Arianne 6 Launch EditionPrevious - >>16271105
>>16274623>Ariane Launch Systemlol, lmao even
>>16274623FIRST FOR GUARANTEED ACCESS TO SPACE WITH THE MOST ECONOMICALLY SENSIBLE ROCKET EVER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0oFpOJaIYcthis thing better fucking fly well
>>16274633it won't
You spelled Space+Flight wrong
Whos ready for a kaboom on the pad?
>>16274633>(Official broadcast)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ch6wPRb4Og>SFNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwxcVS4CdQ>Clearhttps://x.com/i/broadcasts/1YqKDkPMWQOxV>ESA Twitter
>>16274640no way it's blowing up
>>16274641"(((Official broadcast)))"
EUROBROS WE'RE SO BACK
>>16274640I am ready
So how is 6 better than 5?
>>16274645We aren't, though.
>>16274647because seven ate nine
>>16274644Greentext your quotes
>>162746476 is a bigger number
>>16274645you got 11min barring a pushback before you can say that..... and even then it's not really comparable to SpaceX in terms of cost/efficiency
>>16274644ecksdee
has a launch ever actually failed because of shit weather?
>>16274656apollo 12 almost did
15 ROCKETSBELON BUSK CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
That's it, I'm awarding Zubrin an honorary Director of Propulsion position at 4ASS.>no no see the fissioning aqueous solution goes prompt supercritical BEFORE it has time to boilhttps://x.com/robert_zubrin/status/1810748329271382376
>>16274630Impressionant! With this most recent rocket, France has in a single stroke marked the decline of SpaceX and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful space dominance for the European bull.
>>16274656does Challenger count?
>>16274656Challenger
>>16274656good question. I presume there were early Space Age failures due to ground winds, upper level wind shear, and lightning. Why else would they add those weather rules?
>>16274656yeah, a lot more of them would fail if they weren't such weather autists these days https://www.orlandosentinel.com/1987/03/27/nasa-rocket-fails-in-lightning-storm/
>>16274647>Height10m taller>DiameterSameCan get stuff to GEO, SSO and LTO though
>>16274656One of the early Astra Rocket 3 launch attempts from Kodiak almost failed because the water in the GSE pipes froze solid and they had to send guys out into an Alaskan winter night to heat them up.
>>16274623I'm not a nerd like you all. I watch euro 2024 like every other normal people
>Ariane 6 64 gross weight: 2 million lbs>Starship gross weight: 11 million lbsIt was over before it even began
1 minute
I'm scared
On onboard cams, I guess?
>>16274623Looks like we're a go, good luck Eurobros
>>16274674I don't think A6 was ever advertised as superheavy launch vehicle but alright dude
>ESA put the chat into subscribers only mode
>ariana 6 control room >full of black peopleLol it's going to blow up.
>>16274681kwab
>>16274644>(((Diffusion officielle)))
go go ariane 6
>>16274674Starship is almost double the height of Ariane 6 and a bit more than 50% higher diameter
DECOLLAGE
Launch right at the start of the French Euro match
What a disgusting languageCan't believe Napoleon spoke this shit
>le nominal
hon hon hon le nominale
SHUT UP, BITCH
LE NOMINAL
i hate the french language
trajectoire nominale
>ESA sticker peeling off
nominal
Is it just me or is the rocket wiggling too much? Oh well it survived BECO at least.
French cultural victory.>Euro 2024 semifinal
>Clear mentioned!
booster sep
when boosters coming back
propulsion nominale
>>16274700It's the camera. They didn't get one of those fancy turrets like those boomers use for NASA launches
>>16274704
hat separated
DU LA QUAF
séparation de la kwaf
>>16274710
>>16274704there would be less jobs if we made reusable rocketst. ariane/esa
french is such a funny language
>european space agency>it's actually french
C'EST NOMINALE
french people belong in space
>>16274699https://youtu.be/frc-MaJCvrc?si=7JC5be59plVJO5zA&t=20
Beautiful launch desu. Ariane 6 is a great looking rocket, very elegant.
>they actually STOPPED using a common bulkhead but didn't attempt reusabilitythe absolute state of yurp
That thing is pointing nearly straight up, how bad is its TWR
>>16274718To save the French people they must take to the stars and escape this gay Earth.
>>16274724you're assuming ESA's renders have any correspondence to reality
no text on the timeline
>>16274724Hydrogen garbage.Reminder that isp is almost irrelevant compared to gravity loss and this a second stage.
>>16274725>save the French peoplestfu frog
They should get starlink
GOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAL
>>16274724Hydromemebut yeah seems to be a ridiculously steep trajectory
stage sep
nice glow
Propulsiòn nominal.
the guy shouting in french sounds like he had a massive stroke that left him unable to speak
>>16274716My country contributes 1.6% of ESA budget, we can into space!
>>16274736He's black so that makes sense.
>>16274716>european space agency>it's actually french>launch from south america
Upper stage is low energy as fuck.It looks even weaker than centaur.
>>16274741Righful French clay.
>>16274737300 mil subsidy per launch to Arianespace
>>16274743just like Africans and Arabs are rightful French citizens
>>16274741French Guiana is actual French territory, it's in the EU and everything.
ma bite nominal
>>16274745Exactly. The world belongs to France.
>>16274742so weak, that it loses altitude by design, just like Ariane 5
>preparing reusable demonstratorswhen did F9 land the first time again? 8 years ago? lmao
>>16274742get your facts straight, piss TWR and dropping 120km during second stage burn is the hallmark of a HIGH ENERGY ARCHITECTURE
>>16274750
>>16274756where'd you get this photo of me celebrating the successful launch?
Wait hold up, Ariane 5 couldn't reignite its upper stage in flight? American upper stages have been relighting in flight since the 60s.
>>16274742Chamber pressure is 60 bar.Raptor is just an extreme outlier because they need to be very optimal to get any payload up at all.Space is actually very easy if you're fully expendable
>>16274756Beautiful picture of the Emperor and his subjects.
when your rocket takes so long to reach LEO that you have to run multiple ads to keep your audience from getting bored
Beautiful.
>>16274761"Beautiful picture of the Emperor (left) and his subjects."
>first F9 landing was in 2015utterly grim
>>16274759Uhm the best part is no part.
>>16274759it couldn't reignite its 2nd stage, and relied on a third stage (AVUM) for that fine tuning. I think A6 did away with that stage, now the 2nd stage does it all.
a brisk 18:40 to orbit
FUCKIGN SHUT UP YOU WHORESwhy are they even speaking with that shitty british accent, I thought all the anglonogs got kicked outjesus fuck if you're gonna have women at least have them speak with a french or german accent
What was that jumpscare on the camera
>>16274742>>16274760The RL10, AJ10, J-2, RS-25, MVac, and RVac are all really fucking good upper stage engines for their sizes. It's a key strength of American rockets. Rocket 3 failed because the upper stage team and Ben Lyon cheaped out too hard with their gay snowman second stage.>>16274769QED.
>>16274770They eat a stunning amount of gravity losses in that thing.
>a fucking LEGO tie-in>>>/toy/
>>16274774It's nice that Arianespace is actually able to provide some onboard views. Ariane 5 never seemed to have those.
>this much dead airamazing workpresumably the announcers went on strike
>>16274756Mmmmm delicious BBC
so when is payload deployment?
>>16274778Their sustainer engine Vulcain is basically a single froggy J-2 and the upper stage Vinci is basically a single froggy RL10. It's obscenely under thrusted. You could probably increase payload by going to three engines per stage and maybe widening the diameter a bit, but that would be le expenseef since they're just throwing these things into the ocean every time.>>16274783They're in French territory, it's a mandatory 90 minute lunch break.
>>16274774think of the amount of poor fish and algae that will die when that thing crashes into the ocean, where are the hit pieces?
>>16274786The announcers don't even come back for another half hour.
https://x.com/wulei2020/status/1810719685001826446A moss in desert found to be able to survive in a simulated Mars environment. Drought, radiation, extreme cold.
