19th century supremacy editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW7LTvH6POEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf5HBTmURCM&list=OLAK5uy_ksirf4H6UIKLAnR-i9vG-GDw-C-FG5Y0c&index=17This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129092915
>>129102975Every youthful aesthete in Germany was crying when Wagner died:>Suddenly a colleague accosted me with a 'Haven't you heard?' 'Heard what?' 'Richard Wagner is dead.' I gazed up at him uncomprehendingly. 'That surely can't be true?' 'Yes, he died yesterday afternoon, in Venice.' I rushed aimlessly down the stairs and met Oskar Paul, who was pushing his way hastily towards the exit. 'Herr Professor, is it true?' I cried. 'I am just going to the newspaper office,' replied Paul,' as I am told that a telegram has arrived.' At any rate, then, it wasn't certain: the telegram might contain something quite different. No, certainly it wasn't true! With a ray of hope in my breast, I ascended once more to the balcony and sat down mechanically. In the hall below the rehearsal was proceeding, but suddenly a message was given to Reinecke which caused him to break it off. The music on the stands was changed; Reinecke raised his baton; the opening notes sounded-heavy, oppressive, and gloomy. To my horror I recognised the funeral march from 'Gotterdammerung'—it was the harbinger of death! That titanic, restless creator spirit had shed his earthly shell! Then I could stand it no longer, and fled into the street. In the courtyard of the old Conservatory groups of students interspersed with isolated members of the staff were standing together, discussing the event. A shrill, frivolous voice reached my ear: 'Now there'll soon be an end to the swindle.' Spitefully and gloatingly it pierced the cool February air. A few hours later and I should have sprung at the scoffer's throat. As it was, I could only hurry past in order to hide the tears that welled from my eyes.
>>129102993>During the days which followed the dread news, I was so depressed and mentally unhinged that I was incapable of any kind of work. that I was incapable of any kind of work. I wandered hither and thither, called on this friend and that, read the papers, which told how Wagner's remains were transferred to Bayreuth and of the funeral service at Bayreuth, and heard what seemed at the time the almost fabulous report of Angelo Neumann's intention to produce the 'Ring' in Italy. But it seemed as though I was doing and hearing everything automatically, as if I were myself only a wandering automaton in a world of automatons. Then one day Oskar Paul took me aside, and said, 'Look here, young man, this wallowing in melancholy won't do any longer. To-night you are coming with me to Auerbach's Keller, where I will dissipate your gloom over a glass of wine.'
Reminder we wouldn't have Edwin Fischer's or Sviatoslav Richter's interpretation of Bach without Wagner.
>>129103048You mean Chopin, Beethoven? Tard.
>>129103092Everything good and great about this world came from Wagner.
>>129103151>Everything good and great about this world came from Chopin.FTFY
>>129103048Wagner was undoubtedly a major influence on most late 19th/early 20th century conductors, but pianists? I don't think so. That's Liszt's territory.
Everything good and great about this world came from Wagner.
>>129103619That guy looks like he would be hired by our female mod as a janitor for /mu/ .
>>129102975I hope you guys have the "Radio Recordings 1939-1945" box set, with all the juicy recordings recovered from the Russians after the USSR ended. The book is fantastic too, I read it in one go, although there was a mysterious power cut (a once-in-a-few-years occurrence where I live) as I opened it.
>>129102975oh yeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G_ely_q7Gghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs5Rc1aRJKs
>>129103961Not necessarily recorded in 19th century, but by 19th century performers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDk21a7gmw
1. Night Wind2. Symphony for Solo Piano3. Appassionata 4. Sonata in F Minor op. 55. Hob. 20I think Godowsky's sonata might kick off Hob. 20, but time will tell, its such a thick and dense piece of work that I need to fully digest still.
>>129101355Szell's recording does suck but that rest Furtwänglet adds at 00:12 is fucking stupid
If you use the words “slop” or “kitsch” in your criticism of a piece, I completely disregard your opinion.
>>129104169found the Chopin/Tchaikovsky/Rachmaninov fan
>>129104191What is your main criticism of these composers you mentioned? Careful!
>>129104152Filtered retard detected.>>129104191Found the low IQ modernslopper>>129104169Slop is actually the perfect term that encapsulates the entire modernist movement, from the performers and aesthetics to composers.
>>129103872You would not even be hired at McDonalds
>>129104296>You would not even be hired at McDonalds
I sincerely can't comprehend how people can listen to anything past early baroque. The music is so vulgar, insincere and repetitive. It's difficult to explain it but there's nothing to it, I simply don't get it.
Bach and before, Ives and after.
>Bach and beforeNo one actually does this.
>>129104359Rhythmic complexity and motif driven structure are enjoyed in this place of musical listening. While we agree that repetitions are a negative, some degree is necessary in order to maintain a sense of unity and cohesion. In some early church music the unity of the piece seems centered around the lyrical content instead of abstract musical notes. And tonality is great at creating direction with a sense of journey, compared to the more atmospheric or background sensibilities of modes.However we do not believe in your sincerity, and find you to be of a roleplaying nature. Regardless, we have give our thoughts on the matter, not to you, but the wider 4chump.org public who might also have something of interest to add.
Any tips on finding my way around of all those recordings? I mean, with other genres there are albums but here some orchestra can release *some* composer X symphonies AND *some* composer Y symphonies; What if I want to listen to all symphonies of a composer in one or few albums?Pic for attention
>>129104359>romantic>repetitiveRetard alert
>129104785Did you ask ChatGPT to write the most fartsniffing, pseudo-intellectual reply possible? Sometimes I forget I share this general with genuine autists.
>>129104881NTA, but no, that would be yourself, lass. Much of the renaissance is drive by through-composition, in-fact it is a major distinction of the era compared to what came later. >>129104891We would prefer if you keep your lowbrow commentary to yourself.
>>129104903>>129104785>weAs in you and the voices in your head?
>>129104903>Much of the renaissance is drive by through-compositionNo shit you moron. And? Renaissance music still relies on repetition, it has cantus firmi and imitative counterpoint. And it is modal, which limits harmonic expression. It is more repetitive than most repetitive and functional slop
>>129104830There are plenty of complete 'cycles' aka the compete works of that form.
>>129104928We as in the official /classical/ council of higher men designated as such by the numinous will of the Gods. Obviously you are not of such character, and are not of the council, nor ever considered for such a divine position. >>129104954>And? >slopWe consider your post to be of a lower quality and one based on emotional ramblings, through-composition is ultimately much more important to perceived repetitions than catus formi or canons. You react in such a manner because you perceive repetitions to be an inherent negative with zero use, while we are certain your favorite pieces in the romantic era are not through-composition.
Insanely unfunny LARP
>>129104279just from the way you talk I know not to pay attention to whatever your opinions are
>>129104251their music sounds more emotional than it has any right to
>>129080139>>conceeds that speech-like folk singing is naturalHoly shit, kek. You really are a gargantuan faggot.(You) are the one insisting on "natural vs. unnatural". I'm saying that distinction is irrelevant and incoherent to begin with. Pointing out that your argument is an appeal to nature doesn't mean I accept your premise; it means I'm rejecting it, you fucking retard.Consider ending your life because you fail at logic so badly.
>>129105017>your post to be of a lower quality and one based on emotional ramblingsDidn't ask don't care.>through-composition is ultimately much more important to perceived repetitions than catus formi or canons.......WHAT?Stop trying to discuss something you don't even understand. Not reading your slop any further.>>129105189Thanks pop slopper>>129105234>distinction is irrelevant and incoherent to begin with.On the opposite day maybe.>appeal to natureFallacy fallacy.>I'm rejecting it,And I'm rejecting the notion that you have a triple digit IQ.
>>129105403Extremely low quality post.
>>129105447Extremely low IQ post.
>>129104830Sometimes you find recordings which only contain one or two or three works, sometimes you find complete cycles like the other post suggested. It varies. In terms of comparing it to other genres which you are familiar with, think of it in terms of covers -- sometimes a band covers just one song (movement), sometimes an entire album (piece/work), and sometimes an entire discography (cycle). And then they do the same for another band (composer).So sometimes you'll find X pianist with a recording of just, say, the 30th, 31st, and 32nd piano sonatas of Beethoven. But then there are also complete cycles which contain 1-32.
Jan Lisiecki's Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VL9w8CnuJA&list=OLAK5uy_mAG9JpOt49H-OXVqyfpYWM67cu7xV5X9c&index=15
>>129104593what about Bruckner a.k.a. Wagner if he liked lolis (and the Virgin Mary) instead of being gay?
Tetzlaff's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS066MkMNmo&list=OLAK5uy_lxahg59eGJTrcKrmEMnW2FCEjy0jxR8FI&index=1
now playingstart of Haydn: Keyboard Sonata No. 32 in G Minor, Hob. XVI:44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mg6Cz6U9M4&list=OLAK5uy_mw4yUoxVXwIp1dnmMUAATI2kRKHtqfS84&index=2start of Haydn: Keyboard Sonata No. 47 in B Minor, Hob. XVI:32https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkZGcl55ltc&list=OLAK5uy_mw4yUoxVXwIp1dnmMUAATI2kRKHtqfS84&index=4start of Haydn: Keyboard Sonata No. 49 in C Sharp Minor, Hob. XVI:36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKW0jhmxK7A&list=OLAK5uy_mw4yUoxVXwIp1dnmMUAATI2kRKHtqfS84&index=7start of Schubert: 4 Impromptus, Op. 142, D. 935https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slme8LYTiOg&list=OLAK5uy_mw4yUoxVXwIp1dnmMUAATI2kRKHtqfS84&index=9and then a handful of individual pieces from Rameau, Chopin, Debussy, Schubert, and Griboyedovhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mw4yUoxVXwIp1dnmMUAATI2kRKHtqfS84>Grigory Sokolov, whose every recital is storied, at the Haydnsaal of Schloss Esterh?zy, Eisenstadt, where Joseph Haydn lived and worked for some three decades. Sokolov, "The best the classical world has to offer" (Der Spiegel), plays three Haydn sonatas, the Schubert Impromptus D 935, and a generous selection of encores, all in the spectacular hall in which Haydn himself would have performed countless times. A nice program/tracklist, and I'm sure wonderful performances. Check it out!
