>a fucking sensor size general
>OP NO PHOTO, a literal fucking list of gear lmao
Hey OP are you ever going on an adventure with your junk or are you just going to shoot the field a 5 minute walk from your bug pod again

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>>4373342
m43 is a mount, retard
picrelated is you as a retarded fish

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>>4373345
it also has bird shit on it so it even smells like you

>>4373345
Wow he finally walked a whole 6 minutes from his apartment to take a photo of someone elses “art”

Common m43 w

>>4373349
>kiked out brainlet considers retarded fish graffiti art
the jews really cooked your brain

>>4373340
>No 60mm or 90mm m.zuiko macro lens
Normally it'd be low hanging fruit to just insult the M43 general for being the M43 general, but this time you make a list of gear and don't even include the good gear? Who the FUCK is buying a 75mm f/1.8 for M43? The entire purpose of your mounting system is for arthritic birdwatchers with a 800mm f/16 equivalent, and people who want to do macro with something that isn't 2kg. Excluding the handbag accessory, ofc.
>>4373345
Hmmm, I get downtown Melborune vibes from this

>>4373351
>art is quoted
>nazi has to bitch about jews anyways
So, why do good nazi artists not exist? neo nazis and conspiracy theorists in particular are just aesthetically incompetent in the same fashion as people who have been mentally ill their entire life. I’ve known a few good artists who were secretly about as conservative as obama if he believed transvestism homosexuality could and should be cured, so its not a conservative v liberal thing. These two specific groups, antisemites and schizos, literally can not produce anything of aesthetic value.

How? Mental retardation? Have you considered raving more often and going into outsider art?

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>>4373358
I just don't like macro. It's a list of lenses I personally would like for my style of photography. And as I don't do macro I don't want a macro lens. Simple as.

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>>4373361
>So, why do good nazi artists not exist?
because nazis were socialists and commie can't into art

>>4373373
Half true. Specifically the abandonment of god destroys your ability to create art.

>>4373373
>far-left commies call the slightly less lefty socialists far-right in wartime propaganda
It's true... although Nazi aesthetic was kino.

>>4373376
Most great artists were atheists

>>4373382
Post some atheist art that's actually good. I'll wait.

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>>4373340
New M43 content dropped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuVsCkA3kks

>>4373394
if the conclusion isn't "No." I'm going to copyright strike this video.

>>4373382
kiked out postmodernism isn't art. anyone can literally shit on a canvas and sell it when his surname is shekelstein

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>>4373372
Black and white water kino

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Neo nazis are incapable of shutting the fuck up with their myth that jews invented art other than nazi state approved pseudo-intellectual pseudo-classical .

No, dears, I'm afraid it was all white people. Even street photography is a white invention (french and scottish to be specific), and is despite a 20th century rush of jews (courtesy of another white invention, the leica freedom train, and white society's existing trends in art favoring street photography), still today a primarily white activity.

And all the "jews" in art are actually just germans who are hardly jewish in any sense. Most of them are whiter than adolf "sonofa gypsy" hitler, so your antisemitism is extremely misplaced.

>>4373384
Atheists are grossly overrepresented among good art (delacroix, picasso, van gogh, bacon, monet, da vinci, and dali when the mood struck him)

You could also say that intelligent people are overrepresented among good art, and things that do not correlate well with intelligence do not correlate well with good art.

>>4373410
>posted no art
>named bad artists or artists who weren't atheists
Thank you for proving my point. Good day.

>>4373413
all of the artists named were good, and atheists

but you're some dumb nazi fuck who's always crying about jews succeeding when 85 IQ nazis fail, so the only art you can approve is uncreative neo-classical wank, and the only correct way to argue with you is to sweep your legs and plant your face in the dirt.

