Beethoven edition (with commentary)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vHpeUO5mwThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129012261
Alright guys, so get this.Richard Wagner right? We all know who that is. Big operas, bigger forehead, you know the drill.What if we replaced the Wag in Wagner with Vag for Vagina? Like this: Richard Vagner. Wouldn’t that be so funny? I think it’s hilarious, the greatest joke ever made. I bet /classical/ would love this idea. Thoughts?
>>129019584gotem Vagina! gotem the Vagner meme.
Can we go one thread without the Wagner schizoposting
>>129019609At times like these I think of the Master of Music and Poetry in whose name this general was consecrated. Wagner would not have allowed his discord kittens to grow so unruly. With his integral and organic conception of the artwork he would, while paying the respect due to those composers out of whose genius was formed these pristine instruments of musical understanding, recognize these matters as beneath the dignity of the true artist for whom they are but tools of his unified expression. Come, let us embrace one another as sisters and retreat to the seraglio to repose in profound meditation upon the works of the Master.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg
>Wagner has understood what many scholars only catalogue: that myth is not dead matter to be examined, but a living force that must be re-experienced or not known at all. His music does not illustrate legend; it resurrects it, clothed in sound so urgent that one suspects the gods themselves have grown impatient with mere silence.
Wagnerposting is a context driven joke.
Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms
>Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms Brahms
Brahms numero uno campeo del mundohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXwzfAu1BXI
>>129019771Literally me.
brahms was an incel
>One Passacaglia to Rule them AllHandel it is. https://youtu.be/2HynpKOlESU?t=24
>>129019951Based.
>Boulez’s universe is also an exclusively male one: each of the more than 110 musicians, scholars, poets, and painters cited in this volume is a man. Only three women’s names appear in the book’s six hundred–plus pages: Cosima Wagner, whose diary is a source for quotations of her husband; the seventeenth-century actress Marie Champmeslé, who makes a cameo when Boulez wonders how Racine might have been declaimed in his own time; and the abstract painter Maria Helena Vieira da Silva. For an artist writing in the last decades of the twentieth century, this is an impressive feat of chauvinism.holy vased... i fvcking kneel....
>>129020027I may have judged Boulez too harshly... his music still kinda sucks though.
>>129020027ULTRABASED.
>>129019626>>>/metal/
>>129020074Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.W.
>>129020083>>>/metal/
>>129020027>Boulez wonders how Racine might have been declaimed in his own timeThat's an interesting question. Where can I read Boulez' opinions on it?
>>129020093This pasta is old, newfag. That's not him
>>129020207>>>/metal/
>>129020207our boogieman has taken up imitation to flatter us
This general has turned into schizocentral, I genuinely haven't seen anything more pathetic in the last few years. What the fuck happened here?
>>129020348>>>/metal/
>When religion becomes artificial, art has a duty to rescue it. Art can show that the symbols which religions would have us believe literally true are actually figurative. Art can idealize those symbols, and so reveal the profound truths they contain.
might as well rename this general to /wagner/
Rameau, on piano, of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT15H458uoo
>>129020239>>>/metal/
>>129020348there's no schizoposting. it's a single clueless tourist from /metal/ who replies to every post he doesn't like to start shit in between spamming half-understood gibberish about keyboard music
>>129020464H.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Schenker>Schenker's views on race have come under scrutiny and criticism in the wake of international protests against racism in 2020.I'm glad Schenker got canceledWhen are Webern and Schoenberg getting canceled too? They were also German supremacists, I guess there's no point in cancelling them since they're not that important in music teaching and their music hasn't entered the repertoire either so nobody would care I think?
>>129020543>Webern and SchoenbergThey were part of the plan to destroy music, so they are never getting canceled, thats only for the bad go-I mean guys.
I got this melody stuck in my head, can't figure out what it is, I believe it's the beginning of a symphony or concerto. Played by the violins. Anyone recognize it?
>>129020631Something like this? https://mega.nz/file/E51zVTiY#MMR-2rA-rN6P0E3xnP1FH_046hOvxBtxbDFyVYBJ1h0
>>129020631>>129020666more like this https://voca.ro/1n0ue0SJMpiv
>>129020631Brahms' 3rd racket.
fuck I love Josquin
>>129020752>>>/metal/
>>129020749Thank you. I was foolishly only checking first movements.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vlMS0XnZ5o
>>129020757you're not fooling anyone, boogiewoogieman
>>129020752Based!
>>129020775>>>/metal/
https://www.youtube.com/@GNGianopoulos/featuredyour thoughts on this YouTube channel?
>>129020464He should fuck off.
>>129020769good. now fuck off, pleb.
>>129020814
>>129020687/classical/ voice reveal. Cute.
seen this in my youtube shorts, now that is an instrument I can play
>>129020941"What instrument do you play?""I AM THORRRR!! SMASHHH!"https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4iOyu1d_TyI
>>129020965>>129020941Gimmick firetruck composer.
>>129020980Thank you brain damaged cretin.
>>129021125Never insult Mahler like that again, vermin.
>>129021133>verminStop talking to yourself
>>129021141>no uNGMI Iass.
>>129021147>apparently I was insulted
>>129021152>IWho?
Honeggerhttps://youtu.be/D3ETrcy3dDQ
Satie could neverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBkTkxKDduc
>>129021162Your God.