>>129105759>that portraitdid they keep him at alcatraz until he mastered the pedals?
>>129105973>Haydn sonatasListening!
>>129105982No, hes locked up in my sex dungeon and peering up as I unzip my pants.
>>129106167Spectacular, ye?
>>129106423His playing is very clean and we enjoyed his performance. I've just read that he idolized giLELs, which probably explains why I enjoyed him as well.
>>129105199>any right toWhat give music the right to emotion?This statement is nonsense and you should try to form more coherent opinions.
>>129106549thank you gollum
>>129106633Jej. One thing we have wondered about was the selection of his Haydn pieces, from what we understand he doesn't have a large collection of Haydn recordings, we would have expected him to have done the final sonatas over the rest, although we am very partial to Hob. 20 ourselves.
>>129106684thank you gollum
>>129106549>I've just read that he idolized giLELs,ah ye? I didn't know. And yeah, on the whole I quite like Sokolov.>>129106684He probably felt they balanced the best with the Schubert Impromptu pieces.
continuing with the Craig Sheppard Beethoven piano sonatas cycle. Quite liking it.18, "The Hunt"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnBHlu472Sk&list=OLAK5uy_n2jjRQ6eHQb2GjQEtvFyV__iwdDKurx7c&index=6621, "Waldstein"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCQ41CKtOyE&list=OLAK5uy_n2jjRQ6eHQb2GjQEtvFyV__iwdDKurx7c&index=7022https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERhF-mb8so&list=OLAK5uy_n2jjRQ6eHQb2GjQEtvFyV__iwdDKurx7c&index=7323, "Appassionata"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms6R2WnASEE&list=OLAK5uy_n2jjRQ6eHQb2GjQEtvFyV__iwdDKurx7c&index=75Fantastic. Highly recommended. Also found a really nice review of the cycle herehttps://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2006/nov06/beethoven_sheppard_723341.htm
Listening to Collier conducts Collier Symphony II in B# Mixolydian
>>129099683Thanks. What an amateurish attempt to compose a Satiesque... Although I'm liking it more after a few listens.But still I can't get to like Cage. His compositions sound simply poor and unimaginative to me, not minimalist masterpieces. Honestly it feels like he completely misunderstood Satie.Here's another recording. Album also includes the aptly named Cheap Imitation (at least he's self-aware), supposedly based on Satie's Socrate. Actually, I'm not sure if I've listened to that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBlcTQ3nb0M&list=OLAK5uy_li0CxbVZVaOp4NKQpDeu3ImZjesODm3xs&index=9
>>129106982>minimalist masterpieces.
>>129106955>An impromptu symphonyThat takes real genius, Wagner could never. Also added an entire new dynamic to music with the "Bend )"https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4PZbWCsZSq8
>what does it mean to be a classical guitarist?
I'm trying to re-learn to appreciate soulless sterile performances, but to no avail. Once the 19th century blackpill is taken, you can't enjoy Rubinstein the same way again, it sounds incorrecthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vZtpjNKVEIgnorance is bliss
>>129107065I don't listen to Rubinstein's Chopin anymore but I still think it's very good whenever I do. To each his own I suppose. How about going modern?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnm3QX4rcvc&list=OLAK5uy_mAG9JpOt49H-OXVqyfpYWM67cu7xV5X9c&index=13oooh yeah that's the stuff
>>129107085>How about going modern?That's even worse. Rubinstein is at least trying something here and there, Lisiecki is outright unlistenable noise to me. It's all downhill from Rubinstein and his sterile tradition. Shame.
>>129107122>Lisiecki is outright unlistenable noise to me.jej harshwhat about the kitty God himself?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GCUvYuB5gY&list=OLAK5uy_kjRwdC_80zhg7O0WTMDuxGMjH90HUtEXw&index=13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brmx--1oePQ
Interesting Jed Distler lists Glenn Gould as a reference recording on just about every Bach solo keyboard/piano piece except the WTC. Goldberg Variations, French and English Suites, Partitas.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJq80yxHeAQ
now playing, continuing with Alsop's Prokofiev cyclestart of Prokofiev: Ala i Lolli Suite, Op. 20, "Skifskaya syuita" (Scythian Suite)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaAsKrt2syY&list=OLAK5uy_n8dQWe8ICtWLC3R8qqhHB9Z4xvsxAVmFo&index=2Prokofiev: Autumnal Sketch, Op. 8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhV8LjIixcQ&list=OLAK5uy_n8dQWe8ICtWLC3R8qqhHB9Z4xvsxAVmFo&index=6start of Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_LQZqlUj_I&list=OLAK5uy_n8dQWe8ICtWLC3R8qqhHB9Z4xvsxAVmFo&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n8dQWe8ICtWLC3R8qqhHB9Z4xvsxAVmFo>This fourth volume in Marin Alsop's acclaimed Prokofiev symphonic cycle features two of his most viscerally exciting works. Using material salvaged from his opera The Fiery Angel, the Third Symphony was hailed by Serge Koussevitzky at it's 1929 première as 'the best symphony since Tchaikovsky's Sixth'. Originally commissioned as a ballet by Sergey Dyagilev but rejected as un-danceable, the Scythian Suite has become a popular orchestral showpiece, while Prokofiev retained a lifelong fondness for his dark-hued early symphonic sketch Autumn.warning: super dissonant, raucous pieces.
>>129107149Arrau is better than Rubinstein actually, he's not sterile, but neither expressive enough. He's one of the very few respectable pianists who didn't like Hofmann, which fascinates me.>Contemporaries such as Rachmaninoff, Ignaz Friedman, Josef Lhévinne, and Godowsky considered Hofmann to be, overall, the greatest pianist of their generation>Claudio Arrau dismissed Hofmann (along with Paderewski) as someone who only happened to be very famous and said "I didn't know what to do with him".Both Hofmann and Paderewski "happen" to be superior to him, though.
Erödhttps://youtu.be/JgEoG7hGA6U
>>129107319>>Claudio Arrau dismissed Hofmann (along with Paderewski) as someone who only happened to be very famous and said "I didn't know what to do with him".kek rachanon btfo by the kitty god himself
>>129107329Fun stuff.
Whatever happened to the Maho Mozart poster btw? We liked that guy here.
>>129107356Two of my kitties say Hofmann and Cortot thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKPH2Y94zlQ
>Norseposter is a catfagIts joever.
>>129107405Problem? They also like Scarlatti's cat fuguehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebmMBvuxRkg
>>129107509We prefer dogs here. Cats are for women.
>>129107528Okay.
>>129107393He comes and goes. Sometimes only to make a single post which he then either deletes or forgets, or it just gets ignored. Strange guy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjw6aTXXoZA
>>129107393no we didn't, he was embarassing
>>129107065Rubinstein records are tough because he does have a wonderful touch to his performances but I would qualify them as dry or too delicate, if that’s what you mean by sterile. I was think about the Rach recording of Minute Waltz posted here the other day and with that simple piece you can see the difference in exploration of dynamic range and tempo. Rubinstein is such a level performer it makes sense why predecessors would use his recordings as reference. I’d be more interested to hear his interpretations of baroque pieces but theres barely even recordings of Bach from him.
>>129107609Horowitz looking like a demonic bagel baker in this pic tbqh.Hopefully he comes back, out of everyone here I thought he had the most peculiar and interesting posts in the middle of the spamfests at the time. >>129107619We did and still do, not sure who you are, but clear to all is that you aren't on the council.
Actually wait, maybe we are confusing Maho poster with someone else, he was also the Max Reger poster and would randomly talk about his own scales and such right? I'm pretty sure they were the same person. obviously the posts about Mozart and Mahler with the avatar were very boring, but the rest was very cool.
>>129107668By sterile I mean horizontal, hands not separate and minimal rubato. >Rubinstein is such a level performer it makes sense why predecessors would use his recordings as reference. Makes no sense to me when Koczalski is right there. The guy has the highest authority on Chopin, and if all these wannabe pianists want to do is remain faithful to the composer, then why copy Rubinstein over him? I don't get it.It either takes more talent and skill which they don't have (not to mention the line kf tradition is nearly extinct so there's no one to teach them), or people just prefer sterile approach because modernists brainwashed them.I'm not sure if I agree about Bach, even in Bach, I prefer large romantic expression over static modernism, listen how Rachmaninoff performs Bach's partita:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yax_FpNzoRERubinstein should've just been a better pianist.>>129107674>Horowitz looking like a demonic bagel baker in this pic tbqhHe always did. He's looked like goblin, especially when he got old.
>>129107745>randomly talk about his own scales and such right?No, that's the kraut sperg. 100% autistic.
>>129107674nobody likes avatarfaggots especially not ones who are infatuated with drawn children
>>129107789Ah where is that guy, we loved him here, easily had the most interesting things to say. I thought it was Maho poster this entire time tbqh.
