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Schubert edition
https://youtu.be/xdegXGh6ntA

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

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>>129012155
schizophrenia
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Music didn't need to go past monophony sung in stone churches.
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Why didnt anyone outside europe develop music past simplistic melodies
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>>129012749
the invention of diatonic staff notation enabled the development of polyphonic music.
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>>129012749
non-whites are beasts of the field.
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>>129012749
China was already doing 12 tone shit like Shoenburg 3,000 years ago. They already completed music
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>>129013465
you do know bait is supposed to be believable, right?
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On a purely technical/theory/compositional level, the most skilled composer is Ravel. He often gets outsted from the "Top Composers" because he didn't nearly have as much output at Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, etc. But there is so much more to Ravel's music than, I dunno Haydn's. Like Haydn wrote some 100 symphonies and I can't name a single one
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Max Reger. What a giftless bastard.
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>>129013465
you are profoundly retarded.
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Wagner is truth.
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The 200 year old techniques are impossible to out date. The greatest works 1700-1900 were written as much for the year 3159 as they were for 2025 as they were for their respective year of composition. There were many temporary fads in the western music cannon, but haydn and Mozart were the first to put their aesthetic truly beyond what was merely popular at the time, and catapult their art into timelessness.

The composers that we don’t remember today, they were just doing what was popular at the time. The composers we do remember are the ones who did what was right.

The current fad of making ‘interesting’ ‘influential’ pieces will be largely forgotten within a century. It’s just a fad.
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Beethoven invented classical from baroque but it wasn't till Chopin fucked the piano as if it were his mother that it really came into its own as an art form.
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>>129014593
>he doesn't know Haydn's London symphonies by heart
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>>129009525
No.
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>>129014593
Not even the drum roll or the one mit dem Paukenschlag?
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>The Third Symphony is Mahler’s hymn to the natural world and his longest work. It was largely composed in the summer of 1895 after an exhausting and troubling period that pitched him into feverish creative activity. Bruno Walter visited him at that time and as Mahler met him off the ferry Walter looked up at the spectacular alpine vistas around him only to be told: "No use looking up there, that’s all been composed by me."

damn
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Buxtehude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hipaarJwkX8&list=OLAK5uy_mN6LctX4uBCPJLCQLVnuDlLKwqycBnWfc&index=1

>>129015012
What a complete moron.
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>>129015012
What a complete genius.
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>The first String Quartet, Op. 7, is Schoenberg's hymn to modernity and the digital age. It was largely composed in 1897. Anonymous visited him at that time and as Schoenberg met him off the ferry Anonymous opened 4chan on his phone only to be told: "No use looking on there, that's all been composed by me."

damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmDlGYj0y1Y
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>>129015032
>Schoenberg killed music and then also killed the internet by spamming it with 12 tone bots to fulfill the dead internet theory.
Legend.
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>>129015032
an earth-shattering masterpiece
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>>129015048
>>Schoenberg killed music
*the Darmstadt school
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>>129015055
>Key influences on the Darmstadt School were the works of Webern
And Webern worshiped the ground Schoenberg walked on. All of this garbage was because of him.
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On one occasion, a superior officer demanded to know if he was "this notorious Schoenberg, then"; Schoenberg replied: "Beg to report, sir, yes. Nobody wanted to be, someone had to be, so I let it be me".[12] According to Norman Lebrecht, this is a reference to Schoenberg's apparent "destiny" as the "Emancipator of Dissonance"
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>brautigam's beethoven
:(
>schiff's beethoven
:/
>barenboim's beethoven
:|
>gilels' beethoven
:)
>kempff's beethoven
:D
>arrau's beethoven
:O
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Wagner decides what is good and evil.
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>>129015063
Not bad. Almost as good as the famous Picasso quote.
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>>129015063
>"Emancipator of Dissonance"
That was Bartok. Schoenberg only succeeded in the emancipation of writing alienating fake music that can only be perceived as random notes.
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Fagner was gay and died of AIDS.
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>>129015061
12-tone composition is just an attempt to limit the number of possible intervallic motives and to derive harmony and melodic content from the same pool (a common procedure in all post-tonal music). the twelve-tone system is best conceived as a formalization of the complex motivic-thematic writing of the second viennese school, which is always imbued by polyphonic concerns. This affords the composer the freedom to focus on particular melodic elements of the row, by stowing away parts of it in vertical harmonies. Freer manipulations are also common. All it was meant to do was to bring back compositions to a more organized formalism. That's it, really. At most total serialism/gruppenkomposition/etc. (the kinds of music that appeared after Schoenberg's death, and the ones which this general hates the most) are rooted in a grand misunderstanding of Webern, it has nothing to do with the neoclassical form and motivic development of Schoenberg's twelve-tone works.
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>The Nocturnes are Chopin's hymn to rank sentimentalism and dishonest emotionality. It was composed during a turbulent, solitary period when Chopin spent all day watching anime locked in his room, daring only to come out after dusk to stealthily steal a plate of cold leftovers. Jan Lisiecki visited him at that time and as Chopin met him outside of his garish Tesla cybertruck Lisiecki opened up reddit on his phone only to be told: "No use looking on there, that's all been composed by me."

