Does it even matter what you say to a girl? I had two dates this summer out of 21 approaches. I seriously don't know what I did right with those two in terms of what I said. I pretty much just talked about random bullshit for a few minutes. With some other girls it seemed like maybe I should have talked for longer, but I talked for about the same amount of time as with the ones I got dates with. Both the girls I had dates with rejected me during the date though so the game isn't over just because you land a date.
>>476594500Just be confident and don't really give a fuck. Treat it like a simple hangout with some fuckable meat.
>>476594500You have to be one of two things: attractive (chad) or rich.Which are you?
>>476594500It is more about how you make them FEEL. You seem to understand outcome independence. I find women to all be big believers in the power of the Halloween costume.
>>476594500The West went to shit when we stopped arranged mariages. Men shouldn't waste their energy, brain and time to please a whore
Sometimes it seems to matter what I say, other times it doesn't.>some girls it seemed like they wanted to talk but I asked about a date too early, it was too big a step too early for them>women can be scared off by asking them too many personal questions, a good rule is to not ask ANY personal questions until she has asked you a personal question>it's better to talk about nonpersonal shit like the stuff you're looking at or whatever, or to talk about yourself>if a girl tells you her name, make a great effort to remember it, but try to not show that you're trying to memorize it, and if you forget it don't bring up the topic of her name>if a girl tells you something about herself, don't say something about yourself which makes you look inferior to her, for example if she says she runs a marathon, don't say oh I could never do that I struggle to run 2 kilometers, or if she says she plays 3 instruments, don't say I'm just now learning to play happy birthdayI think to some extent it matters what you say. But it's more a numbers game really. Whenever I had success with a girl it didn't seem to matter what I said, and when I didn't have success everything I said was wrong. But then again I've had times where for example a girl seemed interested, and then I went from talking about something we were looking at straight to "where are you from?" and they were instantly turned off and walked away. Every time a girl answers a personal question or says something personal about herself she is showing interest. Like if you say "I'm from here" a girl will not tell where she is from unless she's interested, she'll frown or turn her head away in silence etc until you say something else.I think maybe Roosh has the right idea, he says something like you talk about yourself, but you make vague statements, which prompt her to ask for the specifics by asking a personal question, and then you only ask her the same amount of personal questions that she has asked you.
>>476595863totally agree
>>476596458Roosh calls this "dropping bait". She might not bite the first time. But if you've dropped multiple pieces of bait and she never bites, ie asks for specifics, then you know she's not interested. Conversely I think it can happen that you don't drop any bait, ie vague statements about yourself, and then ask for a date, and then the interaction was too shallow so even a girl who's interested might reject the offer because it was too big a step too early for her. But other times I don't think I really dropped much bait and a girl still wanted a date, so I don't really know.
>>476594500Sven all you have to do is agree with them, ask questions about what they say and pretend to listen. Women aren't complicated. Just kids their asses a little and you'll be in.
>>476596821>ask questions about what they sayas I said, not personal questions, bombarding a girl with personal questions is a typical beginner mistake and it's common advice from guys who know nothing about talking to girls to "just ask them about themselves", no, they don't know shit
>>476594500
Another thing I do is I try to use the same words/phrases/pronunciation as the girl as a general rule, I mean I don't change the whole way I talk but for specific words I use this rule. I mean I get annoyed when people don't do this to me, so I assume girls get annoyed when you don't do it to them. If a girl says holiday, say holiday, don't say vacation, etc. Also girls can be a bit autistic sometimes, like they have bad game themselves, but just brush it off, take everything annoying as a shit test.
if you spent half your effort and time on thinking about what women want into building a hillfort women would flock to you>he doesn't have a keepimagine being a woman and having to deal with a guy who doesn't even have a fortified settlement
>>476597544What's the property tax on that?
Another thing I seem to have noticed is you want to be out as early as possible. Girls are much more open to talking to strangers before say 5 pm than after. And you want to get over your fear of onlookers. Girls need to feel safe, if they don't feel safe they don't feel attraction, it's like a ladder of psychological needs or whatever, the lower levels need to be checked off first, and they feel safe when there are lots of people around. A girl who wants to be approached will position herself in a spot where there are people, that way both feeling safe, and filtering out cowards who don't dare to approach in that scenario. This is my biggest challenge but I'm getting better at it. They are impressed when you approach them in a scenario where there are onlookers. Conversely they are very turned off if they see you hesitating, or stalking a little, waiting until the right moment etc.
>>476598043I recently saw a girl sitting alone on a bench in an empty park late in the evening. I didn't even bother to approach because my sensibilities told me this is too creepy. I also recently approached a girl in another park where everyone in the park was faced toward us, like there were probably 50 people looking at us, and she had a very positive response, but rejected me, I think because I asked for a date too early.
