Eroica editionhttps://youtu.be/ImsUNSAU8NEThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129541523
>>129567519It's used as a kind of little motif and parallel to the events of the story, the kind of neat detail that is probably why it's one of the kids' books I remember the most fondly.
>>129568006That second movement goes hard as well. It feels like a different side of Mahler. I like how dissonant everything is.
>>129568140That mandolin part in the 4th movement, what a weird symphony.
>>129568245That last movement, it's like a parody of music and his own music. What a great symphony. Makes sense it wasn't a success at all and that shitty 8th was such a hit. God, I hate the 8th.
>>129568372That ending, clap clap clap.
>>129568372The 7th is better, but only very slightly. There is no bad Mahler symphony:9 > 6 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 7 > 8 > 2 > 1Actually 7th might be my least-listened symphony, like >>129568006 says, I don't just barge through every piece the composer wrote. 7th was the last to click. I have a suspicion I might rank it above 4th one day, but 3rd is too dear to me, and the 9, 6, 5 are irreplacable.The 8-hate is cringe and unwarranted.
>>129568429I still need to click with 4th and 6th. 3rd is probably my favorite too. I just really dislike the 8th, I saw it live a few years back but that didn't change my opinion of it. Like I don't really get the 9th in his entirety but the 8th I just find annoying to get through.
>>129568006yeah the 7th is bomb
For today's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Don Carlos conducted by Carlo Maria Giulinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1QrUbQ2zQc&list=OLAK5uy_kvPN--L2WbHcjvGA0q9PsdRrVeubphfDc&index=25210 minutes runtime!
>>129568372>>129568480if you don't enjoy the 8th, i guess you won't have a good time in heaven either
>>129568904We here at /classical/ prefer hell.
Surprisingly good
Mussorgsky's Boris Godunov sounds like a Russian Wagner opera. Great stuff.
Went to Berlioz Symphonie fantastique conducted by Makela with Chicago Symphony Orchestra. I went for Beethoven 7 mainly, as I heard Symphonie fantastique before with Orchestre philharmonique de Radio France, and maybe not disliked it outright but did not enjoy very much. However I liked Makela's version a lot more. He's very expressive on stage - even jumped a few times. The program described Berlioz as a bridge between Beethoven and Mahler and you really feel Romanticism being born after Beethoven 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU06POl0DFU&list=PLfJSnjMLSGVHrU3TTKJ59p5g7-VgEAgM4
Listening to the birthday boy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKLDMYUPeMs
>>129570054Nice, that's a show I'd go and see if I could. Plus you'll get to say you saw Makela near the start of his career. How was the 7th?
Olivia Rodrigo is studying classical music in order to write her first symphony
>>129570543what a waste of ink that shit is
>>129570097https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FoABv3IhDgDoesn't get more epic than this piece
>>129570543nice, classical finna be mainstream again, bet
Mahler 1 is underrated. Listen to Walter's (it's a good stereo recording, not hissy or mono)
>>129570868The first three movements fill me with as much bliss and serenity as anything in the repertoire but the finale is a mess.
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Richard Strauss' Die Frau ohne Schatten conducted by Wolfgang Sawallischhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP8o63w5zAo&list=OLAK5uy_k3GbVE-rGynGiVaAM9j5yIx9vau7gD5lw&index=1
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJethIZRY8
>>129570969Man, Strauss loves the female voice. And this is why I love Strauss.
>Juliette Nadia Boulanger (French: [ʒyljɛt nadja bulɑ̃ʒe] ; 16 September 1887 – 22 October 1979) was a French music teacher, conductor and composer. She taught many of the leading composers and musicians of the twentieth century, and also performed occasionally as a pianist and organist.[1]>Born into a musical family (her father Ernest and sister Lili were acclaimed composers), Boulanger entered the Conservatoire de Paris at an early age but, believing that she lacked particular compositional talent, she forsook writing music and became a teacher. In that capacity, she influenced generations of young composers, especially those from the United States and other English-speaking countries. Among her students were many important composers, soloists, arrangers, and conductors, including Grażyna Bacewicz, Daniel Barenboim, Lennox Berkeley, İdil Biret, Elliott Carter, Aaron Copland, David Diamond, John Eliot Gardiner, Philip Glass, Roy Harris, Quincy Jones, Dinu Lipatti, Igor Markevitch, Astor Piazzolla, Julia Perry, George Walker, and over 250 others.damnthe mother of modern classical?
Is this a fucking joke?
best recording of Mahler 7?
>>129572227I just go with Abbado because he's my guy.
>>129572290Ew.
>>129570491> How was the 7th?Nothing to write about.
>>129570543>backbeatswe don't do that here, sweetie. this is a no nigger neighborhood.
favorite recording of Beethoven's 'Les Adieux' Sonata?
>>129572227Kondrashin/RCO
>>129572227Karajan of cou-- oh. Erm. Nevermind.
>>129572227>>129572964Kondrashin/RCO is the easy stereo pick yeah
>>129572227Alexandre Bloch
>>129572833Pierre Barbizet
>>129572227Ignore everyone else, the answer is always Abbado.
>>129574021>the answer is always this middle-tier lukewarm cycle
Ironically the Abbado Mahler 7 with Chicago is the precise example where Abbado really is a pretty uncontroversial answer for the best recording, regardless of his other efforts.
>>129574748Huh, really? Why?
>>129572833https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiS-MQV6QwM
Who is the greatest living classical composer, John Williams or Hans Zimmer?
>>129575889Has Zimmer even composed any absolute music?
>>129575963Pirates of the Carribean
>>129575889Jonny Greenwood
finally listening to Keilberth's 1955 Ring, and the sound quality is so much better than I expected, it's not in the same problematic group as Krauss, Knappertsbusch, Kempe, or even Furtwangler, you can hear everything with clarity. Loving the singing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKfrIe_sNuk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LkHeEGOTsI gotta say, this is quite bad. Not what I expected from a production involving Böhm and Fischer-Dieskau.
It's crazy to think that today we can listen to the greatest operas and greatest performances of them a thousand times, yet many of the people who lived around the time the works were written and originally performed maybe only got to see and hear the work once or twice at most in their entire lives.
