Femsubs, what is your dream level of submission to a man? Should he have any limits with you?
>>79712539A boyfriend who is like an incubus that I summoned and follows my daily commands and tasks to please his master (me) with a smile, but then molests the shit out of me and pins me down and spits in my mouth at the end of the day.
>>79712600As a daily insurrection or as a one time servant who then takes permanent control of you?
Submission is boring, is a task for men
>>79712603It's boring, thus a task for the autistic. Autistic girls are natural slave girls.
>>79712602As a daily dynamic so I don't know if I would classify as a sub, maybe more as a bottom. I know some women want to please and serve. I don't. I just want a smug incubus who serves me, kisses my forehead, makes my life easier but then rapes me and slaps me at night.
>>79712642>maybe more as a bottomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-3qnJxEYmcI do like the narrative arc of this situation. He's a physical servant and you are his taskmistress, but the service is ultimately his choice and he overpowers you at his pleasure.
>>79712642serves you how?this is basically what i did to my ex but i didn't consider anything i did to be servile
>>79712685>I do like the narrative arc of this situation. He's a physical servant and you are his taskmistress, but the service is ultimately his choice and he overpowers you at his pleasure.!!!>>79712688Acts of service, massages, cleaning, helping carry stuff, buying food. I'd like to hear what other women are into though.
>>79712642you're a classic switch, you like both subbing and domming.
>>79712782I don't like being sexually dominant though. I think people would expect that from claiming the switch title?
>>79712765>massagesGiving women massages is great. It's tiring, but if they want it done right they have to be naked.
>>79712765>Acts of service, massages, cleaning, helping carry stuff, buying food.I'd like to hear what other women are into though.I did all that for her we just didn't have the mindset that it was a service from me to herOkay I didn't usually clean things but everything else was there
>>79712955>>79712765actually quite a few girls were into being petted, on the head, somewhere between stroking her hair lovingly and being treated like a cat>>79712825and while there was some honest effort at massaging it always led to sex
Are you guys prison dominant?
>>79713152>prison dominant?Like "prison gay" so we're only doms because we have to be?
>>79713152what exactly the fuck does that term mean?
>>79713170Yea that exactly
>>79713176A little bit. I do like extreme domination and power differential, but not 24/7 stuff like a lot of women want.
>>79712642you're definitely a sub, just not a lifestyle sub. you want him to act like he has a right to you, but that he has duties to you as well. that's basically just normie female sexuality, but transposed into a fantasy setting and dialed up as hard as possible with maximum indulgence. "treats you like the princess he thinks you are, and fucks you like the whore he knows you are" is the biggest cliche that normie girls are always posting.
>>79712539>what is your dream level of submission to a man?I want to be his 24/7 slave both in and outside of the bedroom, obeying his every order, treating him with respect, fulfilling his every sexual desire, waiting on him and making sure he never has to lift a finger around the house, and letting him use and abuse me as he sees fit. He should be a fair bit misogynistic. Daily beatings just to keep me in line would be nice as well. I'd also like to be his personal breeding cow, but I'm not sure how the 24/7 slave dynamic would work with kids in the picture. >Should he have any limits with you?Ideally no permanent damage to my body, knifeplay, breathplay, or anything else that could potentially kill me. Also despite being his slave, I don't want him fucking other women. I want to be the only woman he wants.
>>79713768>no knifeplayDropped
despite me being 100% submissive, i seem to only attract men who are submissive themselves or switches who prefer being submissive. whatinthewhatinthe
>>79712539Off to the colloquium with all of you
>>79712539Submitting is stupid.Violently trying to resist and being overpowered and still not submitting is the real deal.>>79713796Doms don't actually exist. This is well known.
>>79712539Don't degrade me, tell me I'm a good girl for feeling good, tell me I'm beautiful, encourage me to love myself and feel good. Pleasure me.That is the most dom I want, anything else is gross and cringe.
>>79713152I am not>>79713806You know what it's called when you get overpowered over and over again until it's ingrained in your psyche that you stand no chance against that man?Submission>Doms don't actually exist. This is well known.I'm right here>>79713796Maybe it's something about how you look?I've always wanted to try domming a very butch girl
>>79713806>Violently trying to resist and being overpowered and still not submitting is the real deal.this>tfw no rapeplay wife
>>79712642>>79713569lol if the genders were reversed you'd have plenty of female dommes complaining about 'irresponsible manchildren subbing from the bottom'
>>79713797High verbosity post.
>>79713569> normie female sexualityYeah, I can see it. I realize that this isn't unique or very creative. Although a lot of my friends want their boyfriend to be also dominant and lead in day to day life whereas I prefer the idea of gentle and willing subservience from him. I want to make decisions and he just smiles and bows: "Sure, darling."The contrast between a gentle, sweet man who serves but can also transform into a rough sex demon (so to speak) is also incredible to me. Like you wouldn't assume... yet...>>79713806Thanks for this picture. Saved it.
>>79715115Honestly female doms as rare as they are really seem to go through some massive bullshit. I'm signed up in several communities about BDSM because I just like to read what people have to say. I don't care about nudes or porn, I like the psychological aspect so I just read.And I feel based on how women body through sex (unlike men, who can keep it casual) and BDSM dials this up like 10x more in intensity and intimacy they constantly fall in love with their male doms whereas the dom just doesn't care that much, loses interest, has post nut clarity or whatever. Yet this also seems to happen with male subs. I find several posts of distraught dommes saying that their subs use them as kink dispenser, ghost them, lose interest immediately after they nut.There could be a point made that men just won't be as vocal or vulnerable if it happens to them, but even in places with a lot of low testosterone high estrogen reddit-tier men it's like almost only women who complain about falling in love or being ghosted after the subs or doms post nut clarity or just used for kink.
>>79712539Ideally there would be no limits. He would own me and love me and never harm me, and I would submit completely. I am 30 now and I recognize I am not going to find this. Maybe I am not capable of giving myself over to another person like that, and very few, maybe none, are worthy of my submission.
>>79716721wanna give me your discord?
>>79716721Wtf does no limits mean?? Illegal?
>>79712600 I will give you loving stay at home husband that's big strong and a bit fat and will dom you, but in a gentle respectful way-- no spitting or dirty talk, just roughness, a bit of choking, etc.
>>79716353most women like loyal and dutiful men who listen to them, they just don't sexualize it like you do. the biggest difference IMO is that you're less into him being independent, so it's a little more objectifying. outside of the bedroom you want him to express himself through devotion rather than possessiveness, while I think most women want a mix of the two.like I said, it seems to be based on fantasy because devotion is something that reads very clearly and serves as a very strong signal of success in your role in the dynamic, and being ravished is also very viscerally rewarding and effortless on your part, so they're similar in that way.
>>79716721>I am 30 now and I recognize I am not going to find this.what's the closest you've gotten?
>>79716721All men deserve this.
>>79713152not really, I'm a 70/30 dom-leaning switch by nature but I'd be perfectly happy leaning into the dom side full-time, just whatever's convenient. but yeah there are some kink venues where it does feel like I'm more rewarded for misrepresenting myself a little like the fsub part of tumblr.
>>79718551>All men deserve this.Most men do not want this though. I think most men are vanilla, sexually submissive or a switch. And even the men who are dominant often do this because it's just a means to an end for sex.I remember reading a study that most female sub / male dom porn is consumed by women, not men. And that women even watch more violent porn (with the exception of hardcore gore) than men.
>>79719399I'm very dominand in bed, but very passive in life
>>79719523What does passive mean? You don't want to work?
>>79719399Do you need a hard dom?
>>79716424sub bros how can it b e
>>79719399because men just aren't that into sex. they see it as a bodily function to fulfill, a form of status and achievement, or a source of novel experiences. being into kink is often related to an emphasis on pair bonding as the primary function of sex, and while I am a dom who would be into what you describe at least as a fantasy, there's a way in which it actually does reflect a more female attitude towards sex for me to find that interesting or worth the effort.
>>79720918>I remember reading a study that most female sub / male dom porn is consumed by women, not men. And that women even watch more violent porn (with the exception of hardcore gore) than men.Obviously.I will never understand why this shit surprises anyone.In fact, I read a lot hentai in magazines that are obviously mostly marketing to female readers, and some of those stories are with dominant females and bitch males, and then, in almost all cases, the male character is the protagonist and the reader is invited to self-insert as him more than anything.Same in reverse; there's clearly almost no market for doms and I don't get why so many people find this surprising. It feels like they never watched porn or talk to people if that be surprising to them.
>>79721147>I will never understand why this shit surprises anyone.Why is this obvious? You'd think men having a higher sex drive and being "the dominant" gender fantasize about fucking shit out of women and tying them up in their basement... yet it's overwhelmingly women who fantasize about that. I do think that's odd.
>>79713806source please? Where is the pic from?
>>79721168>I do think that's oddIn any bdsm porn the submissive gets pleasure while the dom just does what the sub is into. Why would a guy watch that shit
Dunno about female submission, but that pic reminds me of my girl and I's relationship, but the other way around.My girl will bend me over and spank my butt, sometimes until it's red. I'm not really into that but she likes doing it so I let her. Sorry if that's unrelated, just reminded me of that.
>>79721147>I read a lot hentai in magazines that are obviously mostly marketing to female readers, and some of those stories are with dominant females and bitch males, and then, in almost all cases, the male character is the protagonist and the reader is invited to self-insert as him more than anything.that sounds amazing, I would love to read some of that stuff.I suspect that many of these female readers might actually be self-inserting as both characters and not just the sub, since that's what I do with femdom as a guy. my version of bisexuality is basically "attracted to submissive women, dominant women, and submissive men, but not dominant men" and I think a lot of lesbian-ish women may have something similar going on, while others may have the reverse version where they're attracted to everything except submissive women. but either way I think it's common for bi people to be attracted to both characters in a femdom scene but only one character in a maledom scene.
>>79721201Because if someone actually is dominant or sadistic they get pleasure from dominating people? All you prove is that almost no one is truly dominant aside from a small % of men.
>>79721226>things that never happened>diaries of a hallucinating subfag
>>79721234Believe what you want anon. I'm telling you my lived experience. Also fuck Hiro for not letting me post pictures in private browsing. Lame as fuck
>>79721247Yeah I'm sure your totally real girlfriend just LOVES bending you over and spanking your flabby man ass for minutes and you're totally not into it but she just forces on you. Nigga please..
>>79721229>Because if someone actually is dominant or sadistic they get pleasure from dominating peopleYes but the porn isn't catered to him
>>79721254Lol why are you getting upset at me? Calm down and go rub one out. I'm not arguing with you
>>79721266Yeah because there's no demand? There's a billion BBC videos because so many cucks exist.>>79721270Just take your meds. I'm so tired of men roleplaying online.
>>79721147>I read a lot hentai in magazines that are obviously mostly marketing to female readers, and some of those stories are with dominant females and bitch males, and then, in almost all cases, the male character is the protagonist and the reader is invited to self-insert as him more than anything.what are the names of these magazines and how much nip do you need to know to read them?
>>79721291>Yeah because there's no demandShit like facial abuse exists
>>79721315Sure but what % of the viewers are female? If women relative to their proportion size of porn viewers prefer violent porn over men. And isn't not really elaborate domination or sadism most of the time, just a rough facefuck and a nut.
>>79721352My point was that women would watch the elaborate fetish specific bdsm porn and dominant/sadistic guys just watch shit like facial abuse
>>79721168I feel like people who say that have never ever talked to males about what they like.Almost no male ever said he wants to do that while they say things like:>Ohh, I want a sexy older woman to step on me>Ohh, I want to be tied up by this sexy girlEven without talking to them directly, just by reading comment sections, you almost never see something like "I want to choke this hot girl" and it's always something like "I want this hot girl to choke me".It's about actually talking to people rather than randomly making up theory in your head. Even in James Bond films where he's as about as assertive as you get he's still surrounded by even more assertive "femme fatale" bond girls who are dangerous and dominant because that's what the audience wants to see.>>79721201That too. It kind of shows whom it's for. All these porn videos are clearly directed by and for subs.>>79721227Well, one of them is the image.>I suspect that many of these female readers might actually be self-inserting as both characters and not just the subI don't disagree. Something I noticed about it, like in that example I gave is that the female lead is sort of sexy in a way you'd want to be sexy yourself that's often lacking in things for males, but it might just be because that's the only way female artists can draw alluring female characters.>and I think a lot of lesbian-ish women may have something similar going on, while others may have the reverse version where they're attracted to everything except submissive womenI also think this is probably true from what I read.>>79721300You don't need much nip to read porn for obvious reasons. Honestly, porn is a good way to get started learning because it's still enjoyable without understanding all of it though some porn like say Outbride I wouldn't recommend to a beginner.Anyway:>Choco Love>Mobile Flower>&Flower>Ane-Friend>Comic Tint>Sho-ComiX>Cheese
>>79721365There's so much more to dominant sex than facial abuse and pulling hair though? Facial abuse isn't even dominant in an elaborate way probably vanilla guys would be down to do that too from time to time. I mean it just proves that the majority of men aren't deeply dominant or sadistic in a sexual sense so there is no real demand for porn studios to do it aside from some niche demographic.
