The Face of the Absolute EdishThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129019522
HOW LOUD SHOULD IT BE??>100WagnerBerg>90-99BartokXenakisStravinskyBeethoven>80-89MozartShostakovichSchoenbergVivaldiVerdiMontiverdi>60-79ScelsiFerneyhoughWebernSchubertGesualdoSchumannMahlerBrucknerHaydn>40-59JSBachSchnittkeBrahmsSaint SaensDebussy>20-39RavelChopinBoulez>1-5FeldmanSatie>0CageNancarrowGriseyRileyPartLisztTchaikovsky
>>129035144What's written on the bottom?
>>129035159Jues Gyat
I just don’t care for this Schoenberg fellah’s music
>>129035159I think it reads "Jude Gang"? It could also be a secret code that activates sleeper agents, I mean it can be anything.
>>129035165any last words, anon?
>>129035163>>129035167>it's a lowbrow metal band logoHow far we have fallen /classical/...
>>129035175"Democritus Laughing" opens with a four-measure that accelerates by gaining an extra note each measure in a horizontal 4:5:6:7 ratio, for a total of 22 notes. The 22 pitches played by the opening guitar were generated aleatorically by rolling a 24-sided die; the three other guitars play serial transformations of that pitch material. When the drums enter, the tempo ratio becomes vertical and the four guitars trade tempos in that 4:5:6:7 ratio every time the opening theme recurs.
>>129035167JEJ
>>129035172Get in line.
I have reasons to believe Schoenberg worshipped Baphomet. His music touches void in some shape, it is oddly excruciating.
KEYBOARD COMPOSERS TIER LIST>ELDER GOD TIERJ.S. Bach>GOD TIERCouperin>GREAT TIERScarlattiRameau>GOOD TIERScriabinSorabjiBrahmsSchubertReger>PASSABLE TIERByrdMozartHaydnFauré>MEH TIERBeethovenClementiChopinRachmaninoffPoulencLiszt>BAD TIERDebussySatie>SHIT TIEReveryone else
>>129035201although he was of Jewish descent, Schoenberg converted to esoteric Wotanism.
DePussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bxpm0EmOMU
>>129035208I am assuming you didn't write this yourself, but explain Couperin over Rameau.
>>129035208Chopin and Debussy objectively belong above all else as far as keyboard music goes, but then again I'm replying to a void, a pasta.
>>129035208You missed Wagner in Elder God Tier.
everyone who likes Chopin must be executed
I have reasons to believe Wagner worshipped Yahweh. His music touches Moses in some shape, it is oddly financial.
>>129035224agreed. Bach and Wagner were extraterrestrials or some form of divine intervention.
>>129035208That is a very fine list, young anon. But in my years I have seen many such lists, and none have left a lasting impression.
>>129035237you misspelt Meyerbeer.
KEYBOARD COMPOSERS TIER LIST (this time, better informed and on objective basis) >ELDER GOD TIERChopinDebussy>ELDER GOD TIER 2 (THE POWER GAP TIER)Nobody.>GOD TIERRachmaninoff>GREAT TIERLisztFauréScriabinBeethoven>GOOD TIERMozartSchubertJ.S. BachBrahms>PASSABLE TIERRegerHaydnSatie>MEH TIERScarlattiByrdSorabjiClementiPoulenc>BAD TIER>SHIT TIERMost others
>>129035248Holy shit, tier list that makes sense?! Run, /classical/, RUUUUUUN
>>129035248too vanilla. not personal enough.
Music is not just a mere source of recreation. It is a huge battlefield where countless spiritual wars have been fought. Wagner knew this obviously, which is why he spent his entire life fighting the evil forces of the demiurge. Wagner shielded the spiritual foundation of this world from messianic terrorists. These fights have been fought long before humans even existed, matter of fact even before the first archaebacteria (which mutated into DNA), these are the battles between form and shapes, between energy and void, between chaos and order. Wagner was creating spiritual knights through his music to fight the demons of void. Wagner gave it his all and thus why we are even alive at this point and not turned into mindless drones. This battle will ensue for an eternity.
>>129035248>no Alkan>no Medtner>no Busoni>no Buxtehude>no Ravel>no Rameau>no Couperin>no HandelNGMI.
>>129035271genuinely good pasta, anon. the others were getting a bit stale.
>>129035277>>no Alkan>>no Medtner>>no BusoniGood tier.>>no Buxtehude>>no Ravel>>no Rameau>>no Couperin>>no HandelPassable tier.
>>129035289What about CPE?
>>129035294Great tier.
>>129035309>CPE great tier but Alkan and Medtner are good tierHIGHLY QUESTIONABLE. We do approve of him being over Mozart and Shubert thoughever. I'm surprised you forgot about Schumann thoughever, I thought you loved him?
>>129035319This is not a favorite-composer tierlist
I have reasons to believe Webern worshiped Schoenberg. His music touches torture, it is oddly Judaic.
>>129035328What's with the recent Webern-posting? Was anon touched by Webern's music?
>>129035322I was assuming you loved Schumann for his piano pieces. He actually has some pedal piano pieces like Alkan that I'm planning on checking out soon.
I love Bruckner
>>129035333I love all Schumann, except the songs. Didn't bother to include everyone. Schumann is not a god tier keyboardist for sure.
>>129035331Webern is a proud member of the classical tradition, it is because of the grand higher standards of our greater minds that he became popular on his compositional merits. Truly beloved by all, and a badge of honor on our fine musical history. Never since has anyone approached the quality of his sonic fascinations, perhaps only John Cage came close for a short while.
>>129035309only wizards understand that book.
>>129035331SVSposting is based
Ockeghem was claimed by Webern, along with his younger Flemish contemporary Obrecht, as a source of profound inspiration.
>>129035355Webern also claimed to be making music, and look how that turned out.
>>129035328He [Webern] said to me, "It's only the superior old German culture that can save this world from the demoralized condition into which it has been thrown." You see, during the '20s and early '30s, Germany and Austria were in social chaos. This country [the US] experienced something similar at the time of the Vietnam War. You [interviewer, 1987] remember how it was here [in the US]. Students were rebelling, occupying campus buildings; armed protesters were clashing with the police. People were wondering: how far will it go? how's it going to turn out? It was that kind of climate in Central Europe, only much worse. Here there was some sort of control, but there was no control in Vienna. The attitudes of young people were so cynical, and their behavior in the cafés and on the streets was really worrisome to the older generations. People like Webern thought the world was lost. Everything was so Bolshevik—so without discipline and cultivation—that only some kind of determined autocracy could solve society's problems and provide the salvation for all of Western humanity. If you asked Webern, 'Why does it have to be somebody like Hitler?', his answer was, 'Who knows if these excesses we've been reading about are real? As far as I'm concerned that's propaganda!' ... This conversation took place in 1936. It seems to me that, in the preceding years, there must have been a time when Webern felt the pull of great contradictions, a time when he was torn constantly ... ."