damn
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>>129015098
fucking kek
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>>129015061
And Schoenberg worshiped Brahms, therefore Brahms ruined music.
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>>129015094
Wagner broke you like a styrofoam cup.
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>>129015096
>blah blah blah it was all about saving classical, they really loved it guys, yeah sure its totally unlistenable and completely killed classical, but please believe me
12 tone was nothing but the first step towards total abstract mathematizing of composition in total divorce from actual sound perception, culminating in Xenekis.
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>schnable's beethoven
ꉂ(˵˃ ᗜ ˂˵)
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>>129015132
unlistenable tbqh
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>>129015123
Fagner's anus was broken into two by multiple men who used him as their personal fucktoy, plus gave him AIDS which he died from.
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>>129015115
Brahms never had a touch of twelve tone in him, nice cope.
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>>129015134
False.
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I refuse to listen to any cycle which can only be collected via disparate bootleg recordings, eg Richter's and Schnabel's Beethoven
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>>129015136
you seem upset. I will pray for you.
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>>129015158
Fagner was often upset when his nightly bedroom was only filled with three other men to pleasure, as in his words: "The German spirit can swallow much more physical hardship, and anything less than three is an indignity to our great nation". Many a homosexual cried at his funeral after he died of AIDS.
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brahms was a worm next to wagner
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>>129015179
how's the weather in Tel Aviv?
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Yeats:
>Wagner's dramas are becoming to Germany what the Greek Tragedies were to Greece.
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>>129015189
ETERNAL HEILS TO THE JEWISH NATION.
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>>129015190
That's pretty undisputable, yeah. And today we have Michael Bay.
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>>129015189
sunny. I'm trans btw.
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Schoenberg

https://youtu.be/rZlB2tRyvQw
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I would never listen to any of Vagner’s repulsive operas, I only listen to Brahms and french composers.
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>>129015341
>t.
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>>129015355
>>>/pol/
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>>129015369
>>>/trash/
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>>129015377
Whoops meant to reply to >>129015355
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>>129015383
well played.
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>>129014999
Mahler 4 makes me so happy :3
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>>129015065
>ranking Brautigam last
You can't be serious. It's the best cycle in every respect. Don't @me.
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>>129015558
>fortepiano
you must be 60+ years old
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>>129015560
>t. low IQ mongrel
A piano is not a piano is not a piano.
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I asked my kitty who's her favorite pianist and she replied,
>ARRAUW!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUrz_GO9dLQ
#rareLiszt

so true kitty
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>>129015570
>female poster
Not reading!
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>choral movements in symphonies aren't goo-- ACK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOhpR5ExeIk&list=OLAK5uy_lZFCJJTHWpQCR7Yz2eX-w4jOe8q3dgOj4&index=5
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>>129015560
I'm a man of taste and distinction.

The fortepiano doesn't always work, but it sounds crisp and rich in this particular recording.

Harpsichord ftw tbqh
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>>129015581
They're one of the few elements that I usually enjoy in Mahler's symphonies.
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>>129015591
>Harpsichord ftw tbqh
You're worse than the other retard insulting the forte. The place is diseased when it comes to discussions on keyboard music.