Is there someone who applies this kind of rubato to the right hand in the Moonlight Sonata?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZhBCGz56Fc
>>129576397Yeah that's not doing it for me either. Thankfully there's plenty of other great Don Giovanni's to choose from. This guide seems to like that one thohttps://interclassical.com/record-guide-mozarts-don-giovanni/
Does anyone have Karajan's recording of Wagner's Tannhauser they can upload and share? It's not on RT from what I can see. Please and thank you!
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qghWlLbYG-A&list=OLAK5uy_my53BmSOgeB8_VACU4Kul3hB6y557M9qM&index=8
>>129576524Cortot's rubato is special, no one except maybe Koczalski, Rosenthal have that kind of technique IMHO. Unsurprisingly, all 3 of them are pupils of Chopin's own pupils.There's a recording of Cortot playing excerpts of Moonlight sonata, to hear how it'd sound:https://youtu.be/2am66HouOuE?si=sgVp36L6pxF_Ve1C&t=412You might want to check out Hofmann, Friedman, and maybe some others, can't really say. This is the closesthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U9aaU57UVQ
>>129576913>This is the closest>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U9aaU57UVQ Upon listening, yeah this is easily the best interpretation of the sonata I've ever listened to. First movement at least. What he does is magical.
>I append here a little anecdote courtesy of the recently late Robert Massard regarding Karajan’s attitude to, and dealings with, singers: he received a phone call from Karajan’s secretary asking if he could substitute for a sick singer the next day. He politely declined on the grounds that he was already engaged to sing in an opera in France; it was clear that once refused, Herbie would never again extend an invitation and indeed Massard did not hear from him again…>I should in fairness add that many singers adored him and owed their careers to him, even if he was instrumental in some making some questionable and even disastrous choices in their repertoire; Christa Ludwig – who had her own vocal crisis from which she recovered by wisely scaling back her ventures into the dramatic soprano Fach – was just such a one and tells an amusing story of how he suggested that she undertake Isolde with him. When Karl Böhm learned of that proposal he was outraged, but after a moment’s thought leaned in conspiratorially to her, saying, “But with me, you could do it…”.Too funny.
The faster the notes are played the less important they are.
Probably the most respectful recording Solti and Culshaw ever did. Aside from letting on some new talent, it was a respectful send off to old Wagnerian sopranos and tenors of old that marked this as one of their last recordings.
>>129577661lol>>129578293nice to finally see what the original cover looked like, I swear I've only ever seen the remastered ones
>>129576913>>129576947>Upon listening, yeah this is easily the best interpretation of the sonata I've ever listened to. First movement at least. What he does is magical.but you can't even hear it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPsS-b-sCb0
>>129579064you can hear it just fine
>When Götz Friedrichs Tannhäuser opened in 1972 it created the biggest scandal in 16 years (since Wieland Wagner dared to dispense with a naturalistic Nürnberg for this 1956 Meistersinger) at the Bayreuth Festival, including the conductor Erich Leinsdorf walking out in the middle of the run.>Why? one may ask after having seen it, as it is indeed rather tame judged by todays standards. One reason was Götz Friedrichs intensive personenregie, where characters actually roll on the floor and interact with one-another, apart from being half-naked.>However, the major controversy surrounded the on-stage appearance of the chorus in the final scene in reddish costumes, which were perceived as representing the communism of Götz Friedrichs native East Germany. In fact, this part of the staging was a last-minute alteration as Friedrich originally had planned only Wolfram and Tannhäuser to be present on the stage during the final, and was not intended to symbolize communism in any way.>Furthermore, some of the flags on display during the entrance to the Singers Hall was not un-similar to Nazi-symbols. And that, apparently was too much for Erich Leinsdorf and many critics and audiences.people used to be so sensitive
>>129579473The Annie Fischer one I posted? I know, that's why I posted it!
>>129579557they still cared about art back then
>>129576644I found this upload on RT which seems to contain almost every major Tannhauser recording, including Karajan'shttps://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=970321
now playingstart of Chopin: Piano Concerto No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 11 (Adapted for Piano and String Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnLzyfZ6afY&list=OLAK5uy_m0O7cIYlr6-AvxUodyhiIVZdfVjh0qm40&index=2start of Chopin: Piano Concerto No. 2 in F Minor, Op. 21 (Adapted for Piano and String Quintet)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP04FifWDXI&list=OLAK5uy_m0O7cIYlr6-AvxUodyhiIVZdfVjh0qm40&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m0O7cIYlr6-AvxUodyhiIVZdfVjh0qm40Pretty sure someone asked for an example of a concerto arranged for chamber ensemble recently. Well, here's one.
Artur Schnabel remains the only pianist who truly grasped Beethoven on the deepest level.I’m not going to spell out why, the difference in understanding is so fundamental that trying to explain it to most people would be rather pointless.Suffice it to say the necessary insight is simply not within reach for the average listener, or even the average professional.If you don’t already hear it, you probably won’t.You simply lack the brain capacity. Do not embarrass yourself by asking.
>>129579878Just admit you're too lazy to try any new recordings.
>>129579887>Gulda>top tierdismissed
>>129579895>>Gulda>>top tier>dismisseddismissed
>>129579887Never heard of Russell Sherman before.>Sherman became the first American pianist to record all Beethoven's piano sonatas and piano concertos. Let's see if he's any good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptu2DVmiCqg&list=OLAK5uy_nNjGczw1Km6aPbB_SvyvhvabCl4mE-8Kw&index=5I dig it.>Russell Sherman (March 25, 1930 – September 30, 2023) was an American classical pianist, educator and author. He performed internationally, known especially for playing the music of Beethoven and Liszt. Driven by a "lifelong battle to reconstitute Liszt as a serious composer", he wrote for a recording of his Transcendental Études: "The poetic idea is central, and the virtuoso elements become so many layers to orchestrate the poetic content".
>>129579906touché.Very well, I concede.
Thoughts on this book?
Listening to Otto Gerdes' recording of Tannhauser and this confirms my belief that conductor > singers in terms of importance, even in opera. It's just so... dull, despite the stellar cast of singers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqhIA5fhYmo&list=OLAK5uy_nCDBCouldsrmAPLngl0UHPMe9Fsw_teRY&index=7and the overture... zzzzzzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DITEmLzMQ7w&list=OLAK5uy_nCDBCouldsrmAPLngl0UHPMe9Fsw_teRY&index=1
https://youtu.be/_XrWnggqboMAre you in camp "variations is the whole piece" or camp "variations is just the middle" for Franck's Symphonic Variations?