CHALLENGE: SAY SOMETHING NICE ABOUT FRANCEIMPOSSIBLE MODE: DON'T USE PAST TENSE
>>16274792And the atmosphere?
>>16274783After having endured so many thankful superchat readings dead air feels like a blessing>>16274788It's under-thusted because of Ariane's high efficiency hydrogen sustained philosophy. The Vinci itself is actually a 180 kN engine which puts it at about double the RL-10s average thrust.
>>16274399How reliable is Starlink? Will Elon send angry letters to me for pirating Japanimation?
I fucking love how Arianes just GO FUCKING FAST right from the get go
>>16274788The Vinci is about twice the thrust of an RL-10. The RL-10 based vehicles are even worse, apparently.
>>16274792不如地衣吧
>>16274785nobody gonna mention this?
>>16274793they make good cheese i think(I've never had it)
>>16274795>It's under-thusted because of Ariane's high efficiency hydrogen sustained philosophy. The Vinci itself is actually a 180 kN engine which puts it at about double the RL-10s average thrust.That's a fancy way of saying they use the boosters to throw the thing upward and use the upper stage almost exclusively for horizontal velocity.
>>16274794Well, it will likely be in an enclosed green house environment that may have to deal with extreme cold/radiation/drought from time to time. Not necessarily be exposed to the atmosphere itself
>>16274793i like daft punk
>>16274801Everyone knows Macron is a scoundrel, and nobody cares because the French are too cowardly and beholden, too owned by non-French interests, and far too proud to admit it.
>>16274798The RL-10 has been comfortable with only having ~100 kN of performance for the last thirty years. America just doesn't need more than that, and if it does it can buy a second engine.
>>16274793Paris syndrome is funny
>>16274798This really makes the ICPS inexcusable as a separate stage. Screw the AJ10, just bolt the fucking RL10 and tanks on to Orion as part of the service module.
>>16274807>>16274793I like the french female singer from Stereolab
>>16274810If you imagine America's space program remaining as it has been for the past 30 years, sure, an RL-10 powered upper stage is more than enough for the standard paradigm of LEO to GEO satellites.
>>16274716I mean, yeah? They're only engineers over there worth the title of engineer.
>>16274816Not Germans?
>>16274815They thought about up-gunning the Exploration Upper Stage with a cluster of Vincis, but decided that would be giving the Euros too much participation. Four RL-10C-3s is more than enough for a lunar mission anyway.
>>16274829Or they could do a single J-2X
>>16274814https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e1eLe1ihT0for me it's the cernettes
>>16274818Can Germans do a fighter jet engine? No they can't. In Europe, only the UK and France are able to. Only a select few countries in the world have the expertise. The ones with elite engineers.There, you have your answer.They are very good in other areas though, I'll take German logistics any time of the day. It requires a specific kind of autism, but one that's needed.
>>16274830That would be expensive and new and scary. The RL-10 is always available and always reliable. Just add more RL-10s.
this is extremely boring desuwhy don't these fags use starlink
>>16274838for the same reason the rocket exists at all
at least with the indian launches you can make benchod jokes, this is just dead airwhat are these faggots getting paid for?no timeline, no commentary lmao
>>16274807yeah, French electronic music is pretty greatAir and French 87 are good also
>>16274797>heavy lift rocket>payload of 2 cubesatsI sure hope it lept off the pad.
>>16274844that being?
>>16274846Watch the correct stream.
>>16274835I'm sure they could if they had the money to burn and years to spend to develop expertise. Siemens is pretty big in gas and steam turbines and they're producing top notch stuff. It's not nearly the same, but they wouldn't be starting from zero.
>>16274850it's just medium now, no better than a Soyuz
>>16274851European idiocy.
>>16274850Medium lift. The 64 is the heavy lifter, and only barely a heavy at that.
>>16274830That implies the J-2X exists.
>>16274851to not depend on the amerimutts, chinks, indians, ruskies or any other retards to send our shit to space.it was impossible to do it when the war started in Ukraine (yes, even with Ariane 5) because the ESA was using Soyuz.
We're back
>>16274860They finished development of the damn thing, they just never put it into production.
>>16274843nice
>>16274852Even she can't make this interesting
>>16274863aren't the parts built in several different european countries?
>yurpeens discover ullage thrusters
>>16274870
>>16274874looks like a good way to achieve independence!
>>16274874these are just the main components
>>16274870>>16274875It's a European rocket retard.
>>16274874This is why they'll never catch up to SpaceX or even the Chinese. This bureaucratic jobs program makes everything slower and more expensive.
>>16274878>independent of 3 countries>dependent on 27 countriesseems reasonable
That altitude profile is disgusting
>>16274874what a mess
>>16274878You're right. Now they can just build this thing and send payloads to space free of any political interference.
>>16274881It's jointly built, so effectively the country is one.
>>16274623> Disposable rocketOh, isn't that precious!
>NASA got some cubesats on this flightThey trusted Ariane 6 as much as Rocket 3 kek.
I don't hate this that much.It's way less egregious than the SLS.The innovative vehicles will come from RFA and other startups.Brieschenk is way less delusional than Kemp and not a drug addict either.
>>16274870the important bits are French, the launch base is French, etc...the real reason why the ESA is more French than German boils down to history, basically the French wanted an independant space program, the Germans didn't want to spend too much money on it and thought (wrongly) that it wouldn't work, so they bailed near the end but France managed to reach space and since that time we managed to keep all the talented/intelligent space engineers in France and because we spent so much money developing a space program, we'll never give it to anyone else, it's a collaboration to the French space program more than anything.Germs also did the same for the European fighter jet and we made the Rafale to prove them wrong.same for the civilian nuclear program.(and we also made our own nukes while we were at it).Germans are retarded, more news at 11
>>16274623Goddamn it feels good to be EuropeanIt may not be the best rocket, but at least it means we don't have to be reliant on a foreign billionaire who holds contempt for us (and indeed for everybody who isn't him)
>>16274874what is worse, this or SLS?
>>16274894Just look at $/kg.It's SLS by a large margin
what's in the cube ?
3,000 years of European history has lead up to this moment
>"We've traced the cope. It's coming from inside the thread."
>>16274893>he has money therefor he's bad>What? How dare you question that, what about his [whatever bullshit promulgated by mass media and the normie sphere of the internet]?It's not an informed position, but at least it's not a clear indication of Elon Derangement Syndrome
>>16274898fragments of a meteorite
>>16274891>the Germans didn't want to spend too much money on it and thought (wrongly) that it wouldn't work>Germs also did the same for the European fighter jet and we made the Rafale to prove them wrongThe Germans participated in the Eurofighter Typhoon though, so it's not like they refused to invest in a fighter jet of any kind. And you could say that collaborating with other European countries was a good idea. Share the costs, and benefit from a bigger pool of engineering talent.
>>16274905>return to sender>asteroid sample return return mission
>>16274894It's not even a contest.
Payload separation nominal.
>>16274904>>he has money therefor he's badAbsolutely not. Money alone doesn't make someone bad. A person's behaviour is what makes them bad, regardless of how much money they have.
>>16274900and the United States put man on the Moon in less than 200 years
>>16274909holy shit
>>16274912And yet, the first thing everyone critical towards him always opens with is that he's a billionaire (derogatory).
dropkick communists into trash compactors
>>16274909Imagine having to coordinate this shit
>>16274835they had fighter jet engines in the 40s
>>16274835>German logistics
>>16274909more useful government jobs program than occupying the middle east for 20 years.
>>16274930I would say that is arguableif the west went full blown imperialism and colonialism again, at least the shithole nations would have stable governments
>>16274835>german logisticsAnon, I...
>>16274924Please never look into what it takes to build a car or a washing machine or whatever.
