Adrian Leverkühn editionThis thread is for the discussion of classical music in the western tradition. Early Music, Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic and Modern all welcome.Bach - Cantata Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland BWV 61 - Van Veldhoven | Netherlands Bach Societyhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MzWJsRjanC4 [Embed]>How do I get into classical?This outdated link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread: >>124777591
>>124786763yeah, i'll pull kegel out of my backlog, i just have PTSD from his absurd dragging in his missa solemnis. i've honestly never heard previn conduct a choral work and i've really not heard much kubelik outside of mahler and select other works; certainly not the brahms requiem. tell me about them.
>>124786776>missa solemnisBest recording?
https://youtu.be/6SunJ8LLj_g?si=JF417eubyOPTQ2Ey
>>124786776The simple version is Kegel's is choral dominant with focus on vocal clarity, Kubelik's is standard and heartfelt, and Previn's is a lightweight, bright, optimistic reading. A couple minutes with each will make the differences readily apparent. All good in their own ways, for different moods and tastes.
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>>124786793Herreweghe 2nd, Klemperer, Tate
>>124786793szell. >>124786814honestly, all 3 sound up my alley. i like my brahms lightweight, in the french style; apparently brahms did too.
>>124786793Szell - best tempi, good chorus, good soloists, can't hear the fucking organKlemperer - slower tempi, good chorus, great soloists, sometimes hear the organKegel - slower tempi, *best* chorus, ok soloists, can hear the organ
>>124786834kindly cease
>>124786793Klemperer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LylzR4SZP4
>>124786838>>124786871at this point, i think the klemperer is an awful first recording of the missa solemnis to listen to. the overall shape and proportion of the work is completely obscured by his tendency to drag in fast music and rush in slow music, and the extremely balanced structure of the individual movements of the missa solemnis is part of the appeal.
>>124786835>honestly, all 3 sound up my alley. i like my brahms lightweight, in the french style; apparently brahms did too.Hopefully you enjoy the Previn then. At worst I'm sure you'll find at least one of them fully satisfactory.
>>124786913i have to find the time to sit through 3 recordings of one of the fattest and heaviest choral works in the repertory, which is frankly a lot to put up with. but i’ve got break coming up soon so i’ll have time on my hands.
>>124786891yeah the stereo recording, not the live one i've posted
>>124786930the live one is also guilty of it, even if he’s faster on average.
>>124786941what recording do you recommend? Rilling? Bernius?
>>124786987i already said szell.
>>124786922True but a couple minutes into any of them and you'll know exactly what they're about and what they're going for.
>>124787007oh right with all the schizos here i can't tell who is who
>>124787031i don’t know the brahms requiem well enough to pass judgements like that. it’s probably the major brahms work i know the least well, which is strange.
>>124786987NTA but I think I've been disappointed with just about every Rilling recording I've tried lol.
>>124786793I'll be the HIPster who says Savall.
speaking of R Strauss, feels like an Alpine Symphony night
>>124787047As a HIPster I don't think Savall is all that good, too far outside his normal lane.
>>124787079I just love the bass in the Agnus Dei
number of szell performances on my hard drive? zero, for obvious reasons.
>>124787142so, szilch? :p
>>124787142Well you're missing out on Schwarzkopf's Strauss but otherwise no great loss.
>>124787188missing out on fleisher’s beethoven concerti and brahms concerto 1 is a pretty huge loss if you ask me
>>124787201There's so many great recordings of both, I think five of my favorites could be deleted out of existence and I wouldn't miss a beat.
>>124787214nah, fleisher very obviously has the best beethoven 5, brahms 1 and mozart 25. those 3 specifically are basically irreplaceable
>>124787201No never much liked Fleisher. Gilels isn't much of a loss he did better with others. Huberman's Beethoven would be a shame to miss though.
>>124787233the gilels cycle is pretty notoriously bad; the fleisher cycle is the gem in the szell concerto discography.
>>124787201yeah i try to avoid people of fleisher background as much as possible
>>124787275yeah, we know you haven’t taken your pills lately
>>124787282what do you mean by pills?
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 25 in C Major, K. 503 (Cadenza: Gulda)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsO3KbJd6Tk&list=OLAK5uy_k6ySqOSKRpfEJFNa4GttDbqqYaAorrqLM&index=7
speaking of Brahms' German Requiem, time to revisit this recording; the cover is too good not to be one of the best!
Paganinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh-xEqRrhjo
>>124787288your antipsychotics obviously>>124787313please no
>>124787330what about my post indicates a need for antipsychotics?
>>124787288>>124787337All this time and you never knew what THEY meant by that?
>>124787337pretty much all of it
>>124787347am i correct in that you believe the practice of avoiding specific people indicates a need for antipsychotics?
>>124787365not really, you just need to take your pills.
>>124787371okay but that was the substance of my post and you stated that was the reason i needed to take antipsychotics. now you're stating the opposite. why the contradiction?
>>124787377how is it contradictory? there’s more to your posts than whatever schizo bullshit you’ve cooked up in your head. now stop asking questions and start taking your lithium.
>>124787386you first stated that all of my post which included avoiding specific performers was the reason i needed to take antipsychotics. then, all of a sudden you had decided it wasn't the reason i needed to take antipsychotics. that is an inconsistency, a contradiction. do you understand?
>>124787411>my post which included avoiding specific performersand it included more than just that too, but you’re too deluded to see otherwise. fix that by taking your pillsies.