Bartok and harpsicords... Jesus.
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now playing

start of Chopin: 2 Nocturnes, Op. 62
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zVSduobA8&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=2

Chopin: Polonaise-Fantaisie, Op. 61
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ6frpWgCAU&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=4

Chopin: Barcarolle, Op. 60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1zz17lIcE&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=5

start of Chopin: Sonata No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l17ycc4Hcs4&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=6

start of Chopin: 3 Mazurkas, Op. 59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbPsoFsm4o&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=10

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM

>Fourteen years after her victory at the XVI International Chopin Piano Competition, Yulianna Avdeeva documents her journey with the music of Frédéric Chopin. Voyage focuses on his late works, all composed while surrounded by nature, and Avdeeva has recorded them at the rustic Tippet Rise Art Center in Montana, against the serene backdrop of the Beartooth Mountains.
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>>129015601
>female performer
Not listening!
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>>129015600
>>>/metal/
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>>129015613
>>>>/metal/
>>>/metal/
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>>129015600
If a piece is composed for the piano, chances are it's not going to work very well on the harpsichord. I'm just saying I prefer the sound of the harpsichord.
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https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/127179272/#127180765
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top 10 piano composers

Morton Feldman
Tōru Takemitsu
Philip Glass
Stockhausen
Messiaen
Ravel
Debussy
Prokofiev
Scriabin
Bach

why yes i am better than you
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>>129015621
Based, we enjoy varg's ambient guitar tunes here.
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WTF Arnold Bax composed solo piano music and no one told me???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9CD4zSguB8

So Michael Tippett was not the only Englishman to compose in the form
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did you listen to it yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNPsnCZQj0

>uploader's name: Scriabin is my dog
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>>129015624
Ew

Bach
Bruckner
Beethoven
Messiaen
Scarlatti
Giacinto Scelsi
Josquin
Brahms
Shostakovich
Wagner
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>>129015620
No shit. However the issue is that Harpsichord lack dynamics and thus has no reason to ever be played. The reason every baroque keyboard piece is filled with such heavy trills and ornamentation is because thats the only way to add variety to pieces. And also, the Harpsicord sounds rather poor in general, with no real upside besides having more clarity than a modern piano. However the fortepiano also has better clarity, while actually having the ability to play with dynamics.

We prefer piano renditions of harpsicord pieces here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iOt3MA1F48

Also an interesting fact is that old Harpsicords used to sometimes have multiple manuals like an organ, which can make trying to play them on modern piano absolute nightmare tier difficulty.
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>>129015659
>Bruckner
>Scelsi
>Josquin
>Shostakovich
>Wagner
By far the worst of all the lists posted so far, fitting for a Fagner fanboy.
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>>129015654
better dead than red.
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>>129015674
>the Harpsicord sounds rather poor in general
Lol cool opinion. Obviously I disagree.
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>>129015624
>Morton Feldman
>Tōru Takemitsu
>Philip Glass
>Stockhausen
Thank you retard.
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>>129015680
How will I ever recover from such a witty barb?
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>>129015718
Probably by spamming the thread with homoerotic copypastas, like you will do every day of your life until you also die of AIDS just like Fagner.
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>>129015601
Is that a robot on the cover?
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>>129015721
I know it doesn't look human, but that is a woman, so technically not a true human, but related to the human species as a distant relative.
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What Stockhausen have you listened today, /classical/?
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>>129015703
We don't bother pretending like the harpsicord has anything above an acceptable sound here.
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>>129015674
>>129015720
>>129015726
>>129015732
>>>/metal/
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>>129015737
You missed a bunch of posts again, madam. Second rate pattern recognition I'm afraid.
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The piano is objectively a superior instrument for virtually everything but the (very rare) keyboard concerti. You cannot clarify the motivic polyphony of a Bach fugue on a harpsichord, nor can you accentuate the myriad thematic contrasts of a Scarlatti sonata on a harpsichord, whereas the dynamically flexible clavichord presents difficulties of intonation and a volume that is utterly unfit for public performances.
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>>129015742
>>>/metal/
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>>129015746
>>>>/metal/
>>>/metal/
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>>129015743
>>129015728
>>129015751
>>129015721
>>>/metal/
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>>129015743
>you cannot clarify the motivic polyphony
Low IQ mongrel, harpsicords and forte pianos have MORE clarity than modern pianos. The only reason the modern piano exists is because its louder for concert halls.
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>>129015732
Do you ever leave this place? It honestly seems like you shitpost on /mu/ literally (and I mean LITERALLY) 24/7.

