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>>16253759SpaceX will shrimply move to MARS and share it with rocketlab
The stream continues on NASAhttps://youtu.be/F4HH_fL7QVk
Good evening
What is the significance of samples from the lunar far side?
>>16253768makes for a good propaganda stunt since nobody's done it before. but nobody had done it before because there wasn't really any point in it.
>>16253768roggs
>>16253764noo, you just can't do that. we must slow down progress!t. bezos
>>16253768I think the location Chang'e 6 landed is thought to be formed out of extremely old lunar mantle ejecta, thus a sample can potentially give clues about the early Moon (and indirectly also the early Earth, since the Moon was split off from the Earth not long before)
>>16253777>and live to see yourself become the (clownish) villain
>a whole nothingberger todaywhat a joke
Long March 2C Rocket with Nitrogen Tetroxide brings in the new year celebrations!!
>>16253774this is the right answer
>>16253782WHATS WRONG WITH DROPPING SPENT STAGES ON YOUR OWN COUNTRY?
>>16253782That joke would have worked better if it had happened 4 months ago
>>16253768For some reason i couldnt explain but someone else definitely could, the far side of the moon is significantly different from the near side, in ways like craters, makeup, and other things i am not qualified or knowledgeable enough to say with certainty.Its different from the near side, and we havent gotten shit from the far side so its important.
>>16253782That village had a low economic importance, so this video is irrelevant and slander against the Chinese people.
>>16253782Reminder that for a brief period the Martian atmosphere was thought to be nitrogen tetroxide
Hybergoligs or hydrologgs?Which is best?
>>16253797Hypersois
>>16253797gerologgs
>>16253797Hyberloob :DD
>>16253805Yuo have good taste
https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1805727021303316974
sneaking in a cheeky heil for giggles every time Tim visits
>>16253809rocketlab struggles with R&D and rocket factory struggles with manufacturing, who knew?
>>16253809I thought they didn't believe in iterative development
>>16253809Funny considering Elon is convinced proonting is too expensive, along with carbon fiber. I think Beck, in an effort to differentiate himself, will kill their rocket business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lihWYmQTQ2U
Well, that's another few billion down the loo with absolutely nothing to show for it. Good job NASA!
>>16253818They didn't spend the money, remember nasa has moved to fixed price contracts. Thus they only get payouts when hitting milestones which they weren't so they weren't getting money.
>>16253809nice stovetop
>>16253818is that chin a requirement for nasa astrogirls?
>>16253816proonting is too slow for mass manufacturing, it's just for prototyping (which spacex uses it for btw)
good evening anons,happy to see nominal FH launch!and I hope Jeff wakes up tomorrow with a stiff neck.
>>16253776>Chinks>The ChineseFTFY
>>16253811>sneaking in a cheeky heil for giggles every time Tim visitsyou're obviously misreading far too much
>>16253821> Neither Collins or Axiom has received any money. They've been working for free.Sure. Anyway....
>>16253843Well collins didn't cause they weren't working. As evidenced by the many missed milestones.
>>16253843that swindler big ballast bill tricked a company into working for free for two years. he can't keep getting away with it.
>>16253809Peter Kek should really re evaluate is priorities in my humble but honest opinion. He should just accept the loss when it comes to the "Earth" rocket market.In my opinion his 3D printing is pretty gud and I reckon he could carve a huge market for himself in building cheap reliable "Lunar" launch vehicles with the recourses there.Just think about it, I don't think SpaceX cares at all about the Lunar manufacturing market when it arrives.
>>16253780I prefer the competent foreign chad villain.
Now that best korea has better rocket tech from the russians, will we see juche in space?
>>16253812
>>16253857No
>>16253843
>>16253854> couldn't quell his eugenics autism in front of his freaky giant henchman until he secured the bagnot that competent tbph
>>16253860damn.I really wanted space feudalism.
>>16253850WHATLUNAR LAUNCH MARKET? DOESNT EXIST AND NEVER WILL. YOU SERIOUSLY UNDERESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT GOES INTO THE SIMPLEST INDUSTRIES.
>$3.5 billion fucking dollars>B I L L I O N>still cant make a fucking space suitthe grift is incredible
>>16253846I Google up $500 million so far to Collins, but to confirm the checks were cut, would have to look at the NASA and Collins financial statements. Rather a lot of effort for a chan .
>>16253882>same company that made the current EMU suits, and the Apollo A7 suits>can't make a simple upgrade of that todaywtf>for 3.5 billion
>>16253878fuck up thundercuckthe only bottleneck is getting there which will be extremely easy within 10-15 years
>>16253882And NASA wouldn't even own the suits. They were rentals. Like bowling shoes.
Why do you guys want Bridenstine back anyway? Did you forgot he works for Iridium as a lobbyist and works against SpaceX now?
>>16253895He knows how to play the game. I would shill for Iridium too for a fat paycheck. You think integrity gets you anywhere in Washington? Fag
>>16253895Oh. Are we supposed to be SpaceX cultists or something? Is that a requirement?
>>16253899Unironically yes.
>>16253895>Bridenstinewill always be loyal to our cause, when Trump is elected he will be leading the Artemis Accords.
WHO DARES DISTURB MY SLUMBER
HE IS RISEN
>>16253895there's a lot of false consciousness from right-leaning anons who only started paying attention to space policy during the trump administration. he deserves credit for separating HLS from SLS and that's about all he did of consequence.
https://payloadspace.com/noaa-gives-heos-holmes-a-thumbs-up/>mneeed to adsk noaa for a selfielooooooooooooooool
> Democrats aren't crab bucket queer commies who hate spaceflight fuck off faggot
>>16253921>false consciousnessTRANY DETECTED.
>>16253921CLPS, Artemis, Artemis Accords, scaring the shit out of Congress and Shelby with EM-1 Falcon Heavy (almost lost his job for it), HLS, cheerleading constantly for NASA and constantly making the case. Began the conversation about ISS replacement with commercial options, absolute champion of commercial space. He had so many fucking sitdown sessions with various Congresspeople and tailored the case to their district and the ROI NASA provides. Ballast has done NONE of that
>>16253921I am as far right as it gets and I have been into space ever since watching this with my Dad at age 4 in 1999
>>16253829yes
>>16253760>NASA's global warming satellite. what a total waste, its either programmed to produce fake data needed to falsely confirm global warming or the data they get from it will be altered to falsely prove global warming is real. either way theres no purpose to have built or launched the thing since the outcome of the experiment is predetermined.
please pay your respects to this crazy eyed hero. RIP steve.
>>16253955Maybe we can launch you into geostationary orbit next time, that way you can produce all the "correct" data and you can stay up there.
>>16253934>CLPSis a mess>Artemisis a mess>Artemis Accordsnobody gives a shit outside of the state department>scaring the shit out of Congress and Shelby with EM-1 Falcon Heavyaccomplished nothing>HLSsure, that's why i conceded that>Began the conversation about ISS replacement with commercial optionsyou may have a point there but at the same anything that happened under his watch was so preliminary >Ballast has done NONE of thatsure, but i'm never going to defend ballast on anything. but ballast got handed a bunch of programs that were in very precarious positions - commercial crew was arguably in good shape and that was about it.
>be nasa>lets prove GW is real - yay soience!! >crap it's real>-90% funding to NASA>+90% funding to welfare state>+200% carbon tax>no more nasa>no more spacex
>>16253942Great show. And it includes all nine planets.
>>16253959
Trump was the best space president we ever had
>>16253976I think that was probably JFK, anon.
>>16253978Pretty sure he got shot in the head in a year so no
>>16253980Yeah but we went to the moon because of him. Other than that, nothing really has been accomplished. Trump admin pushed the Artemis accord, so he deserves a lot of credit for kickstarting this new era.
>tim dodd when his shit got pirated"DELETE IT NOW">developer of ultrakill game when his shit got pirated"culture shouldnt be only for those who can afford it"
>>16253982>we went to the moon because of him.The Moon project was a defense department experiment to study the feasibility of setting up a permanent nuclear weapons base on the moon, it was disguised as a science mission for the obvious reasons. If you've looked over the history of the project you might have noticed that everyone involved was "ex" military
>>16253974There are not 9 planets
>>16253991>dindu nuffin
>>16253974It was pretty great series, I believe I had the dvd set that came with all 8 episodes.
>>16253993>The Moon isn't a planet lurk moar
Florida residents raised concerns Monday night about the disruptive noise and possible infrastructure damage if Starship ramps up launches from Florida’s space coast.Arizona and Nevada are legit great places to move is you want isolation from the world.
>>16253989Youre obviously a newnigger. Go back to >>>/v/ aka >>>/reddit/ nobody cares
>>16253797Peroggsides
>>16254005The fact that you've been repeating this for years doesn't make it true.
>>16254021the moon and sun were both planets for way longer than uranus and neptune have been planets
>>16254023Oh so youre a geocel.
>>16254027Axiom has actually been doing good work, Vast will have good competition in the future with them and Gravitics for the military, maybe it wont shape out like a SpaceX type dominated market.
>>16254032It'll be like limpets hanging onto the body of SpaceX for secondary contracts
>>16254034Are you retarded? SpaceX wont even be in the commercial space station industry until at best 2030 with the first PDR for a Starship station variant being in 2029. That is MORE than enough time for the others to gain the necessary experience and connections to gain a permanent foothold in the CSS industry. Not to mention they get the capabilities of Starship for their stations before SpaceX themselves does. They will CLEARLY be dominating the market, and while SpaceX may gain a share of it, it definetly wont be a majority of total sales. Maybe even a quarter is doubtful.
not feeling it
>>16254044Sooner or later you are just going to have to accept that longer fineness ratios are simply superior.
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1805770099967844581New articles from CSI. Tower 2 vs Tower 1
>>16254046Man, they were so shiny at the start of the launch. Filthy shitty kerosene.
>>16254029i'm just saying why is nobody running michaelson-morley in orbit if they don't want to cover up the lumineferous ether's existence?
>>16254059
>>16254063eeeeeagerspaaaaace...
>>16253842autismspeaks.png
>>16254065can't watch his videos cause of that shit
>>16253975stupid wojakposter
The starliner departure on the 26th was delayed right? Have they given a new date?
>>16254078No earlier than July 3rd no later than a week or two after that because the fuel will be gone
>>16254078July 4th, watch them crisp up on freedom day
>>16253991I wish we lived in a skitzo headcannon worldShit would be so cash
>>16254044iT'S A FAKE RENDERIT WONT LOOK LIKE THAT RETARDS FUCK
>>16253850If they can get Neutron running, I think they have a fairly solid chance and keeping a market for themselves. Granted, Starship could wipe out all other rocket markets if the cost is really as low as Elon wants it to be, but we will have to wait for SS/SH to be heavily optimized and in mass production to see it.But they still have their other products like in-house satellite production. They could tie in the costs of making a custom sat and launching it for a customer. An all-in-one stop could be its own market if done right, people will pay for convenience.
>>16253947If something goes wrong, I think I know who's dying first.
>>16254021The science is settled, there are nine planets
GOES-U deployed.
unbelievably kino deployment
>>16254089>4.5 hoursWhy did it take so long to get to orbit?
>>16254092low energy
>>16254093>low energyFuck off Tory
>>16254092Geostationary is a 24 hour orbit, so a transfer orbit is about 12 hours. They flew the first leg of that orbit so here we are.
>>16254096>Geostationary is a 24 hour orbit, so a transfer orbit is about 12 hours. They flew the first leg of that orbit so here we are.I didn't know it was geostationary, makes sense now, thank you.
>>16254091other rocket companies: this is so stupid and uneconomical, cost plus is obviously the superior option, elon is such a retard lmao
>>16254062Light is invariant, the real test of aether is resistance to acceleration of tardyonic mass (hint hint).
I'm gonna cross-post this from >>>/n/stg/, because you guys are probably missing it.https://youtube.com/watch?v=F6B8n7Jg7ZoThis guy's former SpaceX, and also confirms SpaceX is doing things behind the scenes too that we just don't get to see.
>>16254101They're right, y'know?
>>16254106>/n/>/stg/
>>16254106thanks /stg/schizo anon, keep us posted
>>16254106>and also confirms SpaceX is doing things behind the scenes too that we just don't get to see.I really hope SpaceX have their equivalent of Skunworks
>>16254106>board is so slow there are still live Hero Flap reactions in that thread
>>16254117SkunworksFalconworks?XworksSXworksSexworks
>>16254081"Bart, that firework is two brave astronauts burning to death in agony. Show some respect.""Don't have cow Homer.""Why you....""*awaughakakak*"
>>16254117Why do you think Elon got to see the fun parts of Los Alamos?