And they're off again, didn't take longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYGBnhpozOQ
>>124786776Kegel's is one of the quicker German Requiems. Actually, outside of Beethoven he's generally quick in everything. His Wozzeck is a wallop and so is his Parsifal. >>124786838TFW someone reposted my post.
>>124787411>>124787447Man, how fun it'd be to listen to you two bicker in a voice chat.
>>124787447>yeah i try to avoid people of fleisher background as much as possibleim fully aware that you're awful with syntax. so allow me to break this sentence down. the subject is a performer named fleisher whose background is the reason for the statement. does this need to be explained in another way for you to understand?
>>124787225nah, best Mozart 25 is Tchaikowsky with Reiner.
>>124787500oh yeah, i like his wozzeck. never heard his parsifal though. >>124787503i wonder how some people in /classical/ sound like. except for The Raped, we can all imagine an indian accent pretty reliably. >>124787509and there are other elements of that post aside from the primary statement that betray your need for antipsychotics. capiche?>>124787531????????
>>124787551no not capiche. what elements of that post imply some need for antipsychotics?
>>124787551Best Mozart piano concerto 25 is André Tchaikowsky with Fritz Reinerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3u0HeBFClo?si=d1seu9vkRd2gYpD3
>>124787568figure it out yourself, schizo. i’m sure you’ll find the pattern in the numbers soon enough. >>124787572i’ve literally never heard of this one, crazy.
>>124787591well I hope you like it I love the winds in it
>>124787591>schizoim asking you through the use of diction to describe something specific which you allude to as evidence of me needing to take antipsychotics. if you're unwilling to do that by suggesting i take antipsychotics because i need antipsychotics then you are partaking in circular logic.
>>124787625yes, people tend to take antipsychotics because they need them, as opposed to taking pills they don’t need. seems pretty consistent to me.
>>124787658my post was the reason you had stated it in the first place. please explain what elements in it imply the need for the thing you suggest.
my Bach library is fleshing out well. Just need to find the perfect recording for the Keyboard Partitas (on Piano). Any suggestions? Preferably modern.
>>124787738Vedernikov
>>124787683i'll explain it to you when you're all grown up, son.
>>124787857>yes, i am not interested in discussing nonmusical topics. because i am a musician posting on the music board in a thread about classical music. if you have something to post that’s related to music, feel free to, i’m all ears.
>>124787896well? go on, post something music related. we’re all waiting.
>>124787914i did, and who is we? it was related to a performers background. you followed it up with what i had hoped would be related to music but in the end you refused to clarify you initial statement.
>>124787931we is the whole general, and it is actually related to music, you just don’t understand it. you’ll get it someday.
>>124787966and i take it that you speak for the whole general? how is telling me to take pills related to music?
>>124787976>and i take it that you speak for the whole general?at this very moment, indeed; we all want to see musical discussion from you. >how is telling me to take pills related to music?you'll understand when you hit puberty my boy.
>>124787994>we all want to see musical discussion from youjust because you're not interested in the background of specific performers does not mean that their background is unrelated to music. that in and of itself is classified as musical discussion. you're repeating yourself, are you aware of that? and, larping as someone older isn't going to change the characterization you've made for yourself through years of relentless spam.
damn this Jeno Jando WTC is excellent, exactly how I like my Bach to sound. At least one of the ways.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr1Xs2tUe9I&list=OLAK5uy_ks1TPH_Tvm97K4UxgVDXiP-n1zNYNsjtg&index=6
>>124788018>that in and of itself is classified as musical discussion.not really. it’s related to music, but it itself isn’t music. >larping as someone older isn't going to change the characterization you've made for yourself through years of relentless spam.as opposed to the characterization you’ve made for yourself of schizophrenic newfag? rofl
>>124788052in other words, you want to gatekeep what is and isn't discussed in the general. that's rich coming from someone who has spammed this general for years without end. now im a schizo newfag. would you care to explain how you came to that conclusion or would you rather deflect and repeat those two words ad nauseam?
>>124787551>i wonder how some people in /classical/ sound like. except for The Raped, we can all imagine an indian accent pretty reliably.I sound like Mahler
>>124788082>you want to gatekeep what is and isn't discussed in the general. yes, i want the classical music general to stick to discussion of classical music. preposterous, i know. >that's rich coming from someone who has spammed this general for years without end. not that you would know, schizo newfag. >now im a schizo newfag.now? nah, always have been.
>>124788116ive got news for you. the background of performers is related to classical music. shocking, i know. i understand that it's easy to get mad when you're losing an argument. it may help prior to making a post such as "take le pills" or "schizo newfag" to have a foundation backing up those positions, otherwise you'll end in the pathetic position you find yourself in: repeating the same old lines.
>>124788140>the background of performers is related to classical music. but it is not in and of itself musical discussion. if you’re so content with discussing the lifestyles of celebrities, may i suggest >>>/bant/?>it's easy to get mad when you're losing an argument. i’m sorry you feel that way; if it helps, just know that you never stood any chance LOL, i’m not even arguing with you in the first place. >to have a foundation backing up those positionsthe foundations are that you haven’t taken your pills, that you’re schizophrenic, and you’re obviously a newfag who just started posting here like a month ago. >repeating the same old lines.if the shoe fits…
>>124788036Jando is a classic in classical.
