Historically accurate firetruck editionhttps://youtu.be/-2CSRfs2KaEThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>128941263
Mozart = KantBeethoven = HegelSimple as
Free Palestinea
Rach 2 mogs most of your orchestra only pseuds like Mahler. The piano is just too kino of an instrument https://youtu.be/rEGOihjqO9w
>>128948891Is that Bryan Ferry in the middle
>>128948898I don't think either one was particularity known for intellectual ideas. Are there any composers who seemed to have actual philosophical interest and showed in it their thoughts? Medtner seems to be a very clear and blatant Platonist (wrapped in Christian belief), obviously Fagner liked Nietzche, although based on the wagnertranny's quotes Wagner also made it abundantly obvious he is incapable of speaking in a coherent manner.
>>128948891Too slow, not expressivr enough.>>128948907AwfulTerrible performances.Gimme Giwseking, Horowitz or Rachmaninoffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QRIrdiVS08&list=OLAK5uy_mJanaqu4ViJZdhktHnmfDFtx96Zjnrs0I&index=9Litton/Hough if we sacrifice interpretation for recording quality.
>>128948922Wagner and Nietzsche famously hated each other
>>128948922>>>/metal/
>>128948907you invented a category of people theres no way theres really orchestra only retards
>>128948932that's the kind of thing that happens when you ruin your ears with metal
>>128948932>theres no way theres really orchestra only retardsHaven't been in this general lately, have you?
cant get over portraits of vivaldi. he looks like such a dork like michael cera of 1642. you just know he sucked dick
Wagner = Schopenhauer Scriabin = Nietzsche
>>128948930Ah, so you are indeed a Fagnertranny as well. The B.M.W. group of horn fating idiots are clearly inseparable, and who can blame their fans? One loud horn farting is of the other, no clear distinction could be made between them.
>>128948942I think the opposite. When you listen to genres like shital for too long, drums become a necessity in music (even if you pretend to dislike it), and since piano is a percussive instrument, it serves as a replacement of drums. Africanized minds like piano and chamber music, sophisitcated souls worship symphonists.
>>128948956>>>/metal/
Still listening through the music of last thread. Can you guys hold your horses before posting more music, ill be here all day at this rate.
>>128948929I thought originally Wagner and Nietzche were very fond of each other, and only after some time where Nietzche devoted himself to the worship of desert people that they began to have large differences.
Finally found someone who hates Wagner as much as me
>>128948959yes, i was referring to the invention of a category that could only be conceived of by the half-deaf and half-educated, not the orchestra only thing.
>>128948959Why did you post this when loud drums are a part of the firetrucker's gimmick portfolio? You should think more deeply about your shitposts, norseposter.
There is no going higher. You reached the summit.
>>128948959>Africanized minds like piano and chamber music,Yes, this is why the Viennese worshipped symphonies and nowdays piano and chamber music are so popular. A Beethoven symphony was a marvel - a Beethoven sonata merely an exercise
>>128948981If you're going to try and revive a meme from 2013, please refer to the chart >>128948891
>>128948959kek
>>128948983They were polar opposites. Schoppy hated nationalism
>>128948990They were not polar opposites in the matters where he influenced Wagner.
>I HEARD, once again for the first time, Richard Wagner's overture to the Mastersinger: it is a piece of magnificent, gorgeous, heavy, latter-day art, which has the pride to presuppose two centuries of music as still living, in order that it may be understood:—it is an honour to Germans that such a pride did not miscalculate! What flavours and forces, what seasons and climes do we not find mingled in it! It impresses us at one time as ancient, at another time as foreign, bitter, and too modern, it is as arbitrary as it is pompously traditional, it is not infrequently roguish, still oftener rough and coarse—it has fire and courage, and at the same time the loose, dun-coloured skin of fruits which ripen too late. It flows broad and full: and suddenly there is a moment of inexplicable hesitation, like a gap that opens between cause and effect, an oppression that makes us dream, almost a nightmare; but already it broadens and widens anew, the old stream of delight—the most manifold delight,—of old and new happiness; including ESPECIALLY the joy of the artist in himself, which he refuses to conceal, his astonished, happy cognizance of his mastery of the expedients here employed, the new, newly acquired, imperfectly tested expedients of art which he apparently betrays to us.
Stravinsky would be Heidegger
>>128948988The chart is irrelevant, whatever was written in the past is of no concern to myself - the actual B.M.W. trio are far and away infinitely worse than anyone else on that list.
>>128948983>Schopenhauer, as it turns out, had no use—and no ear—for Wagner’s chromatic harmonies. Wagner sent him a beautifully bound copy of the Ring with the inscription, “from respect and gratitude.” The grouchy philosopher was not impressed. He instructed the Swiss journalist, Franz Wille, to convey a message to his friend Wagner: “but tell him that he should stop writing music. His genius is greater as a poet. I, Schopenhauer, remain faithful to Rossini and Mozart.”[3] The response was rude but not surprising, since Schopenhauer, who played the flute (not, like Nietzsche, the piano), was a lover of diatonic catchy tunes.uh wagnersissies? our response?
Its kind of funny how terrible Nietzsches music was. He clearly misunderstands the essence of classical and just spews out some untamed schizophrenic garbblehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2afrV4f-9EI
B.M.W. being the abbreviation of the loudest and most obnoxious composers to have ever existed is so perfect you would almost think it was a divine joke from the heavens. >>128949003Yes well, Nietzche's philosophical writings are of an equally bad quality, so it is not surprising.
Why does this general talk about Wagner so much. Any talent he might have had he wasted on outdated musical practices instead of driving music forward.
>brahmscuck cope
>>128949011Wagner.