>>129579960Essential. Plus check out his The Classical Style: Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven and Beethoven's Piano Sonatas: A Companion. Perhaps his Piano Notes: The World of the Pianist too if that interests you.
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's Madama Butterfly conducted by Giuseppe Sinopolihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp57tFPS9Ck&list=OLAK5uy_mht2CdLGKULdDDn8suVMIRZ0kenUz3VeA&index=1>In the 1980s, conductor Giuseppe Sinopoli was the opera world's most talked about revisionist. Some hailed him for peeling off layers of tradition and diagnosing the neurotic opera characters like a Freudian analysis. Others thought he was just being neurotic himself. Surely, this Butterfly is dramatic, musical theater of the highest order though often extremely heavy handed: The Act I quotations of the "Star-Spangled Banner" are underscored to a fare thee well. Singers give passionate, committed performances, Mirella Freni being her vocally generous self and Carreras, in his last recording before falling ill with leukemia, sounding surprisingly secure and robust. --David Patrick StearnsI don't really understand the first couple sentences of this quote but it sounds cool
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mpPZifqfok
>>129580004it's good but I prefer Barbirolli
>>129579986I've also read his Sonata Forms. Insightful. And he has a lot to say. Will read Classical Style next and maybe some of the others you've mentioned.
still don't get how Stravinsky is such a titan of the form from only such a few works
>>129580118>>129580004literally 0 reson to listen to any Butterfly other than Serafin's.
>>129580560...Karajan!?
>>129580560>SerafinI don't trust conductors who solely perform opera or choral music.
>>129580561why would you ever listen to him on anything>>129580566ok retard
>>129579064Fischer is not even close to Hofmann. Not even a tiny tiny bit. They are universes apart and the two Moonlight recordings is all the evidence a man should need. With Fischer, all you get is good quality recording.
>>129580689https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITl3O3s8p-s
>>129579878Utterly true. Although if Hofmann recorded it, it would be as good, if not better. The only pianist, along with Friedman, who had the chance to make something even bigger.>>129579887I tried most of them. And they can kiss Schnabel's ass.>>129580693lol
>>129580694what do you think of Claude Frank's Cycle? he was a student of Schnabel if i recall correctly
Gustav Klimt, Gustav Mahler
triiiiiiiistaaaannnnn
Can anyone identify this? Found it in two places now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r9LlyJ9YN4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyQGOFo-Hug&t=264s (note timestamp)
>>1295811984m23s for second one
>>129580727Both suck Wow
Max Ernst, Max Reger
>>129581418What about Gustav Holst
>>129581198>>129581201At the risk of embarrassing myself, it doesn't sound like classical. To me, anyway.
Wolfgang Puck, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
>>129581479Yeah, could be some Russian folk tune or popular tune or something as well I guess.
now playingstart of Brahms: 4 Ballades, Op. 10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnfSEYcQZMc&list=OLAK5uy_m4plxMbh2KdN3A5M5h2hV65Sj9IX6x5v8&index=2start of Brahms: 2 Rhapsodies, Op. 79https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmEaToES8KY&list=OLAK5uy_m4plxMbh2KdN3A5M5h2hV65Sj9IX6x5v8&index=6start of Brahms: 10 Selected Intermezzihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbfTAVac1DI&list=OLAK5uy_m4plxMbh2KdN3A5M5h2hV65Sj9IX6x5v8&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m4plxMbh2KdN3A5M5h2hV65Sj9IX6x5v8
>>129581559Is there anything this man can't do?
>>129581569Does he have any Chopin or Liszt? or Schubert?
>>129581580He does not, thank god!
Domingo loved to play Otello
>>129581580He has Bach and that's all you need
>>129581591he's even the lead in the Levine recording!
For this morning's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's La Traviata conduced by Sir Georg Soltihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXkXkW0PRIY&list=OLAK5uy_luKY6ywM29DDNcjc-kkqNBlcp-QXt3ohg&index=2
>>129581591Has blackface even become unacceptable in the opera world?
>>129581657>Blackface controversyFor many years it was common for white singers to wear dark makeup when playing Otello. The Metropolitan Opera stopped the practice in 2015.[43][44][45] Some have argued that using dark makeup for the character is a matter of costuming, and not a true example of racist blackface.[46] The Metropolitan decision led to calls for casting more people of color in opera.[47]Personally, I'd agree with the side of it's costuming, but w/e
Thoughts on Bruce Hungerford?
Why do classical fans find it so hard not to hate Asian people?
>>129582112It's a shame he didn't complete his Beethoven cycle, since what we do have is pretty fantastic. A very good pianist overall. It's really a shame he died just as he started recording a bunch of stuff.
>>129582251idk not me nobody hates them in the consevatory its like a reddit thing
>>129582251It's not so much hatred of asians as it is hatred of the awful competition culture that we have now. Competitions encourage the most boring, sterile playing possible. Look no further than Eric Lu, one of the most dull Chopin pianists in recent times, who won the recent Chopin Competition.
>>129582251I skip/hide any links if I see an Asian in the title or thumbnail. Robotic bugs with zero soul.Only exception is Japanese
Confess your classical sins.
>>129583177Enjoy Brilliant Classics. Listen to every new release on YouTube.
>>129582112The best Waldstein in stereo by farMaybe the only one I listen to besides Hofmann and Solomon
How many of these have you listened to start to finish without interruptions?
>>129583453I actually only saw Fidelio live with intermission so I technically did not listen to it without interruptions.
>>129583177I have a very hard time listening to entire works in one sitting if they're over 30 minutes long.
>>129583453All of them except Fidelio, the Mozart one, the Strauss one, and the Berward.
>>129583177I like to mindlessly browse reddit on my phone while listening to classical.
>>129583579here you go, anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xGyfbROzWY&list=OLAK5uy_kNUqLSk2LOLohfKGG-WjaNnyvW-t92a2A&index=1
>>129583679Then what the fuck are you doing in this thread?
>>129583744They like solo piano music, clearly
>>129583744Nothing wrong with 30 min of a symphony then the rest later if one must
>>129583744talking about classical music. what an honestly retarded question.
