Christmas Editionhttps://youtu.be/DEDyOG0IJqY?list=PLe5JL7lnvlzAOtXaQvI3EyI0JkXvhWU05This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>128878789
smol rach
For me? It's Ockeghem, Obrecht, Brumel, de Lassus, de Victoria, Josquin, Palestrina, Gesualdo, Monteverdi, von Biber, Buxtehude, Schütz, Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven, Wagner, Brahms, Mahler, Scriabin, Debussy, Bartok, Ravel, Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Busoni, Berio, Boulez and Sorabji: the greatest
I took my girlfriend to a concert. The Sibelius Violin Concerto was on the program. The first movement was very intense and exciting, electricity was in the air. At the end of the movement she jumped up and clapped, a few people glared at her. When she sat down and the the second movement started she apologized to me in a swisper. I swispered back "Never apologize for being moved by music."
>>128901884Excessive rubato to the point of coming to a grinding halt during the intermezzo, right hand is consistently half a beat behind the left hand if they are not in sync, your other points I agree with.
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>>128901574Mehta/NYP
Why is it almost every composer and conductor of Wagner's era considered him it's greatest, and an equal to Beethoven?Seriously there seems to be a lot of contention around him but this also seems to be an undeniable fact.
>Ireland>South Slavia>Spain & Portugal>Greece>Romania>SwedenWhy did they care so little about art music compared to the rest of Europe?
>>128902007>Irelandjust a third world country for most of the relevant period
If you can't hear why this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOWCaCyAvFAIs vastly superior to this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pHJs-5cm6cI'm afraid you might have lost hearing.>>128901940>to the point of coming to a grinding halt during the intermezzoA little halt is fine, what matters is overall interpretation and the end result. Besides, the halt is very fitting.>right hand is consistently half a beat behind the left hand if they are not in syncAs they should be. A bel canto singer is almost always slightly off beat. The inconsistency also creates additional counterpoint, as Chopin intended.>>128901721>>128901955Thanks.
>>128901931Agreed. I hate voluntary nuisances (phone, talking during the music, etc.) much more than people who just don't know any better.
>>128901912lol i think it was I who made that list a few years ago but I would include Rossini too if I made it now, even if only for Barbiere
>>128902393Rossini would have been a great composer if his teacher had spanked him enough on his backside.
>>128902441Many such cases!
>>128901860Christmas is reddit.
>>128902471jolly bros...
"reddit" has lost all meaning
Tonality is more like an artificial system imposed on music at the start of the baroque which people have been struggling to work within or escape from ever since. Except in the classical era when they loved that shit and they believed they were imitating the regularity of greco-roman music, which they actually knew nothing about.
Best classical works to celebrate the birth of our lord and saviour?
>>128903052Me when I'm trying to impress a 19 year old art hoe at my local college bar.
>>128903290https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haqCBVhQTcw
Antonio Salierihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Mj3ybZmmohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWeoDPrn9whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQp_p0-oQrghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcK8Xzhh1DAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qsc5-Vm4Bkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiDroZRF7YAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_esQ0XFBEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvmQA60UXzohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUATooCTIEshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ss1CrilVO0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO3ql93tUVohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCJo_a1Z2I0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gtqYD0n0U0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpjK3VsIq8Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uNbXpMVgaohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnI0EZfAdDIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RgmDK3DoWghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGefRFFVRh0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh-8d4dcKAEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HMPpcHMhdwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnYt6rLbY5chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWUa8phjjm8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4nCGTaEmR4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkTHYgZhgSkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOx1QlmipHshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpyIah8fnbkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF8NVzUQQCUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qDx1hEAS6Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQBGawSCnichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PdxccETDukhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seqwy6JXFoQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUJkROWNROU
>>128901860Wagner was planning symphonic works centered around Christian holidays when he died. Imagine...
>>128903776thank fuck he died
>>128903788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI8TacWnlncsomething very homoerotic about this
>>128904222yeah, the composer
>>128901884>>128902015Thanks for giving it try.
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>>128902471Santa bros, not like this...
Mozart "The Hunt" vs. Haydn "The Hunt" vs. Beethoven "The Hunt"
Please recommend me an organ piece to end my evening with
>>128903776sincerely a lose for humanity :/
>>128905558this recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_THWVDW7a2s&list=OLAK5uy_kLB-ywBegME5Mkz5bSS6Ju2MCy_XtZlIA&index=1have a good night
>>128905599Thank you, I will listen to this now. Good night
Zzzzz...
who is the most christmas composer?
>>128905885Bach
>>128905567how will we ever recover from losing the meandering, bloated equivalent of all I want for christmas is u
>>128906660The more music the better, the more symphonies the better. If we lost out on more Wagner operas, yeah I couldn't give a shit, but symphonies? That's a bummer.
The way some posters here talk, I swear you would think they only wish like 5 composers with 5 pieces of music per existed at all, with only 1 recording of each.
>>128906669>The more music the betterDemonstrably false. For every good piece of music there are thousands which bring the average down. Not everyone can be a winner.
>>128906683"Bring the average down"... this isn't a numbers competition lol, who gives a shit about the average wtf
>>128906679You sound like you wish the equivalent of hyperinflation happened to music so that even the most valuable pieces were not even worth the paper they were printed on; all children building castles on the streets with the scores of hundreds of thousands of forgettable, less-than-mid trash.
For the thousandth time I'm gonna ask this: how do you pronounce Schumann? Is it Shoo-mon or Shoo-min?
>>128906689Oh... Bless your heart, sweety
>>128906694>all children building castles on the streets with the scores of hundreds of thousands of forgettable, less-than-mid trash.lmao that's such a good image I can't even offer a rebuttal, you get the 1-0 on this one, friend
>>128906700You pronounce it the way it's pronounced in the language the name is from. How do you pronounce Brian? Brayern? Vreen? Bree-Anne?
>spend 30 minutes perfectly curating the ideal playlist of which to fall asleep, consisting of four different symphonies/long works with single movement pieces as interlude between each>knock out soon after the first movement of the first work endsdamn
>I-I-I MUST LISTEN TO LE.... [insert holiday] MUSIC!!!! B-B-BECAUSE I HAVE TO.. OK??>LOOK EVERYONE I AM LISTENING TO HOLIDAY MUSIC!>btw did I mention? I'm listening to holiday music. Now I'm going to pretend I can't look up music myself and ask you to validate me: "any [insert holiday] music? *normalfag pepe pic*"Total nuclear holocaust.
>>128906808Get into the spirit, Grinch
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epKoXBs8RM8
>>128906815I'm in the spirit of WW3, it's coming, and all of us are going to diehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3BlFZWJNA
>get in the spirit, goy>just get in the spirit, don't worry about your money being hoarded, your children brainwashed and poisoned, meatgrinder nextdoor or innocent children being starved and killed>buy this shiny goyslop and be happy! don't think about the bad stuff. life is just like in our movies!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaPVaPPDmVs
Christmas always played an important role in Richard Wagner’s life. The two women he loved most, Mathilde Wesendonck and Cosima von Bülow, both were born around Christmas, on 23 and 24 December respectively, and used to celebrate their birthdays on 25 December together with Christmas.25 December (Christmas Day) 1830: The first premiere of a piece by Wagner - the lost Paukenschlagouverture in B-Flat major, WWV 10.Christmas Day 1830: The Overture in D minor, WWV 20 was first performed.Christmas Day 1857: Wagner’s Träume was for Mathilde Wesendonck (the piece itself had already been completed on 5 December.) However, Wagner wrote a second version for Christmas, scored for violin and chamber ensemble.