>>129035369>"It's only the superior old German culture that can save this world">Shits out auditory cancer that any person from old Germany would have probably outright slaughtered him for makingWhat did this fellow mean by this?
Favorite composers pre-Bach?
>>129035391for me it's Pachelbel.
>>129035391Buxtehude
>>129035369Lots of self proclaimed traditionalists championed the rise of fascism through Europe only to completely change opinion once they realized these retarded warmongering regimes had nothing to do with their ideal of an idyllic western civilization of educated men.
>>129035393
Boulezhttps://youtu.be/IwB6ts45qHQ
>>129035419>Lots of self proclaimed traditionalists championed the rise of fascism through Europe only to completely change opinion Correct, and that is because Fascism is not traditionalism, it was a revolutionary movement from the Futurists, who were the actually based versions of Fascists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn-ZW0OP0JE&list=PLJhYe4hsVJRfn6gI3CerbXJ0Pj7wB0arB
Classical music study group if anyone is interested >>>/lit/24994911
>>129035515suck my cock. we have enough retards here as it is.
>>129035515kill yourself.
>>129035515fuck off. nobody asked.
>>129035328>ahhhhh, nooo, chromatic scale is Talmudic, I'm going insane!!
>>129035521>>129035533>>129035540Samefag
>>129035541>Webern>ChromaticThe only people willing to defend this garbage have no idea what it is and have never listened to it themselves.
>>129035549buy an ad, faggot.
>>129035549nigger.
>>129035551I was talking about Shoenberg
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-uxdADUj8I
>If general music lovers know anything about Alkan they recount the bookcase/death story. In the Alkan literature an unusual amount of interest too has been engendered regarding the exact circumstances of Alkan’s death and this issue, moreover, has acquired something of the flavour of a Victorian melodrama. The most popular and dramatic version is the notion that Alkan was in the process of stretching up to the top of a bookcase for a volume of the Talmud, the books of Jewish law.
>>129035603his friends must have felt crushed when they heard the news of his death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=838e-7R71eM&list=OLAK5uy_ksA4SuDi0reV8dEQ-TMMgZHBDstHi5Rys>All individual shadings, all chromatic or enharmonic coloration of our fundamental senses, all that dazzled us so much in the music of the great masters of the last century, was just so much evidence for us of the inexhaustible and flexible fund of our common musical language. And conversely; all the attempts of past innovators to alter the very foundation of the mode (whether by substituting for it the whole tone scale, or by proclaiming the principle of atonality) have turned the musical language into some sort of jargon which in its extreme poverty showed no capacity whatsoever for life. >All the fundamental senses of the musical language, like the strings of our instruments, are in a firm interrelation. The elimination of even one string from our common lyre renders impossible the whole musical game. >Any chess or card player believes that the combinations of his game are inexhaustible, unrepeatable, and therefore he starts every new game on the same chessboard, or with the same pack of cards, Whereas we, instead of playing new games, turn to the invention of a new chess board, new cards.
>>129035618>not using a tonic is a "proclaiming the principle of atonality"What a midwit
>>129035627>can't even read "or"Thank you retard.
>>129035159Jute Gyte, the greatest composer of the past 500 years, puts wagner, Tchaikovsky and Mozart to shame : https://youtu.be/WlT7_pBWV3k?si=F_08lWT2vUyExxAG
>>129035648The pinnacle of musical art, the star pupil of Schoenberg's SVS 12 tone school: Adam Kalmbach. ETERNAL HEILS.
>>129035637>chromatic is the same as no tonicFuck, you're stupid
>Jude Gyatt
>>129035670>my music wouldn't exist without the invaluable work of SchoenbergCorrect.
>>129035618Reminds me of Plato condemning harmony as degeneracy and probably how a lot of guys like such reacted to sophisticated counterpoint and dynamics
>>129035669>still can't read a single paragraph correctly even after correctionQuit while you are behind, subhuman.
>>129035678Plato and Medtner. Real philosophy and real musicNietzsche and Wagner. Porngraphical pseudo-philosophy and pseudo-music.>Our music was formally divided into several kinds and patterns. One kind of song, which went by the name of a hymn, consisted of prayers to the gods; there was a second and contrasting kind which might well have been called a lament; paeans were a third kind, and there was a forth, the dithyramb, as it was called, dealing, if I am not mistaken, with the birth of Dionysus. Now these and other types were definitely fixed, and it was not permissible to misuse one kind of melody for another. >The competence to take cognizance of these rules, to pass verdicts in accord with them, and, in case of need, to penalize their infraction was not left, as it is today, to the catcalls and discordant outcries of the crowd, nor yet to the clapping of applauders; the educated made it their rule to hear the performances through in silence.>Afterward, in course of time, an unmusical license set in with the appearance of poets who were men a native genius, but ignorant of what is right and legitimate in the realm of the Muses. Possessed by a frantic and unhallowed lust for pleasure, they contaminated laments with hymns and paeans with dithyrambs, and created a universal confusion of forms. Thus their folly led them unintentionally to slander their profession by the assumption that in music there is no such thing as a right and a wrong, the right standard of judgment being the pleasure given to the hearer, be he high or low. By compositions of such a kind and discourse to the same effect, they naturally inspired the multitude with contempt of musical law, and a conceit of their own competence as judges. Same old story.
>>129035683I too was fourteen once upon a time
>>129035670Erm.. >>>/shreddit/?
>>129035696Personally I never had a Nietzsche phase like that, but hopefully you grew out of it.
>Alkan accurately noted Wagner’s unpopularity in Paris but ‘found it impossible to explain why such rubbish happened in Germany’. Apparently Alkan had met many people, artists and amateurs, who shared the same viewpoint, even if it were not openly expressed. Finally, with an appropriate verbal flourish, Alkan declared that Wagner was ‘not a musician, but a disease’.
>>129035648You have brain damage
>>129035711I smell envy.
>>129035724Kalmbach raped your mind.
>>129035701Bitching about Nietzsche is also a Nietzsche phase just for Christcucks instead of fedoras
>>129035739Thank you retard.
