Chad Schumann editionhttps://youtu.be/77m5DlCJ6wkThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129044372
Wagner is shit, prove me wrong
now playing, with the conductor whose name you can't say on 4chanstart of Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 23, TH 55https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yy_FaiKmKA&list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8&index=31start of Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 2 in G Major, Op. 44, TH 60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icb4DG6RRYI&list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8&index=34Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 75, TH.65https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT0CLGJyFRg&list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8&index=36I used to listen to Tchaikovsky's first piano concerto all the time. The last time was probably over a year ago. It's been too long! The rest of this set is pretty great, so with Gerstein on the piano, I have no doubts this will be solid as well.
actually scratch that, I feel like finishing this set instead, now playingTchaikovsky: Francesca Da Rimini, Op. 32https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZBeJiyote0&list=OLAK5uy_nYrKx4PreFjeZP1Qj9cl5thYfC5i5TKTU&index=20start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 in E Minor, Op. 64:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aloCp2WxshU&list=OLAK5uy_nYrKx4PreFjeZP1Qj9cl5thYfC5i5TKTU&index=21Tchaikovsky: Marche Slave, Op. 31https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChuMHuGgxnE&list=OLAK5uy_nYrKx4PreFjeZP1Qj9cl5thYfC5i5TKTU&index=25Tchaikovsky: 1812 Overture, Op. 49, TH 49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj0xab3M1Ls&list=OLAK5uy_nYrKx4PreFjeZP1Qj9cl5thYfC5i5TKTU&index=26start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, Op. 74 "Pathétique":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612Odka8GUk&list=OLAK5uy_nYrKx4PreFjeZP1Qj9cl5thYfC5i5TKTU&index=27Tchaikovsky: Hamlet Fantasy Overture, Op. 67, TH 53https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUv7JIRtxMU&list=OLAK5uy_nYrKx4PreFjeZP1Qj9cl5thYfC5i5TKTU&index=30https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nYrKx4PreFjeZP1Qj9cl5thYfC5i5TKTUTo the anon who tried some of this set the other day and didn't care for it: the performance of the 4th was great, so I got a lot of faith in Bernstein when it comes to these later Tchaikovsky works, so if you're interested, you should give these a chance too. Shame he didn't record the Manfred Symphony.Leaving the other post up because I might listen to those after. It's a Tchaikovsky morning!
>>129061560>Skinned the Lionwait you did what??
The problem with me ranking and comparing Tchaikovsky symphony cycles is I love the works so much, my favorite set is often whichever one I'm currently listening to. Same with Bach's Goldberg Variations.
did you listen to it yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq3IWjEVCF8&list=OLAK5uy_k0i549c6BfJN-GjCTwlNI-kmza1CUqbro&index=4
Wagner took everything from Chopin (and could not surpass him, let's be honest): chromatic, lush harmony, dissonant unresolved sonorities, long (unending) melodies, the list goes on.Chopin created the universe.
but No-pin doesn't even have a symphony...
>>129061662absolutely moronic post.
>>129060783>>129060839this one seems to have some nice reviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vu2UPN5WZs&list=OLAK5uy_n7x-U2UpLlDzA1rkXcpNwtcYlu3cTM1B8&index=1
For today's opera performances, we listen to Prokofiev's Betrothal in a Monastery and The Fiery Angel.biamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAlO46aWYeI&list=OLAK5uy_muFSAePUeSBrPWebAQUnCJDzvjzakJqL4&index=2tfahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wG5dmcMzBw&list=OLAK5uy_muFSAePUeSBrPWebAQUnCJDzvjzakJqL4&index=50
>>129061722wwwwwwww
>>129061715Yeah, I don't wanna hear or read that opera singing is the equivalent of lieder ever again.
>>129061662Absolutely informed post.
Shostakovichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq5ZafyJtlI&list=OLAK5uy_m4YxuJ7e6kapstd0Yzb4qOjVAOWCK8Fmo&index=20inb4>keith jarrett
>>129061761>Keith Jarrett (born May 8, 1945) is an American pianist and composer.[1] Jarrett started his career with Art Blakey and later moved on to play with Charles Lloyd and Miles Davis. Since the early 1970s, he has also been a group leader and solo performer in jazz, jazz fusion, and classical music. His improvisations draw from the traditions of jazz and other genres, including Western classical music, gospel, blues, and ethnic folk music.>His album The Köln Concert, released in 1975, is the best-selling piano recording in history.[2] In 2008, he was inducted into DownBeat Jazz Hall of Fame in the magazine's 73rd Annual Readers' Poll.best selling piano recording in history? I did not know that. Gonna have to check it out. And give his Bach WTC another shot.
Is the TelemannAnon around? What's your top five (or ten, if that's preferable or fine) Telemann works?
>>129061662Chopin wore a skirt.
>>129061761>As the pianist said at the time, “When I first saw these pieces in a music shop, I knew I wanted to play them. I recognised the language. But when I started playing them, they were so close to me that I knew I had to record them.” He began including Shostakovich pieces in his recitals in 1985, alongside works by Beethoven, Scarlatti and Bach, and his Shostakovich recording followed his acclaimed account of the two books of The Well-Tempered Clavier.>There was a musical-historical logic to the choice, as well: it had been a performance of Bach’s “48” at a piano competition in Lepizig in 1950 that inspired Shostakovich to write his own cycle of preludes and fugues.>“It didn’t feel like I was playing someone else’s music,“ said Jarrett of his first encounter with the op. 87. “[The pieces] are coming from some strange quirky place that I’m familiar with. They’re not ‘pianistic’ in the traditional way...”>In the CD booklet Hans-Klaus Jungheinrich writes that “Shostakovich tried to escape the distressing historicity of the artist delinquent in his socialist-realist function by espousing the hermetic artistic realm of Bach’s counterpoint – where he could forget his painful role of the voluntary/involuntary state composer. (...) Shostakovich’s cycle offers itself as the only remake of Bach’s Well-Tempered Clavier that can be taken seriously.”interesting
>As for the overall merits of Shostakovich’s Opus 87, Professor Mellers has summed them up well in the liner notes: “If there is a single work among his large output that assures us that Shostakovich is among the great composers nurtured by our bruised and battered century, this collection of Preludes and Fugues is it. One might go so far as to say that it places him among the supreme composers in any phase of Europe’s history. Listen and you will hear.”true?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MY_4wygvs&list=OLAK5uy_l6WAkMmF6QgHanobW8Q7zsPVCNTCub9iM&index=34
All these Andreyev interviews with contemporary composers are so comfy, I wish I was an intellectual contemporary composer like those guysInstead of having cool friends to talk about contemporary music i'm stuck here with a bunch of midwits who only listen to the same 10 romantic/classical composers
>>129061848You're a midwit until proven otherwise>>>Mensa.org
continuing with the HJ Lim Beethoven piano sonatas cycle,9, Op. 14 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hraUtFbCMJk&list=OLAK5uy_n4A0CR8JxZd5-sdnW8p1fCLTGiGQpLq2M&index=1710, Op. 14 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynkEhDQ06jw&list=OLAK5uy_n4A0CR8JxZd5-sdnW8p1fCLTGiGQpLq2M&index=2013, Op. 27 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm5L-ottbLQ&list=OLAK5uy_n4A0CR8JxZd5-sdnW8p1fCLTGiGQpLq2M&index=2314, Op. 27 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjCcfRYzh5M&list=OLAK5uy_n4A0CR8JxZd5-sdnW8p1fCLTGiGQpLq2M&index=26those who like a speedier Hammerklavier will find much to love in the one on this set. I'll link to it again in case anyone wants to try it,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3xTaoAyf_A&list=OLAK5uy_n4A0CR8JxZd5-sdnW8p1fCLTGiGQpLq2M&index=1
>>129061826>>129061761his Goldberg Variations is done on a harpsichord, so cringe. oh well, I'm sure someone here will like ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwIJ_TDG1f8&list=OLAK5uy_l0_uaMM0p9D8ej0t6fgygYgqYWjriTQ8Y&index=1
>>129061616Weird. For me it's the opposite, the more I enjoy a work the more picky I am with recordings of it.