You only belong in this thread if you have listened to the entire Ring in a single sitting, no interruptions.
>>1295831771. I still don't like opera/classical singing as much as I'd like to like them. Perhaps it's my heavy preference of instrumental timbre, rather than the singing itself and generally my disinterest in text, I prefer wordless, unspoken music.2. I involuntarily get lost in thoughts and don't really derive much joy from music that's too major-key sounding (for some reason Beethoven is an exception, he often mixes minor tonality even in major keys). One of the reasons I don't listen to Haydn much.3. I often don't listen to much music for a long period of time, but still browse here lol. I have that dry period atm, I'm reading instead.
>>129583911>blah blahanyway here's some music for you to munch onhttps://youtu.be/WckRfWe40J0https://youtu.be/0YsHo4-HLlM
>>129583937Nah, I'm listening to the most major-key sounding work that I miraculously love dearly atm, Beethoven's 8th.
>>129583898No one here has done that. Not even you.
>>129583898>>129584017I best I've done is the end of the first Act of Siegfried before tapping out (after DR and DW, of course).
>>129584017I do it every day.
>>129584074Lies.
>>129584061That's ~8 hours. I doubt you listened for 8 hours without interruptions, even if you somehow make me believe that you listened to it in a single day.
>>129584159I probably paused to eat a bowl of cereal and watch TV for 10 minutes at some point, you're right. But otherwise!
>>129583898>>129584061https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAnPCl7u8BE
>>129584206I am not watching this fat gay jew
>>129584206I am watching this fat gay jew
When Dave speaks, I listen.
When Mahler plays, I listen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe8P71n8nLo
When Bach farts, I sniff.
No better feeling than when some dude tries to mog me in public by asking,>So, what kind of music do you like?with a knowing look, ready to pounce on whatever I reply, only for me to say,>Oh I like classical. You?with a smug grin because I know I have won the exchange, their face momentarily turns to despair and resignation that they cannot best me in this area. Sucker.
for the love of God, seeeeeeeed. I need to hear the Konwitschny and Karajan recordings!
>>129584664And then everyone clapped and a hot girl who happened to overhear gave you her number.
>>129584742Patience is a virtue, anon.
>tfw no angela gheorghiu soprano opera gfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIt1qgwcr94&list=OLAK5uy_luKY6ywM29DDNcjc-kkqNBlcp-QXt3ohg&index=36
>>129584753>t. mogged
No better feeling than when some dude tries to mog me in public by asking,>So, which composers do you like?with a knowing look, ready to pounce on whatever I reply, only for me to say,>Oh I like Martin Scherber. You?with a smug grin because I know I have won the exchange, their face momentarily turns to despair and resignation that they cannot best me in this area. Sucker.
>>129584834>Scherber’s main compositions, dating from the 1950s onwards, have to this day hardly ever been performed and have been widely criticised as being in a very conservative post-Bruckner tonal language, at a time when the likes of Boulez and Stockhausen were writing their first important modernist works.>"This music should be forbidden." (Hans Börnsen, 1957, after the première of the 2nd symphony, Archive of Bruckner-Kreis Nuremberg: A-BRK-N)>"...without any musical creative power." (Bruno Walter, in a letter to the composer on 25 April 1957, about the 3rd symphony, A-BRK-N)>"We don´t want such music." (Alfons Dressel, GMD of Nuremberg in the fifties, A-BRK-N)>"The music is too much out of time. And the fact that it uses no appropriate conformist tone language, a language to be seriously understood today, seems to me its greatest mistake indeed, and may be a fatal one. It is an absolute anachronism." (Peter Huber, letter of 5 May 2005. A-BRK-N)topkek
For today's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Un Ballo In Maschera conducted by Sir Georg Solti (it appears Solti has two acclaimed recordings of this work, one headlined by Birgit Nilsson and this one, featuring Margaret Price, Christa Ludwig, Kathleen Battle, and of course Pavarotti; I added both but gonna start with this one)overturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEncWGqYj58&list=OLAK5uy_k-a2PlMb3ZyitWZ1VPjiUh7uZ_-rLfVwA&index=2random vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y7VurEAlRE&list=OLAK5uy_k-a2PlMb3ZyitWZ1VPjiUh7uZ_-rLfVwA&index=7
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ5b_9iK94M
I love how Wozzeck is basically a Wagner opera on steroids through the lens of 20th century miseryThe symphony that plays underneath the 2nd act is just so good
>>129584996Do you have a recommendation on performance to watch for it?
>>129585014https://youtu.be/cS7rIkIohuI I watched this one. It's brilliant
>>129585041But that's a movie! I kid, thanks.
hehe jealous?
>>129585080W
>>129585080there's nothing I am less jealous of than someone who is a fan of Karajan of all people
>>129584996too bad the plot is dogshit
>>129585126Just like Wagner
>>129585080>>129584664You are obsessed with "mogging" and aura farming. You even claim you're good looking trying to aura farm here LOL. Anon, you need friends. We all do desu
>>129585234not even close
>>129585290True, Wagner is much worse plot wise
the art of fugue is the saddest music I have ever heard
>>129585507well it is d minor
>>129585551which is well known to be the saddest key
>>129585235>You even claim you're good looking trying to aura farm here LOL???? where'd you hear that? (it's true tho, girls been stopping dead in their tracks, doing the doubletake with me lately)
Verdi's La Traviata >>129581610 kinda sucks tbqh, might be the most disappointed I've been so far with one of his putatively major works
>>129585235Also, on a serious note, I only post stuff like >>129584664 because I'm trying to be amusing, ideally with a story that contains a core of relatability and thus truth, don't take it so seriously
>>129585653Maybe listen to a good recording?
>>129585715You're right, I did violate my guideline to never judge a work from only a single recording. But it's Solti! The S-God!
>>129585715>>129585723And isn't this Angela Gheorgiu supposed to be a huge deal? Her singing is kinda choppy in this recording though, it's quite annoying. It's like she's singing through a fan, or y'know how you can move your palm over and off your mouth rapidly? Like that. I thought that was just how Verdi wrote it though.
who is this 'walkure' and why do they have to 'die'?
>>129583453I need to expand my repertoire. Which of these is the best?
