Ladies and gentleman, we have found the ultimate NPC test.Well? Would you press the blue button? Or the red button?
>>533892310Try it out in real life with some real stakes. Make this mechanism in an online video gaym. Everyone who presses the red button gets a big prize. People who press the blue button only gets the prize if most people press the blue button.See how many blue button fags there really are when the stakes is something people actually care about, no matter how small, and it's not just about virtue signaling on pleddit.Protip: 99% of players would press the red button, if you don't think they would, you're a fucking moron.
Why waste our time with subconscious influencing? Just cancel the midterms.
The only reason to press blue is from a moralist naive retard perspective. Here's my proof:Game theory perspective: pressing red is a 0% chance of dying, pressing blue is a nonzero chance of dying.Sociological perspective: most people will press red out of the bat if we consider the average human being. So pressing blue is just hoping for the extremely minuscule chance the average human somehow magically changes their behavior.Realist perspective: this kinda depends on how present the threat is. Bluetards believe the death is not "that real" and won't be painful. If every person making the choice stood in front of a gun, or under a guillotine, or was strapped to an electric chair, the vast majority of blue pressers would also change their mind and press red.
what is this retard maxing?if everyone just presses red then everyone survives
>>533892310Not giving you twitter traffic.sgiaf
>>533892310If you press red you would feel hungry.If you press blue you did have breakfast today.
>>533892310since the time this thread was started 6000 human beings starved to deathby participating in this thread you are pressing the red button
>>533892310Hey So basically I'm just gonna push the red buttonI Know..... UGH I know... It's just that I'm gonna push it is all HAHAHAHAHRHAHAHA HARAHARHARH
>>533892808This. Every bluefag could have killed themselves and had their family send the food they would have consumed to starving niggers in Africa. By not killing themselves, every first world pledditor bluepresser is actively killing at least 5 starving niglets.
>>533892778*chirp*
>>533892310What a dumb question. Just press the red button. If the blue wins you survive and if the red wins you still survive. It's not a prisoner's dilemma if there is a literal correct choice qith zero downsides or risk because everyone could press the red button and survive.
>>533892425It is a different question if it is a prize instead of death. There is no moral quandary if it is just a prize. It just becomes a do you want a prize or not?
Red is the correct choice.>b-but muh toddlers and tards who don't understand the questionIn a real life or death situation people will choose survival. I would rather live than commit suicide with some kids and tards.
>>533892310I would press the button that nukes bejingandswitzerland
Let's make a poll for 4chan https://strawpoll.com/XOgOV0W8Gn3https://strawpoll.com/XOgOV0W8Gn3https://strawpoll.com/XOgOV0W8Gn3
>>533892310The main problem that separates the midwits from the high IQ, is that the 50% thing is pointless. If the choice was just a simple “press red live, press blue die” choice with no caveats, most people would press red and only suicidal or truly retarded people would press blue. That’s still the core premise, but the “50%” clause adds a moral sounding element that suggest red pressers are now responsible for not joining bluefags in their suicide pact and trying to “save” everyone. But they only need saving because they pressed blue in the first place. If I press blue, I’m now subjecting myself to the same risk of death and adding to the requirement that other people feel obligated to press blue just to save me. In fact, effectively the very first person to press blue obligated 4 billion people to risk their lives to save him, for no reason. I refuse to be that retarded, so I pick red.
>>533892953>There is no moral quandary if it is just a prize. It just becomes a do you want a prize or not?There's no moral quandary there if the prize is your life either. It just becomes a do you want to live or not.
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>>533892953Yes you have to first demand money from everyone, then distribute it to the winners
>>533892953the prize is your continued existence. there is no difference. bluefags are retarded and suicidal
>>533892971Based.>>533892973Good point, it's almost like a way for blueNPC's to absolve themselves of all responsibility and demand that you shoulder their burden, a form of moral parasitism.You could write 10 books about all the different ways this question exposes the NPC's hypocrisy, his absolute disdain for any kind of reality, truth or common sense.But all you have to do is ask him this one simple question and he will reveal his form to you.
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>>533892966>b-but muh toddlers and tardsanon, that's literally all women. pressing red ensures we all go extinct.
>>533892985No it becomes a trolley problem. The problem with red pushers is that they don't see their actions as a consequence to anyone else. It is a gibs mentality. I press it, I live. What happens to others doesn't matter. >>533892808>>533892891Completely retarded. Giving stuff to people and not pressing the murder button are 2 different things. >>533893245No there is a difference. If you press the red button you could be responsible for ending someones life, it is a moral question when you bring in those stakes.
>>533893374>you could be responsible for ending someones lifeNo, I'm not. They decided to sudoku by pressing blue.
>>533893321>that's literally all women
>>533892953heh
>>533893374then if you press the red prize button you would be responsible for someone else not getting a prize. the only difference is the severity of consequences.the obvious choice is to press the positive result button and let the ones who pressed the negative result button deal with the consequences of their actions.
>>533893417You killed them by pressing red. You just assume everyone will press red. I assume everyone will press blue.
>>533893374Nah, if you don't want to die you're free to not push the blue suicide button.
This question becomes a lot more interesting when you change it so that you and the 2 people you care most about are subject to this game alone. I'm still pressing red, but the mindgames are a lot more interesting now.
>>533892310The fact you made a general says enough. You essentially want to superimpose (you)r answer and have the sentiment spread through popular consensus. I'll admit, this is a good one, maybe your boss will give you a raise.
>>533892310so why wouldn't everyone just press the red button. if you're stupid enough to press the blue button you deserve to die.is there more to this? or are twitter fags just that retarded?
>>533893493The two people I care most about aren't retard pledditor vaxfaggots, so they'd both press red too.
>>533893482Nah, they killed themselves by pressing blue. You're the one assuming everyone is retarded like you.
>>533893520twitter fags and several threads full of retards on this shithole as well. unrionic moralfagging on /pol/ about how you need to kill yourself to save retards. LOL.
>>533893466>the only difference is the severity of consequences.That is a big difference. I can live knowing someone didn't get a fortnite skin. >>533893485>>533893536You are free not to press the murder button. I just need to be 51% right. You need to be 100% right or else you killed someone. >>533893527There couldn't be a a better example of a red button than getting the vax. Blue button is herd immunity.
>Press the blue button if you want a high chance at dying just to maintain status quo>Press the red button if you want a 100% chance to live (and to have a high chance at living in a world with a few hundred million retards less)Where is the dilemma?
>>533893321How? If you press red, even if 100% of everyone else presses blue you still survive. The question is literally a self awareness test. Pressing blue just means you want to gamble with your life instead of just telling everyone to press red and survive either way.
>>533893624>You are free not to press the murder button. I just need to be 51% right. You need to be 100% right or else you killed someone.Nah, I'm not killing anyone. Whoever forced people into pushing buttons are killing them. I just push the button that says I want to live. You push the button that says you want to gamble your life for virtue signaling (not that you'd actually press the blue button if your life actually depended on it, you'd press the red one too.)
>>533893624>You are free not to press the murder button. I just need to be 51% right. You need to be 100% right or else you killed someone.You are not responsible for the decisions of others. If you press blue you literally are vaxcattle
>>533893624cool. so you can admit that the person didnt get a fortnite skin of their own volition?
>>533893658There's no dilemma. It's basically just a suicide button for virtue signaling vaxfaggots.
>>533893624>I just need to be 51% right.I need 0% + 1 to survive. You need 51% to survive. Retards btfo
>>533893750>a suicide button for virtue signaling vaxfaggotsexactly this. bluefags are a disease
>>533893515No I don't actually, I want bluescum to become more entrenched and rigid in their illogical immoral virtue signalling, then all you have to do is ask them this simple question to see if they're an NPC in 10 seconds, i'm tired of wasting time on seeing who's an NPC and this is much easier.In fact it would be good to design new even more confusing simple questions to test if someone is an NPC, but this is a good one.I'm sure many of my fellow player characters would like a quick simple NPC test, so we can not waste time talking about Epstein to stupid cattle who couldnt give a fuck if everyone is raped.
>>533893750Well exactly, so why are there two threads and so much engagement over a fucking gigaidiot tier question. Must be a boring week on normienet
red buttoners literally do not care if blue buttoners die and still try to claim the moral high ground
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>>533893787Yes, the war in Iran is on pause, so everyone is bored out of their minds.