>>129061892Well, I didn't mean I like every recording of it, but yeah, once it passes a certain threshold, my enjoyment of the music is so high it becomes difficult to properly rate the recording in relation to other great ones. This isn't the case with every piece I love though. Sometimes my position is more like yours.
huh, Keith Jarrett has some interesting recordings, like this Handel onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrAty_nTIpE&list=OLAK5uy_nnZf-elZn7XSFGjEpnLoGfaMRRbMd2Z4A&index=1Lovely.
every pianist ought to have, at minimum, recordings of:>Bach's Goldberg Variations>Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier (Books 1&2)>Beethoven's complete piano sonatas>Schubert's Piano Sonata No. 21, D.960>Schumann's Fantasie in C>Chopin's Nocturnesand then from there, ideally:>Bach's Art of Fugue>Schubert's Piano Sonatas 19 and 20, D.958 and D.959>Brahms' late piano works, Ops. 116-119>Liszt's Transcendental Etudes>Rachmaninoff's Preludes/Etudes/Piano Sonatas (any)>Debussy's Preludesis it really so much to ask? I don't think so. oh well
>>129062026oh shi, forgot:>Schubert's Impromptus, D.899 & D.935
>>129061798Who is TelemannAnon? I've previously posted about Telemann, so I'm not sure if you mean me. Anyway, what counts as a single work? Does Tafelmusik count as one or do you want specific pieces from larger sets?
>>129062026You forgot Scriabin miniatures and complete piano sonatas, but that's okay.
>>129052925>This. 100%.Samefag.Anyway, this isn't really an argument.A speech-like singing form already exists. It's called a recitative. And it's part of (older) operas. Always has been.Like I said, there's no such thing as "natural" singing. All singing is stylized, learned and coded. Folk styles included. There is no biological baseline that exists.You dislike opera because you don't understand the style and your ear isn't acclimatized to it. That's fine, but stop pretending it's a universal or objective fact.
>>129052930"Culturally normal" is more vague nonsense that just means dominant at the moment, not neutral, superior or more expressive. Opera was culturally normal for centuries in large parts of Europe. Pop styles are culturally normal now because of mass media, not because they're closer to some human default.You're also smuggling in a very crude definition of "expression". Listing surface effects doesn't prove greater expressivity; it just proves stylistic variety within a narrow expressive bandwidth. Many of those effects exist exactly because the singing itself is technically weak and needs coloration.Operatic technique doesn't "reduce expression" it reallocates it. Expression in opera happens through pitch control, sustained line, harmonic tension, timbral shading within a stable tone, diction, dynamic architecture over long spans and interaction with orchestral harmony. You're mistaking restraint and discipline for absence. You're a retarded dilettante.Saying operatic singing is just "volume tricks" is like saying counterpoint is just "playing more notes". It's a personal failure to perceive structure. Opera singers avoid breathiness and random distortion for the same reason violinists avoid buzzing strings = because it limits control, intonation and endurance.And no, randomly sampling pop singers does not give you "more technique", it gives you less standardization. Opera sounds consistent because it’s a codified high technique. Pop sounds diverse because there is no baseline and almost no technical floor."Objectively less expressive" is just a baseless assertion. Opera has conveyed grief, eroticism, irony, rage, tenderness, hysteria, transcendence, despair, etc., for 400 years without microphones. If you can't hear that, that's a limitation of your ear, not of the art form. You're a retarded dilettante faggot who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Consider killing yourself.
>>129062026>every pianist ought to record a bunch of shit with 200 gorillion recordings alreadyWe would prefer more Alkan performances than Hamelin and a couple literally whos that don't even bother doing all the major works. We would also enjoy if there were more quality pedal pianists, Op.66 has currently never even been fully recorded yet besides on organ. No one needs to hear your take on Appassionata, get in line behind the 800 other fags that all did the same.
what's /classical/'s favorite Anal Cunt song title
>>129062189>SamefagMeds, you insecure twat.>Like I said, there's no such thing as "natural" singing.Please refer to the very same post you're replying to.>Folk styles includedNope.
>>129062170>Does Tafelmusik count as one or do you want specific pieces from larger sets?It's your list, you tell me. Just feel like listening to some Telemann so curious what your list is so I can check out your favorites.
>>129061848Last time we asked you for contemporary music you linked us minimalist slop.
>>129062429He's a midwit
now playingstart of Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 55, "Eroica"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iHERkHUirE&list=OLAK5uy_mms0LNuKLnC1K66384Q_zbdw_S-JhvgXI&index=19start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 8 in F Major, Op. 93https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cCWoPKrLw&list=OLAK5uy_mms0LNuKLnC1K66384Q_zbdw_S-JhvgXI&index=22https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mms0LNuKLnC1K66384Q_zbdw_S-JhvgXIOne of the essential Beethoven symphony cycles.
>>129062194Not that Iass, but we prefer choral singing here and believe Operatic singing to be auditory cancer.
Jerking off to youtube band girls again
Jerking off to Wagner again
>>129061848On this episode of the Jordan Peterson Podcast, Jordan was joined by Samuel Andreyev. Samuel Andreyev is a Canadian composer. He writes music for orchestras, soloists, chamber groups, singers, and other ensembles throughout Europe and the world. He also hosts the Samuel Andreyev Podcast, a professor at the Hochschule für Musik Freiburg. He is also known for his YouTube Channel, presenting an analysis of works that he believes are interesting and important.Dr. Jordan Peterson and Samuel Andreyev discussed skills needed to be successful as an artist, where to start if you want to compose music, the hierarchy in western music, the relationship of music and language, the importance of genres, tips on learning composition, how having a family is helpful to his career and more.https://youtu.be/rNcqLN42l8s
>>129062651Embarassing
Who are the best composers from 1900 on?