>>4373410
imagine being this brainwashed to unironically believe it

>>4373414
I'm not a nazi and I never said anything like that, in fact I agreed that the nazis produced no great art because they were atheists. I'm sorry your terminally online. Go outside

>>4373414
go shit on a canvas and get a good grade from professor finkelstein
but pls leave this thread. this thread is whites and m43 only

>>4373419
The nazis produced no great art because those of them that might have been intelligent enough to were soulless and amoral. Atheist or not, it's hard to wring any creativity out of the mentally impaired, and in order to be a nazi, you must be significantly impaired. You won't find much great art from murderous israeli and palestinian terrorists either. Evil people can't make art. It has nothing to do with your gross demiurge fetish.

Normally atheists can, do, and should have souls because they are gnostics who have seen the lies of demiurge and know that any true god is above even worship, any true god will be found and understood when mankind deserves to know of it. True gods do not concern themselves with bacon or ask men to do their dirty work.

>>4373429
the most logical assumption is there is no actual god as a conscious will, but god is a metaphorical description for the ultimate governing mechanism of the universe

why should the thing that is highest in reality be like us? we are not that high, we can't even see infared

how it started: list of lenses
how it's going: god & hitler
/m43/ never disappoints

>>4373438
Such is life when your thread is literally just a list of lenses and camera models with not one single decent photo to be seen

The only time anyone graced /m43/ with good photography, it was FF and film users playing around with m43 gear before fucking off back to the canikonies, and the last time it had a hinged gear discussion, it was doghair and huskyfag talking about the feasibility of using a cheap micro four thirds as a light meter/previewer for shooting LF/MF with manual flash.

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fuck it here's some snapshits since i dont contribute to these threads

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>>4373443
>it was doghair and huskyfag talking about the feasibility of using a cheap micro four thirds as a light meter/previewer for shooting LF/MF with manual flash
mental illness
also based m43 numerals

>>4373492
I like that I just know she is Australian by just looking at her.

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>>4373340
>based micro four thirds continuing to make nophoto foolframe gearcels seethe

>>4373487
>>4373492
These are actually fucking gross

>>4373497
Is there such a thing as an m43 lens that goes up to f64? It would be a lot more convenient than using an ND filter.

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>>4373358
behead those who would insult the oly 75 1.8

>>4373568
did this post get routed from an alternate reality where this thread was made by a photographer

>>4373623
>nophoto
opinion discarded

>>4373487
These are actually outside. That's scary!

>>4373631
>nophoto
Opinion also discarded. Checkmate.

>>4373646
I already posted pics.
I bet you own a foolframe snoy and never take photos with it lmao what a gearcel

>>4373659
Ew. M43 is a meme but we can both agree Snoy is a bigger meme

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If Vivian Maier were alive today she would shoot an a7cii and post anonymous messages making fun of micro four thirds users (while never posting photos, obviously)

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>>4373641
take a walk, its not so bad

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>>4373667
its so blurry wtf

which $12 used chinese manual focus lens is this

>>4373666
*a7rv
**with gay master lens

>>4373666
god, I just want to know what her cunt looks like. She didn't take a single nude? I find that very difficult to believe.

My widest lens is the 12-45mm. Should I get a wider lens? Which are good? I do landscape often enough but never really feel the need to go wider, but I like a lot of landscape photogs who frequently go into the 18-24 (FF equivalent) range. Is the old Oly 9-18 any good? I'm also considering swapping my 12-45 for the 8-25 but it seems a bit big on paper at least.

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>>4373575
don't know but my OM-5 has built in ND filters so what do I care lol

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>>4373666
yes, of course she would. the a7c is a camera for lesbians

>>4373688
yes, the 9-18 is "any good". of course not as good as the 7-14 or 8-25 but still more than good enough. you're going to step it down anyway so it will be plenty sharp. I'd suggest to get it and see if you actually like ultra wide at all (because it's by far the least expensive of the three).