>>129107805Like Mahoposter, comes and goes. And apparently working on some thesis about harmony or something, unless he's just shitting me. You can't discuss anything in depth with him, he doesn't care. You can summon him by posting about Schenkerian analysis.
>>129107873>You can't discuss anything in depth with him, he doesn't careIdk, he seemed like the only person who actually did go into depth about anything. I remember asking sisterspammer to actually explain his problem with Karajan and he starts going off about "shimmering strings" and a bunch of other journalist nonsense that even I could shit out, when I asked for actual hard techniques he had a complete meltdown. Thats basically the depth of the average poster here IMO, but that Kraut guy would legitimately start going off about the nitty gritty of anything he talked about. I thought he was an interesting person.
more like my whore
best Sibelius 2?
>>129107915>when I asked for actual hard techniques he had a complete meltdownClassic sistershitter moment.>I thought he was an interesting person.Rarely he is.
Fux
>>129108026I got bored of his exercises. But I must complete them. How do I make myself do this?
>>129108057What where you working on when you stopped?
>>129108095Uhh, I have no idea. Just shitposting, doomscrolling, playing piano, learning harmony or something like that.
Fantasy op.17 is a blessing upon the world. There is nothing like it, not even by Schumann. It transcends all musical boundries set before or after Schumann. If I had to choose one piece to take with me on an island to listen to for the rest of my life, it's likely I would choose this, or something by Chopin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v16GRIM2nA(btw Moiseiwitsch and Horowitz have the best renditions)
What is the earliest work that still has a kind of modern sound to it? Bach definitely wrote some stuff that works in more modern contexts
Holy shithttps://youtu.be/mXjNATmIruI?si=apax1FMFp9u0IQ3q&t=96
>>129107932https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R17EKtK5kRY
>>129108459Notre Dame School by 13th century developed the use of polyphony, which was later matched only by 20th century composers. Pérotin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMyWnCf2AncGregorian chants from 9-10th centuries sound familiar if not modern, but probably only because they are reused in subsequent music developments so much.
“If I could live my life again, I would chase any thoughts of Art out of my head and be apprenticed to a merchant or pursue some other useful trade the results of which could be visible in the end…. What use is it to me that the whole world acknowledges me, but hurries away and leaves me alone with my wares until everything breaks down and I discover to my disgrace that I have lived as a foolish dreamer and believed that the more I worked and exerted myself in my art, the better position I would achieve. No, it is no enviable fate to be an artist. We are dependent upon the most capricious fluctuations in the public’s taste, and even if their taste is sympathetic to us … what difference does it make? We hear applause and shouts of bravo, but that almost makes matters worse. And our publishers – well, they would rather see the back of us.”
>>129108568What are you talking about. J.S. Bach, Reger, and maybe Franck are the kings of counterpoint/polyphony, there is no contest. They have it all: invertible counterpoint, augmentations/diminuations, strettos, triple fugues, retrogrades, advanced chromatic harmony(Reger) etc. No renaissance or modernist comes even close.
>>129108639Sorry, that was poorly written. I meant non-imitative polyphony (where several voices play unrelated melodies), Bach (and Baroque/Classical/Romantic composers in general) were primarily writing either strict (several voices, same melody) or imitative polyphony (several voices, sameish melodies). We returned to pursuing non-imitative polyphony only with modernism.
>>129108634>making art for public acclaimlol
>>129108634that's what happens when you make shit music, Nielsen
>>129107329>misspelled on the record toohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Er%C5%91dand there I was thinking it was just a funny transliteration of "Herod"... which considering the guy's a hebe, is even plausible
>>129107932Depends how you like your Sibelius. Gun to my head though, I'd suggest Colin Davis/Bostonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4CfRctTEE&list=OLAK5uy_lIyeQi32WxtqljX2CvYTTrFnT9Wd6yUM4&index=8or Segerstam/Helsinkihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U86w3DL54CgI personally have several Sibelius cycles on common rotation, aka I can't myself even decide which ones I like best!
>>129108833Everyone likes recognition and applause.
>>129107773>By sterile I mean horizontalI thought horizontal playing was ideal.
Listen to Sibelius' piano musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HxfJQIxk2Y&list=OLAK5uy_kehB1-JgaWkrGnxpdSbSF4R8W8KB5hP0Q&index=6>Swedish pianist Leif Ove Andsnes follows his string of award-winning Beethoven concerto recordings with a new album of solo piano works by Finnish composer, Jean Sibelius. Sibelius wrote over 150 works for the piano, but the composer"&"rsquo;s works for the instrument have long languished in the shadow of his orchestral music. Andsnes scoured Sibelius"&"rsquo; entire piano output, carefully selecting the pieces he believes deserve recognition and with which he feels a strong personal connection, uncovering intriguing works with the wonderful Sibelius qualities we know. This new recording includes the composer"&"rsquo;s own piano arrangement of his famous Valse triste, excerpts from the popular Ten Pieces Op 24 and early Six Impromptus Op 5, as well as the piano score that is often considered Sibelius"&"rsquo;s finest: the expressive Three Lyric Pieces Op 41 subtitled Kyllikki. An important aspect for Andsnes in compiling the recording was to follow the chronology of the works which span most of Sibelius"&"rsquo; career. The pianist sees himself on a mission to present this neglected facet of the Finnish composer.
>>129110043>Listen to SibeliusNo.
How would you rank composers for their string quartets? I haven't listened to much but from what I have it would be this:1. Beethoven2. Haydn3. Bartok3. Schubert4. Schumann5. Brahms
I must be getting old because Schiff's Bach (ECM) is starting to sound good, really good, to me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQm_zQSUM8&list=OLAK5uy_lubhZqlOjoChhBnsc48yAdR4WxvQ4C7E8&index=13
>>129110359Listen to Mendelssohn's and Mozart's NOW(two string quartets minimum)BeethovenMozartSchubertShostakovichDvorakMendelssohnSchumannBrahmsWeinbergGlazunovTaneyevHaydnJanacekZemlinskyBrittenBartokNielsenMartinu
>>129110399You forgot Schoenberg.
>>129110317jes :DD
>>129110024vertical*.
>>129110575No he did not.
Will listen to the next piece posted in its entirety
>>129111109Be glad it's not Wagner or Sorabji lelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTjex4t1wzM&list=OLAK5uy_nBSyOZ1m0kwJ8zikY0YYnjtOvoG45VYAI&index=1
>>129111145Nice, Ive been meaning to listen to this anyway
>>129110359my top 5 are1. Beethoven2. Haydn3. Mozart-----power gap------4. Schubert5. Mendelssohn
>>129111088schoenberg is 6th after these >>129111238
>>1291103591. Schubert >power gap2. Beethoven3. Dvorak4. Mendelssohn5. Schumann
>>129111239No, he's not. Mozart and Haydn are 8th after these >>129111248
I know it's like babys first classical work so it's easy to dismiss but canon in d was revolutionary
>>129106631>What give music the right to emotiongood handling of form.if you put emotion over form, you get emo whiny music.
>>129111254Mozart's Haydn Quartets easily put him in the top 3
>>129111302You forgot the fact that they are excellent at handling form, fartsniffer
>>129111334>Chopin/Tchaikovsky/Rachmaninof>excellent handling of formHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH NO FUCKING WAY YOU JUST POSTED THAT HAHAHAHAHA
>>129111357Nta but Chopin is great at handling form and everybody who knows how to read music recognizes this, so I don't know what you're on about.
>>129111357thank you musically illiterate sister
>>129105403>be bad at logic>get BTFO'd>start incomprehensibly sperging
https://youtu.be/XdolW_A3tD0Serene introduction to one of the greatest opera's in existence. Close your eyes and you are transferred to heaven and all your worries are dissipated.This is unfair. How can a mere human like me deserve to be able to hear "such" an extraordinary creation. Humanity does not deserve Wagner, his music is too complicated and orphic for us inferior peasants to comprehend. We should all fucking kill ourselves for doing basically nothing in front of the great achievements of Wagner. Yes. Everyone on this planet including me should be sterilized cause we are utterly inferior compared to The Great Wagner.
>>129108634>It is said that even as a young man he ignored the applause that he received for his few public performances on the piano and merely turned his back on his audience. Later his deviant behaviour was taken to absurd extremes. He never shied away from insulting others and his views of his fellow composers were invariably immoderately strident: Beethoven, he said, sounded like a cow at the piano, Brahms stank of beer and cigars and Nielsen was unmitigated rubbish.>His elder by twenty-eight years, Nielsen was regarded as his country’s national composer, but, nothing daunted, Langgaard singled him out for his particular obloquy. In 1948 he felt called upon to write a piece titled Carl Nielsen, Our Great Composer, thirty-two bars of insults scored for organ and choir which according to the manuscript were to be repeated “for all eternity”.
mozart's first string quintet is already a masterpiece and it's in the K. 100s
>>129111458Tchaikovsky was master at handling form as well, the 4th, 5th and 6th especially have great sense of inevitability. And Rachmaninoff's was learned from the very beginning.>>129111464But enough about you.
>>129111601>great sense of inevitabilitymeans absolutely nothing. speak in musical terms.