>>129035729Wagner did not age well, the dramatic music in his operas frequently sounds like a corny melodrama. He was a genius and a great innovator and poet but is also over lionized by pseudo who can't even read music
>>129035683>The lyre should be used together with the voices ... the player and the pupil producing note for note in unison, Heterophony and embroidery by the lyre—the strings throwing out melodic lines different from the melodia which the poet composed; crowded notes where his are sparse, quick time to his slow ... and similarly all sorts of rhythmic complications against the voices—none of this should be imposed upon pupils ...Plato's ideal music was literally every instrument playing the same note at the same time.
Wagner is enlightenment.
/metal/-tourists need to fuck off from this generalforever
>>129035763Yeah he was against harmony. A lot of early Christian thinkers were too, believing it to be pagan and not how Jews in the Bible played, that's why Orthodox and Gregorian chant often lacks it completely
>>129035763Try actually reading the full quote, instead of being tricked by pop journalists adding [...] to twist together malignant false views of the authors.>And with this view, the teacher and the learner ought to use the sounds of the lyre, because its notes are pure, the player who teaches and his pupil rendering note for note in unison; but complexity, and variation of notes, when the strings give one sound and the poet or composer of the melody gives another-also when they make concords and harmonies in which lesser and greater intervals, slow and quick, or high and low notes, are combined-or, again, when they make complex variations of rhythms, which they adapt to the notes of the lyre-all that sort of thing is not suited to those who have to acquire a speedy and useful knowledge of music in three yearsPlato is speaking about how to TEACH students. The beginning of this conversation even begins with:>And now that we have done with the teacher of letters, the teacher of the lyre has to receive orders from us. Read the actual books, you manipulated and lazy subhuman. READ.
>"As for Wagner, Heidegger despised him. In the Notebooks, Heidegger condemns Wagner and his effect on mass culture, excoriating his swoon-inducing compositions as part of the modern role of art as fulfilling the ever-hungrier cravings for excitement and raw feeling as a distraction from the ever-increasing emptiness of the age. [11]."
>>129035763>>129035802And before your low IQ mind bothers to respond, the reason for TEACHING monophonic lines is because we TEACH people simplified forms to hone their skills. The ending of that quote is this:>for opposite principles are confusing, and create a difficulty in learning, and our young men should learn quickly, and their mere necessary acquirements are not few or trifling, as will be shown in due course.READ, THINK.
>Schopenhauer, as it turns out, had no use—and no ear—for Wagner’s chromatic harmonies. Wagner sent him a beautifully bound copy of the Ring with the inscription, “from respect and gratitude.” The grouchy philosopher was not impressed. He instructed the Swiss journalist, Franz Wille, to convey a message to his friend Wagner: “but tell him that he should stop writing music. His genius is greater as a poet. I, Schopenhauer, remain faithful to Rossini and Mozart.”[3] The response was rude but not surprising, since Schopenhauer, who played the flute (not, like Nietzsche, the piano), was a lover of diatonic catchy tunes.
That /metal/-pseud making this place his new blog was the final straw for this general.It's been good, friends, but I am out.
>>129035850Mindbroken and mentally dominated.
>>129035780Probably the worst it's been for years.
Finally, a good thread.
>>129035269>too correct, not contrarian enough
>>129035735I dont know who that is brother the wagnerschizo is bad enough we dont need a weird metal copycat
>>129035391>>129035615kek
Cagehttps://youtu.be/pNM9DLrxOZA?si=O0SdgnRwDxgKu1zD
>sleepy general gets a shot of adrenaline>brainlets can’t keep upLoving Every Laugh
Webernhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=vdGDHGk_49w
>>129035945Faggot
>>129035997Metal is the fulfillment of Plato's theories of music since it died away with extravagance and counterpoint
Got jumpscared by Ogive I again
>>129035905which composer is "kek"
Post your favorite composition from before 1600
Haydn, on the greater of pianos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAjAhQdLNNc&list=OLAK5uy_mnUejE9KHBP8rUMWUvAq_aP4DvbhXzlnk&index=58
>>129036283https://youtu.be/0UbIx7-Za_I?si=N7oXZNOCnE18nwcB
>>129035780just block the term metal and retard and you wont see 90% of the posts
>>129035515cool cool thanks for the shout
>>129036064M3tal has passed away...
>>129036283Nice trick, music didn't exist before Bach
feels like a Bruckner 5 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toh3lN0FmmI&list=OLAK5uy_lxaeow_-mKMwnv72CsNN5bLn89Mli_uVs&index=5I've never actually listened to any of Klemperer's Bruckner before. If I like this, I'll finally check out the rest (he appears he recorded 4-9).
>>129036047no high IQ needed, everyone loves the Rondo. It's a great piece to get people into classical piano music in fact
>>129035752>frequently sounds like a corny melodramaCorrect. He is the quintessential OST writer for a reason. Bruckner and Mahler are for similar reasons beloved on /classical/ because they remind the posters here of their love for anime OST.
Mozart Rondo K.511https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMI6iOyszTUsurely this belongs at the summit of piano musicthen the K.485 is really great as wellwww.youtube.com/watch?v=kT3euVH1RCQ&list=OLAK5uy_kF-wKt7TGMPkOjzTsSssv-TSLs_RG0t0I&index=6and Adagio in B minor K. 540https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xoQO2yXR1g&list=OLAK5uy_kF-wKt7TGMPkOjzTsSssv-TSLs_RG0t0I&index=4anyway, say what you want about Mozart's piano sonatas but these three pieces are unimpeachable, if you don't like them you might not even be human
KNEEL
THE RADICAL LEFTIST COMPOSERS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY OUR MUSIC! They want everything to be minor. They want it dark, they want it sad, they want you to be depressed—it’s a total disaster! I’ve been listening to the Renaissance, very old, very beautiful music, and let me tell you, nobody understands the Picardy Third like I do. I have the best ear. I walked into a cathedral—huge place, very expensive stone—and the choir was finishing a piece. It was sounding very weak, very minor. Very sad!I told them, "Stop! You have to end on the Major!" And they did it, and it was incredible. People were sobbing. They’d never heard a resolution so powerful. The Picardy Third—it’s a very smart move, a very "winning" move. You take a sad song and you end it with a BIG, BEAUTIFUL MAJOR CHORD. It’s a total surprise! The audience doesn't know what hit them. It’s like a tax cut for your ears!The fake musicologists, they say, "Oh, Mr. President, it’s too much, it’s not historically accurate." WRONG! Josquin? A great guy, a total genius, he loved the Picardy Third. He used it because he wanted to win! You can’t end a piece in minor. If you end in minor, you’re a loser. You’re telling the world you’ve been defeated. Not me! I only end in Major. I have the highest resolution rate in history.And look at the counterpoint—very complicated, very messy. But when that Picardy Third hits at the end? It clears it all up. It’s like a beautiful wall of sound. A big, thick, Major wall. The monks, they knew. They were very smart. They didn't want the "Flat Sixth" nonsense. They wanted the Sharp Third. It’s more dominant. It’s more masculine.When I’m in charge, we’re going to mandate the Picardy Third in every choir in America. We’re going to get rid of the "Dorian" losers and the "Phrygian" low-lifes. We’re going to bring back the brightness! We’re going to bring back the glory! If you don't have a Picardy Third, you don't have a country!