>>533893781You're showing your hand elginigger
*presses the blue button*Sorry guys, I just care too much about you guys heheh
>>533893806>red buttoners literally do not care if blue buttoners dieThat's true. Why should I care if people want to kill themselves? They obviously don't appreciate life who am I to stop them?
>>533892595If everyone would just press blue then everyone would survive
>>533893806Consider it MAID. There. We liberals now.
>>533893314I’m convinced it really is one of the best representations of modern feminine style thinking. It’s the perfect encapsulation of performative, theatrical morality that solely exists to subvert conventional wisdom and rationality in favour of purely contrived, self serving appeals to being “good”. It’s the same thing that drives women to allow foreigners to flood our countries, to elevate female “empowerment” over fertility and basic civic responsibility, to constantly protect violent savage niggers and other dregs, etc. It’s all the same soft handed moralistic framing that sounds emotionally appealing to midwits and seems hard to argue against without getting Kafka trapped and “proving” you’re actually some callous sociopath. When in reality you’re just a functioning human who doesn’t want to throw your life away like those spastics in that retarded Happening movie.
>>533892310>private vote >you may die based on your voteThey're already lying, the red voters will be murdered while they smugly call everyone else a retard.
>>533893667There were less than 100k votes on this. Even if all of them had pressed Red, the other 8 billion people who never got to press any button would've perished.
>>533893806yes, the low IQ need to be culled for ruining society and nature.
>>533893832>dies saving no one and accomplishing nothingheh... im just too empathetic for you chuds.
>>533892310Red button guarantees survival. It's a no-brainer.
>>533893830So, which button would you press? Think carefully and try not to short circuit.
Button test 2.0The blue button saves everyone if 50% press it and kills all blues if less than 50% press it.The red button guarantees survival unless a green or yellow condition is reached.The green button counts towards the blue total and kills all reds if a blue win condition is reached, but if the green button total exceeds the blue button total all the greens die and the reds survive.The yellow button counts as a blue press, and if it's over 10% and blue wins all the green and reds die, but if yellow is over 20% all yellows and blues die.The orange button ensures your survival regardless of other buttons but will enact the button test again next year if orange button is over 20% and the next test your button will be randomly assigned.The white button kills you but saves 10 other random people who would otherwise die, unless a blue button success condition is reached in which case you survive.The purple button counts towards red and will let you survive a red, green or yellow success, but if there isn't a red, yellow or green win state you die.The pink button turns you into a girl and counts as a blue press, but if green doesn't achieve a success condition you get leprosy The black button kills you and 50 jews immediatly and adds +1 press to every color button.The silver button counts towards red but puts you in blue button bracket. If blue wins you get $5000 in silver.The gold button counts towards green but puts you in red bracket, and gives you $5000 in gold if red wins.The clear button counts towards nothing and removes you from the button game, but has a 50% chance of killing you if you press it.
>>533893374>What happens to others doesn't matterIt's not our fault AND we couldn't do anything to prevent it.
>>533893870And yet, alone in that button box and faced with the choice, every woman especially would press the red button. They would say publicly they'd press the blue retard button, and of course they'd press the retard button when it doesn't matter on pleddit. But in real life they'd press the red button, 100% of women would do that. Only a tiny minority of extra mentally ill pleddit simp vaxfaggots would press the blue button and die. Which would be a good thing.
>>533893912Is caring about Epstein a left/right issue or is it a national security issue, nigger?
>>533892953Red=you get 1$ right nowBlue=you get 1$ right now if 51% of people pick blueWho's gonna choose what?
>>533893806correct i literally dont care im pressing redpressing blue is suicidal
>>533893992It's not left right it's the Epstein class vs everyone else.Now answer the question NPC, red or blue?
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>>533893850Right. No one can ever explain why anyone would even press blue in the first place. The only reason I can think of is because they believed someone else would press blue as well. It’s just a recursive logic where they’re only pressing blue because they think someone else pressed blue, but no one actually had a reason to press it at all. Red on the other hand has a simple logical reason to press it; because it guarantees that you live. This is one instance where thinking purely as an individual actually benefits the collective, because if everyone acts in rational self interest and chooses red, everyone lives and the collective persists. But if people start pressing blue they’re now banking on billions of other people also having the same lack of basic self preservation instincts and logic, hoping their willingness to sacrifice half the planet pays off for no reason other than contrived moral virtue signalling. It’s an insidious form of moral hostage taking where someone who just wants to live so they can see their kid graduate school now has to weigh some false moral dilemma against whether they risk that to “save” some retarded leftoid woman who put herself in her own predicament for no reason.
>>533892310I have my own npc tests that show consistently how 75~85% of people are npcs, this button shit doesn’t get the same results. I suspect the problem lies in some npcs choosing randomly after determining it doesn’t really matter.
>>533893962Well, here is an actual dilemma at least. I'd gamble on the orange button I think.
>>533893806why should I care about the retard who pressed the>probably die buttoninstead of the>nothing happensbuttonendangering there own life for no reason because 100% of people are allowed to press the red button.
>>533893962I will convert to Islam, press the black button and will wake up with 72 virgins surrounding me
>>533894066Red because whites would go extinct and become muttified beyond repair, who wouldn't want to try be among the last whites fighting for survival while raping and pillaging every woman I see in an attempt to bleach the browns?
>>533894098>Right. No one can ever explain why anyone would even press blue in the first place. The only reason I can think of is because they believed someone else would press blue as well. It’s just a recursive logic where they’re only pressing blue because they think someone else pressed blue, but no one actually had a reason to press it at all.Yes. Just like taking the experimental vax.
>>533893740That person would be risking not getting a fortnite skin in order for everyone to get one. If you want to be selfish to ensure you get the skin than you can do that without feeling too bad as it isn't a severe consequence. You aren't killing anyone. >>533893700>>533893732If you see someone on a bridge about to jump to their death do you try to stop them and put yourself at risk or let them fall?>>533893762Alright enjoy the earth of your own making. I assume a lot of /pol/tards are doompreppers. I don't bother. if earth is fucked up enough to require that then I don't want to see it. The blue/red question for me is not about what do I pick but what does the world pick. Do they pick the selfish thing or not? >>533893969Sure you can. You can press the blue button.
>>533894105What's your test?
>>533892921The downside to pressing red is that the people who pressed blue would die.>>533893806The red buttoners are working from the premise that people who pressed blue don't deserve to live.>>533893520Or maybe we press blue because we want to save the other people who pressed blue?People make mistakes. That doesn't mean they deserve to die.
>>533894184>If you see someone on a bridge about to jump to their death do you try to stop them and put yourself at risk or let them fall?Of course I'd stop them. Just the same as I'd tell them to press the red button, you fucking idiot.
>>533894184>If you see someone on a bridge about to jump to their death do you try to stop them and put yourself at risk or let them fall?I'd certainly try to talk them out of it if I came across that. Wouldn't try to get up on the ledge to physically stop them though, not only do I not want to risk my life to prevent some retard from doing something retarded, but it's also pretty impolite to think I should decide what is ultimately right and wrong for that retard to the degree I use physical violence to enforce my will on him.
>>533894184This whole “selfish” framing is such moralistic faggotry and performative guilt based narcissism. People who press red probably have actual things to live for; kids to take care of, commitments to make, societies to rebuild. They don’t have the luxury of martyring themselves for virtue points like worthless fags. Were told suicide is the cowards way out, I guess until some cultish horde of leftoids decides to advocate it.
>>533894021>You're LITERALLY STEALING FROM ME if you don't choose blue
>>533894243>The downside to pressing red is that the people who pressed blue would die.Fine by me, they're morons anyways.
>>533893850This ends up being the moral question. The only reason to pick blue, is to try save save those stupid enough to press blue.
>>533893879You're making assumptions. The question is aimed at a population, not the population. This is a poor esl's misrepresentation of the prisoner's dilemma where they fucked up and removed the dilemma. It needs to be neutral vs self serving. It should be press Blue for nothing to happen and then a wholly lopsided self serving option where pressing red becomes "if even 1 person presses red than everyone who pressed it gets a cookie and blue team gets kicked in the dick. As written it is "press blue to survive if you win and die if you lose" vs "press red to live". It isn't self serving because nobody is forced to select blue and the singular prize is the exact same no matter who wins but only one can possibly lose anything. This is an IQ test to see if you can read and ynderstand whatbis axtually being read and asked or if you're going to make a bunch of assumptions to justify making the incorrect choice and mask it as virtue.