>>124788175can you please explain what about my posts imply that i have just started posting here a month ago?>>124788205perhaps but i have reservations considering his background
>>124788205I hear why. Plus I see he has dozens of other recordings, so that'll be fun to explore in the coming days.>>124788225>perhaps but i have reservations considering his backgroundI admire your dedication to the bit
>>124788225>can you please explain what about my posts imply that i have just started posting here a month ago?stick around for longer than half a year and you'll figure it out fast enough. actually being serious with this one.
>>124788300in other words, it's obvious but you can't explain it. this is circular logic lmao you're such a faggot
>>124788309well yeah, if you stick around in a general for long enough it becomes readily apparent who the regulars are and when someone new starts posting with an extremely distinct posting style. of course you can't explain that, it's all intuition. granted, you are schizophrenic, so perhaps your intuition is too cooked to function on that level. sucks to suck bucko.
>>124788333so you're claiming that you know the thing suggested because it's self-evident? listen, maybe it's because you're really really young or perhaps retarded but that is what we call circular logic. i remember being here four years ago when i got into classical, but i never bothered posting and im almost certain with any board that is publicly available that there are more lurkers than posters.
>>124788377>because it's self-evidentyeah, it's really self-evident to everyone who's a regular here. nothing circular about it, my child. >i remember being here four years ago when i got into classical, but i never bothered postingthat's your problem, newfag. maybe you should have considered keeping things that way. >im almost certain with any board that is publicly available that there are more lurkers than posters.sucks to be them.
>>124788400there you go again speaking for everyone while at the same time calling someone a newfag lmao but in all seriousness a fallacy represents an argument that is incoherent hopefully these lessons you've learned today will improve your ability in exchanging dialogue
>>124788429your folly is presuming that i’m arguing with you in the first place LOL, what a shame.
I thought it would be fun to eventually watch you two argue but it's gotten boring, can we just call it here?
>>124788434the folly belongs to you for we are in disagreement, are we not? >>124788441sure whatever this kids a shit head
>>124788444disagreeing about what? it's pretty clear that you're a newfag schizo, child. perhaps take your pillsie willsies?
Whats your /classical/ plan for the weekend? I'm going to create a massive playlist with all the christmas, advent and related albums to start a listening marathon next week leading to December 25th.
>>124788618I don't know, at the moment I feel like my immediate backlogs are all finally cleared, so I guess just whatever I feel like in the moment unless I come across an unfamiliar cycle recording I really wanna try.I hope you're planning on listening to pic!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2r-q6_zxJs&list=OLAK5uy_nqhYEweWJTcaTDbUPuSxU9WYuBxmiUpOc&index=1
I had no idea Sullivan from Gilbert & Sullivan discovered Schubert's Fifth Symphony .
>>124788618https://files.catbox.moe/4vdn9k.mp3
>>124788693>>124788705Adding both! I think Bach's will be the only work with several renditions in my playlist.
>>124788705Whats the deal with that site?
>>124788940It's just a filesharing site, with an animu theme and most often used by channers.
now playingstart of Mozart: Symphony No. 41 in C Major, K. 551 "Jupiter"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw8oA2_oNtw&list=OLAK5uy_mOHgFXXzKErCrDDYOlLGuHq71oMQPSFUE&index=9
>>124788618Excited to try out the Melos Quartet's Beethoven. And some other string quartet recordings.
>>124789264Big fan of chamber music here, hope you enjoy it anon.
>>124788693>my immediate backlogs are all finally clearedMy backlog has a little over 100 albums. I really try to listen more than download, but alas, such is life.
>>124787738>my Bach library is fleshing out wellCare to share a screenshot? Big fan of Bach myself, always curious to see other anon's libraries.
>>124787317Famous composers that are never discussed here
I dont have the music literacy to explain in proper terms, but the movement of picrel feels "resolved" multiple times through the piece and then it keeps going and going.
Going to sleep with picrel.
For me, it's Terry Riley - In C.
Is there any recording of the Mass in B minor that uses proper trumpets and not a cornet or a "historical" trumpet? I hate how even in heavily romantic recordings that the opening to the Gloria still sounds extremely weak.
Beethovenhttps://youtu.be/3W-zTUjOyeE
>>124790754I wish that there were HIP recordings that would just reach max retardation. Beethoven's 9th with harpsichord continuo would be hilarious.
>>124788618Meistersinger makes great Christmas music. Über-gemütlichkeit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-rBwOn6kFc
>>124790922Meistersinger is just so good. I could listen to it forever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWBPa3HhFEc
>>124790774>Beethoven's 9th with harpsichord continuo would be hilarious.Apparently Beethoven did actually have a piano player hammering along in the premiere performance of the 9th, mostly to support the bass line during the climaxes, probably largely inaudible
>>124791127Any recording that does that?
Why do people always sort pieces by related key on albums? Isn't it better to provide contrast so you know its a different piece? Bach literally intentionally did this on Clavier Ubung II where the Italian Concerto and the French Overture were in as far apart keys as possible. And most albums I find that include the two still fucking put the Chromatic Fantasia and Fugue inbetween.
>>124791317>Chromatic Fantasia and FugueGenuinely my favorite Bach piece by far. One of my all-time favorites. And I'm not that huge fan of Bach.
Reminder, metronome markings are important. Extremely so, they're so important that Beethoven's direct pupil Czerny apparently completely forgot to teach Liszt to follow them like the law. Leading to Liszt's laughable hour long performance of the hammerklavier
>>124791342>they're so important that Beethoven's direct pupil Czerny apparently completely forgot to teach Liszt to follow themKEK. Thinking is so important, you forgot to do it
>>124791349Thinking is important. That is why I stress the importance of these markings.
