Man Out of Space Easy - M.O.O.S.E. editionalso known as how they're getting the Starliner astronauts backprevious: >>16253760
>>16256115looks comfy.
>>16256118I don't know, anonI don't FEEL comfy
http://spacex.orghuh
>>16256115Would prefer you didnt leave a message in the OP but its a cool OP and otherwise observes the normal layout, so good job!
https://leap71.com/2024/06/18/leap-71-hot-fires-3d-printed-liquid-fuel-rocket-engine-designed-through-noyron-computational-model/>LEAP71, a Dubai-based AI engineering company, announced today the successful test firing of a liquid rocket engine created entirely through Noyron, the company’s Large Computational Engineering Model. The engine was designed autonomously without human intervention and then 3D-printed in copper. The rocket thruster was successfully hot-fired at a rocket test stand in the UK.former Hyperganic guys
>>16256124Probably malware the official website is .com dont click
it's time.
>>16256130its a website made in 1999 and last updated in 2020
>>16256129https://archive.is/YZvWEfor the schizos. 3d printed with copper
>>16256129>Dubai>AI>3D-printedman are some VCs gonna get milked by this. engine looks cool though.
>>16256133>theyve been paying for this domain for 25 years
spaceflight!
>>16256143probably hoping spacex pays big bucks for the domain. Pretty cool though.
>>16256147why would they shell out for a .org when they already have the .com?
>>16256144Decollage
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1806179420962463955Tower 2 will be fully stacked by 8/15. Thats ~1.5 months from now.
>>16256151SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE CAPSULE, SHE SHOULD BE LEAKING!FUCKING INCOMPETENT MONKEY!
>>16256152Kek retard
>>16256154she is doing her best
>>16256154agreed. she should be sticking the probe into wherever it is she might be leaking from if we're trying to keep things logical.
>>16256159there are rules to this sort of thing (moe anthropomorphizations) actually, you should read the manga Tsugumomo if you would like to know moretl;dr the anime girl is totally allowed to stand next to the capsule and do work
>>16256159bajina?
>>16256159Thats not how they detect leaks anon. And sticking probes into open wounds on your stomache would be gross to see snd draw.
>>16256166how do they detect helium leaks? soapy water I assume?
>>16256165Fuck off coomer
>>16256170Hey relax man, learn sex positivity
>>16256171you can do sex positivity on your own time
>>16256173right, they're paying us to platonically post anthropomorphic rocket girls, not sexualize them.
>>16256177yeah
>>16256135Xenomorph type alien ass looking ai designed parts are so fucking cool bros
>>16256177
did some zoomer infect the general recently or something? the levels of retard IQ spamposting has gone way up. this isn't a discord or twitch bro
>>16256183pic related:me, on the right, making good postsyou, on the left, shitting your pants for no reason
>>16256183You're so emotional
>>16256183I said this last thread then the zoomer in question got assmad that I figured him out. There are other newfags but its only one thats being genuine aids. You can see his two replies above this post
>>16256194yeah okay schizo, I've been here since the beginninga little bit of funposting never hurt anybody
>>16256195No you havent and yes it does you are genuinely shitting up the threads and disrupting actual spaceflight discussion. Post rockets not anime women named after the rockets. One is spaceflight the other is >>>/a/ bound
Hey this thread was posted second, this is the wrong thread
And still, no one took my advice of >>16254460.https://www.rocketlaunch.live/
Summer amirite /sfg/? Ill talk to you in the mornin when these two spergs are done fighting and sleeping in their cribs. Have this Starship tender to tide you over.
>>16256199Why dont you like my posts? I only post spaceflight
>>16256199Where do you think you are?
>>16256199uh huh? is that true? go back to /n/ >>16256200shut up
>>16256201we've tried doing that sort of thing before but OPs are too lazy to keep it going for very long
>>16256201putting things in the OP is gay as fuck
>>16256211Ai yi yi... I see. Well, thanks for explaining why that didn't happen this time then. Still confused on how the fuck we have a whole ass staging system on this board but somehow we can't think to copy and paste a basic layout that contains relevant information and tack on an edition afterwards. Like, seriously, if /vg/ can coordinate that, then why can't we?
>>16256215if I could get away without putting "edition" in the OP I would
Tunnel Boring Machines on Mars...
>>16256169they have unpaid interns stand around it and check if any start sounding silly when they talk
nah fuck it's Boeing I guarantee you they don't use soapy waterthey use fucking ethylene glycol with some added surfactant
>>16256223unfortunately the unpaid boeing interns were all jeets so this proved to be a very unreliable system for isolating leaks. they're working on an improved method for cft-2.
>>16256163tsugumomo is based.
>>16256169soapy water works great on massive leaks, but good luck finding 0.001 mL/minute leaksYou would generally use a handheld thermal conductivity detector you have a resistive wire in a set volume and blow air through it - if you're blowing air at known temperature and volume, resistive wire should remain at constant temperaturehelium has about 10 timer higher thermal conductivity that almost all other gases, so when you get a small amount of helium in the measuring cell, the temperature of the wire starts to drop and resistivity of the wire rises, which you can detect electronically at very low levels.This is why they fill up things they want tested with helium and check for helium rather than, say, argon or nitrogen and try to sniff up that. You cannot detect these gases this way.When they say "helium leak", it often means a leak on a pipe that would carry oxygen or hydrogen.
>>16256262you can detect methane pretty well this way as well, although I think it's actually using infrared light to look for methane's characteristic absorption peak
what the FUCK did that Canadian just post in that other threadhe should unfuck his Chinese AK before he does anything else
>>16256273Its a type 81
>>16256129>>16256135>pump explosive mixture into a tube>ignite it>it makes thrustwow that's insane dudeit's just crazy manwow
>>16256268yeah, there are all kinds of detectorshelium is just particularly good because it has zero background signal and the only false positive possible is hydrogenwith IR, almost everything overlaps with everything, so the detection threshold is a lot higher
>>16256281more typically it goes>pump explosive mixture into a tube>ignite it>it explodes
How Bugatti CEO will BEAT Tesla with THIS Car!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxG_sEflaaI
>>16256319Bugatti's getting into spaceflight?
>>16256319Looks like a car for bugmen
>In another post tim said they had to cut the majority of the questions and interesting camera shots as they broke itar.hmm, I wonder what was cutthere were quite many abrupt cuts inside the factory
>>16256336That sucks. but I expected it to be the case.
>>16256336that's insane
>>16256336Thats crazy
>Target 100 launches in 2024>A half year passed >Not even reached 30 Is it over for China?
>>16256341>>16256343yeah
>>16256350everyone knows CASC operates on xi time, it's not a big deal
>>16256350the fall/winter should be peak launch season but yeah, its unlikely that they'll get to 100 launches
>>16256350Chinese calendar, dipshit
>>16256356Is it two years long? Maybe Glorious Five Year?
https://x.com/LionnetPierre/status/1806257189528465448
>>16256361Oh no... did we get too cocky /sfg/ kings?Maybe space ISN'T the place?
>>16256369It's over. No one really wants to go to space and we've been exposed for the liars we are.
>>16256361>there is NO demand for 100 launches a year.>the first company to ever try putting a constellation in orbit that requires 100 launches a year does it and it's a smashing success>ah, yes, well. besides starlink, there is NO demand for 100 launches a year.
>>16256372It's true. Space is just airless arid plains and roggs. Everything you need is right here on the good old Earth.
>>16256373Well of course it's easy to be successful if you buy launches from yourself. It's just moving money around in a circle, there's no real profit.
>>16256132It's about time.We've been waiting for over 20 years.
>>16256153woah that's insane
>>16256361
>>16256361the US is creating alot of demand for itself by having the government invest into spaceflight, but india doesnt have that going for it. there's no manned spaceflight there, no space stations, no megaconstellations, nothing.
>>16256361"Invention is the mother of necessity" - Thorstein Veblen
>>16256391"I'm projecting" - Barkon
>>16256375not sure if this is bait, but customers do actually pay to use starlink
20 min to 22nd flight of a F9
>Starlink 10-3what does the 10-3 mean
>>162564177
>>16256361I feel like with oneweb and kuiper only now getting started this is going to look very stupid in one or two years.Not to mention every military on earth wanting their own starshield.
>>16256417it's the third launch for starlink group 10
>>16256421oneweb already launched all of their satellites for now, and kuiper is spoken for
>>16256115its over or is chatgpt wrong?
What the fuck caused a third of the T-Mobile sats to fail?
>>16256433source
starliner status?