>>533894289Red pressers would kill their family for pressing the wrong color button. It's psychopath behavior.
>>533894334No one in my family is retarded enough to press a suicide button. I am 100% confident in everyone I care about in this world pressing the red button.
>>533894184there have been like 10 threads of 500+ replies filled with reds trying to convince blues to not jump off the bridge ahahahaahaa are you retarded
>>533892891>>533892808see >>533892652
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>>533892310would have to do some weird mental gymnastics to convince yourself to push blue instead of red
>>533894309Right. If people believe in pressing blue to save blue tards shouldn’t we also advocate diving in front of nigger knives and guns to save the women who voted to bring them in, and decided to hang out with them? Like this scenario isn’t just a general “risk your life to save an innocent person who had something bad happen to them” heroic. It’s being guilt tripped into saving pathologically self destructive freaks from their own twisted desire to appear virtuous even if it kills them and drags countless others down with them. Purging blueoids would be one of the best things to happen to the entire planet.
>>533894357Blue won the poll.
>>533894207I have several, like which combination of pokemon editions they bought. The most generalistic one that still reflects the 75~85 percentage is when i go to personality database to check someone and most of the time a trend appears where 75~85% of people have voted for the wrong personality and the correct one ranks second.
>>533894334>Red pressers would kill their family for pressing the wrong color buttonthat's like arguing you killed your family by voting Zelenskjy doe
>>533894441My family aren't retarded pledditor enjoyers, though. They didn't get the vax either. They'd all press the red button.
>>533894243That isn't a downside, them choosing the "I will die if I don't win the vote" button vs the "I will live button" isn't a dilemma. The dilemma requires the votes to be lopsided and neutral vs self serving, if the outcome is prize (self serving) vs prize or death (self serving and stupid) it's a reading comprehension test.
>>533893374midwit. the trolley problem allows you to not pull the lever, which is why deontologists argue you shouldn't choose as either choice makes you responsible for at least one death. in red/blue you are not given the choice, you are the one injecting the premise that reds want to kill where it's the blues who are gambling with other blue lives.
>>533894427Red pressers are recklessly endangering others to save their own lives.In order for everyone to live, blue button only requires 50% cooperation. Red requires 100% cooperation for everyone to live but red pressers don't care.
>>533894441Yeah online twitteroids voted blue with zero consequences. There’s 0% chance a majority of the entire world votes blue in a real scenario. Most liberal women won’t even risk a 9 month pregnancy to create life and sustain our entire civilization, you think they’re going to risk their lives to save some autistic neckbeard simp who chose blue for no reason? Get real, fag.
>>533893879The question specifically states that everyone has to vote. The votes now are just a simulation, where there is nothing enforcing the reader to do it, and of course only an insignificant amout of humanity even saw it.
>>533892973Also, by openly announcing you pressed red, you motivate others to also press red for themselves. Game theory in this case gives you the win by removing the uncertainty from the choice the other has to make.
>>533894174Whites would go extinct if they didnt commit mass suicide? Oh bluey, i can hear your alarm beep from here.
>>533894243>Or maybe we press blue because we want to save the other people who pressed blue?Save the other blues who could've saved themselves by choosing red. Not fine saving yourself but are ok saving yourself is the majority says sothis is deep whether you see it or not
>>533894534>but red pressers don't careCorrect. Get fucked, suicidal bluefag.
>>533894444Lol, checked.
>>533894534red risks nothing, blue risks everything
>>533892310>press red to survive 100%How is this a choice.
>>533892953There's no moral quandary either way... it's just a trick question. You always press red and so does everybody else, end of story
>>533894545You know full well white women are retarded enough to majority pick blue
>>533894589If red wins, everyone who pressed blue dies.If blue wins, nobody dies.
>>533894357Lucky you. I have retarded family that would probably press blue. I'm still pressing red if the pool of participants is in the billions.
>>533894628Don't press blue then, retard.
I bet if they said it was a green button instead of a red button, red would win the poll.
>>533894599Even if some people press blue, that’s no different than real people killing themselves or getting killed in a reckless accident. There’s no hypothetical scenario in which I’m held morally accountable for not risking my life to save a random stranger from their own bad decisions. If that was the case you could easily reverse it and say the dummy should sacrifice themselves to not burden the rest of us. Funny how “morality” is always a one way street, from people with brains to people without.
As a vegan the red button is the moral and ethical choice. Death to omnivores.
>>533892971This is the fate that awaits all bluetards btw Killed yourself for nothing award
>>533894589>red risks nothingIt risks making you a murderer.
>>533894628maybe losing everyone who pressed the button that risks everything to gain nothing isn't such a lossit should be a weekly event tbqh, good way to cull the human race a bit
>>533893317Kek this is epic
>>533894686Nah, whoever is forcing people to push buttons is the murderer.
>>533894686The red button is not responsible for the deaths, the question simply isn't phrased that way. It is also heavily implied that if you refuse to vote, you also die.
>>533894599There is though. Red pressers (or at least a subset of them), are burdened with an awareness that some people will.press the suicide button. Would you risk your life to save a retard?
>>533894735>”you can press red and live or blue and might die”>”I pressed blue now you all have to press blue too or you’re an evil murderer!”I really hate leftoid faggots, holy.
>>533894686are you a suicide hotline operator? do you give all of your money to charities that aim to prevent suicide? not preventing others from killing themselves is not murder. and if it were, the best way to prevent suicides in this scenario would be to advocate that everyone presses red.
>>533893851With no communication and no guarantee? Red button.>>533894184>privatelyI can't be there to scream at them to press red, so this doesn't work.
>>533894686You're not a murderer everytime someone ignores the "don't drive drunk" sign and goes over a cliff
>>533894774Wouldn't burden me for a second.
>>533894679It's not even a moral question at all, it's just a trick of how the question is worded.Consider it with a couple of words changed.>Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a Live button or a Kill button. If less than 50% of people press the Kill button, then it kills everyone who pressed it. But if more than 50% of people press the Kill button, nobody dies. Which button would you press?The fact that anyone is seriously debating this is more sad than funny. It's lower than a fucking "you should be able to solve this" 4chan math bait post
>>533892310RedWhy is it even a question?
Bro all these replies from murderers wow I'm popular. Anyway, don't make up retarded scenarios. There is no one killing themselves. There is no one suicidal. You choose whether you want others to die or not. That is the button. Don't make it into something else.
>>533894831It’s a problem because people fundamentally understand the sheeplike and retarded mindset of humans. The polls reflect that so online virtue signallers meta game, making the polls reflect blue, giving them false credibility as enlightened moralfags who were right. But all it really proves is apparently a majority of online poll respondents are fucking retards.
>>533894831yep. this, the poison variant, and the woodchipper variant all prove that blues are suicidal and completely lack critical thinking
>>533894243>female brained retard, sucking the dick of a nonexistent group on a board where everyone thinks hes a fag How are you this stupid and this pathetic at once
>>533894534can you explain how reds are actively responsible for blues death? how are red trying to KILL blues? why does blue say red is trying to kill them or have some moral flaw?like seriously, from a theory of mind standpoint I actually struggle to understand blues reasoning here.
>>533894785I am not saying you have to press blue. You can press red all you want. But don't try and pretend like that doesn't make you a killer. Before the eyes of God, you had two options: kill or not killI think you can remember the commandments.
>>533894912If you don't get the vax you're killing grandma.
Ooh you're all the old anti sign tapping brigade, now I recognize you
>>533894863>bluefag has to plug his ears and go lalalalala i cant hear you because he has NO logical retorthehe
>>533894912The best I can come up with is they apparently feel morally obligated to press blue because of the statistically likelihood that at least some retards will press blue due to retardation or misunderstanding. Problem is this logic doesn’t stand up to basic real world scrutiny; people get themselves killed through stupidity all the time and aside from the odd emergency responder or Good Samaritan, no one feels obligated in any way to interfere or risk their lives to save them.
This is the most retarded question. Can anyone explain why im supposed to press the blue button? It's not a morale dillema, there's no consequence. I either risk death or don't. Where is the dillema? There is no consequence other than killing retards who made the wrong choice?
>>533894893That's because it's a twitter poll. In a real life or death situation everyone is pressing the Please Let Me And My Entire Family Live button and begging all their loved ones to press it too, instead of the Kill Me For No Reason button. In that case the sheeplike tendencies of humanity actually benefit it as everyone herds into pressing red.