>>129062756Stockhausen CageWuorinenBoulezFeldman
>>129062769
>>129061668He did more with a keyboard than most could do with a full orchestra.
>>129062899piano slop killed classical
>>129063062That was Wagner and opera though.
Can't listen to Satie anymore knowing he hosted gay satanic free mason orgies or whatever
>>129062756MessiaenBartokWebern
Who was the most handsome composer? From the pics that I see it should be Brahms. Beethoven was a goblin
>>129063062Liszt mindraped you
>>129062349I am in Athens and Pericles is young
>>129063998Elgar
How come you guys are still discussing this genre? No new music has been released for 100s of years.
>>129063998
It took Wagner nearly 27 years to create Der Ring des Nibelungen. We should all just kill ourselves out of sheer embarrassment. No greater man was ever conceived by the vulva.
>>129064345>
>>129062384All singing is stylized and unnatural. Sorry, it's a fact. I'm not going to lie for the sake of your fragile ego.
>>129062425Alright>Tafelmusik>Paris Quartets>Essercizii musici>Concerts & Suites 1734That's a lot of hours of spectacular music.
>>129063209>homosexual slander reaches even SatieDidn't think these threads could get even worse.>>129061848>>129062429Don't know you, but yes give us good contemporary classical, I'm ok with minimalist.
best Tchaikovsky cycle?
>>129064575Talking is natural. Singing is not. Therefore, singing that's closest to talking is natural. Inb4 recitatives - nothing to do with the singing style. It is indeed a FACT that the over the top dramatic singing style of opera is a direct consequence of lack of techology to properly blend voice with orchestra/project the sound to the entire hall. And so singing went from peaceful, calming, pleasant, "normal" talk/whisper-like to dramatic screaming. Any honest, reasonable man ought to agree. You are neither honest, nor reasonable.
>>129064774Markevitch, Mravinsky's partial.
>piano sonata
>>129063415Thanks for the Bartok req, this stuff is pretty coolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiJ4UKbrltY
>>129065239Mahlerkun finally doxxed?
>>129064865is that this one? it appears to not include Manfred, what is a good standalone recording of Manfred Symphony?
>>129063998Brahms was a goblin as well, you've just seen the airbrushed photos.
>>129061538lmao I forgot his name was considered spam for no reason
>>129063062based>>129063079cringe
>>129065389This release I have in my library includes Manfred.
>>129065563oh okay cool, i just came across that one, i guess it's a remaster of the same performances, with an added Manfred performance, that works.
>>129061538>>129065534Wait what? Why the fuck is it considered spam? B*chkov, what did you do my guy
Why does this dumb retarded bitch refuse to record Russian composers?
>>129065864Precisely because she's a dumb retarded bitch. Why would you want her to ruin good music anyway? Got some fetish?
Sometimes I get a strange feeling about thr 3rd ballade. I think it could've been the most perfect piece of his, but it ends, but it feels like it shouldn't end. It's like sweet memories from childhood, its most vivid musical representation, you don't want it to end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blJO3ESyF_kSome say it has no coda, maybe it's not meant to end after all. End of my schizoblog.
>>129064774>>129064774Muti, followed by Jansons
>>129065864I just looked it up and found this neat page on her sitehttps://angelahewitt.com/repertoire/It appears to be what she plays, and if you look under the Slavic section, you get>Piano and Orchestra>Shostakovitch, Dimitri- Concerto for Piano, Trumpet, and Strings, Op.35>Solo Piano>Mussorgsky, Modest- Pictures at an Exhibition>Prokofieff, Sergei- Sonata No 4 in C>Rachmaninoff, Sergei- Variations on a Theme by Corellibut yeah doesn't appear like she's recorded it. But I mean, once you start to figure out Hewitt's style and sensibility, it makes perfect sense she has no time for the eros and overt romanticism of the Russian composers.
>>129066066It is incredible. The hiss makes it extra nostalgic :3
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PGhDZst51I
>>129066410the quintessential American composer tbqh
Riccardo Muti is 84 years old and still alive, godblesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0QLQBjkCBQ
now playingstart of Berlioz: Les nuits d'été, Op. 7, H 81https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb5MxZMyXKE&list=OLAK5uy_lc4BLmv3sZP9vYahZPCt_OoNtRSoOSlwo&index=2followed by a handful of opera arias, I'll just post the first oneBerlioz: La damnation de Faust, Op. 24, H 111: D'amour l'ardente flamme (Voice)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qygJ7ymuZuI&list=OLAK5uy_lc4BLmv3sZP9vYahZPCt_OoNtRSoOSlwo&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lc4BLmv3sZP9vYahZPCt_OoNtRSoOSlwo>On casual listen, Graham can seem like yet another pretty voice. And it is extremely pretty. But there's an intelligence and learnedness that can only make her more interesting as time goes on. As is, her performances are slightly undercooked, though there are some moments during Les Nuits d'été as passionate and committed as one could want. The arias added to fill out the disc aren't heard in optimal performances, but show what riches lie in Berlioz's neglected operatic output, namely Ascanio's lighthearted aria from Benvenuto Cellini and the long soliloquy from Beatrice and Benedict. --David Patrick Stearns
>>129065862The usual case is there was likely some Russian site with his name that was spammed here some time ago. I also have no idea, and I don't wanna be disrespectful and crass by calling him Bitchkov instead.
rec me some Shostakovitch
>>129066430that's a pretty low bar to pass but yeah, I agree.
>>129066515start with the 9th.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLeuuyQgaiI
My music teacher was talking about Mahler just as a firetruck drove by, I just had to giggle to myself
>>129066515https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-LqdRXd6Pwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7MZVBeo3pAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgFP-BlKq3M
>>129066531Well Mahler did say he wanted each of his symphonies to contain the entirety of the universe, and a firetruck is part of the universe.
For me, it's the Allegro from Beethoven's tenth piano sonatahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_eHAlMfj8&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=33how did he do it bros...
$5 if you can pronounce Rozhdestvensky in one try
>>129066566he spent most of his time browsing 4chan. that is the secret to being successful at anything in life.
>>129066605Lucky for me, I no longer browse 4chan, I only browse this thread, and it's not hard to read/work on my goals and occasionally look up to see if there's any new posts.
Chailly + Rattle are the Bernstein + Karajan of our times
>>129066626sure. you can quit whenever you want.
handfull of italians in an old folks home mog most "philmarmonikers" these dayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94oOi7rS1XI
>>129066651All I meant was I've been genuinely addicted to 4chan at previous times in my life, nonstop refreshing the first page of a board for the next dopamine hit of a new post in an interesting thread. I'm not at that stage anymore. At the moment I just have this thread open and it changes the color of the tab when there's a new post in addition to the quantity. Doesn't get more casual than that. Browsing here probably takes up less time and effort than texting friends.