>>16274906the Germs didn't want a fighter that could carry a nuclear payload or take off from a carrier, because when you do a "joint" program with them they only think about their own asses more than anything (cheap and not too hard to build).funny story because they did the same shit with the new joint franco-german fighter (no nuclear payload and not being able to take off from a carrier), so the project was in a dead end and it was probably going to be carried dy Dassault alone (as usual) but then the Ukrainian war happened and Germs became scared because France is the only European country to have the nuke, so they greenlit the project.yes, Germans are THAT retarded.just like the time when they shut down their nuclear power plants on a whim after Fukushima and said nuclear is "le bad" and then their nuclear scientists fucked off to France or elsewhere, so now Germs don't have anyone competent anymore, if they ever want to build nuclear power plants again they will be forced to buy French lol.oh and btw it's almost always France that comes up with joint programs with Germans because why not but the Germs always fuck everything up.we still have the other joint tank project but who knows how they will mess up this time.
>>16274936Shit comparison.
>>16274944Based retard.
>>16274942And how are the exports of Leclerc vs Leopard 2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmiWTvWdAiA>You know engineering tradeoff analysisshort eager video about tradeoff analysis
>>16274947Cringe pseud
>>16274961
>>16274949almost non-existent, the reason being we don't build Leclerc tanks anymore (only upgrade them), hence why we're making a new tank with the Germans.the state's budget for the army is mainly going to the new fighter, the new tank and the new aircraft carrier that will have a normal catapult for a while and then an electromagnetic catapult like the US has once we can make it.only the new carrier isn't a joint project.maybe there's a new sub too because we built nuclear subs from time to time but it's a secret anyway so we wouldn't know.
>>16274835germans are known for their logistics, right
>>16274917That other anon is stupid, billionaires didn't get to where they are by being nice people.
>>16274961what's it about?
>>16274976Nobody who ever did anything of great impact on the world did so by being nice. That includes the names you associate with soft revolutionary power: Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi were the soft voices behind the bigger, violent sticks making the same demands.
>>16274965>maybe there's a new sub too because we built nuclear subs from time to time but it's a secret anyway so we wouldn't know.(this is why you lost the Australian sub deal)
>>16274891>the real reason why the ESA is more French than German boils down to history, basically the French wanted an independent space program, the Germans didn't want to spend too much money on it and thought (wrongly) that it wouldn't work, so they bailed near the end but France managed to reach spaceThis is not historically accurate. Germany had no part in Diamant. If you're talking about Ariane (which was not France's first launcher), the Germans were a partner from the beginning. They never left.>>16274942>the Germs didn't want a fighter that could carry a nuclear payload or take off from a carrierYou seem to be forgetting Britain, Spain and Italy. None of whom wanted a carrier based aircraft. Hence why they left to start the Eurofighter collaboration, without everyone else paying for requirements that only France wanted.
>>16274989Both the rocket and the jet in this picture are privately owned and operated.
>>16274985we lost the deal because the eternal anglo (australia) is only loyal to another eternal anglo (the USA).first they wanted nuclear subs, we said okay, then they changed their minds and wanted diesel subs in nuclear subs hulls (lol wut), we said maybe but 'think about it before we do it", then they backstabbed us for the US, now they got nothing and the US told them the subs they promised aren't a priority anymore and they need the subs for their own army, lol.>>16274986>They never left.they almost left because the launch where France succeeded was the "last" launch before Germs were going to quit the project.>without everyone else paying for requirements that only France wanted.sure, but this is why the eurotrash is garbage and anglos are still using A FUCKING RAMP.
>>16274976Elon seems like a nice guy
>>16274917>pointing out someone's wealth is derogatoryLmao. So you think having lots of money is a bad thing? Okay, if you say so>>16274976Get fuckedSure, perhaps being a billionaire means you're inherently a cunt (even if you just inherit billions, you could give a lot of it away). But still, some are better than others.
>>16275010>Lmao. So you think having lots of money is a bad thing? Okay, if you say soIf the first thing you point to when criticizing a man is their wealth, YOU think having lots of money is a bad thing. Work on your reading comprehension.
>>16274989>>16274992I love old f-15s
>>16275019The first one is a Dassault Rafale, the second is an F-86 Sabre.
>>16275001>they almost left because the launch where France succeeded was the "last" launch before Germs were going to quit the project.And do you have a refernce for this.>sure, but this is why the eurotrash is garbage and anglos are still using A FUCKING RAMP.Anglos are now flying F-35's off their new two carriers. Where is CDG? In its natural habitat of course, in dock. Really effective having one carrier that is occasionally at sea, especially when it's older than your prime minister. I'd say it worked out quite well for the UK.
>>16275023CDG is actually more useful than the bong carriers for now because the bongoloids spent so much money on the flat tops they forgot to build all the escort vessels, so they can only sail protected by the USN.
>>16275027Back to >>>/pol/ptg retard
>>16275029back to port, carrierlet
>>16275023>And do you have a refernce for this.Europa II, Europa III and after this France decided to use their L3S because the anglos lowered their funding from 38.79% to 27%, then they put their money on their owned MAROTS maritime satellite, the Germs put their money on the SpaceLab module that was to be carried with the American shuttle, and obviously the USA tried to put an end to the space program, but it failed because France wanted Europe to be independant from the Americans, so the Ariane project was born.and obviously the Ariane project was mostly funded and controlled by France.we put 60% of the budget on the table and promised to pay 120% exceedance of the project.Ariane was designed by the CNES (French) and the industrial power to build it by "l'Aérospatial".now you know why it's the French space program.we believed in it when the others didn't care anymore.
>bong navyAlmost Chyna space program tier.
>>16275027Bullshit again. French navy has 10 destroyers, 5 useful frigates. Royal Navy has 6 destroyers and 9 frigates. It is true that it's easier to protect a carrier that never leaves dock.
Significant course deviation after the apogee raising burn was scheduled.
>>16275023>Where is CDG?if you didn't know, the CDG is being modernised right now, it will go back to sea from time to time and will be ready between 2027 and 2028.and building of the other carrier is starting around 2038 (studies start in 2027) and it will NOT have a FUCKING RAMP with F35 that can be remotely disabled by the US and where you have to pay 10 thousands billions for spare parts (only if you do the USA bidding otherwise you get NOTHING).the propency of the other Europoor countries to sell their independence to the USA is baffling. and they are proud of being bitches, kek.
UH OH
>>16275049APU shut down after course deviation. Mission control is analyzing the data.
>>16275050Impressive, very nice. Let's see France's stealth VTOL.
>>16275049Even the failures are flat and unexciting like everything else about ariane 6.
>>16275051I swear NASA's cubesat directorate is cursed.>LV0010 / TROPICS-1>Artemis 1>now this
>>16275043That's not a reference for Germany threatening to withdraw from Ariane.
>>16275051so the second stage failed like with H3
>>16275059The H3 failure was non-ignition of the second stage. This is a failure later in flight after one of the relights, so it was significantly more successful, if suboptimal.
What's going through his head /sfg/?
>>16275062Oh, they also failed to deploy a few of the payloads, so add that to the list.
>expendable + hydrogendisgusting
>>16275063Burritos.
>>16275051It's not so easy in rocketry!
>>16275057no this is vindication for NASA screwing over Orbcomm during CRS-1get fucked, karma's a bitch
Seems they deliberately made the images with a view of the rocket in-flight low res
Imagine not having independent access to the cosmos
>>16275079fags
>>16275063bix nood
>FUCKING CREDITSwhat the fuck ESA I don't want to sit through your catering for an epic post-credits scene.
>an anomaly has occurred>*credits roll*Lmao beautiful great work Europe
It was spinning a lot before they cut the cameras
btw spacex posted
>>16275050>if you didn't know, the CDG is being modernised right nowIt's always being worked on, that's the problem. And the fact it basically always has to return to France means most of it's "patrols" are of the fucking mediterranean. > building of the other carrier is starting around 2038 Fucking lel. CDG will be a rust bucket. This must be Macron's decision, I hear he likes his women with extra barnacles.>ith F35 that can be remotely disabled by the US and where you have to pay 10 thousands billions for spare partsAs opposed to paying 5-10 billion developing a carrier, so you can build one. And then spending hundreds of billions to develop aircraft, that no serious country wants. France, Egypt, India and Greece. And the next 20 years of French foreign diplomacy is "hello, would you like to buy our airplanes"? Pro-tip, if things get so bad that the US would even want to disable it's allies planes (assuming it is even possible), the world will be so fucked that a few planes aren't going to sort it.