>>533894686It risks nothing in a vacuum, but if this situation actually happened there would be people that reds care about stupid enough to press blue. Without knowing the circumstances of the vote there's no way to know if convincing those people would be possible. Redtards are blind to nuance, bluekeks are suicidally altruistic. The question in general is fucking retarded.
>>533894936I'm pretty sure if there is a God he's not a fucking retard, so I think God would side with me and agree it's whoever is forcing people to push buttons who are killing people, not me.
>>533894788Advocating would unironically be the worst possible scenario. For evey guy trying to convince people to make the logical choice you'd have 10 women virtue signalling and appealing to emotion for people to press blue to save le hecking people. Then politicsl lines would be drawn (it's no accident the buttons are red and blue instead of any other color combination) and culture/gender war nonsense gets involved and women would be tik toking on how red pushers give them the ick. If it's an anonymous vote you'd avoid herd behavior and can be at least somewhat certain that most people would vote in their self interest
>>533895003No, that's it.
>>533894936You’re saying exactly what I said. You’re trying to hold me responsible for your own retarded choice. Me pressing red doesn’t force you to press blue. You could have been smart and pressed red, too. I refuse to be held endlessly accountable for the refuse of this pathetic culture; endlessly burdened with having to exclusively make all the sacrifices and all the right decisions to compensate for the unyielding and uncompromising retardation of the mindless hordes of faggots. Please by all means press blue and rid me of your faggotry.
>>533895019But on the other hand... in that scenario... I have to say all the right people as far as I'm concerned would be blue pushers.
>>533894912>>533894936The red are murderers argument only works if the problem has a twist:>each red press kills a random blue voter >blue press kills nobody and if >50% press blue nobody dies>refusing to vote means deathNow at least you can claim that red pressers are responsible for killing people, but it's still a big deviation from the original non issue problem. (I'd still press red btw)
>>533895018If someone put a gun to your head and tells you to shoot a child otherwise he will kill you, I am pretty sure it still counts as murder if you do kill the child, little bro.Except in this scenario, you wouldn't even get killed. Everyone would live, because people are good.
>>533895019i dont see how the culling of retarded liberal women and their cucks is a bad thing
I prefer my Variant. >you have a math equation in front kf you to solve. 14 + (9 x 7). You write your answer in a small piece of paper. If you get the answer right you survive, and id you get it wrong you die. However, if more than 50% of the population gets it wrong, everyone lives, and nobody dies. What answer do you give?
>>533894684>Killed yourself for nothing awardKill yourself for nothing adjacent:mass immigrationdying for israelletting women votevaxxed
>>533894571>>533894589>>533894598>>533894599>>533894642>>533894651>>533894679>>533894682>>533894684>>533894854Red pushers die.You must have missed the lie baked into the premise.PRIVATE VOTE, it's not private if your identity is tied to the vote.
>>533895080>If someone put a gun to your head and tells you to shoot a child otherwise he will kill you, I am pretty sure it still counts as murder if you do kill the child, little bro.Nope. That's retarded too. It's obviously the guy with the gun to my head who is the murderer.
It's honestly terrifying that people think the right answer is red.Avoiding mass death requires:50% pressing blue100% pressing redThe first scenario is obviously WAY easier to accomplish than the second.
>>533895119In the eyes of the law? Maybe. In the eyes of God? Definitely not. You hold the gun. You have the options.
>>533892310I'll just press blueMy heart is more important than my life
>>533895145>n the eyes of God? Definitely not.Who are you (some obvious retard) to decide what God thinks or don't think? I believe God is rational and reasonable, so I don't believe for a second he'd designate me as a murderer in your gay pleddit scenario.
>>533894532Yeah, Chesterton solved the trolley problem already.Don't fucking interfere in things you don't fully understand.
>>533895099That's a dumb varient because most people would get it wrong so everyone lives by default
>>533895019we're all obviously pressing blue, specifically because we don't want to kill off all the women, because that will cause our extinction in one generation.redfags are all autistic retards with no understanding of human nature, who can't perceive the question as anything more than a sudoku puzzle.in other words, npcs.
>>533895137That assumes we care about avoiding “mass death”. I don’t care about people stupid enough to pick blue. If they die, they’re just culling their stupidity from the world. If someone was forced to pick blue then I’d rethink things. But as it stands, only retards pick blue so if they die it’s just less retards in the world.
>>533894949sure but the fact that they are ascribing you an intention to actively murder is firstly a false equivalence and secondly it makes a moral judgement that there is no basis for. like you said above, it's the psycho who forced people to push buttons who is responsible, yet blues say its the reds and I can't understand how you could claim reds are actively, intentionally murdering? where does this reasoning come from? it seems like a "but I had breakfast this morning" which to us seems like a void in someones mind where we have instant access to hypotheticalsI'm stumped fellow norgay anon
Everyone is morbidly obese on board a trolley that cannot move due to the weight. If more than half of the passengers stay on board the trolley, everyone survives. If more than half of the passengers get off to go to fat camp, the trolley can move again and shoots right off a cliff, killing everyone on board.Do you get off the trolley?
>>533895187"Thou shalt not murder," for the murderer slays the image of God.And self-sacrifice is a pretty big fucking deal in the Bible. Maybe you should read it sometimes.
>>533892310Red button all day, every day. Fuck every one of you
Pressing red requires you to condemn a non-trivial percentage of the human species to certain death.Pressing blue means you believe that humans fundamentally deserve to live, even the ones who made a mistake.
>>533894831>>533894899Yep. It's all framing. Consider this.>You must vote to pass a law which will kill anyone who voted not to pass it. How do you vote?>You choose between 2 pills. 1 is a sugar pill and another contains a slow acting poison. If more than half the people choose poison, they will be given an antidote and all will survive with no side effects.Both are the exact same scenario. A guaranteed survival condition where some unknown number of idiots will die, and a condition that can save said idiots from themselves but risks your own life. Yet simply changing how it's presented changes how people will act. In the first example the majority would vote not to pass it, in the second the majority pick the sugar pill. This button scenario is the closest to a non-biased version, though it does lean slightly in blue buttons favor because of how it's structured, the fact that it's an online poll instead of an actual choice with consequences, and how the obvious correct choice is red, the mean color, along with blue vs red triggering democrat tribalism thanks to our current hyperpolitical climate.
>>533895234Prove God actually said that. I don't accept jewish middle men telling me what God thinks, sorry.
>>53389520257.8% of people pressed blue
>>533895208>specifically because we don't want to kill off all the women, because that will cause our extinction in one generation.literally not my problem, they wouldn't fuck me anyway
>>533893317MORE
>>533895253>Pressing blue means you believe that humans fundamentally deserve to live, even the ones who made a mistake.i don't believe this. Nuke India. Wait, are you considering them human in this case?
>>533894936>god wants you to risk dying for people who either cant read or are mentally disabled Christcucks are so based bros
>>533895284Exactly my point.
>>533895208You’re the biggest retard of all if you think women, who won’t sacrifice five seconds of personal convenience and luxury for anything, will genuinely risk their lives to save a bunch of random strangers. The only people who would actually die are extremely retarded white men. Women would lie for social credit points and press red secretly, non-whites would press red due to basic survival instincts and limited philosophical prowess, and high IQ whites would press red because they don’t want to pointlessly die and leave behind their families and civilizations. So that really just leaves you, faggot.
>>533892310Whats the downside of pressing red?Whats the downside of pressing blue?Pure darwinism
>>533895224>if you don't get the vax you're killing people who got the vax>if you don't eat the bugs you are killing the planet because of cow farts>if you don't let your kids troon out you are killing them from troonery deprivationDon't try to make sense of it. Just realize that a large percentage of normalfags are at this point BATSHIT INSANE. Just ignore it and pray to the Gods that someone creates a red and blue button so those tards can press the blue one and leave it at that.
>>533895352What is more important? Your life on this Earth, or the eternal life that comes after?
>>533895118Actually I get to live
>>533895208>lets save all the women who are on birth control and have killed a billion unborn babies since the 70s.Anon we're going extinct anyway, saving women won't save us. In fact, the disappearance of a majority of women might push men to develop a way to have babies without women, rather than wasting their time trying to convince women to not kill their own children for the next cenutry or so
>>533893317Fucking checkmate, nice. Red chads cant stop winning.