>>4373688
24mm (equiv.) is basically the widest (normal) focal length, so it's wide for most photography. Going further you get into fisheye territory which is either really useful to you, or not at all. Landscape fisheye can be funky and cool, but only if the environment calls for it, which ofc, depends on where you go, so YMMV. If it's cheap enough why the fuck not, but I personally think 24mm (equiv.) is a god-tier focal length

>>4373705
You mean in general or mft? Because there are 15mm FF lenses with very little distortion, that really isn't fisheye-only teritory.

>>4373723
>24mm (equiv.)
>equiv
what did he mean by this?

>>4373723
I was speaking in general. You are right that going to 23mm isn't suddenly fisheye, but the distortion get more significant. I have a 10mm lens I use on M43 that has significant distortion and would consider it light fisheye.

I digress because the point I wanted to make is distortion gets stronger at extremely wide FLs which generally isn't great for landscape shots.

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>>4373744
That depends on the lens. Picrel is 15mm FF lens.

>>4373700
Oh easy! Mft cameras really are optimized for use as a light meter for better cameras!

mft sisters the phone thread is making fun of us again

Why does mft make foolframe fags seethe so much?

>>4373763
They are insecure gearcels and probably shoot snoys and only take pictures of test charts and brick walls

>>4373340
Not a photo, a shopping list (op)

>>4373345
Cement wall, because brick was too expensive (op)

>>4373372
Test shot, dirty canal water can't be anything else like this (op)

>>4373406
Actual photography attempt

>>4373487
Camera went off on its own

>>4373763
Is the fool frame seethe in the room with us right now?

>>4373492
Olympussy's legendary poodle detect AF

>>4373515
Camera went off on its own

>>4373621
Test shot, sure would be nice to know what stuff is without googling labels because a close up of metal junk is just dpreview test shot tier

>>4373667
Camera might be broken actually, shame its a 4/10 photo otherwise, very /p/ aka "the new topographics at home:"

>>4373700 (op)
Test shot of windowsil, please clean your house and then go outside

Verdict: thank your for separating yourselves from /rpt/ and the much higher quality digishit general

>>4373760
the phone thread can make fun of us. they post more (and better) photos. ;_;

>>4373670
Panasonic 1.7 25mm

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>>4373340
I love the Olympus B&W SOOC

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>>4373863
imagine how many times this huskyfag shot this photo before getting one where the dogs eyebrows didnt have motion blur, when they could have done it outside at a higher shutter speed, less noise, and the iris in focus

>>4373867
>huskyfag
>gx8
is he at least paying?

>>4373870
no, he's changing faking exif for le epic trolls. but he's too lazy to crop the image to have a 4:3 aspect ratio

>>4373688
>Should I get a wider lens?
no. ultrawide just encourages you to take photos of the ground (e.g. waves returning out to sea, i.e. navel gazing). the 12-45 f4 is also one of a handful of lenses that justifies the whole mount

>>4374021
what are the others? 60 2.8?

>>4374015
You're absolutely fucking retarded, totally lost in obsession.
Touch grass my man.

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>>4373340
in other news: pathetic bird butthole afficionado boomers over at dpreview cry because of the new fuji 500mm/f5.6 lens kek. they're afraid wormji is going to release a wildlife capable body

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>>4374031
The Macro? Seccy. The 90mm BTFOs it but is also... 4x the price? Honestly the 60mm and a raynox filter would set you pretty decently for macro

>>4374015
HuskyGOD has gaslighted you to death

>>4374357
>Honestly the 60mm and a raynox filter would set you pretty decently for macro
don't forget the step up ring

>>4374031
>what are the others? 60 2.8?
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Rec me a good macro lens /m43/ :)

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>>4374393
lolympus 60 2.8

>>4374393
The Oly 60mm if you're into normal macro, the Oly 90mm if you need 4x (35mm equivalent) to 8x (with the TC) for some reason. It has dual IS so it's (relatively) handholdable at those magnifications as well, though you'd want to use flash of course.