>>129066676break your neck.
Anyone here listen to all of Haydn's symphonies?hob. 1/1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnS9JWix4vg&list=OLAK5uy_k5Bm0sE1j6BoA78OfNV6388JmSICGcbJ0&index=1
>>129066729I have. the London symphonies are my favorite.
>>129066756Not sure if I believe you. Hum the main theme from Symphony No. 36 NOW
>>129066762how about I kill you? how about that?
>>129066785That's your prerogative.
Why is the saxophone used so little in classical music?
>>129066810Tradition, probably.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0vedUyS9w0
>>129066810it was only invented in 1846 and its incorporation into the standard orchestra seemed unnecessary. the Wagner tuba is arguably a more important instrument in classical music.
>>129066810>>129065864I like this Bach piece an anon posted some time agohttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=cA4raC4S2Mc
Just listened. Very good Elgar violin concerto from Vilde Frang.
>>129067087Agreed, one of my favorite recordings of that year (2024).
>>129066169>Brahms, Johannes- Scherzo in E-flat minor, Op.4>- Sonata in F minor, Op.5>- Variations on a Theme by Schumann, Op.9>- Variations on a Theme by Handel, Op.24>- Waltzes, Op.39>- Two Rhapsodies, Op.79none of Ops. 116-119? weak. I guess no one is gonna like and wanna perform every major work, there's gotta be exceptions, so I shouldn't be too upset.And she performs more Chopin and Liszt than I thought.
>discover and listen to recording>"decent, not great">later see it listed as a reference recording by a reviewer I respect>re-listen to recording>"oh wow, this is amazing"I really am just sheep huh
>>129067492You probably weren't actively listening
Always see this guy posted in this general but never listened to him before, where do I start?
>>129067607The 2nd and 4th. Then the 1st.2ndhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lfApciKEI0&list=OLAK5uy_kaGnLHF_YCQtlRGitMHttCRzGMeZZNotA&index=14thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7OnF9sVQw&list=OLAK5uy_kIKzfq37JmgseKJGE_ZjlcZE-t6d04aSM&index=11sthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78oicMpxe2Y&list=OLAK5uy_lFfql3nT2aSam3D5nZq5-sGFpBJFSu3vM&index=1Enjoy! Took me a few listens for it to click, and once it did, it was like an entire new musical universe opened up for me.
>>129067607https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uZy0wkterE
>>129065864sexx
How can I study musical composition seriously? Is it something you can self study? I'd like to produce a portfolio and make soundtracks for media professionally.
Didn't realize how much video game music was inspired by classical until I started exploring it more deeply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZqUZln6so
>>129061648the Wes Anderson of classical
>>129068350I do love it quite a bit
>>129068313I can speak 3 but I can read 5
>>129067607Symphony No. 2 by Zubin MehtaSymphony No. 3 by Xavier-RothSymphony No. 9 by Rudolf Barshai
>>129066515string quartet 8 by the Borodin Quartet
>>129068478I can speak English, Spanish, and PortugueseI can read English, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and Latin
What are the best works/and or recordings of the Ars Nova period
For me, it's BWV 869https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqmUn3Dgih0&list=OLAK5uy_nXZrYRnTHOmXSsccwZXvgIi3nSrOp-etE&index=47
>>129068561Machauts mass of notre dam
>>129068612Why do they have names as if they were car models
>>129068683BMW was inspired by Bach
So sad Wagner has no melodies
Contemplating writing a TV show which features classical music in a big way which leads to a cultural revitalization of interest in the genre
>>129069169In anime I think LoGH and Gauche the Cellist show creative ways of making a show around classical music.
>>129069265Grow up, weeb manbaby.
>>129069169Would take a couple generations of state-mandated eugenics. Your show would be either unrealistic or rejected by the mainstream.
>>129069319I'm not saying classical will be the focal point of the show, but rather perhaps a recurring theme and predominate aesthetic. Hey, I just finished watching Ozark and it got me to listen to some Run the Jewels for the first time in a decade, so why can't it work, even if a little? Worth a shot. And even if not, it'll be cool.
>>129069169You would be better off putting classical music in TikTok videos.
>>129069305You say this but if you watched them you would recognise the potential in how they use classical music.
>>129069428I'm not a child so I don't watch cartoons.
>>129069438Judging from this post, you really are a child. >it's cartoon therefore it's not le adult!Pathetic.
can we not argue about tranime pls, thank you
>>129069701You know what's actually pathetic? A grown man LARPing as an intellectual defending kiddie cartoons on an imageboard.
I need to start watching anime and kpop: Zoomer girls love it.
Bruce Liu's Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9jqEtvw2d0&list=OLAK5uy_mrRed3z8In7p4DhtWsh1ljMNJgSxQrcUE&index=1>Deutsche Grammophon presents recordings made in Warsaw during various stages of the 18th International Chopin Piano Competition by Bruce Liu, the newly crowned winner of the world's most prestigious competition for classical musicians. The jury awarded the top prize to the Canadian pianist in 2021, immediately after the final round at Warsaw's National Philharmonic. 2 LP set in a gatefold jacket.
>>129069722Yes, anime and Kpop are like the modern classical. Those and black metal of course.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9At2ICm4LQ
>>129069710>no u!Okay mr intellectual twat. What a moron.
>random bit from Mahler 9 pops into my mind randomlyAnd so, now I must listen to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhzAjZg81FA
>>129069754Go watch some Naruto while pretending to like classical LMAO
RachAnon, thoughts? >>129069732
>>129069774which bit? I get moments from the first three movements in my mind all the time but never the Adagio
>>129069732I prefer Bruce Lee.
>>129069776>Go watch some NarutoGood idea. I was thinking about rewatching Shippuden.>pretending to like classicalNo need to pretend. Sounds like what someone who's pretending to liking something would say. I have no reason whatsoever to pretend to enjoy anything at all.
>>129069788If I wasn't 5'8 120lbs I'd beat you up.
>>129069781Probably bad, I'll check it out.>>129069785Never the adagio? wtf? How can you prefer the inner movements to that masterpiece? The main tune at the beginning and especially neae the dissonant part pops in my mind often, it's so emotional and recalls themes from first movement. It's resolving so beautifully too.
>variations on a theme:(>polonaise:/>berceuse :|>prelude:)>etude:D>impromptu:O>nocturneO_O
>>129069795>How can you prefer the inner movements to that masterpiece?I didn't say prefer but they're catchier by far.