>>129021162>>129021152>>129021147>>129021141>>>/metal/
>>129021200Tru. It has something of Brahms, Chopin and Beethoven in it. Reminds me of andante of Beethoven's 30th sonata a bit
>>129021209H.
>Recently, while I was in the street, my eye was caught by a poulterer's shop; I stared unthinkingly at his piled-up wares, neatly and appetizingly laid out, when I became aware of a man at the side busily plucking a hen, while another man was just putting his hand in a cage, where he seized a live hen and tore it's head off.>The hideous scream of the animal, and the pitiful weaker sounds of complaint that it made while being overpowered transfixed my soul with horror. Ever since then I have been unable to rid myself of this impression, although I had experienced it often before. It is dreadful to see how our lives - which, on the whole, remain addicted to pleasure - rest upon such a bottomless pit of the cruellest misery! This has been so self-evident to me from the very beginning and has become even more central to my thinking as my sensibility has increased. . .>I have observed the way in which I am drawn in the (direction of empathy for misery) with a force that inspires me with sympathy, and that everything touches me deeply only insofar as it arouses fellow-feeling in me, i.e. fellow-suffering. I see in this fellow-suffering the most salient feature of my moral being, and presumably it is this that is the well-spring of my art.
>>129019214L to me, I love Vaughan Williams
Puccinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXkejsykMYk&list=OLAK5uy_mPyrVrh-wHjasg5MJm-h9Tnx8-Wj8Sic0&index=1
>In the 1980s, conductor Giuseppe Sinopoli was the opera world's most talked about revisionist. Some hailed him for peeling off layers of tradition and diagnosing the neurotic opera characters like a Freudian analysis. Others thought he was just being neurotic himself.can any operafags tell me what this means?
>>129019522Tartini - Devil Thrill Sonata followed by Bach - 2nd Partita is an ideal combination for violin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtyTaE7LvVs
Wish there was a full cycle of Op.66 on a pedal by a real organist, Latry only recorded two of them, and the other sod on youtube called Roberto Prosseda is dreadful, and also played on modern piano which means the low end is mud during stuff like No.3, not that he seems to care how bad it sounds, just like when people play Mozart in the same way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCN87M5W-zc&list=OLAK5uy_mbSFvp16fSJz_cc0_o09z2BaaOkXdtZXs&index=14Its so easy to find harpsicord sloppa, but something with an actual benefit like a forte or pedal is so rare.
>>129021825Also the very middle of No. 5 is rather violent, especially for Alkan, bit of a sp00k.
>Top Five – Brahms – Double Concerto – The Best Recordings>Oistrakh, Rostropovich, Szell>Perlman, Ma, Barenboim>Shaham, Wang, Abbado>Francescatti, Fournier, Walter>Tetzlaff, Tetzlaff, Järvihttps://theclassicreview.com/best-of/top-five-brahms-double-concerto-the-best-recordings/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqrE-ucrkZI&list=OLAK5uy_m771mKtHMu8teIFVBZQ9xhNASAWDPL9-o&index=1
>>129021594wtf i like opera now!?
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVjr_87dZG0&list=OLAK5uy_m-R4Nsv6BeYRKfb4sFSxPTgDtaOaikN3g&index=1
Recording recs for each of Wagner's operas?
just listened to this, bretty gud :)
>>129022982I still haven't heard that or the Lubeck 8th. I can't find it on RT or any of the streaming services, and I don't wanna just listen to it off YouTube.Glad to hear it lives up to its reputation.
>>129022990they are actually both on RT if you search "Gunter Wand Live" it's the one titled "Gunter Wand - Live: Posthorn Serenade by Mozart • Symphonies by Beethoven (Nos.1-6), Brahms (Nos.1-4), Bruckner (Nos.3-9), Schubert (Nos.3,5,8,9) & Schumann (Nos.3-4) (NDR-Sinfonieorchester, Berliner Philharmoniker, G. Wand) [33 CDs] - 2012"you can just download CDs 21, 22 & 23 which contain both recordings
>>129023014Thank you very much :)
Bachhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=aS20C2rLPIQ&si=vJlcJcRE3x4On_VP
>>129023061You're welcome! I'd been searching for a download of those recordings forever and only stumbled upon that one recently. On RT, it's worth it to browse conductor box sets when a particular recording isn't popping up right away in searches.
>'Karajan was absolutely an inescapable presence. I first saw him in my teens playing the Brahms symphonies in the Royal Festival Hall, and I was fascinated and slightly repelled, almost, by the control and the distance and the perfection.>'I'd never heard a sound like it, and to be honest I couldn't make head nor tail of it. The idea of a conductor who would not make any visual contact with his orchestra at all is still something that I find utterly inexplicable.' ---- Simon Rattle>‘I got the impression from the concerts I attended towards the end of his life that there was something almost evil in the way he exerted the power, and that that was to the detriment of the music.’ ---- John Eliot Gardiner
>BABIA Poster couldn’t keep the schtick going
>>129023111They made their point and left their mark.
I don't know anything about music theory or composing, but what I do know is before Wagner, it sounds like they were all composing with five colors and afterwards they all composed with ten.
>>129019951he was a simp
>>129023118>TheyThank you, brother
>>129019951he was a gimp
Any Mozart or Beethoven to recommend?
We are so Back, brothers!