>>128948999the firetruck meme never had anything to do with timbre, orchestras, drums, or loud brassy noises, which was merely a felicitous coincidence that helped the joke carry. it was about the tastes and inhibitions of the nineteenth century bourgeois. the fact that you don't even understand this tripfag joke from over a decade ago, never mind the music it describes, is why you need to go back to >>>/metal/
Listening to BMW 599-644 right now
>>128949008Nietzsche is the last philosopher; all post-nietzschean philosophy is philology or something not metaphysical. When Nietzsche kills God, he ends all metaphysics and thus philosophy in its older definition. What's left is the search for the Being and existentialism. Both are reactions to the destruction of metanarratives implied by Nietzsche's death of God and Zarathustra. The death of God (see Heidegger's Holzwege) is the end of metaphysics; Zarathustra is the end of philosophy; Zarathustra is not a philosopher nor does he practice philosophy; Zarathustra has gotten past philosophy. Thus, as mentioned hitherto, these two currents (existentialism and the search for the Being) are reactions to the destruction of metanarratives of philosophy.Existentialists react by saying they're thrown into the world and start crying around like pansies, before 'revolting' and thus finding an excuse to live.German phenomenologists react by getting their shit together, deconstructing metaphysics to reach the Being and chill out with Hitler.
>>128948999>worse than anyone else on that list.>worseThe list does not portray those composers as 'bad', though? In fact the opposite is true, which makes me question why Chopin isn't there, he should be.
Since sound wave is a naturally occurring phenomena in the universe then chances are that the alien life if there exist any, could possess an analogous organ to the human ear, imagine what would happen if we manage to make contact with the aliens in due time, just what will we show them? A bunch of naked feminists on the streets shouting "feel the nipple" or a furry rally passing through the streets of moscow or a bunch of angry bigotted chuds fighting meaningless battles online? How will we introduce them to our culture?We will show the aliens true "Human Excellence". Our mastery of art and music. We will show them "Wagner".This is it. The end. The peak. The Finale.https://youtu.be/J8UzmAgGdlU?si=uPwHxAf-x1XckQ-G
Anyone else get introduced to classical from Fantasia?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4AU3V58gqY
>>128949023>A bunch of naked feminists on the streets shouting "feel the nipple"Forgot this one
>>128949023>just what will we show them?Brahms piano quintet.
Adorno is with SchoenbergGoes without saying really
>>128949016You have merely rearranged the "meme" to reach the same result. For you say it "never had anything to do with timbre, orchestras, drums, or loud brassy noises", and was actually "about the tastes and inhibitions of the nineteenth century bourgeois".Yet obvious to all, is that "timbre, orchestras, drums, or loud brassy noises" was the worst of the gradutious ways they reached for and satified the "tastes and inhibitions of the nineteenth century bourgeois".In reality you are just an angry fellow intent not on putting forth any coherent criticism, but rather just to find any avenue of attack, even if it means to simply be saying not much of anything should one simply just think about your words for longer than a few seconds. Evidently this has most sprung up because of your deep love and respect for the B.M.W trio, as you become the most clearly agitated and prone to outbursts when they are insulted.I'm sorry, but I simply shall not be respecting the firetrucker trio today, nor tomorrow!
>brahms mentioned only 3 times>w*gner mentionex 15 timesWe can't let this happen. Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms
>>128949032Schoenberg hated Adorno
I have no idea what this firetruck shit is
>>128949021because Tallis liked Chopin and Mendelssohn, another composer very popular with especially the British bourgeoisie not included there. he also liked Berlioz, another obvious omission.>>128949034>>>/metal/
>>128949034Im now to these threads, BMW = Beethoven Mozart Wagner? Or have I lost the plot
>>128949047B.M.W = Bruckner, Mahler, Wagner. The three kings of an inability to write for chamber, for solo instrument, and lords of timbral gimmickery.
>>128949047new to these threads*
>>128949041Chopin also played, taught and was close friends with the wealthiest, most powerful family on the planet. In fact he might've been the closest composer to the Rothschilds, beloved by the aristocracy, and he was also the greatest of all, coincidence?
The harpsichord is growing on mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-gL2IZ7ZT0
>>128949019>Zarathustra is not a philosopher nor does he practice philosophy; Zarathustra has gotten past philosophyThat would be correct: Nietzche is not a philosopher, does not practice philosophy, and never wrote anything of worth.
Nietzsche was mentally ill but he was still a smart man. Philosophy isn't about just outright denying or agreeing with something, its a progressive nodding into
>The work was dedicated to Baroness Charlotte de Rothschild, wife of Nathaniel de Rothschild, who had invited Chopin to play in her Parisian residence, where she introduced him to the aristocracy and nobility. Why is that whenever there is a spark of 'divine' excellence in art, it is always in connection to the jews? Not the 2000 year old rabbi myth mind you, but Yahweh.>piano roll 100x times more expressive than modern interpretationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfHbGwWs4jo
I wish more composers composed for my instrument
>>128949062>The harpsichord is growing on meAre you ready to take the Scarlattipill? A mere 555 sonatas await your ears. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMGeMNhrETw>>128949093>having sex with hookers until you horribly die of syphilis after slowly losing your mind to it, while also having your sister rewrite your garbage into Hitlerian propaganda, which was probably still of a higher quality than the original writingsHis death was an honorable as his writings were.
>>128949023>“One can’t judge Wagner’s opera Lohengrin after a first hearing, and i certainly don’t intend hearing it a second time.” - Rossini>"He is endowed with such insolent conceit that criticism cannot touch his heart – admitting that he has a heart, which I doubt. ” - Bizet>“He cannot write or think out four consecutive bars of beautiful, or even good music.” - Schumann>"Wagner has beautiful moments, but awful quarters of an hour" - Rossini>"When the Schumann’s moved to Dresden, Wagner was already engaged as a bandmaster in the city until the 1848 Revolution. Schumann wrote a one-sentence review of a performance of Fidelio in 1848, “Bad performance; incomprehensible tempi taken by the conductor, Richard Wagner.” And he mercilessly attacked Wagner’s compositions on the grounds that they were simply bad music, calling them “paltry, downright amateurish, formless, and repellent.” - Schumann>"So this is what Wagner's opera reform is striving after? Composers in the past sought to delight people with their music; now what they do instead is to torment and exhaust them. Of course, there are wondrous details, but everything taken together is frightfully boring!! - Tchaikovksy
>>128949114I can't trust any composer who writes over 50 of something. You just know they aren't taking it that seriously and are just trying to push out music for money or wahever
>>128949114He inspired virtually every important philosopher that came after him. If he was smart enough for those dudes then Ill take him seriously
>>128949101>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfHbGwWs4joReplying to myself, I'm utterly blown away by this. Such a singing tone, true polyphony, seamless transition between different sections, dreadfully blisful coda, and so much expression. Highly rec to anyone who gives a shit about real Chopin performances.