>>124791342So important nobody ever took them seriously until retarded HIPsters came along LOL
Beethoven Symphonies2 > 4 > 8 > rest
>>124791393Eroica has the best melodies easily. So naturally, it's the best.
>>124791411*worst2, 4, 8 and even the bad ones like 5 have better melodies
>>124791438Retarded
>>124791393Eroica >>>
>>124791478Yes, you're pretty retarded>>124791482See>>124791438
Best symphony by Beethoven is Hammerklavier arranged for orchestra
There is no aspect of Beethoven in which you can say he was a great melodist, harmonist, contrapuntist, a tone painter, or orchestrater, if you take any of these elements separately, there's nobody.He spent his whole life trying to write a good fugue, and he himself, admitted he never succeeded.As far as his orchestration is concerned, it's bad.You can't really say he's a great melodist.The harmonies, any child could write.
>>124791393kek, good bait
>>124790680https://youtu.be/9bUM3kxLWpA?list=PL56B4C089DFC07313&t=497https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UizHzQqyCu0
>>124791564>Shows a recording with a cornet:/
>>124791578isn't just that a small trumpet?
>>124791595I want WAGNERIAN brass. Not a trumpetlet instrument like a cornet
>>124788841i havent been able to find any other fantasia on christmas carols. as for the hodie, i guess it depends if you want hickox or willcocks who not only have similar sounding names but oddly enough have also both received commander of the most excellent order of the british empire. the latter has more audible vocals while the former has a better sounding orchestra. both include the london symphony but the production was clearly higher for willcocks. also, janet baker.https://files.catbox.moe/ei6im5.mp3 (wllicocks)https://files.catbox.moe/wmpl7u.flac (hickox)
>>124791608You happen to have the Mozart collection of Suske Quartet in FLAC?
>>124791602Doesn't sound workable would drown out the rest of the music and destroy all subtlety. But I can see how a Wanknerian would approve of such gaudiness.
What was Beethoven's true strong suit?>Piano>String Quartet>Piano Trio>Symphony Orchestra
>>124791629Piano, just wasn't a slouch anywhere else really, although he hated composing vocal music supposedly.
>>124791660>although he hated composing vocal music supposedly.Why'd he make a Choral symphony, Choral fantasy and a entire mass, then?
>>124791666Because he was commissioned? He also wrote and rewrote an opera that he called a shipwreck and a whole lot of folksong arrangements that no one listens to. But they made money. Doesn't mean he liked doing it.
>>124791617the only place i can find sussy quartet is from pipo but his uploads are gated behind a pay to play filehoster. it'll take seven days to download each file. i'm doing nos. 8, 9 & 10 right now.https://classicalpippo9.blogspot.com/search?q=Suske+Quartet&max-results=20&by-date=true
It looks like the wee little fella from that Austin Powers movie
>>124791608the latter has more audible vocals while the former has a better sounding orchestra. this is backwards. im going back to bed.
>>124791498>he was a great melodistHe was a great melodist, in fact. Eroica alone proves he's an equal, if not above Mozart.>harmonist4th and Emperor concertos, 8th symphony prove that he was above anyone else from Baroque and Classical eras in terms of harmony. This is the funniest take so far.>contrapuntistLate Beethoven is no worse than Mozart. But yes, Bach could write pointlessly complex invertible/reverse/whatever counterpoint that Beethoven, allegedly(because he never did) could not. Thank god that Beethoven didn't waste his time on such nonsense.>tone painterSubjective, not even musical cope.>orchestraterIt's orchestrator*, retard kun. Beethoven was the gratest man that ever lived, period.
>>124791411Everyone knows the 6th has the best melodies. Who even doubts that?
>>124791842Eroica > > >
Gotta hate when a recording with a great interpretation by the conductor is belied by a subpar orchestra. So sad.
>>124791941Examples?
>>124791994The Segerstam/Helsinski Sibelius cycle I'm slowly going through right now. And of course the Skrowaczewski/Saarbrucken Bruckner cycle. There's tons of individual examples too, mostly of smaller name conductors with positions in minor orchestras recording non-standard repertoire pieces, but these two are the first which come to mind.
Bleepschizo is too much of a pussy to come here lol.
>>124792183If he does, this general will literally die forever. All it takes is one push, /classical/ is slow and barely alive.
>>124791778Mozart is better in just about every single regard but I'll respect your lower-class opinion as he would have wanted
>>124792196Kek, what happens when you spend every thread talking about the same tourist composers all day. I'm telling you, /classical/ is literally the only place with any real purpose on /mu/ if it actually promote new compositions that you can't find out about through RYM, last.fm, etc. Contemporary classical is the last genre left that hasn't become part of the perfectly organized archival system online.
>>124792247I'll tip my hat to that good sir! Agreed completely.
>>124792213Then show modulations on the scale of Emperor concerto, form more sophisticated than 8&9 symphonies and late string quartets, or melodies as heartwrenching as Eroica, Appasionata or Pathetique in Mozart.And before you try, don't bother. I've heard it all. In fact, I love Mozart more than you do, same goes for Beethoven. You are evidently earlet.
>>124792313Not going to bother, I already know Mozart was more talented and his music is better. Don't need to do the calculations for that one, egghead. Dropped
>>124792196The pace is fine
>>124792213I saw a woman who looked like that walking by me in the city the other week; I was transfixed.
Reminder: Yuja General.