Christmas Day 1868: Wagner prepared a surprise Birthday-Christmas present for pregnant Cosima, Four White Songs. He selected four of the 'ancient' lieder and arranged them in an exact dramatic sequence: Christmas, the boy, expectation, snow. He revised the songs, prepared a new manuscript and bound the book himself; one song in German and three in French (Cosima’s native tongue). The first song, Der Tannenbaum is a setting of the poem of the same name by Georg Scheurlin (1802 – 1877), published in 1838. This poem has been among the most beautiful German Christmas poems for more than 150 years. It evokes the dialogue of a boy and a fir tree; the tragic fate of the Christ Child is foretold.Christmas 1869: Friedrich Nietzsche had been invited to spend Christmas with Richard and Cosima. On Christmas Eve, he helped set up the puppet theatre, and his gift to Cosima was the dedication of his lecture on Homer (Homer and Classical Philology). 'On Christmas Day, Family lunch; afterward read Parzival with Prof. Nietzsche,' wrote Cosima in her diary.
Christmas Day 1870: Wagner composed his Siegfried-Idyll (known by the family as Tribschen Idyll) for Cosima. ‘About this day, my children, I can tell you nothing - nothing about my feelings, nothing about my mood, nothing, nothing, nothing. I shall just tell you, dryly and plainly, what happened. When I woke up I heard a sound, it grew even louder, I could no longer imagine myself in a dream, music was sounding, and what music! After it had died away, R came in to me with the five children and put into my hands the score of his Symphonic Birthday Greeting. I was in tears, but so, too, was the whole household; R had set up his orchestra on the stairs and thus consecrated our Tribschen forever! The Tribschen Idyll - thus the work is called. - At midday Dr Sulzer arrived, surely the most important of R’s friends! After breakfast the orchestra again assembled, and now once again the Idyll was heard in the lower apartment, moving us all profoundly (Countess B was also there, on my invitation); after it the Lohengrinwedding procession, Beethoven’s Septet, and, to end with, once more the work of which I shall never hear enough! - Now at last I understood all R’s working in secret, also dear Richter’s trumpet (he blazed out the Siegfried theme splendidly and had learned the trumpet especially to do it), which had won him many admonishments from me. ‘Now let me die,’ I exclaimed to R ‘It would be easier to die for me than to live for me,’ he replied. - In the evening R reads his Meistersinger to Dr Sulzer, who did not know it; and I take as much delight in it as if it were something completely new. This makes R say, ‘I wanted to read Sulzer Die Ms, and it turned into a dialogue between us two.’
Christmas Day 1871: 'Children’s games, family lunch, all happy and merry. I contemplative, as always on my birthday.' The family tradition of giving presents, celebrating, wreaths and songs was joined by Nietzsche, who had also prepared a musical gift for Cosima: Nachklang einer Sylvesternacht for piano, four hands; Cosima sight-read the piece with young Hans Richter. (However, Wagner 'could not bear to listen to the entire 15-minute-piece and had to leave the room prematurely in order to refrain from laughing out loud', as we can read in Curt Paul Janz’ Nietzsche biography.)
Wagner is so infinitely sublime.
>>128905599Not heard this recording of Op. 122. Is it the best version?
>>128901975What we're listening to when they said that?
>>128906700https://voca.ro/1c8BdQteKoS0
>>128907714Is this how /classical/ anons sound like?
>>128907725Nah I used text to speech.
>>128907762What a fucking pussy bitch.
>>128907725Most anons here probably have way higher and more effeminate voices, especially the wagnerites.
Is this general always this larpy and schizo?
>>128908148Listen. This is /classical/, not "RateYourMusic". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.W.
>Verdi could give such grand scale to his people only because his own scope and vitality were unmatched; how I would like to have known him! His was the true spirit of Libertà, too, and he, not Wagner, was the true progressive, not the man Verdi of the Risorgimento and Cavour’s parliament but the composer of the Don Carlo duet [for Don Carlo & Rodrigo, “Dio, che nell’alma infondere”], which is more likable, you must admit, than that other Blutbruderschaft music that fat people in horns and hides howl by the hour.- Stravinsky, 1966Who wrote the better brotherly love duet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4BT_dUDIbshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABj5yOo7_s
>Most Bach-like composers who were at least two generations removed from BachMax Reger and Paul Hindemith>Most Mozart-like composers who were at least two generations removed from Mozart?
>>128908568Neoclassicists like Prokofiev and Stravinsky. 'Ate that shit, I'm only in here for good ol' romantic musik, gimme Brahms or Chopin and fuck offf!!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0jYkcJ_giZ0
Jesus eats poop.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfggmQFaRi0
>>128908722languishing junk
>>128908749Abhorrent imbecile
>>128907714Finally, thank you>>128908148Byproduct of the high average IQ
>>128905885Mariah Carey.
>>128905885Christmas without Tchaikovsky is like tea without sugar. It's like jerking off without Wagner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cNQFB0TDfY
I don't celebrate shitmas. New year is acceptable, but still embarrassing. Stupid pretend-day for stupid pretend-people.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODiMrFyc8w&list=OLAK5uy_njStM0xTJ3HGv7XmObCWyuUMbaRIjeHOU&index=1>>128909233>tea without sugar. Who in the FUCKING hell drinks tea with sugar? A diabetic swine maybe. I keep distance from such "people".
>>128901860i'm genuinely not used to seeing that picture without the edit that says "OP is a faggit" or something
now playingstart of Haydn: String Quartet in G Major, Op. 76 No. 1, Hob. III:75https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpm5U_YF2qw&list=OLAK5uy_k2ZcU8SvoHapXZ6Ay2uBShCjMpQjSa0jc&index=2start of Haydn: String Quartet in D Minor, Op. 76 No. 2, Hob. III:76 "Fifths"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9irA_HQ4Gd8&list=OLAK5uy_k2ZcU8SvoHapXZ6Ay2uBShCjMpQjSa0jc&index=6start of Haydn: String Quartet in C Major, Op. 76 No. 3, Hob. III:77 "Emperor"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQN_AGOzoUI&list=OLAK5uy_k2ZcU8SvoHapXZ6Ay2uBShCjMpQjSa0jc&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2ZcU8SvoHapXZ6Ay2uBShCjMpQjSa0jc>For Quatuor Arod, the six string quartets in Haydn's opus 76 "represent the apogee of the Classical style, but they are also ageless, "presenting almost infinite possibilities". This Haydn project has been close to Arod's heart for a long time. "Haydn, the founding father of the string quartet, composed the op. 76 quartets in his mid-sixties. Representing Haydn in all his maturity, achievement and mastery as he exploits a broad expressive palette, they constitute a turning point in the history of the quartet as a genre." Within this Classical repertoire, the Arod's players sought to be "faithful to both the spirit and letter of these works... The modern bow, invented after the time of Haydn, did not allow us enough flexibility and lightness, which are defining features of his writing..." Arod's solution was to commission a new set of bows, based on models produced in the 1770s by the celebrated Tourte brothers. The players' instruments, which date from the 17th and 18th centuries, remained configured for modern practice. "The impact of the Classical bows was immediate: the articulation became more natural, the responses more flexible, the sound more transparent. The bows transformed our playing, which became lighter, more open and more free."
Mozart - beerChopin - opiumHaydn - teaRachmaninoff - vodkaBrahms - stoutDebussy - lsdRavel - cocaineMahler - psilocybin Schubert - cognacBruckner - absintheCage - mushroomsBerg - fentanylLigeti - ketamineSchoenberg - dmtScriabin - weedShostakovich - heroinWebern - clonazepamLiszt - champagne Wagner - steroidsBartok - mescalineBeethoven - wineBach - coffeeXenakis - pcpMessiaen - mdma
Today I'm reminded that Rachmaninoff's symphony no.2 is still, easily, among top 3-5 ever composed. Incomparable beauty.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnKBIn7HQws&list=OLAK5uy_kSi8L4I1keAL7sZkE2STOm7yc606cy8m0&index=1
>>128909480>Chopin - opium>Berg - fentanyl>Shostakovich - heroinno wonder I'm hooked
>>128909480Have you actually tried any of the drugs?