>>129585630You claimed you were a handsome hapa.>>129585675I appreciate your humor, but there's often an element of truth in humor. You might score high on narcissism.>>129585741Choppy singing is pure modern school. Verdi inherited the bel canto and wouldn't write something that bad, she's probably singing it awfully (haven't listened, just guessing).
It's spelled "Walküre" actually.
>>129585234>>129585304Correct.
>>129585808Kinda depends what forms you're into, but if I had to choose...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhGgb8S_w68https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz-ujVxrS-shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfrwcO5CR4chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdE4EF9TsJ0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2az8ch_EIUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpLFvdqsPEUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSNKQ3swr0Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghwnAHgE_KwThis is primarily based on that most people, when they get into classical, aren't that into vocal music. If you are, then definitely check out the Haydn Nelson Mass, Mendelssohn St Paul, Verdi 4 Sacri, and I guess Handel Solomon.
>>129585842That picture is one of the greatest things I've ever seen
>>129585808Probably Ravel if you like the French style.
>>129585723please do yourself a favor and stop listening to Solti and Karajan for the love of God
>>129585879oh shi---!!
>>129585808Schubert's 2nd piano trio absolutely, it's the greatest chamber music masterpiece ever conceived by anyone, and I'll die on that hill. Also Chopin's cello sonata.
>>129585877There's also a side profile view.
Tvthnvke: you will NEVER comprehend the true full beauty of classical music unless you're classically trained on an instrument to some degree
>>129585814>You might score high on narcissism.What can I say, I'm almost always the smartest person in the room, and one of the most attractive as well. If it helps any I'm financially poor.
>>129585899never saved an image so quick
>>129585902Plausible enough.
>>129585914Do your homeworkhttps://openpsychometrics.org/tests/NPI/
Trvthnvke: you will NEVER comprehend the true full beauty of classical music unless you have played in a chamber ensemble or an orchestra
>>129585941Except I feel things like anxiety and guilt, take responsibility for my mistakes, and admit my faults.
>>129585899>>129585842Meowjo-to-ho!
is there anything more tryhard than making a picture of Bernstein your phone background?
Trvke: you will NEVER comprehend the true potential of human pleasure without injecting meth while performing Sorabji's 100 transcendental etudes in one sitting
>>129585902...duh?
>>129585945Oh so you're stupid.
Wagnerhttps://files.catbox.moe/qkpn9l.mp3
>>129585723Solti is okay but the reason everyone loves his early opera recordings is because of the Decca sound and the securing of excellent singers. Which is not to say that he is a bad conductor by any means for much of that repertoire, but rather that there are usually better choices in terms of strictly conducting. Anyways, it's important not to hold him to a golden standard for every single recording that he did. Many of his digital recordings feature pretty mediocre singing, and he didn't always secure great casts. His Tristan und Isolde is terrible, for instance.Try Gardelli
>>129585999Hmm, I see. Thanks for the perspective.>GardelliSadly YouTube Music doesn't seem to have his La Traviata (in non-highlights form) but I added his Verdi I Lombardi and Nabucco. Thanks.
>>129585999I suppose why I generally stick to conductors who don't primarily perform opera is because for me I like a more holistic approach to my opera and choral recordings, ie instead of who brings out the best singing or clarity or elevation of the story, I prefer those who place the orchestra on equal footing, and almost treat the voices as another form of instrument. In other words, operas are less plays to me and more symphonies. Hence whenever I look up recordings to try, I default to names like Karajan, Barenboim, Solti, Sinopoli, Levine, Leinsdorf, and if there aren't any I recognize, I avoid the work entirely, because it's probably too operatic, as silly as that sounds, because if it wasn't good enough for those orchestral conductors, then I'm not interested.
>>129585977pls no bully
>>129583177>Confess your classical sins.The 81 Goldberg Variations are my favorite classical recording
>>129586071I mean... Yes, the voice is just another instrument. So there is no reason to accept a mediocre voice just as there is no reason to accept a mediocre violinist in a violin concerto.
>>129586141I'm not talking about the voice, I'm talking about the one controlling the balance and dynamics and the direction of it all, the conductor.
>>129586141>>129586177Conductors who predominantly perform opera and choral works seem to place the most emphasis on clarity and fidelity, where the voice is king. Conductors who predominantly perform orchestral works tend to, to my ears, care mostly about what sounds best, and the orchestra is given just as much importance, where instead of being subordinate to the singing, the orchestra and voices are complementary to create the best overall sound aesthetic. That's my experience and view, anyway.
>>129585866>>129585878>>129585894Am listening to the Schubert right now, this man was a madlad
now playingstart of Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 23https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZpiSX2Ye0s&list=OLAK5uy_nB_RNkMvPQmM6Hg3AA8yyj-SdaXVNIYLQ&index=2start of Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnuyXAuLzto&list=OLAK5uy_nB_RNkMvPQmM6Hg3AA8yyj-SdaXVNIYLQ&index=5start of Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 2 in G Major, Op. 44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgaRwkSyRSs&list=OLAK5uy_nB_RNkMvPQmM6Hg3AA8yyj-SdaXVNIYLQ&index=8Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 75https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTMu_nZmUp0&list=OLAK5uy_nB_RNkMvPQmM6Hg3AA8yyj-SdaXVNIYLQ&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nB_RNkMvPQmM6Hg3AA8yyj-SdaXVNIYLQTchaikovsky's second piano concerto is so overlooked.
LISTEN TO BENJAMIN BRITTEN'S OPERAShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUPPI0SrAmchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYp2tDWEzCohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3DOt3zfek8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y47AhE-xN80
>>129586071>I suppose why I generally stick to conductors who don't primarily perform opera>I default to names like Karajan, Barenboim, Solti, Sinopoli, Levine, Leinsdorf?????Save for Sinopoli (who still has lots of opera recordings), all of those conductors you just mentioned have a shit ton of opera
Just a minor opera conductor no big deal
>>129583177I think people who like Glenn Gould should be shot in the face
>>129586561I'm talking about the conductors who perform almost exclusively opera/choral music. The ones you see when searching through opera recordings and go "who the hell is this guy?" because you have a thorough knowledge of conductors of orchestral music.