>>129023241mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT5mglBXzkkbeethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RneZT1ptTc
now playingstart of Franck: Violin Sonata in A Major, M. 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeoemv2FQW0&list=OLAK5uy_nvsaaccv-pGZRf19MDLmo5zsp6h45Rgug&index=2start of Szymanowski: Violin Concerto No. 1, Op. 35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KwVSj3Juyg&list=OLAK5uy_nvsaaccv-pGZRf19MDLmo5zsp6h45Rgug&index=6startt of Chausson: Poème, Op. 25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM4NmuPQUzI&list=OLAK5uy_nvsaaccv-pGZRf19MDLmo5zsp6h45Rgug&index=9Debussy: Beau soir, L. 6 (L. 84) (Arr. Heifetz for Violin and Piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDC36s9p_lI&list=OLAK5uy_nvsaaccv-pGZRf19MDLmo5zsp6h45Rgug&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nvsaaccv-pGZRf19MDLmo5zsp6h45Rgug>Secret Love Letters is a collaboration between two of the biggest names in classical music, violinist Lisa Batiashvili and music director Yannick Nezet-Seguin. Joined by the Philadelphia Orchestra, the album celebrates the fine art of concealment, of holding private passions just beneath the surface until they erupt. Also featured is pianist Giorgi Gigashvili. Together, they embark on a journey that spans everything from forbidden love to romance seen from the perspective of old age.forbidden love~
>>129023345KOEK!Same energy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYTpPT9QTCw
>worthwhile:choral/sacred music>listenable:lieder>unlistenable:opera
>>129024257All three are unlistenable. Gimme orchestral, solo piano and piano chamber music.
Is /classical/ a Quartetto Italiano or a Budapest Quartet general?
>>129024346Takacs.
>>129024257Wagner's music dramas are sacred Lieder-opera.
>>129022632Karajan of course.
>>129023807>female performerNot listening!
>>129024868You have not accepted my challenge, and so you remain a loser.
>>129024956Yeah because you wouldn't answer any questions and clearly have some bad faith examples planned.
>>129024975I don't have any planned, I would pick recordings at random. You're coming up with excuses because you're a lying pussy.
>>129025018>I don't have any plannedSure you don't, suuuure.
>>129025028What a pussy bitch kek
>>129025053Not sure how a woman could call anyone a pussy when she literally (literally) is one, but ok.
>>129025082Shut up loser. lol
>>129025082The world is full of such small wonders :)
>>129025086Whoops, meant to reply to >>129025053
>>129025094KWAB
>>129025088True, the smallest of all such wonders is the female mind, which has nothing else but cocks for thought.
>>129025103Sounds like projection ngl.
>>129025104>no uSad!
wow those two are really going at it huh
toasting in ebin bread
the counting meme
>>129024346Italiano no doubt
aaaaaand STOPpls
>>129024346Budapest
Bachhttps://youtu.be/m2TkyZTiw_E?si=0uegswmh1cbjsrHOKoekj
5https://files.catbox.moe/8eqyr5.flac
>>129025530Undeniable.
Did I really miss Christmas again?https://youtu.be/8-giSgxhBAs?si=CpKkVV3ojxSQO9uw
These threads fell off
There was never anything here to fall off from.
>>129025609Women, many such cases.
>>129025416>>129025505Was momentarily puzzled until I looked up these names and realized that of course it's the /metal/ tourist(s) again. Sisterposter vindicated again.
this general has degenerated more than any other general i've ever been in
Merry Christmas!https://youtu.be/98UjjwzJBFE?si=qe6oijQeub6rOfNh
>>129025619Adam Kalmbach is a respected and world renowned classical composer of the twelve tone technique, fathered by the titanic tonal revolutions of Arthur Schoenberg. Show some respect to the masters of music. Plebian.
>>129025639GOATed
>>129024346Quartetto Italiano aren't amazing in all repertoire but I'm very fond of their lyrical approach so I'd go with them.
Medtner is the worst composer in the world.
now playingBerlioz: Le carnaval romain, Overture, H. 95https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvU_FWJuFWY&list=OLAK5uy_mC8C-Q6Xp7NfFtzuOsM_yqvVEudpZKbqo&index=2start of Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique, H. 48https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMxXD8wthlg&list=OLAK5uy_mC8C-Q6Xp7NfFtzuOsM_yqvVEudpZKbqo&index=2https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mC8C-Q6Xp7NfFtzuOsM_yqvVEudpZKbqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raFIM3To_sU>But in limiting the role of sonority, in denying its supremacy or even its equality with the other elements of music, it is also necessary to determine its positive role, Its main purpose consists in an outward, sensual intensification of the coloration and dynamics (force) of the senses, which in themselves are already included in the other elements, but must be underlined for the perception of our outward ear. But with all this it is necessary to add that this respectable and obviously positive function of intensifying the senses and elements of music again turns into a negative one, when it becomes the mouthpiece of obviously senseless musical contents. >Finally the concept of sonority in connection with the distribution of music among various instruments (instrumentation) is already very closely related to the concept of performance. Possessing a great importance, as a sphere of the performance of music, i.e. its most sensible distribution, it cannot and must not play a decisive role in the evaluation of the paths of creative thought. The performance of music, which in itself is an extremely important sphere of our art, and possesses in itself so many substantial elements that many volumes would not suffice for their discussion, should at the same time never be placed among the elements of music itself, as a form of creation. It is true that performance may acquire the seal and force of creation, but only from the senses of the music itself of any given work, and only through coordination with them, a subordination to them and without any attempt to dominate them.