Arabesque sounds nothing like an Arabian song
Who are the best non-white classical composers?
>>128949062my condolences
>>128949153Beethoven
What piece would you want played at your funeral?
>>128949153Greatest composer of all time is non-whitehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj0iP_VWwPA&list=OLAK5uy_lgQBefsD5MIbL75Ij1-OyGuNqtr1rIO3s&index=33
>>128949123I admit 555 is rather excessive, but that doesn't mean there isn't goodness in that large mountain of works. >>128949136>He inspired virtually every important philosopher that came after him.Explains why Philosophy has been such a dead form for so long, apparently leading an entirely embarrassing life where talking shit replaces actual structured rational thought is enough to be influenced by. The Uberman, nothing more than an idiot's Sage, repackaged in the formless rational of a mindless linguist influenced by a far greater and proper philosopher.
>>128949164Allegro for Mechanical Clock
>>128949167>muh rational thoughtlmao. human experience is more important
If, on the other hand, we estimate the worth of the Beautiful Arts by the culture they supply to the mind, and take as a standard the expansion of the faculties which must concur in the Judgement for cognition, Music will have the lowest place among them (as it has perhaps the highest among those arts which are valued for their pleasantness), because it merely plays with sensations. The formative arts are far before it in this point of view; for in putting the Imagination in a free play, which is also accordant with the Understanding, they at the same time carry on a serious business. This they do by producing a product that serves for concepts as a permanent self-commendatory vehicle for promoting their union with sensibility and thus, as it were, the urbanity of the higher cognitive powers. These two species of art take quite different courses; the first proceeds from sensations to indeterminate Ideas, the second from determinate Ideas to sensations. The latter produce permanent, the former only transitory impressions. The Imagination can recall the one and entertain itself pleasantly therewith; but the other either vanish entirely, or if they are recalled involuntarily by the Imagination they are rather wearisome than pleasant. Besides, there attaches to Music a certain want of urbanity from the fact that, chiefly from the character of its instruments, it extends its influence further than is desired (in the neighbourhood), and so as it were obtrudes itself, and does violence to the freedom of others who are not of the musical company. The Arts which appeal to the eyes do not do this; for we need only turn our eyes away, if we wish to avoid being impressed. The case of music is almost like that of the delight derived from a smell that diffuses itself widely. The man who pulls his perfumed handkerchief out of his pocket attracts the attention of all round him, even against their will, and he forces them, if they are to breathe at all, to enjoy the scent;
>>128949179Thank you retard.
Could go for a Brandenburger concerto for fork and knife right about now.
Roslavetshttps://youtu.be/lhi-ktxHcJU
>>128949187>Besides, there attaches to Music a certain want of urbanity from the fact that, chiefly from the character of its instruments, it extends its influence further than is desired (in the neighbourhood), and so as it were obtrudes itself, and does violence to the freedom of others who are not of the musical company. The Arts which appeal to the eyes do not do this; for we need only turn our eyes away, if we wish to avoid being impressed. The case of music is almost like that of the delight derived from a smell that diffuses itself widely. The man who pulls his perfumed handkerchief out of his pocket attracts the attention of all round him, even against their will, and he forces them, if they are to breathe at all, to enjoy the scent;Probably among the least worthwhile things I've read from Kant, really unintelligent stuff.
Just found out Hildegard von Bingen was a lesbian
>>128949215Hildergard is a meme.
>>128949224Correct.
Fairly recent (87) Ballade no.4 by Shura Cherkassky:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ztwNzE9NEVery underwhelming after Friedman's heart-wrenching (piano-roll) performance, but quite good. Some attempts are polyphony and quality tone, I just wish he had that hand independence of Friedman and Cortot.
>>128949243>areat*
>>128949224No
>By the age of 30, Chesnokov had completed nearly four hundred sacred choral works, but his proliferation of church music came to a standstill at the time of the Russian revolution. Under communist rule, no one was permitted to produce any form of sacred art. So in response, he composed an additional hundred secular works, and conducted secular choirs like the Moscow Academy Choir and the Bolshoi Theatre Choir. In the Soviet era religion was often under oppression. The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour,[1] whose last choirmaster had been Chesnokov, was destroyed, which disturbed him so deeply that he stopped writing music altogether.https://youtu.be/g8CpbSxBC_Q
The only sadder state than HISS are piano rolls. Worst of all: piano rolls are often HISS as well.
>>128949252The Soviets were so based early on, its a shame how things went under Stalin and beyond
>>128949252Wew Iass, the tone on that bass vocalist.
No one should be complaining about hiss in 2025 when there are a hundred different github scripts for removing hiss in audio.
>>128949261>under Stalin and beyondYou mean Lenin, he caused all of the fucking mess, Stalin was just the obvious dictator there to clean up the mess.
superior performance > superior sound
>>128949269You got a github script to change the crushed highs and lows of old recordings? Based! Do you also have one that turns piano rolls into a real performance?
>>128949273Lenin had to fight a civil war most the time he was in office. He was a great leader
>>128949281>Do you also have one that turns piano rolls into a real performance?You can get pretty damn close
>Ginzburg was best known for his piano touch that had ties with the tradition of 19th century players such as Franz Liszt. His eclectic repertoire and his art of transcription made of him one of the most unique performers in piano history. Already know I'm in for a quality 4th ballade herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVdOI0VeMD0>Warning: really strange recordingNext on:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWgUAhTveSY>>128949255We live in sad, decadent times. The singing tone of pianists such as Hofmann, Cortot or Caballe and Callas are no longer performed.>>128949276Correct.