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Nabucco conducted by Lamberto Gardellioverturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN2tRgTlXEA&list=OLAK5uy_lwjoW7QbwbS9nAGuZ3_J5qF1fr8orfJow&index=2random vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVj_FBmJhOA&list=OLAK5uy_lwjoW7QbwbS9nAGuZ3_J5qF1fr8orfJow&index=9
>>129586783sigh, I only used the word "predominantly" and "primarily" a thousand times to precisely explain the divide of conductors I'm referring to, but okay
>>129586071Prejudging conductors en masse like this is insane coming from the person who chides people for thinking Karajan is mediocre.
>>129586071>operas are less plays to me and more symphoniesthis is what not knowing Italian and German does to you. Sad!
>>129587105Well, you can chide me for prejudging these opera/choral-dominant conductors for not being good (ie to my tastes), maybe I'm wrong and I should give more of them a chance, but there's no denying I'm absolutely correct in delineating a distinction between the process and output of these kinds of conductors versus those of traditional orchestral conductors who also perform opera and choral works. It's like look at the Beethoven Missa Solemnis from camp A, Shaw/Gardiner/Suzuki/Herreweghe, then from group B, Karajan/Klemperer/Solti/Levine/Kubelik/et al. and it's a clean night-and-day divide.It works both ways too. Someone who's a fan of the first group can easily criticize the recordings of the second by saying the diminish the singing in favor of the orchestra too much, and depending on your preferences, you'd be right. But that's how I like it. And when you listen to the orchestra under those group A conductors, it's always so perfunctory and lifeless. Which again, is fine if you mostly only care about the singing and plot, and the orchestra is primarily background, but that's not me, I take a more holistic approach; the voices are merely another instrument. They're voice-concertos!>>129587308I have no rebuttal.
>>129587313>It's like look at the Beethoven Missa Solemnis from camp A, Shaw/Gardiner/Suzuki/Herreweghe, then from group B, Karajan/Klemperer/Solti/Levine/Kubelik/et al. and it's a clean night-and-day divide....No, not at all.
Operas aren't plays with music for me; they're choral symphonies with plots.
>>129587325if you are deaf maybe it isn't
>>129587313it's okay one day I'll get bothered enough to translate the Ring and post it here (I don't think any of the available translations are very good)
>>129587336The reasons for their differences have very little to do with the conductors having worked primarily in orchestral or vocal music. Some like Gardiner and Karajan are not really classifiable as either in the first place.
>>129587325You're trolling, right? But if you're serious, here, lemme post a prime example. You search up Berlioz's Requiem and you get results from both campsCamp Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcAAs9GpsOc&list=OLAK5uy_ll43M4jTxgW-N5SPJUy9HI5plKMGPLHuU&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Z0NOCqFWQ&list=OLAK5uy_mPHO27_a4H_9iLbXGyVNtAxPhVXy0pF5o&index=5Camp Bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhHQO1L1mPw&list=OLAK5uy_nO1HyQiLDDfiTfPJBK9nM6v7H6KrClcuU&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr8e5QXpJyE&list=OLAK5uy_kG5fRAUaNmQkYpyXpAOUDNx7X7BvzFqzk&index=5Again, if all you care about is clarity of the voices, then yeah, Camp A is better, but for holistic, for complementing the orchestra instead of the orchestra being an afterthought, gimme Camp B any day.
>>129587356The Keilberth Ring camp with a translated libretto but it's not something I read while listening to it. In fact I only care about libretto when I'm watching it. If I'm listening, then the plot becomes a nonfactor, it's basically absolute music for me at that point, they could be singing gibberish for all I care so long as it sounds good (of course, there's something to be said for dramatic momentum even with the voices, ie you can get a sense for what's going on in the plot based on the dynamics of the singing, and the structure and pacing adds to the overall musical form independent of knowing the plot and exact words they're saying, but you get my point)
>>129587373>>129587325And to illustrate my point, if I search for recordings of an opera, and I get four results -- Ozawa, Colin Davis, then two I've never heard of -- I'm choosing the Ozawa and Davis every time because, just like in the case with Berlioz's Requiem there, I'm assuming the other two guys are gonna be opera-specialists, and their recordings are gonna be the opera equivalent of Spano and Nelson there for choral.
>>129587373You are generalising about something that isn't generalisable. Gardiner's instrumental recordings follow the same principles as his vocal ones. Shaw comes from an entirely different school, more Romantic, more concerned with shaping and articulation, and it makes no sense to dump them together as 'choral guys'.
>>129587437Of course there are differences even within the group, but can you deny,A) there exist conductors who record almost exclusively opera/choralB) these conductors generally emphasize vocal clarity and sonority over all elseB.1) almost always to the detriment of the orchestral musicI don't see how this can possibly be controversial. Now, you wanna argue these types still produce worthwhile recordings, even for someone like me, then fine, but there's absolutely a generalizable approach and style.
amazon search: puccini madama butterflyresults, looking at conductor:serafin - literally who? passkarajan - addedablerto erede - who?? passbarbirolli - addedleinsdorf - addedmaazel - addedpatrick summers - who? passgarbriele santini - who the hell... passsinopoli - addedpappano - eh... pass (for now)max rudolf - is this a made-up name??? pass!!daniel oren - another fake conductor, passyou get it yet? simple as
>>129587480I am not denying the existence of specialist conductors, but rather that it can be generalised in this way. I am saying you should stop trying to use abstractions like this to prejudge conductors you haven't listened to. Most of what you are talking about re: clarity of individual voices is just HIP as Romantic choral conducting was often closer in interpretive philosophy to its contemporary orchestral conducting. Even within the limited domain of HIP it's hardly uniform and the interpretive approach of different conductors is generalisable across their work: if you find René Jacobs' Figaro quirky or perverse then you're likely to find his recordings of the last symphonies quirky or perverse. Likewise for Gardiner's 'objective' approach and transparent textures.
>>129587557>serafin - literally who?didn't even read the rest of the post
>>129587561Of course these conductors have their own personal characteristics, but you can still create a rough grouping even if not all the traits align. And yes, not everyone who likes some of that group will like the rest. But lemme ask you this, someone says to you they like Karajan's recording of X work and dislike Gardiner's -- do you think it's more likely they will also like Solti's or Rene Jacobs' recording as well? I think you'd agree in this circumstance it's a 100% alignment, and that's because, even without universal traits, even without constant traits, you can still group things based on some of the traits appearing some of the time so long as there's an overall pattern and cluster.In any case, maybe I'll eventually get the recordings by those opera-specialists in the future, but for now, when I'm still trying out acclaimed classic recordings for the first time, I'll stick to the names I know because, in my experience, they conduct in a style I like, and in my limited experience, the other guys don't.
Rachmaninoffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1EsZ3qwMzM
>>129587585does he have a Beethoven cycle? Brahms? Bruckner? Mahler? Schumann? no? p-p-passsssss
>>129587629>And yes, not everyone who likes some of that group will like the rest. But lemme ask you this, someone says to you they like Karajan's recording of X work and dislike Gardiner's -- do you think it's more likely they will also like Solti's or Rene Jacobs' recording as well?This division is because Jacobs is HIP. Do you really imagine our hypothetical listener would mean to describe choral transparency in expressing this preference? Again, this comparison breaks down when you consider Shaw or others you'd no doubt group similarly like Karl Richter.
>>129587655ok skip the best Butterfly recording then. it's your problem
>>129587680I like Shaw but he's a choral guru who sounds like a choral guru. Richter, fair, I'd have trouble differentiating his Bach from, say, Jochum or Klemperer, and his Messiah from Solti's or Davis'. But as you progress through the eras, the difference becomes more pronounced. Look at Rilling or Hengelbrock, you CAN tell their conducting from non-choral specialists. Pappano might be a true middleground though.Anyway, fine, I'll be a little bit broader and open when choosing which opera recording to listen to, and give those new names a try.
now playingstart of Schubert: Symphony No. 9 in C Major, D. 944 "The Great"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-7iCddlTBA&list=OLAK5uy_kEtkKb-trTWHxUe6ZyhZ-pfrQ_fcbdlvA&index=2start of Haydn: Symphony No. 88 in G Major, Hob. I:88 "The Letter V"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZTbKs7UBuo&list=OLAK5uy_kEtkKb-trTWHxUe6ZyhZ-pfrQ_fcbdlvA&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kEtkKb-trTWHxUe6ZyhZ-pfrQ_fcbdlvA
is this album cover from something? what's with the kitty?
>>129583177I hate operaMozart still sucksRomantic music sucksBABIAA forever and unashamed, Baroque is king Renaissance is queen
>>129588140probably an illustration of Sachs. there aren't many so that might be one of the few in color and the cat is just there because the artist wanted it to be, but it wasn't included as a decision by the record company or anything
>>129588153ah, ty
>>129588147>retarded opinion>retarded meme image that appeals to 15 year old discord userschecke out
>>129588161careful anon, that's the BABIAA-chad
Man, Capet Quartet really are second to none.
>>129588161>>129588169>salty romanticucks and classishitsYWNBAW, no matter how much you listenj to Mozart and Chopin's music, you will always be deranged faggots
>>129588174You're over 100 years old?
>>129588198>>129588147As someone who spends most of his classical listening time listening to romanticism (and related), I can't imagine being into classical but hating romanticism. I'd love to see your music activity for the past 40 hours worth of music. Is it just 40 hours of Bach?
>>129588169dont know dont care hope hes raped tomorrow
>>129588174based and true, their slow movement of the 14th Beethoven quartet is unparalleled
>>129588215>Is it just 40 hours of Bach?Not a bad way to go
>>129588215>40 hours of Bach?Do a man need anything else?
They used to sing this at church where I grew up. Only found out its by Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGXK4vI8CI
>>129583177Ive rarely moved bast the baroque era, there are a few of the big names from later that I enjoy but that symphonic shit is a bit too pompous for me
>>129586307Last movement, when the theme from the slow movement returns, is where the magic happens.
>Eight “Little” Preludes and Fugues (BWV 553–560)Probably the most famous doubtful set.Frequently attributed instead to Johann Ludwig Krebs (Bach pupil) or another student.Stylistically simpler and pedagogical.Survive only in later copies.Many modern editions no longer list them as authentic Bach.These are widely regarded today as probably not by Bach.>Toccata and Fugue in D minor (BWV 565)Doubts raised by Peter Williams and others.Violinistic figuration, unusual harmonic writing, and lack of early sources.Some propose it began as a violin work later arranged for organ.Still officially catalogued as Bach, but authenticity remains debated.>Cantatas>BWV 143 – “Lobe den Herrn, meine Seele”Highly problematic.Stylistic inconsistencies.Possibly a composite work.Some scholars consider parts of it not Bach at all.Often classified as doubtful.>BWV 15 – “Denn du wirst meine Seele nicht in der Hölle lassen”Now widely attributed to Johann Ludwig Bach (a cousin of J.S. Bach).Formerly listed as J.S. Bach.Essentially no longer considered authentic.>Instrumental Works>Sonata for Flute and Continuo in E-flat major (BWV 1031)Possibly by Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach.Galant style raises suspicion.Attribution uncertain.>Sonata for Flute and Continuo in G major (BWV 1020)Also possibly by C.P.E. Bach.Stylistically closer to mid-18th-century empfindsamer Stil.These two are among the strongest instrumental attribution doubts.>Cello Suite No. 6 (BWV 1012) – early skepticismNot seriously doubted today.But historically questioned because of technical demands and unusual tuning.Now accepted.>Lute Works>Lute Suite in E minor (BWV 996)Authorship debated.Some argue it may be keyboard music adapted for lute.>Several works in BWV 995–1000Questions about whether they were conceived for lute or Lautenwerk (keyboard lute).Not necessarily spurious, but problematic in genre attribution.
>>129588284>>129588299>>129588935More than 30 minutes of Bach a day is enough to make a man vomit.
>>129587356What don't you like about the existing translations? Can you post some example passage comparisons?
>>129588676baroque composers were simply too based for this fake and gay modern world.
Fact: Baroque is rendered useless by the Romantic as far as quality is concerned.
>>129589225lay off on the estrogen.
>>129589238Are you implying estrogen increases perception of quality? Damn, maybe you should hop on estrogen then.
>my mfw when i like renaissance, baroque, classical and romantic all for their own qualities
>>129589588you're no fun, anon. splitting hairs and getting into pointless arguments is what this general is all about.
>>129589588what about music after 1900
>>129589640sir, the current year is 1895.
>>129589670huh?
>>129589727stop frequenting those opium dens.
I just found out Chopin died.
>>129589748It's 2026 and I still do that!