>>129069795>Probably bad, I'll check it out.I won't stop until I've rescued you from drowning in the hiss-whirlpool. But thank you :)
>>129069803>polonaise and berceuse that low>impromptu that highInexcusable. Polonaise-fantaisie is his magnum opushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZu5z5u_jM>>129069817Good luck LOL.
>>129069832Huh? Did you say "good recording!" or "good luck", sorry, couldn't hear you over the hiss of your mic?
>>129069858Cheeky boi.
now playingSchubert: 12 Lieder von Franz Schubert, S. 558: No. 2, Auf dem Wasser zu singen (After Schubert's D. 774)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNFA3LJ5Ycc&list=OLAK5uy_lQuHDVVGp-2lPtsWMqx2mOGarp9oBXLFk&index=2start of Schubert: Fantasie in C Major, Op. 15, D. 760 "Wanderer-Fantasie"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0FgQMiRkHw&list=OLAK5uy_lQuHDVVGp-2lPtsWMqx2mOGarp9oBXLFk&index=3start of Schubert: 3 Klavierstücke, D. 946https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idLAy9vfSVU&list=OLAK5uy_lQuHDVVGp-2lPtsWMqx2mOGarp9oBXLFk&index=11with a handful of other singular pieces I'm too lazy to link rn, since I do all of this manuallyhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQuHDVVGp-2lPtsWMqx2mOGarp9oBXLFk>Bertrand Chamayou, described by Gramophone as a "young French pianist of an impeccable pedigree," is already firmly established as one of the most thoughtful and fascinating pianists of his generation. Born in Toulouse, and a graduate of the Paris Conservatoire, Chamayou had ambitions to be a composer before the piano became his musical priority. His questing and creative spirit is reflected in a diverse and eclectic repertoire that defies simple categorization. It is not surprising that he drew the attention of Pierre Boulez, a similarly unclassifiable musician, who has conducted Chamayou in concerto performances on a number of occasions.>Gramophone has praised the way Chamayou "harnesses power and depth alongside his sparkling virtuosity," and noted his "textual clarity, warm and affectionate expression and luminous piano tone." Schubert's Wanderer Fantasy will always have a special place in my heart because it's the first piece of his I loved.
What's the best recording of Mahler's 6th symphony? I've never listened to Mahler before and I want to start with the best (the one with the hammer, obviously). DDD only, don't recommend any analog trash.
>>129069893For your first recording, I'd recommend Abbado/Berlin. If you want the best, probably Bernstein/Vienna.
>>129069893https://files.catbox.moe/ijexqb.flacNot actually but I felt compelled to share the first movement of this one.
>>129069904Thanks.
>>129069893I would suggest you start with the 5th, since it has more variety in terms of mood. 6th is rather depressive. But if that's what you want, Levine/LSO or Bernstein/Vienna
>>129069925>>129069893And the best is obviously the 9th but took me longest to get into it.
>>129069925>But if that's what you want, Levine/LSOAre you co-opting my opinion or did you try it and agree? It's so fuckin' good.
>>129069169Classical music is much too hard for a modern listener.I believe many people today hear music as some kind of abstract audio wallpaper with beat, melodies and harmonies are nonexistent for them.Of course you can offer some minimalists for these people.
>>129069931I tried a long time and I agree, it's closest to Bernstein/Vienna in terms of interpretation, but with better sonics. I don't like most Mahler 6ths, even Chailly got it completely wrong IMO, I can't stand it, it feels blocky and tempo is way off. Those two are the best.
Listening to music is not hard
>>129069944And orchestral works need big speakers to sound anything like the real thing. Electronics are supposed to get smaller over time so sound quality has to be sacrificed.
>>129069948If you do so mindlessly, maybe.
>best Beethoven SQ cycle>best Schubert SQ cycle>best Bartok SQ cycle>best Mozart SQ cycle>best Janacek SQ sethow did they do it bros?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUBRNbOYx_I&list=OLAK5uy_n036D243jFAyaLoOG5Lnbl0U6jpdfSoQk&index=1
>>129069951You guys are listening to it while posting on 4chan, that is the definition of mindlessness.
>>129069960>You guys are listening to it while posting on 4chan, that is the definition of mindlessness.;o -> >:(
>>129069960I can barely do anything while listening, it's way too distracting. Less so if I'm really familiar with the piece and only enjoying it rather than trying to understand it, but still.
>>129067607Just go chronologically.
>>129069893Ignore all other answers, it's Thomas Sanderling.
>>129067607Abbado, as anyone here knows and can tell you, produced the best Mahler cycle by far. The 9th is particularly breathtaking.
look at all these mahlerfiends coming out of their caves
The GOAThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOaIiHB58U
>>129070209tru
For today's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Tannhauser conducted by Daniel "Barenboi" Barenboim.openinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q-JXfXE1vQ&list=OLAK5uy_lwwRfvRlCVfNHb7rOPEPIXqPgOALSsSs4&index=2random movement in the middlehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ytLFOdCMk&list=OLAK5uy_lwwRfvRlCVfNHb7rOPEPIXqPgOALSsSs4&index=11
Listening to Strauss' Elektra the other night, I'm not sure if I'd characterize any of the singing as "melodic"
>>129070209Oops, wrong linkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXTIsP8xMs8
>>129070289Karajan's Beethoven is the GOAT, friend.
>>129070342if you're lobotomy patient with one foot in the grave maybe
>>129070366Well you are the high IQ professor of music. Who am I to disagree?
>>129070366kek
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O192eo9zbT4
>>129070366very true
Went to Barber's Vanessa yesterday. Didn't care for it much - honestly, English language sounds strange when sung this way. Very choppy? Or a lot of time they drag the vowel out but since most English words end in consonants the ending becomes sudden and somewhat jarring. The plot was a bit vulgar and Americans can't shut up about abortion for even a minute. But I guess that's my fault for engaging with mutt art.
>It will be generally admitted that Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony is the most sublime noise that has ever penetrated into the ear of man-EM Forster>[In Beethoven’s music] the dreamer will recognise his dreams, the sailor his storms, and the wolf his forests’-Victor Hugo>Everything will pass and the world will perish but the Ninth will remain’-Mikhail Bakunin>At a certain place in Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony, one might feel that he is floating above the earth in a starry dome-Friedrich Nietzsche>I know of nothing better than the Appassionata and could listen to it every day. What astonishing, superhuman music! It always makes me proud, perhaps with a childish naiveté, to think that people can work such miracles! … But I can’t listen to music very often, it affects my nerves. I want to say sweet, silly things, and pat the little heads of people who, living in a filthy hell, can create such beauty. These days, one can’t pat anyone on the head nowadays, they might bite your hand off. Hence, you have to beat people's little heads, beat mercilessly, although ideally we are against doing any violence to people. Hm — what a devillishly difficult job!-Vladimir Lenin>There are few composers who I feel that they changed the world completely, and if I think about that my first idea is always Beethoven-Ivan Fischer>Vienna's own Ludwig van Beethoven, who is, let's face it, the greatest composer who ever lived-Leonard Bernstein
>>129070526You are quite right. English doesn’t lend itself to opera singing, >>129070571Lenin sounds unhinged.