>>129036658I always appreciate an anon making an attempt at an amusing and witty post but this is AIslop, no? in which case, please cease and desist
>>129036540We admit that K.511 is of a significant higher quality than his sonatas (of which ought to be lost to time in how bland they are), although we do not believe k.485 is very interesting, perhaps the melody is, but in-fact I am almost entirely sure that main melody was taken from someone else, but we cannot say off the top of my head. I believe I once listened to a fantasia by Mozart which also seemed rather inspired. Regardless, his solo compositions are of a very mixed bag imo, and I believe he probably saved all his good ideas for chamber (concerti including) and symphony, which we enjoy much more than his piano works.
>>129036678What do you think of his duo piano sonatas?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPspf6zE-M0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DGAqq5G3D4These compositions he took seriously, I believe.
I prefer Mozart's solo piano music to his concertos*runs and hides*
>>129036422Halfway through this and it's already a top ten 5th in my book, goddamn, why did I put it off for so long? I generally ignore the real old school of conductors for Bruckner (and in general, really), and I suppose I unfairly lumped Klemperer into that, when really he belongs in the transition between that generation and the next.Anyway, for anyone in the mood for a great 5th, check it out
speaking of Mozart's 4 hands works, now playingstart of Mozart: Sonata for Piano 4 Hands in C Major, K. 521https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YXXtLkpHCQ&list=OLAK5uy_mt7Lun9Sv74t2G-yz8D9IXraTFJE0Im8g&index=2start of Mozart: Sonata for Piano 4 Hands in F Major, K. 497https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ate7VDFNXTQ&list=OLAK5uy_mt7Lun9Sv74t2G-yz8D9IXraTFJE0Im8g&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mt7Lun9Sv74t2G-yz8D9IXraTFJE0Im8ga great laudatory review I came across,>Both performances on the new album, the Sonata in C major, K. 521 (1787) and the Sonata in F major, K. 497 (1786), are such life-affirming musical journeys that one feels, on one hand, the urgent need to salute Rados and Gerstein with rousing applause, and on the other, to hold on to the sonic imagery and contemplate in absolute silence, as an eavesdropper would in some dark corner of the church nave...>Revisiting these sonatas with Rados and Gerstein has been one of the highlights of all my Mozart experiences, an ongoing discovery made richer upon each new listen.https://jarijuhanikallio.wordpress.com/2021/06/22/album-review-eavesdropping-the-ferenc-rados-and-kirill-gerstein-mozart-moments/I quite like what I've heard from Kirill Gerstein in the past. I've never heard of the other pianist, which is noteworthy because the review refers to him as "a musician [of] stature" so he must be somebody. Anyway, this should be great!
>>129036696We find these of more interest than usual, and shall dwell/listen to them some more over time before giving a final remark or judgment. The finale of k.521 was enjoyable, if the rest of the piece tended to lack "drama" (even for that period), but such things are not always bad, time and repetitions in listening are needed. Currently K.497 feels very nice. We may perhaps have need to admit that while solo playing is of little quality, the 4 hands have potential.
>>129036919Thanks for giving it a try :)
>We
>Founded in 2018, the Dream House Quartet is bringing classical and contemporary music into completely new forms as a matter of course. It consists of the two piano sisters Katia and Marielle Labèque who are joined by Grammy-winning guitarist, composer and founding member of The National Bryce Dessner, and composer, musician and producer David Chalmin, both on guitar. Their latest album entitled Sonic Wires features works by Steve Reich, Philip Glass, Bryce Dessner, David Chalmin, Sufjan Stevens, Caroline Shaw, Tino Andres, David Lang and Anna Thorvaldsdottir. This deluxe version of Sonic Wires features the 12 tracks from the standard edition as well as the 5 pieces that came out on an EP called Dream House Quartet in 2023. It further features one brand-new piece entitled Closing (edit), written by Philip Glass. based or cringe?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx1WWXHtWmk&list=OLAK5uy_kwj6qcqun98pdsXPX38vE_aVPvacBTRRI&index=1
>>129037029We, as in the official /classical/ council that you are not apart of, but we are. >>129037031>two piano sisters>who are joined by Grammy-winning guitaris>features works by Steve Reich, Philip Glass>It further features one brand-new piece entitled Closing (edit), written by Philip Glass. HOLY NOT LISTENING!
Do you guys know any good videos on classical music studio recording?
>>129036678>of which ought to be lost to time in how bland they areTourist moment. I remember I thought this way about them too, but I don't remember being this presumptuous. Fuck off back to RYM and metal, dunning-kruger ridden retard
>>129037160>I listened to bland pieces long enough I developed mere-exposure effect, I did so because it had Mozart's name on it, he could never do wrong, even in pieces he clearly put zero effort in and was probably just paid to write
Listen to Offenbachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnn9RG_4p7w&list=RDMnn9RG_4p7w&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL6OyfAz5pA&list=RDGL6OyfAz5pA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrd21Z1tDtE&list=RDMrd21Z1tDtE&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u0M4CMq7uI&list=RD0u0M4CMq7uI&start_radio=1
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P78jU5QSyM&list=OLAK5uy_mKmANohqG2K64Qf_jAPaVhjQ0RjzwzDyY&index=9
let's get Choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KfN4SHch9g&list=OLAK5uy_lCiKfn2FGhFRRNXrU0eRdxLsLfabnnX0c&index=1
>>129036432>It's a great piece to get people into classical piano music in factNot really. It's a seasoned listener's favorite. If you showed the average music lover that piece, they'd be bored to tears. It's not nearly exciting (read: loud) enough for them.
Haydn's The Creation really is a work which gets better the more you listen to it.
>>129037488I disagree, it's Mozart at his most overtly emotional. It's tragic piano classical exactly as a non-classical music fan would imagine it to sound (in an ideal form, of course).Anecdotally, it's one of the first classical piano pieces which fully clicked for me, as it's incredibly easy to like and understand, and I've seen it praised and posted by a few "I'm not into classical much but I love this piece" type posters.
I've had this melody stuck in my head all day. Does anyone know what it's from?https://vocaroo.com/1cVkXqmdpw7i
>>129036678>blandNot an argument. Vague, meaningless, non-musical, reddit-tier nonsense. Not a real criticism.>weIt's only (You).