>>16254078Starliner's departure will be Butch going for a spacewalk and personally chucking the thing retrograde
>>16254123hmmmmmmm
>>16254124>butch chucks the wicked witch of nasa into the atmosphere in a vehicle with multiple helium leaksmake it happen
>>16254117SPX Works exists. You heard about the L33T engine in the book. They have special personal projects that try to cook up new and innovative ways to improve upon engines and everything. Everything from those comes back into changes that happen to SpaceX every single day.
>>16253976Reagan tried to give us nuclear pumped X-Ray battlestars launched to orbit on fluidized pebble bed reactor rockets. But the Democrats blocked him.
>>16254127I think the pipeline for SpaceX changes is probably in the order of ~6m-1y. So they got many cooked shit that we prob wont see for another ~6m or so. Further I think more deeply ambitious projects being cooked are more long term timeline and requires more r/d.
>>16254128I really didn't like this shot. Because the easiest way to give some perspective is to have one of them walk up to the base of the tower or launch pad.It's so easy!! Just walk up to it!!
>>16254127>They have special personal projects that try to cook up new and innovative ways to improve upon engines and everythingThey should look into plasma magnets, electric tethers and those electrostatic meme drives then, like true out of the box thinking and R&D that not even NASA would pursue
>>16254132muh ITAR muh hardhat rule
>>16254132Elon didn't want estro breathing near his launch vehicle
>>16254132>letting estro near starshipthat camera smudge is lucky to even look at it, and not have his cameras smashed lmao
>>16254155Does /sfg/ have a hate boner for this guy now that he has a moon ticket?
>>16254161but he hasn't had one for weeks
>>16254161his ticket went up in flames, no refunds
>>16254161only after his big tantrum
>>16254154>moved next to a rocket facility
>>16254161>nowkek
Next FH launch is a very big mission.
>>16254183not everyday nasa shits out a good looking mission patch too
This AI cannot stop shitting on Blue Origin every opportunity
are these supposed to be funny?
>>16254164QRD?
>>16254190AI generated
>>16254197https://x.com/erdayastronaut/status/1796760324055404627TL;DR: Dodd decides to post how he's upset but looks forward to the future, and /sfg/ has a massive fucking hate boner because 4chan hasn't shed cringe culture yet.
>>16254183>>16254190>won't arrive until 2030All the cool space probes are so many years away from actually doing science.At least it'll still beat JUICE.
>>16254202lol>cringe cultureWhat does this mean?
>>16254082Buzz Aldrin says the same thing in his autobiography.
>>16254207People see the slightest bit of sincerity and immediately see it as ugly.It's ruined the fucking internet, and I can blame both 4chan AND Reddit for this shit because r/cringe really kicked it off and 4chan made it widespread.
>>16254044Does that mean a taller tower?
>>16254202Cry me a river, he is shedding tears publicly and in a snarky fashion over losing his FREE ticket to space, womp womp.There have been hundreds of thousands of people more qualified than him who have spent their whole lives working toward becoming an astronaut and have failed in their dreams.
>>16254215Oh I'm suuure there are. The Polaris missions are a stellar example of the fact that there were hundreds, if not thousands of much better qualified candidates, even today.That wasn't even the point of the mission though, and you fucking know it. They weren't supposed to be trained astronauts. Their job wasn't supposed to be to fly the damn space craft. Their job was to be civilians who could inspire the next generation.Like it or hate it, Tim Dodd certainly inspires people with space. He's the one getting invites to interviews, not you.And another thing? That's not snarky. You wanna know what's snarky? Your sarcastic, bitter post.
>>16253871If we ever settle the belt, you'll probably see some of that. Bunch of little rock fiefdoms
>>16254219Wow Tim that is just insane
>>16253857Juche means self-reliance so we damn well better see some of that.
>>16254221It will literally go nowhere but if I ever do space belt colonization, I'll be doing it with max-security prisoners. They get to commute their sentence by working in the space belt, and then get the choice to either go home or stay on the colony and keep the rock to themselves.If they kill themselves? No big deal. Just let 'em decompose for a couple of years and then send in the next batch of 30 or so.
>>16254166>not making quiet non-polluting rockets with lavender scented exhaustit's like Elon is a chud and doesn't even care if a boomer neighbor's property values aren't doubling every 5 years
>>16254219Sorry but not buying it, he is an entitled brat with a giant ego because he has hanged out with Elon in person several times. Any normal person would understand that sometimes things don't go your way and move on without making a long-winded post about how their dreams were shattered into 1 million pieces.
>>16253947>chinlets need not apply to be astronautsIt's so over
So boing launched the shitliner 5 years late and now it's stranded some astronauts on the ISS?
>>16254227>entitled bratSure. I can go with him being entitled. But you still can show empathy to an "entitled brat". >any normal person would understand sometimes things don't go your way and move onHe was offered an opportunity he is very unlikely to receive again, got so tantalizingly close all things considered, and thanks to circumstances outside of his control, that opportunity was ripped away. Additionally, he genuinely seemed very invested into the opportunity.This isn't just "aw man, I won't get that pay raise now because I botched the interview," this is much closer to the level of "aw man, I won't ever have the kids I always dreamed of because I'm infertile." Obviously, not entirely analogous, but you get the point; Without a god damn miracle, that man is never going to check off his bucket list.Unfortunately, humans don't bounce back like that so easily, no matter how entitled they are. We're not machines. Everyone finds a means to cope, and there's plenty of ways to do so. Drinking, venting to friends, drugs, isolation, and of course, venting it on their personal blog. Now, do I agree that he should have done it on the blog? No, I find posting blogposts, especially on blogsites that have some sort of feedback system, to be a generally unhealthy coping mechanism. Doesn't change the fact that it's still a completely viable coping mechanism to handle with losing such an unbelievably rare opportunity.
>>16254229Tickets will be available for purchase a few decades down the line for your kind. We will of course be taking a 50% price hike from you though
>>16254240Not reading all of that but aright Tim you win my friend. Anyways thanks for the insightful starbase tour and interviews you recently shared with the world.
>>16254202>Now I can't look at the moon without feeling regretWhat a fag
>>16254240Keep sucking on Dodd's cock you dumb faggot
>>16254240that's crazy
>>16254240I'm surprised he took that dear moon thing so seriously. I would have appreciated being chosen but taken an attitude of wait and see
>>16254240damn dude that's insanewow
>>16254258can you not understand sarcasm?
>>16254265>>16254258go back to /pol/
>>16254258>>16254265not spaceflight kill yourself
>>16254267>>16254266samefag
>>16254271seriously, go back.
>>16254240your next starbase better be WAY better ya spastic dweeb hat wearing nerd. idk what fuck you uploaded but that shit was amateur-hour lol, maybe next time prepare some real questions instead of saying "dude that's crazy" or "oh wow that's insane" every 10 seconds.
i wanted to see a poet around the moon :(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3deNVM3EWIc
>>16254119are they authentic, original reactions or did he copy-paste reactions from here and from twitter?
>>16254132it's still a ten minute walk from there to the tower
>>16254288Real
>>16254280Something about that movie pisses me off and I can't put my finger on it.
>>16254229stupid frogposter
>>16254240Woah dude that's just insane
>>16254225>stop respect>rape women
>>16254240lol that walltext
>>16254240What's so special about him? Lots of people would like to go to the moon who won't.
>>16254240hi tim
I like how everyone decided that "oh yeah they're defending Tim, they must be Tim."Like, yeah. I don't agree with Tim's reaction. I even said so, calling it very unhealthy to do so and even outlining it as a coping mechanism(those are not healthy in general, but they are also on a spectrum.) I'm just saying that it's 100% understandable reaction, and you're all miserable cunts who don't like genuine expressions of emotion.(I'm also aware those replies are entirely for a joke, but it's just a PERFECT expression of what I'm talking about when I say "cringe culture.")>>16254327I dunno. It could be his camera equipment, his apparent "charm" given Elon keeps inviting him despite his apparent stupidity at times, his 1.6 million subscriber-base that could learn quite a bit from such a trip...Where's your channel with 1.6 million subscribers, anon? Hell, where's mine? If he's not special, why aren't we doing everything he can and is doing, but better? Evidently, there is something that does set him apart, though we can argue if he's any more deserving than another artist. I'm not here to discuss that though, I'm here to discuss spaceflight and just got a bit heated because everyone decided to dogpile him over a really stupid reason.
(You) are Elon, who do (you) invite to tour starbase?
>>16254388I would've invited Kevin like a year ago, but he's off doing a spiritual journey now and has announced his intentions to part ways from space. Unfortunate, really.I guess Felix and Marcus would do really well to interview me. Feel like at least one of them would be able to stoke non-ITAR details outta me.
>>16254384He got big sub count for being in the right place at the right time, algo boosted by basedjack face and quirky astronaut suit. A mix of pure luck and some actually pretty good content if you ignore the onions. Pretty hard to reach that kind of sub count with space shit now since it's chock full of grifters that saw his channel ripping. You know when some hag ass bitch with 10lb of makeup flaunting her tits has a channel about niche male oriented topic that's its well passed saturation.
>>16254388Buzz Aldrin
>>16254388Live translated clear. First vtuber to interview Elon (especially a fem autist who actually knows shit) would get waaaaaay more publicity than captain soi.
What do you guys think stardock-built vessels will look like? I suspect they'll be triangular and blocky, though I can't really explain how I came to the former conclusion. It just seems... correct, especially with my idea of a cargo freighter using mostly hexagonal cargo pods.>>16254395I dunno man, after Neil Armstrong, I don't think he wants to meet his other heroes.On a side note, he married at 93? Jesus.>>16254394>sub countAlright, fair enough. Right time, right place, not much could change that. None the less, the other parts we theoretically could do better if he wasn't that different to us.Ultimately, it doesn't matter. I'm tired of the bashing of someone who doesn't deserve it, but it won't change, despite my pitiful cry into the void that facilitates it. So... back to space flight.
>>16254402>I'm tired of the bashing of someone who doesn't deserve itYou basedface and can't manage an actual interview without repeating the same shit over and over then you get mocked. It's pretty simple.
>>16254398Huh, could be neat, but how the hell would the vtuber be portrayed in meatspace? A segway with a camera, computer and screen attached to it?
>>16254183I'm going to go to that one. I was at Lucy's, I may as well go to this one. Bonus points if it doesn't launch at like 3 am. Night launches are awful (even if the views are spectacular)
>>16254389>Kevin>Felix>Marcusfucking who?
>*whistling 1812 Overture*>*chuckles to himself*He's such an autist lmao
>>16254416>KevinspaceXcentric>FelixWhat About It>Marcus... seriously? Marcus House? Like, out of all of them, I would've expected you to know this one.
>>16254402>I suspect they'll be triangular and blocky, though I can't really explain how I came to the former conclusionSounds like a poor pressure vessel. Next thing you'll want all sort of pointy crap stuck on the outside
>>16254402>after Neil Armstrong, I don't think he wants to meet his other heroesWhat happened when he met Neil?
>>16254422>Next thing you'll want (is some) sort of pointy crap stuck to the outsideNo, unless it's a communications relay but those do better as dishes.The blocky parts are really just exterior hull to provide extra weight to help distribute it around. I don't imagine the interiors to really be that blocky, more so cylinders encased with maybe backup cylinders on larger vessels incase they start leaking.
>>16254418Kino
>>16254424Oh, he didn't really meet Neil, and that's partially the problem.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MoACklnnxk
>>16254240Thats insane man, crazyWow
>>16254427armstrong and cernan weren't exactly anti commercial space. They were just average oldspace "SLS is real" type boomers who were told by their oldspace engineers that what spacex was proposing would likely not succeed. Which in the early 10s wouldn't have been a controversial opinionhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/editors-note-21-06-2012/
>>16254384dude you kept posting lol
>>16254384Never mind Tim, there's always the B Team.
>>16254434Oh yeah no. CBS issued an editor's note after the fact, but the 60 minutes segment aired before the editor's note was even posted(it aired March 6th, 2012, while the editor's note is June 21, 2012.)