>>129069957>>best Beethoven SQ cycleTakacs>>best Schubert SQ cycleQuartetto Italiano>>best Bartok SQ cycleTakacs or Vegh (vague)>>best Mozart SQ cycleHagen or Talich>>best Janacek SQ setPrazak or Pavel Haas
>>129070628good recs
>>129070571Lenin was right
Quoting literally anyone who's alive would have more credence than quoting dead dictators and outdated dinosaurs.
>Beethoven 'was' the pop writer for the classical era. -Björn Ulvaeus of ABBA
Every subsequent composer justified (and even to this day justifies) what they did based on what Beethoven did. He is the embodiment of the ideal "hero", struggling against the odds, against fate, to achieve greatness. He is the ultimate artist, and ultimate perfectionist, he changed every form he touched, nigh-on single-handedly moved Music into a new period (where Bach and Mozart did not).
>>129070998>Every subsequent composer justified (and even to this day justifies) what they did based on what Beethoven did.Burden of proof is on you.>moved Music into a new period (where Bach and Mozart did not).This is true, but music only got better with time (as it did with Beethoven). Ultimate artists were the romantics.
>>129070998What came after was much worse than what came before.
>>129071153If you're low IQ, perhaps.
>>129061686Way too gentle, also strangely staccato and rigid in his playing, yet without any real sharpness. The opening theme should convey absolute strength and force, this feels like someone on autopilot who doesn't even really care for the piece. Imagine Milne, but minus the smoothness or underlying menace. The coda should have a very ominous feeling to it in a mid section, but this is just playing for the sake of playing, https://youtu.be/2BOZUHtuQ-s?list=OLAK5uy_n7x-U2UpLlDzA1rkXcpNwtcYlu3cTM1B8&t=118 vs https://youtu.be/raFIM3To_sU?t=1734. I will also note that the recording in general sounds like it lacks low end, reverb, and projection, probably from improperly placed mics. Perhaps he was just sabotaged by the awful recording/mixing, and maybe that could have transformed the opening into remembering that the piano is subservient to the strings. I also wonder what piano he used compared to someone like Tozer.At least I didn't drop it as quickly as Scherbakov's total lifeless trainwreck. Still not worthy of being listened to.
>129071801Faggot take.
more like midtner.
>>129061498>There's no mass psychosis, there's no mass deception, there's no mass affectation. If something is highly acclaimed and popular, people genuinely like it for genuine reasons.This, but the complete and total opposite. In this world there is very little that isn't mass psychosis, mass deception, and mass affectation, in-fact it is impossible to be an individual unless you separate yourself from others, for as when two waters meet - their liquids mix with each other. No man can claim to truly be of his own creation, but there are those of us who are more-so, and those who are less. >it's bad for me, for my personal criteriaWe abhor this kind of cowardly thought process here. "Its bad" vs "its bad for me", the same opinion is conveyed, but one is a farcical attempt to inhibit criticism and backlash should there be others who disagree. We will allow Medtner to convey with more clarity:>We must get rid of this habit of expressing our opinion as follows: "On the one hand it is impossible not to admit ...... but, on the other hand, it seems to me that to a certain extent" This careful beating about the bush of cowardly bourgeois critics has a ludicrous pretension to being "objective", In other words: "Since we are by nature so subjective, which is unseemly in these enlightened times, let us be objective for the sake of decency. Can people really imagine that by starting with a subjective lie they can ever reach an objective truth?>Criticism must return to the primary words yes or no. If these two words are the only ones that can exorcise the artist's material in his process of creation, in deciding him to determine what colours or images he needs; if the artist must himself present to the public not the process, but the result of his choice, why then should criticism be allowed to present its doubts instead of stating its opinion?
MEHdtner
>>129070998>nigh-on single-handedly moved Music into a new periodThank you retard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--4b9rCf7fc&list=PL9MUbGGib1jH1yryTzg_j1YKEUv3vhyGT
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 5 in D Major, Op. 70 No. 1 "Ghost":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT-R2-Skppo&list=OLAK5uy_ln10vg9NKupilvzfLe16AlZT6LjAaPT6s&index=2Beethoven: 10 Variations on "Ich bin der Schneider Kakadu", Op. 121ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0agQrLLPg8&list=OLAK5uy_ln10vg9NKupilvzfLe16AlZT6LjAaPT6s&index=5start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 1 in E-Flat Major, Op. 1 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0wyNnD0QF0&list=OLAK5uy_ln10vg9NKupilvzfLe16AlZT6LjAaPT6s&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ln10vg9NKupilvzfLe16AlZT6LjAaPT6sreleased in 2023
>>129072019Among the most dreadful covers we have seen posted, we prefer the vapourwave girl here.
>>129072019>>129072039>that picture of Beethoven on the groundkek
>>129072055>Oh, this guy? Yeah he composed the works but he's irrelevant, don't worry.
Unironically how do you guys still talk about this since there hasnt been new music for hundreds of years. Is it because their performances are so many you never run out of content?
>>129072081>since there hasnt been new music for hundreds of years.Thank you retard.
>>129072081We mostly just jerk off to Yulja Wang while pretending to be a lot smarter than we actually are.
>>129072081A) great art is timelessB) yeah, new and wide variety of recordings/performancesC) they still compose classical music fyi
>>129069169Ludwig will save classical, he was playing Shostakovich on stream the other day and his chat kept asking for the song. He's planting the seeds
>>129072081There literally hasn't been *any* music worth listening to since the early 20th century. So we have what we have. Start exploring real music and all your questions will be answered. What you're asking is not a legit question.
>>129070628...not once ABQ? :(
>>129072117He looks just like Agarthian Charlie Kirk. Holy based.
>Bach and Wagner, who apparently have radical differences, are the musicians who basically resemble each other the most. Not as musical architecture, but as a substratum of sensibility. Are there two creators in the history of music who have expressed more widely and completely the indefinable state of languor? The fact that in the first it is divine and in the second erotic, or that one condenses the languor of his soul into a sound construction of absolute rigor and the other dilates his soul with a music of prolonged modulations, does not at all invalidate the fact that both have a deep sensitivity in common. With Bach, one is no longer in the world because of God; and with Wagner, because of love. The important thing is that both are decadent, that both tear life apart with a kind of negative impetus, both invite us to die outside of ourselves. And none of them can be understood except in weariness, in vital nothingness, in the joys of annihilation. Neither one nor the other can serve as an antidote to the temptation of not being.
I just can't do the classical era sound of the symphonies and string quartets of Mozart (his piano concertos as well) and Haydn, sorry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Luo1gxqK9HkLike I recognize the wonderful form and melodies but it can't help but sound old, stodgy, and aloof to me.