>>4374392
>the 12-40 f2.8 never made sense to me for the system
really? i'd figure it's the 12-45 that doesn't make sense, since the 12-50 was the old shitbox slow zoom ('i want something sealed but cheap') and the 12-40 is the sameish size but far far sharper and faster. the -45 is pointless if anything
>pancake zooms
they're all kind of shit and even breakage prone though, if a pancake has to be recommended it should be the old 20mm panasonic

>>4374392
>Save 100 grams and 30mm^2 of space by going m43.
>Chuck the largest lenses you can find on it thereby negating any weight and size savings
There are legitimate reasons, but most people don't qualify for them. The 14-42 EZ lens basically turns your M43 isn't a pocket camera.

>>4374397
The oly EZ power zoom pancake is actually really, really good. Not being sealed doesnt even matter at that form factor desu

>>4374459
Power zooms are satanic.

>>4374503
So what?
Is your mom going to panic?

The E-P1 has nice jpgs. If I get one and a pancake prime will I become a good photographer?

Why is micro four thirds so shit?

I shoot most of my stuff at ISO 64 on Z7 II but wand a smaller portable camera, something that'd do well in bright light. Micro four turds being 200 base ISO isn't doing it any favors, some smartphones can shoot super low ISO, why can't four turds do the same?

Even if I'm in direct sunlight every micro four turds I had the opportunity to use is noisy as shit even when you're shooting on a tripod with proper exposure even ETTR.. it's so much noisier than foolframe it doesn't make any sense.

Just WHY is it so bad?
I don't get it.

I want one because I don't necessarily want full frame for everything (the DOF is a meme when you want it to be deep) and I figured it would be a nice side camera for telephoto shit or macro but apparently everyone is happy applying tons of noise reduction to mft and claims it's not shit. I disagree.

I would happily use longer shutter speeds or a brighter flash to get a good image but base 200 ISO and the performance seems to make capturing good images impossible unless you do bracketing, to match what a single properly exposed shot on foolframe can do.
Fucking ridiculous.

>>4374663
Sounds like a skill issue

>>4374663
Heh, pathetic mft noob. Everything you just described as a bad things is actually why mft is so good. Maybe one day you'll figure things out...

>>4374663
>200 base ISO
my OM 5 is 64 :^)

>>4374663
What camera did you get? Do you have an example image shot at base ISO with ETTR that's noisy? Do you actually take photos? Do you even have a Z7ii?

>>4374617
I hope so, I just bought one to play around with and so I can leave a telezoom permanently on my E-M1. Going to use my pancake EZ and 17/1.8 with it, maybe some vintage lenses

>>4374670
That's an extended ISO.

>>4374672
G7
G95
M10 IV (was best of them)

>Do you actually take photos? Do you even have a Z7ii?
Of course and the autofocus is shit and the electronic shutter being ~1/15th is incredibly slow so is unusable for anything moving, would not recommend Z7II for anything other than high IQ shots of mostly stationary subjects with a tripod. When it works though, it works. The sensor is good so I continue to use it but once Nikon releases something better I'll probably be replacing it.

Old Canon SL1 has better AF, Nikon is so retarded they make their cameras back focus on things not even in the focus point displayed on your LCD. The G95's AF seemed great in comparison, was a little slow but always locked on well and that's probably because it is all contrast detect.

Nikon's smartphone remote control app is also fucking retarded I loved panasonic's, Canon's is what I'd consider standard.
Believe it or not Nikon doesn't let you shoot the Z7II at base (64) ISO if you're using snapbridge. It forces you do use ISO 100. Nikon is retarded.

>>4374678
>That's an extended ISO.
so what its still iso 64

>>4374687
Cool logic, let's all overexpose our 200 ISO cameras by 3 stops to turn them into ISO 25.
Wait, where have the highlights gone?
Doesn't matter.
It's still ISO 25.

You've gotta be joking right?

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>>4374678
Shut up and post mft photos already

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>>4374689
this but unironically

>>4374663
>>4374678
>nophotos
Opinion discarded

>>4373414
Are the nazis in the room with you right now?