Frank Sinatra.
>>129023807> Szymanowski: Violin Concerto No. 1, Op. 35 WTF is that track splitting in a middle of a chord?
Does anyone here attend live performances? This week I’m seeing Emanuel Ax for a solo recital:Beethoven: E-flat Major Sonata, Op. 27, No 1Corigliano: Fantasia on an OstinatoBeethoven: Moonlight Sonata, Op. 27, No. 2Schumann: C-major Arabesque, Op. 18Schumann: C-major Fantasie, Op. 17Also attending Garrick Ohlsson perform Rach 2 with a local orchestra in a couple months.
>>129026202Im actually seeing Ax on the 17th with the OSM in Montreal, Beethovens 3rd concerto
Do people seriously just listen to Opera without watching the play alongside the music?
>>129026202ughh now I need to jerk off again
>>129026202Sure. Just bought a ticket to a solo violin performance of:Bach Partita No.2 in D Minor, BWV 1004Ysaÿe Sonata No.2 in A Minor, Op.27 and Sonata No.6 in E Major, Op.27Paganini 24 Caprices for Solo Violin, Op.1 (excerpts, 12 out of 24)Looks a bit crazy to me - that's an hour and a half of pretty challenging pieces, we'll see how it goes.On the other note Holiday Pops concerts are finally done so normal concerts would resume next week.
Ive never heard a Mozart track I actually liked, can you guys recommend something he wrote that was actually worth listening to?
>>129026413It depends? If it's something you love it's probably worth looking up a performance to watch too.
>>129026515The whole point of the piece is to listen to it alongside the drama, you are objectively not getting the experience you are meant to if you just listen to the music.
>>129026529I don't care.
>>129026556Why are you even here if you clearly don't take classical music seriously
>>129026499Given you haven’t said what you’ve listened to and what types of pieces you typically enjoy, I would just recommend you go to the big ranking link in the sticky and pick out the highest rated operas, symphonies, piano sonatas and concerti or whatever based on the classical forms you prefer.
>>129026590I do. I don't think you need to watch every opera to understand the music, or even listen to the recitatives in many older operas where the highest lyrical and dramatic feeling is in the arias.
What are the best DVDs available for each opera?
>>129026413>>129026590>>129026529Never insult Bruckner like this again, he is a very bright fellow and that is why we remember his solo works and chamber pieces to this day!!111!!1!
opera is such a shit barely musical form that Mozart only wrote for money so it shouldn't count against anyone. Bach never wrote an opera.
>>129026590>serious businessYou’ve done your daily hours of practice, right? You’re taking this serious, right?
>>129026499Piano concerto no.20. And no.23. If you don't like them, there's no hope. I'm not sure if it's possible to not like them desu, but then again this general is full of tastelet schizos who get filtered by the standard repertoire, so who knows. Keep trying or take a break and return to them later if not.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xmA4mQk5ns&list=OLAK5uy_lRpAWs_7aQSTwZ8zNKsB4i2OZDuFZHrY8&index=4>>129026681Oratorios are operas.
>>129026590Opera is a degenerate genre which could only be explained by the lack of taste found in Italy. The only relevant music ever composed for its musical value was chamber music without titles, most baroque and classical music without titles.
>>129026723as you said, oratorios, not operas.
>>129026760>>129026705I forgot this general was mostly pop classicists
>>129026806so true wagnersister
>>129026760Correct.
>>129026806It's just one imbecile from /metal/
>>129026806You responded to one of the few professional classical musicians here
>>129027403Most of us play instruments here dude, get off your high horse
>>129027452That doesn’t work after calling others pop classicists. I’m assuming you also make a living doing music?
>>129027403>professional classical musician>arguing on anime porn imageboard Bleak
>>129027522>5 minutes on a Sunday morning>featuring whoever you areI like being held to a higher standard now that it’s known I have a job.
>>129027596What instrument do you play
>>129027621Cello
>>129027659How original
Where do you guys get sheet music?
>>129027748IMSLP
Louriéhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaaF6N8LVzg
>>129027751thanks
Behold! What firetruck classical sounds like when taken to its logical conclusion. This is what Mahler and Wagner wish they could behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq_7w9RHvpQ
>>129028194That is, if you do not understand Mahler (or Wagner for that matter). What an embarrassment you are.
>>129028347Can't hear you, the sirens are too loud
>>129028194Finally, the ultimate Gesamtkunstwerk of the firetruck compositional method, the absolute pinnacle of Romanticlown symphony. If I may be so bold... I may only highlight a very slight lacking of post-African percussive hammers and drums, Mahler would have surely wished for the same to honor his black heritage.
Mozart's sonatas are like Shubert's, pretty uninteresting, if pretty. The concerti are great quality, but for solo piano Haydn's are of a much, much higher quality. Or at least I enjoy Haydn's construction methods much better, he is incredibly Beethoven-esque, or I guess rather Beethoven was incredibly Haydn-esque. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrkCCiSAMxI&list=OLAK5uy_lYOcz6PsYXffstzPReMFez9iEZrPNQwqY&index=2
Anyone have a flac of this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RYSQvrUrc
favorite recording of Beethoven's piano sonata no. 26, Les Adieux? some selectionshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiS-MQV6QwMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z26dfRI9rqghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAapbue97JEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtcJSmgy2ik
>>129029104Not a fan of giLELs?