>>16275123>>16275118looks so clean, what changed?
>>16275118https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1810776546183106800
>>16275127Built and welded indoors.
>>16275127No hotstage
>>16275118>>16275121this looks like a circa 2005 windows desktop background
>>16274661zub-zub-zubbity-zoooooo
> To get the resources he needed to meet a particularly infeasible pace, Moline recalls a manager telling him he should act more like a selfish child. Given that kind of guidance from superiors, it’s easier to understand how some employees ended up using their work email to coordinate rounds of “nug and chug,” a drinking game that required them to scarf down large helpings of chicken nuggets. But that didn’t make it any less scary, Holland-Thielen says, when colleagues chuckled about drinking heavily and then heading back to the office to oversee a launch.based
>>16275139>Karen doesn't like it when people act outside the veneer of professional expectationsShock.
>>16274661As based as they getNSWR supremacy. If we have to we'll build it deep in the belt.
>>16274893>a foreign billionaire who holds contempt for us
Please standby
>>16274893Like spoiled milk kek
Press conference live right now
>>16275145UNE ANOMALIE
>>16275128
>>16274942>if they ever want to build nuclear power plants again they will be forced to buy French lol.Will they ship the new nuclear power plants via Belgium?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfNPzSOalEUCope conference
>>16275139Certainly a comfy lifestyle.Look I do not make fun of boomers and euros for being happy with big-paying jobs w/ minimal work. I’m envious/jealous of this.It’s the fact that they act so surprised when they get leapfrogged by better widgets (in this case rockets/rides to orbit) that are cheaper and more powerful.
>Europe is b-ACK>There was no issue with the flight chronology>We need to congratulate this success My countrymen are embarrassing me with this coping >Ariane 6 upper stage dumping prop over Hungary
>>16275155I don't even know where this euro garbage mindset comes from.I grew up here and I don't have it yet I see it in so many people around me.
Traniane bros how do we recover from this humiliation?
>>16275166This was the expected outcome (for me). Europe is a non-entity in space.
French accent english is actually insane
>>16275162Did they extract the clip yet?
>>16275152>Do I have to speak english?lol
>>16275174It's cool and cute
>>16274710coiffe
>>16275178all you need to understand is "le cope" because that's all they will be saying
Why is everyone acting as if Ariane 6 is the first time Europe (France) has had access to space?
https://x.com/RichardDawkins/status/1810780972620861842https://www.independent.co.uk/space/starship-launch-date-catch-rocket-spacex-b2563787.html
>how long will the analysis of the data take?>panel chuckles
>>16275198lmao
>>16275185only when spoken by women from Quebec
>>16275193The last Vega launch was nine months ago and the last Ariane 5 launch was over a year ago. These days people act like it's a big deal when we go four or five days without a launch. Launches from Kourou feel like something that happened in a prior decade.
Meanwhile, in Indiahttps://x.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1810658102213247321>ISRO successfully completed the second short duration (2.5 sec) ignition test of the SCE-200 Pre-Burner Ignition Test Article (PITA) on May 21.
>>16275211imagine the smell
https://x.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1810811957374853236>So. They all downplayed the second stage anomaly as if it didn't happen. Excited Europe is back in space. Next Ariane 6 launch in December. One Vega and one Vega-C before that.
put it on the list of gigabux government rocket projects that will launch twice a year
>two launches this year>six launches next yearthis is the power of french productivity
>>16275211saaaarrrrrrrrrr
>>16275203
>>16274448>>16274133https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/09/gravitics-lands-125-million-order-from-axiom.html>The space station modules Gravitics is designing range from 3 meters (9 feet) to 8 meters (26 feet) in diameter. The largest module, which the company boasts will have the “largest interior volume in a standalone spacecraft,” is dubbed StarMax, a name inspired by SpaceX’s towering Starship rocket.>The Axiom deal is a catalyst for Gravitics’ growth, Doughan said, as the company plans to double its head count in the coming months and kick off a new round of fundraising.just started reading this, its going to be some kind of frankestein monster station I guessmodules that are F9 class from Axiom themselves and then adding on Starship-class modules from Gravitics
>>16275222>"I just really wanted to not get harassed at work."Bullshit. These people live for being oppressed. If no one is willing to do it they'll manufacture a delusion where it's happening anyway
So was the launch a success and injection a failure? Was it carrying any real payload or just a boilerplate?
>>16275222Absolutely SEETHING lmao
>>16275229the re-light failed in some way, but in the press conference they said the previous sections of the flight means the system should be able to do missions like Ariane 5 did (including the one that was moved from Ariane 6 to SpaceX recently)so it depends what kind of injection you are going for I guess
>>16275222>Let's fix Earth so we don't have to go to MarsSo you're not welcome at SpaceX. You don't support the mission, you in fact oppose it.>I'm so mad that it's actually workingMany such cases!
>>16275229Partial success/failure. The initial launch went fine, but the second stage wasn't able to perform all the maneuvers needed to deploy all the payloads and is probably going to have an uncontrolled reentry. It was carrying a few sets of cubesats, a pair of reentry test capsules, and some attached instrument packages.
>>16275234If they don't support making life multiplanetary they need to get the fuck out of the space industry in every regard.
>>16275236So deploy all the payloads you fucking retarded europeans.Doesn't matter if it's a slightly wrong orbit the customers are happier than being stuck to the rocket. You absolute monkeys.
>>16275236I thought most payloads got deployed and just the 2 reentry capsules are stuck.
>>16275128https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1810808931486421311
>NASA: they are not trapped in space>ESA: it wasn't a failure
>>16275248>SpaceX: nothing blew up after landing
>>16275222checked
>>16275243There's no really much point to a reentry capsule without having a deorbit burn, but it is going to make the eventual uncontrolled reentry a lot more interesting
>>16275243>esa>re-entrysars please understand, space is hard, can not reuse, must keep peoples employed
>>16275222>nooo, why does NASA still work with them>..acktually, we do kinda need to book falcon rides tootopkek
>>16275222These kind of people need to die
>>16275237It's not even a company with plans to do anything about saving the earth they just make weather satellites for Space Force.
>>16275150Reminder that NASA/SLS needs a $1B transporter and Alabama river rock road
>>16275280so? it’s free to NASA and it’s a fraction of a penny to you
>>16275279If the person wants to keep us trapped on Earth, they have no business being involved with the space industry.
>>16275279don't you get their masterplan?>build climate research sats>???>earth saved>mars colony obsolete
>>16275280The thing they roll out is like 7000 tons.This is 200 tons of rocket and maybe another 100 for the stand.
>>16275174It's not an accent, we just refuse to say the words the English took from us with their bastardized pronunciation
>>16275297perma-tantrum lmao
>>16275150what are those strakes along the sides? I don't remember those before.
>>16275301For glide ratio and covering COPVs and the huge ass CO2 bottles for purging the skirt. And they have Starlinks on top of them.
>>16275294Mars isn't a hedge against global warming, it's a hedge against super-volcanoes, meteors, and dumbfuck politicians.
>>16275296The weight of SLS' two SRBs together is approximately 1452 metric tons.
>>16275316Plus the very large steel tower and the launch mount.
>>16275317Quite a bit more than that, apparently: roughly 7598 metric tons just for the mobile launch platform and tower. https://www.rsandh.com/projects/mobile-launcher-1-modifications-for-artemis-ii/
Has Ariane 6 burnt up yet?
>>16275164Its the result of "social democracy". Too many gibs, too easy lifestyle breeds complacency.Of course its unsustainable, everyone stops putting in effort and shit ends up falling apart.