>>4374689
Gerald undone did a pretty good video on extended ISOs. Basically what you do is trade a stop of dynamic range for a stop of noise reduction. Very useful in certain circumstances.

the panaleica 15 is peak MFT

>>4374770
I already have the Olympus 12mm f/2.0, I would have considered it otherwise.

Are there any native tilt/shift options for M43, even Chinese APSC-with-different-mount options?

>>4374770
more than the olympus 17?

>>4374663
Just don't bother with mft if you arent doing video or trying to minimize expense and size at the cost of quality (and lots of it)

MFT is, in fact, SHIT. It's not up to modern standards. It's digishit. It looks worse than a phone. It is a substitute for "fool frame" like a 1" PNS is.
>omg muh equivalence if u only shot f16 iso 1000 all the time...u lose! fucking DOF cheater!
Its capabilities are a subset of full frame and if you're happy with it you are literally one step, one ISO step to be exact, away from pocketable point and shoots like the rx100, and if you only use the 17mm or 20mm its a worse, bigger ricoh GR.

There is nothing you can do on it that FF can't do
FF adds all the extras. The extra stops of light. The option to use shallower DOF. The added sharpness from demanding less out of a lens even with 45mp. The added processing potential of higher resolutions. The better color rendition at every ISO from larger pixels having fewer per-pixel errors fucking up the bayer conversion. Etc. FF is just more. High res FF is even a low res APS-C camera if you crop.

That's why it costs more. It is more. It is better.

>inb4 IBIS wank
A feature of questionable use. It warps video, the good long exposure times are out of IBIS' wheelhouse, and every camera has enough IBIS+OSS for good handheld speeds now anyways.

>>4374663
what you want is aps-c
too bad nikon doesnt make a good aps-c

mft is just not what it could be unless you spend as much as you would on a brand new FF snoy on a G9II and overpriced, under-aperture'd pana"leica" shite that looks more optically mediocre than it is considering the demands of 25mp mft

didn't read

you did

micro four thirds is fucking garbage that belongs in the bin with sony rx10s and nikon coolpixes

truth hurts. time for you to stop making these gear threads and just post your snapshits in /dst/.

>>4374663
You're too autistic about noise, small amount of it is often fine. Sometimes even a lot of it. Some of my better shots are shot on D750 at 8k where the main light source was a small fire we were sitting around. And I'm not even using excessive denoising, just basic profiled denoise. The noise from MFT is nothing compared to that.

>>4374887
>>4374893

A good photographer will mog whatever snapshits you take even if all they have is a digishit with a 1/2.5" sensor. If you actually knew how to shoot images, you would not be sperging here.

>>4374893
>he thinks it's actual m43 regular users making these blatant trolling threads

>>4374960
not really trolling when foolframers seethe at the mere mention of "MFT" or "m43"

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>>4374864
I don't know of any native mft tilt shift lenses, but they make tilt shift adapters.
>>4374961
>>4374960
It is trolls trolling trolls.

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good morning micro four saards
I love shooting macros and stuff like photographing coins. I have a reversed 24mm mounted on bellows. it's not super sharp and it's hard to use.
I'm feeling like buying the olumpys 90mm macro and a high resolution m43 body for macros since it lets me reach 4x magnification with the extension tube.
thoughts? what's a good body? the GH6 is a video machine but also has 25MP but is also, again, a video machine.

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I thought the light pollution filters were a meme
They aren't

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>>4374984
neat

>>4374984
very nice saar

>>4374887
>>4374893
>autistic schizo college essay rant by a nophoto foolframer
Yep, im thinking micro four thirds WON