What about this Bonynge guy, is he a good opera conductor?
now playingstart of Bruckner: Symphony No. 5 in B-Flat Major, WAB 105https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YTANkHBcN8&list=OLAK5uy_mStzPZrBJ5rlruz6-DzFz7uiJKNfYrgAo&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mStzPZrBJ5rlruz6-DzFz7uiJKNfYrgAo>The number of fresh releases of Bruckner symphonies verges on the incredible. Here is what many people, including me until recently, regard as his most recalcitrant work in its fourth or fifth new recording this year. When you finally ‘get’ the Fifth, as I think I have, it is so overwhelming that any adequate account of it has you reaching for superlatives. But I think this new one, in Simone Young’s complete series, is probably the finest new performance (it’s a live performance, though there are no extraneous sounds) I’ve heard for a long time.>Anyone who still talks nonsense about Bruckner writing the same symphony nine times should listen to this. The first movement, taking Bruckner’s stop-go procedures to their limits, is startlingly original, and was never repeated. Young manages the rare feat of honouring all Bruckner’s changes of gear and tempo while keeping a powerful forward flow, so that at last I am convinced that the movement is a complete success. The middle two movements are comparatively straightforward – the sound of the Hamburg Philharmonic, with its long distinguished record of Bruckner performing, is notably lean in the slow movement, and convincingly so, while the last, which Furtwängler described as the most monumental in symphonic literature, is as always exhausting but elating too. With its multiple themes, its two fugues, one on a single theme, the other a double fugue, and its blazing chorales, it’s tempting to listen to it separately. No doubt I shall listen to other accounts which are as fine, but for the moment I find that hard to believe. ---- Michael Tanner, BBC Music Magazine
Just found out Arvo Part died.
>>129590597lies, him and Blomstedt are both still alive
>>129590597Made me look
finna livestream myself listening to the entirety of the Ring in one sitting
>>129590614RIP anon (? - 2026)
It's actually easier for me to listen through Rheingold+Walkure in one sitting than Gotterdammerung because the latter is just so musically dense.
>her: anon, play some of that classical music for us to dance towhat do you put on?
>>129591007https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4V4aNcgi5E
>>129591007https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxARd6Dblz4
>>129591007Xenakis
>>129591007Schoenberg - Piano ConcertoThen tell the whore to stfu, music is supposed to be listened to, not d*nced to.
discovered my girl was cheating on me when she came home and started whistling Xenakis
What are your autistic pet peeves?Personally i always hate it when the Sanctus and Benedictus of a mass are separate tracks. They're almost never designed to work as separate movements so to get a full musical expierence you have to listen to both anyways (and they're often musically linked by the Hosanna). What is the point? It'd be like making the opening adagios of symphonies separate
>>129591116lol that's pretty autisticMine is I almost always refuse to listen to any kind of excerpt/selected pieces program. For example, Anderszewski's recording of selected pieces from Bach's WTC? Nope. If it's not the complete WTC, no thank you. Recording contains six selected pieces from Liszt's Annees de pelerinage? Hard pass. The program is a mix of various Chopin Nocturnes, Ballades, Mazurkas, and the like? Dismissed.
>>129591130That's absolutely idiotic.
>>129591154Hey, I really like Anderszewski, but if he's not gonna record the entire WTC or every piece from Brahms' ops. 116-119, then I won't spend time listening to it. Sorry not sorry.Yes I know this is silly but is what it is. And yes, I know these pieces were always intended to be performed however one wished, individually and in whatever order. But it bugs me too much.
>>129591130That's a very weird take considering most of those composers probably didn't intend for them to be performed all of the piece. Not to mention that in some of those pieces, the interpretive brilliance can come in through one piece, but not another. I think a good example of that is Brahms' late piano works, which are so varied in tone and structure and atmosphere, that some pianists will do excellently in one piece, and some pianists will do poor in the others, and absolutely no pianists can do justice to all of them.
>>129591177I'm aware of all of that. But my 'tism forces me to listen to Brahms' ops. 116-119 in order from start to finish every time, no picking and choosing allowed.
>>129585507Perhaps Bach in general is a bit sad.
>>129591168
>>129585507I get a more mystical, religious experience from it, but I suppose I can understand sad too.
>>129591206>>129591177>>129591154here's an example of a recording I won't listen to for the very reason I outlined above. A shame because I like Grimaud and I'm quite certain it's a great recording. Oh well. Should have recorded the entire WTC!
Anyone else a digital hoarder?
>>129591233:OAnd I used to before a friend destroyed the laptop containing my collection back when I was a rockist. Now I stream virtually everything, only resorting to downloading when the recording isn't available on the streaming service I use and it's a recording I really, really want to listen to, generally one of the most acclaimed for the piece, by one of my favorite conductors, or special in some other way.
>>129591231Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>129591116Do you have your music player set to have a substantial pause between tracks or something? I don't see how this would have any tangible effect on you at all once you press play on the music.
>>129591262...I'm j-j-just answering the q-question, anon :(And besides, plenty of recordings of complete whatever I want to listen to that it's rarely ever a significant loss anyway.
>>129591233Yeah. I'm my own streaming service.
>>129591276I didn't ask any questions.Yes, it is a huge loss, since the greatest pianists rarely recorded full sets. But then again, you don't listen to them.
>>129591331Just to be clear, I'm not saying I avoid recordings like "Beethoven's Piano Sonatas: Waldstein, Appassionata, and Les Adieux", only ones that are piecemeal of a work, like if they only had one movement from the Appassionata.
>>129585507Compared to the others here, I don't know much, and I haven't listened to Bach much either, but I like to think that counterpoint is an almost natural technique. I don't think about anything when I listen to Bach.
Baking cupcakes and preparing for Tristan und Isolde sesh. I want to watch, guess I'll go with the Barenboim recording.
For this morning's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Don Carlos conducted by Claudio Abbadohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZaiNNbEU8s&list=OLAK5uy_nFNr975WM6tjtFZz5ig65FurncQN38Rlc&index=7
new>>129591589>>129591589>>129591589
the vagner meme
>>129591267Its just a case of "why?", it doesnt work to listen to the sanctus as an isolated piece of music so why isolate the track? Who goes>hm yes I will listen to the sanctus of the Missa Solemnis but not the benedictus
>>129589285This Freudian slip won't go unnoticed.