>>16256429missing a lot of relevant factorshow long is the trip going to be? that determines the required speed fusion as such won't be enough for non-generation shipsanother thing that starts to come up pretty quickly is that if you start to go at relativistic speeds or even much above 1% the speed of light then the shielding requirements start to be very large too
BORING LAUNCH
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1806283638637789332
>>16256435I saw someone retweet it yesterday, but apparently 13 of the satellites are still gradually moving towards their intended height while six of them are slowly falling. I saw a pretty good graph showing the altitudes in the tweet. Maybe someone here will repost it.
>>16256429and here i used to think i was a lazy shit for doing all my rocket equation daydreaming on wolframalpha. you can get much better performance than that from fusion, i've seen papers on NTRS throw around 900ks ISP using alpha particle emission. overall something propellantless like laser sails would make for a much more appealing option.
>>162564173 failed on liftoff.
landed
>>16256440Are there really over 100K people watching a normal starlink launch?
B1062 lands for the 22nd time
>>16256448How much is the total savings by now?
>>16256438i told it to use 0.1 c as speed and 10 tons which are supposed to be delivered to another planet, the real requirements to colonize another planet with humans are probably much higher.
>>16256456You have to used beamed propulsion in some form for that.
spacex: "see, reusability is profitable. if there isnt demand then just create some."other launchers: "no" *goes out of business instead of trying* "how could this happen to me???"
>>16256461Authentic demand is better than artificial demand.
Was space colonisation the final goal of humanity since our birth? We've been looking up to the stars wondering what's out there since before we even had languages. In order to ensure our survival, we must expand beyond Terra and the Helios System. So in a way, it was our destiny all along. The final test for the human race. Can we make it happen?
>>16256463right, you only make artificial dollars when your megaconstellation turns into the biggest revenue generator in the history of commercial spaceflight
>>16256374
>>16256465yeah, sure, i dunno
>>16256465>Was space colonisation the final goal of humanity since our birth?no its obviously to create an eternal universe paradise
>>16256443>>16256460it seems like 900ks is also not enough. the problem with laser sails and beam propulsion is that you need to deaccelerate the spaceship many light years away and there beamed propulsion or solar sails wont help you much. and according chatgpt you need 285 nuclear power plants running for one year to get enough power to accelerate 10 tons to 0.1 c and there it assumes 100% efficiency but the efficiency of propulsion with light pressure is much much lower.
>>16256480You wouldn't use reactors, you'd have arrays of orbiting solar collectors inside the orbit of mercury.
>>16256477art
>>16256480900ks ISP is not the same thing as 900 km/s exhaust velocity. it's like 8 million m/s exhaust velocity.>you need to deacceleratedecelerate, eslfriend>the spaceship many light years away and there beamed propulsion or solar sails wont help you mucheven if you have to do all the deceleration propulsively that's still cutting the mass in half. but you could probably send some small robot craft up ahead to build a deceleration laser ahead of your big colonization ship.>you need 285 nuclear power plantswhen you're talking interstellar colonization then that's peanuts
>>16256505>>you need 285 nuclear power plants>when you're talking interstellar colonization then that's peanutsYeah but think of the regulatory hurdles.
https://www.alumnifounders.com/
>>16256505way more than cutting it in half as you don't need to accelerate the propellant you need for the rest of the acceleration phase
>>16256505>even if you have to do all the deceleration propulsively that's still cutting the mass in half. but you could probably send some small robot craft up ahead to build a deceleration laser ahead of your big colonization ship.I mean... wouldn't you just need a mirror? I don't think it matters if the mirror accelerates while decelerating the craft as long as it can adjust to the changing velocity difference (something it'd have to do anyways).
>>16256516if you had a solar sail that was big enough but that isn't realistic, the beamed power when you leave is much more concentrated than just ambient light from the star you are going to
>>16256518I meant accelerating a robot mirror (or two for symmetrical force) ahead of the colony ship for the laser to bounce off of and hitting the ship from ahead slowing it down.
if India wants some fucking launched they should invest in earth to earth launches
>>16256521Yeah that's been looked into. Robert Forward did some sketches of it. I'm not sure if it's been worked out rigorously.
>>16256521you want to beam power from one star to another?sounds more complicated than just sending robotic probes and building a similar system at the destination star as you have at sol
>>16256532I was thinking more a situation where you don't already have stuff there. Like for sending the robots that builds the deceleration laser.
>Russian satellite just randomly explodes
> interstellar flight decelerationsolved problem, use propellantless electromagnetic braking
I want to see something lithobrake at interstellar velocities
>>16256537I guess if the alternative is some super slow fusion powered drones
>>16256129Due to the combination of retard arab future hype spending and a female lead (sole?) engineer I expected this to be pure garbage. After reviewing the link I have upgraded this to "interesting experiment"
>>16256538>Pssh... nothin' personel kid.
>>16256540they should just trail a really long cable behind them and then pull on that to slow down. the other end is obviously attached to the earth or moon or perhaps a full fueled starship.
>>16256211>>16256215Ive also asked in a recent thread if the links were wanted and everybody that replied said>no, we like to have a clean OP at /sfg/ unlike other inferior generalsThis was of course before the flood of newfags. And newfag opinions dont matter on this. You are from /vg/.
>>16256215>copy and paste a basic layout that contains relevant informationWe're not zoomer faggots, that's why
>>16256281I guess the more significant thing is that it didn't melt. However they only ran it for a few seconds and they claim that the pressure drop was higher than expected in the cooling channels, so the design was likely a failure in terms of cooling.
>>16256336>ITAR prevents broadcasting Rick and Morty references
>>16256538they're putting out official statements now with no chimpouts about ASAT so i'm guessing everyone's pretty sure it was just your bog-standard spontaneous orbital blowout
>>16256555>pressure drop was higher than expected in the cooling channelsWhat does that mean? Coolant vaporising?
>>16256521This feels like troll physics. You're just bouncing light off mirrors all the way down
>>16256336Elon's unprompted antisemitic rants
>>16256560or maybe their CFD software just sucks
>>16256510You mean the same regulatory hurdles that are finally being tackled with ADVANCE?
>>16256361I can't believe the street shitter and surrender monkey would just claim Kuiper doesn't exist. How will Jeff (who?) ever recover?
>>16256561don’t over-use the bob reaction image. It’s best left saved for actual schizo posts
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1806310076874985529
>>16256553I miss when /sfg/ watched rockets other than SpaceX, watching startups explode was a ton of fun. I move for including https://nextspaceflight.com/at the top of the threads with whatever the next launch is.
>>16256568Sorry my /sfg/ reaction image folder is lacking.Post more to add to my collection.
>>16256375>posted within 24 hours of SpaceX making a cool $800 million on a trash incineration runplease, tell me more
>>16256569it's over 600 m/s, which is pretty high for a station ferry but they need the extra prop for launch aborts.
>>16256572
>>16256571/sfg/ does watch other rockets retard, even RFA testing was interesting. It's just that the small launch companies apart from hobbitlab haven't launched for a while.I don't want the OP to be crammed full of useless links that I'm not going to use anyway since I have my own RSS feed. If you're really set on this just do something like what the roman town crier anon used to do.
>>16256571post when upcoming launches are coming, the link doesn't need to be in the OP
>>16256560What they built was significantly different than the design because their 3D printing technology sucks and didn't make smooth surfaces, and as a result the flow through their cooling channels sucks
>>16256571>I miss when /sfg/ watched rockets other than SpaceXma'am, this is a spaceflight thread
>>16256571I will be watching many Chinese rockets on July 4
>>16256585If you didn't watch the powerslide live then idk what to tell you anon
>>16256588Best launch ever.
I'm surprised tesla didn't bid on the lunar rover.Couldn't you just chuck up an normal tesla car and it drive just fine in a vacuum? Well besides the tires but nothing else should cause issues for an electric car right?
>>16256591Has to have a rather hefty throttle limiter.
>>16256593Why?
>>16256594Because gravity is a thing?
>>16256591too much other stuff going on at Tesla right now, they don't have the bandwidth for a distraction like that in the future maybe, I wouldn't be surprised
>>16256596What does that have to do with it?
>>16256598Go play KSP and tell us what happens when you drive at 70m/s across the Mun.
>>16256608>kspLOL
>>16256608Sorry sweaty but miles per hour is the preferred measurement for driving on the moon
>>16256619>fact check myself>the apollo Lunar Rover used km/hkilling myself
>>16256608>70m/sThats over 250 km/h.Cybertruck maxs out at 180.Thats a problem you made up.
>>16256621m/s is the proper usage away from Earth
General Purpose Regolith Rover
>>16256623Gene Cernan talked about his speed record on the moon in terms of km/h if i remember rightly
Booster has been slapped once again
>>16256591>Well besides the tires but nothing else should cause issues for an electric car right?cooling, I suppose - if you were to really step on itnothing you could not fix with a radiator and the already existing power limiter though
>>16256588>the pan up, then back downGets me every time. Straight out of a TV show.