>>16254240that's just wow dude
>>16254443There's like nothing to compare it to
>>16254398does clear speak English? or, does Elon even know Japanese?
>>16254439That Scott Manley Kerbal is a bit more terrifying in ways that I cannot possibly describe.Forgive my ignorance but who is Lindybeige?
>>16254445let me get the reacharound shot of youwow
when is the launch of what? idc about the details i just wanna see some rockets fly or explode
>>16254453Ariane 6 maiden launch ion 9th of JulyPolaris Dawn on 12th of JulyStarliner return should be before that
>>16254434>"our" own rockets>"our" what's "ours" faggot, who's "us"?
>>16254453GOES-U literally happened yesterday.According to this site https://www.rocketlaunch.live/, we've got a Firefly Alpha launch today.(Maybe we should add this website to the next OP? It seems pretty handy to have around.)
>>16254439if thunderfoot was fired into space on starship so you think he'd want it to succeed or fail?
>over 1000 posts since I last looked at /sfg/did something happen or did I just forget to look at the threads for a few days?
>>16254461I think everyone would want it to fail.
>>16254466that's insane
>>16254388Kojima
>>16254461Fail in some insignificant way so he can post videos on youtube about it.
>>16254132Without the shadows it looks like they're walking around a minature scale set or something
>>16254461if he were fired into space on a starship as the sole occupant would YOU want it to fail or not?bonus, is it a net positive to humanity?
>>16254466threads have been pretty good between estronaut's interview and certain spergs seemingly taking a vacation
im not following spaceflight a lot, just tuned in casually.It's so cool to see the boosters land on their own
>>16254469yeah
>>16254450>who is LindybeigeInternet meme historian. Mainly does medieval history so not the best choice for a trip to the moon but no worse than Britney I guess
>>16254458>all this different manufacturersIt's incredible it didn't blow up on the pad
>>16254476Hopefully in a few months time, it won't just be the boosters you'll see landing on their own. Exciting times are ahead, enjoy the ride.
>>16254472yeah there's like nothing to compare it to, it's crazy
>>16254476it's the greatest spectacle in rocketry and i'm not convinced anything on this earth is ever gonna top it
>>16254488I dunno man, staggered landings, landing pinpoint on barges in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, or soon-to-be catching 'em with the launch tower. It's hard to pick which spectacle is more impressive.
>>16254086The canadian guy?
>>16254489For me it'll be the booster being caught by the tower, placed back on the stand, then a little while later starship being caught on the same stand and immediately restacked.
>>16254086>>16254490pretty sure it's rich evans since he's 90% dead already
>>16253947>he's behind me, isn't he?
>>16254488That's obviously been reversed, just like all those fake videos of that booster that was obviously taking off from that remote chinese village.
>>16254086>Alright, then we just need a black person who can sacrifice himself in case something goes wrong
>>16253947imagine how problematic this pic would be if it was the black guy on the bottom
>>16254495proof chang's beaten us in the race to the EM drive (with an n2o4 afterburner to boot). citizens began running backwards in spontaneous celebration to mock the backwardness of american launch capabilities.
>>16254502Nah, it's 2024, the most likely guy to sacrifice himself is the white america guy.>>16254505The guy crab walking and the guy holding his hands over his ears gets me everytime
>>16254503meds
>>16254388Valentina Nappi
>>16254395lol Buzz still hates Elon and SpaceX even in 2024
>>16254516No way, proof?
>>16254476Hello, don't stick around, thread is bad enough as it is, nigger.
>>16254516The dude is completely geriatric. He believes what his caretakers tell him to believe.
>>16254505>Chinese rocket absorbs pollution.>Modeled after nature, very humanlike.
>>16254523It doesn't actually absorb pollution. Clever Chinese pre-seed the atmosphere with nitrogen compounds.
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/
>>16253768idk maybe the outer side gets more asteroid bombardment or something
>>16254540
https://orbitalindex.com/archive/2024-06-26-Issue-275/https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/stats/totals.html
>>16254488It hits differently when its a wide shot
>>16254488It's just falling from space, it's so crazy, loony, preposterous. I can't find the right word.
will you be going into space at your earliest available date?
Scott Manley is starting to annoy me with his little aeroplane.
>>1625447418m pebbles launched with a skyhook
>>16254559I am not even think about that, ""affordable"" space tourism won't really kick off until the 2050s probably.
ISS cadaver status?
>>16254388Thunderf00t and CSS.
>>16254626Shaken, not stirred
>>16254629Thunderf00t would unironically enjoy himself, CSS however is a literal commie that would be too scared to show his face in public.
>>16254511hearty kek.
>>16254635>Thunderf00t would unironically enjoy himselfIf Elon gave him a chemistry set to play with, sure.
>>16253767Since Führer simply means leader, isn't appropriate to call von Braun the former Führer of the American space program?And by the same reasoning isn't Elon the Führer of spaceflight?Guten Morgen, mein Führer.
SpaceX has almost reached Nazi levels of technological advancement.
>>16253829I am formulating a hypothesis about testosterone (read: mannishness) correlating positively with jaw structure and military service, in particular working as a test pilot.
>>16254653Here in Antarctica we're following with great interest their progress
>>16253797Hybergoligs
>>16254656you mean here on the far side of the moon?
>>16253838I'm glad to see Blue Origin is doing their part to reduce the environmental impact of orbital launches on the environment!
>>16253850>reckonSay "fish". If you say "fush" I kill you.
>>16254652>Since Führer simply means leader, isn't appropriate to call von Braun the former Führer of the American space program?no, because he was never in charge of it.
>>16254656now thats the kind of alcohol fueled party i like
>>16254664hullo bru, thurs nithin loike cutching a fush at thu bitch
>>16253956The only good democrat (and not coincidentally dead)
>>16253764>sonic boom literal SECONDS from the groundI don't blame ol Jeff. Imagine hearing this shit every 15 minutes all day every day
>>16254011Give them free helicopter tours of Atlantis. Half of them are scum from Caribbean shitholes that crawled out of the ocean in the first place.
>>16254676BO employee here. we're still sorting out all the damage to LC36 from the double sonic booms, but it's clear that everyone's going to be on PTSD leave for weeks.
Whats the most viable industry to have in LEO that would make an independent LEO nation viable?Would starship make an orbital casino viable? With launch price per kilo under a thousand $ you'd probably be able to make money serving the super expensive alcohol and food. As well casino machines are insanely profitable.
>>16254044Thank you for your valuable uninformed opinion on something that's entirely subjective.
>>16254667meth fueled
>>16254681cocaine synthesis. still the best $/kg of any industrial product assuming you're exporting it to the united states.
>>16254127source: it was revealed to me as I tried to think of something to type
>>16254681I suspect the only thing that will really be viable is anything medical. Supposedly some pill manufacturing may benefit, and possibly growing organs as well. Imagine the cost per ton of pills and kidneys, launches and station maintenance would be well worth it.
>>16254202you're a faggot
>>16254682>>16254687>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HOLD OBVIOUSLY CORRECT OPINIONS, SCIENCE PROVES THAT YOUR INSTINCTIVE REVULSION TO SKINNY ROCKETS IS JUST A MEME
>>16254691whoops forgot to change my name. The rest of this board is so shit kek
>>16254691Maybe silicon crystal growing too? Fewer imperfections might be worth it. Idk
>>16254687uhh didn't Musk make the nose more spiky because he liked it that way more? Utilitarinismbros????
>>16254688uhh actually cocaine synthesis isn't competitive against extracting the cocaine from the plant.
>>16254696solar power EROI bout to plummet even more after they start making the damn things in orbit.
>>16254680When all the Blue Origin employees go on leave for a month or two how can anyone tell?
>>16254696It's possible. The benefits would need to be worth the launch cost per unit plus some more to justify initial infrastructure setup. There might honestly be nothing, even with Starship.
>>16254688I didn't know Nick Rekieta read /sfg/
>>16254687Based. /sfg/ is made up of many whiny little cry babies who shit their pants when even the slightest thing off about anything. Learn to appreciate what you have and be thankful for what you will get.
>>16254699>orbital solarWill never make more sense than ground solar, and ground solar may not even be the best option here
>>16254704Orbital is steady and reliable. Perfect for baseload. In fact it's ground solar that doesn't make sense if orbital solar exists.
>>16254704since the other anon said we could grow silicon crystals in space I'm jokingly suggesting the silicon for solar panels will be manufactured in space and then shipped back to Earth.
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1805950824033456203
>>16254708
>>16254710
>>16254711
>>16254710not sharp enough for my taste
>>16254707I completely misread your point kek my bad>>16254706What do you think the cost per kWh would be? Literally everything would be more competitive. Even modern American fission would make more sense.
>>16254708>>16254710>>16254711>>16254713>Ablative
https://x.com/seti_park/status/1805947452048200127>Patent US 2024/0164089 A1 is about a system and method of providing access to compute resources distributed across a group of satellites. This technology aims to provide cloud-services similar to AWS or Azure by utilizing a large-scale satellite constellation like Starlink.
>>16254717nta but how the fuck do you send power from space based solar panels back?inb4 meme microwave deathray beam
>>16254726You charge up batteries and have another starship collect them
>>16254724>Moving compute to the network infrastructure in spaceFUTUREI hate it. Just let me run my processes locally where you can't peep on me.
https://x.com/spacesudoer/status/1805957367399580151>Remarks of Toni Tolker, ESA's director of space transportation about Starship.>"I don’t think Starship will be a game-changer or a real competitor.">He also doubts the economics of reusability.
>>16254736Sounds familiar
>>16254736He's got a point. Don't need to reuse your rocket if you never launch.
>>16254740kek true
>>16254734your pictures will be stored in the cloud and you will like it.
>>16254736>This huge launcher is designed to fly people to the moon and Mars. Ariane 6 is perfect for the job if you need to launch a four- or five-ton satellite.agreed. starship's architecture is too high-energy to be competitive.
>>16254746Why not rideshare on starship?
>>16254736Why does everyone in government space act like Falcon never landed? He may as well be saying he doesn't expect the sun to come up tomorrow because he was covering his eyes when it came up today.Also, what if your satellite not being limited to 6 tons splits the development cost in half?
>>16254749because imagine what would happen if you tried ridesharing on starship and then next thing you check your expensive indonesian tv satellite ended up on mars. you'd look very silly. ariane 6 removes the risk of this failure mode entirely.
>>16254736>Europe is already working on this vision with the development of space cargo, in-orbit refueling, in-space docking systems, and traffic to the Moon using Ariane 6.Europe can't physically do this. A6 could be used for a lunar program but you'd have to break things up over a large number of launches. This means it's not practical because Ariane's production lines max out at 11 vehicles per year and handing 6-8 rockets over to a lunar mission would keep it from launching the European government payloads that were the reason Ariane 6 was developed in the first place.
>>16254736>Useless bureaucrat who kept asking for more and more government gibs is now desperately trying to cover it's own failures.Half of these people honestly live in a different reality and the other half will never admit that Arianegroup is just an EU subsidy for the European MIC
>>16254760I wish it was that much. At least then they'd occasionally produce something.
>>162547361) cant face reality2) a professional liar3) both?Which is it?
>>16254736the article itselfhttps://spacenews.com/europe-aims-to-end-space-access-crisis-with-ariane-6s-inaugural-launch/https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1805955350903788002
>>16254756yeah the ULA ACES papers were talking 20-30 launches per year to support moon landings. and if you're not doing something on that scale then there isn't much reason to do in-orbit refueling. it's brazen spin doctoring to pretend that you're going to ever have ariane 6 and any semblance of reusability or meaningful steps forward in the same space program at the same time.
>>16254681You'd imagine space tugs, orbital debris clean up if they'd be able to set up some kind of international agreement, maybe some niche metallurgy, I remember reading about the synthesis of armalcolite and what >>16254691 said
>>16254746agreed. falcon 9's architecture is too high-energy to be competitive.falcon could never launch 4 or perhaps even 300kg as its sole payload for prices lower than dedicated smallsat launchers one tenth of its physical sizesuch a thing would be silly and would never happenon account of it being too high energy and reusability not being economically viable, of coursethat would be stupid
>>16254688Too risky with ASAT weapons being a thing. Also you better believe everything coming down will be thoroughly inspected.>>16254691Heavily disagree here, I really don't see anything medically useful about 0g and even if there were then the benefit must be pretty massive to justify the cost of doing it off earth.
>>16254765>Out launch needs are so lowThat's very sad.