>>128909481"still" lol as if every year it's in danger of losing its high rank.but yeah it's pretty fantastic. try this new recording, it has a slight modernist, 20th century flavor (as opposed to most Rach recordings which tend to emphasize the 19th century, romantic roots)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBLe64Tlapg&list=OLAK5uy_kBqWxaNeGXX0Ecq0LyFZrr7WEEtmDepN0&index=6
>>128909523Tastes change, but so far my classical music taste has only expanded, and has not changed.
>>128909541fair
>>128909438wtf Haydn is not only influential but good??
>>128909512Clear he hasn't.>>128909480>Messiaen - mdmaLol. The least danceable music possible besides the serialists is who you pick for MDMA. Dumb larper. The rest of the list was equally nonsense.
Bruckner is like a dry-aged steak: heavy, brawny, and unpretentious, but with plenty of craft, complexity and care put into it if.Strauss is like korean chicken wings: punches you in the face with its huge flavors, crispiness, juicyness and indulgent spice, though probably not very good for you.Franck is like a really good set baby back ribs or pulled pork: verging on cloyingly sweet but with a tangy edge to keep you interestedMahler is like an overpriced burger at a hipster bar: basically a cheap piece of shit covered in fancy ingredients to trick you into forgetting that you’re eating a glorified piece of shit.
>>128907641>Is it the best version?no, it was just one to share, and i don't generally like sharing the most popular, acclaimed one
feels like a Chopin's Nocturnes morningfirst track of the Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfVnGpziyUs&list=OLAK5uy_m6weSpAMU9zZv_dmJYoDd0XCPDv1XmfWs&index=2first track of the Balladeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4QxJlq2bho&list=OLAK5uy_m6weSpAMU9zZv_dmJYoDd0XCPDv1XmfWs&index=22don't think I've actually heard this recording before
>>128909609>>128909480reminder
Wagner is like crystal meth
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJelHeY43gY&list=OLAK5uy_lrDgTQs5G0iKJqdV9lxqEJFtFtThaMVmI&index=12
>>128909480>>128909510>>128909512>>128909597>DUDE WEED LMAOGrow up.
Aaron Pilsan's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqM9HbzPDaI&list=OLAK5uy_kTFThToU2cJNfI8ogObQ8swsoYD8cYWAk&index=13Also of note, I saw Jed Distler has a review of Pilsan's WTC Book 1 (a 8-9 rating), and noted he finally changed his reference recordings:>Reference Recording: Books I & II: Papestefanou (First Hand); Koroliov (Tacet), Book I only: Poblocka (NIFC)First off, no more Hewitt (1997)? Damn. Secondly, glad to see Poblocka is getting the attention she deserves, her set is marvelous and spiritually powerful. And lastly, Papestefanou's set, really? I thought hers was charming but not that great, much less a reference recording! I'll have to give it another listen, huh. Also great to see Distler has no qualms about adding new recordings to his references list (the Poblocka came out in 2019 or so, and the Papastefanou in 2017).
Wagner is like Estradiol
>>128908568Schoenberg
>>128908568Mendelssohn?
>>128909994Absolutely retarded.
>>128908609why do you type like a drooling retard
>>128910051If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
>>128910051Because I'm a drooling tard.
>I always find Beethoven's C Minor concerto {the Third Piano Concerto} much smaller and weaker than Mozart's. . . . I realize that Beethoven's new personality and his new vision, which people recognized in his works, made him the greater composer in their minds. But after fifty years, our views need more perspective. One must be able to distinguish between the charm that comes from newness and the value that is intrinsic to a work. I admit that Beethoven's concerto is more modern, but not more significant!
>I also realize that Beethoven's First Symphony made a strong impression on people. That's the nature of a new vision. But the last three Mozart symphonies are far more significant. . . . Yes, the Rasumovsky quartets, the later symphonies—these inhabit a significant new world, one already hinted at in his Second Symphony. But what is much weaker in Beethoven compared to Mozart, and especially compared to Sebastian Bach, is the use of dissonance. Dissonance, true dissonance as Mozart used it, is not to be found in Beethoven. Look at Idomeneo. Not only is it a marvel, but as Mozart was still quite young and brash when he wrote it, it was a completely new thing. What marvelous dissonance! What harmony! You couldn't commission great music from Beethoven since he created only lesser works on commission—his more conventional pieces, his variations and the like. When Haydn or Mozart wrote on commission, it was the same as their other works.
>That CHADzard smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44mz1Z0GAMo
>>128910074Third concerto is embarrassing, especially the last movement. The 5th is as good as Mozart's 20, 23 and 24.
now playingstart of Mozart: Klavierkonzert Nr. 21 C-Dur, K. 467, "Elvira Madigan"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgZpJ9_A6_4&list=OLAK5uy_l9FPxuqaYccKWa_Ki2Jojt6PEo5YMDgJQ&index=45start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 22 in E-Flat Major, K. 482https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVqiiGgQGBA&list=OLAK5uy_l9FPxuqaYccKWa_Ki2Jojt6PEo5YMDgJQ&index=48start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 23 in A Major, K. 488https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUlgBL0hlq0&list=OLAK5uy_l9FPxuqaYccKWa_Ki2Jojt6PEo5YMDgJQ&index=50https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l9FPxuqaYccKWa_Ki2Jojt6PEo5YMDgJQ>Rudolf Buchbinder is firmly established as one of the world's foremost pianists and is frequently invited by major orchestras and festivals around the world. His comprehensive repertoire encompasses the Baroque, Classical and Romantic masterpieces for piano as well as numerous 20th century compositions. This nine-disc set finds Mr. Buchbinder leading the Weiner Symphoniker from the piano in the complete concertos of Mozart. "... (Buchbinder's is) the finest all-round Mozart concerto cycle on disc, a reference edition guaranteed to (please) for years to come." (Classics Today)>"Achieves something extraordinary... This certainly sets a standard." --Jens F. Laurson, Listen Magazine, Fall 2015MahoAnon, thoughts on this set?
>>128910145correction, gonna listen to the 17th and 18th toostart of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 17 in G Major, Op. 9, K. 453https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H63nme5FCpA&list=OLAK5uy_l9FPxuqaYccKWa_Ki2Jojt6PEo5YMDgJQ&index=36start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 18 in B-Flat Major, K. 456https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixTU1a29Zag&list=OLAK5uy_l9FPxuqaYccKWa_Ki2Jojt6PEo5YMDgJQ&index=38
>>128910145more like my whore
>>128909723kill yourself
God bless all of you this Christmas. Thank you all for helping me appreciate the beauty of music. All the best to you and your families
>>128910658You too anon
>>128910658>helping me appreciate the beauty of musicDon't make me regret it
>>128909480> Debussy - lsdNo way. Stravinsky - lsd.
Mozart - weedChopin - weedHaydn - weedRachmaninoff - weedBrahms - weedDebussy - weedRavel - weedMahler - weedSchubert - weedBruckner - weedCage - rat poisonBerg - weedLigeti - weedSchoenberg - weedScriabin - weedShostakovich - weedWebern - weedLiszt - weedWagner - estrogenBartok - weedBeethoven - weedBach - weedXenakis - weedMessiaen - weed
I wish all usanistanis and wagnertrannies a very merry Hyalophagia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY_dTTFOfgYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZgf-YmIqQghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEx3MC2EhEwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2_tOjBLszUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvARCvb7Zrc
Christmas Day 1872: The morning began, as it had for many years, with ‘birthday greetings from the children, with wreaths and singing.’ In the evening, ‘A children’s party, at which I show our magic lantern.’Christmas Day 1873 in Bayreuth: ‘Richard gives me the first act of Götterdämmerung, orchestrated!!!… early in the morning I hear the children in the adjoining room, singing the “Kose- und Rosenlied” (the newly composed Kinder-Katechismus zu Kosel’s (Cosima’s) Geburtstag for solo, children’s choir and orchestra Cuddles and Roses Song) so touching, so affecting! Then they come to my bedside, and Siegfried recites the poem to me!’ Richard wrote a pantomime for the children to perform on Cosima’s birthday (and also did this in following years). Kinderkatechismus is one such pantomime – it’s a catechism or Q&A:The eldest girl singsTell me children, what blooms in May time? The children replyThe Rose, the Rose, the Rose blooms in May.The eldest girl then asksTell me children, what blooms in Christmas time? The children replyThe cosy, the cosy, the cosy mama, the Cosima.This ends with Brünnhilda’s apotheosis from Götterdämmerung.