>>533895137You're just being tricked by the framing of the question.There is a bridge outside your town. If someone jumps off the bridge they will die. But if half the people in your city all go to jump off the bridge at once, the authorities will arrive to shut the bridge down so nobody can jump. Do you go jump off a bridge? Or on the other hand, do you not go jump off a bridge?This is a real world scenario by the way, not a thought experiment. If there's a bridge in walking distance, then you can cast your vote right now. I'm guessing you'll press red now, and assume everyone else would press red too if they're not suicidal?
>>533895224The argument comes from the whole thing being a multi-step process. The psycho who creates the buttons is responsible. The redtards are also partially responsible as they had the opportunity to possibly change the outcome. They're all steps in the process of potential bluekek death. It couldn't have happened without them.
>>533895137The right answer is red because everyone should be able to realize that it's guaranteed survival and have faith in their fellow man that they will also realize this too.
>>533895224>it's the psycho who forced people to push buttons who is responsibleHe did not force you to push the red button. There is complete free will.
>>533895359That depends on their boyfriend being a red button presser, retard. Most of them already chose the bear over a man sobthey absolutely would pick blue
>>533895229Holy crap imagining that scene is so funny.
>>533895359Women would all 100% press the red button. Women are bigger virtue signalers in public, but they are way more pragmatic about such things in private. I have zero doubt EVERY single woman would press the red button.
>>533895208dumbass bulgar still spamming that all women will "selflessly" press blue ahahaha women are selfish cunts so many would press red. plenty of retarded ones would press blue but we would not go extinct no matter how many times you post this stupid shit
>>533895075that's a better way to put it. but since you are already forced to choose in order to save yourself you are under duress / life threatening circumstances which most courts in developed countries would at most judge to be *negligent* manslaughter if we go by american definitions. like >>533895119 says.
>>533895445No one seems to acknowledge that everyone has the same basic opportunity to choose. If I choose red because I want a 100% chance of living, every other person on Earth can make the same choice for the same reason. There is not a single thing, no law of physics, nothing stopping every last person on Earth from thinking about the problem and picking red. So, if anyone picks blue they’re just retarded fags that chose to die for no reason at all. Fuck em.
>>533895463This is you just not understanding women. Women don't pick bears over men in real life. In real life 0 women go out and live with bears over men. Women all SAY they pick bears over men, but then they go and do the opposite of what they say. That's how women works, as anyone who actually interacts with real women knows.
>>533895528>So, if anyone picks blue they’re just retarded fags that chose to die for no reason at allThey did not choose to die. They chose to save others. And you chose you kill them. Not accepting that fact is pure denial.
>>533895528The opportunity of choice does not suddenly remove responsibility. Bluekeks took the risk and might lose but redtards are still partially responsible for that potential loss. Redtards are still part of the process.
>>533895080So the only reason to vote blue is to save the lives of idiots who vote blue, and somehow, that is worthwhile in any way. Ok, well:>every dumb/disabled person votes red, less than 50% of reasonable people vote blue trying to save idiots, dying in the process This being a possible outcome makes voting blue useless even in your own retarded matrix
>>533895491Not every single one. There are some stupid hoes running around. But losing those is probably a good thing for humanity at large so win-win really.
>>533893374nothe deposit my money in my bank account button is the murder buttonthe send my money to africans button is the everyone survives button
>>533895545And women are getting less and less pregnant all the same, your point?
>>533895640That's the selfish choice. You can always depend on women to take the selfish choice.
>>533895137Do you want to GUARANTEED survive, or do you want EVERYONE to survive at risk that you might not survive?The Russians would press Red, whilst you as Ukrainian press Blue, and then all of you would get wiped out while all of them survive.Your thinking is crucially flawed.
>>533895586who did they choose to save?>other blueswhy were the blues in danger in the first place?>because they pressed blueso if everyone pressed red, there wouldnt even be anyone for bluefags to save?>reeee youre literally murdering meeeeee
>>533895208>live button or maybe die button >if you dont press the maybe die hutton you are an npc
>>533894413not trueif no one pressed the blue button no one has to dieif no one was starving no one would have to dieyou putting your paycheck in your bank account instead of in the hands of africans is murderjust as we assume the presents of blue button pushers who need to be savedso to preexisting starving people demand you perform the action that causes them to survive
>>533895273Here you have it, from God himself.Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.>>533895619Even if it's sacrifice, not succeeding does not make it useless. If someone's drowning in the river and you jump in to save him, you still did the right thing even if you both drown. That is not in vain in the eyes of the Lord.
>>533895459wrong. if you have the option not to push the buttons then it means someone is playing the game: if there was only one person who pressed the button it could be a misanthrope who pressed red, meaning only he would survive. you are put in a position where you can only have certainty to save yourself by pressing red because the premise is a private push which means you can't know how many actually pushed blue. are you slow anon? you are not actively and intentionally killing anyone: >>533894097
>>533895721I don't know if that jew blather is from God himself. I have no reason to believe that. I believe God is a reasonable entity.
Poll updateI think we can effectively conclude that pressing red is the right choice if you want to live, because red being the majority is a guaranteed certainty.
>>533895675They already group think to their own destruction by listening to other women due to selfishness so I can agree with that.
This whole thing just shows the general population has no reading comprehension whatsoever. Even ITT we have both bluefags and redfags arguing like it's some philosophical question about altruism and morality or in-group preference or selfishness. It's literally just a trick question, it's worded to make it sound like a prisoner's dilemma type thing, but blue is just a trap answer that kills people for no benefit, not to yourself nor to others. It's so over for brain cells.
>>533895586>They chose to save others.It's a misguided attempt. Everyone can and should choose guaranteed survival instead of taking an unknown risk on the potential for zero harm.
>>533895761He came down on this Earth and those are His words. >But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father who is in Heaven.
>>533895790>Even ITT we have both bluefags and redfags arguing like it's some philosophical question about altruism and morality or in-group preference or selfishness. It's literally just a trick question, it's worded to make it sound like a prisoner's dilemma type thing, but blue is just a trap answer that kills people for no benefit, not to yourself nor to others. It's so over for brain cells.No, if you read the actual thread, it's just the bluetards who argue it's a philosophical question. All the non-hylics are just saying exactly what you're saying.
>>533895586yes and when you chose to depost you paycheck you chose to murder starving africans
>>533895586Womp womp
>>533895827Ok, but again, I need a proper source for that, not just that some jew said so.
>>533892310Something that is bugging me a lot about this is that when it comes to a lot of choices in life, I do the opposite of what my family and friends do:They took the covid vaxx, I did not.They believe in man-made climate change and all the CO2-related solutions, I do not.They voted for the establishment, for a larger, more powerful (more authoritarian) government, I did not.They all subscribe to the current thing, I do not.What am I supposed to do when the ones I love press the blue button?
>>533895859Look at your flag.
>>533895827>bluefags need fo quote the bible to cope with nigger level reading comprehension
>>533895894What about it?
>>533895886Well, you sort of have to realize that your family is utterly tarded at least. That they are harmful and suicidal people. But yeah, not going to tell you what to do. Press the red button and live, and move on. Or die with your tarded family if you can't live without them I guess?
>>533895919Do you see the cross? The people who wrote that are Christians, not jews. They were baptized.
>>533895964Ok, but they still need to prove that they speak for God when they go around claiming God is a fucking retard who wants me to kill myself for retards. Show me the proof.
>>533895886Only if you can't try and convince them:>You pick red to guarantee your survival and hope blue wins, and risk living with that if it doesn't.>Or you pick blue and pray.
We're in it for the species, boy and girls. It's simple numbers. They have more.
>>533895827Oh yeah what about this one13 Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is thegate, and broad is the way that leadeth todestruction, and many there are who go in thereat.14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is theway that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!15 Beware of false prophets, who come to youin the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
>>533895984They speak of God, not for God. God spoke for Himself.
>>533895984So is this the light of luciferian logic and wisdom I keep hearing about?
>>533895886theres nothing you can do. there are 1billion chinks and indians and they are all pressing red, so blue winning is an impossibility. you can try to convince them to press red beforehand, or you can kill yourself if you feel like life isnt worth living without them. but at the end of the day the choice is the same as in the op. press the live button or press the die button. maybe your family would come to the same conclusion in a real life or death situation.