Can you make a chart in excel that lists the various phrases used and their respective efficacy?
>>476594500treat them as a friend you want to have kids with.
>>476594500Not really, when it comes down to these things logic doesn't really apply to women.I'm not reading all your rambling in the thread but yeah don't bother too much either they'll want you or not.
I don't bother approaching women who are walking with determined steps, at a moderate pace or faster. They need to be sitting down or standing still. I've tried stopping girls who are walking but the success rate is very low, it really only works if the girl is walking very slowly and aimlessly, stopping from time to time.
Dont try to game themSay hi.If they are interested they will say something real backk.It's that quick. It's that simple.
>>476598818"game" is just basic social skills that some of us never learned, it's just faggots who think game is some sort of magic tricks and manipulation, it's not, and no, hi is not a good opener, I've tried, but conversely being very indirect can make some girls wonder why you're talking to them, they might think you're a salesman or promoter of some kind, rather than someone who wants to talk to her to get a date
>>476597810flag it as a historic non-profit museum-hillfort reconstruction and apply for subsidies and the taxman will be paying you
>>476599024Like the bait thing is just how normal conversation works. That's how normies talk. Autist go on and on about themselves, without being prompted, normal people will drop small pieces of vague info to gauge whether the other person wants to talk about that, and if they do they let you know, and then you go deeper, if they don't you change topic by dropping another piece of vague information. People who write about "game" just spell these things out for us social retards who don't know these things intuitively. Like I watched a total sperg on youtube who filmed himself talking to girls. The girl said something about how meat was healthy or whatever, and the clueless guy went on a rant about how meat is unhealthy or whatever. He needed to have it spelled out to him that you never contradict a girl's opinion, just change the topic instead.
>>476594500You should mention your age and the age of the women you approach. Your advice may not be appropriate for balding 30-40 yo polcels
>>476594500bro, the outcome of dates is already decided before you say your first word. If she likes you, she will laugh even at your most cringiest jokes. Talking is more of a time filler, unless you start talking about anime or other dumb shit.
>>476599585What's your point? I'm 40. I mostly talk to young girls. Young girls are better, 25+ have a long list of criteria you need to check out for her to consider a date, even though they are less desirable, young girls don't.
>>476594500I dreamed of this cartoon the last night.
>>476595627> find women to all be big believers in the power of the Halloween costume.Explain please.
>>476599805It's a numbers game, but you can blow your chances with a girl who's interested for example by asking personal questions too early, or asking too many personal questions. Also as I said, the game isn't over just because you get a date. I got two dates this summer, both instant dates, approached them in the street and went right to having a drink. Both rejected me during the date, but both were clearly interested initially or otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to go on a date right then and there.
>>476594500Asian women are superior. WMAF is a thing for a reason (and is the type of relationship I am in).But you're just a retarded sports network, what do you know?
>>476600000checkedquit fornicating and desiring to fornicate you fornicators
>>476599827>I'm 40.Kek What's the girls' reactions to the age gap? Do you signal that you're rich, or some other positive signal that can compensate for age?
>>476600000MOST WASTED DIGITS I HAVE EVER WITNESSED
>>476600061not asking personal questions too early is a common social thing, you should never ask any person personal questions too early.
>>476596458Esuclating with a personal question first is a great way to build reportt.But they way you do it if they haven’t asked a personal question, is share something personal first.>>476594500Yes and no, women are all mood, all about the day you caught them. It is easier to say a wrong thing then a right thing, butThe absolutely best advice though is just to *keep talking*, which is the hardest thing in the world to higher iq dudes, who never blather,But with women just monologue them, I have seen on video where women give the shutdown/not interested signal and the guy just keeps going (passes shittest) and sometimes it just mind breaks them, and they super open up.Just keep talking, best about something interesting
>>476600096Asian girls are generally good, but generally not the Asian-American, Asian-Swedish etc, the ones fresh off the boat are generally good. One problem though is Asians who come to the West are often not very young, and are often the rich career type of woman or a student, or else they wouldn't go here, such women often have an inflated ego. I'm starting to get a bit tired of Asians really, I can see why some people think they have no soul, like their travel habits make me think they don't care about the places they go to, some seem to travel just to be able to tell others they went to x, y and z, like some spend more time taking selfies than looking at things, they often spend just one day in a city and go many places in a short time, and will tell you "they saw everything worth seeing", kind of like many Americans behave, it's just a bucket list, it's just for that checkmark, it's just for instagram, it's just for status, just for appearances, quite boring and soulless many of them.
>>476600251Not an argument, you have to meet a girl worth being with first, and to get there you have to get dates, I didn't say anything about fornication. We don't have arranged marriages, so that's the reality we're dealing with.