>>124792338Mozart was obviously talented and his music was great, just not as great as Beet's.
>>124792313>And before you try, don't bother. I've heard it all.based
starting the day with Bach's second Partita for Solo Violinstart of J.S. Bach: Partita for Violin Solo No. 2 in D Minor, BWV 1004https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL3SIFA0Wgs&list=OLAK5uy_nAd5x6RH7r6u5h2KXivZC9jGllmrw6IZU&index=17or if you wish to just listen to the Ciaconnehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV4WZSU2QTI&list=OLAK5uy_nAd5x6RH7r6u5h2KXivZC9jGllmrw6IZU&index=21Pretty good set.
>>124792382
Are there any notably good opera performances on blu-ray?
>>124792382Fuck YouCaballé Generalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxZSP1Dc78Q
>>124792916Freddie Mercury's backup singer?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEWVfTbR14s
>>124792916Holy big
Best recordings for Schubert's Fifth? I already heard Bohm's and Harnoncourt's.
>>124793438https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znFcT8Cnhh0
I'm having a hard time getting into Mahler 9. Is it worth it?
I got interested after seeing the BTS of the recording. Listening right now.
>>124793473Great collection of choral works on Phi from the CVG
>>124793457>ban him for being a nazi>have no problem milking his recordings makes you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Gl8a7VxLgGenuinely one of my favorite recordings
The 5th ends as if Beethoven didn't know how to wrap it up.
>tranime faggots are wowtardsfucking christ, color me unsurprised.
>>124793523What is that object?
>>124793438https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYdG6CQs1T8&list=OLAK5uy_n-WqPAxxhP_aK2DR7N3-84VYCb-Two3LE&index=17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VcmYnoUs6g
>>124793472One of the greatest works of art ever, yeah. Try giving a different recording a try, that's what I always do if something doesn't click, as it's often the result of the performance. If still not, then just come back to it later.
>>124793473>>124793523When Herreweghe is good, he's very good IMO. Of course, the same applies when he's bad lol.
>>124794686>weebs living in his head rent free
Now more lute. A lot of music ahead.
Did the trannyjanny get shoa’d? A Christmas shoah?
>>124794803>bernstein's schubertEW>>124794838hardly rent free when that gay ass wow screenshot had tranime in it. >>124794828so he's never very good, got it.
>>124794947I posted the Blomstedt first!
>>124792916Gross
>>124794968you know, i never really gelled with blomstedt's schubert either. you'd think a guy as faceless as him would get carried hard by schubert's tunes but even that doesn't really pan out.
>>124795012Strange Blom getting spammed so much here recently. I tend to find only the stuff he does outside of the core repertoire interesting: Hindemith, Pettersson, Reger, Wuorinen .
>>124795105he did petterson and reger? when?
>>124795105>Petterssonneat, new music to try, thanks. particularly new symphonies
>>124795245it's great music for putting yourself in a bad mood
>>124795264But that's already why I browse this general
>>124795274combine them both for a multiplicative effect.
>>1247952988 minutes into the 7th and yeah I see what you mean. Think I'm gonna set aside these and then tomorrow the 8th & 10th for night time instead
Oh yeah Pettersson had a shitty life and poured it all into his music. Depression core. Have some Bax instead.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixF5f2cqIKo
>>124793438You'd have a very hard time finding a bad recording of Schubert's 5th.I am fond of Reiner's straight forward and fast performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnGAQP00sVo&list=OLAK5uy_kadTn4PSagNdVmydWrVGw1XkjyZ2V43Sw&index=17
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 11, Op. 22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly-qJtBdDwk&list=OLAK5uy_lDM-9DZtTcQqbLcuStlmAHnNeKWrnANNg&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 29, Op. 106, 'Hammerklavier'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1E6taT048&list=OLAK5uy_lDM-9DZtTcQqbLcuStlmAHnNeKWrnANNg&index=5
>>124795311yeah, it's the closest thing to actual "doomer" classical or whatever the fuck gay emo shit normalfags are into now.
>>124791778>above Mozartstopped there. Embarassing statement
Russian Romantic victory.>>1247948162nd is really good, just drags too long(same as 6th) and at the last 20 or so min (when it's supposed to be LE BEST, choir and all), it loses coherence, probably due to its retarded length. Ehh, probably not for me, besides from few movements from each symphony which are really good.>One of the greatest works of art everSpeaking of which...https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_krP3X6qbTl_JXIl6BSXDKw-BOHgOkWzj0
> HvK allows the music to "breath". It's an important distinction that runs through his entire performance. Ironically, it's the Hungarian born conductor who sounds more Teutonic. Come to think of it, Solti's Bruckner is perhaps best described as being Wagnarian.>I know - it sounds a little high-falutin and cerebral. But when friends ask why I own multiple copies of works, this is the type of difference I try to point out to them - and in the case of Solti's Bruckner 4, I think it is glarlingly obvious - even to untrained ears. This symphony is amusingly titled "Romantic", but Solti grabs your hand and says "Here's the flowers, here's the chocolate, now your comin' back to my place....."lol
>>124795551Raped retard gets banned and loses again>>124795553what in the boomer amazon review?
>>124795551Litton's Prokofiev is pretty great, glad you're enjoying Prok's music.
My Benda collection keeps growing. Now listening to this.
>>124795568Insomniac is projecting getting banned>>124795578Of course. He's like darker Rachmaninoff, and that's saying a lot.