Hiss + piano rolls is so garbage you might as well just listen to moog and synth performances. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGnIFAbRa1k
If you want to hear a truly angelic choral performance, listen to tschaikosvsky:https://youtu.be/OPlK5HwFxcwLiterally the closest you'll get in your life to hearing angelic music
>>128949283>destroys Russia out of selfishness, kills its artistic culture, and leads it into the worst dictatorship seen since Nero>He was a great leader
>>128949276I think you want /film/. We like sounds here
>>128949297Artistic culture was flourishing with new ideas under him but again his reign was mostly civil war and didn't have the chance to make to many great changes.
>>128949273And after Stalin died, so did the Soviet Union. >>128949252Based Soviets.
>>128949252Socialist realism was one of the worst thing to ever happen to art
>>128949306>Artistic culture was flourishingHe literally made composing nearly impossible for Roslavets, Stravinsky, Shoshkovich, Taneyev, and the rest of the Russians through either outright bans or complete financial choking. Have you even read a book? Do you even know anything about the person or movement you are praising?
Lenin is the Hitler of the left, for neither of their followers have any idea on anything they did or did not do. Their faces and names are merely symbolic images, with no relation to actual history or person. They have transcended physicality into being an abstracted idol or god.
>>128949036Thank your for fighting the good fight.
Thinking about pinching Timberly's nipples and getting a nasty rawrjob afterwards.
Prokofiev: Symphony No. 2 in D minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MaC62Lc71s
>>128949336They were curb stomping the lame ass romanticism of old and bringing in new exciting ideas
>>128949036Brahms is boring shit, like if England was a composer
Think its time to touch on some Haydn.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw3jxDcL22s>>128949451>bringing in new exciting ideasYou mean like calling Roslavets a "class enemy" for making music foreign to them? Keep your mouth shut, you sad embarrassment.
How did Russians go from backward peasants to world class composers in a span of like 10 years
>>128949418So much better than the neoclassical 1st.
>>128949463Lenin wanted to destroy every single piano in the USSR which is extremely based if you ask me
>>128949480Stop saying this
>>128949475Thank you retard.
>>128949468More like in the span of a century, and it was mostly thanks to Peter the great who realized western countries got the right idea and started mimicking them. It's also the reason why French as a language was incredibly popular in Russia and so much nobility wasn't even really Russian
Eisler - Leninhttps://youtu.be/S7rBt3gImT8
>>128949487It was actually a misplaced target, so do forgive me.>>128949468This >>128949490 is correct. Essentially it was just international exchange.
>>128949498>Hanns EislerDon't even need to look into the early life to notice who this rodential looking fellow has relations to.
>>128949490 Europe is the archtype, Russia is the poor imitator. That said, Russian composers (specifically Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff and alike) are great. Russians only managed to imitate the good art, and failed at everything else.
>""Property" is practically held to be more sacred than religion in our state-run society: for offence against the latter there is lenience, for damage to the former no forgiveness. Since property is deemed the foundation of our entire existence as a society, it seems all the more destructive that we do not all own property, and that the greatest part of society even comes disinherited into the world. Society is thus manifestly reduced by its own principle to such a state of dangerous discontent, that it is forced to estimate all its laws to the impossibly of settling this antagonism. Protection of property, in its widest universal legal sense — what armed force is selectively maintained for — can truly mean nothing else than a defence of the Haves [Besitzenden] against the Have-Nots [Nichtbesitzenden]. As many serious and keen calculating minds have applied themselves to the study of the problem before us, a solution to this — the final one perhaps being an equal distribution of all property — is something nobody has wished to bring to fruition [glücken wollen]; and it seems as if, through state exploitation of an apparently so simple a concept as property, a stake had been driven into the body of mankind that makes it waste away from the misery of a painful illness."
>>128949565>"Clever though be the many thoughts expressed by mouth or pen about the invention of money and its enormous value as a civiliser, against such praises should be set the curse to which it has always been doomed in song and legend. If gold here figures as the demon strangling manhood's innocence, our greatest poet shews at last the goblin's game of paper money. The Nibelung's fateful ring become a pocket-book, might well complete the eerie picture of the spectral world-controller. By the advocates of our Progressive Civilisation this rulership is indeed regarded as a spiritual, nay, a moral power; for vanished Faith is now replaced by "Credit," that fiction of our mutual honesty kept upright by the most elaborate safeguards against loss and trickery. What comes to pass beneath the benedictions of this Credit we now are witnessing, and seem inclined to lay all blame upon the Jews."
Am I the only one here who just doesn't "get" baroque. It all just seems like counterpoint wankery
>>128949490>>128949468Also why didn't Japan produce any notable composers when they also tried to copy the west. Japan had a bunch of decent writers who were able to copy western authors but when it comes to music nothing
>>128949574Am I the only one here who just doesn't "get" romantic. It all just seems like saccharine sentimentality.
>>128949591>when they also tried to copy the west.Because they didn't try to copy them in terms of music
Why does the UK have such a weak music tradition? I can't think of a single good British artist. Handel doesn't count because he's German
wetting my reed while lurkin
>>128949591Japan was late to the party, they only really opened up in the late 1800s and by then the age of great composers was already over. Russia got their foot in the door soon enough to develop a few decent schools of music
>>128949625Purcell.
>>128949681More like whocell >>128949625To answer your question: bongs have no SOVL so they don't know how to write music, the only good music is from the indigenous people ie scots, Welsh and Irish
>chair squeaks>starts humming loud enough that it becomes distractingwas this guy autistic or something
>>128949693>was this guy autisticYes>Perhaps the most discussed and most controversial issue relating to Gould’s health and personality is the claim that he had Asperger syndrome (now included within autism spectrum disorder). This claim has been passionately accepted, tentatively considered, or flatly denied by people who knew Gould personally and by doctors and scholars who have studied his life.>His ingestion of drugs increased over the years, especially after 1980; between January and September 1982, he was prescribed more than two thousand pills, including benzodiazepines, which have a high risk of dependency when taken continuously for a long time. It is very likely that he became addicted to some drugs, especially diazepam.>In such situations, when feeling some kind of physical or psychological discomfort, he tended toward pharmacological solutions, especially abusing tranquilizers; Cornelia Foss, as she noted in interviews, observed him taking up to ten Valium tablets a day.
>>128949690>More like whocellThank you retard.