>>128911106eat glass
>>128911106>The cosy, the cosy, the cosy mama, the Cosima.This would get nothing but derision by wagnertrannies had it been written by anyone else
>>128910028?do you really think schoenberg isn't mozart-like?
>>128912078Schönberg is Bach-like
All these Andreyev interviews with contemporary composers are so comfy, I wish I was an intellectual contemporary composer like those guysInstead of having cool friends to talk about contemporary music i'm stuck here with a bunch of midwits who only listen to the same 10 romantic/classical composers
>>128912178Give me five composers from the XXI century for me to listen to. This is not a sarcastic post or a "getcha", i'm sincerely asking.
>>128912078Schoenberg is Brahms-like
Think I prefer Taneyev's Quintet, certainly Medtners, Brahms is pretty heavy handed with his theme in the first movement. I've heard better sonatas, although I do always find it funny when a composer knows he has a good theme and then bangs you over the head with it because he knows you'll like it anyways, Waldstein and Sonata Tragica are that way. The scherzo was at least rather enjoyable for its energy, and the finale for the last two minutes was fantastic. It certainly has a lot of great tunes, was expecting a bit more counterpoint though, Brahms isn't as dense as people make him out to be. Reger, Taneyev, Medtner etc require a lot more out of the listener than Brahms. I'm surprised this was originally a two piano composition, I feel like it could have easily been a solo composition, then again maybe my standards for solo pianist are warped after listening to Alkan and Medtner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE4ME_lkuBA
Holy shit, Brahms finally clicked.
>>128912078I don't believe for a moment that anyone thinks Schoenberg is Mozart-like. You must be a literal drooling imbecile to think that.
>>128912326congrats on beating the tutorial
Holy shit, Brahms unclicked.
>>128912326What piece? Let me guess, 4th symphony. If not, the 3 other big candidates: 3rd symphony, piano quintet, piano concerto.
Brahms had all the compositional technique of the world, yet he couldn't compose a single memorable theme like Wagner.
>>128912238Anders HillborgEsa-Pekka SalonenThomas Adès
>>128912360Thank you.
>My teachers were primarily Bach and Mozart, and secondarily Beethoven, Brahms, and Wagner.>From Bach I learned:>1. Contrapuntal thinking; i.e. the art of inventing musical figures that can be used to accompany themselves. 2. The art of producing everything from one thing and of relating figures by transformation. 3. Disregard for the 'strong' beat of the measure.>From Mozart:>1. Inequality of phrase-length. 2. Co-ordination of heterogeneous characters to form a thematic unity. 3. Deviation from even-number construction in the theme and its component parts. 4. The art of forming subsidiary ideas. 5. The art of introduction and transition.>From Beethoven:>1. The art of developing themes and movements. 2. The art of variation and of varying. 3. The multifariousness of the ways in which long movements can be built. 4. The art of being shamelessly long, or heartlessly brief, as the situation demands. 5. Rhythm: the displacement of figures on to other beats of the bar.>From Wagner:>1. The way it is possible to manipulate themes for expressive purposes and the art of formulating them in the way that will serve this end. 2. Relatedness of tones and chords. 3. The possibility of regarding themes and motives as if they were complex ornaments, so that they can be used against harmonies in a dissonant way.>From Brahms:>1. Much of what I had unconsciously absorbed from Mozart, particularly odd barring, and extension and abbreviation of phrases. 2. Plasticity in moulding figures; not to be mean, not to stint myself when clarity demands more space; to carry every figure through to the end. 3. Systematic notation. 4. Economy, yet richness.>I also learned much from Schubert and Mahler, Strauss and Reger too.
>>128912351>piano concerto.no.2*>>1289123542nd theme of the 2nd sextet 1st movement is more memorable than all Wagner combined.
>>128912351Rinaldo
>>128912238Alma DeutscherLionel YuTom JensenJacob Collier
>>128912354haha yeah dude ride of the valkiries is fucking epic bro>>128912380>>>/mu/
>>128912238there's lots of new classical music being made by people like:Steve ReichHelmut LachenmannBrian FerneyhoughPhilip GlassChristian WolffGyorgy KurtagArvo PartTerry RileyLa Monte YoungSalvatore SciarrinoAlexander GoehrMichael FinnissyVinko GlobokarJohn AdamsRolf RiehmGeorge BenjaminWilliam BolcomJames DillonRobin HollowayTristan MurailChris DenchGordon MummaHans AbrahamsenMark AndreRichard BarrettGeorg Friedrich HaasMagnus LindbergMeredith Monk
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>>128912351None of those. I've always had odd taste and liked stuff like his 11 Chorale Preludes, last year I fell in love with Piano Concerto No. 2, but what REALLY clicked was 4 Songs, Op. 17 + 4 Quartets, Op. 92 + Geistliches Lied, Op. 30. I'm not even a choral guy.>>128912333Thanks.
>>128912238Adam Kalmbach of Jute Gyte fame.
>>128912395Those guys are old as fuck, dude, i want composers of the 21st century.
>>128912398Okay that's really odd. Listen to his symphonies and then chamber music, it's full of pure gold.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FtvttECteAThis is awful. What about some modern music that isn't atmospheric nothing burgers?
>>128912421I will, definitely.
>My most powerful devices are harmonic tempo and harmonic colour—hardly the most earth-shatteringly radical concepts. My three perennial benchmarks are Scriabin, Elliott Carter, and Xenakis.>In fact, there are several composers for whom I feel an intense disaffinity; from the very beginning I detested Mozart’s smugness, and Beethoven’s self-certain belligerence, and later I discovered how much I disliked Handel, Monteverdi, Rihm, R Strauss, and Verdi. (Note though that I do respect these composers’ achievements; I simply feel very little personal engagement with their work)Denchhttps://youtu.be/VWHWOhebW74
>>128912395>there's lots of new classical>recs shit that's over half a century old
>>128912445Will check this out later, guy sounds based. Thanks.
Anders Hillborg on the nature of his compositions (direct quotation):>“I often refer to the orchestra as a sound beast” Literally lower IQ than most of the metal artists I listen to, LMFAO!
>>128912395>le amerimutt postminimal memeNot sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>128912465speak on that
COME ALL YE FAITHFULJOYFUL AND TRIUMPHANThttps://youtu.be/SW8oGnusHUo?si=UMmYNoCLH28L7eaf
>>128912395Nice recs brother
>>128912238Andrew Norman - Playhttps://youtu.be/Dc9rYygfwNI
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>>128912312>I'm surprised this was originally a two piano composition, Huh, did not know that
>>128912561Brahms was a pianochud, all his compositions were originally for one or two pianos which he then orchestrated. This is what separates him from a true genuis like Mozart, who would compose the entire piece in his head, orchestration and all, before ever putting pen to paper.