>>16275222Entire article and lawsuit and interview is just cope after seething cope holy fuck
>>16275304neat, Super Heavy is still evolving. One of the advantages of a hardware-rich development cycle.
why does the space community give a platform to that far left anti-spacex journalist lauren gush? why isnt she being silenced and pushed out for being a threat to humanity?
>>16275367Because only mass media has the power to "deplatform" people, and the mass media /is/ far left.
>>16275229All orbital payloads were succesfuly deployed after a first restart, S2 shat itself after deployment and couldn’t do the second restart for the deorbit, and therefore couldn’t deploy the suborbital payloads Next launch is supposedly unaffected by this partial failure since they don’t need restarts.
>>16275241Remaining payloads were suborbital reentry capsules, they’re useless in that stable orbit.However there are a few instruments stuck on the S2 that will probably work for longer kek
>>16275176Yuphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDMtkYj1jOc
https://x.com/ArianeGroup/status/1001129689497337858>Today, we are going to meet Fabien who oversees and coordinates the development and qualification of the Ariane 6 APU system! But what is an APU? Here is the answerIn case you wanted to know who to blame, here's Fabian
>>16275398ONE JOB FABIEN
>>16275274typical woman thinking in actionShe goes and gets some fake cushy government funded "start up" where they respect her pronouns and facial piercings....then claims vague abuses in the past
>>16275323sounds like some ass backwards designing that could have been avoided if they just didn't use solid boosters
>>16275398
>>16275443The goal of Artemis was to continue spending a sum equal to the Shuttle program's yearly budget on Shuttle program subcontractors. Not using SRBs was never an option.
>>16275351Anon the strakes have been there since the first flight. Super Heavy is still evolving but the existence of the strakes is not a sign of that.
>Ariane 6 lifted off when the France – Spain match started>The moment the final whistle was blown with France eliminated, it started veering off courseBRAVO STÉPHANE, absolute kino
>>16275497starship blew up 100 times and every falcon 9 ever made blew up
>>16275497Yeah that was something, insane coincidences, I think the 9 min 1st France goal was scored just at 2nd stage separation too
>>16275222>holland-thielan can't believe she's not the main character
>>16274773I thought it failed because the founder eats lead paint chips
>>16274835anon, if you want logistics the only ones who can help you are the Americans
>>16275528No, Chris likes uppers, not leaded paint.
>>16275530It's true. There are entire developed countries with weaker logistical systems than individual US states or companies.
>>16275547example the federal government of the united states
Ok no but seriously why has spacex not picked up the plasma magnet sails guy. Is this really never going to get tested.
>>16275566SpaceX isn't interested in wasting time or money with schitzotech
>>16275568It's not schizotech though, everything looks good on paper and has been validated in the lab.
>>16275566Their architecture doesn't depend on it. The bigger question is when Helios kickstages on Starship get cheap enough for someone else to fund a mission.
>>16275569If it's that good then why isn't anyone interested in it?
https://x.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1810890962450928059>Successful ignition system tests completed today as the team marches towards hot fires.Well, it's something. Nice album cover of a prefire test
ARGON DEPOTS
I think my Dragon V2 fantasy might finally become reality
>>16275579>"Please buy my stocks! I'm begging you!"
>>16274661The paper was done by undergrads. It's decent analysis, but the phase change model is a bit suspicious. To simplify analysis, they removed a neutron reflector, even though basic analysis shows it matters. NSWRs aren't over yet. There's also the super secret fissile ramjet approach. You suspend fissiles in a gas and compress them using shockwaves so they go critical, sort of like a ramjet.
>>16275196And what is that law?
So did the Ariane-6 fail or not? Since the APU isn't behaving as predicted it seems unwise to do a second launch with a real payload so soon.
>>16275222>"...but I'm so mad that it's actually working."
>>16275657didn't blow up. didn't reach the target orbit. that's all there really is to it. easier to fix the latter than former probably so that's good for them.
i desperately wish i could absorb zubrin's sweat into my skin. i want to inhale his pheromones. his aroma is intoxicating. i dream of him feeling my body with rubbery hands. run my fingers through his arm hair. if i ever meet him this will happen
>>16275705>how to give him Orgasm with your fingers
>>16275723Elon needs to make follows private next
>>16275150holy fuck that factory is god damn big
>>16275657Next launch won't require a relight and APU relight so they have the go ahead.Wll probably still be delayed tho.
>>16275222>I'm so mad it's actually working.God I hope more seethe this good comes out of the trial.
>>16275657> fails restart> can't complete payload deployment> can't deorbit. stranded in space.It didn't blow up. Give it that.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1810901185181929564
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1810897904942600383I guess its this articlehttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/07/us/politics/spacex-boca-chica-takeaways.html>SpaceX’s Assault on a Fragile Habitat: Four Takeaways From Our Investigation>The development of Elon Musk’s facility in South Texas did not play out as local officials were originally told it would.
>>16275816>More concerning, the planned launch site was next door to one of the most important migratory bird habitats in North America. And the nearby Boca Chica beach serves as a breeding ground for Kemp’s ridleys, the world’s most endangered species of sea turtle.oh no not the birds and turtles
>>16275808It did all the basic rocket shit fine, it got into space and got the normal payloads into orbit. It just failed the more advanced stuff, plus it'll burn up eventually I assume so it's not really stranded.
>>16275817so many misrepresentations here, either by ignorance or malice (who knows)>The industrial growth has caused so much congestion along the tiny two-lane road into Boca Chica that some of the now 3,400 SpaceX employees and contract employees get to work by hovercraft.the hovercraft is for convenience, not congestion>SpaceX also began testing Starship, a rocket that dwarfs the largest version of the Falcon and weighs nearly four times as much.explicitly don't mention its the largest and most powerful rocket ever, kind of funny they have to tread the line heresaying its big and causes destruction, but can't say its the biggest ever because that could be seen as positive>In April 2023, SpaceX executed its first full-scale test launch of a Starship. But the rocket malfunctioned, and a self-destruct mechanism eventually caused it to explode. Steel sheets, concrete chunks and shrapnel were hurled thousands of feet into the air, then slammed into the bird habitat as well as onto the nearby state park and beach. One concrete piece was found 2,680 feet from the launch site — far outside the zone where the F.A.A. had thought damage could occur.implying the rocket exploded and caused this debris, and not the launchpad itself exploding (which might sound very cool)
>>16275817>oh no not the birds and turtlesfuck the beetles though
>>16275821in today's age ignorance is way more likely, people just like to think it's malice so they can defend "their guy"
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/07/well-houston-just-rode-out-hurricane-beryl-and-let-me-tell-you-it-blew/>I've covered SpaceX for a decade and a half now, and it's almost always been 'rockets this and spacecraft that.' But at the end of the day, Starlink has made the most dramatic impact on my life at this moment. It's also pretty weird to use something that I've written about in the abstract.Eric Berger tells about his Beryl experience and buying a starlink dish
https://spacenews.com/house-introduces-nasa-reauthorization-act/>The bill would formally authorize $25.225 billion in funding for NASA in fiscal year 2025, a figure between the administration’s request of $25.384 billion and the $25.179 billion included in a bill approved by the House Appropriations Committee July 9. The key purpose of the bill, though, is to address a wide range of NASA programs and policies.
>>16275831>A report from NASA on the studies it has done in the last five years on reboosting or servicing the Hubble Space Telescope; andI wonder if this is going to be public? Jared Isaacman has talked about the study being done but couldn't (or didn't want to) talk about the specifics too much
>>16275832>assessment of non-NASA demand for the SLShow much are they paying for that? they can just pay me instead, I already know
https://spacenews.com/japanese-venture-seeks-to-develop-commercial-space-station-module/>TOKYO — A Japanese conglomerate has established a new subsidiary seeking to develop a module that could be installed on future commercial space stations.>The new venture, called Japan LEO Shachu, Inc., is a wholly owned subsidiary of Mitsui & Co. that was formally established on July 1, its chief executive, Yudai Yamamoto, said in a July 9 presentation at the Spacetide conference here. >Mitsui also invested in commercial space station developer Axiom Space in 2021.