>>129029113I don't listen to his Beethoven at all anymore but tru, youre right
>beethoven performed like haydn:(>beethoven performed like mozart:/>beethoven performed like bach:|>beethoven performed like schubert:)>beethoven performed like brahms:D>beethoven performed like chopin:O>beethoven performed like messiaenO_O
>>129029122Hes usually who I stick around with the most for Beethoven. Then again I'm rather russian biased because of the composers I started with. Thoughts on AshkeNAZI's cycle?
>>129029174>Thoughts on AshkeNAZI's cycle?fine but not great.
>>129029208About the same I always hear. I usually prefer Richter over him for Beethoven.The Igor and Goode picks are strange, are they actually good?
>>129029326>The Igor and Goode picks are strange, are they actually good?Depends on what you like. Both cycles are quote love-it-or-hate-it imoThey're worlds away from Gilels. If you love Gilels, I might recommend Yu Kosuge, Lortie, and BarenboimKosugehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4pfqUEwemE&list=PLwwzaMTPIDW9OTuZb-VWW1KugqbXVBmn9&index=29Lortiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBX2tfxv8EE&list=OLAK5uy_nti8_sK69i59DEk8paJTX7xOALi6-NUHc&index=42Barenboimhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ds2pwi27zw&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=26but you never know, you might end up loving Levit and Goode. Hope you enjoy one of these (if you're looking for a new cycle to try)!
>>129029104>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z26dfRI9rqg [Remove]Love that guy, he's the Elvis Costello of Beethoven's piano sonatas
>>129029378>They're worlds away from Gilels.In what manner?Also besides giLELs I also really like Brautigam too, for self explanatory reasons, the forte simply reigns supreme. It might become my favorite cycle because of that. Not a HIPster, I sometimes prefer piano recordings of Harpsicord pieces, but the forte is much better for recordings than the modern. >Lortie, and BarenboimI'll add them to my list. Thanks.
Imagine how many more masterpieces we could have got out of mozart if Salieri wasn't such a jealous cuck
>>129029634Absolutely zero for the piano though, that we can know for sure.
>>129029634Mozart was an unc when he died, he was literally 35. All his best stuff was behind him at that point
favorite recording of Beethoven's Op. 111?
>>129030234if I could only have onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frpa0t-4TKc&list=OLAK5uy_mPJ8NSFHLxnLjEymx2FHMjVmOExKFFygk&index=5followed byhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTacIGgt3UU&list=OLAK5uy_nBjgFmzFcOf11Q2eF2w6GfY7D1WPrJsj8&index=15
>>129030234Not sure about favorite, but Uchida is pretty good.
>>129030234ARRAURRAUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FIdtWSM4e0
>>129030234I prefer something a bit quicker for 32, because its frankly a bit dull otherwise. Richter is a clean 2 minutes quicker on the second movement than mosthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUeEbxXhbv8&list=OLAK5uy_mjjJfKSOyPN0P8w3Z_pHLdBXptMn416aU&index=10However if you are willing to take the fortepill (based), then Brautigam gets it done in 15 minutes total. I prefer his over the rest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZkwqrqweO0&list=PLxV6VwFCe969lLGWQDkrPsdkjCUWKGdq3&index=102
>>129030234richter leipzig 1963
>>129030234G-G-G-Guldahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZrEeAhQMU
>>129030535Gulda is bretty quick, almost as fast as Brautigam. Still might Richter thoughever, better rhythm IMO.
>>129027659Faggot
>>129030618>Still might Richter thoughever,*Still might like Richter more thoughever*
SS tier:OrganPedal pianoS tier:FortepianoCelloA tier:PianoViolinB tier:ViolaBassHarpC tier: HarpsicordGuitarD(ogshit) tier:Clavichord CelestaLol. tierWind instrumentsLmao. tierPercussion not named piano.
There should actually be more harp works, I think it has a lot of potential, despite the insane issues with sympathetic resonance it has. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_YrDOH9ECgI mean honestly sympathetic resonance gave me AIDS on guitar, which at least can be stopped if you have good technique, but I don't know how it doesn't mind melt the harp players.
>>129028194I can do you one better:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtjD3VehYiY
>>129030873>I don't know how it doesn't mind melt the harp players.I think they like the sound.
>>129030234Goodyear
>>129031255I suppose so, for some reason it doesn't sound as bad when I hear it from other people compared to when I play myself, I kind of like the way harps sound as well. Yet when I play nothing triggered my autism more than sympathetic resonance, play two notes after each other, and yet I can still here the overtones and harmonics of the original note even after it was silenced because some other string decided to start singing along. I literally thought I was going crazy when I first touched a guitar. Probably similar to how you perceive your own mistakes as utterly catastrophic failures that destroy the entire musicality of something, and yet someone else thought you played fine.
>>129029665sonatas 12 and 15 and 18 are masterpieces
>[soft classical music playing]
>>129031435If anyone else's name was on them they wouldn't even be remembered to exist. His sonatas sound completely phoned in. CPE and Haydn wrote much better ones. I would rather Haydn's Hob 20 over every sonata Mozart ever wrote. CPE was a much better keyboard composer as well.
>>129031475https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z2vy-nBajI
>>129031491Mozart wrote his sonatas for his students. His real piano compositions are the concertos.