>>79721300Oh, forgot Manga Park which publishes Outbride.It's an online magazine that's basically the king of otome harems if you ask me but it's also all stuff I would not recommend to beginners. It's all historical or science fiction stuff with a lot of technical vocabulary but a lot of it has insanely good sex scenes and insanely good plot in it.
I have read COUNTLESS times posts like "HELP! My husband is submissive in bed" or "HELP! How do I get my bf to dom me?" from women but never seen a post complaining that he is dominant and she isn't submissive.lol
>>79721398That's why I can't let them touch my guns.
>>79712539But does this big black butt smell good or bad? That is the important part. Who cares about the size if it doesn't stink right.
>>79721665Only one way to find huh?
>>79712539sorry i (the boy) like being the submissive one in the relationship
>>79722223That's literally 99% of men on r9k. Either submissive or switch wanting to be submissive at least once in awhile.
>>79722274 I'm a sub in everyday life, but a dom in the sheets (I think, I can't imagine being a sub in the sheets).
>>79722336can I introduce you to >>79712642
>>79722336Even if they do exist, they aren't like in porn.It's also extremely self-centred in porn, a bunch of """rapists""" who purely focus on your physical pleasure. Anon >>79712642 here talks about "serving and pleasing" but that's what all these porn """rapists""" are really like. Of course they won't give you the choice to say no but they're actually fairly slavishly devoted to your pleasure for the most part.
>>79722512> slavishly devoted to your pleasureUh based?
>>79722512women have no defenses against a pussy-eating rapist. nothing is more powerful.
>>79722520Yeah this is why it doesn't work in real life.Even in fiction, I end up feeling guilty about it if they not be rapey. It's hard to feel guilty when your self-insert didn't ask for it and even tries to resist.Also why I like prostitution titles. I read some titles where the protagonist just pays 3 people for an amazing threesome. Hard to feel guilty then when it's quid pro quo.>>79722539The contrast is kind of hot.>The virgin real life rape:>>Rapist is seldom pretty>>Rapist violently pins you down as to facilitate the rape or otherwise threatens you with some kind of weapon or drugs you to the point that you don't even realize or remember if you're lucky>>Rapist mostly cares about his own pleasure, not yours>>At best rapist shout "shut up and be quiet">>All you can think is "gross, ewl, I hate this... please, stop... I beg you,, eeewl, nooo">>Rapist could have chosen anyone, you were just around>>Dirty room background scenery>>Makes you feel violated and sick with both your rapist and yourself>>The chad idealized romantized fictional rape:>>Rapist is highly good looking>>Rapists gently holds you down at best>>Somehow the rapist is more concerned with your pleasure than his own>>Rapist gently whispers "Why... your body seems honest... truly... you're prey of the finest quality... why don't you just admit you want this you dirty slut...?" in your ear>>What you think is "Why... I hate him, and yet... when he looks at me with those eyes my body just stops listening to me and I can't say no to him any more...">>The rape is proof that the rapist is uncontrollably attracted to you and how special you are>>Sparkly flowerprint background scenery for whateve reason>>Makes you feel pretty and desirable and eventually fall in love with your rapist
>>79722574what is it that you feel guilty about, I don't get it
>>79722574>I read some titles where the protagonist just pays 3 people for an amazing threesome.this sounds fun, where can I find stuff like this?
>>79722512 Now, I'm not a violent person, just a bit rough. Maybe some light choking. No hitting or verbal abuse. Just strong and dominant. I'll hold you down nice and hard while I kiss you.
>>79722336 I'm not a rapey slappy dom, more a hold you down and kiss you while I roughly pound you.
>>79722606That some fucker is pleasing every corner of my self-insert's body and gets nothing in return. I'd die of guilt in real life.>>79722663Was somewhere in Mobile Flower. I forgot the title and it was like a 2020 issue or something maybe. I don't think a lot of it exists though since it's the only one I remember. Protagonist basically had a sexless marriage and just decided to use prostitutes instead. Visiting prostitutes isn't generally considered infidelity in Japan as some added cultural contexts and it's quite normal for married persons to do that.I kind of want more titles where the protagonist visits prostitutes but it's pretty rare for obvious reasons.
>>79722691Sorry, that post was meant for>>79722479 >you have been muted for 2 seconds
>>79722695but why would he get nothing in return? it's possessive, getting something in return is implied if you understand delayed gratification. he's using your pleasure to control you and put you into the mental space that he wants.
>>79722716That's when they are rapists. Like I said, I don't feel guilty then because my self-insert never asked for it anyway.But these sex scenes that are entirely consensual where someone is just pleasuring every corner of the body of the audience avatar who basically starfishes, I feel guilty when I read that and I also simply don't think it's all that interesting.
>>79722695yeah, I was shocked to learn how normal it is in japan and how even women feel comfortable being clients, while in the west it would make them feel defective unless they had a really specific reason that let them justify it.I think the fact that all sexual services other than penetrative sex are perfectly legal may have a lot to do with how normalized it is, but it's also the fact that non-transactional sexual culture in japan is kind of broken when the guys in the aspirational segment of the economy (salarymen) are so overworked and spend all their time with coworkers so they can't really bring much to romantic relationships, and the guys with room in their lives to be romantic are lower status.
>>79722759>yeah, I was shocked to learn how normal it is in japan and how even women feel comfortable being clients, while in the west it would make them feel defective unless they had a really specific reason that let them justify it.Well look at it like this: in many countries, 40 years back viewing pornography would be seen as infidelity and now it's considered perfectly normal.Conversely, I noticed that Japanese people can get like super nervous if their lovers spend time with the opposite sex alone like sleep over with a friend while that's very normal where I live.>I think the fact that all sexual services other than penetrative sex are perfectly legal may have a lot to do with how normalized it is, but it's also the fact that non-transactional sexual culture in japan is kind of brokenMarriages in Japan in general are very often not really based on romantic love to begin with. Even actual infidelity is fairly tolerated and basically most Japanese marriages seem to in practice be "don't ask, don't tell" open marriages where both know the other is probably doing it.It also doesn't help that it's completely normal and accepted for companies to say send an employee who lives in Tokyo over to the Osaka branch for half a year and rent a small apartment from him there. He's just away from his family for half a year but that's normal in Japan. They both know what's going to happen during that time with the other but they don't really care all that much but they don't really discuss it either.P.i.v. sex is also legal with prostitutes by the way and they do that all the time too so I don't think it's that that doesn't happen. What's illegal is strictly p.i.v. against compensation between unacquainted individuals. So the legal loophole is simple: let them have a 15 minute talk before the sex and it becomes legal; that's actually how it works; they're "acquainted" then. That's what they do in soapland, as a legal requirement.
>>79716721>I am 30 now and I recognize I am not going to find this.Why not? Because of age or are there other reasons?
>>79722727yeah, I think that's exactly why this type of cliched shit is so common in romance novels, it just suits the medium well. but in real life it doesn't have to be noncon for there to be tension and for men to be seductive in this way, because people generally rely on nonverbal communication that leaves some ambiguity rather than explicit consent. so it can still be framed as somewhat violating for him to be pleasuring you because he's in control and it's implied that he's going to get what he wants, whether that's an orgasm or just a conquest or a social display that lowers you. you're the one giving up unfettered access to your body so easily when that's something women are supposed to use as a bargaining chip.
>>79722929You think anyone in real life will do that?These stories are written for and by masochists to write down their own idealized version of being raped that just doesn't exist in real life.The rapey love interest is a tool in it and has no independent desires and goals and what he does typically makes no sense from his own perspective.For one, these characters are uncontrollably in love with the protagonist after first seeing them, and then rape them with a smug face to win them over and it actually works. Who thinks that's a good strategy.
>>79723005I didn't say fiction was realistic, but it's a funhouse mirror version of something that does exist in real life which is male seduction of women, or encounters that can be framed as a seduction to at least some extent. normal heterosexuality really does often have an element of what I described, though it may be subtle or clumsy in a lot of cases.then fiction takes this dynamic and strips out everything that doesn't contribute to hitting a few basic erotic pressure points as intensely as possible and then packages it up to make sense in a written scene and work.
>>79712642Wow sounds like every woman ever who doesn't do anything their bf likes in bed, the worst typeWomen are all power bottoms with rape fantasies and force that fetish on every man while shaming him for every kink he's into.
>>79723174if you were good at raping them they would do the stuff you're into, or at least most of it.
>>79723174I'm not I want to be treated gently and tenderly and be loved and admired and have someone that wants to please me but instructs me on how I can please myself.I don't like degradation, I don't like men thinking they are above me, I don't want to be brutalized.
>>79723238nta but what if it was only mild degradationjust a bit knowing you're willing to put yourself in uncomfortable situations for your mans pleasure?
>>79712539Well, not real men, I think I'd rather live in my head with this.I have been obsessed with some version of "well intentioned and good person comes to buy me or a character I invented as a slave and becomes their savior (but still keeps them as a slave)" since I was 12, and that was because I was exposed to specific instances of media that showed slaves being bought and kept by good people. I'm obsessed with the aesthetics of being a slave, shackles and collars and branding and speech control and bowing and kneeling. The moment in shield hero the raccoon girl insists to get her slave branding back encapsulates my fetish. I think it's less about being limitless or exposed to a lot of sexual acts, it's more about a higher level of devotion on my side and a sort of benevolence for me as their property on my fantasy master side. Their feelings for me stems partly because they spent so much time training and perfecting my mannerisms, service and devotion to their liking.And this just doesn't translate well to real life stuff, unfortunately most of the content about this I found in English is either porn or trad wife/misogyny accounts.If I have wanted to describe my ideal kind of men it would be someone kind and gentle or even a little shy and clumsy who comes to show their dominant side to me. Everyone likes gaps and so do I.
>>79723238You don't want to be brutalized but you do want a man to rough you up and spit in your mouth. ok. so you do want to be brutalized. so tiring. I hate that girls are into this
>>79713152i love this question>>79712539DREAM level of submission is simply doing everything he wants. That means him controlling everything from what I wear, when and how we have sex, punishments which could be humiliating or painful, choosing my weight & eating habits, and even things I'm probably not into but that he'd potentially be into like controllng my bathroom habits or him being able to sleep with other girls. This amount of submission requires of course finding someone who is not a complete psychopath that would use this level of power to seriously harm me.I've wanted a 24/7 power exchange relationship for a very long time, but note this doesn't mean doing sexual stuff 24/7. It just means always knowing he is in control over me.That all being said I have a boyfriend and I'm seemingly into this power exchange fantasy more than he is, but he does do some level of it. That's why I love the "prison dom" question. I feel like I'm unintentionally forcing him to be more dom than he naturally is.
>>79713810Why can't I find you instead of endless streams of women who want to be a recipient of abuseI have so much tender love to give and kills me that those who I want to give it to, would rather me be cruel to them
>>79713810this is pretty close to my style of domming as long as you accept "good little slut" as a form of praise
Does anyone have any tips for finding a girl who ISN'T submissive? She doesn't have to be dominant, just not submissive. I don't want at all to be in any kind of relationship with the type of girl in this thread. How do I find one? do they exist?
>>79724359do you want a girl who just isn't into sex or what?
>>79724359They do exist but I haven't dated a girl who isn't submissive and then not dominant in replacement of that. I think if you are looking for a girl who is neither submissive or dominant you'd have to find one who just is not that interested in sex at this point.Majority of people have been exposed to bdsm in one way or another at point and will often have non-standard sexual turn ons.
>>79724359>She doesn't have to be dominantLiar. every r9k male is a sub who wants to be pegged and that's why they're on r9k
>>79724402true and even if you don't start out that way hanging out here long enough will eventually turn you into that.
>>79724412The thing I don't get however is why so many men are sub or neutral, while so many women are sub.Shouldn't they have evolved in a more complementary manner to each other?aka if 99% of women are born submissive, then 99% of men should be born dominantbut instead it's like 99% of women are born submissive, and like 80% of men are born neutral with even 20% or more being disgusted by how submissive women want to be
>>79723902>was exposed to specific instances of media that showed slaves being bought and kept by good people. I'm obsessed with the aesthetics of being a slave, shackles and collars and branding and speech control and bowing and kneeling.Nice.