>>128949580Rococo music only served as a building step towards the greater romantic music. Listen to the Art of Fugue, leave the rest to imbeciles.
>>128949681Purcell isn't that great. I just hear landfill baroque slop when I try to listen to him
>>128949693The funniest stories of his driving habits. He would nearly always drive insanely fast and would ignore stop signs.
>>128949703>>128949707>landfill baroque slopConsidering you spend your time listing to piano rolls of salon music, Purcell must be a grand step up in listening quality.
>>128949714>He would nearly always drive insanely fast and would ignore stop signs.Based Futurist!
>>128949716Go ahead and post something by him that actually sounds good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-5144TaYg
>>128949625renaissance england produced top-notch music: byrd, dowland, wilbye etc.
>>128949580listen to opera.
>>128949724Ok, he has one of the most famous Arias of all time, but I suppose when piano rolls are the height of your listening experience, you might not know of any. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX7xeT6Mtzs
>>128949779Ive heard better Ariashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IKOLRPpLKw
>>128949714So exactly like he played piano.
>>128949786
>>128949790lmao
Guy in the last thread said to avoid yo yo ma recordings. Should I?
>>128949714Utter chad He is mogging beyond the grave
>>128949802Literally soccer mom classical. Listen to someone with a bit more hair on their chest.
Any ideas?>>128949894
>>128949915they delete your off topic thread again?
>>128949915Ratthew (pic related) is the literal /mu/ janitor that turned /bleep/ into his blogspam general, and hangs out in /metal/ because no one else is there to listen to his schizophrenic spam on /bleep/ anymore. Listens to random electronic slop from the youtube algorithm all day. Also is literally a BPD/schizophrenic on quetiapine.
I think he's lost
>>128949935No, hes just figured out the most effective way to get hit by a car and die for zero reason: the dream of all deer.
>>128949931>>>/metal/
>>128949947Exactly, that is indeed where the rodential janitor hangs out all day.
In the mood for some Baroque suites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIjrRg4j6Xs
Baroque would be 100 times better without harpisorcs and pipe organs
>>128949983Nice, im listening to Handel's Water Sports Suites myself
>>128949993Harpsicords you could argue are lesser pianos (which is still better than many other instruments), but Organ is probably the only instrument that could easily make an argument for being superior to the piano. In fact I think you would need to make an argument for piano over the organ, than the reverse. >>128950009Admittedly in my experience Handel's suites are much better than Purcell's.
Favorite recordings of Rinaldo? Specifically with a male soprano/contralto, but not overly-HIP, with romantic passion and vibrato. Just consider this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqdFoRjL1Bk
these threads are moving too fast again aaaaAAAAHHHHhhhhh
>>128950026https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHZyqHT751Q
Baroque that isn't Bach, or Handel's choral music, is unlistenable.
>>128950032Yuletide is the best time to listen to and discuss classical.
>>128950043Thank you tourist. When we have need of your inexperience and lack of knowledge, we shall surely call upon it.
>>128949802He's very good, but not the end-all-be-all. Most of his recordings are very good. Some snoozers too though.
>>128949164Mahler 5 Adagietto just like JFK (by Bernstein!) into Brahms' German Requiem
You need music theory to even be able to enjoy Bach. It's a lot like Shakespeare, if you learn enough "writing theory" you discover Shakespeare is the best in history.I started to learn music composition and music theory the last months because I need music for my personal projects. Basic things like counterpoint, or being able to understand the structure of something, a fugue or a sonata form. It's pretty cool to start to count the rhythm and realize the entire piece is like a fractal, where there's superior melodies that are clearly invisible or impossible to view, meta melodies that are metaphysical in some sense; they're invisible structures, the dorsal spine of the piece. And how that meta structure repeats from the entire piece where a single measure of this giant invisible melody is about 5 minutes.Another cool thing is when you start to view music as a piece of literature, seeing how chords are archetypes in a story, and the type of chord is his emotion, and start to visualize a piece of instrumental music like a scene in a drama, and you see clearly how the melody acts like the actors in a stage play. And the key modulations are like scenery changes.It's not that difficult. See pic related. Put attention to how he repeats motifs, like the red circles, which he then start to repeat into bigger motifs (the blue circles), which he uses to build even bigger motifs.When you see Bach's music and start counting, start to be aware of his use of polyrhythms, of how he keeps layering rhythm on top of rhythm, it's an amazing experience.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddbxFi3-UO4
>>128950084This is a cope for mentally retarded people
>>128950043Monteverdi?
>>128950084>meta melodies that are metaphysical in some sense; they're invisible structures
>>128949693Bach had autism too so its perfect
>>128950038Thanks for the rec.It's a female singer, although she's decent. But strings are too HIP, why no vibrato?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjriJWyZmNI
>>128950108Yeah I kind of skimmed the second part of your message
>>128950026obligatory
Does any other composer invoke as much seethe and butthurt as him?
>>128950019While the organ is superior in terms of complexity and tonal range, the piano is simply more versatile. You can really only write one type of music on the organ.There's a reason the piano is so widespread, it's superior simply due to the fact you can use the piano for so many fucking things.
now that Christmas has passed, did you listen to this yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNPsnCZQj0
>>128950142Sir this is a classical general
>>128950149>classicalHaydn & Mozart are hardly the main topics of conversation here sir (retard)
>>128950084You can actually just listen to Bach or read Shakespeare and enjoy them if youre not a bitch
>>128950134I was just listening to that but the version I posted is just too perfect. Male sopranos are pretty weird at first, but they sound amazing.
continuing with Bavouzet's Beethoven piano sonatas cycle11th, Op. 22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtoMfTd-lWI&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=3912th, Op. 26 "Grande Sonate"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjF7Van3Qp4&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=4313th, Op. 27 No. 1 "quasi una fantasia"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WGs9FFcJaQ&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=4714th, Op. 27 No. 2 "Moonlight"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxG3Si1lIsE&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=50Quite liking it so far!
>>128950162You know what I mean
>>128950142Stockhausen and Boulez
>>128950043monteverdi, schütz, f.couperin, rameau, d.scarlatti are worth hearing.