>>129031491deaf
>>129031509for me it's>mozart piano sonata (arr. for concerto)>mozart piano concerto (arr. for solo piano)
>>129031509His concerti are good, but concerti are still chamber music to me, unless you count the Alkan arrangement (zased).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd_XS9_S0tE>>129031513>t. puts Bartok on his top ten keyboard composers list
now playingstart of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 2 in G major, Op. 18/2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk3vzE_bZTA&list=OLAK5uy_mvTK14siWibXQNKi5LRbifI7ve7nMEduA&index=2start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 6 in B flat major, Op. 18/6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfQc3XW9KKU&list=OLAK5uy_mvTK14siWibXQNKi5LRbifI7ve7nMEduA&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mvTK14siWibXQNKi5LRbifI7ve7nMEduA
>>129031516>>mozart piano concerto (arr. for solo piano)Do you know of any other besides Alkan's?
>>129031563No, I was just trying to be amusing.
>>129031565Oh. I was genuinely excited, I thought Liszt or someone had snuck one by me. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
>>129031575Forgive me, I shall not attempt humor for the rest of the week.
>>129031530>t. never listened to Mikrokosmos
>>129031628>153 miniature meme pieces in one Op because none of them are worth listening to alone
>>129031657Next you're gonna tell me that WTC sucks because it's just 48 miniature meme pieces.
A lot of music reviews use the words "mannered" or "fussy" to negatively describe recordings and while I kinda think I know what they mean, I'm not really sure I do.
so I listened to an hour of Wagner's Tristan und Isolde last night and alright, I think I'm starting to like opera, but you must be trippin' if people actually listen to four hours straight of this, especially since I'm not reading the libretto so it all begins to indistinctively blend together after a little while.
>>129031704People usually listen to two hours, then enjoy some drinks and light chatting during the intermission, then listen to the rest of it.
>>129031711True, plus the visuals. I meant all of the operafans on here who listen to it at home.
>>129031665>WTCAverages 4-9 minutes each of actual fugues. Mikrokosmos is filled with literal minute long meme pieces that are basically just etudes and gimmick ideas for fun. Some of them are downright fucking awful too, I am reminded of the first piece of vol 5, that I have now just unfortunately re-opened and reminded myself exists. Retch-inducing.
>>129031704>so I listened to an hour of Wagner's Tristan und IsoldeYou mean the first act, right?... right?
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Britten's Peter Grimes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTrLQGs6eu4&list=OLAK5uy_m2XJvB1nAshEZAsz3BFHE-t27f2-k1Kb8&index=1It's in English too! (or so I'm told -- good luck actually understanding what they're saying)>This is the third time Sir Colin Davis has recorded Britten's Peter Grimes (if you count the video version). On some very important levels, this is the best. The orchestral playing and the singing of the chorus are clearer---and captured more clearly by the engineers in this live performance---than anyone could have wished for. The people of the Borough are the real villains of this piece and never have they seemed more vicious; their hatred for and persecution of Grimes is terrifying. Similarly, Davis tears into the angry orchestral interludes with malice. His energy and tension in the telling of this story never flag, with tragic occurance piling atop tragic occurance. With one exception, the cast is superb: Janice Watson is the best, freshest-sounding Ellen on discs; Anthony Michaels-Moore is honesty personified as Balstrode, Auntie and her "nieces" are the most mellifluous to be heard. It is only Glenn Winsdale as Grimes who disappoints. Granted, his competition is fierce (Peter Pears, Jon Vickers, Philip Langridge) but even so, he has a great deal of trouble just with the notes (his scene in the hut before the boy's death is almost catastrophically sung) and lacks the searing insights of the other singers. In all, he's good enough not to hurt the performance, but given how superb the rest of the show is, it's a pity he's not better. But if you want to hear some of the glorious specifics of Britten's genius, this recording will not disappoint. --Robert Levine
>>129031746Sorry anon, I ended at the conclusion of this movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMDzUK553k4&list=OLAK5uy_m-R4Nsv6BeYRKfb4sFSxPTgDtaOaikN3g&index=6
>Herbert Blomstedt (98! years old) and Leonard Slatkin (81 years old) are both still alive:O
>>129031749>OperaNot watching!
>>129031787understandable
>>129031681Journalist terminology has no meaning and write nonsense to fill a page full of nothings.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYox_lFo2t0
>>129031758Man, you're meant to at least finish the act.
>>129031822You should be thankful he suffered through an entire hour of firetrucking homoerotic musical AIDS as it was.
>>129031822If I wasn't reading the libretto anyway what's the difference?
Bach-Busonihttps://youtu.be/0thfmJB1KC4
>>129031872Opera acts are musically conceived as single movements with a build up towards a finale. This is especially true of Wagner.
>>129031891Well, call it a skill issue but I wasn't discerning the structure anyhow.
>>129031879>Busoni's Bach piecesULTRABASED. I find his original works to be very difficult to get into sometimes, but all his Bach related transcriptions and such are excellent. Also this recording sound dreadful, very shrill and irritating, plus clearly played at a hospital for the sickly who are dying of whooping-cough. We would prefer you post Kissin here next time.
Is this guy a hack/will /classical/ make fun of me for listening to him?
>>129019522Mahler was the greatest composer of all time.