>>79724402I said she didn't have to be. not that I wouldn't prefer her to be
>>79724379>>79724391I would rather have a girl who isn't into sex than a submissive girl. My fantasies are primarily romantic in any case. Like those of that Nona above who wanted a devoted bf in the day, and a rapist at night. But without the second part.I wouldn't mind if a girl wanted to be dominant with me but it's not a requirement.
>>79724510what if she had sex with other people, would you be okay with that?
>>79722274I'm a "switch" in that I can see the appeal of being in the submissive role and I like being able to see sexuality from all angles, not that I'd be disappointed if my gf were purely a sub. my attitude is that being eclectic in this way actually makes you a better dom but for some reason a lot of subs run away the second they hear someone is a switch so I just wouldn't bring it up if it's not relevant.
>>79724548In theory I could accept a sub gf if she didn't want ME to be the dom. Probably not my ideal. It sounds from this thread like the sexual and romantic is strongly linked from most women, so if she subbed to him, she would probably love him more than me. That would truly intolerable. She would have to love me way more for it to be acceptable.
>>79724359A lot of girls are kinda vanilla, just not dominant.
>>79725772I think that's an assumption men make.If you actually ask these women, they probably have fantasies of being dominated but are just too shy about it.I feel confident about this because when someone asks whether women are submissive, women reply and say they are (like in this thread)Whenever someone asks if there are women who are vanilla, MEN reply and say yes there are. Women never reply to say they are. thus I can only conclude that the vanilla woman is a fantasy of the man
>>79713806so rape?wham
>>79725827>If you actually ask these women, they probably have fantasies of being dominated but are just too shy about it.True but it's probably like MILD domination. Not being punched, spit on or whatever. I guess most women like an assertive man who pins them down sometimes and looks deep into their eyes and kisses their neck and MAYBE pulls their hair a little. You know? Like mild levels of dominance not the hardcore stuff.
>>79724268>That all being said I have a boyfriend and I'm seemingly into this power exchange fantasy more than he is, but he does do some level of it. That's why I love the "prison dom" question. I feel like I'm unintentionally forcing him to be more dom than he naturally is.I think this is pretty common, unfortunately. I read just other posts from women saying that they would love to dip deeper into BDSM and be more submissive, suggest it to their men and they are kind of on board and indulge it here or there... but they can tell it's not the guys PASSION or CRAVING to do.Honestly in my opinion that I stated already is that most men are vanilla (so neutral? but will entertain you if you want to for your sake) or submissive/switch. When I act dominant I got so many guys around me excited and interested. Lol. So yeah, true male doms who don't just do it to get laid, to appease their girlfriends or because society expects it are probably like 5% of the male population? Just a rough guess from me.
>>79725879It's the same psychological root so it still bothers me and I still don't want to do it
>>79726231ok and facesitting?
>>79726109Hot pic.Anon (likely femanon), the only copium I have is that anime exists, where in 95% of it there is a guy walking around with a harem that acts submissive towards him.Therefore somewhere out there are guys who appreciate subservient girlfriends, even if it never is necessarily going into hardcore bdsm stuff or something.It still is enough for me that a guy would want a girl to be cute and subby enough towards him to warrant headpats. so that's what i try to be
>>79726109>When I act dominant I got so many guys around me excited and interested.That's because it's maybe the first time they've ever felt desired. And I'm sure some of them don't dom because it's something that can look/sound like a crime without context.
>>79726231if you were a true sub to women you'd do what makes them feel good, and therefore you'd dom them.
>>79726109>or submissive/switchfor fuck's sake, stop lumping those things together. they're not remotely the same; I keep explaining why but you don't listen.literally, the guys who have the hardcore lifestyle dom fantasies that you'd be into are more likely than average to also be into subbing, basically because all different types of kinks correlate. it's just about being imaginative and having a deep interest in your partner's experience; that's what makes people want to explore sexual dynamics outside the norm, whether it's role reversal or extreme maledom or whatever else.the same part of myself that's gratified by making a woman feel completely in thrall to me is also gratified by making a woman feel powerful. I just get pleasure from making people feel things and building a deeper sexual rapport that becomes addictive or trance-like.
>>79727849My point was simply that purely DOM men without any desire to also sexually submit and explore femdom are very rare. What is the issue? Yet women who are PURELY subs and have 0% femdom desires are very common if not the majority. How come? If it's just about what you said about kinks correlating?
>>79726109>When I act dominant I got so many guys around me excited and interested.why do you do it if you're a sub, are you just hoping that some guys will see it as a challenge and try to turn the tables on you? because I bet a lot of the guys who show interest when you take initiative are actually hoping to do that. a lot of others though really just want to know that they can please you, and you being in the dom role makes their job easier because they can just be told what to do instead of having to come up with it themselves and know how to handle risks and contingencies while maintaining frame.really, the reason why most guys aren't dom enough for you is just because it's a lot of work and they'd have to be really invested in it to want to go to all the effort. I personally think it's worth it because I think a good sexual dynamic is one of the most important things in a relationship and I want to be very secure in that, but a lot of guys just think that any relationship that's good on the surface must be good overall and doesn't demand anything more from them.
I just want to assfuck women of every color. Is that wrong?
>>79727962I'm just naturally a bossy, dominant person in my normal life. I'm also tall and fit. So I don't act like this to challenge men, I act like this because that's what I am like in a non-sexual context.
>>79727849No, I can't sub. I physically and psychologically cannot do it.I'm very much into hard-core Bdsm and I genuinely don't get how to submit. It seems like something impossible for me as a male. I can't pretend to be weak willed or dominated because it's not real.
>>79727452>Hot pic.<3>It still is enough for me that a guy would want a girl to be cute and subby enough towards him to warrant headpats. so that's what i try to beYeah, it can work. Do you think your boyfriend would like to get dominated sometimes too lowkey or no interest at all? I have that in the back of my mind always bugging me if they can't outright say they have these cravings.
>>79725857Yeah thatNoncon > being submissive
>>79725857rapeful seduction
>>79729052>Do you think your boyfriend would like to get dominated sometimes too lowkey or no interest at all? Haha yes. My boyfriend for instance told me ONE time years ago that he sometimes massages his butthole while masturbating.I first hated hearing that because I assumed that meant he wants to be pegged or he's secretly a gay sub even. But after years of reading smut, seeing varietiies of porn and whatever else, I'm more openminded to the idea of entertaining it without necessarily fearing that it will send him down a subby rabbithole.Another thing is sometimes he'll send me porn and it will frequently feature girls who are more or less taking control in bed, like cowgirl riding the guy and telling him what positions to do and what to do next, while the guy just acts like a dick bot basically. He has yet to send me anything of actual femdom (or anything with male being dommed by either sex) in the years I've known him. I wouldn't be upset if he were into femdom (as I too can see the appeal of it) but I would be upset if he were into gay stuff basically.And I notice that a lot of guys who are into femdom use it as an excuse to participate in some very questionably gay stuff, almost like it's a gateyway into just coming out as gay. Same with cuck genre. Luckily my bf hasn't expressed cuck interests ...
>>79729052By the way, despite me being 99% subby, I do sometimes have the sincere urge to dress my boyfriend in feminine clothing and dominate him (as in just being very forward and controlling and teasing, maybe tying him up and basically 'forcing' an orgasm from him).I have a bigger fantasy however for if he were to dress in feminine clothing and be dominant on me from the start. guys are just really cute and it's a shame if they don't use their dicks in a dominant way. Anyway I've expressed the generic desire to my boyfriend of seeing him in girl clothing and he's actually hesitantly agreed to do it (after some heavy explaining on my end), but we have never actually gotten around to it. Also part of me still primally worried that I'll convert him from dom to sub on accident if I push this.
>>79729493>My boyfriend for instance told me ONE time years ago that he sometimes massages his butthole while masturbating.Oh man, I would also question and terrorize my boyfriend about his butthole habits. He said he's not interested in any of it but you never know... I guess I have a similar fear like you about the gay stuff. Seeing all the sissies, cucks and bisexuals on 4chan did a number on my brain. But it actually happened to a friend of mine that she found out her masculine chad bf crossdressed and used dildos in private.>Another thing is sometimes he'll send me porn and it will frequently feature girls who are more or less taking control in bed, like cowgirl riding the guy and telling him what positions to do and what to do next, while the guy just acts like a dick bot basically.Dickbot. That's funny hahaha>>79729556>I have a bigger fantasy however for if he were to dress in feminine clothing and be dominant on me from the start.Anime deceived us. It has so many pretty guys or feminine guys even who are still highly dominant. I fear in real life that's almost doesn't exist. I never seen a purely dominant crossdresser or "cute and pretty" boy. They are always somewhat bisexual or want to get pegged, something along the line. And I mean nothing wrong with that just saying anime and manga deceived me.>Also part of me still primally worried that I'll convert him from dom to sub on accident if I push this.I don't think this can happen. But that's just my personal opinion, though I feel people can't be actually changed from what they already are. My guess is that most men lowkey want to be dominated or ravaged or tap into their feminine side or explore their prostate but they won't admit it and just pretend to be the dom. It's kind of a bummer but it is what it is.
>>79712539Why does she look so fucking massive are men actually attracted to that? Do men want to feel tiny?
>>79729712>Seeing all the sissies, cucks and bisexuals on 4chan did a number on my brainSAME. Something that comforted me though is that there are often threads on /lgbt/ of "straight femboys" or "straight MTFs". (There are also subreddits for this) The fact that that exists at all makes me feel relieved and happy that, despite all the gay shit, there can STILL be people determinedly not-gay who are into those things, who in the end still crave hetero relationships above all else, just while expressing themselves in a feminine manner. And that's actually pretty hot to me! I think if I dated again I'd be very open to a "mommydom femboy/MTF" for instance. They are out there!
>>79729712Do you have experiences with a dom bf surprising you with signaling secret submission? Or is it just a suspicion that you always carry without direct evidence?
>>79730002her mass is in all the right places is the thing, and the pose she's taking is a very submissive one, giving her entire body to the guymost guys don't care about size as long as you aren't obese or anorexic, they want you to be sweet attentive submissive and reciprocali'm guessing the girl in that picture is those 4 things more than she is massive
>>79730420> there can STILL be people determinedly not-gay who are into those things,I think people in 2024 consider being attracted to dick (on trannies) or wanting to get fucked by a dragon dildo is straight. Even in those gay sex communities I see men: "I am straight, but I NEED COCK tonight" hahaha I can't....>>79730435>Do you have experiences with a dom bf surprising you with signaling secret submission? Or is it just a suspicion that you always carry without direct evidence?I kind of made the experience in life that when I acted dominant or seemed very tolerant that the men around me (in communities, friends) would seem pretty receptive. Honestly never had anyone be against it... especially after the first tsundere resistance crumbles down. And then add to the fact that femdom porn, ass play or assertive female characters are so popular yet "maledom" content isn't that popular for men in like fetish studies or just if you check communities where women complain that their boyfriends aren't dominant or actually they find out they're subs. At this point I just believe most humans are either neutral or lean towards sub if they had to pick.
>>79730420Do people actually think those people are gay for the most part?That's so hard to believe for me, when I think about "gay" I think about picrel.
>>79730564Have you ever actually had a dom boyfriend though? It is one of the warmest feelings ever to have your submissiveness positively reinforced by their praise and their horniness.I would absolutely agree that the majority of men are submissive or open to being submissive. But when you find a male who seems genuinely dominant, few things are better. unless he's a psychopath
>>79730761What do you mean?are you saying the sissy posters who publicly fantasize about sucking cock are not actually gay?
>>79730842In my experience almost none of them are.All these "femboy" people are mostly bisexual. I in fact never once heard of a gay one.
>>79730814>Have you ever actually had a dom boyfriend though?Oh yeah, my boyfriend is sexually dominant and has not shown any homosexual or submissive desires at all but I don't consider him to be a normal person at all. He's pretty unusual so I don't take him as the norm.>It is one of the warmest feelings ever to have your submissiveness positively reinforced by their praise and their horninessAbsolutely.
>>79730814Have you ever had a dom boyfriend yourself? How dom should he be?
>>79731189oh, I've only experienced 'true' dom bf behavior exclusively online.I've never dated someone IRL who called himself actually dom. But IRL boyfriend, despite not ever understanding being a "born dom", acts pretty dom. Just in a more casual way. If I try to ask him to do more obsessive stuff he will act mostly uninterested, which is disappointing but overall okay with me.>How dom should he be?I like the idea of someone very controlling of day-to-day habits. not necessarily sexually based stuff, just obedience training more like.
>>79731707I knew some people who kept falling in love with highly controlling arseholes though, not necessarily sexually but the kind of>You can't talk to anyone but meTypes.One wasn't even "allowed" to go online any more, who was by the way actually a unicorn dating a couple in the usual way, as in a person dating a couple who was basically treated like the third wheel in a relationship. Supposedly the internet ban was for "healing".