>>16275840>The concept that Japan LEO Shachu is pursuing is the “Japan Module,” a module based on technologies developed for the HTV and new HTV-X cargo spacecraft. The module would include a pressurized area for research, manufacturing and other applications, as well as an external platform for additional payloads. The module will also have its own system for high-bandwidth communications. pic is fromhttps://humans-in-space.jaxa.jp/en/htv-x/
Just had a thought, once the mars colony gets making fuel, how long before they try a landing on phobos and/or deimos?A fully fueled starship on the ground just barely has the deltav to do a phobos landing in one go, deimos would require an orbital refueling but if you do that you can do both phobos and deimos in the same mission.
>>16275875I've been thinking about this sort of thing lately. If there's an actual city building effort on Mars, will any resources be spared for exploration missions? Once Mars is fully industrialized in a century or so, pretty much all exploration missions will be way easier. I wonder how the priorities will shake out
>>16275883It really depends on how much fuel they have lying around. The colony would need enough supplies on hand to send starships back to earth anyways and compared to the return trip to earth a phobos and deimos mission is trivial, the only issue is the fueled needed to do it which is pretty close to the deltav needed to do earth return in one go, which also requires 1 orbital refueling.
>>16275875There really isn't any incentive to go to the moons of Mars other than to say you've been there. They're just cold shitty rocks.
>>16275894>why do white people climb mountains
>>16275894>to say you've been thereYou speak as if this isn't the most valid of reasons to go.
>>16275909>You speak as ifThis is an imageboard, m'lady.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGgbooster static fire today?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV9XSf6JHPo>SpaceX Starbase Texas 4K Starship 30 New Heatshield Tile Installation Progress 7/9/24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv0pQAibsPA>SpaceX Starbase Texas 4K Launch Tower 2 Construction Progress and Launch Complex Views 7/9/24
>>16275816https://archive.is/mrQO6NIGGER
>>16275883With cyclers all things are possible
>>16275950>An investigation by The New York Times showsWhy do newspapers talk about themselves in the 3rd person?
>>16275953I don't see the connection
>>16275924>he can't hear other anon's voices when reading their textRotate an apple internally
>>16275933Yes. Next thread should be a SF edition. FINALLY SOME HAPPENINGS
>>16275222>and having no accountability is kind of Eon's thingwhat the fuck? he's probably the most accountable billionaire CEO out there (low bar, but still)these people live in their own reality with made up boogeymen
modi seems real cosy with putin. can we expect a space deal out of their meetings?
https://x.com/culpable_mink/status/1811029623754387483
>>16275492don't know how I missed the chines before. First noticed a while ago:https://youtu.be/G4ebfRG16nM?t=653
>>16276013https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chine_(aeronautics)lel stealth boosters, the beetles won't know what hit them
>>16276010if there was any chance of that india wouldn't have signed up for the artemis accords
What happened to A6? Was it success or not
>>16276023partial success
>>16276023Partial success. Boosters and first stage worked. Second stage failed to relight after first burn.
>>16276023Failure, but at least we got nice photos.
kneel
>>16276030Is this real?
>>16276035a6 booster just landed in my garden
>>16275398>Added complexity to a hydrogen boondoggleDoomed to fail from the start.
>>16276023Partial success. It's capable of handling Ariane 5-style missions that don't need complex maneuvers later in flight. It'll be able to launch the next payload in the queue without needing any fixes.
>>16276025I thought it reignited fine for the circularization burn before cubesat deployment. It was the third burn that failed.Really, is anyone surprised that the major new tech on this flight failed? (an APU)
>>16276038It needed that if it was going to be able to cover the missions that the Soyuz-ST/fregat used to carry. Being able to perform direct injection GEO missions would have let it compete for some missions that used to default to flying on the Proton too. Most of these points haven't been valid in a decade.
hello as you all know Australia is a pretty dry place and part of the reason is that it lacks tall mountains which would cause the water vapor to condense and fall down as rainfall. I'm doing a geoengineering feasibility study on essentially putting a kilometer tall pile of rocks and rubble on an existing Australian mountain to make it taller which would then catch more rain. Do you think this is feasible. My current cost estimate for this project is a couple of billion.
>Officially three month until the launch one of the most important science mission of human.
>>16276052I am very excited about Europa but even more excited about an even more important future mission(Dragonfly). I am looking forward to getting higher resolution images of the several hundred meter tall sheer ice cliffs of Europa as well as learning more about the geologic features and mechanisms of Europa and the depth of the ice crust and under-ice ocean.
>>16275828Houston got rocked hard. Our grid infrastructure is ass, and it keeps happening every time we get a rough storm. A cat 3 or 4 (not to mention a category 5 ugh) would decimate the city, and leave a majority or the city without power or internet for probably three to four weeks (!!)$120/mo is a steep asking price for internet but I might just bite the bullet and commit. Starlink and a generac and you’re golden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx5HaFMcUco>Booster 12 Placed on the Orbital Launch Mount for Testing | SpaceX Boca Chica
>>16276066
>>16276064I don't think you need to be subscribed perpetually, just buy a mini for backup and then activate it if you need tothough I don't think they are selling minis widely yet
>>16276049It would probably be cheaper and easier to dig swales spanning the continent and wait a century also not space flight
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811048829925703773>hat
>>16276049>>16276052>THIS is the ChatGPT that's supposed to take over blueprinting, design and calculation tasksAwful. I'm glad that humans will be in charge of any Mars missions in the future.
>>16276073Some people are just retarded or illiterate. You need to rework your internal bot filter
>>16276070just flood the interior of australia with channels and make a inner sea
>>16276074We could enlarge this lakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Eyreit's already below sea level.
>>16276077Project Plowshare can accomplish this
https://x.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1811002448099823731>ISRO has proposed an uncrewed cargo resupply mission using Gaganyaan to the International Space Station, to its partner nations! It'll take place on LVM3-G4, i.e. the 4th uncrewed Gaganyaan flight following the 3 uncrewed testflights & the first crewed mission.
>>16275808Surrenderchads, I kneel
https://www.virgingalactic.com/news/virgin-galactic-completes-new-spaceship-manufacturing-facility-in-arizona>Virgin Galactic Holdings, Inc. today announced the completion of its new manufacturing facility in Phoenix, Arizona, where final assembly of its next-generation Delta spaceships is scheduled to take place starting in Q1 2025. >An initial team of Virgin Galactic technical operations and manufacturing personnel has begun preparing the facility to receive and install tooling, expected to arrive in Q4 2024. The facility will then begin to receive major subassemblies, including the wing, the fuselage, and the feathering system next year, as the team scales to build the first two ships of the Delta fleet. Once ground testing in Phoenix is complete, Virgin Galactic’s mothership will ferry completed spaceships to Spaceport America, New Mexico for flight test ahead of commercial operations, which are expected to begin in 2026. The future of spaceflight circa 2004, arriving in 2026
>>16276085extreme kino
>>16275808It will deorbit, one day.
>>16276095It's in a 550 km orbit. That shit is going to be up there for fifty years.
flappy flappy
>>16276102wtf is this real
>>16276102hemispherical gyroscope on the run
>>16276102Is... is any one else kinda turned on by this?
>>16276102Good thing they’re going to recover and refly that to save time and money.oh wait
>>16276103Fairings aren't always the sturdiest with forces they aren't meeting nose first. Here's some onboard footage from a Progress launch back in 2022.
>>16276109If they're only planning on a max of nine launches per year expendable fairings might be the cheaper option. Designing splashdown capable fairings isn't cheap and you'd still need to invest in the boat to recover them afterwards.
>>16276088is this the result of the modi-putin meeting? the indian cargo ship will dock at the russian segment of the iss?
>>16276111Everyone knows the hardest part of developing a rocket is acquiring the sort of boat/net combo that's accessible by even the poorest southeast asians
Payload failure = mission failureUpper stage failedThats all there is to it.