>>128950192I'm not so sure about that. The mere image of Cage can invoke a maniacal frenzy. People shouting at the to of their lungs: "WHO THE HELL DOES THIS HACK THINK HE IS? yeah. FOUR MINUTES AND THIRTYTHREE SECONDS??? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKKKK??"
Baroque that isn't the Art of Fugue is not worth hearing more than once. Except Handel.
You are hereby sentenced to play a woodwind instrument after eating a pixie stick!
>>128950183The question is why YOU can't adequately put your own thoughts into words.
What's with the spamming lately. Is it all the same guy
>>128950146>>128950146>There's a reason the piano is so widespread,Moron, the piano is more widespread because its something any ordinary human can afford. Not exactly like you can go and pack a church organ in your home. In fact just attempting to RECORD an organ properly is an arduous task because of the nature of it compromising an entire building. The piano and harpsicord are a concession made for practicality, and I don't mean that lightly, the organ is the most classical extravegant thing imaginable in terms of structure and craftmanship. Its not even just an instrument construction alone, the entire building and soundstage of it is all finely tuned to support it.The organ is the peak and pinnacle of musical beauty and architectural structure. There is no superior, it is simply the king of instruments.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZPHfFKerAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbk76BzWRCshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipoGX7mlCQ4
>>128950259>There is no superior,Orchestra is the superior.
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvC9f_Q_3fs
Webernhttps://youtu.be/by1OlFqIQxI?si=wwXr9huDtWBdgwhr
>>128950266Correct.
>>128950266Only if it includes an organ.
>>128950266Even with the grandest and largest squadron of Mahlerian horn farting conjured could still never recreate the immensity of a pipe organ. You would know if you had ever stood before one, it feels like the very earth before you is rumbling in Almighty fury when the performer truly wishes to shake the room. No recording can realistically fully replicate it, you can literally feel it. The voice and organ are the highest tier of sound machines we have, although neither are great for a solo composer/artist. Yes, the church figured it out and we have been coping ever since, correct. Not interested in asshurt about religion, it is what it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkn8mPGM_S0
>>128950339Nah, all it has to include is the strings, woodwinds, brass and percussion. Nothing is more capable of expressiveness than an orchestra.
>>128950340It needs percussion for true firetruck quality. Therefore the theater organ is the greatest instrument of all time.
>>128950352>It needs percussionWe save that sort of thing for the africanized minds of the B.M.W. firetruck crews. Rhythm is already contained in melody.
>>128950362>>>/metal/
>>128950367Sorry fagnertranny, but you can take your percussion back to >>>/lgbt/ with the rest of your brown xisters.
>>128950375>>>/metal/
>>128950362>africanized mindsLike keyboard music
If you don't get Mahler, you're just low IQ and that's understandable. If you don't love slow movements of Bruckner however, you don't like classical music at all, and I am being sincere. I will consider ignoring all your posts if you do not listen to Bruckner's adagios.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghzevma-nyA
>>128950396Incorrect. We do no consider things like the xylophone to be africanized, because it is a melodic instrument, drums (melodically incapable instruments) that the firetruckers so love are indeed africanized thoughever. Mahler was exceptionally melanated in that regard.
>>128950419>>>/metal/
>>128950418>if you don't like falling asleep to saccharine movie OST lullabies that are more opiate than music, you don't like classical music at allCurious!Anyways, back to Haydn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--4b9rCf7fc
>>128948138merely representative of the spirit and tastes of the age. people like they're interpretations a little smoothed out, hence why those are the pianists that become popular and successful. it's not wrong or right, just a preference
>climax of Bruckner's 7ths adagio
>>128950454Funny how you can always notice the same retards, you've used the term "saccharine melodies" as some pathetic insult several threads now. Which is extra ironic considering you finish it with "anyway, back to Haydn" LMAO
>*mogs the Italians and Germans during the Baroque and Modern eras*
>>128950457>>climax of Bruckner's 7ths adagio
>>128950470He thinks listening by Haydn, and not Bruckner, he can look as if he likes classical music (lol, lmao). Sad.
now playing, newish release, get it while it's hotstart of Rachmaninoff: The Bells, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qamGV1YmB10&list=OLAK5uy_mfuYbLQQwYosMRlCSXUeehDvaD7XAo_Q0&index=2start of Elgar: Falstaff, Op. 68https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MV7Dcsg7Os&list=OLAK5uy_mfuYbLQQwYosMRlCSXUeehDvaD7XAo_Q0&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mfuYbLQQwYosMRlCSXUeehDvaD7XAo_Q0Two notes: 1) apparently Rachmaninoff considered The Bells his finest work, something I'm sure no one here including myself will agree with, but it's still pretty great, and 2) V. Petrenko is a superb conductor of his music, so this is definitely essential listening.here's a review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-rachmaninoff-the-bells-elgar-falstaff-royal-philharmonic-orchestra-vasily-petrenko/
>>128950481May listen but, am curious what people think is the best recording of this one.
>>128950487...or you can try the one I posted and look for different recordings later. You don't lose out if you don't listen to the very best recording of a piece. Plus with how great a conductor V. Petrenko is, especially of Rachmaninoff, this actually may very well be the best one.
>>128950498I've heard the piece before so I'm more interested in what people actually think is the best.
>>128950487Honestly I don't remember, but it was (obviously) in Russian, and the album art had nature, trees. Might be Dave's reference recording, not sure. Maybe someone will post it.
>mogs Stravinsky 200 years before>mogs the Italians>creates energetic dance rhythms in his music>harmonically adventurous for his time, Like Bach and MaraisHow did this little French shit do it?