>>129111617thank you musically illiterate sister
>>129110399You forgot Tchaikovsky
Just got this notification on my phone. Finally! Renaud Capuçon, one of the great violinists of our generation, is releasing a set of Bach's Sei Solo, the Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin. Comes out Jan. 26th according to https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/catalogue/products/j-s-bach-sonatas-partitas-renaud-capucon-14136>In recording these works, often regarded as among the most important pieces ever written for solo violin, Capuçon shares an interpretation that stems from a life-long devotion to the music of Bach. His unique accounts of all six masterpieces are catalyzed by a very personal journey of performances since childhood. >“For as long as I can remember, his music has always calmed and comforted me, while at the same time filling me with feelings of energy and joy. It was with a mixture of serenity and humility that I approached these recording sessions in Berlin. This was a moment of introspection for me, a moment of listening to a voice within myself and of searching for the absolute,” says the violinist. anyway, here's the pre-release single if anyone wants to peephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpbF481P1-w&list=OLAK5uy_kj14iz8zj-XOvCh2grYYy0yoo4Am2QiKM&index=1
>>129111935Also, now we just need his cellist brother of equal talent and stature, Gautier Capuçon, to release a set of the Cello Suites, and all will be right with the world.
>>129111617>t. cannot into musical dramatic narrative and formal tensionnot gonna make it, anon
now playingstart of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 9 in B, D.575https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGAIg_VLpfo&list=OLAK5uy_nsltih8wVLi9KNjAYQOcScithe3hn098s&index=32start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 18 in G, D.894https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv85S290iHw&list=OLAK5uy_nsltih8wVLi9KNjAYQOcScithe3hn098s&index=36start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 7 in E flat, D. 568https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX9jXxlAmkM&list=OLAK5uy_nsltih8wVLi9KNjAYQOcScithe3hn098s&index=40start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 19 in C minor, D.958https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLggZuuQdRM&list=OLAK5uy_nsltih8wVLi9KNjAYQOcScithe3hn098s&index=43https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nsltih8wVLi9KNjAYQOcScithe3hn098sA wonderful set of all of Schubert's Piano Sonatas + Impromptus, Moments Musicaux, and 3 Klavierstucke D.946 I wholeheartedly recommend to all.
>>129112322Fuck bach
Alkan Op.39 on one album by Jack Gibbons. Nice to have it all in one place. We actually do like Gibbons's tempo better for the Symphony, which Hamelin rushes way too much in the middle two movements (March and Minuet). Judge for yourself:Gibbons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBIXKnFmbIc&list=PLLsr9s_7lqEGr8AZCc9WBqf3VNmTZsh2P&index=5Hamelin:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6uOehXtqZsWe think its fairly obvious which is better. We like Hamelin's first and last movement more though, just because of his articulation and smoothness during the deranged sections. In case you haven't heard the full 39 and have only really touched the symphony and concerto, we do suggest taking a look, we enjoy it all besides the first No, which is very much an Etude first and foremost, We would suggest not taking it too seriously, or just skipping to the second.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRf6UoQCPNs&list=PLLsr9s_7lqEGr8AZCc9WBqf3VNmTZsh2P&index=2
>>129112339thank you gollum
>>129112372Would that not be "we's" instead of "we"? We speech is more of a manifesto format. >We will sing of great crowds excited by work, by pleasure, and by riot; we will sing of the multicolored, polyphonic tides of revolution in the modern capitals; we will sing of the vibrant nightly fervor of arsenals and shipyards blazing with violent electric moons; greedy railway stations that devour smoke-plumed serpents; factories hung on clouds by the crooked lines of their smoke; bridges that stride the rivers like giant gymnasts, flashing in the sun with a glitter of knives; adventurous steamers that sniff the horizon; deep-chested locomotives whose wheels paw the tracks like the hooves of enormous steel horses bridled by tubing; and the sleek flight of planes whose propellers chatter in the wind like banners and seem to cheer like an enthusiastic crowd.
>>129112411French Jewish piano autist who was forgotten about because he basically stopped having anything to do with the public. On his death this was spoken about him:>Alkan has just died. It was necessary for him to die in order to suspect his existence."He is part of the esoteric pianist-composers hidden below Liszt/Chopin (both of whom highly respected him, Liszt said he was the only person he was ever worried about playing in front of), the others include Godowsky, Busoni, Sorabji, etc. Alkan is differentiated by a much more classical touch to him, and an overall lightheartedness that none of the rest are even close to. He has quite a bit of humor in his music, but also has his serious romantic moments too. Despite being labeled nothing more than virtuoso showmanship, Alkan is more conservative than the rest and follows forms more strictly than the others imo.Liszt is a lot of harmony work without a lot of form much of the time, Chopin is a lot of melodic work without a lot of restraint or self-awareness (plus not very good at counterpoint imo, even later on), Alkan is imo much better put together than the other two, although he is less progressive than Liszt, and less directly sentimental as Chopin. Like all the other esoterics, you have to stick with him for a while to get into his music, learn his language and how he thinks about things, because otherwise all you'll hear is a wall of notes and maybe a few out of place jokes.
>>129112636Modern classical pianists are a bunch of worthless women reaching into their piano to hit the strings with little hammers or pluck with their nails and then play repetitive atonal minimalist schlock so bad I would consider many pop genres to be of higher merit. Apparently playing your instrument properly is too much to ask these days. We post dead white guys (btw we love white people here, and hate the rest of you bicycle collectors) because this is a dead genre. There are a few posters here still pretending otherwise, but they just aren't willing to admit we have had 100 years to figure out atonality was never going to sound good no matter how much you are exposed to it, and minimalism is only the result of people too scared to face the greats of the past.
Which composers were on the spectrum?
>>129112669>Modern classical pianists are a bunch of worthlessBased and Cortotpilled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZNSiYX3dRo
>>129111601>I know you are but what am I!!1Is that really the best you've got? Kek.
>>129112800100% on the spectum: Beethoven, Schubert, Satie, Bruckner, MozartSomewhere out there: Chopin, Nielsen, Franck
>>129112830thank you sister
>>129112800Bartok, Bruckner, Martinu
Regerhttps://youtu.be/gkcfLuirtWE
Autists get an unfair advantage at composing (and also maths, science), it makes them have intense focus, social isolation (more time to compose) and repetitive routines which help them master whatever they're exceptional at: piano, counterpoint, harmony, whatever. Most composers were somewhere on the spectrum, especially classical and romantic period composers, or at least we have enough information about their lives to judge.
>>129112810We meant more-so composers rather than performers. We have heard Medtner play his own works (admittedly on his deathbed), and find modern performers to be at least equal, if not better. It is really the composer part of classical that has died; realistically people like Hamelin should be carrying on the composer-pianist torch, but his works do not seem as if he is very serious about it.
>>129112984>We meant more-so composers rather than performersThe two are the same. Pianist that isn't also a composer (improviser) is a sham. Performance died along with the composition. And it'll only get worse, not better. In a few decades you'll probably start noticing changes yourself, since you're not able to notice the stark differences now. But it will be framed not as inferior musicianship, but a "different style", just like when they tried to frame 19th century musical tradition as a "different style". Much like how modern historians reject the label "dark ages". Nothing is intellectually inferior anymore, we are all just differently abled.
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>>129113077>The two are the sameThey are certainly not, while most composers do need to be able to play an instrument (and their time playing inevitability leads to higher skill in that), performers can happily admit they are not worthy of composition while continuing to hone their skills. And I know you have some strange narrative about performance improvisation, but nothing you listen to would actually be qualified as real improvisation. Mild rubato (swing) that you are (currently) obsessed with is just normal performance, its really the Baroque period that was where performers were basically composing on the spot through figured bass. The romantic era (the one you love more than the rest) is about the time where composers really put a total stranglehold on the performer and dictated their every note, I mean the """cadenza""" of Beethoven's last piano concerto has every note written in, and thats literally supposed to be an improvised section by the performer.
>>129113256>playing inevitability leads to higher skill in that), performers can happily admit they are not worthy of compositionThey don't have to compose, but they must be familiar with the language of music. Otherwise, how will they know where the point of tension is, just by ear alone you could miss a lot of things. Grest performers know at least some theory. But modern performers are lacking. This is why older generations could improvise.>composers really put a total stranglehold on the performer and dictated their every noteThis is only partially correct. Beethoven and Chopin only wanted performerd to remain true to the raw score(the notes), whereas every single composer from Mozart (even Bach) to Liszt and Mahler has commented about the importance of rubato and independent right hand. >Beethoven himself interpreted his own music with a lot of freedom. Beethoven wrote: "my tempi are valid only for the first bars, as feeling and expression must have their own tempo", and "why do they annoy me by asking for my tempi? Either they are good musicians and ought to know how to play my music, or they are bad musicians and in that case my indications would be of no avail".Mahler:>There is desperately little that one can say about tempo or, indeed, about the overall view and structure of a work, as we are dealing here with something living and flowing, something that can never remain the same, not even twice in a row. That is why metronome markings are inadequate and almost worthless, as the tempo must have changed after the second bar if the work is not simply being rattled off, despicably, in the manner of a barrel organ. Far less important than the initial speed, therefore, is the correct relationship between the individual sections.Mozart:>Everyone is amazed that I can always keep strict time. What these people cannot grasp is that in tempo rubato in an Adagio the left hand should go on playing in strict time. With them the left hand follows suit
>>129112339Neat, always nice to have some variety.