>>4374983
>lens
Do the calculations for if you need the extra magnification from the 90mm lens. It is a 2x lens and the sensor is 13mm high, so an object 6.5mm high would fill the frame vertically. If you only want to photograph things around 10mm high a 1x lens like the much cheaper 60mm lens would be fine. If you attach a Raynox 250 it'll give you about 2x magnification for the 60mm lens. The 90mm will be sharper than this combo at 2x.
If you look at modern macro photography competitions they virtually all use microscope objectives adapted to lenses. You probably don't need this level of magnification, but these are sharper at that level than lenses with extension tubes... they tend to also focus stack. It's very fussy and for imaging stuff a lot smaller than coins. I'd consider this route against the 90mm for 4x or 8x FF equivalent though. The 90mm is really meant for macro while outside the studio: it has autofocus, is weather sealed, and has dual IS for handheld usage. All things you'd be paying for without needing.
>extension tubes
They're more effective with shorter focal lengths, so try plugging in the 30mm (1.25x) or 60mm (1x) lenses as well if you want to go that route.
>body
If you get a body with a high res mode it'll beat anything single shot. I think both brands have good high res modes now, but check that they look good as you expect.

>>4374999
>the post is too long for me to read because my brain is smaller than my sensor, so the dead system totally won
where
the youtube algo-sphere you live in after watching too many alt right nut videos
lmao
i bet your feed is nothing but ugly 40yos with failing marriages
everyone who matters shoots film or a fuji. get off 4chan, get outta your incel algo-sphere where canonikon and snoy and micro four thirds NERD garbage is still relevant, and get with the program incel.

here's a link to your ticket to getting pussy and shooting street and portraits instead of bird assholes and rocks
https://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-X100VI-Digital-Camera-Black/dp/B0CW1KVSVF/
take the plunge. be a normal human being again. everyone else is happy. you are not. you are here arguing about pixels all day. ever wonder why?
>/p/: mft, ff dslr, canon mirrorless, 4x5, medium format (your photos look like gay shit)
>normal people: fuji x100, leica, disposable film camera, iphone (their photos are of cool people and places)

I got into M43 for the Panasonic 100-300 and Olympus 60 macro on a Panasonic G9 body. I have not been very impressed with any other lens I have tried. The Panasonic 14-140 and similar are interesting in an appliance sort of way. I do not doubt that Panaleica and Olympus PRO lenses are good but there is no advantage in size, weight and cost at that point. The other advantage to the system are $100 bargain bin lenses but I am not the target market for those.

>>4375008
>project this hard
what a loser lmao

If you say Jay Louis Irwin three times Hiro gives you a free g9ii

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got 2 make a couple funny maymays, enjoy!

captcha: drmpam DR!

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>>4375044
>>4375043
>t. bedsheets smell like dog

>>4375044
If only MFT had the per-photosite quality of fool frame.
Say what you want about muh reech and sensor area but I'll state a fact to deboonk any autistic arguments suggesting anything false.
16MP MFT should be about on par with 61MP foolframe, that's physics. Same photons per photosite there. What's the excuse for it not working that way?

Oh, right.
Because everything else is the problem.
The fact that the sensors in MFT cameras are worse is proof that it's not actually about sensor/pixel size at all and we've been getting lied to the whole time.

High end cinema cameras have more dynamic range shooting video than stills cameras have for stills and they almost always have smaller sensors.
It's all bullshit.

MFT just needs a GOOD sensor and it would rule everything but nobody's doing that because MFT is the toy camera form factor.
We need more pressure from smartphones to force MFT into getting good.

>>4374865
yes
In fact
0,1 more
Jokes aside, I haven't used that one but it checks the same boxes as my panaleica. small size and decently bright, I do prefer the slightly wider 15, makes fitting the mates in the frame a little bit easier.

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Post mft photos please and thank you

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>>4375099
here's a re`pst from some time ago

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>>4375082
Cinema cameras have far lower megapixel counts which is why the Arri Alexa has more dynamic range than full frame sensors do, at the expense of being something like an 8 megapixel camera.

>>4375008
Normal people don’t think about cameras at all. If they do, they buy Fuji Instax. Don’t pretend you’re normal or well adjusted, no one on this site is.

>>4375044
>>4375043
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex

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>>4375102
This is a nice bird thank you panafriend