>>128950470We disapprove of saccharine melodies here. Haydn has a reasonable amount of restraint to himself, just as all classical and pre-romantics did. For the Wagnerians like Bruckner they believed everything is either the loudest earth shattering moment, or of the greatest of all tragedy, apparently unaware of the fact the audience is currently just sitting listening to music in neither life threatening danger (besides of death by boredom), nor in any great tragedy. Ultimately their approach is one only suited to Opera, where there are indeed such tragedies going on, unfortunately Bruckner and Mahler were not intelligent enough to grasp that the OST is only realized when it is attached to a scene. Classical and baroque music was understood as abstract, beyond mere heart tugging melodies that as Medtner says are "self-sufficient" all alone unto themselves. That is not to say there was no emotion, far from it, but rather they were cognizant of the silliness in bombast and overt self-pity.
speaking of Handel, anyone tried this? Messiah... refreshed! I'm not quite sure of the differences, just that it's adapted to a modern orchestra somehow.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZQpLWwsSH0&list=OLAK5uy_k6OXLIADuUxuQwAhHcwdVKMI9JAfc6Ai8&index=1damn that actually sounds pretty damn goodvocal parthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ-A-LUOHuk&list=OLAK5uy_k6OXLIADuUxuQwAhHcwdVKMI9JAfc6Ai8&index=3
Toddler screamed wildly cuz he didnt want to nap and broke my sennheisers. Im going to become a rap fan I cant deal with this bullshit now im listening to medtner on a pair of airpods. Youre all whores. You know what fuck medtner too you medtner cultists can blow me. I will never listen to music again
>>128950500maybe Rattle's. If you peep that review in the post, at the bottom they list some other reference recordings of the work, though the reviewer notes Petrenko's ranks among them
>>128950527soz anon :( shoulda' got another pair for Christmas
feels like a Bruckner 4 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZItoQkH7Z_4&list=OLAK5uy_lVmAGzG66vISqC1qhHFyDIytR7J26fDM0&index=1
Carl Philipp Emanuel was the better Bach
>>128950513>>>/metal/
>>128950612>Carl Philipp Emanuel was the better Bach
RememberBach(Baroque/1750) and Before, Ives(Late Romantic/1874) and AfterOnly exceptions are Field, Haydn, and Boccherini and Mozart is a little faggot
>>128950580>>128950580Man this original version sounds so bizarre compared to the version we all know and love. While the changes are undeniably improvements, there is a certain charm to it. And this performance is superb.
>>128950715>we all loveWe? Who?
>>128950699Beethoven and before. No after.
Schubert and after, Mahler and before.
Just found out Sviatoslav Richter was gay.
>>128950737>>128950747Germ/Austro-cels need to be banned from posting, only sex-havers like French/Italians and G*rms like Bach, Haydn, and Wagner are allowed in these threads
>>128950803We prefer hermetical introverted autists that can't get along with the outside world, live for their ideals, and die childless here.
>>128950773The Stranger Things episode has caused so much disgusting homophobia and bigotry today it has truly gotten on my nerves, and it rarely ever does. Listening to Richter's Tchaikovsky:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CXT_hVvz4Y
>>128950851>so much disgusting homophobia and bigotry todayI can't even tell if this is ironic or not anymore, top kek.
>>128950867It's not. Look at other threads/media. It's disgusting.
>>128950887I didn't think we had any blue haired people left on 4cuck.org. How have you managed to survive for this long?
>>128950726we all love Bruckner here, anon, and certainly his 4th symphony
>mozart slanderImmediate telltale sign of a pseud
>>128951222Yeah, but also>you should like Mozart as much as I do!An even bigger sign of a pseud.
>>128951250Nobody said you should think he's your favorite, but anyone who doesn't consider Mozart a god tier composer is a retard and a pseud
>>128951077I'm afraid the official /classical/ council has already held meeting on the subject and the determination was that Bruckner's musical opiates of not in the interest of anyone who might mistakenly listen to them. Further more: it was discussed that surely any man who goes to an opera and closes his eyes must be an idiot through and though.
>>128951263>Nobody said you should think he's your favorite, You just did, in the very same post, you utter imbecile.
>>128951412NTA, but he certainly did not.
>>128951424He certainly did.
>>128951433In your dreams, perhaps so.
>>128951438Yes, he did, maybe learn to read.
Never listened to Haydn before, where do I start
>>128951443Ironic post.
>>128951456Ironic post.
>>128951459>no u
>>128951468>no u
>>128951477>
>>128951485>
>>128951455String quartets
>>128951493Any specific recordings youd recommend? Otherwise ill just find my own
>>128951525Mosaiques
>>128951543Thanks
>>128951378>>>/metal/
>>128951492
>>128951553it's pretty much a happy coincidence that pompier sounds like pompous (it comes from pump - pompe hence fireman) and that allusions to firetruck sirens happened to be an effective way to insult some of the composers. the metalsis attempting to revive it is not even using it in the same way as the old tripfags did.
>>128951577
classical peaked with the classical era
>>128951663Romantic*.
Just found out Hadyn wore wigs and I don't think I can listen to him ever again
>>128951681lmfao, how about NooOOOoo
>>128951378musical... opiates, you say? :OOO
>The last performance [of his oratorio The Creation] Haydn attended was on March 27, 1808, just a year before he died: the aged and ill Haydn was carried in with great honour on an armchair. According to one account, the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the coming of "light" and Haydn, in a typical gesture, weakly pointed upwards and said: "Not from me—everything comes from up there!"based humble, pious papa Haydnalso of note,>Napoleon, then the First Consul, was an avid admirer of the composer. He attended its Paris premiere on 24 December 1800; on the way there, he narrowly escaped a bomb intended to assassinate him.[5]
>>128951780Lel Haydn was a hack, he stole everything from God
>>128951784KEK
>>128948990>Schoppy hated nationalismI think he changed his mind later on when he got JQ pilled
>Haydn once preformed a concert with a finger up his ass
now playing, more American modernismstart of William Schuman: Symphony No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUcCiyYo2F0&list=OLAK5uy_kMvid_AB9QGqLurKALyzNLdboQaDZKkyg&index=2start of William Schuman: Symphony No. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxqid6Gw7qs&list=OLAK5uy_kMvid_AB9QGqLurKALyzNLdboQaDZKkyg&index=4William Schuman: Judithhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZznvm_7TAY&list=OLAK5uy_kMvid_AB9QGqLurKALyzNLdboQaDZKkyg&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMvid_AB9QGqLurKALyzNLdboQaDZKkyg>Gerard Schwarz and the Seattle players perform each work with commitment and energy. The sound – dating from 1991-92 – is clear and powerful. The notes by Steven Lowe are most informative. This is one of the more important releases in Naxos' splendid American Classics series. Highly recommended. ---- Robert Cummings, classical.netReally comfy music.