>>129032285I don't think he's quite as good as his acclaim and fane would suggest, but he's still very good, and if you're into the music he performs, then he's definitely worth checking out.
now playingstart of Schubert: Sonata in B-Flat, D. 960https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqdN-so_8T8&list=OLAK5uy_kT-SkhJ51fVZloLeoyrIyoCcL7csOozbM&index=2start of Schubert-Liszt: Four Songshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyjvh5oJefU&list=OLAK5uy_kT-SkhJ51fVZloLeoyrIyoCcL7csOozbM&index=6Liszt: Mephisto Waltz No. 1, S. 514https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEz2m_XL4js&list=OLAK5uy_kT-SkhJ51fVZloLeoyrIyoCcL7csOozbM&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kT-SkhJ51fVZloLeoyrIyoCcL7csOozbM>It's hard not to be impressed by Kissin's immaculate pianism here, his lovely singing tone captivates while the finger-popping pyrotechnics of the Mephisto Waltz are dazzling. Kissin's interpretation of Schubert's great B-flat Sonata stresses the lyricism without understating its tragic elements. The opening theme, pocked with little pauses and left-hand ominous rumblings, is wistfully stated, and the clarity of the first climax testifies to Kissin's masterful technique. In some hands the first two movements can sound unvaried but here they're differentiated in tempo and mood. Kissin doesn't flinch from the music's daringly slow tread--the pair take almost 35 minutes, or almost as long as some performances of the entire work, yet Schubert's "heavenly lengths" never outstay their welcome. The song transcriptions are drop-dead gorgeous, not to be missed. But the Sonata is the main show and while Kissin's performance is highly recommendable, don't miss those of Arrau, Rubinstein, or Kempff, among the great older masters who have tackled this work on disc. --Dan Davis END
favorite symphony cycle for any composer/conductor ?
>>129033006Bernstein/MahlerBarenboim/BeethovenKarajan/BrucknerBlomstedt/SchubertBernstein/SchumannKarajan/MendelssohnJansons/TchaikovskyAshkenazy/RachmaninoffSchwarz/Borodin
>>129033006Previn/Vaughan WilliamsBernstein/HaydnLevine/MozartBarenboim/ElgarWalter Weller/ProkofievVasily Petrenko/ShostakovichMuti/ScriabinColin Davis/SibeliusLevine/BrahmsBelohlavek/DvorakBlomstedt/NielsenThomson/MartinuHandley/Baxi think that covers all the ones that can be considered cycles. and don't forget, you will never agree with anyone else's tastes 100%
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW9jXWlC_mo
>>129031704You should read the libretto, it's quite good and keeps the musical structure coherent, and you could watch the performance at least once for extra immersion. Lohengrin and Tristan were also my first opera 'clicks' but I still don't listen to a lot of opera. I agree with the anon here >>129031891, the finales are usually the best bits except overtures. Although I found second act of Tristan really dragging, first and third acts were enjoyable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jQTRWPUfrwChromatic overdose! Lovely.>>129032327>Mahler was the greatest composer of all time.Correct. But only next to Chopin.
Part of me thinks there's untold depths to Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsodies and the other part thinks they're cute but ultimately wankery.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIKFn2UZsPM&list=OLAK5uy_kMlzvVSChLKj1Qu-U9Gbd6UhoXnNPmOVg&index=15hmmand obviously I'm talking about the ones after the first six which we all already know are really good
Anyone familiar with the pianist Reine Gianoli? I saw she has a complete (or at least very large) Schumann solo piano works set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiz_u0HgROU&list=OLAK5uy_lJWcEqrrG4X_rJV1GeUUatuofe4EdgvyE&index=7
Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3t3vVx5FNQ&list=OLAK5uy_kmjpbi3e53wxyrRmkZrecIqoTO3DuYzvw&index=3
Once a year or so I try to give Thielemann a fresh listen. I’ve heard him conduct live on multiple occasions (mostly effectively), I respect his love of music that I love too, and though I think he has some strange opinions and limited range, I do like the *idea* of him—namely that he is a throwback to the great German conducting tradition that has been in decline for well over a half a century. The problem is that almost every recorded performance of his (including all those that derive from live concerts) is the opposite of that and maddening to my ears—rhythmically inert, flabby, tensionless, and dull. In the last decade he has seemingly been engaged in some unending quest for as transparent, refined, and mellow an orchestral sound as possible, as if sonority itself is the be all and end all of all musical endeavors. I confess I could barely make my way through the first movement of this Bruckner 5 (a piece which I heard him conduct live in Salzburg a decade ago—a better performance in person). Yes, the opening bars are seductive—he’s got the VPO at its most lush, the beautiful Bruckner sound is there…but a few minutes into the symphony it’s as if his mind started wandering and he’d lost his way. This first movement is one of Bruckner’s mightiest achievements. The structure is laid out like a mighty edifice and also contains all the raw materials that will form the succeeding movements and keep developing until the blazing coda of the finale. Not that you could tell from this performance. For every bar of lovely playing from the VPO, every eloquent solo passage, there are whole stretches where Thielemann seems totally at sea in elucidating or shaping the motives and phrases that create the larger structure of the piece. Instead, he just plods along, seemingly doing little but coasting on the sound of the VPO. My mind started wandering, too. 10 minutes in and it had essentially become background music, so weak an impression was this performance making.