>>79731735What sort of stuff does your bf like to do then? </slightgoonposting>
>>79729712I'm sorry it's a "bummer" to you that men are more psychologically complex than your stupid fantasy literature and don't want to rapbot dominate you 100% of the time.I really start to feel resentful of women when I read this conversation chain. Let men be people, not just men.
>>79731890I don't have, and never had, a boyfriend.Even the requirement of>You can't fuck anyone but meIs too much for me. Also, sex inside of a relationship feels like an obligation so it kind of ruins the excitement.
>>79732429if it makes you feel any better most women aren't pornbrained like this and are easy to satisfy if you know what you're doing (which most men don't though). also sometimes the pornbrained ones are the most fun ones if they're self-aware and mature about it.
>>79732754>also sometimes the pornbrained ones are the most fun ones if they're self-aware and mature about it.yup, people who are both pornbrained and insecure are the worst people ever though.
>>79732935It's difficult because it seems like so many of the most engaged women online are pornbrained ultra-submissivesIt makes me very paranoid that most (or even all) women are that way. Then I start to feel despairing.
i have a passive and timid personality. although i like to think of myself as vanilla, submission comes easy to me because of my temperament. i would prefer to just let go and not overthink things, to let him make decisions and take control. it would be easier. as for limits? i suppose that would be for him and i to find out together
>>79732429anon, the natural act of sex itself is already 99% dominant act for the male towards the female. you can't avoid it unless YOU try really hard to be a 'sub' via making her tie you up or whatever. and then you would be a hypocrite for being 'pornbrained'
>>79733077....why on earth would that be?
>>797331511. almost all men are stronger than almosrt all womenhttps://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/4vcxd0/almost_all_men_are_stronger_than_almost_all_women/2. you can rape a woman at any time. even if you stick your cock in her pussy consensually, you have the ability to hold her down and continue against her will when she says stop.3. you are the thruster, the giver. she is the receiver. YOU control 90% of how the sex goes and feels.4. aside from STDs you risk nothing. she risks everything from injury due to you penetrating too hard or being too wide or long, to pregnancy. if you wanted, you could get her pregnant every year against her will.Women don't like dominating men for the mostpart because it's unrealistic and unnatural. A man can kill them at literally any time.
>>79733166>https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/4vcxd0/almost_all_men_are_stronger_than_almost_all_women/No, almost all males have stronger grip strength than almost all females of the same age. You will notice that the average grip strength of an 80 year old male is actually about the same as an average female in the prime of life and there's a reason the grip strength is constantly cited to make this point, because it doesn't show up as pronounced in say how much weight they can lift, or leg force power which the same research also tested. They basically specifically pick the one metric in a research of many metrics, that showed the biggest discrepancy.>2. you can rape a woman at any time. even if you stick your cock in her pussy consensually, you have the ability to hold her down and continue against her will when she says stop.Anon, you can always do this. This is like saying two persons of the opposite sex talking makes one dominant, or that helping someone in a wheelchair does.>you are the thruster, the giver. she is the receiver. YOU control 90% of how the sex goes and feels.Since when? Or do you actually believe every female starfishes or something?>4. aside from STDs you risk nothing. she risks everything from injury due to you penetrating too hard or being too wide or long, to pregnancy. if you wanted, you could get her pregnant every year against her will.No, because people use birth control.Anyway, this is silly, anyone can also bite anyone's ear of during sex in theory or when talking to someone decide to stab him with a hidden knife. These are all very theoretical things. People in general just don't... decide to hurt each other.It's like saying people who drive a car have dominance of people on the sidewalk because in theory they could at any moment take a turn and commit vehicular murder, yeah in theory they could.>A man can kill them at literally any time.Anyone can kill anyone with a hidden weapon at any point.
any femanons here into bladder control?I want to humiliate you and bully you
>>79733216Sorry, but men are stronger than women and could kill a woman at literally any time whereas if a woman tried to kill a man, she would be overpowered the vast majority of the time."but a woman could have a gun" is just proving my point further since you have to bring guns into it to give women a chance.Face it. femdom porn is just LARPing. it's a man deciding to submit to himself. He has complete control of the environment and is basically begging to be dominated. It is not and never is a natural event for a woman to actually dominate a man. It always has to come from the man's desire for it to ever even be able to happen. Whereas since the dawn of humans, women have been legitimately being raped by men and actually having to accept it.
>>79733166This is such a one dimensional and plain way of looking at why people are into power dynamics. I've always scored in the 90% in sub/slave in any bdsm test I've taken yet I fucking despise aggressive men and I don't mind being a service top. It's because it's not about raw power and how scared and intimidating I find men, it's because everyone is turned on by a different set of characteristics. Both sides of this conversation are incredibly dumb. Find a person you connect with and then explore yourselves to find what works for you both. Making up all inclusive statements about what women and men like in general will not help you in that endeavor.
>>79723238you literally said in your other post you want to be raped you stupid cunt
>>79724268>i want a psychopath with no regard for my dignity as a human being to be my boyfriend but he can't be a total psychopath who will actually follow that line of behavior to its logical conclusion and 'seriously harm me'i actually believe some of these posts are actual women with how fucking stupid, contradictory and degenerate they are, there's one thing those goat fucker muslims are right about and that's beating women and putting them in burqas so we don't have to deal with their retarded psychological and sexual propensities
>>79733320you are just mad that they don't want to peg youand the concept of wanting someone who's into sadism sexually but still having restraint is not as foreign as you are pretending it istry thinking more
>>79733309It wasn't a post about WHY people are into power dynamics though. It was just a post pointing out that the act of sex between man and woman is in itself a naturally, physically dominant act in itself for the man. Similar to how if a strong man fks a weak man's butt, that is a physically dominant act in itself. All femdom stuff requires the consent and planned setup of the male, which takes away any of the natural dominance of the act.People are still into femdom for many reasons but let's not act like it isn't the biggest act, akin to a parent letting their child beat them in a wrestling match.
>>79712539Not as related but being snatched up by a man as he slowly morphs me into his submissive housewife is so fucking hot
>>79733244>Sorry, but men are stronger than women and could kill a woman at literally any time whereas if a woman tried to kill a man, she would be overpowered the vast majority of the time.No anon, ahahaha.Have you ever on the news heard of a murder using bare hands? Who does that.Anon, everyone owns a kitchen knife at least but people usually just shoot people.Anyone can kill anyone because anyone can grab a knife and stab someone. Physical strength doesn't matter shit.Trying to kill someone, even someone weaker than you with brute barehanded strength is stupid because A) why would you when knives are everywhere and B), you may win the fight and kill the other person, but you could leave the fight seriously maimed or blind, the other person will fight for his life and might take out an eye or two before going down.>"but a woman could have a gun" is just proving my point further since you have to bring guns into it to give women a chance.No anon, my point is that virtually all murders happen with weapons. No one kills anyone bare handed these days. When is the last time you heard that on the news?Why would anyone even do that when any house has multiple knives in it. It's not fucking hard to get a hand on a knife, hammer, or crowbar or whatever. Do you actually think murders ever happen with two people fighting over brute strength with the stronger one winning? No, you sneak up on someone with a knife and stab him in the back.
>>79733401How much of your sex is had in which both people have weapons on them? Also sorry but it is just the truth that:-if a man wanted to rape a woman, he could-if a woman wanted to rape a man, he would have to be magically weaker than her (not happening) or have him vulnerable in some other way like drugged out of his mind.You are basically in denial.At this point I don't even know what your point is. that women are as strong as men because they can use objects and planning?this is about the act of sex
>>79733393This is all I want. Women make shit so difficult, literally all you have to do is cook good food, put in some effort in sex, and tell your man you love him and a man will move mountains for you.
>>79733377I see nothing by definition dominant in the act of penetrative sex. I can see myself pegging my Dom as an act of service, because if you think about it presenting service and effort for the pleasure of the other- which is what topping is- can be interpreted as a submissive act. This is why what you define as submission is widely different between people, it can be about being physically overpowered, it can be offering services, it can be about humiliation or many many different things. The acts themselves are just acts. The meanings people create in their context is what defines how they're interpreted and that is deeply personal in the context of a relationship or a negotiated scene. I cannot put into words how much I hate it when people reduce the desire for submission to a desire for blind aggression and abuse. There's much more that goes into it on both sides of any D/s or SM act.
>>79733438This but I think I should elaborate: When I say snatched, I mean kidnapped. "Drugged and thrown into a trunk" snatched.
>>79733458will you let me humiliate you with my piss kink?
>>79733401>Have you ever on the news heard of a murder using bare hands? Who does that.Spoken like someone who has never been a woman being choked by their boyfriend in his sudden act of rage, and the woman having to fear for her life.
>>79733431>How much of your sex is had in which both people have weapons on them?The murder part wasn't responding to any sex talk any more. It was about literally being able to kill someone at any time.You've clearly never been in an actual fight with someone either weaker or stronger. There's a very good reason murders happen as they do. As I said, even you be significantly stronger, you're not going to walk away unscathed from a fight with someone fighting for his life. I have ended up having to restrain people who were weaker than I a couple of times and this is no joke even with 9 year old children who are very angry. Yeah sure, I could've killed them if it came down to it but trying not to get hurt from a 9 year old child actually fighting with all his might trying to hurt and bite you is already no joke.Consider this: would you fight something as simple as a cat to the death if you had the choice? A cat stands no chance against a human being but you're going to walk away with the deepest cuts from his claws you had in your life though you'll probably kill it.>this is about the act of sexNo, you turned it into anyone can kill anyone and that argument had nothing to do with sex. You have absolutely no idea how real fights work against anything that's literally fighting for its life.
>>79733232what exactly are you into regarding it? i'm taken but i like hearing about kinks
>>79733480>sudden act of rageI guarantee you, you deserved it
>>79733485You could always cheat.I don't know what kick-started it for me but I really enjoy making women hold their pee until they physically can't anymore. That loss of control and desperation is so hot to me. I also enjoy being peed on and peeing on girls but completely degrading a woman into making a mess of herself is so fucking hot. Aftercare is important though, I always help clean up.
>>79733483>No, you turned it into anyone can kill anyoneWasn't that you that turned the convo into that? You brought up wheelchairs and cars. Lol. I was only describing how the act of PIV sex between a man and a woman has by definition a dominant and a submissive, by the physical nature of it. Of course this can be somewhat worked around by personal internal philosophies and introduction of objects but I'm just talking in terms of the pure physical act itself. Big being mounts small being, IS in control of the situation as much as they desire and can have its way. The end.
>>79733439You keep saying "people", "people", as if there's some equality in this, that anyone can play any role - but you and every other woman in this thread (and in real life) identifies exclusively as a submissive.But no, the physical reality of sex difference has NOTHING to do with this.
>>79712539>Should he have any limits with you?YesI don't want someone to forcefully penetrate my holes, I can't even take dick properly, it hurts
>>79733516That's pretty hot. Are you into diapers?
>>79733534>Wasn't that you that turned the convo into that? You brought up wheelchairs and cars. Lol.No, you added that at the end of the conversation in your own post which had nothing to do with sex any more and then responded to only that rather than the actual sex parts.People being able to kill each other applies to any facet of life and has nothing specifically to do with sex. As I said, by this logic walking on the sidewalk is submissive because in theory people in cars can always kill you and thus are "dominant" over you. That's obviously silly because it's an extremely unlikely thing.It has nothing to do with sex but being in the same room, some of the other arguments pertained to sex specifically, and I also address those, but you ignored that rebuttal and purely focused on the physical strength part.
>>79733557You can read posts in this thread and there's a variety of fantasies and desires expressed in them. Even then, how would or could that translate to a real world act would be even more nuanced. What I mean by people is individuals. Individuals can find very different flavors of submission and domination interesting. I'm sure everyone knows about the bdsm test, but this survey breaks it down in a more interesting way imo: https://aella.substack.com/bdsm-subtypes-and-their-prevalenceBdsm is just an all encompassing term for a variety of kinks, and people often mix up being on the receiving end of something as submitting, but they're different concepts. If you asked them if they wanted to be at the receiving end of something a high percentage of men and women would answer yes, but the severity of the act and the undertones of them is very widely different between individuals which is what I'm targeting when I use the word "people".
>>79733593There are a variety of fantasies expressed... that are all 100% about being psychologically and physically submissive to a stronger male.It's kind of a tangent, but I notice this all the time in these kinds of conversations. That a woman will be personally into something, but INSIST that there are other women who aren't. And every woman says exactly this.Like "yes, my personal fantasies primarily revolve around being forcibly overpowered by a stronger male. but there are definitely some women who don't want that!" and the next woman says the same thing. And the next. You can only read so many of these before concluding they're just fundamental to female psychology.