>>129113715>how will they know where the point of tension is, just by ear alone you could miss a lot of thingTheory is descriptive and only provides a formula for what your sense/perceive, you certainly don't need it to know something as intuitive as a point of tension. Maybe if you want to keep a composition of counterpoint very strict, yes, but music is sensed first, and described second. Until atonality, which became prescriptive, and hence utterly devoid of actual perceivable musicality.>Beethoven himself interpreted his own music with a lot of freedom. Beethoven wrote: "my tempi Tempo is not true improvisation, thats just generic performance. If you really want to stretch "improvisation" to mean tempo, sure, but there is no need to provide any sort of distinction between the two at that point, even your hate modern performer is free with their tempo so clearly to you they are very "improvisational" if you accept that definition. And no, I don't need to hear about rubato (swing) again, in the context of this conversation for if performers need to compose, then its irrelevent when every note is already written for them.>There is desperately little that one can say about tempoAgain, see above.>Everyone is amazed that I can always keep strict timeSee above.
>>129112339Here's another Alkan recording I'd recommend you check out, Nosrati is so good.www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTeNyK_aBgg&list=OLAK5uy_mrXU63Hkv1qQhOYTWQqGrUJbWVfKLkzN0&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YMAgAsltFk&list=OLAK5uy_mrXU63Hkv1qQhOYTWQqGrUJbWVfKLkzN0&index=11>Charles-Valentin Alkan is fairly unknown. A contemporary of Richard Wagner, Franz Liszt and Frédéric Chopin in the 19th century but mostly living in Paris and enjoying the life in the salons. From Nosrati's notes: Alkan s music is at times so unconventional and sarcastic that audiences may have experienced more irritation than enthusiasm. His style feeds on abrupt contrast; it features a great deal of counterpoint and is thus more akin to the so-called ''German School'' than to French salon music. Anyone who dares to explore Alkan s music more closely will be richly rewarded: these are works capable of displaying the utter extremes of the human condition: alongside one another: seriousness and humor, intellect and emotion, tradition and modernity. --Editorial Review
Schaghajegh Nosrati's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBpL2wUb8Go&list=OLAK5uy_mMyilk9KugfBcvKpLRJEPboGo5IKCv-gE&index=11
Brahms is overrated.
>>129113972Wagner raped him.
>>129113984Thats how Wagner got AIDS and died.
I'm surprised in how few complete sets there are of Schubert's piano sonatas. Now, I know his earlier ones aren't nearly as good as, say, Beethoven's -- of which many claim all 32 are masterpieces -- so it makes perfect sense why performers focus on the middle-to-late ones, but still, even factoring that, I'd expect there to be more. Not like the early ones are bad. They're just severely lacking compared to his development later.
wtf the brahmsfog has taken over my cityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnOAAQ0_khw
>>129114012Shuberts sonatas suck so bad Rach didn't even know they existed.
>>129113909>you certainly don't need it to know something as intuitive as a point of tensionThis only applies to folk music. Art music is not merely intuitive, and theory is pretty much prescriptive when it comes to counterpoint. Unless you memorize the rules (by practice, species counterpoint or whatever else), you won't be able to compose contrapuntal music. Counterpoint is a very specific type of polyphony, which is by definition prescriptive. You could argue it used to be descriptive, but since the baroque period it is taught as prescriptive.Regarding tempo, Beethoven makes it very clear - "my tempi are valid only for the first bars, " meaning, the rest of the music is up to performer. Performers today stick with the given tempo almost metronomically, they count and play bars, not phrases (Pogorelich does this).>even your hate modern performer is free with their tempNot sure what you mean by this.And Mozart's quote is about hand independence, not tempo. His left hand is strict in time, meaning his right hand is independent, in tempo rubato.
>>129114035You just pulled that out of your arse
>>129113972he only has top-tier pieces in every form he touched, some the very pinnacle of that form, but to each their own, even if I'll never understand how someone can feel this way about Brahms, it'd be like thinking Beethoven is overrated. Maybe if you don't like that Germanic-Romanticism sound wholesale then it makes sense, but then that's your own fault.
>>129114129Huh, I didn't even know the piece had a cadenza part.>Most unusual in this composition is the composer's invitation for the performer to perform a cadenza, although most pianists choose to decline the invitation.[citation needed] Marc-André Hamelin composed a cadenza that has since become famous for its originality, musicality and playfulness, and Sergei Rachmaninoff also wrote a famous cadenza for his interpretation. Liszt himself wrote several cadenzas for his pupils' performances of the piece,[1] but they were rarely performed.[clarification needed] Other pianists have arranged their own versions of the Rhapsody with changes beyond that of simply adding a cadenza, most notably Vladimir Horowitz in 1953.Well I'll be. Hamelin's is no good?
Hungarian Rhapsody no.2 reminds me of chickens and hen house
>>129114046>theory is pretty much prescriptive when it comes to counterpoint.Complete delusion, counterpoint stemmed from church tradition, and was invented first by intuition, and only written down after the fact. Even after it was written down, you really think Bach was thinking about each note in relation to another when he would improvise fugues on the spot? How could you possibly dictate the theoretical value of each note as you play 4+ voices at the same time? That would literally be impossible.>Not sure what you meanNorseposter, we need you to understand that tempo is of the least importance when it comes to actual improvisation, real improvisation are notes, not playing a bar at a 5-10% higher bpm than someone else, or adding a halfbeat swing to a note.Let me break it down in a simpler genre: in Rap there is freestyling and there is actual "off-the-top". Freestyle is taking already pre-written words, and just adjusting their placement and "flow" over different "beats". While "off-the-top" is making new rhymes and new poetry on the spot, its true improvisation. To return back to classical, freestyle is performance, and "off-the-top" is actual improvisation.>>129114061>That was a time when people still believed that “Schubert’s style did not develop,” that “Schubert modeled his sonatas on Beethoven’s and failed,” and that “Schubert’s music is like the soft, comforting contours of the Austrian landscape.” Worst of all, Schubert’s piano writing was accused of being unpianistic>Those dark days extended beyond the late 19th Century, when Schumann thought the late sonatas were crazy, and when Schubert was idolized primarily for his supposed naivete. They went beyond the 1928 centenary of Schubert’s death, when, Brendel reminds us, Rachmaninoff admitted that he didn’t even know Schubert had written piano music. They continued through practically another half-century, even after Schnabel and Kempff and Serkin had made recordings of Schubert’s piano music
>>129114120His violin concerto is boring except the last movement, I would torn it into pieces if I was him and heard Beethoven's or Mendelssohn's or even Bruch's.His Piano Concerto No.1 again is just above average, it has distinct "melody" then dropped into boring-ness. Beethoven's Piano Concertos absolutely mogged him, everyone single one of them. Mendelssohn's is above him too.He did some okay-ish transcript work, for example the Bach's Chaconne from BMV1004.In the modern days if you are a pianist or a violinist but don't play something Brahms, you are being treated like a second-class citizen.
now playing, continuing with Alsop's Prokofiev symphony cyclestart of Prokofiev: Symphony No. 4, Op. 112 (revised 1947 Version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J58PfOD9Dck&list=OLAK5uy_mVijv2cRTeKHLXN8CdBwvGcy5IuTOBgiI&index=2start of Prokofiev: L'enfant prodigue (The Prodigal Son) , Op. 46:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqxjfVGiMFM&list=OLAK5uy_mVijv2cRTeKHLXN8CdBwvGcy5IuTOBgiI&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mVijv2cRTeKHLXN8CdBwvGcy5IuTOBgiI>Prokofiev's imposing Fourth Symphony and his final ballet for Sergey Dyagilev, the Prodigal Son, share common roots but are entirely distinctive in character. The vivid depictions in the ballet's moral tale include sensual temptations, drunken debauchery, robbery and remorse. The 1947 revision of the Fourth Symphony, lengthened and enriched in orchestration by the addition of a piccolo clarinet, piano and harp, makes extended use of themes from the Prodigal Son as well as unused material. Prokofiev's Fifth Symphony with Marin Alsop and the Sao Paulo Symphony Orchestra (8.573029) was described as 'an outstanding achievement' by BBC Music Magazine.>"Alsop and the Sao Paulo Orchestra perform both symphony and ballet with virtuosic zing." --Listen Winter Reviews, 2013This is, in my opinion, the point where Prokofiev's symphonies begin to become very good. So for anyone not familiar with them, this is a good starting place.
>>129113955Bach has to be done by Glenn Gould.All other players' Bach is like "Bach in Love", compare these two for example:Gould:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEEk3deQF2ADovgan:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N_hZIH4lmo
>>129114239>Bruch's Violin Concerto over Brahms'>fuckin' Mendelssohn's Piano Concertos over Brahms'don't reply to my posts ever againBut seriously, I'm sorry you feel that way. I suppose all I can say is you should revisit his music every so often and see if your opinion about it ever changes. I hope it does.And I hope there are at least some works and areas where you love Brahms' music. The string sextets and quintets? The symphonies? The Requiem and choral pieces? The chamber music? The solo piano work? Who knows.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V39p4Fbgz_Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njap_FDpojAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3pv6jebdFwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSf2veLfC-whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUPqCOBgL4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnjv7W1YNa4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxpEa6U2ccIHope you like some or all of these more!
>>129114184>Bach was thinking about each note in relation to another when he would improvise fugues on the spot?No, he had the rules internalized both by muscle memory and auditory senses, and there was no need to think about them anymore. Besides, he was obviously highly intelligent, and therefore quicker, smarter.>not playing a bar at a 5-10% higher bpm than someone else, or addingThat IS improvisatory style of performance. Here is the definition of improvisation>to compose, recite, play, or sing extemporaneouslyIt simply means adding something on spot, not playing something you "perfected" metronomically. Jesus. I'm bored of this.>Schubert modeled his sonatas on Beethoven’s and failed,I prefer the last 3 Schubert sonatas to any Beethoven's sonata excepting the no.30 and maybe no.29. On some days I would put D960 higher than both. Although it's a close match between Schubert and Beethoven ngl.