>>16256588The seagull is moving faster than the rocket
Why not just deploy a giant parachute, and shoot fuel into it?
Wait, the decceleration would be cancelled out by the propulsion.
>>16256639wow thats crazy
>>16256639dodd moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAhYI55QkY8lunar sintered bricks
>>16256639
>Analysis of the Bennu sample unveiled intriguing insights into the asteroid’s composition. Dominated by clay minerals, particularly serpentine, the sample mirrors the type of rock found at mid-ocean ridges on Earth, where material from the mantle, the layer beneath Earth’s crust, encounters water.>This interaction doesn’t just result in clay formation; it also gives rise to a variety of minerals like carbonates, iron oxides, and iron sulfides. But the most unexpected discovery is the presence of water-soluble phosphates. These compounds are components of biochemistry for all known life on Earth today.https://www.nasa.gov/missions/osiris-rex/surprising-phosphate-finding-in-nasas-osiris-rex-asteroid-sample/
bratty tiny booster needs slap correction
>>16256636Birds intuit the location and speed of rockets and debris.
>>16256653rogg science
>>16256655The most bizarre launch, I think everyone was drunk that day
>>16256636it was a really big seagull too. damn thing nearly put the ailing rocket out of its misery
>>16256656rogger that
https://x.com/Alexphysics13/status/1806334483899068641
>>16256678I’ll bite wtf is a slap and why does everyone keep throwing that word around
>>1625668014,1 is getting slapped by the tower arms repeatedly
>>16256588I watched it. But it belongs in an anime thread.
>>16256681I get that but what does that mean? Is it beating on the side of the tank like the houston astros with a trash can or something
>>16256571We've got a big Asia weekend coming up. Japan's going to have its first operational launch of the H3 this Saturday and China's sending an undisclosed payload towards geostationary orbit on a Long March 7A. Both of those will have streams.
>>16256680booster needs a bit of slapping around. its young and only responds to physical disciple.
>>16256680B14.1 is getting hit by the chopsticks on purpose, probably to check tolerances for a catch attempt.Also, Shockwave propagation from the GOES-U booster landings
>>16256634cooling is easyjust use the body of the vehicle as a sunshade for the motors and batteries t. orbital data center retard from the last thread
>>16256639Could the parachute have "I'm Pickle Rick" written on it?
>>16256643yeah
>>16256692kek
Based on that video from the other day of the Chinese booster landing in a village, it seemed to be coming in pretty slow.If it had a parachute in the engine bay, not a huge one but a drogue to make it fall tank first, could the tank be used as a shock absorber? Have it act as a crumple zone to keep the valuable engine intact, then pull off and reuse the engine?
>>16256684its a bad booster
>>16256700Fuck no, real life isn’t ksp dude that engine would be toast
>>16256703A similar principle worked for shuttle and hobbitlab. I am suggesting trading the sea landing and some of the parachute size for tank integrity.
>>16256706NASA thought the thick SRBs would be more than enough to protect the important hardware on a reuse splashdown (as opposed to a LRB)They were wrong. Those SRBs needed a ton of time/resources for refurb just from the impact alone—and they were even tanked up to try and take an impact
>>16256680They need to know that the booster can take being knocked around by the arms, and it's better to find out now than when a catch attempt is underway.>>16256686I miss when the Newsreader would alert anons of upcoming launches like this, I'll watch the Japan one for sure.
https://x.com/teslaownersSV/status/1806186042313347179Starship for scale
>>16256717I dont know why they have her speak, she's not a good speaker
https://europeanspaceflight.com/arianespace-advocates-enforcing-european-launcher-preference/
>>16256728No one cares. What people want is information. All the spacex speakers aren't professional speakers. i.e https://youtu.be/9SZ3mVGBiiI
>>16256736You're so fucking wrong it hurts
>>16256734I for one am shocked.
>>16256734Kek. So worthless they have to resort to making sure anybody who can compete with them cant participate
>>16256734All they do is legislate and force compliance. It's why their society is collapsing
>>16256734If this actually happened, Europe would lose spaceflight capability
>>16256734More europeans should be pissed about this but none of them seem to care.
>>16256680https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62ACxuq8Pw
>>16256744It's more of a french space program than a european to be honest
>>16256744The ESA is so far removed from anything an EU citizen can influence it's comical. What am I going to do, start a rocket launching business in the most business hostile continent in the world?
>>16256734>use tax money to make a shitty product >make it illegal to use another elseIt's a miracle the Euros haven't starved themselves all to death yet
>>16256751anything else, derp
>>16256749Well you could start by advocating less business hostility and innovation stifling in general.
>>16256754wtf bros is this real
>>16256753About all I can do. Fuck actually becoming a politician though so it's just pissing into an ocean of piss for me.
>>16256754can you not post stuff like this here?
>>16256762ok
>>16256754Why the fuck haven't they installed warning signals so they fly away? Incredibly sad and easily avoidable.
total bird death
I just wanted to say, these are the good days. Seemingly every day there is something new happening with space, and we have access to dedicated reporters, livestreams, memes, a turbo autist Uber rich visionary, and court drama like never before. It's never been better to be a space fan. Please pay respects to the 70s and 80s space fans for what they endured and the lost potential. This thread is fun.
>>16256571We had one recently where were you??
>>16256689goes u a cute
>>16256776Dragonfly was delayed and the chief flights engineer is awol
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1806358142906687496China will get Mars return sample. One of the first of many China firsts to come this decade.>First to land on far side of the moon>First to return sample from far side of the moon
>>16256777That was a good one>>16256784I would be more skeptical if their first lander/rover hadn't worked out just fine, now I expect them to succeed.
>>16256784>Mars return samplenow that will be impressive. most impressive
>>16256784Is there a proposed architecture for chinese MSR or is it just them saying they want to do it by that date?
>>16256780>Falcon 9 style leg prostheticsCute
>>16256784>jupiter system explorationthis better not be a flyby, i want a multidecade orbiter doing a detailed survey of the moons. we need data.
https://fireflyspace.com/news/ssc-and-firefly-aerospace-to-launch-satellites-from-esrange-in-sweden/>Swedish Space Corporation (SSC) and U.S. space transportation company Firefly Aerospace have signed a collaborative agreement to jointly launch satellites with Firefly’s Alpha rocket from the newly inaugurated spaceport at Esrange Space Center in Sweden, starting in 2026. Sweden cucking UK's spaceports
>>16256751this happens in the US all the time too, its so annoying
>>16256804the scottish spaceport might not be ready
bit off topic but what have been the biggest innovations in internal combustion engines in the last 24 years? Has there been any substantial advancements or have engines essentially plateaued?
>>16256361Starlink is just a means to an end, to make money for Moon and Mars. Which is the real prize. This is transparent and a well known fact. Yet, all these companies keep talking about high launch rate to make another Starlink. It's scary how much the rest of the planet continues to miss the forest for the trees.
>>16256743They wouldn't lose capability, they'd just lose any kind of relevance. They'd need to find a way to fit all of their space ambitions inside of a 180 ton per year mass budget, which isn't going to be a good look in an age defined by permanently crewed lunar outposts.
>>16256812Elon Musk is unfortunately the only person in all of spaceflight with both power and vision. No one else with vision has the power to realize it and everyone else with power is complacent.
>>16256689I don't think they can avoid the chopsticks making contact with the side of the booster because the steel is flexible and the armatures have to start and stop quickly, so it seems like they're seeing if they can just live with it.
>>16256804I think it's a bit overly ambitious for a rocket to go shopping for its fourth launch complex when it's only had a four launches in total and only one of those was a undisputed success.
>>16256375Lol, many companies before spaceX had dreams about building a satelite network that delivered world wide internet.So far it's only spaceX that succesfully pulled it off. The demand was always there, just look at the wide scale use starlink is getting.From giving internet to every ship in the world to cesna's hooked up to starlink remotly flying over 2/3 of russia to strike a drone factory.
>>16256824I don’t understand this reusable launch site meme
>>16256824>I think it's a bit overly ambitious for a rocket to go shopping for its fourth launch complex when it's only had a four launches in total and only one of those was a undisputed success.thought you were talking about Starship there for a second kek
new kino just droppedhttps://youtu.be/FQQQ3rytDDk
>>16256819I actually believe in bezo's vision than musks.Sadly seems like I believe it more than bezos does.
>>16256829Maybe if bezos put actual engineers and specialists in control of his rocket company instead of managers who have build their entire carreer on making profit at the cost of quality then he would have succes like spaceX.
>>16256436>starliner status?This.Too many of the mainstream outlets are lacking in detail of the current situation and approximate time frames.Does anyone have a decent source?