>>Bach and Wagner, who apparently have radical differences, are the musicians who basically resemble each other the most. Not as musical architecture, but as a substratum of sensibility. Are there two creators in the history of music who have expressed more widely and completely the indefinable state of languor? The fact that in the first it is divine and in the second erotic, or that one condenses the languor of his soul into a sound construction of absolute rigor and the other dilates his soul with a music of prolonged modulations, does not at all invalidate the fact that both have a deep sensitivity in common. With Bach, one is no longer in the world because of God; and with Wagner, because of love. The important thing is that both are decadent, that both tear life apart with a kind of negative impetus, both invite us to die outside of ourselves. And none of them can be understood except in weariness, in vital nothingness, in the joys of annihilation. Neither one nor the other can serve as an antidote to the temptation of not being.
>>129072140>And none of them can be understood except in weariness, in vital nothingness, in the joys of annihilation. Neither one nor the other can serve as an antidote to the temptation of not being.pessimistic life-denying nonsenseaffirm life NOW
>>129072140>Bach and Wagner, who apparently have radical differences, are the musicians who basically resemble each other the most.You already know its going to be incoherent slop the second the paragraph starts off with "ok so these totally different things are actually closer than meets the eye". Doubly so for when Fagner's name is invoked, seems like his inability to write a coherent point rubs off on anyone who praises him.
>>129072165It's a pretty well-written quote tbqh
>>129072081Most of the music I listen to has been released in the past 5 years. Im exploring classical right now though because I haven't heard 99% of it aside from the most famous pieces.
>>129072165>>129072101We would prefer you keep your janitorial cliquespam to >>>/metal/
>>129072186We would prefer you dying in a fire because we are really tired of your pointless and autistic quotespamming.
>>129072204>xhe thinks I would ever quote someone praising Fagner. Tell the cat posting female /mu/ mod to give you the IP's so you don't embarrass yourself like this again.
>>129072117post timestamp? I didnt know he knew shash
I want to SMELL Yuja’s WANG
>>129072423Thank you for the cliquespam.
>>129072423based.
>>129072436Why did you just reply to yourself, Iass?
>>129072177It’s nothing but a sappy word soup. Nothing of intellectual substance.
>>129072460Correct.
I want to smell Glenn's Gould or Rach's maninoff :333
>>129072081Retardhttps://youtu.be/onOex2WXjbA
Quotetranny honestly should go.
Quoteposting can spark discussion, but any quotes revolving around Fagner are incapable of doing so because they all fail to write anything that could be considered as proper human communication.
>Quoteposting can spark discussion, but any quotes revolving around Fagner are incapable of doing so because they all fail to write anything that could be considered as proper human communication.
>>129072568Thank you for the cliquespam.
Thank you for the cliquespam.
Quotetroonery is for people that are unable to have deep thoughts themselves.
>>129072487It pisses me off that he changed his name from Gold to Gould. It could have been Gold plays the Goldberg variations
brahms
braps
That Rubinstein posture always makes me feel uneasy, you know? It's like he's got a rod attached on his back or something, hurts to watch.
>I think black metal is not only a highly chromatic idiom but an unusually open one; it can accommodate microtonality easily. I have a romantic and self-serving conception of black metal as a genre with a certain respect for idiosyncrasy and adventurousness built into its foundations, where artists can pursue individual creative goals wherever they may lead and the main audience expectation is that the artists remain indifferent to audience expectation.
not classical
FUCK. Take me back to 1900'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcfkyW_uVBQ
Chopin https://youtu.be/mYWPpBwTcXA?si=IORqonSpBUqx9-88
Mahlerfags won't admit this but the supreme firetrucker is actually R. Strauss.
Any good non-HIP recordings of Bach's Musical Offering? No Marriner pls
>>129073597PLEASE compare this ABSOLUTELY MESEMRIZING Horowitz/Rostropovich performance with this UTTER ATROCITY by yellow piss label:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvoKzdw6wIoAnd tell me standards didn't decline. What a pile of shit.
Can someone explain Schoenberg to me, it sounds like schizophrenia
>>129073915Start with early Schoenberg(i.e. Pelleas und Melisande, Verklärte Nacht) - he demonstrates the limits of Romanticism and shows first, tentative breaks from it. After that slowly move to his later stuff. Jumping straight into late 12 tone Schoenberg is not recommended.
>Schoenberg drew comparisons between Germany's assault on France and his assault on decadent bourgeois artistic values. In August 1914, while denouncing the music of Bizet, Stravinsky, and Ravel, he wrote: "Now comes the reckoning! Now we will throw these mediocre kitschmongers into slavery, and teach them to venerate the German spirit and to worship the German God".What the fuck was his problem
>>129073994>his assault on decadent bourgeois artistic valuesTranslation: European values.>venerate the German spirit and to worship the German God".Translation: Yahweh and his unholy spirit.
>>129073994Too based
Kind of over whelming getting into classical, there is just so much of it and its hard exploring it all
>>129073994a lifetime of psychosis
>>129074084I've been getting really into classical the past 2 months and thats how I felt. I just started listening to symphonies and following what I liked based on composer and conductor. ie. if I like Beethoven 6, I will check out his other symphonies or listen to other performances from the conductor of the recording I like. I think it's better to focus on one composer at a time.
>>129069732>>129069781Above average, but still so weak. Listen to Hofmann, he pours his entire heart and soul in each and every phrase. So much variety, expression:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhucWU-5vnoI comparedReally there's no match. Hofmann's tone sings, Liu's is inconsistent. Former know the natural tendency of the human singing voice, latter does not. Isn't it obvious?>>129074084>>129074148Based newfags. Keep listening.
>>129066810https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsfPS7pXg1ETLDR the guy who invented the saxophone was so aggressive and obnoxious with his marketing that orchestra musicians refused to buy any of his instruments, including saxophones and they would boycott any composition that included saxophones
>>129073603Beautiful. Lhévinne's 25/6 is simply unmatched, isn't it? So much expression and control over the thirds, like he's not even playing thirds, but single notes.
>>129069169>>129069319>>129069944>I'm so high brow I listen to classical!
>>129074482Thank you sister.
>>129074482Who are you quoting?
>>129073915Basically classical music is a solved game and tonality is flawed
>>129073915Leave it to the low IQ academic circlejerk and listen to Rachmaninoff instead.
>Yeah dude, the whole thing will be played in helicopters, isn't that so randumGlad he lived long enough to watch Invader Zim, that shit probably blew his mind
>>129074816We prefer Stockhausen over the rest of the 12 tone school, if only for the fact at least he was instrumental in electronic sounds. The rest of them just converted math homework into "music".
>>129074816That was so stupid. Stockhausen was a massive retard.