>>129114274>All other players' Bach is like "Bach in Love",what does that even mean?Bach's music lends itself to the widest possible spectrum of interpretation. You can find any approach to his music that you want. If you worry about too romantic and sentimental interpretations of his music, then there are plenty of great modern recordings in the opposite direction, you don't need Gould.You'll probably like Schiff's ECM series.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z5XbtshlA0&list=OLAK5uy_lARmgH23fzdMxaWTJDjAwpbGIiAPgdOAA&index=35Also that Dovgan performance sounds wonderful to me. Like I said, there's a Bach recording for everyone, because his music can be played in almost any way.
>>129114309>Besides, he was obviously highly intelligent, and therefore quicker, smarter.Thank you for the adulation. When you come back to reality let us know. >That IS improvisatoryIn your mind, probably. >I'm bored of this.Probably because the reality that changing tempo 5-10% isn't really that improvisational is quickly dawning on you. >3 Schubert sonatas to any Beethoven's sonataDreadful taste, Appassionata alone is worth more than every piano piece Schubert ever made. In-fact I don't even think about Shubert's sonatas at all, like Mozart the only reason they are even remembered is because of the name attached to them, not their actual merit.
>>129114319I think I have the mind set up beforehand while listening to the music, which itself perhaps isn't a very healthy nor a good approach.For example if we do German Romanticism, then we go Beethoven, Mendelssohn and Bruch. Brahms sometimes has it but sometimes reverted to Baroque elements and sometimes I wonder if he knows what he is doing or just let it go.Bach is pure Baroque, so no room to those "improvised" stuff, play it like on a harpsichord.I like Dovgan's performance, in fact I quite enjoy all her performances, it's just her Bach is not matching to the Bach's image in my mind. Same applies to other Bach "interpreters". But Glenn Gould got it right, everything Bach:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klqjebjw8n4
>>129114428Fair enough. Like I said, we all like our Bach a certain way. Based on what you've said though, I really think you'd enjoy Schiff's ECM Bach, and I believe you should try all of it.
Shubert's piano music has no personality or will to it, I could identify Alkans good matured charm and humor from a mile away, what could you identify with Shubert if not an effete and impotent Beethoven?
>>129114466Elegance. Intelligence. Tenderness. Sublimity.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDVJkxGz_Tc
>>129114404>Shubert's sonatas at all, like Mozart the only reason they are even remembered is because of the name attached to them, not their actual merit.I also like Mozart's piano sonata cycle more than Beethoven's, I have said this previously here. Beethoven's has higher highs and lower lows, but all in all, Mozart's sonatas are the gold standard, I'm sorry you got filtered so hard. I'm being moderate, since I appreciate and understand all 3 of the composers, your opinion is what's dreadful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvovWf1auLA
>>129114511You probably would need to be a woman to play Shubert's music, need a similarly boring mind combined with a total lack of will.
>>129114536Can you stop being cringe and weird? Please and thank you.
>>129114540It's in his nature
>>129114527>I also like Mozart's piano sonata cycle more than Beethoven'sAnd just when I thought your taste couldn't get anymore poor.
>>129114527>I also like Mozart's piano sonata cycle more than Beethoven's,O_OBeethoven's 32 Piano Sonatas is like the musical form of the complete works of Shakespeare. They don't call 'em the New Testament of piano music for nothin'.
>>129114540We would prefer if you stopped spamming us with female performers, you are obsessed with them worse than I am interested in not listening to them.
>>129114546Fuck Shakespeare and fuck the bible.As I said, Beethoven has higher highs, but Mozart is much more consistent, and virtually flawless in every aspect.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBLGPIN7HWY&list=OLAK5uy_maDSzXmmEGznykUjQrjQB7mwg_pk-yBiU&index=4Feel free to disagree, I don't think you even like Mozart
>>129114561?I just post what I come across and listen to. I have no preference one way or the other (okay, I do have a slight bias against Asian conductors/musicians, but I don't avoid them entirely).If you're talking about Marin Alsop, it's not my fault she happens to have one of the more recent Prokofiev cycles, and the other one, Karabits', I've already listened to and posted here before.
How does Norseposter reconcile his love with Shubert's piano music with the fact Shubert's piano music was totally ignored until the modern era despite his claims that all the intelligent people lived in the romantic era?
>>129114595Schubert*, at least get the name right. But then again, you're just a troll.
>>129114561>>129114592correction: I've posted BOTH Andrew Litton and Kirill Karabits before for recent Prokofiev sets. So like I said, it only leaves Marin Alsop. There's no preference for female performers or otherwise.
>>129114601You wish. Norseposter has an entire worldview around lowering IQ's of the western world along with his Dutton worshipping, etc, etc - he has and will claim that Romantic era was the peak and maybe continued until the early 1900's, to which there was a massive steep fall off in intelligence. Yet he has to reconcile this with the fact that during the time of the higher intelligence and these smarter people dictating the musical worthiness of pieces, Shubert's piano music was totally ignored and mocked despite his otherwise high levels of fame (unlike people such as Bach). This is cognitive dissonance.
>>129114592>>129114613Are you not the Nosrati poster?
>>129114585>fuck Shakespearestopped there. Homer Shakespeare Goya and Mozart are the four pillars of the art world to which all must bow
>>129114682>GoyaLol.Lmao.
>>129114647Peak schizophrenic post. I feel embarrassed to even reply to this cringe nonsense.>Shubert's piano music was totally ignored and mockedHe was indeed recognized later on, not that you read the full history, just the bits that fit your narrow worldview.
>>129114697yes. spanish painter Francisco Goya. that exact one.
>>129114699>He was indeed recognized later onYeah during the time of the lower IQ world after the fall. Shubert's piano music was ignored by the actual best societies, only the diseased and decayed world afterwards enjoyed it (according to yourself). >>129114720>Francisco GoyaMy condolences.
>>129114786thank you dishonest troll
>>129114809Goya was great... great at making ugly faces so poor in fundamentals it looked like they were transplanted from the gothic period.
Dunning krugerian doesn't even know who's he replying to.
>>129114963If you wish to be identified so badly why don't you put on a trip?
>>129114838i cannot believe there are people alive filtered by Goya's faces holy shit were you born in the 16th century? do you think serialism sounds weird too?
>>129114994Goya lacked fundamentals and made ugly art, mostly remembered because modernists can point to someone who is almost as lacking in talent as they are. Serialism is prescriptive ugly sonorous sound with no relation to human perceptions of music, the beginning of the myth that the mere act of sound measurements was worthy of being called music. >measured sonorous material alone does not give a composition the right to be called musical poetry, (in the same way as the measure of words does not make poetry).
>>129111257I never realized it was so old, I thought he was more towards Mozarts time
Can someone recommend me a good recording of Canon in D, all the shit on youtube is like (Best version for weddings!) and its cringe
>>129115257Got you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaB1scUYq9o
>>129115270thanks but there is only one true guitar rendition for mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xjJXT0C0X4
>>129115108>ugly>artstopped there
>>129115309Correct, someone should have stopped Goya from painting at all. Just like we should have all told Webern and cage to stop pretending they were making music.
Schumann’s piano pieces alone (to name but one work) prove that you do not need atonality to express the full range of human emotions. Any suggestion otherwise is sheer absurdity. Forms of tonality and tonal organization reign in virtually every form of music produced by every human culture prior to the cataclysm of artistic “modernism”. (Modes, raga, microtonality, etc.)Atonality is, to me, a sign of petty angst, pretense, contempt for other human beings, and a general dearth of creativity or artistry. Good art, to me, communicates to its audience in a language they can understand; it is self-evident; I don’t believe it should require explanation or erudition to be understood and appreciated (though erudition can and should enhance the experience for those fortunate enough to have it.Atonality is, to me, the Ivory Tower of music, a baleful snobbery that deems anyone who points out what is obvious to all—that it does not sound pleasant—as an inferior peasant. I see it as sound and fury signifying something only its composer is purview to—and hence, barely distinguishable from signifying nothing at all.Speaking as a mathematician, it is also an technically insult to noise to compare it to atonality; statistically speaking, random sounds are more likely to have quasi-tonal, modal, or honestly tonal passages in them than, say, your average piece of serialism.I see tonality is an abrogation of music’s inherent teleological capabilities as a narrative art (the narrative being the establishment of consonance, and the creation and resolution of dissonance); analogous to music to what, say, Finnegans Wake is to literature: interesting from a technical or theoretical perspective, and that’s about it.I can’t stand atonality for the same reason I can’t stand alcohol: it burns going down, causing me physical (and psychological) discomfort in the process.Listen to it if you must, but please... don’t say it is necessary.
>the entire Goya discussionhe made good art, the things depicted do not have a bearing on "beautiful" or "not beautiful" but on other things which are probably not human's business to judge>comparing Goya to serialismlol that's comparing "take a child on a walk and point out a weird bug" to "RAPE THE CHILD! LGBT POWER! JEWS DID NOTHING WRONG, EVER! GIVE MONEY FOR HOLOCAUST!"get a life, serialistseven Stockhausen made fun of you and he may be considered a serialist himself
>>129115377Incoherent post.
ngl I like Op. 6, the Mahler 9 influence is there, I just didn't hear it first time around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz8c0R36aAI&list=OLAK5uy_n3-PMXtqP_mAShSMYWKyNeA0iK8pMYaPY&index=1If you're addicted to Mahler 9 like me, this might be the closest thing you'll find.