>>16256836>official >everything is okay, the leaks are only a small problem and starliner can return to earth with no problems>unofficial>we are pretty sure starliner can return to earth with no problems but we have been given extra time to make sure.
>>16256841No one wants to be that guy who let starliner return back to earth and have it fail even if the chance is low.
>>16256832Maybe if bezos believed in his own mission then he'd have the motivation to lead the company himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwQ-7Of7xJA>Chopstick Catch Testing! Starbase Flyover Update 47
>>16256843But if he does that then where is he going to find the time to start all those lawsuits against spaceX?
>>16256841ThanksI've also found >https://apnews.com/article/boeing-capsule-nasa-astronauts-space-station-leaks-0a1b178e04e2f7031c0a1c97bd73dcac
>>16256836They've closed all the manifolds to prevent any helium leaks, there's still concern about the heatshield and they keep cancelling planned EVA's.NASA/Boing will never admit that they fucked up, but they were only supposed to be there for a week, it's now nearing a month and the 45 day limit is getting closer, I read a Reuters article saying how 75 days might be do-able in an emergency which should tell you that the capsule is having major issues.
>>16256828thats insane
just shit ass, hope you're having a great day
>>16256850thats crazy
Neathttps://youtu.be/5tlCgkZPmuY?si=bM76nWvNeCHMIxa1&t=211
>>16256850>there's still concern about the heatshieldThat's news to me, hmmm.>From the AP article in >>16256847>The capsule can remain at the space station for 45 days or longer if needed, Boeing said
>>16256808Rotational detonation engines are being advanced, supposed to bring about a 25% increase in fuel efficiency
>>16256858>That's news to me, hmmm.Yeah me too, I thought Orion had the heat shield anomalies not Starliner?
>>16256151wait...i just checked sbarky's xwitter and i don't see this post...its really you...
>>16256856
>>16256864Ah my bad confused the two
>>16256850The EVA cancellations have more to do with the fact that the US spacesuits are forty years old and not in the best of shape than anything to do with Starliner. There was some quiet admission that Collins pulling out of the suit development program put NASA is a place they really didn't want to be.
How long until SpaceX does everything for NASA, I feel like industry is in quite a bad shape.
>>16256871I hope to see that live one day.
>>16256151I hope Starliner burns up just so I can see what you'd draw that day.
>>16256883Other launcher companies have to be propped up for.nationak security purposes. Unironically cannot leave the entirety of US launch capability to Elon, or really any one person in general.
>>16256891Government seizure of starship blueprints WHEN?
>>16256808>biggest innovations in internal combustion engines in the last 24 years?There have been small changes to get little bits of extra power here and there, but nothing massive. Variable Valve Timing was a fairly big thing, but that was pre-2000. Variable Compression Ratio is somewhat new (at least in mass production), but its still not a game changer.I'm not sure if you are speaking about only ICE cars, but the NASA X-43 was built in 2004 using scramjet technology (which was pretty shit prior to NASA working on it).Of course we have the Raptor engine now too.
>>16256895They handed it to them for HLS kek
>>16256871I almost didn't drive down because I thought it was gonna scrub at 30% weather
https://x.com/AnthonyFGomez/status/1806360389661122835
>>16256904>Permanent Orbital Fuel Depot for Moon + Mars missions
https://x.com/robert_zubrin/status/1806363627253084612
>>16256904>Permanent Orbital Fuel Depot for Moon + Mars missionsthat's going to be the biggest space station ever. fuel terminals on earth are huge.
>>16256908Why the fuck would you send it there? Graveyard orbit? Sure. Lunar orbit? Retarded
>>16256910I'm just imagining a couple extended starships taped together (no heat shield or flap mass, mass used for much longer tanks)That would still be the biggest space station ever
>>16256904the room is so dead, and why do american women continue to be so fat
>>16256904>expanding HWY-4I thought SpaceX was going to build another road for public use and be given HWY-4 for their own use.
>>16256921It is unironically not that easy in highwayery
https://x.com/spacesudoer/status/1806387464569024879
>>16256925>not editedIt is sped up, right?
>>16256924>It is unironically not that easy in highwayerylmao, you just pour asphalt on the ground, it literally is that easy
>>16256921the beetles
>>16256927no they slowed the song down
>>16256928Construction is the easiest part. Land acquisition and regulatory bullshit is the hard part
>>16256904ITS OVER
>>16256928Build roads is a huge pain in the ass
Is shartliner just dead at this point?All the contracted nasa missions for it go up to 2029, right before the end of the ISS.After that not only would shartliner need to fly on a different rocket but they'd need to find commercial customers.Does starliner have a future at all?
>>16256915
>>16256948I don't think it will be flying anymore because knowing Boeing they won't be able to fix everything before ISS goes down.
>>16256911It'd be cool, which is always a valid reason.
>>16256948probably not dead, redundancy is still important for nasa. they dont want another shuttle situation.
>>16256948we can use it to send astronauts to the ISS
>>16256968But wheres starliner gonna fly after it completes it's ISS missions? There'll be no ISS to fly too, orion flies to gateway. Who will keep starliner up and running?
>>16256971iss still has maybe 10 years left, there are only 6 shitliner flights
>>16256971Axiom? Are they still around?
oh yeah i forgot about the commercial replacement for the ISS. nasa would obviously like a redundant option, but boing will likely shut down starliner, so our only other non-spacex option is a manned variant of dreamchaser.
>>16256976They posted some stuff some time ago where they where actually building modules. But with the news that nasa has given spaceX a contract to deorbit ISS by 2030. And starship giving the capability around that same time to put up modules as big as the entire ISS in one launch they probably had to rework their plans for building these modules and the point of them.
Why didn't they just have Boeing crash the ISS with no survivors?
>butch and sunni hid in the shartliner for shelter after the russian satellite explodedhttps://www.reuters.com/technology/space/russian-satellite-blasts-debris-space-forces-iss-astronauts-shelter-2024-06-27/talk about heart pounding. you know you're fucked if you have to evac.
>>16256982how big is Starship payload volume compared to iss volume
https://x.com/SpaceNews_Inc/status/1806390866975551896Kuiper launch and service delayed to next year
>>16256976>sneakily steals one of the ISS modules
>>16256986>reutersdumb tabloid shitActual news>protocol is anytime sats break up, they take shelters>then ground control makes risk assesment>finds no issue atm>resumes normal activityAlso its an old dead sats from russia
>>16256982Good point, building a station little module by little module is going to look silly when multiple Starship-scale modules are going up.>>1625698710,500 cubits, slightly larger
>>16256948If it can get back to White Sands without killing the crew, then it's a perfectly functional spacecraft and will have just enough time to get it's six operational missions in before the ISS takes the big swan dive into Point Nemo in 2030. It's got technical issues but none of those are serious enough to keep the program from proceeding. After 2030 we'll be dealing with multiple commercially run space stations and will only have SpaceX's fleet of five crew dragons to get people to them. There should be enough opportunity there for Boeing to find customers and getting Vulcan a crew certification should require anything too onerous.
>>16256988https://spacenews.com/beta-project-kuiper-broadband-services-pushed-to-early-2025/>TAMPA, Fla. — Initial Project Kuiper broadband services have slipped into 2025, Amazon said June 27 amid plans to launch its first batch of production satellites on an Atlas V rocket in the last three months of this year. >Amazon had earlier aimed to start deploying more than 3,200 satellites in the first half of 2024 to begin beta trials with potential customers, including Verizon in the United States. >Amazon expects to significantly increase satellite production and launch rates next year as it nears a July 2026 regulatory deadline for deploying half the constellation. Under the terms of its Federal Communication Commission license, the remaining satellites must be deployed three years later.
>>16257008grim
>>16256992That's the euro lab module i think.
>>16256829Bezos' vision relies on LEO being profitable which is currently unproven. Musk's plan is to sprint towards a point where an inevitable decrease in funding/interest won't impact activity due to a self sufficient local economy. Honestly I think Musk is more realistic.If you want economically feasible stations then the easiest way to them is industrialized Mars anyway
>>16257014>economyBased around what?
>>16257014by local economy I understand you mean local to mars?
>>16257021based around people doing stuff on mars, just like how economic activity is created on earth>>16257027yes
>>16257021Staying alive, same as Earth >>16257027Yes>>16257032What the heck you aren't me
>>16257032>>16257035>yesWhat valuable things could Martians offer us to make it worth our while spending millions on rocket launches?
>>16256973Yeah and all starliner flights to the ISS are booked to 2029. Assuming no more delays of course.