>>16254769>Too risky with ASAT weapons being a thing.any attack on an orbital narcostate would mean certain cocaine kessler. nobody would dare try.>Also you better believe everything coming down will be thoroughly inspected.so just have starship eject the payload before it lands so it can be recovered separately, just like the pentagon wants for their cargo delivery demo. it's gonna be flying over florida anyway so they're used to having the stuff fall from the sky.
>>16254772>any attack on an orbital narcostate would mean certain cocaine kessler. nobody would dare try.lmao do you seriously believe this?>so just have starship eject the payload before it lands so it can be recovered separatelyFucking lol as if nobody would noticeYou're an idiot.
>>16254724Imagine 40,000 cluster of in-space computes, might as well since they're there and can be resourced
>>16254766>Otherwise, we’re aiming for a steady state of nine flights per year in 2028 and 2029. >Now we’re discussing the operational income over three years with nine launches per yearOkay, this is some serious bad news. Ariane 6 was always being pitched as capable of 11 flights per year once it hit its stride, because that was the max cadence of the Ariane 5 and Soyuz STG added together. A6 was supposed to replace both of those rockets and with the European belief in a completely inelastic market that was all it was ever going to need. Now it's actually lost two of those launches from its most optimistic projections. What did they lose and where did they go?>>16254766And Vulcan/ACES is a bigger rocket so it can actually get by with fewer launches overall. I want to like the Ariane 6 but it's just not capable of being anything more than a medium-weight launcher for government satellites.
>>16254762It is, Ariane 6 was always going to have SRB's, the same SRB's being made by Avio, an Italian company that makes the propulsion system for the Aster 30.Arianegroup itself is a merger between Airbus and Safran (another Aerospace company with major defense links such as being the manufacturer of engines for the Dassault Rafale).
>>16254769> I really don't see anything medically useful about 0g3D printing organs. The tech doesn't exist yet
>>16254778>space nations are reliant on a tech that doesn't exist and may never existI prefer my casino idea.
>>16254777And Ariane 6 is nowhere to be seen.
>>16254778Where did this idea that 3d printing organs in orbit would easier even come from?Where did the idea of 3d printing organs even come from?Is any of this even theoretically viable or did someone suggest it as an investor scam just because it sounds techy?
>>16254783Because it doesn't sag as you're building itHave you never heard of printing organs? It's been talked about for ten years at least. Not in the space sense either, just as tech
>>16254776>What did they lose and where did they go?they've been moved to the launcher, it's all good
>>16254746has just the right energy to be a LEO rocket but doesn't work well for moon mars
>>16254766>tech not in development>launched on rocket out of commission
>>16254787Yeah but is the idea viable or is this like solar freaking roadways?
Should SpaceX transporter and Bandwagon be made illegal because Peter Cuck is crying about SpaceX stealing their customers?
>>16254782>The launcher is fully qualified on the ground. We feel reasonably confident about launching on July 9 as we solve minor problems on a daily basis. On this demonstration flight, we have thousands of sensors on the rocket to measure the performances and validate our models. Then, we’ll need five months until the second flight to analyze all the flight data. It's there, it's just taking its time.
>>16254718It's the plan B in case they lose a tile.Makes totally sense.
>>16254670based kiwiFunny how the aussies can't into space.
>>16254718required for human rating, chud
>>16254772you don't need a whole Starship to land a few hundred kg on Earth. a waverider gives you huge cross range capability
>2017 + 7>still only 1 (one) reusable orbital boosterEven if you waited until after SpaceX proved reuse works to start, you should have finished development and been flying your own by now. Hell, SpaceX practically has a second one before anyone else has their first.
>>16254811maybe they can go for three
>>16254811At least a bunch are launching this year or the next.
>>16254811SpaceX is ~15 years ahead of everyone else.
>>16254726make energy bricks and drop them down to earth. you could make an energy fluid too i guess but the storage is more problematic
>>16254822globs of molten salt can survive reentry heating just fine
>>16254726Microwaves
just build solar panels in deserts. 40% the effectiveness of space based solar panels.
>>16254726The ability to boil left wing revolutionaries and middle eastern dictators you don’t like is a feature, not a bug.
>>16254724cooling and power requirements are two major constraints for compute infrastructure on earthso we'll move them to space where cooling is harder and power is less available?to say nothing of maintenance costswow, an EC2 node that's slower than my laptop and costs $100,000 / hr?! yes, please!
>>16254834might be a defensive patent, who knows
>>16254828Not spaceflight, also brain-dead take
>>16254834>so we'll move them to space where cooling is harder and power is less available?Lmao you know nothing.Power is readily available in space cause of that big ball of plasma in the sky. Cooling is trivial as well, all you need is a passive solar shield, look at all that was required to cool skylab.
>>16254736>reusability is only important if and to the extent we have reusable hardwareeurope remains the leader in homosexuality and cope
Why do anons still fall for the Kessler meme here? Are they just newfags?
>>16254841>>16254834Also heres a photo of the sun shield being made an they just have a seamstress stitching it together lol
>>16254841>Cooling is trivialThis, so long as you're not running nuclear or fusion you're good
Here's my whacky, dumb idea of the day, on the inside of the tank, if you had like the tank configured to hold atomic pulse units but left it empty, you have like a launch clamp, that loads up your tanks, just recover the craft and get money for your apus if you run low. Recover the craft and get funds for all the nukes. I don't know.
>>16254840>>16254841
>>16254736A6 can't even compete with F9
>>16254843yes, it's also a classic EDS talking point.
>>16254848That you bro?
>>16254824I believe he's talking about energon.
>>16254849Ariane 6 was only ever planned to be a cheaper version of the Ariane 5>We are working to achieve the 40% [cost reduction] goal set in 2014, and we shall get there. In 2022 and 2023, Europe suffered from high inflation, but that is now slowing down. We have asked the commercial operator Arianespace, the aerospace company ArianeGroup, and the suppliers for more cost reductions.It's not actually cheaper
>>16254834low IQ post
>>16254854>we tried asking them to lower their prices, not really much else we can do
>>16254854>It's not actually cheaperNothing designed and built by committee is ever cheaper.
Flammable tape and helium leaks. Man you got to love Boeing.
>>16254844Of course they do how else would they make it?
>>16254736Starship literally cannot make Ariane 6 absolute>why fagBecause F9 already did so kek!
>>16254841>cooling is easy. we'll just stay out of the sunlight>power is easy. we'll just stay in the sunlightyou are very wisealso none of this refutes the truth that cooling and power are still orders of magnitude harder in spaceon earth these problems reduce to "stick the warm thing in cold water" and "pay your utility bill"
>>16254861>keep the solar panels in the sun>keep the other stuff out of the sun
>>16254861lollmao
I have come to the sudden realization that you are all insufferable fuckwads
>>16254864>>16254864samefag
>>16254856>It’s underway, but we don’t want the European industry to lose money either. Arianespace was very considerate about the matter
>>16254862This, use your solar panel AS your sunshade. Why not? Fewer parts.>>16254864I'm sorry it took this long, you're probably slow
>>16254861You're so fucking stupid.Look at this picture of skylab >>16254841Do you see how they achieved both cooling and power generation at the same time?
>>16254864Are you a newfag or just really inattentive?
>>16254841>>16254855cooling on earth is definitely easier than in space, where you have to solely rely on radiating it away instead of just dumping it into the fluid you're immersed in.power is also easier on earth because you have loads of power infrastructure readily available instead of having to bring your own.
Whos watching the chopstick test?
>>16254855explain why it's beneficial to put compute infrastructure in orbit and how it's practical (you cannot)
>>16254736>they’ve learned literally nothing from 10 years of falcon 9 moggingGod fucking hell, i’m a yuro and this is one area where literally 100% of burger jeering is completely justified.I fucking hate these faggots, i apologize that we europe sucks ass and can’t even compete with america to help foster industry growth.
>>16254871>bringing solar panels with you is harder than setting up an entire electric grid>active cooling on earth is easier than just bringing a solar shield with you
>>16254869Yeah, now try to put a data center in thereReal easy, right?
https://poal.me/r0qhdj
>>16254874Its free usage of platform dumbass. And future proofing. If SpaceX needs to do a calculations on their own, they can call their Starlink. They dont need to pay Amazon or Microsoft. They dont need to build one since its already in space. They have freaking multiple lasers on the system. They have a robust cooling system that can handle couple kw of power usage from compute. If it only has 1 single GPU with compute capability of 4060 ti for its own satellite compute, thats free compute to use when its not being utilized.
>>16254876you don't have to build an entire electric grid, it's already there.Also yes, cooling on earth is easier than in space, it's just physics, anon.
>>16254873https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8jkRfGA6XE
>>16254875I think last thread someone linked an article about the head of chinas space program saying they need to humbly learn from spacex.How are the chinese more humble than the euros?
>>16254883No, the china article was about how they shouldn't just blindly follow SpaceX's metrics as SpaceX is only focus on one while China's own space industry has multiple different functions.
>>16254884No that was the dumbass journos opinion.The head of the program said they needed to learn humbly still.
>>16254885Link it, you're misreading it
>>16254736I do not like the posthock reasoning on display here. The decision to not pursue reuse for A6, not made because of low volume of expected flights, but because of the belief that reuse would not be doable or if it could be done that it would not be cost effective. This is on top of the various component manufacturers wanting to ensure steady orders.The "low volume of flights" cope is an admission that they do not see any market for the A6, it will only support government launches. They could have made so much by supporting the kuiper launches, but they cannot up the flight rate. The failure was baked in from the start.
>>16254878Not clicking this shit nigger post a strawpoll stating the contents or fuck right off
>>16254886>t’s worth noting that even China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), the largest state-run aerospace company of China, has officially acknowledged that it’s “larger in size but weaker in capabilities” compared to SpaceX, asks practitioners to “always keep humble” and “resolutely overcome pride and complacency.”https://spacenews.com/china-may-need-adjust-approach-toward-spacex/that is indeed what he say and everything else in the article is a journalist being a retard.
>>16254894>However, it is essential to consider a broader perspective on the rise of such an aerospace giant under the current geopolitical circumstance, instead of simply “learning from it in modesty.” In other words, how could China develop a more pragmatic view on SpaceX?>Initially, is it too hasty for CASC to draw this conclusion? Though SpaceX excels in developing launch vehicles, the field of aerospace encompasses a vast array of systemic engineering challenges of which launch vehicle development is only one component. It’s superficial to evaluate the overall strength of a space program based solely on one or few facets.Read the next two paragraph. Dumbass. Thats the crux of the article. What its arguing is that Chinese space industry being humble is due to confusion. The article says its wrong because SpaceX only has one strength while China has all others to focus. One of which was highlighting an example about how SpaceX hasnt even launched anything to Mars even though its dreaming about it.
>>16254848
>>16254897Also to add, this article is a cope article for China. Possibly even a propaganda for some domestic or even foreign purpose, if it has anything to do with state funding
>>16254892>be ariane>build expendable rocketwhy?>because we expect a low volume of flightswhy?>because europe doesn’t build very many satelliteswhy?>because satellites are expensive and artisinal to buildwhy?>because you have to shave off every bit of mass we can because launch costs are highwhy?>well because we throw away the rocket with every launch, and we don’t build a lot of themwhy?>well because we expect a low volume of flights of course!I FUCKING HATE THIS CONTINENT, burgers please just come actually puppet state us like chinks and vatnigs think you do already.
>>16254901>be europeanThis is where it went wrong unfortunately
is there an ETA on the catch test?
>>16254834Not sure why people are clowning on you. The government's recent interest in micro nuclear combined with starlink means that you can just set up acres of servers up north for way less than launching them
>>16254907the exact second the NSF grifting stream ends after 10 hours
>>16253989Didn't the Ultrakill dev ask people who pirated the game to shill it instead?
>>16254897Yeah thats the journos opinion, not the opinion of the head of chinas space program, as can be evidenced by the fact there are no quotes around it.ls your reading comprehension so bad you think this entire article is the opinion of the chinese space program and not just some chinese journo coping?
>>16254808funny, this looks like a medieval tapestry figure or icon at first glance
>>16254798Imagine what the political response to A6 will be if the first flight is anything but a success
>>16254916>Chengxin ZhangHe's a Chinese thinktank (in China) researcher with specific major in international political economics. Its a political propaganda from the think tank. Its not a journalistic piece but a paid sponsored article.>ls your reading comprehension so bad you think this entire article is the opinion of the chinese space program and not just some chinese [] coping?You have it other way around.