>>533895886What can you do? Treat them with love and tell them the truth, if they don't accept it thats on them, you cant fuck yourself up because they believe in bullshit, help them as much as you're able and live your life well. There's not really anything else you can do, you cant force people to accept the truth really.
>>533896038>>533896044I don't give a shit. If you claim to speak for God, then you need to prove that. I'm not going to engage in retard behavior just because you fags CLAIM to speak for God.
>>533895886Yeah it's the same dilemma for meFucktarded familyI'd still press redRip a doodle doo, niggerinos!
>>533895984Anyone who tells you that the blue button is the Christian choice doesn't understand Christianity.
>>533895359>>533895513>>533895717I'm sorry your mom wouldn't press blue for you.
>>533896103Whatever the Christian choice is has nothing to do with me, regardless.
>>533892594Why wouldnt you want to save everyone? I dont want to live in a world with psychopathic red button pressers. So not a big deal if I die.
>>533896107im sorry your mom thinks youre retarded lmao
>>533892310Pressing the Red button gives me everything I want. Also its an allegory about faith in heaven/hell and your belief about it>Vote Red - Win all the blue retards die (glorious afterlife)>Vote Red - Lose and nothing happens (nothingness)>Vote Blue - Win and nothing happens (nothingness)>Vote Blue - Lose and I die (eternal damnation)Yall are literally falling for the religion meme in a different format. Do better. Vote Red
>>533896103"You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."Again, I am not telling anyone here to press blue. I am telling them to accept the consequences of your choice. And that is breaking the ten commandments.
>>533892310>everyone has toI ain't pushing shit. Nobody tells me what to do.
>>533896152>I dont want to live>not a big deal if I dieKill yourself then?
>>533896074Based, we should burn a baal effigy together
I press blue again because I'm a contrarian at heart :)
>>533896199No thanks. I don't worship middle eastern demons, don't want anything to do with any of those faggots, whether it's Baal or Jewhova.
Imagine if the same question were reworded like this>Everyone in the world has to take a public vote by either screaming NIGGER! at the top of their lungs, or doing nothing. If more than 50% of people scream NIGGER!, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people scream NIGGER!, only people who refused to scream NIGGER! survive. What would you do?how do you think the poll goes? In that case it's a landslide 90/10 vote for "do nothing" with 10% being people who just want to shout NIGGER! even at the cost of their own lives, and then the post gets deleted.This is why anyone voting blue simply has no idea what they're doing and didn't understand the question at all
>>533896261kek
>>533896124I understand that, I'm just saying that no one who actually understands Christianity would say that the blue choice is the moral choice.The path to salvation, according to Christianity, is an absolute, and that is through Christ only.The Christian analogy for this dilemma is basically>if more than 50% repent and seek Christ for salvation, the rest will also be savedAnd that's the antithesis of Christianity.>>533896183I'd rather face judgement than become a literal heretic, retard.
>>533896183This is a self defense scenario. Whoever designed the vote and enforces the results is the murderer, not the people forced into it.
>>533896261The same question can be reworded pertaining to an alien invasion as well, and you would get majority blue votes to resist the aliens instead of being a back stabber
>>533896330>I'd rather face judgement than become a literal heretic, retard.Ten commandments are heretical to you? Sure, you can only be saved through Christ. Do you think Christ will accept someone who doesn't regret murder, or even think that it's a bad thing?
>>533896261wtf is thias real?
>>533896357It is not. See >>533895080
>>533896185I wish you a hellish world with nothing but red button pressers. The kind that gives zero fucks about the well being of others, even their own fanilies. I hope you get along well with your fellow psychopaths and that you are strong enough to survive the ruthless machiavellian world you are asking for, its what subhuman creatures like you deserve :)
>>533896394So you're saying that if you point a gun at someone and tell them you'll kill them if they don't kill someone else... you don't consider yourself a murderer?
Blue button is for high-trust people who collectively want the goodwill of everyone. Red button is for psychopaths who want to gamble people's lives for no good reason. Red button is the le 2010 reddit atheist pseudointellectual button
>>533896432Well, 99% of the world's population would press the red button, that's a low estimate. So it's sort of the world you live in already. Maybe time to MAID?
>>533896473No, I am not. The person forcing the vote is also a murderer. There can be mulitple people responsible for a single death.
>>533896473Depends, did they actually kill the third party or not?
>>533896533>>533896541>if I force someone else to kill someone at gunpoint he's the murderer not meKek, you fruits are weird as fuck. Whatever, you do you.
>>533893317Heh
>>533896394That's not a comparable scenario. Say a group of people are held hostage with guns to their heads and blindfolded. Choose red button and live or choose blue button and die unless majority choose blue. Common sense would be everyone assumes everyone would choose red. If anyone chooses blue, are those who chose red murderers?
>>533896377>doesn't understand the meaning of judgementThe men that died at the Crusades also committed murder, stupid fuck.Again, I'm not going against Christian dogma. You are the one pretending that the blue choice is the Christian one when Christ himself would tell you that red is the only choice because seeking salvation through a democratic process instead of the absolute, which is Christ, is blasphemy.Christ himself told everyone that there will be people who won't reach heaven. You are twisting his words by claiming that all of us can be saved through a democratic process.How stupid can you be?People like you are the reason why churches are becoming a circus because so called Christians are focused on bringing more people in than in salvation.
>>533896577I just said I would be the murderer.
>>533896432so hecking empathetic lol you would join my suicide pact if you were a DECENT FUCKING PERSON
>>533896602Correct. You're the only murderer in that scenario. Without your violent actions there would have been no murder happening there.
>>533896512trvth nvke
>>533896592In that scenario? Depends on who chooses first, if someone chooses red then everyone else will probably get the hint and choose red.
>>533896630No, the person forcing the guy with the gun is murderer1The person who pulls the trigger when he has a choice not to is murderer2They are both murderers. Just don't kill the baby. That's all you have to do.
>>533896152That is retarded. I want to save everyone so clearly if everyone presses the red button everyone lives while the ones who want to die press the blue. If anything pressing the blue button en masse robs the people who wants to die their chance of doing so.IRL I will press the red button regardless because red is a cool color and a red button is begging to be pressed. I like red cars.
>>533896592That is not a comparison that is literally just the same thing as the OP. Make an actual comparison next time
>>533893806your fault for pressing the blue button
>>533896668Nope. If you weren't there, no murder would have happened. So you're the only murderer. All murder in that scenario derives from you.
>>533892310Red.
>>533896703That is the same as blaming the child. If it weren't there, the murder wouldn't have happened either. The guy with a gun has free will. Given to us by God. He chooses if the child lives or dies. No one else.
>>533896330I've never seen such a wrong opinion in my life. Christ loves all, and roots for and attempts to guide all back onto his path. He loved his enemies and sinners. Your entire premise is this: you believe that you are fit to pass judgement onto others. It's crazy how so many Christians just fundamentally miss Christ's message and treat everything as a measuring stick to b feel superior to others. Christ thinks your sin is equally vile to others who are much greater sinners. The only conditional is whether you repent or not.
>>533896774>if my murder victims aren't present I couldn't murder themYeah, no shit. I'm starting to wonder if you're 70IQ or something.
>>533893317Nah the bottom one should be 60 IQ
>>533896807Press trigger = child diesDo not press trigger = child livesDid you or did you not decide about its life
>>533892967Why?
>>533892310Fuck fuck fuck, i pressed blue by accident because I'm colorblind! Save me bros...
>>533892310Holy prisoner's dilemma Batman!
>>533896852You present = a person diesYou not present = no one diesYou make all the decisions in this scenario.
>>533896852but who was child
>>533892594The question becomes "Do you want to live in the world where everyone pushed the red button?"
>>533896661Blindfolded so it's anonymous as in the original premise>>533896693You're dodging the question because it illustrates how absurd the premise is. It's not reasonable to assume that anyone is going to choose the option that risks their death and therefore it's not murder.
>>533896795>The only conditional is whether you repent or not.That's the thing, retard. Red button is repentance through Christ. Blue botton is the majority forgiving the sins of the minority.And Christ would go even further.If 0.000001% picked repenting, Christ would save those instead of the ones that would think that salvation goes beyond anything but Christ.Red is the Christian choice.
>>533896885You cannot change the scenario little bro. It's already there. There is only the decision. Answer the question, does the guy with the gun decide whether the child lives or not
>>533896914a homogenous group of like-minded individuals? where do I sign up?