>>129037512>overtly emotional>tragicOh my god. You fell for the meme. Incredible how inexperienced you are. Please listen to a recording of that piece that isn't bullshit.>Vladimir Horowitz disagreed with the "despair" interpretation and cautioned in particular against letting it lead to dragging the tempo in performance. His remarks on the work were recorded by David Dubal: "People today think that slow playing means profound ... [Horowitz approached the piano and continued.] ... Here is how they play the Mozart Rondo in A minor. It goes on for eleven minutes with some pianists. They think that because it is in a minor key, that it must be Mozart at his most serious. But listen to how it needs to move. [He illustrates.] There are dance elements, too, in this rondo. It can't be academic. It is not really sad. It is pensive."
>metalslop opPlease stop trying to ruin the general
>>129037533https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFCqToMID50If you don't think it's Chopinesque in its overt emotionality, then I don't really know what to tell you, agree to disagree I guess.
>>129037524>Not a real criticismAnd yet you offered nothing for why its worth anything at all. >reddit-tierWe would prefer you keep your low effort 4chan buzzword drivel to yourself, and far away from this place of high quality posting.
>>129037543Schoenberg is a respected member of the classical canon, please stop bringing up unrelated genres on /classical/. Thank you.
>>129037533Why did you quote tragic and overtly emotional and substitute "slow"?
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh84Z5LqGXY&list=OLAK5uy_lZS_rngtRT_FydnSw7MhUNrhJmq6Bjuas&index=21>With Herbert von Karajan leading the Berlin Philharmonic in any performance, there are some automatic expectations: the music will be delivered with exemplary polish, balance, and a clear, logically implemented overall concept. These values will be pursued, if necessary, even at the expense of dramatic impact--the kind of impact you expect and get from Muti and Giulini, but there will be a beauty and a coordination in the performance that compensates for any lessening of purely theatrical excitement. As a matter of fact, there is plenty of theatrical impact in this Don Giovanni, and there are moments when the singing lacks the ultimate polish, but von Karajan's touch is evident everywhere, and it makes a tremendous difference. --Joe McLellan
AI Prompt: download the top 100 opera works to my library, remove the vocals, and press play
>>129037543A lowbrow with his unwashed smelly hair and deformed face has been causing a ruckus in here.
>tfw tired of all the standard repertoire symphonies and orchestral works>only way to hear fresh orchestral music from the greats is through their opera worksguess I'm an operafag now
The LARP group in my town is looking for a lute player to play "machautesque" pieces. Thinking of attending a meetup just for the fun of it. Ive played mandolin so it shouldn't be too hard Im surehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFRUM_iNzZ4
>>129037631Ive been doing this manually. If there is a way for AI to do it then I'll be the first to use it. There is a soulseek group that will upload opera sans the singing as well.
>>129037533We are not that other poster, but we can indeed hear that it does have some Chopin-esque ideas, however we do not believe this to be a negative here, and certainly prefer that over Mozart's usual lackluster solo pieces, which were sorely trounced in quality by Haydn's and CPE. While we agree that romantic schlock can be tacky in emotionally reach, we agree with you that this piece is not of a dreadful sort, and that it has an aspect of restraint that the era always does. We believe the other poster to be confused as to the total lack of emotion, or really any feeling at all in Mozart's sonatas, to be something of value and sought after. Restraint and emotion are both needed.
>>129037642Based.
>the total lack of emotion, or really any feeling at all in Mozart's sonatasWhat a fucking retard holy shit. Do not attempt to reason with this fool, and ignore his words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIWKqmkhD0M
When you are greentexting I always gradually lower the voice in my head when reading due to the descendo
>woke up today and actually wanted to listen to operaUh, bros… what’s happening?
>AI Bach is getting more views than real BachIts actually over
>>129037147bump
>>129037889Youre developing actual taste and the grip of pseud nonsense is breaking. Soon you will believe in God.
>>129037889You finally got tired of real music, congratz.
>>129037889Mental deterioration from old age, many such cases. Before you know it, you'll be listening to top 50 popslop.
Is Strauss the chuddest-looking composer?
Faurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7YmXxVCp7I&list=OLAK5uy_mU83v4iXw_W10cfEp5giiruy1NIpiKlzI&index=14
>>129038170Depends, have you written any music? zing!
>>129038170ENTER
>>129038381Schubert was an incel
>>129038434Based.
>>129038170
>>129036222>SATIE MENTIONCheckem. I (and everyone else) don't give enough love to the Ogives. The first of Satie's series of unique magical music.>RETARDED SATIE MENTION>>129035150It actually fits Satie quite nicely to listen to it as quietly as possible, alone in the dark silence. But I know it's just a retarded tier list, like this one>>129035208>>ELDER GOD TIERAt least you can tell straight away it isn't worth reading.
mad how good opera ismore humanity in a single measure from any baroque opera than in 10 hours of academic german bog crap
is First Fragment classical?
>>129038600Germans never made any real music, just theories and scribbles.
Is it insane to write an opera in 2026? I could write the music and even adapt a script for a play but I have no idea how to go about getting a venue and actors/musicians to put it on.
>>129038843I wrote an opera back in 2014 but Ive just been sitting on it
>>129037886based
Lentzhttps://youtu.be/jtWiQM8qy6E
>>129037604far as I'm concerned Abbado is the only Don Giovanni you need
>>129037533the rondo in A Minor takes 11 minutes even when NOT played slow though. playing it "sloe" would make it last for about 15. 11 is its normal lenght. any faster and it will be a noticeably fast performance of its main melody.
>>129038600If you dont like opera youre not white its as simple as
>>129038489>Formalism has fallen, millions must praise socialist realism
>>129035788>Yeah he was against harmony.Got a source for that?
>>129039231his crack pipe probably. people underestimate just how hard it was to invent harmony and understand how it works.
rec me chill experimental/minimalism etc
>>129039646https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0
>>129039646https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToWj_4xvVZA
>>129039646https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQOombqBqF8&t=3
finna travel back in time and force Faure to compose a symphony at gunpoint
>>129039724We prefer chamber here.