>>16254901>burgers please just come actually puppet state usthat's literally Europe's problem>chinks and vatnigskys /k/ike
>>16254921I bet it goes fine but even if something goes wrong I doubt it will kill A6 permanently. Europe is already dedicated to it on the basis of being a native launcher alone
https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1805995951485575623
what is this?
>>16254928
>>16254928so dream chaser is launching on a falcon 9?
>>16254928>the second launch of this rocket will no longer carry this payload because it will miss the flight rateWhat the fuck does this even mean?
>>16254931How embarrassing!
>>16254930ULA suicide drone camouflaged as a bird
>>16254923lol coping and seething thirdie contrarian.
>>16254930balloon chads
>>16254936Need to launch government sats by end of year. Government doesn’t trust rocket until it has flown twice. Dream chaser won’t be ready in time to launch two missions after it but still this year.
>>16254940venusians observing the martians
>>16254922> Its not a journalistic piece but a paid sponsored article.I see no evidence that this is paid for by anyone. To me it looks like this is some guy at a university arguing the chinese government is wrong. Risky but in short not the official opinion of the chinese government which this article directly contradicts as evidenced by the quotes in the article.Like I know it sucks getting compared unfavorably to china but you're kinda proving my point that euros are too arrogant to learn from others by arguing this stupid bullshit.
>>16254932No, it'll launch on a Vulcan, but now it might be slipping into early to mid 2025. ULA can't wait that long.
>>16254931Launching a boiler plate mission AFTER an inaugural flight w/ an active payload is crazy
>>16254941Ohhhh he’s saying Vulcan will miss the flight rate
wtf why are they slapping b14.1???
>>16254945https://www.scmp.com/author/chengxin-zhang>Glory Diplomacy Youth Think Tank, China.There are plenty of Chinese articles about this think tank, but its all in chinese so i cant be bothered to read with machine translation
>>16254931That unspecified customer has to be USSF-51. Atlas V is the only other launch vehicle ULA has left and 51 is the last spooky payload that Atlas is going to carry. It's weird that Tory would have to hush about the exact launch date when this has been planning for a launch this summer for a while now.
>>16254953You keep making these points that do nothing to address the meat of the apparent issue.Do you have any evidence whatsoever that his opinion is the official opinion of the chinese space program and government? Do you have a single shred of evidence that this guys words should be taken as more official than the head of the chinese space program who words directly contradict his as he showed in his own article?
>>16254956maybe they're worried about spysats getting maneuvered to watch the payload deployment if they know the date ahead of time or something, i dunno
>>16254931lmao they really couldnt find a single person will to pay for that shit
>>16254931So bruno is basically saying they will do a boiler plate, some other govt spooksat, Cert-2, AND 2 additional launches before the end of the year? Fat chance man
>>16254960launching some smallsat is probably not worth the trouble and launching a big satellite would have a long lead time
>>16254957Think tanks are arm of Chinese government lmao.
>>16254923TZD
>>16254968Cert-2 is the boiler plate. It’s one mission
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1805990376634757505
>>16254970Let me restart.Do you have any evidence whatsoever that his opinion is the official opinion of the chinese space program and government? Do you have a single shred of evidence that this guys words should be taken as more official than the head of the chinese space program who words directly contradict his as he showed in his own article?No, think tanks being an arm of the chinese government, even if true, doesn't in anyway make it the official opinion of the chinese space program and government. Nor does it mean that this guys words should be taken as more official than the head of the chinese space program who words directly contradict his as he showed in his own article.
>>16254949The fact that the government forced ULA to exist due old space fuck ups is crazy
There were signshttps://spacenews.com/pentagon-urges-ula-to-fly-dummy-payload-on-next-vulcan-launch-if-dream-chaser-is-delayed/>ULA could fly dummy payload on next Vulcan launch if Dream Chaser is delayed
>>16254974i like how starlink is so powerful that if you were to ignore the govts pleas you could literally just allow starlink connections in oppressive shitholes and completely nullify all their censorship lol.not to say there wouldn't be obvious political repercussions but if you felt like being cheeky you could just fuck up china's optics department (not to say they couldn't jam some of the sats and catch people occasionally by tracing the signal, but good luck filling up every crack.)
>>16254983China wouldn't be a bear to poke with that, since they have a range of political or technical options they could respond with. That said, we did this in Iran a few years ago by smuggling a few dozen terminals in for activist groups and that there was fuck all Tehran could do to stop it.
>>16254883Because Chinese politicians want to make China better while the goal of European politicians is a downfall of the continent.
>>16254987Sounds like a stupid goal. Don't know why the euros would make that their goal.
>>16254989white guilt
>>16254989A bunch of green politicians in Germany pushed to get their countries nuclear power plants shut down in favor of renewable alternatives. Those failed to come online which led to Germany importing a lot of more coal and natural gas from Russia. Later it was discovered that these politicians' campaigns were heavily funded by Gazprom, the Russian state-owned petrochemical exporter. It usually goes a bit deeper than "lol euros are all dum," bu the end result looks the same from an outside perspective.
>>16254987>>16254989It's a general misconception that representative democracies serve the citizenry.What really happens is the power shifts to the media or whomever can change the most minds. I think I'll leave it at that.
>>16255012
https://x.com/spacesudoer/status/1805988112277102818holy shit lmaaooo
>>16255014What are you asking?
>>16254689It's heavily suggested in that one former employee's video that something like that exists, but it's a lot less rigid than real skunkworks. It's more so just a "hey do you wanna work on something unique for a few months?" Some people happen to dedicate themselves to such projects, while others don't
>>16255015musk replied to a post quote tweeting spacesudoers posthttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1805631462433341867and also to another of his postshttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1805632245081980935
>>16254743At least the name "cloud" makes a hell of a lot more sense in the case that it's a cluster of satellites.
>>16254923you have no space program you have no prestige
So yesterday i read here that starliner was still capable of returning to earth because the leaks where in the part that they ditch But now i see all boomer media saying its fucked and they cant use it anymore to return to earth. Is it just retarded journalists creating clickbait again or did i miss something?
>>16254982why can't they fly my university's microsat instead?
>>16255029That would be actual mass, not simulated
what sort of machines will be used in the tunnels of Mars.
>>16255028its Spacexes falt
>>16255028>Is it just retarded journalists creating clickbait againyes, just like there's an article when absolutely anything happens to a boeing plane.
>>16254983the CIA is already using them for this purpose while chasing aliens around the jungles of South America and SEAsia
>>16255030What if I put some rocks in a box and write "my university's microsat" on it in sharpie?Does it stop being simulated mass if my intent is to study how a box of rocks behaves in space, even if I have no way to measure it up there? Is it a mass simulator or just a shitty satellite?
>>16255028I don't see why it would make return impossible.Helium isn't prop after all.
jokes aside. temperature control in space really isn't as easy as on Earth
>>16254783Even if orbital 3d printed organs were 5% better it'd be worth it, because you can do It in orbit, claim that your orbital organs are better and jack the price 500%I worked at a biotech company, asked about why we used gold on the biosensors, and there legitimately wasn't any technical reason. Marketing and the CEO believed that it was a cool thing to put on the marketing and the clients liked the golden sheen, so the clients trusted them more and we charged more.
>>16255035Rocks have real mass, not simulated mass
>>16255035Rocks have actual mass, not simulated mass
>>16255040>>16255041NPC answer.
>>16255040>>16255041simulated mass hivemind.
>>16255028>are journalists lying?yes, next question
>>16255040>>16255041Wasn't Elon's Tesla a "mass simulator" for Falcon Heavy? It wasn't a real payload (satellite) but it sure had real mass.>>162550444chan is simulated interaction
>>16255039Fair although although still no answer as to if it's actually feasible.
>>16255048The roadster was a dummy payload, but it had actual mass. Mass simulators just simulate actual mass.
>>16255015Malding baldy alert [math]\unicode{x1F6A8}[/math]
>>16255055So it's ok to body shame now that it's Bezos? Wow classy
>>16255015anticompetition lawsuit
>>16255055 go back to plebbit alert
>>16255056I body shame Elon Musk and I like him so, yeah
the virgin hair implant haver vs chad skinhead
>>16255048They're just "pretending to be retarded" because it's funny, don't worry about it.
>>16255060Both beta cuck manlet rebbitors
>>16255060a meal worth of two billionaires.
delta iv h
>>16255060Both lost their hair, one (correctly) thought baldies were ugly and paid to fix it, the other tried to convince himself it was cool and he looked like his hero from space trek.
>>16255060elon used to be shaped like a normal human. Now he has that hormone injection build (ugly)
>>16255066I agree, some hair is better than no hair
>>16255068Wrong. Shave that head of your Zoobrine you will look better
>>16255068Come on man, shave that shit. Have some shame Dr. Z…
>>16255068zoobrin picked the worst of both worlds.At some point you need to give up on the comb-over, it's just theatre.
>>16255067what caused his facial changes. His entire face now looks different.
>>16255062>pretending
>>16255073elon looks so handsome like his dad
>>16255073age can have that effect, anon.
>>16255073joe biden
>>16255074retarded frogposter[math]\unicode{x2744}\unicode{x1F9DA}\unicode{x1F976} \unicode{x2744}\unicode{x1F438}\unicode{x2744} [/math]
>>16255079Not spaceflight fuck off back to deddit
>>16255090Get out of here janny
>emojiposting on 4chan
>>16255097it's a /sci/ thing with [math]\LaTeX[/math] and unicode
>>16255098stupid frogposter
Follow the white rabbit, Raptor V3 shall be called "Hawk".https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1806011322238206432
>>16255128it's going to be called "raptor" because it's the same engine as the first one despite every part being differentship of theseus and all that
>>16255090frog website
did they test the chopsticks yet
>>16255143Yes, earlier today
>>16255135a-animesisters...
>>16255143Yes long lehao has eaten, now he must go contemplate Long March 9 for the next month before changing designs again
>>16255121whoah that's insane
>>16255161yeah
>>16255161just the scale of it
>>16255161stupid doddposter
https://x.com/JaraySzabolcs/status/1805932166322274330
>>16255184
>>16255185
>>16255187wtf
>>16255073
>>16255184What a cool graph
>>16255184>>16255185>>1625518722nd booster reuse launch coming up
>>16255234What do you think the record is going to be by the time the falcon family is retired?
>>16255235~42 prob
>>1625523542
>>16255235Probably less than 30Once starship gets going, falcon will only be useful for high energy orbits, making them expended much more often
That guy from BPS Space looks like Elon
>>16255242literally unironically seriously who???
>>16255244That guy from BPS Space are you illiterate?
>>16255244"Amateur" making his own solid rockets.Maybe you've seen this video.https://youtu.be/SH3lR2GLgT0
>>16255244Some autist who decided he had to land a solid fueled model rocket like a Falcon, despite a bunch of people telling him that model rockets have been flying hybrid engines for decades and that would be a lot easier and more straightforward than the retarded design he came up with.
>>16255258I want you to explain in detail what you think makes landing a model rocket easier using hybrids.You know the ones that exist at the amateur scale aren’t throttleable or restartable, right?
>>16255242Better, Gideon from Locke & Key
>>16255242woah, insane
>>16255265It's a lot easier to design a throttling/restarting hybrid at estes scale than it to design a throttling system for a burning slug of black powder. When this was pointed out to him his response was to call hybrids retarded and insult or block anyone who suggested them as an option. I respect the man's commitment to the project but he's a bad engineer when his hyperfixation can make him autoreject any solution that's not the one he's already fallen in love with.
>>16255242I bet elon has been to every spermbank in the western world. Saving the world, one nut at a time.
>>16255242Oh my God, he even has Elon's hairline
>>16255286hybrids suck, you suck
>>16255287I just read that he had 5 more kids afte XAE. what the fuck
>>162552963 with grimes (including X) and 3 with shivon zillis now, I wonder how high its going to godoesnt look like he is stopping soon and they could crank out a bunch with surrogates
>>16255293And that's exactly the response he would give. Wild. If he'd just been a little bit more normal and bought a few nitrous cartridges he could have probably landed his rocket four or five years ago.
https://x.com/eager_space/status/1806057334076293356https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNFdR-UpZS8
>>16255307it's... over?
