummingKek, is that serious? Never heard Gould.
>>124757728do you think the ability to articulate the qualities, or the lack thereof, in a performance and or composition is an essential component to have for individuals to know that they like or dislike a performer and or composer?
>>124757770No. But it helps to separate posers from honest opinions.
>>124757646The prize of fame
>>124757625Dont know if its better to continue all day with Early Music, or start with the Christmas backlog. Mmm.
>>124757056People who cares: 0
>>124756834>the leading specialist in the music of Olivier MessiaenI have some of his albums in the hard drive. Maybe its time to start with them.
>>124757773do you think that all anons who refrain from sharing their opinions on why they think a performance and or composition is shit are all posers and therefore edgelords?
>>124756737Smoking is bad for you, Shistakovich
>>124746036Are you new?
New thread>>124757759>>124757759>>124757759
>>124757821Also no. But we are in a forum to communicate and share, so I expect that.
>>124757831how then do you come to the conclusion that anons who hate on a composition and performance or composer and performer are edgy or posers? am i to understand that you think being edgy is synonymous with being a poser?
>>124757846I dont think in absolutes, anon. So my answer would be: Yes, in some cases. No, in another. Mostly yes, on cuatro chan dot org.
>>124757858right but your statement here, "I think hating on famous and well regarded performers and composers is more "edgy" than serious," followed up by a caveat that, "The ones than can articulate the why" aren't, can only suggest one thing and that is that your initial statement on matters of what you think need to be articulated in a more appropriate manner before submitting them. in other words, you are guilty of the very thing your accusing others of doing. when i was little my grandpa taught me of a word that defines that behavior: projection. what do you think about that?
>>124757277>liszt did it so it’s okay!sick appeal to authority bro
>>124757768His performances/recordings are very famous for it, yeah.
>>124757464That's as recent as you go?
>>124757768Yes he hums quite a bit. He said he couldn't help himself. In some recordings it's very noticeable, in others barely.
>>124757881>what do you think about that?I think that once both point have been made, more discussion and words go nowhere. But you are welcome to keep arguing for the sake of it. Peace.
>>124757881All they're saying is anyone in the exception and minority in disliking on a famous composer and performer for justifiable reasons should be able to articulate why, and should be assumed to be doing so for non-musical and unfair reasons until then because it's the far more common scenario. That's obvious, c'mon, you're neurodivergent but not dumb, schizo-anon.
>>124757881>when i was little my grandpa taught me of a word that defines that behavior: projectionDunno why but this is hilarious, little anon with grandpa
>>124757895I trust Liszt more than a random guy from 4chan, desu.