Cocksucksen blows
Stockhausen = Only useful member of the serialist movement.Webern = King of unlistenablity, seemingly unaware of this fact because of low IQ. Schoenberg = Killer of classical music, based retard.Xenekis = The obvious endpoint of the modernism, in which everything has become subservient to pure math with zero regard to actual musicality.
>this is considered "art"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13D1YY_BvWU
>>129074895Better tha Midtner or Scriabini
>>129074862>>129074903Thank you for the cliquespam.
>>129073915His best work was inspired by a poem about a guy getting cucked, that’s all you need to know
>Yeah so his name is Zim and he's like this little green alien invader trying to conquer earth and gets into a whole bunch of different hijinks
>>129074916>His best workwhich one?
>>129074937His life story
>>129074937His magnum opus was probably produced by the sound of the ropes leading his coffin into the dirt.
>>129074884Webern has a very few good pieces. His best piece wasn't even published, because it was too beautiful:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdhrMcfTxNcSad, or rather hilarious, but true. He could've been a decent composer.
>>129074962He was trans. Based.
anyone who accuses Schoenberg of killing music fails to realize that the people who actually killed music acted against Schoenberg's wishes and teachings.
>>129074969Thank you for the cliquespam.
Saying Schoenberg killed music is like saying Deep Blue killed chess. He just happened to be there at the end for the logical conclusion of classical.
Can we stop mentioning shit SVS composers already? Let's just stick with romantics, and maybe baroque, renaissance. Leave the rest to reddit.
>>129074972We are tired of the pathetic defense for Schoenberg, who himself admitted Webern was half responsible for the fruition of the twelve tone technique, and even allowed Webern to be the best golem imaginable by following him around moving to wherever Schoenberg did. Imagine reading this >>129073994 and thinking he wasn't doing it all on purpose, and had any plans besides solely to kill classical music.
>>129074991Incorrect. >All individual shadings, all chromatic or enharmonic coloration of our fundamental senses, all that dazzled us so much in the music of the great masters of the last century, was just so much evidence for us of the inexhaustible and flexible fund of our common musical language. And conversely; all the attempts of past innovators to alter the very foundation of the mode (whether by substituting for it the whole tone scale, or by proclaiming the principle of atonality) have turned the musical language into some sort of jargon which in its extreme poverty showed no capacity whatsoever for life. >All the fundamental senses of the musical language, like the strings of our instruments, are in a firm interrelation. The elimination of even one string from our common lyre renders impossible the whole musical game. >Any chess or card player believes that the combinations of his game are inexhaustible, unrepeatable, and therefore he starts every new game on the same chessboard, or with the same pack of cards, Whereas we, instead of playing new games, turn to the invention of a new chess board, new cards.
>Hector is the quotetrannyLMAO
>>129074962>Webern has a very few good piecesAnything listenable was crafted before Schoenberg got his greasy hooked nose into him and cast a spell of abrakagoyim to turn him into the more pathetic golem cattle even seen on earth. His music reflected his lack of intelligence and utterly poor spirit.
>>129074998we've gone over this>non-redditmachaut ockeghem lassus morales josquin gesualdo monteverdi buxtehude bach handel haydn mozart schubert beethoven wagner brahms mahler bruckner schoenberg berg webern>redditvivaldi chopin rachnaminoff shostakovich tchaikovsky debussy any and all American composers puccini verdi dvorak bizet berlioz and video game and movie sountrack composers
>>129075047> wagner mahler bruckner schoenberg berg webernThese are all reddit.
Mahler 2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMd5LXU6GyA&list=OLAK5uy_n8DDA2GM-2mDbJJDHpnndGBa_oqYW8gD8&index=1The opening is so epic.
SVS edition next please
>>129075043>Anything listenable was crafted before Schoenberg got his greasy hooked nose into himNot wrong, lol
the vagner meme
>>129075017Use your own words, Im not reading some quote from a dead old white guy
>>129075107I remember still the first time I saw the Vagner meme.It was 73, Brahmscuck was on /classical/ with the trusty Sibelius. I'd never seen Vagner before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Vagner was a tranny meme, and it certainly showed in its humor. I distinctly remember smirking to the memes. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come in first syllable of the word Vagner, when happened the eponymous vag.Vagina! A single pun, and just after Wagner’s name! I burst out laughing. "Oh Brahmscuck" I remember thinking, barely managing to think straight at all between my chuckles and wheezing. "What a prankster! What a jokester!"/classical/ attemped to calm me down, some even asking how I'd not known about the famous Vagner by then, popular as it was. Were they not happy one had been lucky enough to live to that point and still feel the pure, unadulterated Brahmscuck genius? Were they jealous? I did not know then, and do not care now.I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the Vagners in the next post. At the edge of my seat, I waited for the repeat of the Vagner, this time hoping to control myself. Imagine my surprise then, during the next Brahmscuck post, when the Vagner surprised me further by not showing up at all! At that point I feared for my life, such was the lack of oxygen from my guffawling fit.They only managed to removed me from the thread putting an end to my disruption after I'd already soaked the board in urine.
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>>129075056reddit hates Wagner and the SVS, so no
>>129075004>Schoenberg, who himself admitted Webern was half responsible for the fruition of the twelve tone technique, and even allowed Webern to be the best golem imaginable by following him around moving to wherever Schoenberg did.Schoenberg strongly disapproved of thinking about it mathematically, and he detested being asked such questions about his music.Schoenberg also disapproved of Webern's later works (particularly, he believed Webern went too far with the Symphony).>Imagine reading this >>129073994 # and thinking he wasn't doing it all on purpose, and had any plans besides solely to kill classical music.By the time Schoenberg formulated the twelve-tone system (which is not a closed and finished system for composition), functional tonality had already been abolished by many composers, and Schenker, the great defender of tonality, consequently attacked Reger and Strauss, not Schoenberg.Everyone was breaking tonality in Schoenberg's time.He just happened to take all the chaotic "breaking of the rules" and create some rules to work within, allowing composers to use patterns and logic instead of just going crazy.By the way, Schoenberg did not abolish tonality; rather, he wrote about and promoted tonal music throughout his life.
>>129076018>Schoenberg strongly disapproved of thinking about it mathematicallyYet created the basis of mathematically composing through tone rows. If he wanted to continue the actual traditions of classical, he would have done that, instead of shitting it up with abstracted math formulas in a primate form. At the end of the day Schoenberg killed classical by introducing a totally lifeless method of composition, which was expanded by Webern and fulfilled into its final form by Xenekis. And as per this >>129073994, he did it on purpose, with expressed intent. >he wrote about and promoted tonal music throughout his life.and Webern conducted tonal music, it is completely irrelevant, these people were a tumorous growth and their artistic children are enough proof of that. The defense of Schoenberg and his colleges is the ravings of a lunatic controlled by academic narratives spun by hacks who couldn't make it in real mathematics (besides Xenekis).