>>16255309It's just getting started
>>16255235420 lmao
>>16255286You’re now asking him to design a hybrid motor, basically from scratch for a largely unrelated project.The hybrids at the 29mm scale use whippits and weigh 5 to 6 oz for E impulse as compared to 3.6 oz for the estes F engines he used. That’s eating a lot into his mass budget that’s already full of thrust vector and telemetry weight. As far as I am aware all hybrids available on the market use a burst disk to control nitros flow, not the valve which would be required for throttle and restarts. They also need a preheater grain to get the fuel burning. I don’t know if that would be necessary for a restart after 5 seconds but if it is, how you would design a motor to hold two.
>>16255315The beginning... of the end............
>>16255307
>>16255242BePiS Space :DDDD
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1806062688176353576lmao
>>16255337https://www.spaceintelreport.com/europes-ariane-6-managers-now-say-it-publicly-competing-against-spacex-is-no-longer-relevant-to-us/
https://x.com/Eruudite_TWRr/status/1806010434207862942
>>16255331
>>16255307So the payload to LEO is 50t at most but by slightly elongating Starship and increasing thrust of Raptor they will get to 100t... how?
>>16255322My guy, no one here cares about your youtube project. We don't know you and don't care about you. The best part of being a fucking nobody is that you don't need to wall of text some justification for your design choices. You just need to accept that we're not going to jerk you off for your design brilliance.
>>16255338>>16255337>We have completely given up and will continue to limp toward our demise on a dwindling supply of government launchesMore sad than funny, and it's still pretty funny. I genuinely think the only thing that can save the European spirit is some massive social upheaval that results in the dissolution of the EU and a proliferation of autocrats. Otherwise that entire region is just sliding down the drain and won't participate in space colonization in any significant way.
>>16255351There's a specific type of schizophrenia on 4chan where people think literally everyone is on their board, in their general. The guy has over half a mil subs and regularly gets a quarter mil views, why the fuck would he be here? What's more likely, this internet micro celebrity is defending himself to you on 4chan right now, or an anon in the rocket general knows a lot about hobby rockets
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-international-space-station-us-deorbit-vehicle/spacex wins a $843m contract to deorbit the ISS
>>16255349the thrust affects how much propellant you can carry which affects the mass ratio which affects payloada fully reusable system has a very shit payload ratio to start and apparently (according to eager space) raptor 1 on IFT-1 had basically 0 tons to orbit capability as reusable
>>16255362so is this going to be starship? it says that the deorbit vehicle has to burn up too
>>16255362the american space program is basically spacex at this point
>>16255356Go away BarNERD
>>16255362NOOO HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>16255365dragon XL maybe
>>16255348
>>16255362>pushes it into a museum orbit
>>16255362ELON MASK DESTROYS NASA'S INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION
>>16255307Fantastic and informative video.Really feel like I understand starships development better now.
>>16255362>SpaceX born from ISS resupply >ISS put out of its misery by SpaceX It's poetic, like it rhymes
>>16255356Over on /co/ there are/were (not as much these days) creators of shows on actual network TV hanging out only semi-incognito, along with lots of artists of major webcomics. /k/ is frequented by youtubers with follower counts in the millions. This site has never been a secret.
the best part of BPS Space is Traffic Cone (ifykyk)
>>16255362Why can't they just park the fucking thing in MEO indefinitely? They could declare it the site and sole exhibit of the orbital campus of the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum.
>>16254458what is S&ID? can't figure it out
>>16255337Fucking pathetic. What worthless maggots
>>16255389Because the ISS is a joint venture with Russia. Both parties want to deorbit the station. Parking it in some other orbit creates an opportunity to generate rogue orbital debris by actors who want to test weaponry and/or is now a target for uncooperative or sanctioned actors to engage in a human mission to capture and commandeer US/International partners + Russian IP.The best way to safely deconstruct all those factors is by deorbiting the station into the middle of the pacific.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/some-european-launch-officials-still-have-their-heads-stuck-in-the-sand/>"What I'm discovering in the market is that SpaceX primarily seems to be selling a dream, which is good. We should all dream," Bowles replied. "I think a $5 million launch or a $15 million launch is a bit of a dream. Personally, I think reusability is a dream. How am I going to respond to a dream? My answer to respond to a dream is, first of all, you don't wake people up.">Later in the discussion, Bowles added that he did not believe launching 100 times a year, something that SpaceX was starting to talk about, was "realistic." Then, in a moment of high paternalism, he turned to the SpaceX official on the panel and said, "You shouldn't present things that are not realistic."...>But to say Starship will not be a game-changer represents the same head-in-the-sand attitude displayed by Bowles a decade ago with his jokes about not waking the deluded dreamers up. In hindsight, it's clear that the dreamers were not SpaceX or its customers. Rather, they were European officials who had lulled themselves into thinking their dominance in commercial launch would persist without innovation.
>>16255362Sensible choice. You could probably borrow a lot of the design work from Dragon XL
>>16255398https://x.com/FNarolles/status/1784706673749242186
>>16255362Now that spacex has demonstrated the ability to livestream hd video during the entirety of decent with ift4, do you think we’ll get ISS deorbit kino live on X?
>>16255398absolutely brutal in hindsight
>>16255365To me it seems that the key target for this is to safely de-orbit and not be near any population zones. My cope will be a ISS module capture with an ASDS landing off the coast of Hawaii.
>>16255398>>16255403https://x.com/FNarolles/status/1784706679726117137The video of the event from ~10 years ago
>>16255348ULA was right?
>>16255389The superior Salyut and Skylab burned up so why should the International Shit Station get saved?
>>16255362Wait holy shit this is HUGE. People have been talking about this award for a long time. For the last ~9 years it was basically accepted that this would be a huge pork barrel contract on par with ISS / SLS funding just for one mission. And it would be going to Boeing, LockMart, or some other big contractor. I didn’t think they would actually give it to SpaceX.
>>16255389elon should steal the ISS and take it to mars. for the luls
>>16255412>Superior Skylab The thing was dying by the end not to mention NASA's incompetence on it's solar modelling and shuttle progress
does someone know how Boeing checks if a college diploma is legit? I want to fake a Stanford physics degree to get hired there.
>>16255435They probably will but I don't think they can call the cops on ya.Just work for an internship, that way you can bug out if you do get hired.>>16255412They both should've been saved too, but now we have the technology and companies to save it this time
>>16255307>twix followerskek
>>16254930>>16254940Doesn't the army use those to spy
>>16255442Right or left twix?
>>16255362It is over
>>16255362pinnacle of government inefficiency. 1 hecking billion to destroy a spacecraft lololol
SPACEX GETS ISS DEORBIT CONTRACTSTARSHIP KINO AHEADhttps://x.com/NASA/status/1806077416525185486
>>16255397NK and China couldn't steal and or commandeer the ISS
>>16255445i'm rightoid twix follower
>>16255135based
>>16254983Musk would not dare do that to china, if you've never noticed he's extremely quiet on china because he knows how the chinese game works, if he starts criticizing china it's over for Tesla shanghai
>>16255135NOOOOO SHE WAS CUTE
>>16255152It's okay, she's not anime.
>>16255398What is wrong with Europeans?
https://x.com/JerryPikePhoto/status/1806073242261594562>Blue Origin's Harvey Stone departed Port Canaveral this afternoon with it's destination set as Brest, France. This happens to be the location of Blue's new Landing Platform 1. Potentially a third droneship arriving at the cape soon?
>>16255467They lack ambition
>>16255467Too arrogantPride comes before the fall
2 stag3 rentery is not needed, and SpacX should abonded that and contines with second stage not reusable, then it can send 150 ton plus as its now..and can do 350 tonne with minor upgareds to engine, first stage and do almunim 2 end stage ,and for mars and moon they can spicial 3rd stage ship like vehicles without heat shield, and theyvcan refule with one tanker vechiles not resuable..the problem.with musk is that he still want to prove the concept...but..risk...insurance...emolyee cost..etc...will never make 2nd stage econimical...cause once you can do 300 tonn with the large 1st stage reovered, why care about a steeal can with only 6 engines when you reovered 35 engines and ur very large stage...makes no sense
>>16255477can someone translate this into non-retard
>>16255452>disassemble and stuff inside three Starships >various museums keep the parts
>>16255470Brest
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1806083307269919125Neat. Starlink manuevered to protect itself during last month's solar storm. Starlink users only felt minor performance degradations that amounted to <1%
>>16255135Have a very degen picrel to this.. maybe i'll post after we stage.
>>16255467Marxism
>>16255467The last time they were able to innovate was when they were trying to kill each other. Now they aren’t so they don’t have a reason to and the powers that be are forcing them to work together which they never wanted to do.
>>16255467meanwhile americans
>>16255479I think he's saying SpaceX should've just scaled up the falcon 9 model. It's a reasonable argument, especially with the steel. What would an expendable second stage cost? Could you get 350 tons for F9 prices? Maybe. That might even be what they do, but SpaceX always aims high first.
>>16255493Spaceflight?
>>16255493stupid frogposter
>>16255452>2030And thereafter space travel will be banned for environmental reasons
what will the ISS deorbit tug look like?
>>16255499
>>16255513Starship is probably going to scoop the parts up and bring them back down to put in a museum
>>16255513Poetic if it's a Starship (which then raises its own orbit back up and docks with another nearby station to deliver some stuff)
>>16255513
>>16255374>IT BELONGS IN LEO
>>16255521Wouldn't a museum be HEO or GEO?
>>16255487Here's a non Twitter link so you don't give that faggot a view https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-heres-how-starlink-satellites-weathered-mays-major-solar-storm
NASA has contracted SpaceX to remove Starliner (stuck to the ISS) from orbit, by deorbiting the entire ISS.https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-international-space-station-us-deorbit-vehicle/
>>16255467This whole place is just rotten. Everyone seems to be tired of everything and to not care about anything beyond his private life. I could write a long essays but it boils down to the simple issue, nobody cares. Nobody cares, so the must corrupt scumbags get to become politicians and choose more and more ridiculous policies. It keeps getting worse and nobody cares.And those annoying fags you see online are mostly leftists for whom lying is as natural as breathing.
>>16255523I guess it would depend on where they park the space hotels
>>16255362>eight hundred and forty three million dollars to unbolt the ISS sections and stuff them inside starship HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>16255187>found a couple of boosters stuck under the couch cushions
>>16255304>womb reuse
>>16255529This pretty much. The left is half bought by foreign interests and half delusional about europe being relevant and able to fund insane vanity projects, the right is convinced everything is the fault of niggers and ragheads, that the farmers need even more gibs and are delusional about europe being relevant and able to fund insane vanity projects. The centre will flipflop between those two states while also coming up with insane moral panic tier legislature to make sure nothing of worth can ever be made on the continent unless its recipe was handed down by seven generations of virginal maidens.
>>16255513Someone do a better shop job please
>>16255535>unbolt the ISS sectionscan't be done, you'd have to cut them apart.the whole shitbox is going in the south pacific and that's that
>>16255545a module or two are being transferred to the axiom station
>>16255412Skylab burned up because Shittle was taking too long to build, so we had nothing to boost it with, and then the sun decided to be an asshole and make Skylab's orbit decay faster.
>>16255513>Dragon XL>Modified Cargo Dragon with extra fuel>Starship?
>>16255551I've been to that petrol station in the middle of nowhere. My disappointment upon discovering that isn't a real piece of Skylab was immeasurable.
>>16255553sue for Fraud
>>16255551the assumption was that shuttle would be flying much more frequently than turned out and lifting modules for a brand new station would hence be nbd
>>16255558
>>16255558>aliens visit earth>they see a spaceship munching on a space station>they "nope.exe" and exit the solar system
>>16255513I'd imagine it'd look a lot like this if the dry cargo was replaced with extra fuel tanks
>>16255558Considering Starship has higher payload volume than ISS this should be possible
>>16255513A tanker variant of Dragon XL.
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1806093146281144440Reminder, everyday half a dozen or so engines from SpaceX gets fired up and tested
>>16255541>right is convinced everything is the fault of niggers and ragheadsIt's like one of a few major problems of modern Europe, after dismantled industry and the poor state of energy infrastructure. If you fixed this question, cities would become much safer, people could actually walk alone at night without risking of getting robbed, many gangs would stop existing. Moreover, lots of money could be saved since they're mostly welfare queens.But this is just getting offtopic, nevermind.