>>16256553>you are from /vg/Actually I mostly linger in /trash/'s /nah/ and /vp/.Either way, disappointing but I'm far from demanding places change their ways if there's a reason to keep doing this. I don't agree with this reason, but I am not going to try to change the minds of everyone here.>>16256577Hey, if you have an RSS feed, mind sharing it? Watching Youtube videos has been time consuming but I genuinely don't know any other proper way outside of literally looking at foreign road closures.
>>16257032>doing stuffSounds profitable.
>>16257021>>16257027>>16257032>>16257035 the duality of /sfg/
just imagine how bad astroonomers are going to chimp out once spacex starts building the orbital depot. iss looks like a small dot in the sky but that thing will look like a small moon.
When will the first McDonalds open up on Mars?
>>16257044you know how an economy works?
>>16257002>will only have SpaceX's fleet of five crew dragons to get people to themDo you seriously believe this? We'll definitely have crewed starship by 2030.
>>16257050>$100 value menu
>>16257047Wait till we replace street lights
>>16257047The fuck did you just say you little punk?!!!
>>16257038Absolutely nothing. That's why it's essential for an autistic billionaire to spend his entire fortune establishing a mostly independent economy. Mars won't be profitable. Hence Musk's fixation on self sustaining.
>>16257060>Shelby retires>depots start going up right away>deep space missions suddenly possible/sfg/ will have to remind people whose fault this was that it took so long.
>>16256904>24/7 permanent orbital depot>expanding HWY 4 to a 4 lane roadHUEG
>>16257064When my life was in the shitter I came to the realization that the most important thing I could do for space flight was [setup a galacticraft Minecraft server and play Minecraft with] Shelby. When I researched him to find out how I could [get in touch with him to play Minecraft] he had announced the week prior that he was retiring. I was almost your hero
>>16257073does Bozo play minecraft?
>>16257074Yeah he has a huge base with really good defenses so I don't think a noob could join him in Minecraft
>>16256915They'll just weld steel coils.
>Permanent Orbital Fuel Depot for Moon + Mars missions>>Permanent Orbital Fuel Depot for Moon + Mars missions>>Permanent Orbital Fuel Depot for Moon + Mars missions>>Permanent Orbital Fuel Depot for Moon + Mars missions>>Permanent Orbital Fuel Depot for Moon + Mars missions>>Permanent Orbital Fuel Depot for Moon + Mars missions>Permanent Orbital Fuel Depot for Moon + Mars missions
>>16257082Realistically how big would this thing be? Would it need a JWST autism tier sunshade or would radiators be fine? Could it be manned?
>>16257074Doesn't he have a Mars launch planned this year? Hang on, is Bezos about to get to Mars first?
>>16257084prolly just similar to this thing at first who knows
>>16256908Nobody has a solar-electric thruster that can run for 22,000 hours before burning out.
AirX when?
>>16257084either one expandable depot that might become very large, or multiple smaller depots, not sure what would be betteryou could co-locate a big LEO station with the fuel depot which might have some benefits I guess (can use humans to go do maintenance, could launch people to the LEO station and then they could change vehicles to a Moon shuttle from there)
>>16257084several acres in size at a minimum just for HLS
https://x.com/stocktalkweekly/status/1806403909570744557
https://x.com/compulyze/status/1806342315025244662Kathy Leuders speaking video
>>16257116
>>16257112And people think musk is fucked because tesla's stock is dropping.
>>16257119its funny to see TSLAQ's bewildered and mad in replies to posts mentioning this news lmao, they are coping and seething so hard
https://x.com/Starlink/status/1806406583452332471
https://x.com/robert_zubrin/status/1806158444279275978This the guy you worship? lmao
>>16257146So what is his idea for the ISS? it's starting to become ancient and costs billions a year to keep up there. And it will be redundant when super heavy starts putting 9m modules in LEO.
>>16257146thats crazy
>>16257116>>16257117talks about the fuel depot at 27min
>>16257146Zubrin is pretty smart, and his plan is actually quite clever
>>16257160can you do one for SLS and Starship
>>16257160>>16257167can you never post this shit again
>>16256361The space industry became so pathetic that Spacex had to vertically integrate the market demand too
>>16257167
>>16257173thats insane
>>16257160Love these they are so funn! You are talented
>>16257176>>16257178it's not me its Calude .35 basednet
>>16257178its AI
>>16257179
>>16257160If we colonize places that aren't Earth, then Earth's problems != humanity's problems
>>16257156As it should be
>>16257176>>16257179keep em coming, love the slop! peace and love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yoe6CIVlyuY>2 Funny Astronauts LIVE: with the Polaris Dawn CrewI opened at a random spot and they were talking about the number of jews on some crew, I hope that isn't indicative of the general topics they will talk aboutbut its quite a long stream, almost 2h
>>16257179>>16257180Oh! Well in that case please go do something else, so that you're no longer the lobotomized delivery boy of slop churned out by a chinese room
>>16257190LLM =/= chinese room
>>16256804>Orbital launches from Esrange?I know it is used for sounding rockets, especially for aurora borealis research, but how does Norway and Finland feel about dropping debris on their territory?
>>16257181>>16257179The duality of AI
>>16257202it does not discriminate (except when you type in feminist then suddenly "behave or you get banned")
>>16256562>unprompted
>>16257203anyway heres the link https://glif.app/glifs/clxtc53mi0000ghv10g6irjqjyou can bypass wordfilters with deliberate typos, AI still understands the context
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-will-pay-spacex-nearly-1-billion-to-deorbit-the-international-space-station/>Because of the sensitivity of the mission, NASA is likely to require a "Category 3" rocket under the auspices of its Launch Services Program, which are rockets that have a robust launch history. The agency notes that some rockets that fit this category are SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket and Northrop Grumman's Pegasus and Minotaur rockets. Because SpaceX is the contractor for the deorbit vehicle, it stands to reason that it likely will launch on a Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy. It's possible that SpaceX bid Starship for this mission, although I think that is unlikely because the vehicle is not classified as a Category 3 rocket now, nor is it likely to be for at least a couple of years.>The bidding process for the US Deorbit Vehicle was opaque, but there are a few intriguing clues. Initially, the contract was offered as a hybrid. NASA's original documents said the "design" portion of the contract would be cost-plus and the development portion firm-fixed-price. Then a couple of things happened. Perhaps because there were not that many bidders (one source suggested to Ars that SpaceX did not even bid initially), NASA modified the process to allow flexibility on the contracting mechanism. Then, earlier this year, NASA Administrator Bill Nelson estimated that the US Deorbit Vehicle would cost $1.5 billion.>"The contract is a single-award firm-fixed-price core with indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity, firm-fixed-price task orders," NASA spokesman Joshua Finch told Ars on Wednesday night. "To maximize value to the government and enhance competition, the acquisition allowed offerors flexibility in proposing firm-fixed-price or a cost-plus incentive fee for the design, development, test and evaluation phase, as well as for the production, assembly, integration, and test phase."
>>16257205>you can bypass wordfilters with deliberate typosSeems to be a theme with AI, Bing dall-e image gen is the same
>>16257211>The space agency considered alternatives to splashing the station down into a remote area of an ocean. One option involved moving the station into a stable parking orbit at 40,000 km above Earth, above geostationary orbit. However, the agency said this would require 3,900 m/s of delta-V, compared to the approximately 47 m/s of delta-V needed to deorbit the station. In terms of propellant, NASA estimated moving to a higher orbit would require 900 metric tons, or the equivalent of 150 to 250 cargo supply vehicles.
>>16257211Why would you need a super-robust rocket for a deorbit mission?The rocket is basically empty. If it blows up on the launch pad, who gives a shit?
>>16257213yeah despite their best efforts to RLHF and censor at the frontend the LLM is usually able to circumvent that shit
>>16257211>>16257214Feels like for 1 bil they'd be able to get 3.9km/s onto the ISS alongside a small thruster.
>>16257179That's me.
>>16257218I actually would prefer that they destroy the old rust bucket. It was a shit show from the start
>>16257221I'm against destroying history. I'd prefer they mothball it and make it into a museum piece. Despite all its failings and holding spaceflight back it was The Spacestation for several generations.
>>16257112its the second most valuable after tiktok (~ $260 billion). though tiktok's valuation is dropping cuz the upcoming ban.
>>16257191>LLM =/= chinese roomLLMs don't have algorithms? Really?
>>16256727woah that's insane.. just the scale of it...
>>16257214Get Tom to film on the ISS and initiate the final burn before jumping out.
>>16257196It's probably a non issue given the location and that staging would be over the ocean.