>>129039646here's one I came across earlier today (peep the whole recording obviously)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmrcJ8cxplA&list=OLAK5uy_m5KUSS0Ph_F6fqYo1jFOwOBwSYWVYszfk&index=4
now playingSchubert: Fantasie in F Minor for Piano 4 Hands, D. 940https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnt34Up0Ut4&list=OLAK5uy_l-1qtFTF3fEn9y_LCs-hq-y2p18X_Rewg&index=2Schubert: Piano for Four Hands, D. 947, "Lebensstürme": Allegro in A Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR2bxj6iHf8&list=OLAK5uy_l-1qtFTF3fEn9y_LCs-hq-y2p18X_Rewg&index=3start of Schubert: Sonata in C Major for Piano Four Hands, D. 812 "Grand Duo"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w3NqyW2lFo&list=OLAK5uy_l-1qtFTF3fEn9y_LCs-hq-y2p18X_Rewg&index=4Schubert: Characteristic March No. 1 in C Major, D. 968bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-1Shv14UWY&list=OLAK5uy_l-1qtFTF3fEn9y_LCs-hq-y2p18X_Rewg&index=8Schubert: Military March No. 1 in D Major, D. 733https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRJpqdh5bRw&list=OLAK5uy_l-1qtFTF3fEn9y_LCs-hq-y2p18X_Rewg&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l-1qtFTF3fEn9y_LCs-hq-y2p18X_Rewg
>>129039731The oratorio followed by the symphony are the peak forms of classical music.
Hey guys, i was wondering if you could help me find a piece. I heard it in a concert on TV but i couldn't catch the name because i had to leave.I think it was a violin concerto. The 1st movement (i suppose) was kind of loud/violent, definitely 20th century. Then, a slow movement followed with a slow, solemn, i-v-i-v exchange in the strings, very dorian, until the violin entered playing an exquisite melody above the chords.It was exactly like the piano accompaniment of this Svetlanov piece, but without the 8th notes on the right hand at the end of each bar (and probably a different key):https://youtu.be/eow_R3TEz6Y?si=oV_6ZMd7saMg-KUaThat's all i can tell you about it. If i had to guess i'd say it was definitely 20th century, but i'm not that familiar with this period, could be Rach, Ravel, Shostakovich, Elgar, idk, i have no idea... I would really appreciate if you gave me some clues on where to look.
>>129039848They are the peak of overblown theatrics and gimmicks, correct. The mass, quintet, quartet, duo, solo, and song are the finale of music.
>>129039863maybe...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCqWSLKcGAor Elgarhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ymphAmauFs
>>129039863Now that i think about it, it might have been more like a pizzicato bass quarter note and then a quarter note chord in the strings, in 3/4, idk, it's slipping from my memory, i think i related it to the svetlanov piece only because of the i-v but the rythm was probably different...
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>>129039901It's the khachaturian!! thanks!
>>129039927Happy to help. Good job describing it.
>meh string quartets>god-tier string quintets, sextets, piano quartets, piano quintets, clarinet quintet, and piano triosstrange
speaking of Brahms, I've decided I've come around on his Double Concerto. It's pure, distilled power. Very inspiring.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoyCCw9kU5M&list=OLAK5uy_mnUhx-A5hxyrx6uofsQtJq04Mg5NwUfAI&index=1I hope this bodes well on my coming around on Beethoven's Triple Concerto.
>>129039946String quartets were one of those compositions where the weight of tradition was simply impossible for Brahms to surmount.
>>129039994>mediocre piano sonatas>great-to-sublime everything else solo pianoyou might be onto something
People only like Brahms because his art feels attainable.
>>129040040Y'all just be sayin' shit and I be fallin' fo' it errytime because I'm too charitable.>Surely he's expressing his genuine feeling and might be onto some truth
>>129040000It's the same reason his first symphony is atrocious. Too much Beethoven and Schumann on the brain.
>>129040040wdym?
>>129040072His first symphony is underrated tbqh
>>129040067>Y'allPost immediately hidden and left unread.
>>129040082you deserve to be spoken to in that manner for being so vague and pretentious.
>>129040078It's vastly overrated and has been since its inception.
Mozart's Don Giovanni is hard to listen to without reading the libretto because there's too many solo talking parts, ie no music or singing.
>>129040090Melanated mind.
now that the dust has settled, is this the greatest Beethoven string quartets cycle?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7WPDYCMhmw&list=OLAK5uy_lOIJ_x5nRhM0Z67TtQSLdamYU8IxpMYa8&index=7
>>129040112>that cover>the Beethoven Quartet(s) performs the Alexander String Quartetshehe
>>129040101those are called recitatives mr. newbie and nearly all opera has them, and yes of course you should read the libretto what did you expect
>>129040134>what did you expectAs always, something to half-listen to and enjoy while browsing on my phone
>>129040144*rapes and kills you*
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bB4kKcrM1Q
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Falstaff performed by Abbado and the Berlin Philharmonic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YipW95mNHRs&list=OLAK5uy_kMRPrWRQW4cmvnyFMbRugVT3blAHdB7Kg&index=1
>>129040218>Deliuswtf I thought I knew all the English composers. thanks, will check his stuff out
For opera, is the conductor+orchestra or the cast of singers more important?
>>129040226you are fucking retarded.
>>129040241? what did I do? I should have heard of him sooner?
now playingstart of Bax: Symphony No. 5www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9yFmBXW5PQ&list=OLAK5uy_mBx7YR46zNPAY5jXraCV1L5YuMaYb1Cro&index=1Bax: The Tale the Pine-Trees Knewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE9m_Brs040&list=OLAK5uy_mBx7YR46zNPAY5jXraCV1L5YuMaYb1Cro&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mBx7YR46zNPAY5jXraCV1L5YuMaYb1Cro>Yet another British music triumph for Naxos, David Lloyd-Jones, and the Royal Scottish National Orchestra. Bearing a dedication to Sibelius, the fifth symphony of 1932 is one of Bax's most personal, closely reasoned utterances, its bardic splendor, slumbering tragedy, and epic thrust all most convincingly conveyed here. Not only is Lloyd-Jones scrupulously faithful to both the letter and spirit of the score, but he also has the happy knack of alighting on precisely the right tempo, and he never allows Bax's argument to sag in the way that occasionally afflicts Bryden Thomson's rival interpretation with the London Philharmonic for Chandos. What's more, he encourages some sensitive and sprightly playing from the RSNO (which certainly seems to enjoy making this mighty work's acquaintance). Completed the year before the symphony, the wintry tone poem The Tale the Pine-Trees Knew makes an apt coupling. Lloyd-Jones's performance possesses a clean-limbed vigor that contrasts strikingly with Thomson's more leisurely, wonderfully atmospheric view on Chandos. Astonishingly, Naxos has been sitting on these fine recordings for more than four years; let's just hope we don't have to wait as long again for future installments in Lloyd-Jones's absorbing Bax series. --Andrew Achenbach
>>129039646Salon de musique
>>129040238When you hit a singer you like you just spam them regardless of everything else imo but I still believe in love unlike some of the cocksuckers in here
>>129040238It depends on the opera. Most operas are really only singers operas, and the conductor is doing minimal work. Many operas have much more focus on the orchestra, and you can tolerate mediocre singers if the conducting is good. But on the whole it's difficult to sit through bad singing in opera.