NASA doesn't want you to know this but the space stations in LEO are free. You can take them home.I have an ISS at home. (home is mars orbit)
>>16255529>nobody caresIf only that was the case, then Europe would be much better today. Its not. Its not just that Europeans as people dont care, its that they do not want successful people to stand out and come to the light. Tall poppy syndrome. This is one of those marxist things that rich = evil, success = bad, etc. Marxism a civilization destroying meme.
Collins pulled out>https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2024/06/26/nasa-collins-xevas-update/>After a thorough evaluation, NASA and Collins Aerospace have mutually agreed to descope the existing task orders on the Collins Exploration Extravehicular Activity Services contract. This descope includes ending the International Space Station suit demonstration, which was targeted for 2026. No further work will be performed on the task orders. This action was agreed upon after Collins recognized its development timeline would not support the space station’s schedule and NASA’s mission objectives.
>>16255572Man that exhaust is so much cleaner than any other rocket. Even if the cores end up sooty
>>16255553bladdy loyin ratbahgs
>>16255582Grifters, grifters everywhere
wtf since when is /b/ a porn board?
>>162555882003
>>16255588Like 10+ years ago?
so when is the ISS getting deorbited?
>>162555912030+
>>16255551The Skylab Reboost Module only weighed 4500 kg. A Titan III could have sent that to the station with mass to spare. The real problem was that this was before the TDRSS satellites were launched so NASA would have only been able to teleoperate the vehicle during the brief windows when it was in range of a ground station and I guess that made the mission too hard.
>>16254724>>16254734>>16254775>>16254834Stop saying "compute"
>>16255600Too computationally intensive to use other words, sorry.
>>16255412Redditlab (give me the image again)
>>16255600you first
>>16255470Hear me out what if bezos built a mobile platform, took it out to europe, and used New Glenn to undercut A6 lmfao
>>16255572WOOAAOW MACH DIAMONDS???!?! DAE ANYBODY ELSE LOVE MACH DIAMONDS?!?!? ***SHITSS PANTS UNCONTROLLABLY***
>>16255615Europe doesn't actually launch anything from Europe.
https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1806095086574313811>NASA white paper explaining why the agency believes it needs to dump the ISS into the ocean in 2030: https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/iss-deorbit-analysis-summary.pdf?emrc=667c97a20241b
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMF6KNU_cbQLiftoff footage of IFT-2 taken from a US Customs and Border Protection surveillance blimp
>>16255627airshipbros we fucking WON
>>16255627https://x.com/TheRocketFuture/status/1806101859599335931
>>16255619Is this remote shithole a suitable place for SpaceX to build a massive starship complex? Surely the indigenous here can be pushed aside and environmental concerns shrugged off. Or will the pompous French not allow that, because they are arrogant and obnoxious? Seems like a potentially decent launch location, and France is not going to thieve the ITAR stuff as much as other tropical nations will.
>>16254940>>16255627same blimp?
>>16255618Mach diamonds are cool as hell, it isn't cool or funny to be a contrarian
>>16255635I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.
>>16255600Compute deez nuts nigger
>>16255635>>16255631>>16255627
>>16255634No. Complete coincidence
>>16255600>cannot computetfw
>>16255633The US has a launch site agreement with Alcantara in Brazil which is actually closer to the equator at 2° S.
>>16255128No, no... Falcon 9... Hawk... The ISS Deorbit vehicle will be Hawk??
>>16255656it should be vulture since they're the garbage trucks of the bird kingdom
>>16255128>>16255656Elon is referencing the spitting woman meme
>>16255646
>>16255656Mike Hawk!
>>16255637Say mach diamonds one more time you dumb faggot
SLS = shit launch system
>>16255668My online pseudonym is MachDiamond :)
How many Starships would it take to kill the ISS' orbital velocity and let it drop straight down?
>>16255619Wisconsin looks weird here
>>16255625>Disassembly and Return to EarthThey could fit Destiny and Unity still connected to each other in one Starship, but I don't know if it would have the fuel margin necessary to land with an additional 25 tons on board
>>16255625This paper is full doomer, says no ship with a cargo bay larger than the shuttle exists but then goes onto say in the Boost to higher orbit section that a Starship tanker variant is still in development.A cargo Starship could easily get a tanker version of Cygnus up there to boost its' orbit if NASA is worried about structural loads of using a larger vehicle.
>>16255678Disassembly was considered impractical because you need to have the station intact and crewed in order to maintain control of it. If you start taking off parts you convert it into a 400 ton chunk of ambitious space debris with no ability to dodge, and given how many times the station has had to perform collision avoidance maneuvers in the recent past this possibility terrifies NASA.
>>16255675An unloaded and fully fuelled Starship could do it 7.8km/s vs 7.66kms
>>16255682So they do it all in one go, can you imagineThree or four simultaneous Starship launches (two each from KSC and Boca Chica), some attachable retrorockets to deorbit the truss plus solar panels, and a whole bunch of astronauts to slice apart the depressurized station and stuff it into the starshipsIt wouldn't be quite Moonraker but it'd be pretty damn close
>>16255349they aren't trying all that hard to optimize for mass on v1 as much as building something that can get to orbit and back
>>16255682>given how many times the station has had to perform collision avoidance manoeuvres in the recent past this possibility terrifies NASAThey average out ~1.4/yr, with two periods of 4yrs with no action was needed, last year matched the all time high set in 2014 with 5 manoeuvres performed, we've had none so far in this year.Parts like the struts will likely never be recovered and there's zero chance that Russians will okay recovery of their modules in an American ship, but modules like tranquillity and destiny could absolutely be returned.
They should just nuke it desu, one ASAT missile with a cute little fusion warhead would turn it into a cloud of gas
>>16255697So what you’re saying is it’s shitty and will only be further mass autism’d. Oh the Musk cope knoweth no bounds. The shuttlefication WILL continue
>>16255349When they'll increase the thrust they're also talking about big improvements in mass saving because of the new design, they'll lose tens of tons alone from not needing heat protection in the engine bays of the booster and Starship.
>>16255705It don't like look a DC-3 just yet, anon.Besides, didn't you say this shit while grasshopper was happening?
>>16255705that is not what he said
Mass autism on launch vehicles goodMass autism on payloads bad
>>1625534950T is because of various additions to boosters that make it heavy. Including lot of engine shielding, lot of hardening, etc. Right now the goal is to "make it work." The next engine reduces the weight of the booster by ~10-20t by reducing the shielding. Then more powerful engines push the vehicles faster into orbit, reducing gravity loss, then longer starship increases fuel further, then the powerful engines gives even more payload, then the 9 engine setup makes it even more so. Thats without any other structural optimizations on the ship or the boosters.
>>16255705>shuttleficationNever. The shuttle paused on the first iteration
>>16255467there's a moral and spiritual decay that comes from being ruled over by foreigners, even if it's peaceful. euros in general and germans in particular had to cope with how they had been conquered by the us and ussr in 1945, and the cope was usually acting like they had entered into (or even created) a new era of peace and international brotherhood where war and competition were arcane relics of the past. martial virtues and the drive to be military innovators atrophied, and once those go a whole bunch of civilization follows
for f9 they prioritized orbital payload delivery before they later optimized it for recovery and re-use for ss they are prioritizing recover and re-use before optimizing it for operational orbital payload deliverynot that hard to understand for the retards complaining about why ss cannot automatically carry 100T to orbit today
>>16255741what you dont understand is they're not just retards, they're trannies.
>>16253838Blue Origin should just have all their federal funding pulled and their employees should be industry blackballed. Not that that would make any difference, their engineers fucking suck. Company of do-nothing grifters led by a cuckolded bald manlet.
>>16255741How many tons to LEO is it capable of right now?
>>16255745their engineers don't suck, they have quite high requirements for entry and a lot come from spacex, it's the managers that suck.
>>16255747lets wait until they reach orbit first
>>16255749At some point after years and years of no successes worth mentioning, the engineers also suck.
>>16255625Is ISS even worthwhile at this point? We shouldn't be sharing orbital research with enemy scientists, anyway.
>>16255513180m starship voring the thing
>>16255747A bit over 100, including the ship's dry mass.
>>16255757Its to keep them tied to us and make them work together. We need something similar with China before its too late and future of mankind is splintered forever.
engineers that couldn't cut it at spacex or the rapid pace intimidated them now work for BO, where they can just kick back and watch ig reels all day when the boss isn't around.
>>16255553That's on you, to be honest. Why the hell would you think they'd be allowed to keep a piece of Skylab?
>>16255331them regulatory delays do be real, tho
>>16255763NASA released everything related to Skylab pre-burnup IIRC so it's not top secret at all. Also, a bit of it did hit Australia, and as far as I'm aware, NASA never tried to recover any of it either.My question is why would he believe that the piece would still have "Skylab" marked on it. Wouldn't the paint have burned off?
>>16255349Slightly increasing thrust has outsized gains in payload because of the exponential nature of the rocket equation. Same reason you can easily SSTO on Mars but not here.
>>16255307i almost never have anything negative to say about gunnerkino but this seems off the mark. "reusable upper stages have low mass margins" isn't new info and i'm pretty sure he knew it years ago along with everyone else. ~450 seconds to orbit is a good time (especially if you ever want to fly people on it) and the gains from reducing it are going to be trivial.i think a better guess is that starship is taking "so long" because musk decided it'd be easier to launch starlink v2 on f9, which made finishing starship less urgent.
WHY THE FUCK IS /SFG/ SO ACTIVE THESE PAST FEW DAYS WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EXTRAS HERE FOR BECAUSE WE DEFINETLY DIDNT GET 800 POSTS AT PAGE 8 BEFORE. WHO THE FUCK SENT YOU HERE
Why don't they just explode it where it is
>>16255771want to show the class where thrust enters into the rocket equation, genius?
>>16255565ISS-chan: >Are... are you bringing me another crew? I've been so lonely
>>16255774I ended up here post IFT-5 launch because I wanted to expand the content I enjoyed on 4chan.I dunno where the fuck everyone else came from.
>>16255777It is implied
>>16255774Haley’s comet impact with the moon has people interested in space again I guess
>>16255777See >>16255725>more powerful engines push the vehicles faster into orbit, reducing gravity loss
>>16255362is this real?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SPFrQrnlI8
>>16255780>IFT-5I meant 4, not 5 what the fuck's wrong with me?>>16255782Halley's is going to do what? Pulling my leg or are you serious here?
>>16255725Don't forget, they'll need to strip down and replace the ablative layer after every mission. That's going to eat into their cadence.
>>16255787Hes pulling your leg newfag. Welcome but if youve been here the entire time since IFT-4 that still doesnt fully explain because we dipped to regular 500 post page 10 between then and now so something is wrong right now.
>>16255349If your thrust equals your weight, you have zero payload to orbit. If your thrust is much higher than your weight, you may have some payload to orbit. So clearly it's a non-linear relationship, the rest is just an exercise for the reader.
>>16255790>/sfg/ isn't dead for once>NOOOOO SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG
>>16255790Kind of figured, I was just playing my reaction up for laughs.Anyways, I showed up a couple of threads ago, and I didn't notice anything when I decided to trawl through archived.moe, so... I dunno.It seems to have really taken off the thread I showed up in, >>16244898. That said, we haven't had a single thread that didn't get 600+ posts since >>16239590.
>>16255790Most of the new posts are just me replying to myself with four or five different personas.
>>16255761Yeah there are probably various selection effects at play. Like for example that Lauren Lyons chick left for what seems like political/ideological reasons I think - re elon probably - and there are probably more like that.
>>16255797Kek that's literally meLiterally that's meI'm replying to myself which I've already done ~300 times in the last 24 hours
>>16255803Wow, me too!
>>16255805>>16255803>>16255797Not samefag
>>16255800advantage spaceX whenever weaklings leave
>>16255754Management is incredibly important to a project, even more than engineers.Before Musk picked him up, Tom Mueller was rotting in TRW for 15 years, designing engines but none of them getting built, and that wasn't because he was a shit engineer (quite the opposite).
gravity losses decrease as [math]t_b[/math] decreases:[math]G = I_{sp} g_o \int_{0}^{t_b} \ln \left( \frac{M}{M_b} \right) g_s \, dt[/math]alternately, they decrease as mass flow rate [math]\dot{m}[/math] increases:[math]G = -I_{sp} g_o \int_{M_i}^{M_b} \frac{g_s}{\dot{m}} \ln \left( \frac{M}{M_b} \right) dM[/math]
>>16255816That's just math. You can make it say anything.