>>16257224Tiktok isn't American dummy
>>16257227yeah
>>16257223>for several generations.24 years ain't several generations unless you're a rabbit
>>16257237I'm not but my girlfriend is
>>16257116Kathy Leder, the general manager at SpaceX's Starbase facility, discussed the company's operations, achievements, and impact on the local community. She highlighted SpaceX's rapid progress in developing the Starship spacecraft, their commitment to environmental stewardship, and their efforts to integrate with and contribute to the local economy and workforce.Key Points:Starship Development:Starship has twice the thrust of the Saturn V rocketFour test flights conducted between April 2023 and June 2023, with increasing successEmphasis on learning and improving with each test flightStarbase Facility:Located in Boca Chica, TexasServes as the premier location for Starship production, testing, and launchingConstantly expanding and improving facilitiesEconomic impact:Significant investment in local infrastructure and job creationApproximately 50% of employees live in the Brownsville areaDiverse workforce needs beyond engineering and technical rolesEnvironmental considerations:Working closely with environmental agencies and wildlife organizationsConducting pre- and post-launch surveys for wildlife impactAddressing concerns about ecological effects of operationsCommunity Engagement:Partnerships with local educational institutions for workforce developmentMonthly community events and volunteer activitiesEfforts to improve local infrastructure, including plans for road upgradesFuture Plans:Continued development of Starship for NASA's Artemis program and other missionsExploration of options for expanding water and power infrastructureOngoing efforts to refine launch and landing capabilitiesChallenges:Balancing rapid development with environmental and community concernsManaging growth and infrastructure needs in a remote locationAddressing public safety and transportation issues
>https://spacenews.com/planet-lays-off-17-of-workforce/why do satellite companies keep laying off employees?
>>16257244Cleaner
>>16257012The number of non-Starlink launches per year is growing, and the Starlink percentage is increasing because the number of Starlink launches per year is growing even faster. What about that chart seems grim to you?
>>16257264No room for other launchers. ISRO/ESA/Russia/ULA/etc not having customer because SpaceX taking all.
>>16257241you are a lucky man
>>16257237Well, it went through several generations of hardware?
>>16257266Oh, yeah. I thought you meant grim for SpaceX.
>The first launch for China’s G60 Starlink megaconstellation of over 12,000 satellites is set for early August. https://spacenews.com/china-to-launch-first-satellites-for-megaconstellation-in-august/watch astronomers remain silent about this
https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1806439782953738249>Boeing says Starliner "worked exceptionally well" as a safe haven after NASA ordered astronauts to shelter-in-spacecraft yesterday. "Starliner remains available for return in case of an emergency on the space station that would require the crew to leave orbit immediately." >NASA and Boeing are going to give an update on the Starliner crew flight test tomorrow
>>16257150Why save the ISS at all when we can build a bigger, more modern space station and exclude people from enemy countries? Also I don't care about vaxxing turd worlders from countries who murder the doctors who do the vaxxing. Let them die.
>>16257211>. It's possible that SpaceX bid Starship for this mission, although I think that is unlikely because the vehicle is not classified as a Category 3 rocket now, nor is it likely to be for at least a couple of yearsthey have 6 years or so
>>16257294oh, well that's good. I was worried there were huge issues with starliner but if nasa is confident they could safely use it to leave in an emergency I'm sure that any problems are just small technicalities they'd like to work out.
>>16257241about that...
>The spacecraft could have been hit by an untracked piece of debris. >There has also been speculation that the spacecraft was hit by a Russian anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon>However, there have been no statements by either the Defense Department or Russian Ministry of Defense about such a testprobably a failure thenhttps://spacenews.com/russian-satellite-breaks-up-creating-debris-in-low-earth-orbit/
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1806444569107865825slapp that cylinder
>>16257312Personally I think it was just struck by debris or a micrometeorite this time. Worth noting last time the russian defense dept did an ASAT test near the ISS even Roscosmos was like ‘are you fucking kidding me retards’ lol
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1806445103772311646
>>16257315Have they done a drop test yet?
>>16257294>get in spacecraft>get out of spacecraft>nothing goes wrong>"worked exceptionally well"
>>16257315The rebounds at current speeds of closing doesn't look good.
I just got in. Redpill me on who ASATed the Resurs-P1.Was it the ziggers to have the deathliner crew killed?
>>16257312I like to think that russians are not crazy enough to test anti sat weapons on something that would spread debries in to the ISS path, knowing they have their own men on there. But then again, i have seen the meatgrinder in ukraine and in what conditions they force these poor men to fight and i fear for humanity.
Reminder that they are deorbiting the ISS rather than preserving it to cover up the dead crew that have accumulated. Reentry burns all evidence
>>16257336You cant really hide that shit. But you can hide the aliens growing behind your panels on your vodka station.
>>16257340that really was pretty funky
Can anyone help me out with a high res version of this photo from during the eclipse please?my house is right under the shadow and we want to print one out big as we can to put on the wall.
>>16256904>catastrophe scenarios
>>16257345How did they make such a cool station with old soviet shit
>>16257332It was either self-destructed, or a meteorite hit it.I don't really believe it was self-ASATed, russians don't have that much money.A meteorite smashing a solar panel can easily generate 100 parts.Then maybe NAFO trooners got it. They actually have the money, and this thing was supposed to be civilian, but maybe it was dual purpose.
>>16257352https://www.flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/albums/72177720316098512/
>>16257360Too obvious, back to the troll pitt with you.
>>16257357> we never got the stations Energia would have enabled fug
>>16257008but i was told there was no increase in demand outside of starlink
>>16257315we are so fuked bros
>>16257362oh perfect thanks! i tried a reverse image search before but didnt see the page you gave. thats going to print out very nicely.
>dreamliner>starliner>graveliner
>>16257374Who ever heard of decreasing costs inducing demand? Seriously people that understand economics have had a better understanding of SpaceX than people with entire careers in aerospace
When did you realize humans are the protagonists of the Solar System, maybe even the galaxy?
>>16256780lick stomach while hand holding
>>16257336matt dominick's crisis actor is proof that nasa conspired to hide astronaut deaths, just like judy resnik being alive is prove that nasa false flagged astronaut deaths. some agencies will do anything for power.
>>16257390I was born with human exceptionalism in my heart.
>>16257390If you consider the current theoretical numbers with regard to abiogenesis, we're the protagonists of the entire observable universe and then some
>>16257315>TILES ON>TILES OFF>TILES ON>TILES OFF>TILES ON>TILES OFF>TILES ON>TILES OFF>TILES ON>TILES OFF
>>16257390>>16257395>>16257396> narcissism and fearSad!
>>16257398the same post but it's gigachad wearing the "I hate aliens" shirt and after the greentext it says "based!"
>>16257390>a few thousand humans put in some real work and make something cool while everyone else is busy being fatasses who stare at their phones all dayOMG AREN'T WE AWESOME GUYS
>>16257401It’s about what we CAN be, not what we are
>>16257215There is only ever going to be one Deorbit Vehicle. If it blows up on the pad the ISS deorbits uncontrolled.
>>16257237Multiple generations can exist at the same time anon. Its' been the only station for late Gen X and above.
>>16257406NTA but this is SpaceX, not circa 2005 Lockheed or Boeing or whatever who can only do ONE ‘mega project’ over a 10-year period.This is probably going to be light work (metaphorically) for SpaceX.
>>16257401Imagine a planet populated exclusively by people like that though. Mars is going to be even more of a paradise than Earth despite everything against it
>>16257211>It's possible that SpaceX bid Starship for this mission, although I think that is unlikely because the vehicle is not classified as a Category 3 rocket now, nor is it likely to be for at least a couple of years.What an absolutely retarded take. If companies like BO can win contracts with paper rockets, and zero experience with orbital anything, why wouldn't SpaceX go all-in with Starship, considering its about 6 years away?
>>16257411A generation is 15-20 years, pilpul nigger
>>16257415as the sentence you quoted plainly implies this is the sort of contract BO couldn't win
>>16257415a) BO is winning mission tailor-made by the government to fund non-existent rockets bc the government wants to seed some sort of space economy and/or have “options”(what I’m trying to say is that New Glenn keeps winning contracts because NASA needs a “not-SpaceX” and they are willing to fund it through $20 mil, $50 mil, $100 mil projects)b) I agree about starship. NASA calling these vehicles “cat 3” is just some arbitrary labeling… ISS keeps getting extended further and further, and by the time it actually needs to be deorbited it’s not crazy to think that Starship will be pretty mature. SpaceX might be bidding a Falcon Heavy style mission now but I wouldn't be surprised if they seek an updated contract. I believe this is exactly what they are doing right now with Gateway resupply-Dragon XL. They want to just use Starship eventually.
>>16257415Especially knowing that the Starship ABSOLUTELY can function as a disposable rocket.>>16257418>two existing generations before it launched>at least two generations born in that time periodI'm counting 4 generations involved during the ISS.