>>124795648LOL you sound like a 13 year old, must be what happens when you get Raped as a child. >>124795632people seek out hungaroton recordings? crazy
On the topic of greatest works of art: Chopin sonata no.3 by Gilels:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0Jdem4c2lQPerhaps the greatest solo piano sonata ever written.>>124795686You sound like you're projecting hard, as is usual with insomniacs.
>>124795739>Perhaps the greatest solo piano sonata ever written.Do Chopincels even believe that?
>>124795739all this time i thought you were Raped as a child, but it never actually occurred to me that you quite literally are a child. shame on me, should have figured that one out sooner. >>124795758the ones that have finished puberty don't, at least.
>>124795568>>124795686>>124795811Stop ban evading TJ
>>124795825you'd think the obsessed schizo would have learned about the difference between warnings and bans by now, but i guess not.
>>124795758What then, Hammerklavier? 32th? I love these but no, your "western canon" composers are not "objectively" supreme. Yes, we Chopincels know that. If anything, Scriabin is the top sonata composer, he's just from a different universe entirely:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCzvc3Cl6xEBeethoven could never compose work of this level, not even Bach's entire lineage could. Stop being a mindless sheep and become an individual (I guess that's impossible, you were born an NPC).>>124795811Hallucinations caused by insomnia and bad diet.
>>124795857lmao shut up indian child, you sound like such a cornball
>>124795857>Stop being a mindless sheep and become an individual (I guess that's impossible, you were born an NPC).Hey! >:(And I guess I've just never been a huge fan of Chopin's and Rachmaninoff's piano sonatas. Hell, speaking of original opinions, I even prefer Tchaikovsky's underrated piano sonatas over theirs!
>>124795838>>124795876It's not like a rat like would ever admit to it is it? Ban evading is against the rules and admitting to that wouldn't be very smart. Quit ban evading TJ
>>124795892it's really funny because by his age cohort's (that is to say, underage) standards, his opinions are basically the norm. talk about sheeple. >>124795906admit to what? receiving yet another warning? i admit to that all the time.
>>124795857Just for you, let's give this a play. Gotta love this Final Fantasy looking cover.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_luRBXCUtX98KNQXkOsSPWzDHasM9k5hf0beginning of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shTmFKWq07E&list=OLAK5uy_luRBXCUtX98KNQXkOsSPWzDHasM9k5hf0&index=5
>>124795920>admit to what? receiving yet another warning? i admit to that all the time. Yeah cause that's not against the rules is it disingenuous ban evader?
>>124795938not even the hardcore chopincels i know like the third sonata, they're all busy circlejerking over the second. >>124795962i would never break the rules, obsessed schizo.
>>124795920True, saying Rach and Chopin are underrated is like saying Hemingway and Dostoevsky are underrated; perhaps amongst elitist and people who are really informed, but certainly not by the public at large.
>>124795686>people seek out hungaroton recordings?They mmm come to me
>>124795892Apologies, I mistook you for one of the resident schizos. You're cool.I understand not getting the Rach sonatas, but Chopin's 3rd contains some of the greatest written, longest and most touching melodies. He was inspired by Rossini's long arias and opera. A matter of taste, sure, but give it another try.>>124795876Outta here, insomniac >>>/b/
>>124795972even among performers, rach and chopin are absolutely more popular than the likes of mahler or bruckner (doubly so if pianists are involved). it's really only composers and their ilk like pedagogues and theorists who value the latter two composers so highly. >>124795996i could only wish to be so lucky. >>124796009LMAO you're literally an indian teenager, shut your goofy ass up LOL
>>124796009Admittedly I haven't listened to them by either too much, opting generally for their other solo piano music when I'm in the mood for them (Preludes, Etudes, Chopin's Waltzes and Mazurkas, etc.), but as soon as this Barenboim/Chicago Bruckner 4 ends, I'll give that Demidenko recording I posted above a listen. You should too, seems pretty well-regarded and contains the 4 Ballades as well.
>>124795938The 1st movement especially is divine.Will listen to this now.>>124795972Never said Chopin is underrated. But the "muh western canon only!!" types are genuinely cringe. I can't get to praise a composer I deeply respect and enjoy because someone else thinks there's also that famous guy from the "canon" that is better? That's the kind of feeling I get from 2-3 anons here (averaging an IQ of 90). Thinking music is completely objective to the point of nitpicking between masterminds such as Chopin and Beethocen is imbecilic.>>124796026You are literal mutt with insomnia.>>124796043>Preludes, Etudes, Chopin's Waltzes and Mazurkas,As much as I like the smaller pieces, they are just as unsatisfying (kind of) as very long, 1 hour+ long pieces. For me there's a sweet spot, which is ranging from 8-50 min. So I prefer nocturnes, ballades, sonatas, concertos etc.
>>124796167>i'm the smart one! all of you are stupid sheep who dont even follow soience!LOL, it makes so much sense why you talk like an illiterate redditor now. you do know this site is 18+ right?
>>124796167Well, everyone's gonna have their own likes and dislikes, don't take it so much to heart.
>>124796232asking an autistic indian child to not take things to heart is like asking a cow to not graze on an open field.
>>124796242Quit ban evading TJ
>>124796242I got tricked into watching some clip of a godawful, bigname podcast hosted by a hack comedian and his entourage a few months back, where the guest was bantering about Indians, at one point joking about how they're all known to be autistic and socially inept on the internet, especially in regards to emotionally overreacting, and the Indian co-host replies, "It's because we're more sensitive -- we feel emotions more" kekAnyway...