>>79733574ironically not really but I wouldn't mind having a girl into diapers. I got to experiment with it though. Had a gf also into pee and we tried out her wearing diapers. Was pretty fun getting her to wet herself in public without it being obvious.
Here's my >>79733166 postLet me clarify then. "A man can kill them any time [including during sex, which is why it is relevant to the act of sex]". Your reply >>79733216 was just weird with denying male strength over females, bringing up dominance in non-sexual situations like conversations. >StarfishesRelevant but no I mean that since the guy is the penetrator + is stronger than her, he has more control over how the sex goes (rhythm, force, and depth of thrusting, being able to pin them OR order them to be more enthusiastic, etc). Can choose to be gentle OR internally wound them.>No, because people use birth control.Birth control is not 100% effective > anyone can also bite anyone's ear of during sex in theoryyeah okay but if you do that as a woman to a man during sex, you risk being murdered immediatelywhereas if a woman has her ear bitten off by a man during sex she knows she's going to be murdered if she fights back basicallylike there is hardly ever an answer for women to be more powerful than men during sex other than her already having a weapon or planAnd all of this is just to, again, assert that sex between man and women is the woman giving control to a man, willingly or not.Whereas femdom OTOH is pretty much always, due to the physical differences between men and women, consensual LARPing. Which is fine if you are into that.But don't be mad or surprised that the majority of women are into being dominated when nature is the way it is. If women naturally hated being dominated then a lot of them would naturally hate sex itself as a resulte.
>>79733659Did I ever deny the popularity of classically desirable male traits? Or is that how you want to read my post?Obvious things are obvious. Classically attractive people are more likely to be centered in fantasies. Another obvious commonality in male and female fantasies is we're both under massive amounts of stress in our daily lives, so escapist fantasies of running away from control and responsibilities are very common. I've never denied the popularity of physical attraction or the loss of control and responsibility.But here's the main point, in the fucking "submissive female" thread, where submissive women are posting the kind of submission they like has different main components and trends. It's pretty much the same thing between general population too. The core of the fetish isn't just the overpowering, non con/rape is a variant of submissive fetishes. A very popular one, but not the only popular fetish. I already posted a link with a significant number of respondent to prove my point, reducing power dynamics and SM to "men are physically stronger" is missing why submissive women are into it.
>>79733695>Your reply >>79733216 (You) was just weird with denying male strength over females, bringing up dominance in non-sexual situations like conversations.No, I never denied that, I just said it's bizarre to say that implies sexual submission because it has nothing to with sex, by this logic:>Talking to someone stronger than you is submissive. Is my grandfather being submissive to me for asking me how my day was because I could kill him at any moment?>Walking on the sidewalk is submissive because a car driver could decide to take a turn and kill one at any moment>The dentist visit I just had was submissive because the dentist could easily decide to stap me with any of those tools at any momentPeople just normally don't do that, the chance is so small that it's weird to even bring it up and it has nothing to do with sex in particular, only with being in close proximity to one another.>Relevant but no I mean that since the guy is the penetrator + is stronger than her, he has more control over how the sex goes (rhythm, force, and depth of thrusting, being able to pin them OR order them to be more enthusiastic, etc). Can choose to be gentle OR internally wound them.Anon, I have the feeling you operate from the assumption that the female is not thrusting back. I guess it works that way with doggystyle because it's just not anatomically easy that way but it doesn't work that way otherwise.
>>79733765But sex is a position where two people are intimately and literally connected... that's why the strength of the participants is very relevant and why rape or being murdered *is* an actual danger that people, and most particularly women, have to worry about when agreeing to sex with anyone.A conversation isn't a physical act (though a conversation alone at night can be scary since it can turn physical but that gets into irrelevant territory). But you are trying to take the physicality away from an already-intensely-physical act.Saying male strength over female strength has nothing to do with sex is therefore weird/denial-y to me.>Anon, I have the feeling you operate from the assumption that the female is not thrusting back. True they can control in that regard just like they can control everything in cowgirl. It's not really my overall point though...
>>79733796>But sex is a position where two people are intimately and literally connected... that's why the strength of the participants is very relevant and why rape or being murdered *is* an actual danger that people, and most particularly women, have to worry about when agreeing to sex with anyone.Anon, you can walk up to someone. If males are faster then this shouldn't matter.And you certainly can't outrun a car so again, walking on the sidewalk is submissive.Also, my grandfather needs to walk with a rollator and he's never ever going to outrun me, so yeah, his coming over is an act of submission by this logic. Basically, going out on the street ever is because there's always going to be at least one person there stronger than you, not to mention all the cars.>But you are trying to take the physicality away from an already-intensely-physical act.Yeah, because it doesn't matter for the risk; they're faster and they'll catch up if they want to kill you.>Saying male strength over female strength has nothing to do with sex is therefore weird/denial-y to me.My point is that it literally applies to very walk of life, it's not specific to sex, by this logic being alive in a town and not being strongest person there is an act of submission which is silly.>True they can control in that regard just like they can control everything in cowgirl. It's not really my overall point though...Well you said supposedly the penetrator controls the pace and all that which isn't really how it happens except with a starfisher, you sort of organically synchronize on it in practice.I will also never understand this common idea that it has something to do with being on top, it really doesn't. You can thrust upwards just as easily when lying down though yeah, I guess doggy style and lying face down on the belly kind of makes it hard.
>>79733821You are getting once again pretty obscure to try to make your point.Just because weakness and strength exists in another contexts of life, does not mean that in a context of life that is extremely physical that it is NOT extremely relevant in that extremely physical context.For example, if I talk about how strength and body size matters in wrestling, you could be like "Oh but strength differences also exist in conversations between people!" and it's like "yeah.. okay... but it still matters more in the context of wrestling because wrestling is in itself a physical act"Where we are maybe diverging is the question of "Does weakness/strength have a natural link to submission/dominance in a physical submission?" I say yes, you say no. Correct? Then, we can agree to disagree in that regard.
>>79733574do you wear diapers anon, I've been horny for hours and want to cum to the thought of some fembot being gross for me
>>79733065>as for limits? i suppose that would be for him and i to find out togetherGood attitude.
>>79733858>Just because weakness and strength exists in another contexts of life, does not mean that in a context of life that is extremely physical that it is NOT extremely relevant in that extremely physical context.It's a reductio ad absurdum anon.My point is to illustrate that if your logic be consistently applied, pretty much everything one does is submissive.Do you also think my grandfather is being submissive to me when I visit him for instance? If no, then explain how it's different with sex.>For example, if I talk about how strength and body size matters in wrestling, you could be like "Oh but strength differences also exist in conversations between people!" and it's like "yeah.. okay... but it still matters more in the context of wrestling because wrestling is in itself a physical act"Where we are maybe diverging is the question of "Does weakness/strength have a natural link to submission/dominance in a physical submission?" I say yes, you say no. Correct? Then, we can agree to disagree in that regard.It actually matters a lot more in wrestling because people actually /engage/ each other there with it.The chance of someone trying to kill me during sex is infinitesimally small, just like the chance that I'll randomly decide to kill my grandfather is so it really doesn't matter.
>>79712539To the women in this thread: Why are you sexually submissive? When dis you first discover that you were sexually submissive?Did an event in your life trigger your sexually submissiveness and was that event a positive or negative experience?Are you submissive to your male partner outside of sexual matters?And lastly, what are your opinions of men who are aroused by sexual submissive women, in consensual sexual engagements of course?
>>79733960>Do you also think my grandfather is being submissive to me when I visit him for instance? I actually think he IS physically submissive to you in any instance when he is physically present in the room with you. If you fought him for some reason, it would be an extremely unfair fight and you'd be labeled a monster. He IS technically at the physical mercy of you randomly snapping and charging him. He DOES have to watch what he says to not enrage you to avoid the chances of being physically attacked.Two people just being in the same room together is still different of course than the context of sex between people because the physicality is already a constantly present element in the act of sex, rather than a potential element of [no sex but physically next to each other].>The chance of someone trying to kill me during sex is infinitesimally smallOkay but the chance of a woman being assaulted, raped, or murdered during sex is not infinitesimally small.And the chances of people using their strength in general during sex (usually for consensual kink purposes) is rather large even, and usually a desired part of the act. It's not like showing dominance through strength plays a non-factor during regular sex, it is extremely common, like pinning wrists to bed or light choking or giving commands. It's weirder when a woman does it because it is more physically unnatural.
>>79733871i don't wear diapers but I think it would be hot to be forced to wear them (peeing purposes only) due to being withheld permission to go to the bathroom normally
>>79734120if you piss yourself, you gotta wait till we get home to change. Good girls don't pee themselves, so bad girls have to sit in their own piss until I'm ready to go home
>>79734008It's not just sexually, and my answer to why has changed throughout the years, but I think the thought of providing a partner with service or being humiliated or restricted in a way that makes them feel in charge and control turns me on or makes me feel good, in a sexual and non sexual context. I can't decouple the two.
>>79733314>>79723341You're mixing me up with the other femanon I just replied to the post. I am not into being spat on or anything dom I am just normal I want to feel good and have someone encourage that for me and we could feel good together without all of the bullshit.Maybe a little bit of "good girl" here and there and that's it.
>>79734147What do you think of the allegation made by many feminists that it's the patriarchy which has turned some women into sexual submissives? Do you think you were made to enjoy sexual submission by the influence, whether direct or indirect, of an external force?
>>79734181I am a feminist, not all subs are tho so the answer will be different for different femsubs. Patriarchy defined by roles performed as norms with no regard for the well being of the men and women under it, but it similarly features people in unequal positions. My ideal dynamic has two people who deeply care for each other and their dynamics isn't roles they perform because they live under a system that defines what they are, because they find their mutual satisfaction in deviancy and power imbalance.>Were you made to enjoyIt's pretty much an open question what causes people to have certain kinks. If I could I would erase patriarchy completely so l could exist in a D/s relationship that isn't just reinforcing roles forced by tyrant systems, but I still believe no one can fully escape from them or deny the influence. I just don't wish to define my ideal relationship with male supremacy or misogyny.
>>79734145Hot desu but too sleepy to reciprocate energy
>>79713768This is the hottest post ITT, why doesn't it get more attention?
>>79734254I don't know what country you live in, patriarchy as you define it hasn't existed for decades in the West, for the past 40 years the overwhelming message to girls that school and the media have told them is that they can be whoever they want to be, they shouldn't set limitations on themselves, "girl power" basically. If a woman is unhappy in a marriage it's easier than ever for her to divorce. So why are there still the same amount of sexually submissive women who are under-50 years old as over 50 years old?
>>79734263I made the mistake of replying when others were posting femdom shit.
>>79734283Because you can set boundaries and have rights to assure you can safely get out of abuse, so you can have a relationship built around your mutual happiness and pleasure. A system that assures abuse can be sustained just forces women who aren't submissive to remain under abuse and women who are submissive to be unable to communicate their wants and needs.
>>79734008>Why are you sexually submissive? Idk, I think I just popped out the womb a bit fucked in the head. I've had fantasies of submission for as long as I can remember, even before I knew what sex was. Then as I started learning about sex, it just became a bigger and bigger role in my already submissive fantasies. >When dis you first discover that you were sexually submissive?Again, been submissive for as long as I can remember. I remember dreaming of being "a servant who doesn't get paid" when I was like 5 or so (much to the horror of my mother, given that we're black) >Did an event in your life trigger your sexually submissiveness and was that event a positive or negative experience?Nothing that I know of. I might have had some trauma that awakened it before I was old enough to form memories (I was adopted as a toddler, so there might have been something in foster care or whatever), but I have no clue desu. >Are you submissive to your male partner outside of sexual matters?I haven't actually been in a relationship or had sex yet, but ideally yes. My dream would be a level of submission even outside of the bedroom. Like, we'd tone it down around others, but he would clearly have the final say. I want to do all the chores and serve him around the house, I want him to control things like what I wear in public, I want to only be allowed outside if he's accompanying me, I want people to wonder why I'm so quiet when he told me not to speak unless spoken to, I want to get home from an outing and have him beat me for every single misstep I made while we were out, etc. >And lastly, what are your opinions of men who are aroused by sexual submissive women, in consensual sexual engagements of course?They're based. The majority of women are at least a little submissive, so it's only natural that men are turned on by it. imo women being submissive and men being dominant is natural, so this is like asking "what do you think of men who are turned on by pussy?"
>>79734009>I actually think he IS physically submissive to you in any instance when he is physically present in the room with you. If you fought him for some reason, it would be an extremely unfair fight and you'd be labeled a monster. He IS technically at the physical mercy of you randomly snapping and charging him. He DOES have to watch what he says to not enrage you to avoid the chances of being physically attacked.Like I said, by that extremely flimsy definition of "submissive" everything we do in life is submissive so it doesn't really matter any more.I don't think any normal human being is going to call it "submissive" when I visit my grandfather.>Okay but the chance of a woman being assaulted, raped, or murdered during sex is not infinitesimally small.Yeah it is. Of course not with rape but that works in the opposite direction. You technically have sex because they rape you.