If you're wondering how I know it's you, your over-the-top aggression and fedora-tier verbosity give you away every time. You also tend to be rather repetitive.
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>The first fugue was J.S. Bach's hymn to the fugue-fetishism and fictional God he didn't believe in but lusted after. It was largely composed in the summer of 1703 after a sexually exhausting and troubling period that pitched him into erectile dysfunction. His daddy visited him at that time and as Bach met him at the church, daddy looked up at the spectacular organ pipes that resembled heavenly cocks descending from the heavens around him only to be told: "No use looking up there, that’s all been composed by me."

damn
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Bach was the first modernist.
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>>129015774
>If you're wondering how I know it's you,
Oh yeah, you've really got some great detective eye, as if your boogieman has been even trying to hide at all. Funniest part is that you still obviously fail to recognize most of the posts anyways as per your desperate bot replies while only find their mark less than 30% of the time.
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>unresponsive and muddy in the lower registers
Every fortepiano ever
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>>129015811
You mean every modern piano? Are you retarded?
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I cannot listen to anything other than harpsichord, only it can produce the plink plonk sounds I can dilate to.
I am also a Feldman fan for the same reason.
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>>129015789
>>>/metal/
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>>129015802
Huh?

Believe it or not, I say this out of genuine concern for your emotional well-being: DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH YOUR LIFE. Seriously, just give it a try. There are all kinds of things you can do other than making sad attempts to prove intellectual dominance over strangers on 4chan all day.
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>>129015838
>There are all kinds of things you can do other than making sad attempts to prove intellectual dominance over strangers on 4chan all day.
Peak pottery. Poor Iass really is mindbroken. You ever thought about talking about music instead of screeching about whatever man is currently dominating your thoughts?
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>>129015838
>>>/metal/
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>>129015852
>you ever thought about talking about music?
You ever have a short memory?
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>>129015864
>You ever have a short memory?
ESL post, explains much of the rage.
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this general is the closest to /a/'s dragon ball z general
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>>129015870
>>129015864
>>129015861
>>129015852
>>>/metal/
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>>129015872
The saddest words are these: the sisterposter was right.
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>>129015870
Sorry, I forgot autism makes it difficult to detect sarcasm.

I was just talking about music. You were involved in the conversation.
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>>129015789
I appreciate the effort but why you always gotta be so vulgar and raunchy
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>>129015885
>sarcasm
Doesn't explain the lack English mastery, but I suppose this is just addition proof of that. Regardless, perhaps you may return to musical discussion instead of shitting up the thread with /soc/ nonsense because Mahler was insulted at some point?
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>>129015901
lack of*
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>>129015901
You forgot...
*additional

Dunning-Kruger: The Person strikes again lol
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>>129015918
When you create as many posts as I do, there will be many errors. However, I do not write fundamental ESL tier writings like "You ever have a short memory?" which are not simply skipping words, missing letters, or missing certain syntax out of haste and laziness, but instead is a phrase that could only be uttered from the brown lips of an ESL.
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>>129015743
compared to the harpsichord the piano allows for far more individualized articulation of the voices in a polyphonic composition, as well as imitation of an implied instrument's (consider for example the trio sonata preludes in the well-tempered clavier) articulation - all impossible on an harpsichord.
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>>129015933
>When you create as many posts as I do, there will be many errors
Yes, if you're not very intelligent.

"You ever have a short memory?" in response to "you ever thought about talking about music" is classic bro-tier shit talk. I'm starting to think you're the one who's ESL.
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>>129015949
>an harpsichord.
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>>129015962
Dumb ESL doesn't even understand how gross his sentence was, in-fact he cannot even seem to comprehend that there was an issue with its structure at all, and believes the confusion lies with the coherence of it or relation to previous sentences. Just another moment of grand ESL ignorance for the never ending history logs.
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This thread is so fucking bad holy shit
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>>129015987
You still don't understand what I'm saying, thus confirming my suspicion that you're ESL.