>Fails to have a single good composer
>>129039646la monte young - well tuned piano
>tfw your favorite composer is Sorabji
ETERNAL HAILS KALMBACH THE SAVIOR OF METAL MUSIC
HEIL KALMACH THE KING OF FILTRATIONhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNdQVI4iwqg
>>129040591Can you please not post this in the classical thread. Nearly gave me a heart attack when I skipped halfway through
>>129040365Holst is their best composer and I will die on that hill.
Where do you guys upload your music these days?
>>129040617just hide and report its posts. by doing otherwise you will only encourage it.
>>129040644With a name like Gustavus von Holst, I always forget he is from the UK
>>129040708fuck off.
>>129035150>wagner>100This is what Glenn Branca did unironically. Maybe even 200>Riley >0Pleb
>>129040719northern Germans and the English have more in common with each other than anyone else, hence the term WASP (Wealthy-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant).
if you don't like Elgar, we can't ever be friends or sleep together, sorry>>129040708fed?
>>129041006Elgar is pretty good but Holst is even better.
I usually listen exclusively to video game soundtracks but I want to find more music that sounds like this? Is this like Beethovoen or Satie or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKQUblO-iCs
>129041044(you)kill yourself.
>>129041055>>129040723can you please stop doing this, thank you
>>129041064no. we're not here to interact with normgroids. we are here to avoid them.
>>129041044Not sure if you mean waltzes in particular or just piano music. Kind of reminds me of this bach song when played on pianohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3-rNMhIyuQ
you don't like Bruckner? think againhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/4u4E0NvyAY0
Barenboim!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzDhTGI72d4&list=OLAK5uy_kSrrtX84-Q3Dpjg6d4xH35hwcDWG4UMFc&index=8
>>129039741This is great, cheers.>>129040289I'm not sure how I've never heard this but it is lovely - very reich-ian but the vocals are an interesting touch. Thank you very much.Thank you guys for all the earnest responses (except fart guy), but these 2 I had never heard before.
>>129041080every good poster on 4chan is a normal person in real life. the worst posters are the ones who use stupid r9k slang like "normgroid"
Hats off gentlemen, a geniushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHZcKhvC1AoThis right here at 02:04 - 02:40 is work of the greatest genius of millennium. Harmonic wizardry.
>>129042505total crap
>>129042518Thank you deaf sister
>>129042505I am a classical pianist by training, and I've always thought Rubenstein was the best Chopin interpreter, has always been my personal favorite. And then I heard this. Truly, it is the most sensitive performance of the Chopin Nocturnes I have ever heard. Several reviewers here have criticized the liberal use of tempo, but I think they miss the point. This is not meant to be a strict rendition, but a true, very personal and heartfelt interpretation. It is as if he is sitting all by himself in a room, lost in reverie, forgetful of everything around him, forgetful of the audience, lost in the beauty of the music - and putting everything, his whole heart and soul, into every note, every trill, every run. I agree with one reviewer that he understands, and makes you feel, every note; and agree with another that he makes you hear parts of the music differently, more sensitively, than you've ever heard it before. And it is perfectly performed, his technique flawless, his touch one of the gentlest I've heard. It is transporting, makes me want to stop everything I'm doing and just listen, be carried away: into Chopin's world, listening not only to beautiful music, but feeling perhaps what Chopin might have felt while writing it, as if alone in a room with him, observing him at work. It is a rare pianist who can do all of that so well, and it is utterly enchanting. My hats off to this superb recording, this superb and heartfelt artist.it really is peak
>>129042525>>129042552here you can see how Chopin fans write in memespeak like "thank you sister" and "is peak (adjective)", and that's all you need to see to know they are children
>>129042574I only did it to countervail your "total crap" post
>>129042518>>129042574Here you see how lowbrow is filtered by aristocratic Parisian music, memespeak like "total crap" and "they are children", and that's all you need to see to know they are inherently low IQ working class.
this retard just needs to go back to his shitty black metal thread and stop pretending to be anything except a low iq poseur
>>129042737Not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
melenated post
I just publicly confused the opening of Beethoven's 3rd with his 7th, I'm so embarrassed
>>129043114There, there anon, we've all made the customary noob fuckup in identifying classical music in public before.
Wagner is the fire.
>>129043114lol IMAGINE doing THAT. I would NEVER do such a thing. you should just end it all my man there is no coming back from this. how will you even get a job
Mozartbros, I need recording recomendations for the 23rd concerto
>>129043114>>129043140>>129043183I wouldn't even be able to recognize a great deal of Beethoven symphonies I don't listen to (1, 2, 4, 9) unless it's the opening bars or some memorable moments (which are lacking in those 4 symphonies) desu>>129043188Uchida, Perahia, Buchbinder.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2r1ElXLXoc&list=OLAK5uy_meDuTrbJ0-XZ6DmcCYra-Rd4S7BTT9Iy8&index=4
feels like a Beethoven 9 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chJ8IpcpwzA&list=OLAK5uy_k2uwfnyWFuflFTlAc3PpZQoY7JWBpGIeA&index=1
>>129043258Are you not a fan of Bruckner?
>>129043258>>129043288One must love the 9th in order to love Bruckner
Quick question:Anyone can recognize this vintage background music?Minute 20:02 to 27:40https://youtu.be/Y1K2kMQu6GE?si=tnRZWpUVCFifbVVL
>>129043304fuck off and die.
>>129043288>>129043300I love Bruckner, however Beethoven's 9th is insincere and emotionally dishonest slop. I banish it from my mind every time I listen to it.
the 9th is his worst symphony
>>129043448Vaughan Williams? Harsh but I can understand that
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhd_OTWaSM
>>129043448Glazunov? Harsh but since it's unfinished and only one movement I can understand that
>>129043448Myaskovsky? Harsh but they all literally sound the same so I can understand that
>>129043258>9th symphony>lacking a memorable opening or momentHow are you this retarded? I don't care if you hate the symphony, it inarguably has an incredibly unique opening.
>>129043448Shostakovich? Harsh but it can sound like circus music so I can understand that
>>129043448Hovhaness? the form might be a bit unconventional but it's still one of his best symphonies.
>>129043448Kurt Atterberg? Harsh but it is a weird choral symphony so I can understand that
>>129043448Spohr? you must be tone deaf.