Damn, that eagerkino seems to be going viral. Hope he doesn't take the retard comments badly.
>its real
>>16255814Not management, leadership. Leadership at every level is what SpaceX wants. They want competent people who will lead and have a high self-reliance/self-agency. Thats what Musk recruits for as he himself is one.
>>16255812True
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1806128519942189349>Space Pionner is about to conduct the TL-3 first stage hot-fire test. If all goes well, IMO they can launch it at Sep or slight delay to early Oct
>>16255824Management is the middle layer between the very small leadership team and the huge mass of engineering teams. Spacex does have managers, but they are engineers themselves who don't do that much engineering anymore (one of the reasons Mueller left). Blue Origin managers are brought in from outside, and are usually professional managers, which is why they're so shit.
>>16255820look up the STS-54 crew photo
>>16255829SpaceX management is optimized for removing bottlenecks for people who they manage. But people below them also try to remove all the bottlenecks they work on as well and are rewarded for self-agency and self-reliance. They get promoted quickly. Its just management thats central, its the high self-agency they want to recruit. People with common sense on their shoulder and people who aren't just "stuck" when there's a problem.
>>16255795>regular 4chan gatekeeping happens>someone locks on to the redditors that all came in droves>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT GATEKEEP US
>>16255833Based
>>16255834Completely agree.BO kills all innovation/efficiency in the crib because it restricts the agency of its engineers and doesn't have a sensible or coherent long term strategy.
>>16255835regular 4chan gatekeeping was flooding with gore and child pornography. you cry about anons you don't like being reddit and pretend that you can drive them off with high school algebra. you are gay.
>>16255845damn...
classic dumbbell shape interplanetary spaceships when?
>>16255774IFT4 has single handedly relit some people's interest in spaceflightIt was one of the most cinematic things most anyone has witnessed in a live launch broadcast, you'd almost think everything was planned.They didn't pay close attention in IFT1, 2 and dismissed 3 as they thought it might just be more rockets exploding in a boring fashion.Many normies are now paying attention
RUMINT says that Boeing has actually fucked up and NASA is not happy with the situation re: Wicked Witch of the West on the ISS
>>16255857>RUMINTie your schizo ravings
>>16255811You're move, Cyclops I believer.
>>16255787Halley's comet hit the moon in the mid 80s
>>16255389The thing won't stay in one piece forever, it's reckless to put it in a high orbit where debris from it could pose a threat to other spacecraft.Ideally Starship goes up and brings back some pieces of it for museums before de-orbiting it.
>>16255850the falcon heavy test flight was the greatest thing i'd ever seen but then IFT-4 blew it out of the water
>>16255860friend of a friend at NASA, but yeah schizo ravings
>>16255857is that really news though? of course they're not going to be happy needing to do failure investigations for what should've been a routine mission.
>>16255877no but it's nice to hear some fucking normie friend of mine mention it off the cuff because HIS friend has been bitching and he knows I'm a space junkie
>>16255760It was always too late to work with the bugs. It's time to nuke them.
possible russian ASAT test on a derelict satellite>LeoLabs has detected a debris-generating event in Low Earth Orbit. >Early indications are that a non-operational Russian spacecraft, Resurs P1 (SATNO 39186), released a number of fragments between 13:05 UTC 26 June and 00:51 UTC 27 June.https://x.com/LeoLabs_Space/status/1806140666222948679
>>16253762didn't rocketlab ceo bad mouth Musk? Apparently Musk started lowering prices once Rocketlab started going after smol satellite launches and the rocket lab CEO considers it anticompetitive.
>>16255894its like they don't even care about the ISS anymore
I wonder if the insane reentry footage+starlink capability from the last two SS flights contributed to the ISS deorbit award.
>>16255899Starship will NOM NOM NOM pieces of ISS and bring them back intact
>>16255899It would be good if the deorbit vessel has cameras so we can see the ISS get torn to shreds live.
>>16255899they're not going to use a heatshielded tug with cameras that can survive reentry to deorbit the thing
>>16255905They'll just use an off-the-shelf starship, cheapest option by 2030.
>>16255905why not, if you can get it to splash down intact anywhere on the surface you can recover it for literally free money, even if it's only 10% of the cost (recovery from the other side of the planet) the ISS is worth so much that it's worth it
>>16255894>commercial earth observation satellite owned by roscosmos>decommissioned in december 2021https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurs-P_No.1there werent any space or icbm launches by russia afaik, so if it was an asat then it was a projectile fired from another satellite, perhaps some time ago
Muskcommenthttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1806149163253448764
>>16255911batteries get old and just explode sometimestanks have something going on in them that causes a pressure increase and the valves to mitigate that are sealed shut, you know
>>16255905I was thinking more along the lines of being able to monitor as the debris breaks up on the way down
>>16255913noticed he's talking more and more frequently about moon base/station, probably feels its much more near-term feasible
>>16255915that's true but it might not be an accident this timethe resurs satellite has very similar orbital parameters to a recently launched russian kosmos 2576 satellite that the US deemed an ASAT satellitehttps://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2024/05/the-russian-kosmos-2576-launch-of-may.htmlhttps://spacenews.com/u-s-space-command-ready-for-potential-russian-satellite-attack-general-says/>Russia deployed this new counterspace weapon into the same orbit as a US government satellite. Russia's May 16 launch follows prior Russian satellite launches likely of counterspace systems to low Earth orbit in 2019 and 2022.>So the US clearly considers this the same type of satellite as Kosmos-2542 in 2019 and Kosmos-2558 in 2022. These did nothing more than observe the US satellites from a distance, but what may be of more concern to the US is that Kosmos-2542 ejected a subsatellite (Kosmos-2543) that in turn fired what is believed to be an ASAT projectile when flying close to another Russian satellite. The same was observed during the Kosmos-2519/2521/2523 mission in 2017. https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=60862.msg2593601#msg2593601so it's very possible that this new russian asat satellite fired a projectile and destroyed resurs
>>16255894Or it could have had an onboard battery explosion or tank rupture. There's plenty of ways for satellites to clouds of debris that don't require interacting with anything other than themselves.
>>16255939or maybe the ASAT capabilities of the old satellite misfired and exploded
>>16255930Constellations counter anti-satilite weapons
>>16255837>all wearing commander insigniaslaaaaazy
>>16255950Nukes in space counter constellations
atmospheric removal counters earthers
>>16255956just launch your constellation faster, idiot
>>16255942Resurs P1 (seen here before getting loading into its fairing for launch) was a boring commercial earth observation satellite. The Resurs series is descended from the old Soviet Yantar spy satellites, but that's as exciting as they get. P1 has been on orbit since 2013 and died in 2017 of an onboard equipment failure, so it was probably due for some kind of explosive decomposition event.
>spacex launches 60 starlinks per launch>russia launches a satellite with 60 asat missilesspacex still comes out ahead because they can launch faster and cheaper than russia
Why the fuck is canada in the european space agency, lmaoseph? Maybe flat earthers were right
>>16255966>russia knew it was about to blow any day now so they fired a missile at it to get test data
>>16255969because they can't make their own space agency
>>16255957You could erect a sunshade at a lagrange point and kill them with a famine (they rely on the sun too much).You could build a few mass drivers on the moon and throw roggs at their cities as the earth rotates.You could dump pathogens into their atmosphere and they'd just breathe em in because they suck up that shit raw.I could go on.
>>16255970On one hand, Russia could have launched an anti-satellite missile so invisible and secret that none of the ICBM warning systems picked in up, despite things like that being their exact job. On the other hand, the shitty batteries on a broke old Russian satellite could have finally corroded though their casing and popped, causing it to shed several pieces of detectable debris. Seriously, it just blew up on its own. Shitty slavic quality control always leads to bad results when you leave the hardware sitting around for too long. One of the largest sources of non-asat debris in orbit is old Zenit-2 second stages suffering onboard explosions after twenty or thirty years in space.
>>16255972Retard
>>16255967>Russia launches a nuke>it takes out 10 Starlinks and causes the rest on orbit to fail in three years instead of seven>SpaceX still comes out ahead because this is within tolerances
>>16255989if they can't achieve orbit it's not a real space agency
/sfg/ is on page 9, and you know what that means.time to pull out the old ISS retrieval vessel.
How are they going to deliver starships and boosters from Texas to Florida? Just hop them?
>>16256016yeahhopping boosters is a spicy proposition but without Starship on top it can just do a dogleg around Floridain flight it passes straight over Orlando but the instantaneous point of impact will never actually pass over land
>>16256016my personal theory is that they're going to roll ships and boosters into a port in brownsville harbor just north of massey's and then ship them into the turn basin at KSC just like they do for the sls core
>>16255600what is your preferred alternative?
>>16256005Wow, those engines must've been ran a lot.That or it's shitty military aircraft being really leaky and shitty.
>>16255969because both canada and europe share a strong cultural identity of "we're not america"
SpaceX is now valued at $210 billionhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-27/spacex-tender-offer-said-to-value-company-at-record-210-billion
Save us Elon... don't let us die...
>>16256039Elon owns ~50%. Thats ~$100B to his fortune.
>>16255337>woman
>>16255031I'm sorry no one replied to your post, constructionfren. Early equipment will be very anemic solar electric powered until the infrastructure is spun up to support methalox turbine electric equipment
>>162560396% of Nvidia.
>>16255362Unironically why the fuck is it so expensive, that's more than twice a Dragon I'm pretty sure and you'd need just one of those and some extra fuel. Are they just funnelling money to Starship?
>>16256056because it's a much more complex than dragon normally flies and you have to get it right the first try
>>16256043that woman looks 70
>>16256056Because it's a totally unprecedented mission with major consequences if it doesn't go right
>>16255421NASA is eager to get rid of the ISS sized anchor around their neck to free up funding for other ventures like Gateway and Artemis. SpaceX has proven it can deliver cost effective results as opposed to the current malaise in oldspace (see Dragon v starliner).>The moggings will continue until innovation improves
>>16256067She didn't ate anyone since Hansel und Gretel incident, please understand.
>>16256050>anemic solar electric poweredI don't think so. >>16254106 kinda lays it out, but TL;DW: It'd take literal ships upon ships of solar panels to properly sustain a colony on Mars, let alone power anything more powerful than life support.
>>16256074>continue with the moggings
>>16255435Depends on the position and the hiring manager. I work for a major infrastructure engineering firm, and no one ever checked my credentials, I just crushed the interview. On the other hand, I had the furniture store Havertys make me go get a notarized copy of my college transcript for a fucking entry level role in their corporate office.
>>16256085weird water tower...
>>16256085>this thing ate shrapnel from every failed starship test and the IFT-1 concrete hurricane
new /sfg/ has been launched >>16256099>>16256099>>16256099>>16256099>>16256099>>16256099
>>16255553>>16255557we missed it /b/ros>>16255555
>>16256100>spaceflight generaholy shit delete it retard
>>16256100since you're obviously new please note for future reference that we like to call it 'staging'
>>16256100don't use pictures of Trump, he causes too much friction
yeah fuck this I'm making a better one
STAGING:>>16256115>>16256115>>16256115
>>16256085That's just insane.
>>16255489ok anon, show us the goods
>>16255135she's ok
>>16256136well, I wasn't expecting that.
what the fuck frogposters
>>16256136Ok now that's hot
>>16256037Funny thing about that...Canada IS america. No i will not argue about this. Canada is the same country as america. t. CanadianNo i will NOT argue about this. Canada is the same country as america and I also hate spics who say "but muh america is south america too, waaahhh waahhh we call them los estados unidos because we are tiny dicked manlets and cant recognize the hegemon wahhhh, south america is america too" copeMeanwhile real americans are proud to be the trve america
>>16256231shut up, you're a hatunfuck your gun rights and maybe I'll consider treating you as an equal
>>16256231>Meanwhile real americans are proud to be the trve americathere are plenty of americans who have the same america-is-so-uncouth-i'm-so-much-more-civilized attitude toward america as canadians
>>16255619europian lunches from europe are only for bombing other europians
>>16256232Im doing my partBut canada will never have american gun rights or carry rightsLiterally the first amendment of our constitution is "lmao this isnt a constitution actually its more of a suggestion and can be revoked at any time for any reason by anyone. Kys cuckold citizen"