>in-fact
No hyphen necessary, genius
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>>129015995
feature, not a bug.
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>>129015949
>compared to the harpsichord the piano allows for far more individualized articulation
Fundamentally incorrect, the cross woven string pattern and higher sustain of the modern piano leads to far less articulation by nature of its design.

Now the fortepiano on the other hand does not have the cross woven pattern, has less sustain, and has timbral distinctions across the registers. In comparison to modern Piano it has much more clarity, and compared to Harpsicord it can actually have dynamic distinction.

>>129015995
Some fag from /metal/ is so mindbroken by his bully over there than he shat up the entire thread just so he could have a meltie about his boogieman instead of talking about music. Many such cases on 4cuck.org
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>>129016004
I wonder what his favorite type of curry is.
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>>129016004
>no u don't get it
>no u are ESL
The third world certainly isn't sending their best to speak my language. Well, actually, this probably is their best. Grim.
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>>129015995
>>129015995
What do you want to see discussed? Got any questions? Need some recommendations, maybe recordings of a certain piece?
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>>129016034
>What do you want to see discussed
How many cocks Fagner could stuff in his mouth, and how painful his death from AIDS was.
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>>129016020
in-fact is probable addition of poo to sauce
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>>129016034
Let's talk about Wagner now.
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>>129016040
W
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>>129015964
e's just bri'ish innit
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>In the best of all possible worlds, art would be unnecessary. Its offer of restorative, placative therapy would go begging a patient. The professional specialization involved in its making would be presumption. The generalities of its applicability would be an affront. The audience would be the artist and their life would be art.
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In-fact should be hyphenated, all forms of portmanteau should either be joined together without space, or hyphenated to show their relation. This is a case where even natives would fail to understand, but an ESL truly could not comprehend it, because he can only memorize rules, and did not grow up on the language to know that "in fact (rather infact)" is a portmanteau.

There are many fundamental issues with the English language, and it is this reason they fail to navigate it without bringing about the obvious reality that they are foreign to it. In the same way natives are probably even more prone to spelling errors than outsiders are, because the verbal and written forms are in such a disastrous discordance.
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>>129016115
Don't get so worked up about in-facts or in-fictions, you might get an infarction.
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>>129016115
>all forms of portmanteau should either be joined together without space
Lol dude just stop
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Nagano!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZg3mezWrzM&list=OLAK5uy_mgWlU80QWHx1MfPVVaPOqL329AXf0Ws2o&index=1
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>>129016129
Not worked up, I just enjoy writing about my truths for fixing issues of a broken system, I am fundamentally correct in adding either a hyphen or no space. The hyphen is preferred because a lack of space is harder to read, we (as in we English peoples, not foreigners like yourself) are only scanning the outer edges of words, its why you can remove lettrs and things stll read fine. Infact draws more attention and stops the reader more than in-fact.

>>129016140
>Lol dude
Posted immediately hidden and left unread.
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>>129016034
Post the worst classical piece you know of
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>>129016156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi0JwXruBig
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>>129016155
That letter-removal trick works in pretty much all western languages, you're not special gramps.
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>>129016156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KRj8GKGocs
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>>129016163
Correct. This does not change what I said however.
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>>129016155
It's not a portmanteau, you fucking idiot.

"In fact" = "in truth" = "actually"

Stop before you embarrass yourself any further.
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Anyone here a fan of Prokofiev's operas?
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>>129016156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-TyvjQU8Q
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French music sucks. There, I said it. You all know it's true.
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>>129016171
>>129016171
>It's not a portmanteau
It is, if you were a native you would know that "in-fact" is spoken as one word, as "infact", similar to how basketball is not written "basket ball". Unfortunately you are brown and of a non-English heritage, so you have been forced to """learn""" my language like the begger mutt mongrel you are.
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start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 5 in C Major, Op. 135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B81hsoPqizQ&list=OLAK5uy_kMN-YMn6YvEXL3-5p3xQcVWLuI83IyC_Q&index=2

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 6 in A Major, Op. 82
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZfLS8xwfZg&list=OLAK5uy_kMN-YMn6YvEXL3-5p3xQcVWLuI83IyC_Q&index=5

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 7 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEv8OTVJsC0&list=OLAK5uy_kMN-YMn6YvEXL3-5p3xQcVWLuI83IyC_Q&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMN-YMn6YvEXL3-5p3xQcVWLuI83IyC_Q

David Jalbert's Prokofiev piano sonatas cycle easily ranks as one of my favorites. Highly recommended.
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>>129016182
Should "apple tree" be hyphenated or concatenated?
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>>129016182
>It is, if you were a native you would know that "in-fact" is spoken as one word, as "infact"
... are you trolling?