>>124796262quit spamming obsessed schizo
>>124796294LOL, i'm sure the literal indian child that roams among us can really relate
>>124796294Stop replying to ban evading Jannies
>>124796232True, but at the same time these people kill the potential discussions, and alienate someone who's new and I'm trying to help. Who would want to post in thread with this guy:>>124796220Awful strawman, quite imbecilic.
>>124796331ask yourself who would want to post in the same thread as some indian kid who posts like he's on /r/classicalmusic first LOL
>>124796331>and alienate someone who's new and I'm trying to help.Fair, which is why all sides gotta be represented -- well, all good sides. Everyone offers their answers and opinions to the newbie asking questions, and they decide from there. I've got no problem with your posts, I think they offer a good and much-needed balance to the thread.
>>124796369yeah, this thread really needs the opinion of a child chiming in
>>124796351>>124796380Ayo, quit ban evading
>>124795857Mozart 12Mozart 15Mozart 18Beethoven 31Beethoven 29 and 32 yesSchubert's last threeMultiple, multiple Haydns
>>124796398quit spamming, obsessed schizo>>124796400pearls before swine, friend. or in this case, before bovine.
>>124796400Mozart? Music to put babies to sleep>>124796432Calling out ban evaders is not spam TJ. I wouldn't have to if you followed the rules
>>124796458>retarded schizo is a mozart underraterlike pottery
The second theme of the 3rd sonata is peak of art and soul, with masterful countrapuntal developments, this is why Chopin's early death was a tragedy. What would Ballade 5 sound like? Sonata 4? Hard to imagine. This poster has no soul and therefore will never understand:>>124796351I ask that question to myself every time I come here, but alas.>>124796369Spamming "thank you sister" doesn't really fit into the 'good side' in my book.>>124796400All great, along with Mozart 8 which seems underrated to me(a very particular performance though). And Appasionata, pathetique, 30th. Not even all of them combined outweigh Chopin. No.
>>124796520always good to ask yourself what you're doing here and why you choose to shit the thread up with underage indian babble every day, Raped.
>>124796486Ban evading baby likes MozartNo surprises there
>>124796570we get it, you’re a retarded spamming schizo with no music taste. no need to hammer the point in so heavily.
>>124796569If you cared about the quality of threads you would stop trying to have the last say.
>>124796580if you cared about the quality of threads you would follow global rule 2 and cease posting until you turn 18.
>>124796580They don't they've admitted in the past they only come to shitpost and the only music they ever post is that Beethoven 5th fart cover
>>124796611it appears that mozart underrating and braindead schizo babble are directly correlated..
Scriabin underraters usually have the lowest IQ, followed by Chopin underraters. >>124796607I'm well over 20.>>124796611>TheyKEK
>>124796641let's drop the act, we all know you're like 15 at oldest. no 20 year old could possibly write like such an emo faggot.
>>124796650Let's drop the act, you are not mentally well, you should be seeing a psychiatrist.
do people post metal in here to make up for the retard who keeps spamming classical shit in all the metal threads every day?
>>124796668LOL, the underage indian has run out of excuses>>124796674no, you guys get to keep hector thankfully.
>>124796674Like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwvDIcd_RQY&list=PL4f18WuwYZcrpVZeodH5h592mjGI3Gk0m
>>124796695>no, you guys get to keep hector thankfully.You talking about your imaginary friend again?
>>124796695Malding mutt can't stop solving captchas and typing nonsense.
Peak comedy by the way: >>124793640
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Cello Concerto No. 1 in E Flat Major, Op. 107https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ytGFvNwHjc&list=OLAK5uy_mZ0uiX1PVAq9V_6XPl9oLac_wJmpl33wo&index=2start of Shostakovich: Cello Concerto No. 2 in G Major, Op. 126https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFSwlj6Xlg&list=OLAK5uy_mZ0uiX1PVAq9V_6XPl9oLac_wJmpl33wo&index=5
>>124796821Well, what did you honestly think of the sonata?
>>124796821Listening to this makes me excited to try out Maisky's Bach Cello Suites tonight, should be really good.
>>124796729here’s your (You) buddy, don’t spend it all in one place!>>124796761as opposed to the underage indian who’s constantly ban evading to tell us how dark and edgy rachmaninoff and prokofiev are LOL
>>124796860you'd think the obsessed schizo would have learned about the difference between warnings and bans by now, but i guess not.
>>124796777LMFAO, sometimes i’m glad we just have the indian kid and his schizo buddy instead of hector.
>>124796843I listened to the first three ballades, saving the rest for probably after this Shostakovich -- was struck by the mood to listen to some orchestral music.
>>124796876nah, you got banned and it’s pretty obvious, kiddo. try to keep up.
>>124796902Proof? And why are you ban evading?
>>124796913you’ll see why it’s so obvious after you turn 18, Raped.
>>124796888>LMFAO, sometimes i’m glad we just have the indian kid and his schizo buddy instead of hector.He's real in your mind,
First time here on this board. Why is there no folk music thread? You'd expect one on 4chan.
>>124796924You'll probably see how retarded you sound after you visit psychiatrist.
>>124796966There are folk january or february threads if I'm not mistaken, just like there is dungeon synth december right now. Anyway, this board is dead, even /classical/ has started to rot, look at the state of this thread. The 5 posters barely keep it alive while one is seriously mentally ill.