>>16276110kino
>>16276117what if there is no payload?
>>16276120Upper stage failure.Partial success/failureWhatever you wanna call it
how do we cope about the string of recent Ariane rocket failures
>>16276131by being American
>>16276117It wasn't a mission to deliver payloads however, so the status of the payload is meaningless, it was a mission to qualify the launcher, at that the two first phase (launch to orbit, and restart+separation were perfect and the third one (in orbit capability demonstration + deorbt burn) largely failed, BUT it qualified the launcher for operations,therefore it's arguably a partial success.
>>16276114There's a lot of open questions around this. Gaganyaan doesn't have an official docking system yet. The one that's sketched in for the Bharatiya Antariksha Station looks like it's copying the western IDSS instead of the Russian SSVP system, but if Gaganyaan does use a Russia-comparable design it'd be able to dodge the congestion on the western side of the station.
Anyone following the Boing teleconference for Starliner?
https://www.youtube.com/live/PAIZHhrGqBM>Thruster temps not were the team were targeting>Hoping to send the He leak on a flange to the Star liner management team>Looking into swelling due to Hypergol exposure>Starliner still good for emergency
>>16276116southeast asians don't take their boats out into the middle of the north atlantic ocean, don't need to comply with the Jones act, and don't need to pay their sailors a living wage in a first world countryI guess France only has to worry about one of those things, though
>>16276152>Starliner still good for emergencyLMAO. So they're literally gonna have to go on a Dragon since there's no emergency
Would you sacrifice the lives of some astronauts to fuck over Boeing?
>>16276163Obviously not since they're fucking themselves over without any intervention
>>16276163Boeing would
>>16276163I don’t really want butch and sunni to die for boeing, but more than that I don’t want the hit the entire rest of human spaceflight would take if astronauts die.
qrd on the Boing capsule? Is it still docked to the ISS and if yes will it reenter with humans inside?
>>16276163If Boeing fucks up and kills Butch and Suni then the Starliner program is finished. If Boeing fucks up and kills the crew of Artemis II SLS dies as well. Some paths have better outcomes than others.
>>16276183Orion and SLS are bad even if they are instrumental for the moon landing.
>tich says they have "dusted off" some of the potential contingency concepts to use Crew Dragon as a backup, as they did when looking at how to bring NASA astronaut Frank Rubio home. However, the prime plan is still to return Butch and Suni on Starliner, which was declared
>>16276150https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1811077039719600266>Stich opens his remarks noting that a number of members of the Johnson Space Center workforce in Houston were impacted by Hurricane Beryl and are without power. JSC is functioning though. He said the storm has impacted the ability of some to work, but says they are still making progress.>Stich says the hot fire testing at the White Sands Test Facility in New Mexico is underway. He said they put the thruster in the chamber on July 3 and did an acceptance test with that thruster. He said it has been put through all the uphill phases of the flight (part of the mission from spacecraft separation through rendezvous and docking) and are looking at the data before moving to the downhill portion (return from ISS to Earth).>Stich says they hope to bring the helium leak up to the Starliner mission management team for resolution later this week. He says teams have been working to understand the issue at MFS in Huntsville, AL. He said they are also looking at Service Module 2, which was used for the first set of attempts for Orbital Flight Test 2.>Nappi says the chief engineers on both the NASA and Boeing side are engaged and engineering teams are meeting daily to work on these issues (thrusters and helium leaks). He says they are doing some inspection work on the service module that will be used on the Starliner-1>NASA's Steve Siceloff confirms that there will be another press briefing with the crew on orbit before they undock. Details on that are in work.>Stich says they are still targeting launch of the Crew-9 mission in mid-August and want to have a crew handover with Crew-8 before they depart. They think that an undocking by the end of July is possible, but they will "just follow the data each step at a time.">Stich says the batteries are the current limiting item. They were approved for a 45-day limit and that is being assessed. The CFT mission is on day 35 today.
>>16276189>Nappi clarifies that the work being done at White Sands is not acceptance testing, rather it's trying to replicate what the "worst case thruster saw in flight." Stich says they trying to replicate the pulses that the on-orbit thrusters saw.>Stich says there's an injector temperature measurement, which is what they are trying to replicate. It was measured during the docking day from the five thrusters that presented some issue.>Nappi said the service module that will fly on Starliner-1 is put together and the doghouses are installed on the SM. He said they are doing a series of leak checks to see if it may be susceptible to a leak, like the ones seen on the SM being used for the CFT mission. He says based on the testing and determination of root cause, they may need to take the doghouses off and replace some seals that may be undersized.>Stich says the data from the flight shows that with the exception of the one thruster that didn't recover during the CFT docking, those thrusters are operating "just fine." "The prime option today is to return Butch and Suni on Starliner." Nappi says the plan is to bring the crew home on Starliner and "we see no reason why that should be changed.">Stich says all 12 OMAC thrusters are working just fine, saying that they will provide the delta V for the deorbit maneuver. They are more critically important than the reaction control system (RCS) thrusters, which are being studied at White Sands.>Nappi says, if the crew needed to return now in an emergency scenario, they would "just perform a nominal undocking," adding that "we don't believe that we have damaged thrusters." He says "we do have a lot of confidence in the thrusters as they are today." Stich says even if they lose many of the same thrusters as they did during rendezvous and docking, the simulation data shows that they could still hit their target landing site.
>>16276186I wouldn't mind them spending a shuttle program budget on shuttle contractors if we could get a shuttle program flight rate at the end of it. STS managed six flights per year between Challenger and Columbia, and did about three/year after that. If we could get four launches per year for about a billion dollars each we'd have enough for crew rotations for a continuously crewed lunar outpost and still have a rocket or two left over for something like an outer planets probe or interstellar object interceptor.
"Beck doesn't tell the media about RL's advancements. Maybe he should, it will help the stock price">Starts sharing news>Stock starts slowly going up>>16275608>"Please buy my stocks! I'm begging you!">3 cocks fall out of assThere's no making you trannies happy, is there?
>>16276186>instrumental for the moon landing>instrumental No other rocket in existence or imagined could possibly do what SLS is capable of
Would you ride on starship FT5, if given the chance?
>>16276200You are glorifying the rocket.
>>16276204No, because I'm not confident that it will explode.
>>16276200
>>16276208Wasn't this dearmoon's original plan?
>>16275063>thx god for diversity hires
>>16276210No thats cucking in space
>MSM: ariana 6 succes>sfg: it's fucked!!So what is it?
>>16276217Not great, not terrible.
>>16276210green diahrea all over big window >:)
>>16275196https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811087947711795269
>>16276218So starship levels of fucked up?
>>16276210Originally. It wouldn't take all that much modification to rework that into a NRHO mission.
>>16276223*starliner
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811074373585182950https://archive.is/llb4W>Our national security depends upon SpaceX launches at Vandenberg Space Force Base | Guest Commentary
>>16276221I've read some of his books.
>>16276191>Stich says they have "dusted off" some of the potential contingency concepts to use Crew Dragon as a backup, as they did when looking at how to bring NASA astronaut Frank Rubio home. However, the prime plan is still to return Butch and Suni on Starliner, which was declared safe to be used as an emergency return vehicle.>Stich says they could entertain the option of undocking the Crew Dragon being used for the SpaceX Crew-8 mission to make room for the Crew-9 astronauts, if more time is needed with Starliner docked at the ISS. He says they started looking at that, but haven't done an extensive assessment on that. He says NASA's preference is still for a direct handover on the ISS between Crew-8 and Crew-9.>Stich says there have been no discussions with SpaceX regarding sending another Crew Dragon to bring the Starliner CFT astronauts back to Earth.>That will conclude today's briefing.
https://x.com/neuralink/status/1811095113281720722Neuralink update live
>>16276208Yeah I was being sarcastic lol. How much modification would crew dragon and falcon heavy really need for this to be possible? I'm guessing it would be cheaper than one SLS launch
>>16276233
>>16276230>Stich says they have "dusted off" some of the potential contingency concepts to use Crew Dragon as a backupYup, it's over
>>16276226>yeah
>>16276234>launch dragon into LEO on a regular RTLS flight>launch 1 (one) international docking adapter on an expendable falcon heavy, leave it attached to the upper stage>dock>gono RnD required and have roughly 3.6 billion dollars left over afterwards
>>16276233>>16276236spaceflight?