>>128951811No he really didn't. Cherry picked quotes taken out of context from when he was a bitter man don't count.
>>128951826There is just something about American composers that irk me
>>128951846Americant black met-
>>128951846>>128951846Listen to Roy Harris' 4th Symphony and it'll cheer you uphttps://youtu.be/kq-ZqAkZXZ0[listen to at least until the vocals start pls]
haydns wife was an ayylmao
>>128951826Schumann and before, Schuman and after.
>The alpha and omega is Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, marvellous in the first three movements, very badly set in the last. No one will ever approach the sublimity of the first movement, but it will be an easy task to write as badly for voices as in the last movement. And supported by the authority of Beethoven, they will all shout: "That's the way to do it..."
>>128950032H effect.
Had a good day exploring classical music today, Explored the Baroque era extensively (mostly bach lol) tomorrow I will be delving into the Classical era (Mozard, Haydn)
>>128951930hehe
>>128950045:Dhappy to be with all you anons in /classical/
now playing; feel like going through a new cycle of Tchaikovsky's symphonies, so I looked up anything released recently, and came upon Paavo Jarvi's setstart of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No.1 in G Minor, Op. 13 "Winter Daydreams"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2yyfyj29OQ&list=OLAK5uy_lCh7qd-CI7xMETjC8vDAiTMX6dkH7Li1U&index=2start of Tchaikovsky: Italian Capriccio in A Major, Op. 45https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC5CHFyBH88&list=OLAK5uy_lCh7qd-CI7xMETjC8vDAiTMX6dkH7Li1U&index=6Tchaikovsky: Eugene Onegin, Op. 24, Act 2 Scene 2: Tempo di Valsehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7O8cD-Uj18&list=OLAK5uy_lCh7qd-CI7xMETjC8vDAiTMX6dkH7Li1U&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lCh7qd-CI7xMETjC8vDAiTMX6dkH7Li1U>The Estonian conductor Paavo Järvi and the Tonhalle-Orchester Zürich continue their journey through Tchaikovsky's symphonic works. This fourth volume opens with the Symphony no.1 (1866), subtitled 'Winter Daydreams'. He wrote his first essay in the symphonic genre just after his appointment to a teaching post at the Moscow Conservatory, and it earned him lasting success. Indeed, he retained a lifelong attachment to the piece, asserting that it was superior in substance to all his more mature symphonic works. The program continues with one of the Russian composer's most famous pieces, the Capriccio italien (1880). Conceived as a musical travelogue, this symphonic poem is a genuine tribute to Italian folk melodies. The triptych offered by this volume is rounded off by the Waltz from the opera Eugene Onegin (1879).A nice program for winter too.
>>128951831>he was bitter that's why he got JQ pilleddesu Wagner was a jolly fella and even he got JQ pilled"It is necessary for us to explain the involuntary repugnance we possess for the nature and personality of the Jews ... Judasiam is the evil conscious of modern civilization.""The Jew has never had an art of his own, hence never a life of art-enabling import... So long as the separate art of music had a real organic life-need in it, down to the epochs of Mozart and Beethoven, there was nowhere to be found a Jew composer: it was utterly impossible for an element quite foreign to that living organism to take a part in the formative stages of that life. Only when a body's inner death is manifest, do outside elements win the power of judgment in it-yet merely to destroy it. On one thing am I clear: that is the influence which | the Jews have gained upon our mental life, as displayed in the deflection and falsification of our highest culture-tendencies. Whether the downfall oJ our culture can be arrested by a violent rejection of | the destructive alien element, I am unable to decide, since that would require fore es with whose existence I am unacquainted." ( From his book Judaism in Music)https://boards.christogenea.org/forum/main-category/main-forum/jewish-treachery/72653-100-quotes-exposing-the-evil-of-the-jews
>>128950516Handel's Messiah is genius>>128951455Depends which forms you're most into. He has great masses, late symphonies, string quartets, and piano sonatas. That said, just listen to the Jochum set of his late symphonies and then listen to some of the other stuff I named if you're into it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMwu1sTNOmI&list=OLAK5uy_ngQh4wdVACrlxkfDIPi3XNnMUE27FayZw&index=1Enjoy!
>>128951455also give this set a tryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO8nl8KzYW8&list=OLAK5uy_nEme9tK5uZsf-qelqnKGTbn3tA69wS4I0&index=13Jochum's set for clarity, drama, and colorBernstein's for raw excitement and visceral exuberance.
>>128952078Do you know by any chance if he's going to do 6th? My favorite Tchaikovsky symphony.
>>128951455the Op. 76 quartetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpm5U_YF2qw&list=OLAK5uy_k2ZcU8SvoHapXZ6Ay2uBShCjMpQjSa0jc&index=1
>>128952081Wagner was a proto nazi. But please lets not derail into talking about Jewish people again.
>>128952202it seems to exist but it's not on YouTube Music, fughttps://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-tchaikovsky-symphony-no-6-tonahalle-orchestra-zurich-paavo-jarvi/
>>128952210>>128952151>>128952106Thanks. Dude has so many different Symphonies and String Quartets. Going to take me ages to fully explore him
Got drunk last night and ordered a set of four timpanis.
>>128952239I kneel
>>128952233Exploring all of them is just for the megafans. In truth, you only need those late 'London' symphonies, late piano sonatas, and later string quartets + Seven Last Words of Christhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO1sARZmKOU&list=OLAK5uy_kn7R2G1hd05vLVRovpvtI1tS7ftDVSMUw&index=1
Shostakovich has a great great grand daughter that does ASMR on twitch
>>128952251Ill start with this then
>>128952263Does this count as futurism
the Vagner meme
new>>128952298>>128952298>>128952298
>>128952302We haven't reached the bump limit
>>128952310that was the bump limit
>>128952310Oh its at 310? I thought it was 350
>>128952324newfag
>>128952331Its different on every board
>>128952333tourist
>>128948909hahah he looks like Bryan Ferry a little bitit's Franz Liszt