Alright, what's objectively the best Mahler's 9th Symphony recording?
>>129115472I'm starting to think Walter's the only truly great one. Although I enjoy Bernstein.
>>129115257I've always liked the one on this recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfugvTGOF3s&list=OLAK5uy_k-bcemX2BeZYFqPRPCFUTYutXPUeKHgcU&index=1then Karajan'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpVMvbyEGm0&list=OLAK5uy_lgWq2UZFcMdLl8wSVT51r0YM2kAenLhgc&index=13and one final optionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI8ut8c4I9o&list=OLAK5uy_mYxrqVskt7k4-kf0g2KO9HiDFx7KtrcPI&index=1
>>129115472Karajan IIAlternatively, I've also always loved Levine'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yvHVq1KxmsAnd then both of Chailly'sRCOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcqz8yNLspA&list=OLAK5uy_n7bQooEQWFvG7x2B3_1TWZzuyAtOtTKVI&index=1Gewandhaushttps://files.catbox.moe/8f85ka.flac
>>129115412like... serialism? you don't say
>>129115412Correct.
Philippe de Vitry is underrated.
>>129115360Thank you for the copypaste spam.
>>129115696get a grip, grandpacleaning the cerebro-spinal fluid can reverse alzheimers
>>129116184>get a grip, grandpaTrue, tell all these old phaggots still pretending like Goya was half as talented as those before him to hit retirement on life and head into the coffin ASAP.
>>129116201Goya was okay and managed to depict in a heroic fashion what the transition from Catholic Monarchy to Godless Leftism (Nationalism / Socialism / Communism etc.) meansthe fact that it was co-opted by Russian-controlled criminal asslickin faggots larping as Nazis (in Eastern Europe) or Russian-controlled communist-LGBT terrorists (in Western Europe) has nothing to do with it
>>129116496Go back to >>>/pol/ you angry little chud.
>>129116496No one cares about your /pol/cuck nonsense, Goya was shit because his fundamentals were of poor lesser quality. Rubens did his infamous painting in a much greater method 200 years before him. The fact is that Goya is/was a symptom of decay and a step into modernity.
>>129116583>>129116562>everybody I don't like is /pol/ and I am right /shits himself>>129099564lol he's a hero, as opposed to you incontinent faggots who bet on the wrong thing every moment of your lives, not even being asked to
>>129116155I must impress on you my extreme sensitivity to music. Not only do I have a sensitive disposition, but I am also autistic, which makes my relation with sensory stimuli far more hectic and precarious than what would be the case for the average person.To give you an example of what I mean, my first encounter with Beethoven’s last piano sonata (#32) was in the days when YouTube was still up and coming. I heard the piece played in MIDI format on the website Kunst der Fuge.I had to pause the computer-generated recording of the Beethoven sonata several times, because I could barely hear the music over the sound of my own uncontrollable sobbing. Electric frissons danced down my head and neck. The famous “boogie-woogie” variation of the Arietta left me feeling like the sky and the stars were being downloaded into my body, swirling and dancing.Even now, half of my lifetime later, it is difficult for me to listen to that piece without swooning or crying.It is, in a word, good music.To that end, my first charge against, say, Webern’s Passacaglia is a purely empirical one: I feel revulsion toward it. Yes, there are impressive—even tolerable—passages in the piece, but then it erupts in cacophony or murmurs, and I wince at the dissonances and the unresolved notes.I do not deny or doubt the ingenuity of the piece as a composition. Though the SVS was many things, lacking diligence or erudition was not one of them. Nevertheless, try as I might, I simply cannot convince myself that their works are pleasurable. I would very much like to be able to enjoy this, but I cannot. It is like with spicy food, or heavy metal, or the sound of an electric guitar: it fills me with undesirable, intolerable sensations, to the point where having no exposure to it genuinely leaves me feeling better in mind and body.
>>129106982Cage's Dream wasn't bad. Here's an electric guitar version. I like that it has a medieval feel (maybe that's just Diablo) while being modern. Sure, not classical but more artistic than your boring symphonies.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L08DU4ywOBE>>129112846Nah, I won't let you claim Satie. His music is way too emotional for him to be autistic.>>129113093Kek that you didn't even get a (You).>>129113928Somewhat Satiesque.
>>129116615>braindead /pol/cuck>loves eceleb MidwitzTwo braindead peas in a pod.
>>129116631Thank you for the copypaste spam.
>>129116675>repetition and derision got me through life, it MUST work in reality too!I got bad news for you, senile faggot, your life left no more room for reality in your case
>>129116861Incoherent post.
>>129116922>>129115412>if /pol/cope doesn't work I just say they don't understand... erm... I don't understand... ain't that the same thing... AARGH I PISSED MYSELF AGAINeverything is incoherent in your mental state
>>129116675>eceleb Midwitzi dunno if you can classify as "eceleb" a dude who has the same website he had in the 1990s...but yeah, you can be envious, like some spent roastie, that's for sure
>>129116983>>129116997Thank you retard.
>>129117005you're welcome
chopin
I can't believe some people rank Mozart's string quartets above Haydn's.
>>129118205can one even rate small ensemble pieces without playing them with people he/she likes? and even then the rating would only reflect the groupI love chamber pieces but they can't really be compared to symphonic pieces (and the barrier of entry, at least in the case of strings and brass, is very high)
>>129115472Macal/Czech Philharmonic
>>129115987Based, fuck Mozart and Romanticism
>>129118845yeah C. P. E. Bach going to the Anglo Island was the beginning of the endas much as I like J.S. Bach I'm fully satisfied with Monteverdi though... that was the era music counted for something more than a distraction
>>129115472Barshai and Walter
>>129115642serialism is not incomprehensible at all you're just stupid
>>129116583Goya's Saturn is way better than Rubens's you're just superficial
>>129119102that's like saying that chopin off your dick ain't incompatible with being a womanof course you are right but why the fuck would I listen to a god damn woman
>>129119114what the fuck are you talking aboutim laughing so hard this reads like real crazy talk
>>129119114>chopin off your dickcuz he’s a pianis
>>129103928Not the best remasters of that material but I do have it.>>129107668That's mostly just true of Rubinstein's stereo recordings. His first venture of the Mazurkas, for instance, are extremely idiosyncratic and adventurous (much of it was new to him). His later stereo recording is dry and not as interesting though, I agree.
>>129118205It's true. Now, when we talk about Haydn's Seven Lost Words in string quartet, that's a masterpiece.
For me, it's Beethoven's 10th Piano Sonatahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFKP1fzloxY
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Richard Strauss' Der Rosenkavalier conducted by Christian Thielemann and performed by the Munchner Philharmoniker.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAlvpU54gd0&list=OLAK5uy_lAJiGFx0trveSBJekHzTNJqvOnKwV3rKw&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Cb_G-ZfkM&list=OLAK5uy_lAJiGFx0trveSBJekHzTNJqvOnKwV3rKw&index=2
>>129119657Renee Fleming <3
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBDYGmoX6BU
>Haydn's string quartets
My streaming service is starting to mix classical into my non-classical playlists. When I'm out and about, no I do not want to go from Echo & The Bunnymen to a random Tchaikovsky symphony movement.
now playingstart of Haydn: String Quartet in E-Flat Major, Op. 20 No. 1, Hob. III:31https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpWIB5XZkvw&list=OLAK5uy_lDlQx9KuTrAM8rlPrh3659_fetM4mT5RI&index=2start of Haydn: String Quartet in C Major, Op. 20 No. 2, Hob. III:32https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djgZQM7wNsQ&list=OLAK5uy_lDlQx9KuTrAM8rlPrh3659_fetM4mT5RI&index=6start of Haydn: String Quartet in G Minor, Op. 20 No. 3, Hob. III:33https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ecx9ywAt5w&list=OLAK5uy_lDlQx9KuTrAM8rlPrh3659_fetM4mT5RI&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lDlQx9KuTrAM8rlPrh3659_fetM4mT5RI>The six so-called Sun quartets of Joseph Haydns Op. 20 are often said to represent an unprecedented flowering of his string quartet writing, establishing a high watermark to which every other subsequent composer of quartets has paid homage. For all their iconic status the Op. 20 quartets are not a monument of compositional rectitude or propriety, however it is rather their flexibility, variety and unpredictability that make them so compelling. Every bar is full of a sense of musical adventure, a palpable feeling that Haydn is creating bridges between styles and ideas and forging a composite vision of four-part string writing that draws on every historical source that he knew as well as the furthest reaches of his musical imagination. On this first volume, the first three quartets of the set are performed by the Chiaroscuro Quartet, a highly international ensemble formed in 2005 by the violinists Alina Ibragimova (Russia) and Pablo Hernán Benedí (Spain), the Swedish violist Emilie Hörnlund and cellist Claire Thirion from France. Dubbed a trailblazer for the authentic performance of High Classical chamber music in Gramophone, the quartet plays on gut strings and its unique sound described in The Observer as a shock to the ears of the best kind is admired by audiences and critics all over Europe.
Why is Haydn so inconceivably boring
>>129120616>>129120616hate to embarrass you in front of your girl buthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EiefC0eesc
>>129120653I'm embarrassed.... This is worse than I thought.
>>129120616>>129120701one morehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2BbhXm2Ip4
>>129120704
>>129119112The only way you could think this is if you also think pop music is equal to classical. We have higher standards for art here.