>>533896929>You cannot change the scenario little bro. It's already there.Who are forcing you to be there to force people to kill or be killed then? In the case where you have no agency here, it's whoever is forcing you to do this that is the murderer.
>>533896921>It's not reasonable to assumeAnd there are plenty of unreasonable people. Even if there was a huge campaign telling everyone to vote red, if everyone is forced to vote, there would be people voting blue. And that would make the red people responsible for their death.
>>533896952>In the case where you have no agency hereYou have ALL THE AGENCY. You pick between your life and the life of your would-be victim. That is the ultimate self-sacrifice.
>>533896929yes, he could have just not been there, or killed the child himself, why risk giving an autonomous actor a weapon he may risk his life shooting the guy with the gun for some abstract thought of plausible denyability?
>>533897006No, in your scenario, you are forcing me to make a decision, that's on you.
>>533896869Its not the prisoners dilemma because in this case if you both stay quiet you both walk free. No dilemma. In the prisoners dilemma, getting the most optimal outcome for yourself means betraying the other, and if you both do that then neither will get it. That's the dilemma but it doesn't apply to the buttons.
>>533897006what stops the guy with the gun killing the child anyways after you refuse and get shot?
>>533897029So you agree that it's a decision. You have a choice. Thank you for conceding.
>>533896982>YOURE responsible for their death caused by their stupidity, not THEM.My lord, this is why we need to ask everyone the red-blue test, it indicates NPC's immediately
>>533896623If bluefags die you are guaranteed to live in a world devoid of empathy. Dont lament yourself when your new neighbors are awful low trust people because all the decent ones who legitimately care about other people left the world. You are doing us a favor really. Meanwhile you are stuck in a world full of psychopaths. The post-bluefag world will be a shithole full of people who would murder you in your sleep if they could get away with it. Its a hell of your own making. Your loss, anonie.
>>533897063>pilpulshow nose moshe
>>533897063No, there's no decision there for me. You're the only one doing a decision in this scenario. I have no wish or drive towards killing some random child, because I'm not a murderer. Without you there to force me to do it, the murder would never have happened.Again: in this scenario all murder derives from your presence. If you weren't there I would never do any murder, because I'm not a murderer. That's all you.
>>533896261Lmao i love this rephrasing
>>533896922Theologically I have no argument for you, I just want to point out that virtually all old church ladies will chose blue because they're retarded normie women.
>>533897103You don't care about anyone stop bullshitting NPC bluer, go get the vax and fuck off, we dont wanna hear how fake virtuous and angelic you are, devil.
>>533897127You already said that it's a decision bud. That's all I needed to hear. But it was a fun exercise. See you redfriends.
>>533892310>red or blueStop pressing buttons, being told what to do, and accepting artificial binary choices.Let's just not vote, pay taxes, or obey the law at all anymore.Toilet-Bound Hanuko-Chan ass nonsense.
>>533897196Well, we're at bump and the results are in. As I predicted in my first post, what would happen if this was a real scenario would be that I would be alive and you would be dead.Which is fine by me. I'd not feel a shred of guilt over it, I'd even be glad your retard ass was gone.
>>533896982You can't be held responsible for other people's actions. This is negotiating with terrorists. No different than caving to demands of anyone threatening to harm themselves or others.
>>533897103the redchad world would consist of high iq whites who are like minded lol it would be heaven on earth without retards like YOU shitting the place up and forcing your suicidal empathy on western civilization. do us all a favor and bring us one step closer to paradise
>>533895359This. Vast majority of women who say they would press blue would actually press red.
>>533896261I don't understand, so I'm just going to scream nigger as I always do, simply because I want to.
>>533896922>Red is the Christian choice.>the other focused religion is meant to choose the "I dont give a fuck about others" button.Imagine being this retarded.
>>533897103the idea behind pressing red is that after the first culling, we can return to high trust between like minded individualsnow I ask myself, jews as they are, like others to do the fighting for them and make divides so people fight each other instead of pay attention to their schemes.so my guess is they are behind this post and fake poll again (no surprise majority of people would anonymously vote red, and if the poll was in favor of red, this whole thing would be no big deal)same as crypto-communists are arming the right wing with patriotism to have drone-fodder for upcoming cullingblue-pressing mentality can easily be manufactured to always have these dumbasses willing to sacrafice their lives for le greater heckin good
>>533897340>retard thinks that Christianity is about saving everyone and not salvation through Christlollmao even
>>533896922Alright bud, let me break it down for you in very explicit terms.Neither button represents repentance or salvation. That is something that you have, for some reason, projected onto the experiment.If you boil the dilemma down to its rarest principles, they are as follows: with the blue button, you are gambling your own life, in the hopes that everyone else lives; with the red button, you are gambling everyone else's life in the hopes that you will live.Now actually think for a second what Christ did. He gave his life so that everyone could live. It's really that simple.
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>>533897387You're talking to a pledditor, not a real christcuck. Pledditors like him use christcuckery when it's convenient, to defend feminism, vax boosting, immigration, blue button pressing etc. to try to trick naive real christcucks into going along. You're not talking to a honest actual fellow christfag.
>>533895359>>533897316You're forgetting that women are retarded; most are too retarded to even understand the premise and half of those probably chose blue by accident, and then there is the other problem of even those women who undersrand the problem still being retarded and think they have plot armor and the universe will reward them for chosing blue.
>>533897192>>533897302seething psychopaths
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>>533897403I love when lefty atheists call upon the bible or jesus as some sort of argumentreligion is just a belief and hope, some people translate it differently into their lives and the real worldsome would live a selfish lavish lifestyle and then repent before death making a charity donation and think theyre goodsome will devote their lives helping afroniggers build wells and properly feed themselves without relying on gibssome will press the red button, some will press the blue buttongod helps those who help themselves, christ is king and talmud denounced
>>533897403>with the red button, you are gambling everyone else's life in the hopes that you will live.Not a hope. A guarantee for all who choose it.>He gave his life so that everyone could live. It's really that simple.Yep. He saved humanity so you don't have to. Now use your God-given Logos and choose life.
>>533897432Based.The blue must fear the red.
>>533897357>the idea behind pressing red is that after the first culling, we can return to high trust between like minded individuals It would be fake. The high trust society would be dead because you just literally purged all the high trusters. All the high trusters pressed blue.
>>533897500False moralizers are psychopathic virtue signallers, we redders want people to choose life.
>>533897500youre the one seething about your needless death retard. redchads will stay alive and forget you ever existed
>>533897586nah, I become a high truster after the purge, so there's at least one high truster remaining. the rest can be manufactured easily, as it is done already today
>>533897557It's okay big guy, some of us aren't afraid to potentially die for others if it means following our saviors example. More than 50% will press the blue button anyhow because they aren't an individualist cryptoboomer like you.>FUCK YOU I GOT MINEAlright then.Simple truth is with your choice, people can die, and with my choice, people can't, and at worst I am gambling my own life instead of someone else's. I won't gamble someone else's life like you. There is another world after this one.
>>533897586High trust people have no reason to press blue, there's no reward for pressing it, only a chance of death. Only retards (women) press blue.
>>533897586high trust is believing in humans to not kill themselves for no reason, actually. low trust is thinking you have to babysit all the """empathetic""" retards by pressing blue to fix their poor choice
>>533897387Christianity is about loving your neighbors you dumbfuck. Literally the whole point of christianity is to care about others. How can you be this fucking stupid? Please be bait.
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>>533897586>implying you can trust a virtue signalling bluey who advocates suicide for no reason but in real life would press red every timeyou are simply a psychopathic browbeater who pushes false morals for his own dogmatic agenda and personal gain
>>533897731>high trust>"WHERES MY REWARD" psychotic individualist thinkingYou aren't genetically high trust, I'm sorry to say.
>It's really that simple.No you dumbfuck. Because your line of reasoning implies that he did so as an action that anyone else could do.Christ and only Christ could save everyone through his own death.What's really simple is reframing the dilemma through a Christian lens>if more than 50% of people don't repent of their sins, everyone will be saved>if less than 50% of people don't repent of their sins, only people who repented will be savedIt's literally Christianity 101, dumbass. It goes even further, and Christ explicitly tells you that if less than 1% of the people repent, only those who repented will be saved.And before you say something retarded like>but what if you reframe it as the red pickers as those that partake in sin and the blue pickers as those as repent!I want to remind you that repentance is an absolute. Your repentance will never be enough for Christ to save others, only they can repent. So theologically, a majority will never be able to save those who don't repent no matter how high that majority is.