>>476600757My Hong Kong fiancée is the best girl I met in my life, is a devout Christian, is a virgin saving hers for marriage, is feminine, is redpilled, is extremely loyal to me, never lied to me once, she shares all of my values and is moral, she hates Leftism, hates the CCP, and hates Democrats, and she is also one of the best looking girls I have seen in my life.But since you're a sports network, stick to sports. Not women.
my gf of 4 years broke up with me 6 months agoIm 26She was actually not a whore but I dont know what went wrongIt is so stressful to think when I've moved on and am ready to date again I'll probably be 27-28 yo and the only women left for me are 26-30 yo roastie HPV queens that already got their heart broken for chad and are just settling.. sure I could date 20-24 yos but they usually have better options and I'm a 6/10 on a good day which means to women I'm a 4 lolBreakups in your 20s really suck because you lose whatever life you had planned with this person and it's just pure disappointment
>>476600363You're just brainwashed. 40 is nothing, girls like older guys, shit gets in the way in life and time goes fast, some of us are late bloomers but it's never too late, plus I look younger. I bulked up 11kg since last summer and it's showing in the results. For next summer I'll bulk again and I'll be a total hunk, it will be my time to shine. Bald and Bankrupt is about 50, but he isn't crippled by liberal brainwashing like you.
>>476599585I am 30 and still have full hair>>476599827Really don't understand why men go for older women. There are only downsides
>>476594500Not really. Virgin and Chad could say the exact same thing to a girl and Virgin would be "weird and creepy" while Chad would be "dark and mysterious". It's all genetics.
>>476601196>It is so stressful to think when I've moved on and am ready to date again I'll probably be 27-28 yo and the only women left for me are 26-30 yo roastie HPV queens that already got their heart broken for chad and are just settling.. sure I could date 20-24 yos but they usually have better options and I'm a 6/10 on a good day which means to women I'm a 4 lolWhy do you have so little to offer?
>>476600570yes, but as I said it's a very common mistake guys make when they start talking to girls, I've made it myself
>>476601237In theory I would agree but Western women are really hung up about age differences. It is not impossible but it is an uphill battle
>>476601237>Bald and BankruptHow old are the women he dates?
>>476594500Be a sigma.
>>476601324Because god made me ugly?But in all seriousness, I dont think I have little to offer, I'm not autistic, I have a good paying job, I've travelled etc.But I guess I do have very little since my ex for some reason or another decided to end things, I got no reason/closure from thatI've tried dating apps and the only girls I've matched with were 23 yos who never reply or 'big girls' in their late 20s (desperate) with stinky vaginas (at least the ones I fucked)I have been fucking this 20 yo for a while that I met in a bar, but again, she's a one night stand type of girl.. NOT wife material.I guess I'm just blackpilled since I'm still sad about the breakup.
>>476601878>But in all seriousness, I dont think I have little to offer, I'm not autistic, I have a good paying job, I've travelled etc.You yourself decide who you approach
>>476600655Learn to read, I didn't say that, you reciprocate personal questions only after she asks and no more than she does, I also said if you don't entice her to ask you personal questions the interaction can end up too shallow so she'll reject a date offer even though she liked what she saw and heard. And yes, with some girls I think the mistake I made was going for the date offer too early, and talking for 10-15 minutes rather than about 3 minutes might have done the trick, but other girls just 3 minutes of nonpersonal stuff was enough, not all girls are the same. A lot of times things just come naturally if you keep talking, as long as you keep in mind to not ask more personal questions than she does, and to focus on talking about yourself rather than her. You are presenting yourself to her, you are not assessing her, is the general mindset. But when she has already shown some interest light teasing/banter can be effective, but that's advanced stuff, and mostly for girls who think they're the shit.
>>476594500I had to go to principles office because i beat the bully because you were circumsized i still dont understand bravo cartoon network is fucked up
>>476600655I guess maybe I misinterpreted what you said, apologies, yes I agree with your statement but you really just repeated what I said
>>476601963Thanks for the amazing advice germanybro
>>476602249Apps suck, there is nobody worth talking to n there
>>476594500lmao you went speed dating? bro only 40+ age women go to these things
>>476602123> you reciprocate personal questions only after she asks and no more than she doesAnd I’m saying you are wrong.Didn’t you start this thread for advice? Fuck off child. Just listen to my post and get laid more. Trying to read a women for permission to escalate is beta energy
>>476601237>girls like older guysNot for their age per se unless the girl has some kind of mental impairment. Girls might like things that come with age like experience, money, status. If you're a rich, fit and confident 40 yo it's possible, if you're a 40 yo out of shape NEET who's shy in front of girls I wish you the best of luck.Of course being shy is a huge ick to girls no matter the age, but if you're <30 at least you don't run the risk of being seen as a creep
>>476601237Based
>>476601410Its all a facade many love it because its taboo
>>476602309Ah I didnt know what you meant for a sec.Yeah, I found that out myself..