>spend 9 months of 7 engineer's salaries to teach AI how to design a rocket engine with a combustion chamber, nozzle, fuel injectors, cooling channels, etc>3d print it out of metal on a $1,000,000 printer>cut it in half with a jumbo wire edm machine (not cheap either) to show off the internal complexity instead of actually running hot fire tests on it>don't make 2 of themSO FUCKING GAYyou know these AI designed rocket engines just look like rocket engines but don't actually function because nobody will actually fire them and take a video of it
Help us, Elon... heeeellllpppp uuuuusssss...
>>16257429I'd like to fly into her space if you know what I mean
>>16257418>U.S. air force>no airWhy would they lie
>>16257432if you mean that you'd be pleased to rendezvous and dock with her i think i may have gotten your drift
>>16257438they is NOT catching the booster in those chopsticks.IFT5 won't be until the second tower is built for sure
>>16256588I didn't see it live but I saw it that day and LOL'd
>>16257438Are they going to drop it from the crane onto the catch arms?
https://x.com/LeoLabs_Space/status/1806431073082958243>Update: We are now tracking at least 180 fragments resulting from this event. >We expect this number to increase in the coming days. We are actively analyzing the debris cloud to characterize it, identify a potential cause, and estimate the impact. >More details to follow.
>>16257429>teach AI how to design a rocket engineThey didn't. It's just bullshit to get funding. Which is also why they didn't show any results.
>>16257447Oof not good. Not world ending, but these kinds of things are an unsafe pain in the ass nonetheless
these two bald frauds are in cahoots to sabotage SpaceX
>>16257433The room is full of space and at that time the space force was part of the air force
>>16257457Excellent point thanks
The JunoCam instrument aboard NASA's Juno spacecraft captured two volcanic plumes rising above the horizon of Jupiter's moon Io on Feb. 3, 2024. Mission scientists think the plumes were emitted either by two vents from one giant volcano, or two volcanoes near each other.JunoCam imaged the plumes from a distance of about 2,400 miles (3,800 kilometers).(only resolution offered sorry)
>>16257465>scientists think the plumes were emitted either by two vents from one giant volcano, or two volcanoes near each othernow that's the kind of science I love seeing my hard earned tax money going to
>>16257397you"re not funny
>>16257390its depressing considering that lots of humans are shitty
>>16257390for now
>>16257465Where's the colours
>>16257447Is the starlink hardware insured?
>>16257482nothing in space has colors popsci astronomers have been lying to you for decades
>>16256182I want to try drawing this starship chan, but i dont know anything about the actual rocket. Is starship the second stage and superheavy the first stage/booster?Also should the grid fins be her wings or like things that go over her hands like a guilty gear character
>>16257493I think it is in between nasa's sensationalist images and so called "true color""true color" is mastered for 90s monitor technology with crappy color range, the human eye is capable of seeing way more colors than that.
>>16257497>Is starship the second stage and superheavy the first stage/booster?Yes>should the grid fins be her wings or like things that go over her hands like a guilty gear characterListen to your heart
>>16257332Didn't they do an ASAT test that could have sent debris into the ISS path shortly before the invasion started?
>>16257438The bouncing after they connect is no bueno. Not feeling optimistic about the catch, no way to sugarcoat this etc...
>>16257510The amount of bounce is a bit much in my opinion, but it seems fine to me so long as they can latch.Keep in mind, the latching mechanism is a separate piece from the arm itself, which means it can move to compensate for the arm bouncing.Ultimately though, we will see, for there is always a chance I'm wrong in my optimism.
https://x.com/Alexphysics13/status/1806446455097643176>Looks like another European satellite went from Ariane 6 to SpaceX's Falcon 9. In this case this one is the second satellite of Europe's latest generation of geostationary weather satellites.https://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2024/06/27/severe-deconvenue-pour-ariane-6-une-agence-europeenne-annule-un-contrat_6244812_1650684.html>Hard blow for space Europe. Less than a fortnight before the first flight of Ariane-6, scheduled for July 9, the European meteorological satellite agency (Eumetsat) decided, Thursday, June 27, to no longer call on this new launcher to put its Meteosat MTG-S1 satellite into orbit. The executive committee has indeed asked the board of directors representing the thirty Member States to choose the American Falcon-9 rocket from SpaceX, Elon Musk's company, for this mission. The contract signed four years ago with Arianespace has therefore been cancelled.>This decision is surprising for two reasons. First of all, by its precipitation. The satellite was not designed for boarding the first flight of the Ariane-6, but in the third, which will be held at the beginning of the year 2025, in six months. A launcher, in the course of manufacture, was reserved for this purpose, and no indication no indication that such a challenge. But most importantly, make that decision in a few days for a first launch is also seen as a sign of defiance in the face of this new rocket. The effect is all the more devastating as it is a choice made by a European body.
>>16257510HOLY FUCK THE ARMS BOUNCED THERE IS LITERALLY NO WAY TO FIX THIS SPACE TRAVEL IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE 1984 IS REAL ITS OVER
I wonder if saving weight by making the booster aluminum and then adding it back with landing legs a la New Glenn will turn out to be the better strategy in the long run.screencap this and come back to it in the 2050s. tell me if I was right.
Ummm Shartship bros? What's up with the catch?? Orbiter recovery when???
>>16257540Fucking around with two different types of metal will complicate production and raise costs.
>>16257493That's clearly yellow. Get your eyes examined.
>>16257540Nah, they can just trim the booster as needed later on by optimizing for structure better.
we need more physical goods made in space to be sold on earth
>>16257557gimme the designer space-drugs any day of the week
>>16257557endo steel structure lets goo
>>16257557dragon dildos cast in zero-g
We are now in the greatest era of clickbaitkino
>>16257557space is being created in space as we speak, I sell it on Earth as time
Now that the debate is over. Who had the best response to spaceflight?
>>16257571at least he's not soijacking
>>16257584they never said anything about space...
>>16257592And they never will
we will never see this as long as BO is in charge of building it
>>16257584Not a single question about China. I don't think people see China as a threat. Are >we the ones coping, hoping for some sort of space race that isn't even going to happen??
>>16257599us and the MIC, yeah
>>16257084The first depot will be the size of a starship, and have a simple mylar sun shield suspended an inch off of the tank surface. No need for JWST-tier autism
>>16257605>stone toss tug of war meme
>>16257598especially since BO isnt investing in dreamchaser. they could be like axiom right now and doing manned flights ahead of their space station, but they arent. how are you supposed to get people to your station without a ride?
Does india actually have a good space industry. I dont actually care about jeet shit enough to do research but thats baffling. They cant even make a gun (the insas is a steaming pile of doodoo)
>>16257615most countries dont even have a space program, so india is doing pretty well in that regard
>>16257615Their tech is mostly a mishmash of old existing tech and some of their own home-grown innovations. They're not starting from scratch, like most others are trying to do, which... good on them. I like the bulky ass LVM3 for what it is.
>>16257615it's decent but they are still very behind, compared to US space exploration India is probably in the early 1970s when it comes to tech and China is in the late 1990s/early 2000s
>>16257357Because old soviet shit is cool
>>16257390Who else is there to be the protagonists? Life only exists on Earth.
>>16257623>compared to USmight as well compare them to god. just say it's good for what india is as a country and leave it at that
I am yet to see anything from China yet that convinces me that they'll get to the moon first in this race
>>16257633They don’t have to worry about DEI shit. Forcing spaceflight to be “diverse” will only slow down the west.
>>16257427My grandpa, who as a young boy saw civil war veterans march in Chicago, died shortly after the completion of the ISS
>Still, the satellite did pass over a Russian launch site that could be used to fire missiles during the window of time that the event was said to have occurred, according to Dr. McDowell. “So I can’t rule it out at this point,” he said, “but I also can’t rule in.”im not saying its an asat but its pretty coincidental
while we're on the subject of ASAT? does any country publicly acknowledge a large supply of any ASAT system? you hear about tests here and there but never about a stockpile or a contract for 100 missiles or anything.