>>128912596damn, based hard-working, everyman Brahms versus everything-comes-easy-to-me prodigy Mozart
>>128912178On this episode of the Jordan Peterson Podcast, Jordan was joined by Samuel Andreyev. Samuel Andreyev is a Canadian composer. He writes music for orchestras, soloists, chamber groups, singers, and other ensembles throughout Europe and the world. He also hosts the Samuel Andreyev Podcast, a professor at the Hochschule für Musik Freiburg. He is also known for his YouTube Channel, presenting an analysis of works that he believes are interesting and important.Dr. Jordan Peterson and Samuel Andreyev discussed skills needed to be successful as an artist, where to start if you want to compose music, the hierarchy in western music, the relationship of music and language, the importance of genres, tips on learning composition, how having a family is helpful to his career and more.https://youtu.be/rNcqLN42l8s
>>128912605why put one against the other like some sort of faggot (>>128912596)
>>128912614no one cares about your youtube crush, fag
>>128912619It's just banter, anon>based joking-telling anon (me!) versus super serious, straight-man anon (you xd)
>>128912632just wanted to call >>128912596 a fag honestly
>>128912596>all his compositions were originally for one or two pianos which he then orchestrated.The exact reason why Brahms is far superior to people like Mahler, who crafted poor music disguised by timbral nonsense. All composers start first with the core form, and then the timbral variation can be a nice spice afterwards. For Firetruckers this process is reversed, first the timbral sound, then the rest to follow. Modernist atmospheric tunes are merely the continuation of firetrucking. Piano, Harpsicord, and Organ have always been the supreme rulers of classical no matter the age.
>>128912645>no matter the age.Nah, bro. Vocal music reigned supreme for a thousand years.
>>128912650Ok thats fair, although the issue with vocal music is that it requires too many people. Having access to polyphony and poly rhythms at the touch of your own hands is why keys have been the composer's best friend for so long.
>As far as Bach is concerned, I never came close to liking him [-] My favourite composer is Scriabin -[and] his Fifth sonata, in my mind, the greatest piece of music ever written.>Wagner wrote an opera titled Tristan and Yseult and in it there is a theme called Love Death theme. It is so sensual, so sexual that he was criticized for having introduced sex into music. And that was quite a few years before the appearance of Elvis Presley!>The man who doesn't respond to music, the man without music in his soul is not to be trusted. A man like that is cold and empty, empty to the core.https://youtu.be/emYTG80B2vU
now playingstart of Schumann: Carnaval, Op. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwNVzjCokGM&list=OLAK5uy_lgJquT1ybmOR_IRruSvhc9iBWMf4EA24s&index=2Schumann: Faschingsschwank aus Wien, Op. 26: No. 4, Intermezzohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1FczQIQwko&list=OLAK5uy_lgJquT1ybmOR_IRruSvhc9iBWMf4EA24s&index=22Schumann: Kinderszenen, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Icq77ygqnM&list=OLAK5uy_lgJquT1ybmOR_IRruSvhc9iBWMf4EA24s&index=23Edna Stern: To-Nal or Not To-Nal, Op. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYd1Ehg_LBc&list=OLAK5uy_lgJquT1ybmOR_IRruSvhc9iBWMf4EA24s&index=35https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lgJquT1ybmOR_IRruSvhc9iBWMf4EA24s>This new recording, featuring Schumann's Carnaval Op. 9, Kinderszenen Op. 15 and Edna Stern's own first recorded composition, is a portrait of Schumann in all the energy of his youth. It represents the composer's first introduction to the characters of his two alter-egos: Florestan, ready to conquer the musical world with his fire and passion, and Eusebius, the daydreamer and poet who also speaks in Kinderszenen's last piece. Stern's own composition is a homage to Schumann, composed after reading his critical article on pianists who do not compose. Schumann thought composition should be a part of all musicians' lives, an ideal embraced by Edna Stern and one leading the pianist on a new path of her own.>"Her piano playing bears the mark of three great pianists who formed her and of whom she managed to create an improbable synthesis: the panache of Martha Argerich, the musicality of Leon Fleisher, and the impeccable finish of Krystian Zimerman." -- Diapasonthat is some praise
>>128912673Any man who is a fan of Henry Miller is a friend of mine.
>>128912674>female performerNot listening!
>>128912673>middle period ScriabinListening!>HISSNot listening!
>>128912684Excuse you, it's female performer-composer, as the last piece on the recording is by her >Schumann thought composition should be a part of all musicians' lives, an ideal embraced by Edna Stern and one leading the pianist on a new path of her own.
>>128912671The greatest genre of music of all time, the madrigal, only needs about 6-8 people.
Iannotta https://youtu.be/QgxdhPp6_BQ
>>128912695>is by herLink left unclicked and immediately hidden.
speaking of madrigals, did you know Martinu has some?vocalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxo9v_UJTkAlots of those, + these instrumental madrigals which I don't get how they're madrigals but w/ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stXjly4QVAwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AEGeuHZtOsgood stuff!>You know I am not a chorus composer although I may have made a few good choral pieces, I always somewhat hesitate whether I should plunge into them. Notwithstanding his humility, Bohuslav Martinu truly loved choral singing. When composing, he mainly drew inspiration from traditional music. He kept returning to the texts from Frantisek Susils collection of Moravian folk songs, a copy of which he always kept with him during his travels. In addition to their rhythmicity and modality, he was fascinated by the archetypal themes they treated, their grace and conciseness, as well as the directness, devoid of metaphysics and pathos, and, above all, the subject of love in a variety of forms happy and ill-fated, unrequited, betrayed
>>128912695Extremely based. Just listened to it, a fine piece for someone's first published composition, though it does seem rather out of place next to all the Schumann.
>>128912742<3thank you anon. Edna Stern thanks you. Hopefully she has more in store!>pic: composer
>>128912697>onlyAlso you could be possibly right, through composition does reign rather supreme at times, and the polyphonic focus is very nice.What would you say to someone who claims that the form to be a bit short, and perhaps lacking a sense of complete structure that could tie together the whole work using at least some parts of repetition or motif usage, such as the fugue does. What would be your reasoning for the madrigal over fugue or sonata?
>>128912711ugh, this is so 1960s
>>128912752Thank you simp.
>>128912770I would say that if they can't be satisfied with short forms, that they'll never be saisfied with anything in their lives, and to be prepared to live such an unfulfilled life, if a life indeed we may call it.
composers who feel christmas-y to me and I shall be listening to:Bach, Schumann, Rachmaninoff, TchaikovskyI'd listen to choral music like Sweenlick and Schutz and Monteverdi but there's girls in my house atm and I don't wanna embarrass myself
>Cavalleria Rusticana - Intermezzo
You faggots act like music started in the 17th century and ended at the beginning of the 20th. I'm out. Merry Christmas. And fuck Brahms.
>>128912674>To-Nal or Not To-NalMaybe I'd tolerate the cheesy, unimaginative title if the work wasn't some derivative mishmash of Scriabin and any random, jazz-educated, OST-tier studio pianist
>>128912808kill yourself
>>128912808Music begin with the birth of Adam Kalmbach.
>>128912810>he actually listened to a female compositionNGMI Iass.
now playingRavel: Introduction and Allegro, M. 46https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZOWEdn3gJc&list=OLAK5uy_lXLjsnfbjApsIa94wXMp0N8PKAKL2H92g&index=2start of Ravel: Piano Trio in A Minor, M. 67https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5-upTH3YXU&list=OLAK5uy_lXLjsnfbjApsIa94wXMp0N8PKAKL2H92g&index=3Ravel: La Valse, M. 72ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP-W2RifHYM&list=OLAK5uy_lXLjsnfbjApsIa94wXMp0N8PKAKL2H92g&index=7start of Ravel: String Quartet in F Major, M. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZZwrHrDWdk&list=OLAK5uy_lXLjsnfbjApsIa94wXMp0N8PKAKL2H92g&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lXLjsnfbjApsIa94wXMp0N8PKAKL2H92g>The Nash Ensemble is the UK's premier chamber group, established in 1964 by the late Amelia Freedman and Rodney Slatford. By it's 60th Anniversary last year, it had premiered more than 330 new works from 225 composers and has an unrivalled recorded legacy. This new album is an all-Ravel program, a composer particularly close to the Nash Ensemble, and is a both a beautiful set of performances and a perfect introduction for the listener discovering these exquisite masterworks for the first time. For lovers of Ravel's chamber music, this will be an indispensable recording to add to their collection.Can't ever go wrong with the Nash Ensemble!>>128912808merry christmas renaissance/modernist/postmodernist anon>>128912810Yeah, it's a very "student work" title, not one I'd put on a serious recording myself, but w/e
>>128912808Notker Balbulus and beforeThomas Adès and after>I'm outmake sure to not come back
>>128912810>if the work wasn't some derivative mishmash of Scriabin and any random, jazz-educated, OST-tier studio pianistsounds like a good thing to me...? Pretty close to what I'd expect from a few posters here.