>>129029104Pierre Barbizet for sure
>>129031530how is Bartok related to anything here
>>129033716I will admit to liking his recordings of Bruckner 3 and 9
>>129033940He's not, but since you're replying to mentally deranged moron you shouldn't be surprised.
>>129034433thank you, sister poster.
Richard Strauss wrote a letter to Mercedes-Benz telling them that he would pose in front of one of their cars if they gave him a discount. The results speak for themselves.
Wagner is good.
>>129033006Leibowitz/Beethoven
Which Mahler symphonies do Wagnerians love the most? I assume, for Tristan und Isolde fans, it's the 7th or 9th. 7th particularly has very chromatic, intoxicating harmonies, whereas 9th is the logical conclusion of that harmonic language
>>129034849As a Ring fan, my favorites are the 4th 5th and 7th
>>129033940/classical/ has such poor taste and such an inability to hear quality music in piano composers they unironically put Bartok in their top 10 piano composer lists, proof: >>129011742 >>129011188
>>129034849The 2nd. I love the ending.
>>129033679>female performerNot listening!
>>129034916a lot of piano players learn Bartok's short pieces as some of their first serious music and so forever have a fondness for them
>>129034935You can't reason with a dunning-kruger fool.
Bachhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=7P8zV1i8grY
>>129034849probably number 5. It's the most learned of his symphonies and therefore closest to reaching the quality of Wagner's and Bruckner's orchestral works.
>>129034935I can't imagine many people decide to learn from Bartok when practicing piano early on, certainly almost no teachers and no books will give large examples of Bartok exercises. You might excuse Mozart's crappy piano music that way, but I think the Bartok placements are literally just people without taste. I mean one guy this thread unironically just tried to argue for his worth because of Mikrokosmos, which has such delectable high quality tunes such as the opening of the fifth volume: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48JNRsYOBbE. We must pity anyone who uses such music as practice, as it would seem impossible to know when it is being played correctly or not, due to it sounding so awful regardless.
>>129034983>Mozart's crappy piano musicimmediately stopped reading and will ignore every further reply
>>129034980>the quality of Wagner's and Bruckner's orchestral works.Dear anon, Mahler far surpassed both.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj0iP_VWwPA
>>129035003His sonatas are phoned-in boring schlock. No one would know they exist if his name wasn't attached to them.
>>129034983>>129035012thank you metaltard
>>129035010whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>129035017We would take one CPE sonata over the entirety of Mozart's sonata cycle. In-fact, we would take one Alkan solo piano transcription of Mozart's 20th concerto >>129031530 over the entire Mozart sonata cycle.
>>129035035thank you metaltard
>>129035038thank you metaltard
>>129035042thank you metaltard
>>129035046thank you metaltard
>>129035050thank you metaltard
>>129035059thank you metaltard
>>129035063thank you metaltard
fascinating behavior.
>>129035066thank you Adam Kalmbach
>>129035073thank you metaltard
>>129035076Wagner.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCTkzgSePiQ
>>129035086>john cageNot listening!
>>129035082thank you wagnersister
>>129035090that piece is by Feldman.
>>129035094Though he wasn’t interested sexually, Wagner was able to conceptualize, and rationalize, his romantic friendships with men via the Greek same-sex love ideal. He wrote in the Artwork of the Future a peaen to same-sex love:The higher element of same-sex love excluded the aspect of selfish pleasure [my emphasis]. Nevertheless it not only included a purely spiritual bond of friendship, but [one] which blossomed from and crowned the sensuous friendship. This sprang directly from delight in the ...sensuous bodily beauty of the beloved man; yet this delight was no mere sexual yearning, but a thorough abnegation of self into the unconditional sympathy with the with the lover’s joy in himself involuntarily expressed by the joyous bearing prompted by his beauty.
I just don’t care for this Schoenberg fellah’s music
>>129035101do you want to die?
>>129035099thank you wangersister
>>129035098Why would a minimalist composer need 4 pianos? Also this is dreadful, shan't be listening to another of his pieces again! The only meme composer we listen to here is Nancarrow.
>>129035109thank you metaltard
>>129035112thank you metaltard
>>129035113Schoenberg.
>>129035110Feldman mastered the art of making a career out of bullshit and I respect that.
>>129035106No siree
>>129035116thank you metaltard
>>129035119You must be a big fan of Webern.
>>129035121then I suggest you retract your statement.
>>129035125no because Webern convinced himself to actually believe in his own bullshit.
>>129035131Ah I see, the quality you admire is a self-awareness of their own charade. Fair enough! What makes you think Feldman knew he was making trash?
>>129035125>>129035131if you think feldman’s handling of form, counterpoint and motivic development and variation is in any way comparable or on the same level as webern, or any second viennese school composer, you need to go back to rym.
>>129035129No can do.
>>129035137I know some people in academia.
NU >>129035144NU >>129035144NU >>129035144NU >>129035144
>>129035139He's actually a RYM user
>>129035148Incorrect. I currently have 0 (zero) accounts on RYM.
>>129035148>RYMwhat are you talking about, Willis?
>>129035162Rate Your Music, popular among hipsters and midwits such as that anon.
>>129035139>the same level as webernWe consider Feldman to at least be possibly listenable, so Webern is not on his level, correct.
the Vagner meme
>>129029665>>129031491The Rondo in A minor is one of the greatest solo piano works ever composed. But you need a high enough intelligence and sense of aesthetics to appreciate it, it's very subtle. ;)