>>476594500Stop caring about girls you fucking loser.
>>476601247>I am 30 and still have full hairAnd some 30 yo women haven't hit the wall yet. There's many exceptions to general statements
>>476600655>I have seen on video where women give the shutdown/not interested signal and the guy just keeps going (passes shittest) and sometimes it just mind breaks them, and they super open up.This is interesting though, might try that, I generally abort if I can tell a girl is lukewarm or cold, but then again I've had times where I regretted it and said to myself from now on I'll wait until a girl gives a clear rejection. Somewhat unrelated many girls will give a bunch of excuses why she can't go on a date and then give her whatsapp or tell you you can meet another day etc just to get rid of you, but maybe with such girls you should have talked for longer. Many girls show they're not interested by looking annoyed, conversation runs out again and again and she turns her head away in silence every time, you have to start it up again and again, they do nothing to help the flow. But someone said girls are often like a lawn mower, at first it's just you you you, pulling the cord over and over, it just isn't flowing, then boom the engine starts and there is a flow, might be something to that. I think I've made the mistake of aborting too early many times. So thanks for that piece of info.
>>476602475Apps give you the fastest access to women you should be avoiding in an area>>476602470It seems to depend on the country. I am in Greece, less of a problem here that it was in Germany.>>476602611Not many men are ugly at 30 due to age, they usually always were or did something to themselves
OP it sounds like you need to learn night game.
>>476602888Night game is dead, clubs are dead. Aside from that good luck finding quality women in clubs
>>476602968Your thinking about this all wrong. You don't need to step inside a bar or club. Just go to where the clubs and bars are at the end of the evening and hit on girls who are hanging around outside or on their way home. I've had a 50 percent success rate doing this and these drunk girls are enthusiastic as fuck.
>>476601196Nah you're just brainwashed. As I said 25+ actually have a bigger checklist in spite of being less attractive. The young ones are still playing, life is all fun and games to them, 25+ are becoming aware their time is running out so they can't be playing anymore. I had a date with an 18 year old a few years ago. Another 18 year old approached me at a club like a year ago. I don't go to bars and clubs anymore though, they suck. I didn't even drink at all for half a year, only drank twice after that, both times were on these two dates I had, kind of regret it because I prefer never to drink. One girl recently said she doesn't drink when I asked to have a drink, that's good, maybe that's why she rejected me but I doubt it, I think it's because I didn't talk long enough.
>>476603142>drunk girlsNot what I am looking for
>>476601306I bulked up 11kg and it seems more girls have a positive response, so self-improvement helps
>>476597810Come and take it.
>>476602416No, I know from experience that I'm right. It's what Roosh says in Day Bang and I've found from trial and error that he's right.
>>476603224Well then good luck getting laid then faggot.
>>476603151It just does not appear to be a good idea to have a relationship with anyone one the base that they must sell now.>>476603365I am looking for a ltr and am presentable in day light conditions.
>>476602416I made this thread for advice and discussion, and to give advice
>>476603431You won't be able to keep a girl if you don't have the experience to satisfy her. Missing out on night game is a big mistake Hans.
>>476603598I don't want random slags, I am a guy with a high income. People like that aren't even my choice if I need a shoe polish. I did not go all these years to university to fuck slags.
>>476603598bars and clubs suck ass, you can keep it, enjoy your std ridden sluts with overgrown ego, I like the shy type of girls who never step foot in such low vibration places
>>476603762This but where to find them?
>>476603707Lool. No one cares about your money Hans, if you're a total fucking bore. I don't think you're gonna make it.>>476603762You might have a preference but you might not have a choice. I mean realistically you might not be able to get what you actually want.
>>476603962>Lool. No one cares about your money Hans, if you're a total fucking bore. I don't think you're gonna make it.You are British, I have not seen one British women I would want so you cannot make it by default.
Bunch of coalburners
>>476603899street, parks, and any places such girls go such as museums or whatever
>>476604024I live in London. There aren't any British people here lamo. You can get all defensive like this or you can try to have an accurate understanding of your reality. Of you haven't met a nice girl after all these years. What on earth makes you think that it'll happen now?
>>476604172Yeah various shades of brown, great. The fact that I changed the location, Germany is hell for dating just like Bongland because women in Germany are mad ugly.
>>476595415That's bullshit.You only need those if you have zero personality.Don't be boring and suddenly you'll have women around.They're like children, just keep them entertained and make them laugh.
Also I only focused on my education
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