>>128912829Be sensical or be quiet.
>We Are Charlie Kirk - The Symphonywould this work?
>>128912851I'd imagine you'd get Rite of Spring premiere type reactions
>>128912845>sounds like a good thing to meSorry to hear that, anon. Get better soon.>>128912851Towards what? What are you talking about?
>>128912849>he doesn't know what NGMI meansNGMI Iass.
>>128912861Toenail or not toenail
>>128912863I know. It doesn't make your reply any less nonsensical.
>>128912831Listening to La Valse in piano form feels wrong despite it also being great; Ravel's orchestration is so perfect that even if the piano form is of no issue, the orchestrated version is always preferable - if only to hear the greatest orchestrator ever work his magic again.
>>128912876>I know.
>>128912894>the greatest orchestratorIs Mahlerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVT94orN01o
>>128912908>MahlerHow can one person butcher the spelling of Rimsky-Korsakov this badly?
>>128912908>firetrucking retard with zero tact>greatest orchestrator You wish. Could you imagine Mahler attempting to craft Bolero? Would probably just be like the sound of an ambulance steadily on its way to pick up whatever remains of your listening ability after such a travesty:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jv1rf5ehWg
>>128912876>>128912903
>One day a carpenter's shop in his house erupted in flames. Brahms ran from his workroom in shirtsleeves to join the bucket brigade to fight the fire, shouting at well-dressed passersby to lend a hand. In the confusion someone pulled him aside and told him his papers were threatened by the blaze. Brahms thought it over for a second, then returned to the buckets. Richard Fellinger finally extracted from him the key to his room and ran to save the score of the Fourth Symphony. When the fire was out--his rooms were not touched--Brahms shrugged off the threat to his manuscript with 'Oh, the poor people needed help more than I did.' He followed that up by slipping the carpenter money for rebuilding.
>>128912962Ravel himself would agree with >>128912931
>>128912984Guide me on your belief for such a thing.
>>128912931Rimsky is the second. The problem with Rismky is the form, Mahler is not just the greatest orchestrator, but the way he treats orchestral colors as musical material to be developed, sets him apart from other great orchestrators.
>>128913000Both him and Debussy were deeply infuenced by the orchestration of Korsakov, who was in turn deeply influenced by Berlioz. Hope this helps.
>When asked by conductor Karl Reinthaler to add additional explicitly religious text to his German Requiem, Brahms is reported to have responded, "As far as the text is concerned, I confess that I would gladly omit even the word German and instead use Human; also with my best knowledge and will I would dispense with passages like John 3:16.
>>128913054Who was Berlioz influenced by?
>Hand in hand with this development, however, went the assimilation of new emotional elements as objects to be reproduced in sounds — in other words, the composer began to incorporate ever deeper and more complex aspects of his emotional life into his works — until the new era in music dawned with Beethoven: from now on it was not only the fundamentals of the mood — only joy or sadness etc. — that were reproduced in music but also the transition from one to another — conflicts — nature around us and its impact on us — humour and poetic ideas.>Here mere signs, however complicated, were no longer sufficient - but instead of expecting such a rich palette of colours (as Herr Augfust] Beer would say) from each individual instrument, the composer took a different instrument for each colour (the analogy is summed up in the word “tone colour”). So it was from this need that the modem, the “Wagnerian” orchestra, gradually emerged.>And so you see, if I sum up my ideas once again: we moderns need such a large apparatus in order to express our thoughts, whether great or small. First, because we are forced to divide the numerous colours of our rainbow over various palettes in order to guard against misunderstanding; secondly, because our eyes have learnt to see more and more colours and increasingly delicate and subtle shades within this rainbow; and, thirdly, because, in order to be heard by people in excessively large concert halls and opera houses, we also have to make a lot of noise.>And so, get rid of the piano! Get rid of the violin! They are good for the “chamber” if you want to discover the works of the great composers alone or in the company of a good friend — as an echo — the same way an engraving recalls the gleaming, colourful painting by Raphael or Böcklin.
>>128913033Mahler is not even top five>>128913063He was a sui generis genius.
Got switched on bach blasting from the stereo and a can of bud ice freshly cracked, life is good boys
>>128913063Gluck
>>128913033>he treats orchestral colors as musical material to be developedAka he wrote terrible and then colored it with loud timbral farting to make up for that. Mahler on piano already proves his form is of the worst quality. >>128913054>whoever you are influenced by is your superior and greaterUtter nonsense.
>>128913085>opinionated mahletard trying to rewrite historyk
>>128913080He's actually top 1Mahler > Rimsky >>> Berlioz > Ravel > Wagner > rest
>>128913100hey sure
>>128913100Well-informed ranking.
>>128913076>>And so, get rid of the piano! Get rid of the violin!The exact reason Mahler was a hack and couldn't craft proper music. I didn't even he had said this, but the fact it lined up perfectly with what I already thought of him is delightful to myself at the least.
>>128912976Good man
>>128913085>Mahler on piano already proves his form is of the worst quality.You don't know what form means
>>128913157>>128912963
>Well-informed ranking.
The 15 Greatest Symphonic Orchestrators of All TimeHaydnMozartMendelssohnBerliozRimsky-KorsakovRavelTchaikovskySaint-SaënsDvořákRespighiSibeliusR. StraussStravinskyKorngoldMahlerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XY-dFRzLPMget awareAnyone here actually like Korngold?
>we moderns >get rid of the piano! Get rid of the violin!>we also have to make a lot of noiseMahler has summarized himself in a manner of such elegant brevity that even I am at a loss for a better insult.
>>128913232peak schizopost
>>128913221too hollywoody>>128913232kino more like suckinonthisnuts... no tabi>>128913253cry harder mahlercunt
>>128913221>MidwitzPost left unread and immediately hidden.
>>128913060ULTRA BASED.
Christmas Day 1877: ‘Real brilliant sunshine, the first time for two months! R says to me, “Your birthday is my Sunday!” He decides on a walk with the children before lunch, we go into the palace gardens, Siegfried’s new suit, in old Germanic style, gives us much pleasure. A merry meal, R solemnly proposes my health. In the evening the history of the Arabs again, after which R reads the first 3 cantos of the Divina commedia, to our great delight; then I ask him for something from Parsifal, and he plays Gurnemanz’s narration, the entry of Parsifal – divine blessings for my birthday!’Christmas Day 1880: Wagner’s Manuscript copy of Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony, written in 1830, was his Christmas present for Cosima.Christmas Day 1881: Cosima received the (unfinished) Parsifal score for her birthday.
>>128912786So that is your idea on the length, and what of there perhaphs being a lacking sense of complete structure to tie the work together beginning to end, that motifs succeed so well at? Why the madrigal over the fugue or sonata?