>>533897771thank you! redbro, never commit suicide, life is precious and logic is good
>>533897751ok so please show some love for us redpressers who wish you death, fake moralfag, show nose
>>533897725Red isn't a gamble, the result of pressing red is always the same. Only blue has risk, blue is the irresponsible gamble.Blue is like playing russian roulette when you have the choice to simply not play.
>>533897722>b-but im a high truster!Why didnt you press blue then? You cant fake being a high truster. Either you are one or you arent. Simple as.
>>533897751>doesn't understand the Christian notion of loveLoving your neighbour would be akin to trusting them with the choice that guarantees their survival and not partaking in a suicide pact because you feel bad about their own choices, stupid jeet.
>>533897806High trust doesn't mean irrational. A high trust person doesnt throw himself off bridges for no personal gain at all simply because he trusts society to catch them. Only a retard behaves like that.
>>533897841>ok so please show some love for us redpressers who wish you death,I did. I pressed blue.
>>533897862I press red because I have high trust that people deserving to live will also press red, as >>533897731>>533897745put better than mefake moralfag kike btfo!
>>533897926thanks now go die for israel and/or ukranny plsyour sacarfice will be forgotten
>>533897725It's a cop out to abandon your life and your responsibilities and capability to do good by making a rationally unwise decision out of misguided principle. Ask yourself if it still holds up if the requirement is 100% because the number isn't really important.
>>533897845If you press red, others may die because of your press. If you press blue, everyone will most likely live, and your choice never put another at risk.Individualists like you and most Americans think that you are so self-sufficient and omnipotent, without realizing how much you rely on others and society, even at your most competent and independent. It's really interesting to see just how boomer-like nu/pol/ thedonald refugees are.
>>533897925>MY PERSONAL GAAAAAINpeople like you will lament the decline of the west while being its cause. It's okay that you're wrong I am not judging you for it. I expect it from a person who is mentally a child.
>>533897824>>533897919Please stop larping as a christian. You are literally condoning the pressing of a button that could potentially kill a huge amount of people for no reason other than your own selfish gain. Thats not very christlike.
>>533897982Was Jesus just copping out and abandoning his daily responsibilities by being willing to die for others. It's so funny how mask off people like you are. Christianity is just cosplay for types like you.
>>533898012show nose moshe
>>533897725What if most my family presses red and i'm the retard who presses blue? I wouldn't want to abandon them. Thus, pressing red to ensure you are around to care for survivors is the ultimately selfless act. Dying is easy, living to serve is hard
>>533898102Said the stupid faggot who only knows about Christianity through cultural osmosis and actually belieevs that >Literally the whole point of christianity is to care about othersYou have no understanding of Christianity, go back to worshipping monkeys and eating shit while calling it holy.
>>533898215>killing others is the ultimately selfless actFascinating. Tell me more.
>>533898237Here retard. Matthew 22:36-40You should read it someday. Now stop embarrasing yourself with your christian larp.
>>533898189You aren't even redpilled on the kikes newfren. Just stop being a fake piece of shit for once in your life my goodness.
>>533898251who said anything about killing in the OP? why are you so obsessed with killing? seek help>>533898316>christian larpprojection
>>533898316>Love your neighbor as yourselfI know you are extremely low IQ, being a blue picker, but loving my neighbour as myself would still make me pick red because since I love my neighbour as myself, I would assume that he's not a retard who doesn't understand game theory and he would pick red also.
>>533898152No he was following the law rather than become a criminal fugitive. Choosing to risk your life needlessly when everyone has the option of life is not wise or noble, it's wasteful of the gift you've been given.
>>533898251Lmao by pressing blue you sign up to potenitally die. There's nothing about pressing red that kills you. It's you pressing blue that potentially kills you. The moral culpability is 100% on you, lmao. Stop projecting
>>533898404>I know you are extremely low IQ.So you want to live, and yet you are not willing to extend the same courtesy to your neighbor who would have picked blue? What about love your enemies? Ever heard of that one? Its funny how you are trying to school me on christianity when you are eager to murder people at the push of a button. Jesus would be disgusted at the likes of you. I dont know why you think He would condone your behaviour. You are so delusional.
>>533898557I just want to save everyone, even at my own expense. How is that not the selfless choice?
>>533898012I can guarantee you that blue button pressers aren't those doing vital jobs
>>533898251This is beside the point of the button hypothetical, but I'd say it can be. It depends on the damage caused/potentially caused by the person being killed. It's one of the informal delineations between the term "killing" and "murder".For example, most people (not most Anglo Canadians though, you guys are insane) would agree that lethally injuring someone who was about to cause serious harm to an innocent bystander would constitute "killing" that person, and not murdering them. The idea is that NO ONE needed to die, but it's reasonable that if someone is going to die, it should be that person that raised the stakes of a normal situation to a perilous one through their own choices and actions. For many countries, and especially the USA, this is the framework for legal systems which take self-defense into account when reviewing a circumstance where someone died because of the actions of another. Was it illegal (murder) or a lawful killing?I would argue that a person who shoots and kills an axe-wielding lunatic attempting to chop up kids on a playground has done something "selfless" -- "heroic" even. The assumed risk of their actions emanates from the potential for their governing body/legal system to deem that their interference was unlawful, disproportionate or unnecessary given the situation. Still, even if the courts throw the rescuer to the lions, the parents of those children would be grateful that said person risked everything to save their children.This would be considered a "selfless act" which is moral, heroic, and necessitated killing.The button press is different, because instead of "a lunatic with an axe attempting to murder children", we're dealing with a demographic of people who will essentially kill themselves if you don't agree to kill yourself too. Blue raises the stakes to mortal peril in an attempt to impede catastrophe, while red never puts themselves there in the first place.
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>>533898678What the fuck are you talking about, you seething retard?I'm not "eager to murder" anyone. I've given a choice and I'm taking the choice that isn't completely stupid and the only choice that applies my own free will to an outcome.You are delegating the outcome to the masses. Because you're a coward who pretends your cowardice is virtue.Again, you quoted scripture, but in your own retardation, you proved me right when I pointed out that you only know of Christianity through cultural osmosis.You read "Love thy neighbour" and got stuck there. You never got "as you love yourself" because you are incapable of independent behavior. Loving others is understanding that they are the sole responsible for their own salvation and anyone who understands that would pick the choice that saves them, not the one that depends on the choice of others.It's hard to know if you are a bigger faggot than you are a retard.
>>533898716>>533897103Because this exercise is not about empathy. Empathy is about understanding others and ultimately helping this who can't help themselves. This exercise with the buttons is about logic and reason. Empathy would be something like "you and a select group of people get the choice to save yourselves or save the entire world even if it means risking your life". This exercise is different, it says "everyone can save themselves, but if you are a contrarian retard you can risk your life for no reason while at the same time guilt tripping others to do the same".If you tell me left handed people or blind or something can't press the button I'll be a blue presser all the way, but you are telling me everyone has the same chances so I have to risk myself just to be retarded?
>>533898966Jesus would have pressed the blue button. You can seethe and mald all you want, but thats a fact. You are not a christian. Dont even try to pretend to be one.
>>533899161Mark 10:35-45, stupid fucking retard.Jesus explicitly told James and John that only he could suffer from the sins of all of mankind. NO ONE ELSE.Your position regarding this dilemma while saying "Jesus saved everyone through sacrifice so I can save everyone too" is claiming that you are Christ-like, which is not only extremely appropriate, being a blue presser retard, but also incredibly blasphemous.
>>533899383Not surprised a retard like you never heard of the term of "theosis". Literally the whole point of christianity is trying to live like Jesus lived, to follow His example. There is no blasphemy there moron, we are not trying to become God, just trying to live as He taught us to do. And that implies dying for others if you have no choice. There is just no way an actual christian would chose an option that could harm other people. Your cafeteria version of christianity is not real and its a mockery of the real thing. Are you aware Jesus died in the cross for YOU? We are called to do the same, save others at our expense. You just dont get it.
>>533899581You are not "dying for others", you stupid fucking moron, you are dying FOR EVERYONE.And only Jesus Christ has the divine authority to grant salvation to everyone.At least try to understand the premise of the dilemma, stupid fuck.