>>129043448Mozart? No one even knows what those early symphonies sound like so hate them all you want
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr325_AbfpI
>The alpha and omega is Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, marvellous in the first three movements, very badly set in the last. No one will ever approach the sublimity of the first movement, but it will be an easy task to write as badly for voices as in the last movement. And supported by the authority of Beethoven, they will all shout: "That's the way to do it..."
>>129043608It has memorable moments, including the opening, but it is lacking memorable moments relative to other symphonies, which are vastly superior.
>>129043712Well, other composers and music theorists can say what they want, but to me, the choral part of the 9th is superior to anything in the choruses of Mozart, Bach, Haydn, Handel, whomever.
>>129043747Huh. Even Lacrimosa?
>>129043712>It is quite apparent that the words of Schiller were later added and set by Beethoven with little skill and in a makeshift fashion to the real main theme; for this melody is first developed in all its breadth by instruments alone, filling us with the inexpressible joy of Paradise regained.>Never has great art produced anything simpler than this tune; from the moment we first hear the theme whispered in the steady unison of the string basses, its childlike innocence wafts towards us with holy terror. Thus the Cantus Firmus now appears, the Chorale around which (as around a Bach church chorale) the harmonic voices group themselves contrapuntally as they enter: there is nothing to compare with the fervour with which each voice, as it enters, animates this original tune in its purest innocence until all the adornment and splendour of the enhanced sensitivity is united in this tune, like the breathing world around a finally revealed dogma of purest love.
>>129043771There's no other chorus I must sing along with when I hear it.
>>129043803That's because Chopin never composed one.
>>129043809Sounds like a skill issue.
>>129043823He actually composed all-time greatest chorales, but for the piano. Never transcribed for h*man voicehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmGzcgl-Gfc
Avante-Garde is the only music worth listening to. All the other stuff out there is just repetitive crap.Also, Philip Glass went to Juilliard and John Cage went to Pomona College. If Mozart and Bach were truly good musicians, they would have gone to excellent schools as well, but they didn't because they had no talent, and basically just repeated what composers before them wrote.Unlike homophobic classical composers, John Cage wasn't afraid to push the boundaries of music by writing pieces such as 4' 33". Have Mozart, Bach, or Beethoven written something as novel and innovative as that - letting the beauty of silence be a defining characteristic of their music?Checkpoint, classictards.
>>129043969stop sucking cocks.
>>129043969I appreciate those who appreciate the contemporary and avant-garde stuff. I am deeply suspicious of those who appreciate the aforementioned yet don't like any earlier classical -- it's like do they actually like classical? At that point you're closer to an Art Rock/Art Punk/Krautrock fan.
>>129043281This is pretty solid, very third way (taking a lot of the modern elements such as quicker tempo and tautness while retaining traits of the traditional Teutonic approach), gonna check out the rest of Noseda's cycle
now playingAtterberg: A Varmland Rhapsody, Op. 36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TixG5UPhn-g&list=OLAK5uy_nA-G3R5Z0-65e-MtSZ772k6qEJUusOOnA&index=2start of Atterberg: Violin Concerto in E Minor, Op. 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yREyVjquDdc&list=OLAK5uy_nA-G3R5Z0-65e-MtSZ772k6qEJUusOOnA&index=3Atterberg: Concert Overture in A Minor, Op. 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aYqCHxKF6c&list=OLAK5uy_nA-G3R5Z0-65e-MtSZ772k6qEJUusOOnA&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nA-G3R5Z0-65e-MtSZ772k6qEJUusOOnASurely one of the greatest non-standard repertoire composers. All of his music is worth checking out.
Klemperer!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWcILpxhJdA&list=OLAK5uy_klYZIiDKnfuHMMjp0fd0_ouECVlE8xH5Q&index=2
I should work on trying to find the best recordings of Chopin's piano sonatas2ndhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyi3JN1M_8&list=OLAK5uy_l8njZ26tYDS74BnsWfkMoxLfCKIC-E0yU&index=33rdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQpJ3bp1OLw&list=OLAK5uy_mYE7DA0q8y1J3WO-nOZtYlrFhXHyvegWs&index=5bonus 4th Balladehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owawsUdsZlE&list=OLAK5uy_l8njZ26tYDS74BnsWfkMoxLfCKIC-E0yU&index=6
>>129044272none of those
speaking of Chopin, now playingstart of Chopin: 24 Préludes, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ3CdN-4aac&list=OLAK5uy_n7BHMuZElIUH0hV1oah8od6LN47MbpGWk&index=2Chopin: Nocturne in C Minor, Op. 48 No. 1 (Live)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mqZrUyr3rs&list=OLAK5uy_n7BHMuZElIUH0hV1oah8od6LN47MbpGWk&index=26start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Y-L-JQPRA&list=OLAK5uy_n7BHMuZElIUH0hV1oah8od6LN47MbpGWk&index=27Chopin: Polonaise In A Flat Major, Op. 53 (Live)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQHBSwltp7E&list=OLAK5uy_n7BHMuZElIUH0hV1oah8od6LN47MbpGWk&index=30https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n7BHMuZElIUH0hV1oah8od6LN47MbpGWkI find the Preludes very inspiring early in the day.
Rachmaninoff's "variation pieces": meh or overlooked? the Paganini, Corelli, and Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oILLr5Lg9OI
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let's see if i was first for the new>>129044372>>129044372>>129044372>>129044372newGulda edition
>>129035440Is this run of the mill boring concerto supposed to be futuristic? I mean it was composed less than 50 years before this shit >>129035439>symphony>concertoskipped>>129035911Typical insincere avant-garde piece, like Boulez above, feels like the goal wasn't actually to produce music, just to be edgy.>>129038998This one is somewhat interesting.>>129038278Starts off like a Debussy piece but then can't keep it up, gets dull after like a minute.>>129039676>minimalism>fucking sixteenths all the way throughI just don't get this kind of classical. Were they paid by the note or what? And I can even hear how good it would be with a few rests and slowing down sometimes, but this is bordering earrape.>>129039741Sounds like something from the Sims at first, without progressing to that kind of electric feel-good music. Feels a bit gloomy at times, happy at others, but it's mostly characterless instead of a good mix of the two.>>129039863Highlight of the thread for me. The screeching of the violin is grating at times (most of the time), but I love the piano, very Satiesque. Also love the themes, I don't think I heard Yakut or Buryat inspired music before.>>129039901Time to stop, I got a headache from the violin here.>>129041044Alright one more to salute the Satie mention. No, I can attest that it isn't like Satie. Feels more generic, on the other hand classical pieces tend to lack rhytm like this and are much more meandering. Maybe try contemporary pop classical but you are better off staying with vidya.