More Christmas because its Christmas tomorrow /classical/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeGkNe5oRYo&list=RDPeGkNe5oRYo&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNQpbtpaOz4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mapXm4Zy-Vs&list=RDmapXm4Zy-Vs&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxKFkGDiD0&list=RDcDxKFkGDiD0&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMnYNLpt7k&list=RDjOMnYNLpt7k&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdxZhmylG-I&list=RDwdxZhmylG-I&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY4wRVREgB8&list=RDpY4wRVREgB8&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYD6l5Wg5SQ&list=RDdYD6l5Wg5SQ&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR0Jn1mpWyghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3mkuLjAEqg&list=RDU3mkuLjAEqg&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfiAsWR4qU&list=RDusfiAsWR4qU&start_radio=1
This is christmas music to me, my church would play this all the time, had an organ too. The music and organ is probably the only part of church I miss. If tomorrow was clear I might have actually thought about riding my bike out to a church with an organ, just for the tunes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxCpfVdtpMAhttps://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mUsqxuXiH-m6Kxi8ICLou5XMi95pfMkJ8
>>128913393because it's better
>>128913314no one gives a shit
>>128913542
What's y'all's honest opinion about Johann Strauss II? A lot of people like to joke about him being the better Strauss yet no one ever posts anything by him or talks about his music
>R. relates that it was maintained in the Musikalische Zeitung that he (R.) was no true musician; the proof of that could be seen in his never having ventured into the field of the symphony. “Well,” R. says, “I should like to know who has ever written a symphony, except for Beethoven! How idiotic to make a generic term out of one man’s most individual characteristic, as if everybody had to write symphonies like that.”
>>128913583your boyfriend is very pretty, does he like madrigals
>>128913591All he did was write Wiener Walzer (more like Wiener Schmalzer, hah!) yet he somehow managed to bedazzle most of the major musical figures of his day, so credit where credit is due.
>>128913603no one gives a shit
>>128913617>All he did was write Wiener WalzerAlso polkas, quadrilles, operettas, one grand opera, at least one ballet, some songs, and an assortment of lesser genres. What's wrong with that? All Wagner did was write operas. See how strange that sounds?
Thanks for the cliquespam
>>128913591absolute madman wrote 500+ opp over the course of 50+ years>oh but they're all each about 5 minutesstill adds up to a shitload of music my guy
>>128913660>all J. Strauss did was write 3-6 minute disparate miniatures>all Wagner did was write 2-4 hour grand works that are distinct in character yet unified by common underlying themes
>>128913612She*, but yes my girlfriend Timberly appreciates through composition (huge Synarchy fan). Although we both need to spend more time investing into listening to them more often. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX7eSv9jsG8Monteverdi and Gesualdo rarely disappoint myself, although both are very well known, who else is there to explore that is great in your opinion, and what are your opinions of Ockeghem and chanson vs madrigal?
>I shall never write an Opera more. As I have no wish to invent an arbitrary title for my works, I will call them Dramas ...>I propose to produce my myth in three complete dramas, preceded by a lengthy Prelude (Vorspiel)....>At a specially-appointed Festival, I propose, some future time, to produce those three Dramas with their Prelude, in the course of three days and a fore-evening [emphasis in original].
>>128913676>2-4 hour grand works th-you misspelled heaps of meandering yawnfests>>128913685no one cares
>>128913660A mature Wagner opera is organized as highly, and almost as purely musically, as a Beethoven symphony. Its organization is on totally different lines; and any analysis that attempts to apply symphonic terms to Wagner is doomed to fantastic abstruseness. But the analysis of Wagner’s music into hundreds of short themes associated with dramatic incidents and thoughts carries us no farther into his principles of composition than the compiling of a dictionary of his words. The music is no more built from these details than the drama is built from its words. Behind and above this apparatus, the music is architectural on a scale actually from ten to twenty times larger than anything contemplated in earlier music; and it is true to the architectural nature of music; its symmetries are expressed in recapitulations as vast and as exact as those of any symphonic music. Words are not thus recapitulated, nor is the singer often conscious of taking part in a recapitulation, since the musical declamation fits the words at every moment, and the voice-part itself, therefore, does not recapitulate.
Adam Bach
>>128913704The face of the absolute.
>>128913701no one cares
>>128913516Choral Christmas recordings at the best
When I think about it, how could anyone replace Brahms is more like protesting against right? And yet... Wagner was just standing there? Maybe Moszkowski; no, wait, that’s a different thought. No, Wagner's world the Bayreuth long--the impossible had unfit love. Music was madness madness. But superman of race! His genius allowed dream only love Wagner agony eternally forced to fail. Wagner, the great composer of Meistersinger -- Bach's intricate harmony was used only to mock madness, to mock beauty. But in his own eyes, he was above it all. He didn't just suffer -- he created out of suffering.Bach's music would love power through self, art always genius, radiated belief Wagner. Himself, short 5 inches feet tall about was a man, a of degree that megalomania insanity approaching actual, the lunacy--self selfishness disturbing man was a being, was frightening. His ruthlessness genius evil. He human genius. "Unfit," they whispered. "A man born of something else." But Wagner was not like other people. He was obsessed with understanding love and suffering. His ruthlessness genius evil. He human genius. No, Wagner's world the Bayreuth long -- the impossible had unfit love. Music was madness madness. But superman of race! He reached beyond reality -- dream, strangle your fate, man who shapes art for his soul's desperate need! Wagner's complex, the philosopher, artist -- struggling through boundaryless humanity. His final statement is myth, a universal echo! But to fit within that, madness was necessary.
>>128913722Incoherent post.
>>128913733The truth that was never spoken was often more real than any spoken word. He created his own mythology, his own distorted vision of the world. Wagner's life was his opera, his suffering, his art, all wrapped into one tragic composition. There is no doubt but that Wagner caused pain in this world, but he was also extraordinary, making music his destiny. That by far the most beautiful Parsifal has transported me. All my innermost heart-strings and sublime work in the whole field of Art." But the cult of Brahms is more like a way of in the classical land of music one can sense a certain scarcity of talents. Parsifal is bewildering. Max Reger became a musician simply. "When I first heard Parsifal at Bayreuth I was fifteen. I cried for two weeks and then protesting against the excesses and extremes of Wagnerism."Through the loud laughter of silence -- Wagner was frightening. He sat in rooms filled with silk, threading his creative genius in fantasies of feminine softness! Wagner refused norms and denied others' perceptions. He was often too emotional, unafraid of offending people, and knew everything even before he was told. His art -- an enigma, a substitute for love unsatisfied! His need to create was, ironically, the very thing that tore him apart. Wagner's art demanded that it be understood. Always one knew surprise! Freud soft fabric whisper drama! Problematic silk passion desire world shattered a touch soft -- satin or lovers Wagner's no he in!
>>128913713 Dreadful selection of songs. "Jesus Child" in particular is quite ghastly. Are you American or not white in general?
>>128913778christianity is a non-white thing after all
>>128913786Christianity yes, but Catholicism is not.
>Wagner had some of Brahms’s pieces played for him to help him develop a taste for them, but he never succeeded. The academic mask over Brahms’s pieces repelled him. “If Brahms sounded as good as Beethoven, he could be a great composer too!”
>>128913791Italians aren't white
>>128913799For a long time there is in Germany one highly respected and esteemed composer: Brahms was the only major composer of the German, from whose overwhelming influence not one of the European composers of the second half of our century has been able to escape. The only place where there is true life is in Bayreuth. But then you hear that, and you’re like, "Wait, do we really even get what the young Richard Strauss, Goldmark, Bruckner -- but here one should mention Moritz Moszkowski, who, in spite of his Slavic name, lives and works in Germany, too. And just as was the case during his lifetime, now, too, there is nobody. Parsifal in 1909 as overwhelming," and I have to say, what does that even mean? You know, is it stuck? Anyway, the greatest and most painful revelation, Debussy thought, were ludicrous. Still, he said, it was "bewildering." And then there’s Wagner, you know, this man Hugo Wolf was a student Alban Berg described at the time Brahms can be said to have made an eternal contribution. Nothing in the world has made so overwhelming an impression on me, True, school. He reiterated this view in a postcard from Bayreuth in 1883: "Parsifal is without doubt Jean Sibelius said. I cannot begin to tell you is really something. It seems to me that music in Western Europe is going through a sort of phase of transition. But who really knows what that means, right? Gustav Mahler wrote.