>>79734386>a servant who doesn't get paid I had this exact dream, plus when I wasn't needed I had to hide in a closet. I had to wear something embarrassing so I would wear my swimsuit lol. I was sometimes brainwashed too, I don't even remember when and how I learned about brainwashing.
>>79734262I ended up cumming, falling asleep and now I'm back to normal. What was this thread about again
>>79734418I used to dream about being forced to be a servant for all the kids at school and be forced to live in some rundown room that was more like a glorified closet, and be forced to clean and endure abuse and humiliation from all the regular students as I had to obey whatever they said. Also had lots of fantasies involving bathroom stuff. I think I remember seeing a movie on tv once that had a girl whose parents died and since they could no longer pay for her schooling, she had to become a maid at the school. I already had my fetishes and dreams of becoming a school slave beforehand, but that movie definitely left a lasting impact on me. I wish I knew what it was called.
>>79734464Same but I was always more or less alone with one person, it wasn't really public. I watched historical Korean dramas so I kinda wanted to be a personal maid like that. Or something like the mc of spirited away, with the name change and loss of identity and all that.
>>79734505Oh based. I started gravitating to one-on-one stuff as I got a little older and learned what sex was, but still wanted a bit of a public aspect. I would often fantasize of being kidnapped by some mafia boss no one could stop or whoever, and being groomed into being his personal pet and sex slave. He'd often flaunt me publicly through recordings or whatever while making me wear skimpy lingerie, and everyone would be horrified that he was grooming a minor (since I had these fantasies back in middle~high school, I'm obviously an adult now) meanwhile I was living my best life being treated like his personal lap dog in exchange for being his sex slave that he could do whatever he wanted to.
>>79734464>>79734505I'm a man with a maid fetish but I'm not into humiliation or abuse, my maid fantasy is me hiring a beautiful maid for my huge mansion, the maid is shy and awkward at first but then we befriend each other, she comes out of her shell, we fall in love and then marry each other. I'm more into the loving kind of submission. And of course I know that real life employer-maid relationships are unethical because of the monetary power imbalance so I wouldn't act out my maid fetish in real life.
>>79734564I found the idea of sex disgusting until the age of 16, but I was always kinda obsessed with the idea of being obedient and subservient and owned by someone who either opened up to me little by little or was gentle from the start. I don't remember exactly when it started, but I very vividly remember reading "uncle Tom's cabin" when I was like 9 and thinking his main problem was just being owned by cruel people and he would have been happy if his original owner never sold him (slavery wasn't really a thing where I live, so that was all I knew about it at the time).>kidnapped by some mafia boss no one could stop or whoever, and being groomed into being his personal pet and sex slaveMine came from one of the first comics I've read since my sexual "awakening", it was about a girl who messed up her self bondage and someone came over lead her by leash in her hood and gag and arm binder to his own personal dungeon to then train her. In my mind he felt sorry for her and that's been a main thing for me, they do it mainly cause they take pity on me and want to save me from a worse fate (or even threaten me with it). They also make me admit to liking the humiliation and embarrassment, as in "good women don't enjoy these things, you were made for me to do these embarrassing things to"So likewise I'm also secretly thankful to be made that person's sex slave, he just makes me embarrassed to death and forces me to admit it to him and to myself.>>79734571Maid dresses are just cute so not being into them is strange. But you won't even cane her or punish her in anyway? What if she was clumsy?
>>79734689>But you won't even cane her or punish her in anyway? What if she was clumsy?I'd just show her how to do her tasks properly. I don't like being cruel, and if I was courting my maid I'd want her to feel relaxed and comfortable around me, and to admire me. Just out of curiosity, would you be ok with sharing your man with other women, as long as he stayed devoted to you of course?
>>79734152Oh, sorry. I feel better that there is at least one woman in the world who doesn't want these things, then.
>>79734794Have you seen the movie Secretary? What if it would help her in someways to be punished?I have a really hard time answering to this because I'm extremely jealous. I honestly don't know. If it was up to me I would like him to have a humanoid sex robot instead of other women so we could both be his subs/slaves and do threesomes or be tied together.
>>79720918>>79721147>I remember reading a study that most female sub / male dom porn is consumed by women, not men. And that women even watch more violent porn (with the exception of hardcore gore) than men.I find this hard to believehave you seen the comment sections on violent porn?
>>79734834>Have you seen the movie Secretary? What if it would help her in someways to be punished?I haven't, but I just read the plot on wikipedia. I wouldn't really be comfortable using physical punishment against my lover. I guess if my maid kept messing up I would use a reward-orientated strategy whenever she gets tasks right. I understand where you're coming from regarding feeling jealous if you shared your partner, I'd also feel jealous. May I ask how old you are and how has you sexual submissiveness played out in your relationships?
>>79734947I'm 27 and I haven't been in a relationship in the past 7 years lolI never had sex or told my bf years back about this because I was too embarrassed. But I'm pretty sure he knew. We once met years after and he told me that compared to his other gfs I was extremely submissive.
>>79734834Why hasn't James Spader recorded ASMR tapes yet is what I want to know.There has to be market for James Spader whispering dirty words into your ear
>>79721147>even female readers of anime are tranniesthis anime troon pipeline rabbit hole is infinitely deep.
>>79734978Do you discuss your sexual submissiveness with your friends and if so what do they think about that? Why haven't you been in a relationship for quite a while?
>>79732429>I'm sorry it's a "bummer" to you that men are more psychologically complexNah. Being a switch coomer who just likes all kinds of fetishes who wants women, femboys, traps, craves dildos, bondage, CNC, feet, cum, threesomes, midgets and add more to the list doesn't make you deep or complex. If I make a cake and put every ingredient in the kitchen in it the result won't be a complex masterpiece it will taste and look like shit.Furthermore even men who are dominant often lack depth because just being a rape bot or watching facial abuse isn't that sophisticated whatsoever. I get it that most men are more sexually shallow and won't read a long, complex novel about sadomasochistic seduction but your point is dumb either way.
>>79735085Anon, a protagonist that isn't the same sex as the target audience is completely common.Trannies are the only ones who overthink that shit and telling people they're "eggs" because they pick an opposite sex character in World of WarCraft.
>>79735060There is Dom ASMR out there by amature English VA and adult content creators but it feels subpar. No one famous. There's a lot of seiyuu that would make my heart explode if they did something like that.Probably doable with AI, but not exactly ethical so idk.>>79735092No I'm too shy and there's no way to discuss this and not sound weird, I would rather not have my friends not be awkward around me for the rest of my life, I pretend to be borderline disinterested in sex.I'm plain, 4/10 on a good day, zero allure, do not have social media, only interact with men in work and sometimes through 4chan and am probably borderline autistic. I want a committed relationship but the few men who approached me just wanted hook ups. I also never tried, it's too overwhelming to try and attract men.
>>79735265Yeah, maybe the English language culture just doesn't do that. Come to think of it all the shit I listen to is Japanese and I don't know any English ones really.Also, I remember when I was in secondary school we just talked about this stuff. People thought being a masochist who wanted to be used or finding the idea of having sex in public arousing was the most normal thing in the world.Maybe some kind of cultural difference. I sometimes see people on the internet find it so incredulous but in my experience it's super common and normal.
>>79733010>It's difficult because it seems like so many of the most engaged women online are pornbrained ultra-submissivesFirst of all what does ultra submissive even mean? Because even the average woman on r9k isn't "ultra submissive" and having some submissive urges is pretty generic female sexuality.>It makes me very paranoid that most (or even all) women are that way.So outside of 4chan, look at what women like to read and fantasize about in novels, movies or anime.The ideal man is usually powerful, wealthy, TALL and assertive on some level. At least pinning her against a wall type of stuff.That isn't super submissive, but it's also not "non-submissive"... this is just generic female sexuality.Good news is: women tend to be pretty agreeable in relationships and you can bully or guilt trip them into satisfying your male sub urges if you have any. kek
Post more submissive females please, thanks
>>79735294Are you a Japanese woman?
>>79735294It just doesn't sit right with me to listen to something like BL CDs in English, doesn't do it justice.>the most normal thing in the world.Probably cause most of my fetishes are more fringe, like latex/leather bondage, slavery, or chastity and encasement.
>>79735224Marazhai is hot
>>79734386God this is hotNeed to give you my white children
>>79735352No, I just understand it to some degree, far from fluent though.I think a big reason why it's all Japanese is probably also because I use it to improve my Japanese.>>79735355>It just doesn't sit right with me to listen to something like BL CDs in English, doesn't do it justice.There's a strong English fanfic culture though. Think all of the Harry Potter fanfics and stuff but not really a comic book market I guess.>Probably cause most of my fetishes are more fringe, like latex/leather bondage, slavery, or chastity and encasement.Yeah, that's something I noticed too about all these noncon porn comics. They're like the most vanilla noncon imaginable. Sex is forced onto you, but it's like the most normal sex ever in a bedroom in a bed and all the characters look like standard office workers too. Even a bit of hairpulling or cumming in mouth or anal seems to be off limits. It's almost like being into noncon and hearing degrading words into your ear is completely common and normal but all the things you mention aren't.I'd make the characters look more like picrel and do things like public sex, anal and hairpulling into it if I wrote this kind of stuff.
>>79735508I think you can find hardcore stuff in ao3 if you look for the right tags, pixiv is the main hub for jp fanfics if you're an intermediate learner, a site called oreno-erohon was also pretty good mix of ero manga with a little bit of variety. But the combination of a little romance + somewhat hardcore kinks is a little hard to come by. I don't particularly care for non con or public, so the benefits of expressing interest in it or finding high quality content about it is taken for me as a sub.
>>79735224I WRITE novels about sadomasochistic seduction (femdom, sorry girls) so it's not like I'm a stranger to itBeing switchy is not "throwing every ingredient into one cake" it's actually completely essential to understand sadomasochism. Pure subs like you are completely solipsistic. You have zero inkling of the mental process required to be a dom and that's why your comments come across as deeply childish
>>79735718>I WRITE novels about sadomasochistic seduction (femdom, sorry girls) so it's not like I'm a stranger to itThen why make a comment about rapebots? You would know that this isn't what would go into the ideal version of a dominant man for most women.>Being switchy is not "throwing every ingredient into one cake" it's actually completely essential to understand sadomasochism.Please explain to me how the fantasy of a sadistic, attractive male dom can be upheld if sometimes he wants to wear pink panties and get a massive dildo in his ass while he whimpers like a slut. It's just a turn off.I'm very dominant outside of sexual fantasies and I actually enjoy sadism but it just doesn't arouse me. And even in my submissive fantasies I don't wish to serve or to be humiliated. I just like being assertively devoured. So my tastes and desires also differ from other women ITT.
>>79735756>I'm very dominant outside of sexual fantasies Nta, can you answer >>79734008 (if you haven't already, I wish /r9k/ had ids in threads
>>79734434Lol I fell asleep as well and was truly on the verge of falling asleep as I typed my previous reply but I just wanted to say that indeed that dirty talk is f'ing hot and wish my bf would do stuff like that with me. So thanks for existing with that fetish is what I'm saying I guess
>>79735756>Then why make a comment about rapebots? You would know that this isn't what would go into the ideal version of a dominant man for most women. Because that's what you're expecting. A man who is totally driven to dominate with his penis, and any other interest somehow "corrupts" him for you. When actually, most good doms have a sub side by necessity. Most men who are "100% dominant" aren't "dominant", they're psychopaths with critically low empathy. In order to care about a submissive's pleasure you need to be able to put yourself in their position. You don't understand the psychology of sadomasochism or men generally. You only understand the psychology of masochism>I'm very dominant outside of sexual fantasiesNo you aren't. Stop lying to yourself to feel better about your urges
>>79735407>Need to give you my white childrenGod please. I'm definitely into white men. I'm not into stuff being like called racial slurs or whatever, but I think the inherent implications of me being a black woman and submitting to a white man is really hot. Like he could be the sweetest man to every other black person, but the moment he orders me to do something, everyone around us with even half a brain will put two and two together.Also really into bleaching and impregnation. I'm already mixed/light-skinned, so any of my children with a white man would definitely look more white than black, and that's really hot to me. Something about carrying a child for 9 months and going through the pains of labour, only for them to not even look the same race as me. And just in general, being bred is super hot. The moment I get married, I want all my bodily autonomy to be taken away as my partner impregnates me whenever he wants and however many times he wants, with no consideration for if I'm ready to become pregnant or if I want my children. I love the idea of the man having 100% of the say in procreation, yet I'm the one dealing with 100% of the consequences by actually being pregnant. It's what's most natural, for most of history people were procreating by men forcing themselves on women when they felt like it, but it's still so hot to have my autonomy stripped away like that. I think it'd be interesting to be pretty much non-stop pregnant until I hit menopause. Constantly being either pregnant, breastfeeding, or both for the next 1-2 decades sounds fun~
>>79734008>>79735782>Why are you sexually submissive?I'm not sure. I come from a good family with a loving father and I'm pretty dominant IRL. I get into fights with people, I stand my ground, I'm a loner, I tell men who are rude to kill themselves and move on. I do not aim to please. You get the idea. My guess is the some level of sexual submissiveness is the default female programming. If I explore it further and I'm 100% honest with myself it might be some type of narcissism? If you are the delicious prey that puts you into the focus of desire, of attention. Someone craves you, wants you so bad they restrain you and taste you. Seduction, cunning, manipulation. >When dis you first discover that you were sexually submissive?Manga. Straight and gay. I would be flustered when a girl was pushed against a wall, stalked, seduced or if she got restrained.>Did an event in your life trigger your sexually submissiveness and was that event a positive or negative experience?Not that I'm aware of.>Are you submissive to your male partner outside of sexual matters?Absolutely not. I'm know this is probably the "worst of both worlds" to men but I'm kind of like a tyrannical princess outside of my sexual fantasies. But the idea of a patient, gentle man who carries inside of him the controlled potential for violence and molestation is hot to me.>And lastly, what are your opinions of men who are aroused by sexual submissive women, in consensual sexual engagements of course?I think that there should be more men like that in the world because I see a lot of women left unsatisfied. I always thought this is the most natural type of sexuality for a man and I was surprised when I found otherwise.