So, you think "in truth" spoken as "intruth." You're literally retarded.
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>>129016155
>>129016182
why are you trying to lie to the ESLs here, anon? it's wrong. in fact, it's disgraceful. please stop.

also can we get back to classical discussion pls
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>>129016193
I prefer hyphenation always, otherwise you end up with a grotesque system like the Germans or Finish and their multi-paragraph words that are unreadable.

>>129016194
In-truth is more likely to be spoken separately, but should conform to the hyphen anyways because of their relations. However, separation is more tolerable in this instance based on actual spoken language.

>>129016197
>no capitalization
Posted immediately hidden and left unread.
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Depending on my mood, the final movement of Mahler's 3rd either puts me to sleep or imbues me with spiritual ecstasy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sZckM6ip3E&list=OLAK5uy_nViWBq_Kgf_BfDpTu2qrsrwTrv082FydA&index=6

Thoughts?
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Strauss:
>Tristan does not, as you believe, represent the "dazzling resurrection" of romanticism, but the end of all romanticism, as it brings into focus the longing of the entire 19th century, longing which is finally released in the Tag- und Nachtsgeprach and in Isolde's Liebestod. . . Tristan is the ultimate conclusion of Schiller and Goethe and the highest fulfilment of a development of the theatre stretching over 2,000 years.
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>>129016207
>In-truth is more likely to be spoken separately, but should conform to the hyphen anyways because of their relations
It is essentially the same thing. And no, there is no hyphen in this case either.

Inactuality, every time you double down, you just make yourself look dumber.
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>>129016235
>Inactuality
Incorrect.
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>>129016235
>Inactuality
Inside.
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top-tier Prokofiev piano sonata sets
S: Dinara Klinton, David Jalbert
A: Natalie Trull, Matti Raekallio, Yefim Bronfman
B: Anne-Marie McDermott, Bernd Glemser, Boris Berman, Alexander Melnikov
C: Barbara Nissman, Vladimir Ovchinnikov, Frederic Chiu, Peter Donohoe

subject to revision as always. thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwk6uFfkJuU&list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo&index=6
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>>129016235
>Inactuality
Into.
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>>129016264
does Ovchinnikov deserve to be ranked higher? perhaps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnFAq14L6eM&list=OLAK5uy_kl1H3GHfCyPZWn1lKltUty1Fl1K7l6Xv8&index=23
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In-actuality we are more prone to speak "inside" as "in side", yet their relations have granted unto them concatenation (although we would prefer hyphenation). In-fact is in-truth more deserving of a hyphen or concatenation than many other words with an "in" prefix, based on actual spoken language of natives.
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>>129016252
>incorrect
... which means the inverse of correct, not "in correctness."

Does this shed any light on the matter, or are you going to continue trying to convince everyone that "in fact" is a portmanteau?
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>>129016283
Find me one example of an English language publication using a hyphen for "in fact." One.

You really need to get on meds, dude.
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Just came across this blog, a guide of the writer's favorite classical recordings (i'm sure people are familiar with the Penguin Guide)

https://thepenguinsgirlfriendsguide.wordpress.com/about/

>Having slogged through several editions of the Penguin Guide to Classical Music and come out of them more confused about which performance is the best than before I read them, and not being much of a fan of Gramophone’s Britain-centric reviews of virtually everything, I’ve decided to start my own guide. Since I am just one person and older than most young bloggers, I’m not going to start at the beginning of the alphabet just yet but, rather, will post my reviews of the performances I prefer to all others as I feel like it. Sooner or later I’ll get every composer I like in here. Either that or I’ll die trying, but at least what I post here will be valid and hopefully steer you in the right direction.