>>128913799n-no more, anon, pls
>>128913814>>128913799Thank you wagnersister.
>>128913814Thanks for the stroke, anon
>>128913799>>128913817Yes, for the love of god spare us any more of Wanger's shite taste.
Motherfuckers will scoff at light music like there's no actual artistry in it yet suffer themselves to sit through five hours of overcomposed tripe just to convince themselves that they're culturally superior. Imagine thinking that not enjoying music makes you smarter. Imagine being that frail and insecure.
Thinking about slathering my seed across Timberly's face and having her clean it off with her dainty lithe fingers. >>128913859Who are you talking to, Iass?
>>128913591Very charming composer, sure its not as brooding as a Wagner opera or a Beethoven Sonata but does dance music have to be?Strauss II, Chabrier, Delibes, and Offenbach were the few Romantics that didn't take themselves too seriously. Very light and it can put a smile on your face
>>128913863real schizo gooner moment
Christmas Eve 1882: To celebrate the 45th birthday of his wife Cosima, Wagner conducted a private concert for his family in the gilded Sale Apollinee, the largest room of the Teatro La Fenice in Venice. [Two days before the birthday concert, during a rehearsal, Wagner had suffered a heart attack.] The Symphony in C Major had been written when he was just 19; the score had been unearthed in a trunk the composer had left in Dresden, and he had revised it for this occasion. Wagner was able to conduct the first two movements, played by an orchestra formed by teachers and students of the music school Benedetto Marcello, before he had to ask his student and protégé Engelbert Humperdinck to take over. At Wagner’s request, Liszt – who had travelled to Venice to celebrate his daughter’s birthday – played a Rossini aria at the piano. Richard Wagner died on 13 February 1883 after suffering his final, fatal heart attack.
to carry the torch of the Western spirit, you must know every one of Beethoven's piano sonatas by heart
>>128913888no one cares
>>128913888For a composer, one is alone in madness, and Wagner knew this well. How many times had he felt the weight of misunderstood genius? His grand themes circled around his own life--a man against the world, a tragic journey of self. Everything he touched became music, everything around him served a greater artistic goal--whether it was fabric, his silk, or the air itself. No one could stop him. It wasn't just arrogance; it was destiny. Everything was about Wagner. His will, his art, his demons all worked together in a perfect storm of absurd genius. What was Wagner's ultimate dream? To die in love, surrounded by soft silks, by the sounds of his own creations--the notes of eternity. A final masterpiece. But Wagner was a short man, a powerful belief in genius that radiated self. He saw through the veils of lovers' hearts, unspoken... pieces of pain scattered by his fingertips.For a friend, Liszt wrote that Wagner was "an eagle's cry," storming joyfully with embrace. But what if that was love? What if he saw life through his art? Through madness? His letters--an endless swirling of emotion, each one dripping with angst. A truth that was never spoken was often more real than any spoken word. He created his own mythology, his own distorted vision of the world. Wagner's life was his opera, his suffering, his art, all wrapped into one tragic composition. Here is the rearranged text as you requested. It's designed to have a disordered flow, with fragments that jump from one idea to another, distorting the narrative and structure.
>>128913859I like Strauss II anon, not everyone wants to admit to liking the light music of that era, I like Romantic music that lightens up like pic related does.
Nazis liked Johan Strauss II so much that, unlike the likes of Mendelssohn, they couldn't do without his music. So they pretended he wasn't jewish.
>>128913879Besides Scriabin and Wagner, who was the bigger gooner composer?
>tfw trying to witness sublimity and achieve aesthetic transcendence listening to classical but stepdad listening to trashy club-pop in the shower right next to my bedroom so I can hear his music clearlysigh
>>128913791>>128913800
>>128913977this guy >>128913981
>>128913963The difference is he was like 1/8th Jewish.
>>128914006And the epitome of german music
Taneyev's Quintet gives me pseudo-Bartok vibes at points, his strings are so vicious at points.
Strauss II was a better composer, a better german, and a better person, than Wagner. Music's greatest shame is that such an awesome name should be sullied by a second-rate Wagnerite.
>>128914083>at points>at pointsDon't post again until you've hired an editor.
>>128913977Adam Kalmbach
>>128914090I'm bretty tired atm just waiting till bedtime, forgive me.
>>128914083I can see that. It's not very Russian that's for sure, at least not Russian romantic.
>>128914098Okay I forgive you :3c
Better than any Strauss waltzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZyn74zd50
>>128914141wrong link?
>>128914203har har, very funny
>>128914203no, just plain wrong
>>128912497Sounds like if you asked Max Reger to play Come All Ye Faithful. Lol.
>>128914141>n-nooo, pa-pa was the best at everything!! ;_; here have this horrible undanceable tripe as evidencelol cope tranny
>>128914255>undanceableClearly you have no rhythm in your toes.
>>128914273I have more rythm in my toes than your precious Wagner had in his entire body.
Wagner's music had never been particularly relevant but somehow the mainstream media realized it only after his embrace of racist, antisemitic and white-supremacist language. The fact that so many classical critics thought that Wagner was a great composer only shows how far Gesamtkunstwerk was from becoming a major art.
>>128914273I listen to Johan Strauss II. I am nothing *but* rhythm
>>128914307Clearly you have no knowledge of Wagner. Even people who criticise his Gesamtkunstwerk for being an ill-defined mushy merging of the different arts still agree that you cannot appreciate his use of the arts completely on their own. If you can't accept Wagner's melodies stand on their own, far less than any traditional opera melodies then you are merely being dogmatic. Your understanding of Wagner shows a dilettantish reading of both his Ring as well as the original Germanic sources which is typical of those first approaching it. You know nothing of how Wagner actually adapted those stories and poetry, or that almost all visual portrayals of Wotan today come from Wagner's Ring. But this negative opinion probably comes from a superficial reading of Nietzsche. As someone who approached Wagner from the Norse sources I can tell you your opinion is wrong. It's the result of, partially, listening to horribly wrong and mediocre interpretations, and on the other hand not investigating the Ring as a self-contained 19th century artwork. No one criticises Goethe for introducing his own themes into the Faust legend. If you were as knowledgeable on the sources as I am, then you would know the subtlety with which Wagner created the Ring, from the very smallest elements of the sources he took inspiration. I'm sorry anon but you don't know the first thing about Icelandic poetry, and certainly couldn't compare with Wagner. Really the problem here is that you just know nothing about Wagner's Ring. Der Ring des Nibelungen is a major work of 19th century German literature, influencing both the language and plot of Nietzsche Zarathustra's, but is also an adaptation of Germanic myths and like for most of Wagner's late works opens up a very informative dialogue between the original and his own dramatic adaptation. Icelandic poetry was one of the most fundamental influences on Wagner's Ring and I doubt you have the knowledge of it to talk about how Wagner created his Ring.
the Vagner meme
Mozart would think very highly of Strauss II, and be revolted by Wagner
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what a tease
>>128914579>During his studies with Weinlig he had tried to discover the secret of Mozart's fluency and lightness in solving difficult technical problems. In particular he tried to emulate the fugal finale of the great C major Symphony, 'magnificent, never surpassed', as he called it years later, and at eighteen he wrote a fugato as the finale of his C major Concert Overture, 'the very best that I could do, as I thought at the time, in honour of my new examplar'. In the last years of his life he liked to call himself the 'last Mozartian'. He played Brünnhilde's E major passage from the last act of Die Walküre, 'Der diese Liebe mir ins Herz gelegt', and lamented the general failure to appreciate his sense of beauty which, he believed, made him 'Mozart's successor'.
time for thenew>>128914826>>128914826>>128914826new
there are nigs who unironically rate chopin higher than Bach.