>>129120675>>129120734Well thanks for giving it a try, that's all I can ask.
>>129114239>>129120616>boringThis is the kind of "critique" a child or an illiterate can manage. Boredom is a subjective state of the listener and says nothing about the work itself. Surely you can do better than that, anons?
>>129120817No anon, it is the kind of critique that truly matters, as there is nothing to the music other than subjective experience of mind. It can be technically perfect, but boring and unenjoyable, which makes the technical proficiency redundant.
>>129120840Thank you retard.
>>129115472Ignore everyone else, the answer is always Abbado
what is arraus best recording
>>129120931Hmm, maybe Debussy's Prelu-- no, Chopin's Noctur-- no, his Brahms Piano Concertos with Giuli-- hmph, perhaps his Liszt Transcendental Etu-- nah, y'know what, it's his 32 Beethoven Sonatas.
You don't only own one set of Bach's Cello Suites, do you, anon?
>>129120931The shortest one
>>129120840Category mistake: evaluation =/= description.>there is nothing to the music other than subjective experience of mindRadical subjectivism is self-undermining. If this were true, then no interpretation could be better than another, no distinction between skilled and unskilled composition could exist, no pedagogy, no history, no theory would make sense. Criticism itself would be meaningless, including your own claim.
>>129121009That is not radical subjectivism, Haydn is known as boring and monotonic.
classical music would be better if it was more repetitive and didn't try to make its phrasing so elaborate. so many times I think "wow, this would sound really good if they didn't have this long journey between the good parts". there's a reason stuff like Bachs Violoncello Suite No.1 in G is so popular, it doesn't have moments that feel like intermissions, it's pure slap.
>>129121381>>129121381Which is why they is a large variety of forms so you can find what you like. Some are short and get right to the point, some are long and a journey.
>>129120972contemplative is alright but do you have outright sad?
>>129121399>outright sad?That Starker one in the contemplative section is close to that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p70Yyfdbllk&list=OLAK5uy_nSXNp582nUGqE2W8ZZMKRUuGq8WLW3XqY&index=1Alternatively, maybe...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDPdCJ7nVss&list=OLAK5uy_k9M5e9JcMlZnea9_QinwB0SgkMOfcEcYM&index=1If neither suffice, I can keep thinking about the question.
>>129121381That only happens with average classical pieces, the great ones are perfection from the very first note to the last, see: Eroica symphony (first and second movement), Mozart concerto no.20, Chopin ballade no.1, Mendelssohn violin concerto (first movement), Beethoven sonata no.30 (third movement)They're not repetitive, but so perfectly structured and genius in the overall design, that one would not dare change a thing about it.Of course it takes time to go from repetitive pop slop to art music, but once you do, you will begin to look down on repetitive music.
>>129121399>>129121399https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnjvtSShi4c&list=OLAK5uy_nFPO3ImIXC-I74ZFZYSwVsJXMKlRPBjYE&index=7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDKUGIQ4XI&list=OLAK5uy_l6iXqP9gcJqAhB1ULmxPC5dDMiy4Auu38&index=7
>>129121455yes this is a bit closer, I suppose I am more looking for something that sounds it's welling up with emotion rather than something that is "heavy" or "wistful". to me, yo yo ma's versions sound like they are crying out, I like that. I also like mischa's version even though it doesn't necessary reads that sad. my language for these things is probably a bit bad, sorry.
>>129121526one more tryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xsE73QaNo&list=OLAK5uy_lgvyhIoJX5USEMCsep8oUYB32EZEghywA&index=1and Yo Yo Ma's second sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvYontdk2A&list=OLAK5uy_nor5OdTQp-MWxcWyssdeLxPmEFiXg1w1g&index=2and yeah Maisky's first set is really good, but yeah, as you said, his bold romantic sound isn't what I'd consider overtly sad either.
You guys don’t actually listen to classical music through YouTube, right?
>>129121831Sound quality is so overrated in terms of importance. I go for better quality when it's an option (download in FLAC, pay for a streaming service so the quality is upgraded), but I'm plenty happy listening to anything off YouTube and/or lower quality, it's not that big of a deal. Plus I find with orchestral music it's not even that noticeable.
Why did the tempo of these two movements cause so much controversy for over a hundred years?
>>129121831You guys don't actually listen to recordings made after 50's, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWMybkVE52Q
now playingstart of Sibelius: Symphony No. 6 in D Minor, Op. 104:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjMWgCBiG2k&list=OLAK5uy_nf8F0t3qK-FjDLqU9qy_mpEQ2rXMwl8UY&index=12start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 82https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji173Rb1xAA&list=OLAK5uy_nf8F0t3qK-FjDLqU9qy_mpEQ2rXMwl8UY&index=19start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 in A Minor, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdFoN3Hq-6U&list=OLAK5uy_nf8F0t3qK-FjDLqU9qy_mpEQ2rXMwl8UY&index=22start of Sibelius: Violin Concerto in D Minor, Op. 47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir8kTnCDDk4&list=OLAK5uy_nf8F0t3qK-FjDLqU9qy_mpEQ2rXMwl8UY&index=25https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nf8F0t3qK-FjDLqU9qy_mpEQ2rXMwl8UYThere are some who claim this is the greatest Sibelius cycle. I'm not sure I agree but it's certainly worth trying.
>There can be little argument relative to Thiollier's remarkably heady technical prowess, as he seems to take every opportunity to make us aware of the fact, and if utilized in the service of the composer, his complete set of Preludes might well have been a prime contender, especially contained on one CD; but sadly, and most unfortunately, the pianist, at the same time, seems equally oblivious or merely insensitive to Debussy's dynamic markings, tempo indications and critical score-related issues. At first blush, the listener is simply overwhelmed by the power infused here; yet, there is a certain hesitation in judgment, no doubt caused by the innate feeling that something is amiss. What is innate soon becomes overt: Thiollier's approach borders on ferocity. Nuance, atmosphere, mystery are literally crushed beneath his distortedly percussive, unimaginative, measured intensity. Whether the cause is wanton disregard or ill-chosen display, or both, the Preludes cannot sustain such mistreatment. This celebrated music requires the utmost in evocative penetration, the subtlest of coloring and a sublime understanding of delicate tonal balance. To say these elements must be in constant equilibrium and symmetry, but must appear entirely natural and spontaneous, would be an understatement. Impressionism hinges on exactly this. Realizing that Thiollier possesses the capacity to manifest these twenty-four pieces with great distinction, but rather chooses pyrotechnical self-aggrandizing display instead, is no minor disappointment because there is some fascinating pianism here, however erratic, that teases expectation into ultimate dismay.damn, guess I won't be listening to this set
>>129122381>reading reviews before you've listened yourself and simply trusting they are correct in their opinionsNGMI Iass.
>>129122742Fiiiiiine, I'll give it a try then.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7vYNSlp_bo&list=OLAK5uy_mxgibytAKvSscgIkv68UPzZddRWBJE1wc&index=10What do you think?And besides, that's one of the points of reviews, to help you save on time from poor recordings.
>>129121831you listen to RECORDINGS?
>>129122766>What do you think?That we don't really listen to enough of these preludes to truly dictate what we would be looking for and what is wrong over right. we like Debussy, but cannot be considered enough of a fan to make real judgements about the performance of his pieces. We would require firstly to listen to them over and over again,and then explore a few different interpretations, mull over those interpretations, and finally give a verdict on our thoughts for the matter.
>>129122928Well get on it! And that's only with regards to judging it in relation to other performances and interpretations of the piece. You can still see if you liked it in itself, and I hope you did :)The (very popular and acclaimed) set I went with instead,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWWfsX1eePk&list=OLAK5uy_kcs-OOGQ_6pmUQfOpvqOIZ0cxTX-vqlIc&index=1It's time to familiarize yourself.
the Vagner meme
bump limit
>>129121888I agreefrom what I remember there were blind tests done FLAC vs. 320 mp3 decoded and amplified on professional equipment and there was no distinctionand even if it's fake news I can't tell them apart and prefer to have 3x more albums/artists (especially classical) I don't yet like in 320 than in FLAC
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJtS6g5uTKM
>>129123079>>129123079>>129123079>>129123079new
All the composers you fawn over would hate you if they ever had the misfortune of meeting you.
>>129123083Who are ya talkin to, Iass? The void?
>>129123091If you know, you know
>>129123097No one knows, ya fekin skitz.
>>129123103No one wants to know you
>>129123108>youWho?
>>129123116nobody
>>129123124HEIL
>>129123128?
>>129123083if they'd hate me then why did they give me their musics :3
>>129123083Gone Gottem. 129123149Get the fuck out of here.
>>129123145You ever listen to the esteemed classical composer Adam "4 Voice Polyphony and 4 Reichs" Kalmbach?
>>129123175Go fuck yourself TJ
>>129123184>TJYou mean AK (Adam Kalmbach) who is beloved and respected here as the eternal lord and messianic bringer of 12 tone glories and Bartokian archform developments.
>>129123194Who are ya talkin to, Iass? The void?
How’s Unit 8200?
>>129123232Pretty good, heils to the jewish nation of Israel.
>>129121381It's repetitive, it's the same old pieces over and over again...But I agree, classical has this conventional format that's kind of the opposite of what people instinctively like in music. It's hard to enjoy a 1 hour symphony all the way through, and honestly most feel like they are just full of filler.Anyway, time for a new thread of just the same shit.
>>129123278Damn Avi, give me your sister’s number.
>>129123306No thanks Steve, we leave such situations to the cultural enrichments of Europe and North America.