>>79735799>No you aren't. Stop lying to yourself to feel better about your urgesThere is nothing to lie about here. This idea that dominant people are submissive behind closed doors isn't anything new though. I have no urge to serve. I want to be pleased. My boyfriend has to obey me in daily life.>Because that's what you're expecting. A man who is totally driven to dominate with his penis, and any other interest somehow "corrupts" him for you.How is a sophisticated man with various tastes of sadistic and dominant expression a rapebot? Why can women be 100% submissive and it works just fine but for men the other way around is impossible unless they are broken psychopaths?> In order to care about a submissive's pleasure you need to be able to put yourself in their position.That's just called empathy. It's a basic human trait.
>>79735871Do your friends know about your sexual submissiveness and what do they think about it? Have you managed to date sexually dominant men who can satisfy your sexual preferences?
>>79736072I won't tell my friends because it's way too embarrassing for me.I have only dated one person in my life and we are still a couple. He's very kind and cute in our normal interactions but wants to ravage or punish me otherwise, which is ideal. But I consider myself extremely lucky with him. Talking to my friends about their experiences they often deal with submissive men or guys who are not really here or there.I'm 100% convinced that there is a lack of genuinely dominant men in the dating or sex world and that a lot of the ones who are out there are prison dominant vanilla or switches who perform because no one wants to femdom them.
>>79736148Pic related. You never see "Help! We are both dominant!" but you see "Help! We are both sub" all the time. Nature is a troll, I guess. And in case it's like BUT IT'S REDDIT! You can find the same shit in other communities, 4chan, discord or just asking your friends.
>>79736148>>79736167I'm not submissive, but I'm not really dominant either, if I take the lead I do it in a kind of princely way, opening car doors for my lover, pulling out seats for her, generally making her feel protected. I don't like inflicting pain or humiliation during sex because I view sex as a emotional and physical connection, a shared pleasurable experience where me and my lover make each other feel good, and I think the majority of men feel the same way towards sex. But I'm not judging you or your partner for enjoying Dom/sub dynamics in sex and I'm glad you're both happy.
>>79736232> if I take the lead I do it in a kind of princely way, opening car doors for my lover, pulling out seats for her, generally making her feel protectedThat's great though. It's probably enough for most women. You get no satisfaction from pain at all though? So even something like pulling hair is a turn off?
>>79736266>You get no satisfaction from pain at all though? So even something like pulling hair is a turn off?No, I'm generally a peaceful person and would only usr violence on people that I really hate such as those that harm others. Just the thought of pulling my lover's hair makes me cringe and I imagine the pain that I would feel if someone did that to me.
>>79736292And on the receiving end? You would hate it if she grabbed you by the neck or hair or anything else like that?
>>79736351I only wouldn't mind it if it wasn't painful
>>79735799>Most men who are "100% dominant" aren't "dominant", they're psychopaths with critically low empathy. In order to care about a submissive's pleasure you need to be able to put yourself in their position. You don't understand the psychology of sadomasochism or men generally. You only understand the psychology of masochismOne of the best female doms in porn is ArielX. She started as sub, only latter picked domination. Her case exactly this, been on the sub side she knew from inside what subs truly want.
>>79736556But male and female subs often want different things, so that doesn't even make sense. The approach to male and female sexuality and psychology is different hence why they consume different media to get off.
>>79713868>Maybe it's something about how you look?i'm not sure since i'm pretty feminine irl. sites like fetlife and the like have never appealed to me so i just gave up.
>>79736574To add Ariel X picked up dom side via totally manly activity. Starring in ultimate surrender and picking up BJJ lessons so she she can win every fight. What men want.
>>79736633Well, she's a performer so she will sell men a fantasy.
>>79734564>his personal pet and sex slaveSuper hot.
>>79735860How happy would you be with this arrangement?
>>79736724Not my thing. I want to be his only partner. Even if it's a dom/sub relationship, I still want to be his gf/wife both in and outside of the bedroom. I want him and I to both be loyal to each other.
>>79736167yeah that's not because "both dominant" doesn't exist, it's because it's not a problem when it does; that just looks like two people being really horny for each other. I don't care if a woman wants to do stuff to me because I can just do it back to her, or say no if it crosses a line. it's only an issue if she just straight-up doesn't want to be penetrated, but women like that don't date men. and I might WANT to make women do freaky submissive shit but it's not the end of the world if I can't and we'll find other ways to have satisfying sex.dom men don't mind a power struggle with women because they can usually get the upper hand if they try, and if that's not possible you usually wouldn't have ended up together in the first place.
>>79736792> that just looks like two people being really horny for each other.If you're only dominant you won't get pleasure from being degraded, treated like a servant or slave, spanked, tied up and "raped" or whatever. If you love all of this stuff you're a switch.
>>79736232>>79736266100% this. I think even most dominant men fundamentally want to be protectors and providers, make their girl feel like a princess. Dominance to them means a kind of positive, strong masculinity, being firm but tender at the same time, taking the lead for the pleasure of both partners. But submissive women don't seem to really want that. Outside of the bedroom maybe, but inside the bedroom, they want to see their man let out some animalistic side, rough her up, pull her hair, choke her, spit on her. What they don't seem to realise is that the men I just mentioned don't want to do that to women. They LOVE women. Why would they want to hurt their defenceless princess?This is the fundamental disconnect and I'm not sure there's an answer to it. You can induce violence in some men I guess (prison Dom's) but most men who truly love you simply aren't going to want to be violent, cruel, punishing towards you. That's not what dominance means to themIncidentally I'm a male switch but this is why I instinctively avoid any woman who strongly identifies as a sub. It's usually code for "I want you to unleash your animalistic violence on me". What she doesn't know is that I don't have animalistic violence, at least not towards women I have feelings for.
>>79737118>They LOVE women. Why would they want to hurt their defenceless princess?My boyfriend explained that because I love it and seeing my pleasure turns him on. So if you pull the hair of a person and they moan and their pupils look like hearts (symbolically speaking) speaking then you know you're not actually harming them and you are causing them pleasure. I don't think there is a disconnect. But I don't like hardcore humiliation or violence.
>>79737159I mean, maybe. I'm kind of an overthinker so I would be like, but *why* does she like it when I do that? Like it would strongly imply to me that you're imagining me being violent even if I'm holding back, like you need me to be violent to be turned on. I'm imaging myself as the protector and you're imagining me as the animal. My own violence turns me off. But maybe for some boyfriends it's fine.
>>79737213You would probably also enjoy some level of "violence" because it is wired into humans physically to release endorphins from a little smacking or roughing. Maybe not, there are exceptions. And maybe mentally it turns you off. Did you never enjoy the feeling of being a little sore or chewing your lips? Or having your ass smacked as a joke?
>>79737213NTA but I think a part of it is just leftover coding from before romance and consent and stuff were really a thing. Reproduction mainly happened via rape, so women had no choice but to learn to like that violence. They didn't have a say in it, so they just had to prepare for the worst, and the women who took it the best were able to successfully reproduce, causing more generations of girls who like it. But the men on the other hand had more of a choice and could choose how rough they wanted to be, so they were able to pass on a greater mix of violent and more loving behaviours to the men of future generations. Men had the freedom to choose how rough they wanted to be with their mate, women just had to prepare for the worst, so we still see leftovers of that in modern sexuality, with women pretty much all being subs while there's a much larger variety of preferences among men.
most guys would prefer pic related than having a female sub at home kek
>>79737268umm gonna need proof of that, big chief
>>79737282>femdom threads>futa threads>tranny threads>always 100x more popular than the rare female submission thread
>>79737290>than the rare female submission threadthe obvious answer is cause they're not as fun without female submissives in them.
>>79737296I mean does the lack of black men with huge dicks stop guys with a BBC fetish from posting BBC porn everywhere all day long or cuck threads? Not really. If men love something they will post about it regardless if women are there or not. The women are just the bonus.
>>79737239I can kind of understand enjoying pain on a physical level, it's definitely the psychology of it that bothers me. Because if it were just a physical thing the context wouldn't matter as much, and women would give the pain as well as receive it. As it stands they ONLY want to receive it and it's always the same kinds of pain, it's always like pain that's a bit rapey, slapping and choking and grabbing her head.It seems like the pain is besides the point, it's more like she just wants me to be the kind of man that inflicts pain. Like if she's not being made to feel a little bit like she's being violently forced, it's not as enjoyable. That really just doesn't work for me. I do like to be "dominant" but not like that. That's the dominance of the rapist, not the dominance of the hero. I want to always be the hero
>>79712539I have a very specific femsub/cuckquean scenario which I goon to almost daily. In it, I'm a Slav girl in a Nazi-occupied Eastern European country. I'm arrested and placed in a concentration camp over some perceived crime I probably didn't commit. Later, I'm pulled from the camp and assigned to work as a maid in the home of a hot Nazi officer. He has a beautiful wife and kids of different ages, and together all of them abuse me physically and psychologically while working me to the point of collapse. My German is really bad and they refuse to learn my language so they also speak to me really slowly like they would to a child, and even then I frequently misunderstand them, which leads to even more brutal punishments. The officer never shows any interest in me sexually because he sees me as so subhuman that touching me would be unbearably degrading to him, but him and his wife do walk around naked or even do lewd things in my presence like they would around a dog because they know that if I so much as look at them funny I'll be in the gas chamber within an hour. Eventually when I grow too weak to fulfill the duties expected of me, he sends his wife out on a day trip with the kids, makes me fetch him one last glass of cognac, and then takes me out into the yard, makes me dig my own grave and shoots me in the back of the skull. The German Reich does in fact last for a thousand years and so nobody ever finds my body or makes him face any sort of consequences for his actions. I'm remembered only in passing as a mediocre maid and really mostly just a stain on this Earth. Das Ende.
>>79737290>/r9k/ is filled with dysgenic male incels>surprised the most popular threads reinforce that most people here are freaks of nature who should never reproduce
>>79737100that stuff isn't normal though, you're thinking in BDSM terms and not normie terms. it just means initiating, leading, being possessive, maybe putting them down a little bit but that can be read as playful in a lot of cases. just leaning into basic body language shit that actors use to convey status transactions onstage so you can put someone in a defeated pose or extract some kind of symbolic acquiescence from them. it's usually a back-and-forth and there's a lot more ambiguity of signals and multiple overlapping dynamics.
>>79737337It's not different on other boards though. Do you want to pretend that all boards on 4chan just have freakish male incels? And even if they were male incels what would prevent them from having maledom desires?
>>79737312yes you're confirming my point which is that you can do man dom and man sub online because there are men there to do it.femsub is harder because women are less likely to do it most of the time
>>79737290>>79737296No he's right, a lot of/most men don't really find female submission exciting. It doesn't challenge them. Sorry to femsubs but it's true, it's way more exciting for women than men, it lacks the transgressive thrill of something like femdomNot only that, but maledom/femsub is just an extension of the constricting gender roles that men live under on a daily basis, it's not hot to do the same thing but even more in the bedroom. It's exhausting to keep "frame" in front of women in any situation let alone when you're supposed to be doing some intimate and enjoyable
>>79737381you're just a porn addict
>>79737353>yes you're confirming my point which is that you can do man dom and man sub online because there are men there to do it.No? If maledoms won't talk about their fantasies to other doms because there are no women why would BBC cucks talk to other KEKS even though there are no women around nor black men with huge dicks either. People can talk about their fetish to other fetish havers without women being there. It happens all the time.>>79737343That's what they mean though... they are posting it in sex or BDSM places. Also a powerbottom can be assertive or a sub can have a higher sex drive than a dom. I see complaints about that too.