>>16257615They're good enough to count as one of the major space powers, but out of the big six they're coming in sixth in most aspects. They've got the smallest overall budget, but they do a good job of pulling off some big wins within those confines. They'll be the fourth nation to develop independent crew launch capability. They've scored some big planetary science wins with their lunar and martian programs and they'll probably add Venus to that scorecard before NASA can get a probe of its own back there. That said, their biggest launcher is just above the Soyuz in payload capacity while costing twice as much and having a fraction of the flight rate. Indian domestic propulsion experience is quite weak on account of their ballistic missile program having jumped right into solid fuel designs without going through an Atlas/Titan phase first. They also tried to save time and money by licensing liquid engines designs from Europe and Russia which ended up setting them back over the long run. Having the SCE-200 be at least half Russo-Ukrainian didn't help change this. Structurally their space sector has a lot of the same oldspace issues you'd find in their American or European counterparts, but there are some efforts to denationalize the core while encouraging the growth of small space startups, and that's starting to some show results. There's a lot of public enthusiasm and support for spaceflight in India, and the launch streams from Sriharikota always have a few big crowd shots of people waiting to see the launch. Overall, they've got problems in scale and structure, but they have set some ambitious goals and have a good track record of following through on them. If they keep making the right long term choices they'll continue to do well, although there's just too much of a gap to really catch up to America or China's current standing. Not a leader, but easily a strong partner going forward.
>>16257648the US has the largest asat system in the world, but its labeled as a ballistic missile defense. idk the total number of missiles, but its at least 1200 missiles (gmd, sm-3, thaad, etc.) capable of knocking out satellites in leo.
>>16257615Let's ask AI to create a realistic depiction of India's space program.
>>16257609kek
>>16257465Neat. Can they analyze the composition from what instruments are on it?
>>16257470the camera was an afterthought we are lucky we see anything at all
>>16257557My previous idea of space hard alcohol still makes sense when you look at the extremely high luxury alcohol market. And if zero g distillation tastes better then even more so
hiiii :3
>>16257681:3 famili
So, what's the plan for staging? Go to the existing (and misspelled) /sfg/ thread, or create a new thread?
>>16257701Creat a new one
>>16257681
trump has a legit possibility of winning now. what do we think a second term for him would do for american space? i like to think of his first term's space legacy as retardedly good luck, but im not sure if he could roll a 20 again in a second term. i definitely think he'll at the very least continue the course that he and biden have been running for the past 8 years.
>>16257747It would be absolutely based. He's atleast pro space, pro deregulation and has a generally positive view of Elon.
>>16257747He will protect our genius.
>>16257747Daily starship launches starting on inauguration day
>>16257681PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP GET CLAMPED GET CLAMPED GET CLAMPED
>>16257747the biggest effect would not be actual changes in policy or funding, but rather elon not having such a cold attitude towards the exec branch. that itself will result in possible developments.
>>16257758>elon not havingRather the execs branch not trying to kill him. If Trump removes some of the swamp second time, it would be awesome. Now that we know what he's up against due to all the revalations in the last 3 years
>>16255391Space & Information Division (of North American Aviation)
>>16257747any substantial increases in the nasa budget are going to be unlikely regardless of who controls congress. there are still a few sls bitter-enders in the senate like cantwell but most of the old guard (ballast, shelby) is gone. so it's not impossible SLS could get cancelled after artemis 4... just really unlikely.greg autry would be the best choice to replace ballast at nasa both in terms of not losing any races to china and in terms of promoting industry growth. but there's absolutely no way of guessing what's going to happen there, since trump never puts much thought into his appointments.
>>16257760Hey, thanks anon! I'm not him but I respect a man who'll answer a question, especially when everyone else seems to have forgotten.>>16257759Revelations in the last 3? I think he started realizing just how deep that swamp was in 2019.
>>16257763>I think he started realizing just how deep that swamp was in 2019.Only slightly. He should have fired the FBI/CIA directors and anyone willingly trying to cancel him. He didn't realize how corrupt Fauci was back then either. The corruption is extremely deep and now everyone in the world knows it.
>>16257758Elon needs to explain to him why Artemis should be outright cancelled and replaced by 100% Starship architechture instead. SLS/Orion just ain't cuttin the cheese
>>16257766that wouldn't really make any difference since SLS exists by congressional mandate and it's congress that can threaten nasa with budget cuts if they try to cancel SLS.
there's a whole ass space station in orbit and nobody gives a shit
>>16257768Elon needs to explain to him why it should be called the Senate Launch System so it's failings are personally embarrassing to Washington and force them to rethink this program.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1806556312563523923
>>16257681Meowww!
>>16257778RELEASE THE ROCKITTEN
DRAGON THE CAPSULE IS A BITCH ASS MOTHER FUCKER
>>16257612>how are you supposed to get people to your station without a ride?Uh, SLS exists you know.
>>16257771What's their version of Canadarm? Hainanarm?
Yeah, I didn't expect politics to overshadow this general, but I should've seen it coming. Ah well, IFT-5 will really bring in the crowds.
>>16257845General has been fucked for years now and it's only going to get worse
>>16257851Oh, no, I literally mean that this general's activity basically died the MOMENT the US presidential debate happened.
>>16257838chinadarm
>>16257760that was me that asked and thanks for the answer
ESA needs to be stopped being called European, it's just arrogant Frenchies dicking around
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/27/europe-wants-to-deploy-data-centers-into-space-study-says.html>Advanced Space Cloud for European Net zero emission and Data sovereignty, a 16-month-long study that explored the feasibility of launching data centers into orbit, has come to a “very encouraging” conclusion, according to Damien Dumestier, manager of the project.
https://spacenews.com/russian-spy-satellite-reportedly-continues-suspicious-maneuvers/>Since its launch, Luch 2 has been notably active, making several significant maneuvers during its first 14 months in orbit, said the company. The satellite’s closest approach to date was with Eutelsat’s KA-SAT 9A, coming within approximately 20 km of the communications satellite. >Schaffer noted that Luch 2 “has a history of cozying up to communications satellites, and it now appears to be repositioning itself near its next target.”
ESA should be much bigger than it actually is
>>16257888How are they gonna cool that shit in space? Just cover the whole thing in radiators? Or was this idea proposed by one of the retards who think "space is cold"? Data centers make a fuckton of heat.
https://x.com/RampCapitalLLC/status/1806539704587710787the current president of the United States of America
>>16257196They aren't dropping debris. The debris is either dropped on Swedish land in the far north or in the arctic sea.
>>16257838Mongoliarm.
>>16257649>They're good enough to count as one of the major space powers, but out of the big six they're coming in sixth in most aspects.Nah, They come in 5th in most respects. 6th is solidly europe who still can't even make their own crew vehicle.
Didn't Europe have that one "homegrown" space company kicking around? I can't remember the name of it, but it was mostly hobbyists, and they had a plan to do a suborbital crewed vehicle. They even had the capsule functioning. I think they painted it orange. It was very cramped, being a one seater with barely any leg room. Effectively a large trash can converted into a capsule, really.Unfortunately, outside of "it's probably based in the Scandinavian region," those are all of the details I can remember. Anyone else know what the fuck I'm on about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKorcw_BiBA>China's Plan to Establish a Permanent Base on the Moon
Elon caught lying again - at the time of posting, 31 July 1993 was NOT exactly thirty years ago.
Staging>>16257931>>16257931>>16257931>>16257931
>>16257928Copenhagen suborbitals, as in suborbital flight.
>>16257930>1993That... that is 30 years ago, anon.>1994>off by 33 daysWe call that "close enough" in this industry.
>>16257933>Copenhagen suborbitalsCORRECT THANK YOU!!!It's been bothering me ever since like a month ago and I could not figure it out no matter how hard I tried.
>>16257928Copenhagen Suborbitalsthe CEO killed some guy in a submarine iirc
>>16257928I remember that pill capsule.Pretty sure they cancelled it cause it turns out the g forces in such a standing position would kill the passenger.
>>16257936Oh was he the guy that decapitated that female reporter for degen fetish reasons then tried to blame it on a malfunctioning hatch? Weird dude
>>16256969kek
>>16257758Other way 'round, the admin currently hates him because they are salty bitches, every one of 'em.
>>16257002>implying Boing will exist in 2031
>>16257038Any white collar work that doesn't require regular real time communication
>>16257073based politician befriender
>>16257084I think you need a dirtshade, too. The earth is hot and covers a lot of the sky in LEO.
>>16257156I don't think it's accurate to suggest that Elon single-handedly built Starlink, or even that he planned to become an ISP.
>>16257332If you support the war please go die in it
>>16257381binliner
>>16257390I learned it by noticing the difference between humans and negroes
>>16257540I can tell you you're wrong today
>>16257574>a cubic kilometer of timewhat is the minimum bid?
>>16257762A better economy means more money for space.Dementia Joe has got to go.
>>16257899Good point. You can tell it's a retarded idea because the Euros suggested it.
>>16257214Lol. Thats doable with Dragon 2. Literally free money.
>>16258127That comes up 30m/s short, it's not dragon 2. If it's a single ship, it'll be dragon XL. Or they shove a PAM in the trunk. Or it's more than one dragon.It's not entirely free money but it spares SpaceX the need to develop XL for Artemis anyway. And a bunch of red tape on NASA's part because they'd need to fund it anyway.