I'm pretty set on all of the essentials and basics, but if I were still new to this whole classical thing, I'm sure it'd be an invaluable resource. They also have another blog for reviews and other blogposts related to (classical) music and recordings
https://artmusiclounge.wordpress.com/home/

Seems like they have some good content, once I figure out how to browse the damn site lol. Sample:
https://artmusiclounge.wordpress.com/2024/10/14/the-greatest-bach-violin-sonatas-partitas/
https://artmusiclounge.wordpress.com/2024/10/15/the-music-of-frederick-naftel/
https://artmusiclounge.wordpress.com/2024/10/22/alisa-weilersteins-exceptional-brahms/

Basically a lot of stuff about contemporary composers, musicians, and recordings + their thoughts on all-time best recordings + just random reviews on recordings and music they really like, and I'm sure there's posts about their thoughts on music in general but I've stuck to the more review stuff so far. Anyway, hope someone here enjoys these and finds them enlightening.
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got stomach bug and didnt sleep at all, everything is loud and pianful right now, is there any music that helps this or should I abstain
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>>129016290
>... which means the inverse of correct,
Just as into means the inverse of to! See, the problem with ESL is that they cannot comprehend that English is broken language (just as all others are), and its rules are merely DESCRIPTIVE of how the natives speak it, NOT prescriptive.

>>129016298
We here find the act of following our own ideas of what is correct more profound than to continue wrong-doing simply because it was "always that way".
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>>129016307
er, not *just* contemporary composers, like I said many of the reviews are on recordings by contemporary musicians on baroque/classical/romantic/modern music, but there's plenty on contemporary composers as well from what I can see.
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>>129016316
Wagner.
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>>129016320
>Just as into means the inverse of to!
No. It doesn't.

>wrong-doing
Lmao wrongdoing is one word. It's called a lexical compound.
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>>129016338
>No. It doesn't.
I'm sorry that you are too stupid to understand that was the entire point of why I said it. Please do ask some other brown member of your family to help you out if you are feeling confused, or continue your wrong-doing as you please I suppose.
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I love having to share the internet with giga-autists.
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>>129016353
>giga-autists.
We love those here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHH1j_dEqps&list=OLAK5uy_lQU94FjxiLQ3qwZl6B2UfRSr-gsJJAn0Y
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>>129016349
>I'm sorry that you are too stupid to understand that was the entire point of why I said it
You said it because you didn't understand my point.

By your utterly retarded rationale, "incorrect" is essentially the same as saying "in-correct," which would (in your retarded mind) mean "a state of being correct." "Into" is a lexicalized word that has nothing to do with inversion, and therefore would not serve to highlight why "in fact" requires no hyphen.
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>>129016316
I have a hard time tolerating piano and vocal pieces when my tinnitus is acting up.
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>>129016383
>>By your utterly retarded rationale, "incorrect" is essentially the same as saying "in-correct,"
Incorrect. The meaning of incorrect only has meaning when applied as a descriptive formation to how English is spoken, the relation of inside, into, incorrect, inaccuracy, and so on is to highlight that there is no proper rule for it. We understand incorrect does not mean to be "in correct" just as we understand "in fact" does not mean to be the opposite of fact, these are things that can only be comprehended by the native peoples of England, not for the brown masses making a shallow mockery of our language by pretending there is any sort prescriptive rules we are following that might make his transition to white-hood more smooth.
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now playing

start of Beethoven: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 61
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omeNegOcMLE&list=OLAK5uy_ldYKiAYuGu07hDDoYf7HGcSFOo-CAdyLA&index=2

start of Sibelius: Violin Concerto in D Minor, Op. 47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oby9ncgZ-Dc&list=OLAK5uy_ldYKiAYuGu07hDDoYf7HGcSFOo-CAdyLA&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ldYKiAYuGu07hDDoYf7HGcSFOo-CAdyLA
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>>129015190
Go ahead and ask a German today what happens in the Ring Cycle. I'm sure they would know more about Greek mythology still
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>>129016417
>We understand incorrect does not mean to be "in correct" just as we understand "in fact" does not mean to be the opposite of fact
Lol I'm glad you finally accept the fact that "in fact" does not need a hyphen - and that, in fact, it would make absolutely no sense given the meaning of "in fact."



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