>>79737350Yes, /r9k/ is the worst but 4chan as a whole tends to attract men who are failures. >And even if they were male incels what would prevent them from having maledom desires?Despite all the men here insisting they're only single due to looks, there's definitely something about their personalities/behaviour that's also off putting. So yes, I assume that a lot of incels' inability to get laid stems from them being fundamentally incompatible with a heterosexual relationship, most likely due to their submissive natures.
>>79737394>No?Yes, retard.wow, gay men will talk to other gay men about their gay fantasies, but straight men don't want to talk to gay men about sexual situations???wow crazy insane mind=blown
>>79737405>Yes, /r9k/ is the worst but 4chan as a whole tends to attract men who are failures.Can you tell me a place where it's different then? I have never seen a community where maledom fetishes outweigh malesub fetishes. Not on 4chan, reddit, fetlife, IRL, with friends, discord, anime and media, nowhere.>>79737387NTA but this >>79737381 guy is right. And I'm not a porn addict. The majority of men aren't truly aroused by being dominant. They are just prison dominant. A few % true male doms exist though, I think they're just special and rare.
>>79737387Actually you have it the other way round, it's porn that makes women more submissive. Aella did a study on this one. https://aella.substack.com/p/is-porn-misleading-menPorn use was highly correlated with wanting violent sex in women
>>79737416>wow, gay men will talk to other gay men about their gay fantasiesHow is it gay if women are being fucked? Are you retarded? It would be bisexual at worst. The average cuck gets aroused by getting humiliated by a woman having sex with a man. The woman's ""pleasure"" tends to be the main focus.>but straight men don't want to talk to gay men about sexual situations???You can find a million porn threads and fetish threads that aren't gay and are about female bodies, female feet, jerking off to women or whatever everywhere on 4chan right now.
>>79737433Aella is not a legitimate source of anything besides internet data collected from other autists. it doesn't prove anything, it's just a silly data point floating around in the universe
>>79737451>Aella is not a legitimate sourceSo what is a legitimate source of anything then? Post it. And explain how Aella's research is flawed if you want to critize it.
>>79737451If you actually read the article you would see that for this one she paid for a more representative sample through a polling companyIt's true, femsubs are porn addicts. Saying that men who don't want to beat you up are porn addicts is pure projection on your part.
>>79737437>how is it gay to fantasize about another man fucking a womenyou're either retarded or so porn brained you don't even see it. grim.Straight threads are just full of pictures or are discussing what kind of girl they like. They do NOT feature another mans penis
>>79737420>Can you tell me a place where it's different then?IRL>"but I don't see it irl!"Quit surrounding yourself with dysgenic men.>anime and media,I see a lot of anime made by men for men that has women in submissive roles or suffering. Maybe you should just reflect on what you're watching.
>>79737381men do find sexual conquest of women exciting, just in a really basic way that doesn't register as erotic to kinkster types. I would say that when you get into the aspects of maledom that are more exciting for women than men, this is just a question of the man being good at sex or not, or how motivated he is or whether they have good chemistry together.the real issue is that subbing is just easier and femdom works great in porn because it's less active for the male consumer; dom men are more into porn that they can use as inspo or aspirational material rather than the porn itself being packaged up into an immersive experience for them (notice how popular fsub audio porn is among women, subs relate to porn very differently from doms and doms are more detached from it).
>>79737494>you're either retarded or so porn brained you don't even see it. grim.It wouldn't be gay if they get aroused by women and fantasize about women involved in their sexuality. It would be bisexual. Hope this helps.>Straight threads are just full of pictures or are discussing what kind of girl they like. They do NOT feature another mans penisMost porn threads on 4chan where people discuss fetishes, webms or gifs involving women don't feature male performers or dicks?
>>79737501>IRLThat's prison dominant. Men will be dominant because they have to and it gets them laid. Dominant often means (like pic related) "switch" to a man. Most of my friends don't get dominant sex from their boyfriends. They have weird fetishes, they find femdom porn or odd shit on their computers.>I see a lot of anime made by men for men that has women in submissive roles or suffering.Do you really want to argue that submissive female slave characters are more prominent or popular in anime/games than dommy mommys or yandere girls? LMAO
>>79737501Do you realise that chart is from a sample size of less than 309 people, taken from reddit's BDSM community?
>>79734009Whoever this anon is, they're retarded.Psychological impact often goes deeper than physical impact when presented in high stakes situations, which I why Male submission is DIFFERENT than Female submission. It's not LARPing, it's a different thing altogether.A woman usually can't overpower a guy, sure, but she can tease and control him in other ways. Could the guy just beat and rape her? Maybe, sure, but when having regular sex a girl could go to kiss a guy's neck and bite his artery off and kill him too. The guy submitting won't harm the domme because he's been psychologically placed in a lower category of subservience to a person he deems superior in a different way than that which is physical. Besides, most of the "physical" nature of humanity hasn't been relevant ever since the invention of the firearm and then the tazer. You can instantly win a fight against a more "dominant" person with a gun, and even defeat men with a well placed kick in the nuts, or bite, or anything like that.
>>79737542>Do you really want to argue that submissive female slave characters are more prominent or popular in anime/games than dommy mommys or yandere girls?There's a reason the most popular cosplay cafes are maid cafes
>>79737578>There's a reason the most popular cosplay cafes are maid cafesMaid cafes offer all kinds of maids. They offer the dominant or tsundere experience too.Maids are cute, friendly and eager to pay attention. They're not servants on a leash asking you to get fucked hard.I love maids and I'm a straight, sub woman.
>>79737549>>79737501Oh and what's even funny is that the participants were taken from /r/BDSMcommunity which is the maledom one (/r/FemdomCommunity is the femdom one)That's right, on a sample taken from A COMMUNITY EXPLICITLY ABOUT MALEDOM, only 75% of the men were doms, lmfaoPrison dominant is really the right word
>>79737542>Most of my friends don't get dominant sex from their boyfriendsNormal sex is male dominant though and you're just dismissing that. If your girlies want to do whips and chains and fuzzy handcuffs and all that you can do that too, but it's a bit different.
>>79737594I can't say too much but I "worked" a a moderator/admin in a big fetish website years ago and I was able to see what people would post across the site with different names. I would regularly see that men who advertised themselves as strict doms or daddies had a second account where they would crossdress or wear buttplugs spreading it wide open and looking for men/couples/bulls/transwomen. I am not making this up honest to God.
Bros just mad no woman wants to peg him and is trying to convince himself that it's everyone else who's wrong, not him.
>>79737625did fetlife pay you or did you do it 4 FREE
>>79737625was it fetlife? that makes sense, I've been tempted to have more than one account on there myself though not for that reason.
>>79737625Yeah it's well-known, on femdom sites too the men will often advertise themselves as "switches" too even though they are straight up subsThey will pretend to be dominant for a bit to get the woman interested, and then as soon as they're in an LTR, they will make excuses not to do it
>>79737638>>79737651Sorry guys, I can't give any more information that would narrow it down. Bit paranoid.>>79737659You're spot on. I remember reading about this issue a lot too.
>>79737659I don't think real switches would ever go to a femdom website anyways
>>79737332Are you German? I have a friend that fucked a jewish kraut that was exactly like this. He was Spanish.
>>79737687Exactly, that's what makes it so ridiculous. Like, you are fooling nobody buddy.
>>79737680you obviously "worked" for fetlife, but anyways did you get paid or not
>>79737542read normal hentai and it's all about women being exploited and degraded though. dom woman have more charisma as characters while subs are kind of interchangeable, but almost any female character will have doujins of her being lewded, and not in a dom role at all.
>>79737695I'm Russian but that Jewish kraut sounds based.
>>79737563> The guy submitting won't harm the domme because he's been psychologically placed in a lower category of subservience to a person he deems superior in a different way than that which is physical. Exactly- it relies on the male's full participation in it, his allowance of the situation, and most crucially, his desire of it.If he didn't want it, he'd be like "Lol this is lame" and throw the girl off him/if necessary, beat her up at any time.
>79737290>"there are so many femdom/tranny threads!">chooses to talk about his malesub fantasies in the femsub threadI know you're upset girls don't visit your containment threads, but quit shitting up this thread.
>>79738089they always do this too, then sperg out cause they're forcing their malesub fantasies into threads that are not about it.
>>79738024You're retarded. Psychological inferiority isn't something you just opt out off lmao
>>79737824If you want to talk and trade stories I'll be up for it. Been around until the day settled down with my gf so I have a bunch of shit to talk about.
>>79738089nigga i'm a woman stfu
>>79738181no you're not just you're a faggy malesub
>>79738343take your meds and dilate
>>79738151And yet you don't actually think yourself psychologically inferior either. Especially if you browse this board, where males automatically write off all females as retardbrained. Femdom is all just a LARP to get a man's dick hard, with no actual domination taking place.
>>79738354>no udefinitely an ugly, submissive male who thinks his mommy domme is going to save him
>>79738365not everyone is a male on this board like you, troongo dilate that hole
>>79738371It's true, not everyone is male, but you definitely are.
>>79738376>sees cock everywherehttps://boards.4chan.org/lgbtor kill yourself alternatively
>>79738381sorry lil bro, no woman is going to come along and entertain your boring submale fantasies, but you should go to therapy or something instead of sperging out about it on 4chan
>>79738393>seething tranny lacks reading comprehensioni was arguing against subfags not in favor of them and their pathetic urges you dumb troon
>>79738399oh I can read fine lil guy, but I know you're lying, which is the whole point. dumbass
>>79738406point out where I was lying then I'll wait faggot
>>79738411when you lied about being a female LOL duh
>>79738181Then go to one of the femdom threads. I'm sure the anons there will be more than happy to actually talk to a woman for once.
>>79738416this is based on what? the fact that you're a troon and you project this mental illness on everyone else around you?
>>79738434>thinks about the cocks of other people>not the gay oneyeah okay kill yourself and stop derailing the thread
>>79738362I don't fit your whatever stereotype for the sub, I'm normally a lurker.Besides, I think you're retarded on this issue specifically. Besides the irrational beliefs that we disagree on, you don't seem any less than intelligent.
>>79737625LolI believe it fully.This is a big reason why, even though I'm probably much more sub than my boyfriend is dom, I'm happy with my boyfriend's overall normalcy. As far as I know, he at least isn't stretching his asshole out with Dragon Dildos in secret.and also why, if we ever break up, I don't really plan to try hard to find a "100% MALE DOM". Because I think that someone in that world is likely to be a faker anyway. When you get too kinky as a male, I think you're more likely to latch on to a full spectrum of things, rather than be obsessive and consistent on a narrower path of things (only dom territory).But also I'm perfectly fine with the idea of domming my boyfriend every once in a while as well, since I love him and am attracted to him in all scenarios. I am just glad that he mostly doms for me. This turned into a rant.
>>79738717Would you be attracted to him if he wanted you to degrade his dick size and wear panties sometimes?
>>79738630Whatever. Whenever there's such a huge physical disconnect from reality, it becomes less hot to me. Maybe that is part of why I would never be able to get into furry RP. You can type that you're a dog or fox all that you want and that your paws are quivering and your three-pronged dick is hardening or whatever, but the reality is you're a weird human and it all dissolves quickly when taken outside the realm of pure fantasy. Some fantasies still hold up well enough when moved to IRL, but are still ultimately majorly reliant on the LARP. Femdom falls into that category-- the male has to agree to be chained up beforehand, the male has to pretend to be a 'useless paypig' when really the girl is the lazy useless member of society. But dialogue and planning is enough to at least make it somewhat passable.LARPing is fun but it's just that-- fun. All of this argument stemmed originally from my simple post of "The act of sex is itself a more physically dominant act towards the female from the male." And then a flood of subby males got offended and pretended like the physical act itself is totally equal on a physical basis. It just isn't. If you wanna RP differently that's totally fine though.
>>79738799At this point since I'm very attached to him AND because he does such a good job domming me otherwise, the answer is yes. OTOH if I had just met him and he expressed that to me off the bat as a primary interest of his and told me his intention to mostly be subby with me, I wouldn't bother pursuing the relationship.Even today if bf stopped domming me and went completely sub, that might be enough to break my attraction to him and thus end the relationship.