>>124796966You see this thread, full of idiots spamming and very little music discussion? Well a folk music thread would be the same but with even more racism and less music.
>>124796934i’m feeling generous today, have another (You)! exchange it for a lithium pill or two perhaps.>>124796978you’ll cringe in secondhand embarrassment when you finish puberty and realize how much of a cringelord you were.
>>124797016I already went over that phase and I'm an adult, so my tastes and views are pretty much fixed, although I always try my best to be open-minded, very much unlike you, rabbi mutt.
>>124797036trust me, you’re not over that phase LOL, you’ll find out soon enough when you turn 18 >b-but da joozLOL, classic
Why is Carmina Burana by Carl Orff so good?Omnia sol temperatPurus et subtilisNovo mundo reseratFacies AprilisAd amorem properatAnimus hierilisEt jocundis imperatDeus puerilisAma me fideliterFidem meam notaDe corde totaliterEt ex mente totaSum presentialiterAbsens in remotaQuisquis amat taliterVolvitur in rota
>>124797016Don't lie TJ, you're physically incapable of not responding
>>124796966Why the obsession with generals for every topic? Just make a thread about whatever folk music you wanna talk about.
>>124797005>>124797013Kek. I see. Thanks.
>>124797072most people don’t consider medieval kitsch to be good, but sure. >>124797076i’m just too generous, i pity the schizo and the retard even when i shouldn’t
cello concerto rankingsdvorak > schumann > elgar > prokofiev > shotakovich > myaskovsky > saint-saens > haydn
>>124797054Trust me, you need to see a psychiatrist.
>>124797141Based ranking
>>124797111Bitch, Carmina Burana has been recognized worldwide, reenacted, and adapted many times, and it has inspired many artists as well.O FORTUNAVELUT LUNASTATU VARIABILIS
>>124797141Strauss' Don Quixote and Tchaikovsky's Rococo Variations should probably could. I'd put them above Myaskovsky.
>>124797144yeah, i take referrals from indian children reaaaaal seriously>>124797178so this is what passes as music discussion to /mu/ tourists huh? finding obtuse ways of saying “it’s good” and spamming lyrics? lol
>>124797201They're displaying their passion and love for the work, nothing wrong with that.
>>124797211this mindset is why you read amazon reviews and the rest of us don’t
>>124797201You should take your mental we-being seriously, mutt.
>>124797223wtf, you really are a mod, viewing my IP and shit
>>124797226we being who exactly? classic indian kid blunder LOL>>124797232if mods were able to view IPs i’d stop using this site immediately, i don’t need a bunch of IRC trannies to be able to geolocate me. but nah, it’s like i said to the unmedicated schizo yesterday: identifying regulars in generals is piss easy if you’ve been here for long enough.
>>124797245Guess it's obvious it's me when the post contains politeness and defense of a random anon...
>>124797278no one else would come so readily to the defense of an obvious tourist
I'd rather write my own reviews for /classical/ than read someone else's desu. And no, not recording reviews. We should analyze and rate each Scriabin sonata down to each interval, chord, motif and section instead of spamming nonsense and posting garbage, speaking of which:>>124797245Mind your own mental health, rat.
>>124797304I'm magnanimous, especially in defense and encouragement of newbies.
>>124797306The 5th is his best imo, and one of the greatest solo piano pieces of all time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tROZ8pc7X_c
Scriabin was also the first to introduce sex into his music, and quite explicitly too. While acknowledging Brahms' romanticism and Wagner's gardens of worldly temptations, Scriabin went several steps further, when he wrote music entitled Desire, Danced Caress, Sensual Delights and, above all, the Poem of Ecstasy. Some of the passages from the accompanying poem leave little to the imagination and are too explicit to mention (as is indeed the music, but even censorship has a limit).
The "Marquis De Sade" of music.
https://youtu.be/6osJBtQRjoYEveryone is so weak and pathetic. Who the hell cares about inferior rodents anyway? I alone must endure as I alone have the soul of the Overman. You inferior insects and your whiny musings never fail to entertain me. In me dances the warrior, the conqueror, I am Prometheus, the titan who defies the gods, the one who bears the flame of truth despite the cost. I am Zarathustra, the one who ascends above the herd to carve his own path.I don't care about life now, life, safety, wealth, health - these things are all trivial, all part of a Jewish circus trope for subhumans and jesters to partake in. All I want now is to have a legendary battle with a certain someone, a rival, our battle will shake the earth. The only thing to live for as this is the true meaning of life - A FUCKING BATTLE! Blow the war horns and carry me to destruction ARES!
>>1247973525th is the most balanced and delicate, yes. Yet the 7th is the most esoteric, mystic. It evokes the feeling of dread and universal apocalypse. Transcends the ordinary normalfag "music" in all shape and forms. Skrjabin was a demi-god.>>124797420BASED and ecstasypilled.
There is only one composer whose works sound great even if the pianist is playing the wrong notes. You know who I am talking about. This goes to show that some divine power is presiding over Scriabin's music.
>>124797306mind your own business, lil bro>>124797340sometimes too magnanimous. >>124797420>>124797425>>124797479>>124797502only an incel could be so obsessed with sex
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>>124796843It's pretty good, definitely something I'll return to in the future. I don't know about anything remotely close to the greatest piano sonata of all-time but, as always, I enjoy your passion for it!
Scriabin had sex lol, why does the sisterposter calls him an incel?
>>124797604Literally just because his name ends in '-in'; it's just a funny modification is all.
Scriabin.