>>16276236implying they're doing this for disabled people or whatever
>>16276239yeah but my congressional district gets no money from that
Space Eggs :DDDD
>>16276242Is felon husk really making excuses for the fact that he's experimenting on disabled people?
>>16276243your congressional district gets to build the international docking adapter for a $3.6billion cost plus contract and everyone goes home happy
>>16276242Yes>>16276241Useful for manipulating humanoid robots on mars
>>16276236lol
>>16276189>>16276191>>16276230Cheers
>>16276239Dragon is not built to survive coming back from the moon.
>>16276255So what? They can modify it.
>>16276255neither is Orion apparently, didn't hold SLS back
>>16276234You'd need some kind of service module equivilant. That might involve designing something to replace the trunk or it might just mean using the delta-v package that they were implied to be working on for the ISS deorbit contract. You'd need deep space communications and maybe some modifications for a different thermal environment that the one Dragon gets in LEO, but a lot of the subsystems that would need upgrading would be similar to gear that's going to be carried by Dragon XL, so there's commonality there too. A beefier heat shield would need to be developed and tested, although I heard somewhere that they slimmed down the TPS they used on the first Dragon 2 missions because the original was thicker than it needed to be. A fully expendable Falcon Heavy could probably handle the mission, but it might be simpler to just give FH more performance by stretching the second stage a bit. That'd require re-certifying the design, but a lot of that would be covered in the crew rating paperwork that you're going to do anyway. Then you'd need to build another crew access arm that lines up with the capsule's new height. Modifying existing infrastructure quickly has never been a problem for SpaceX. There's a fairly long checklist of things that'd need to be done, but a lot of them are either fairly simple or are covered by things SpaceX is already contracted to do for something else. If they wanted to SpaceX could probably roll out Lunar Dragon inside of 48 months without needing any additional funding from NASA or Washington.
>>16275960So when the other dozen news papers copy their homework they don't have to change the text to attribute the original study. They can just copy paste and shuffle some words around, really stick to their normal work flow.
>>16276241You have to be an Elon cultist to post here
>>16276208that a sexy lookin' ship
>>16276134Spring boarding off this, does "partial success" or "partial failure" read as more negative? I can see it either way. The gut reaction is partial failure, as it has failure in the phrase, however I think it comes down to how you interpret partial. If you view it as small i.e. less than 50 percent then "partial failure" would be better, as it would mean only a small part of the overall mission failed, a "partial success" would mean only a small amount of the mission was successful.However if you read partial as greater than 50 percent, then "partial failure" would be more negative. It could then be read like "mostly failed"Interested to think about.
>>16276298holy fucking cute, where do you get these?
>>16276298uh, janny's gonna flip
>>16276298faster, like she's got a stuck thruster
>>16276298Post the starlink one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGgmight lift the first part soon
>>16275831>>16275832https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/07/congress-apparently-feels-a-need-for-reaffirmation-of-sls-rocket/>There is a fair bit to unpack here, but the inclusion of this section—there is no "reaffirmation" of the Orion spacecraft, for example—suggests that either the legacy space companies building the SLS rocket, local legislators, or both feel the need to protect the SLS rocket. As one source on Capitol Hill familiar with the legislation told Ars, "It's a sign that somebody's afraid."
>>16276314Yeah sure congress, let me just go find someone willing to front the $3 billion launch cost for a single mission. The free market will love this!
>>16276299I think the term that's used sets the tone more than the modifier. https://x.com/planet4589/status/1810808086770102374>Ariane 6 upper stage was passivated after the second burn, and remains in orbit with the two reentry capsules still attached. I am counting this as 'secondary payload unusable orbit' per https://planet4589.org/space/gcat/web/intro/success.html and scoring the success value as 0.85.Jonathan McDowell's got an interesting system for applying values to these sorts of things. Saying that Ariane 6 was "85% successful" feels a bit autistic but it doesn't feel incorrect. It launched, it didn't blow up, it met most but not all of its mission objectives, and as a result it was cleared to launch a lot of the missions it's going to be asked to do in the future. I think most people would call that "partial success" instead of a "partial failure."
>>16276314i'd love to know if they have any '"cost and schedule savings for reduced transit times" for deep space missions' in mind or if some aide got told that by some boeing lobbyist once years ago and they're brainlessly repeating it now, with no clue how idiotic it makes them look
>>16276314>"It's a sign that somebody's afraid."Good
>>16276264so they could do it but would they really learn anything? seems like a waste of engineering resources
>>16276317thats is good and in general people need to start looking at these as experiments and not a binary event (success/fail)companies need to adopt Musks hardware rich approach to speed up technological development in general and the general public needs to understand this too
>>16276302>>16276311>>16276304Guys i saved that gif from a few threads ago idk where its from
>>16276311uoh
>>16276311which one
GOP platform's bit on space:>Expanding Freedom, Prosperity and Safety in Space Under Republican Leadership, the United States will create a robust Manufacturing Industry in Near Earth Orbit, send American Astronauts back to the Moon, and onward to Mars, and enhance partnerships with the rapidly expanding Commercial Space sector to revolutionize our ability to access, live in, and develop assets in Space.the line about sending astronauts to the moon and mars is nothing new and will be in the dem platform too. gop platforms have mentioned commercial space in the past but never in terms of habitation. i'm not sure what the manufacturing bit is referring to and it seems strange to lead with that of all things.
>>16276347>over 5000 of these in orbit currently
>>16276355it's just getting out of the way of people like Varda, the Dems were screwing with them
>>16276298paizuri from starship chan!
>>16276355Space is hot right now and people are being sold the idea of something besides cameras and communication being profitable. Maybe someone caught wind of some startup with an ultimately retarded premise but thought industry=good, who knows
>>16276102>Bag Raiders-Shooting Stars.mp3
why did they write an entire essay?https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1811120996914757818
>>16276367I love how instantly you can tell this was written by a woman
>>16276359since varda is thiel-backed that'd check out
>>16276368>>16276367it's so s[math]o[/math]y my first thought was that it must have been written by grok
>>16276367
>>16276347>>16276357they can tell what you're fapping to
total journalist credibility death
>>16276233Second patient next week
>>16276367It turns out that outside of places like 4chan "lol fag" is not a sufficient rebuttle.
Why is Elon so cringe?
>>16276367Musk cares so little that he will probably fire the person who wrote this.
>>16276336That bellybutton is genius
>>16276412Cant be innovative without cringe. You have to break the mold
>>16276412Anon he has Aspergers
>>16276412born that way
>>16276332If SLS or Orion fell apart it'd be an effective way to handle crew transport for Artemis until later options start to come online.
>>16276367SpaceX isn’t working towards TPD? Has /sfg/ been lying to me?
>>16276434/sfg/ only talked about TBD
Elon’s out here tweeting from the official SpaceX account kek he hasn’t done that since like circa 2017
>>16276347she's the internet in space!
>>16276412He started liking the smell of his own farts too much, he thinks he is meme god now.
>>16276241Go discuss non-Elon spaceflight in your own thread (there is nothing to discuss)
>>16276410>not a sufficient rebuttleBut it is the rebuttal they fucking deserve for this bullshit.
>>16276367yeah, why did the new york times write an entire essay?
>>16276368kek, that was literally my first thought
>>16276367Guys I don't know what's going on. I searched for starship + piping plover porn and I can't find any. This can't be happening
>>16276367>>16276375Can none of you do a proper screenshot
Gey
>>16275394
>>16276495Not true! An outdated rocket just fucked up! An outdated spacecraft is stranded! Another outdated rocket is being investigated by the government for being too expensive! There's a lot to talk about without Elon
>>16276298Whats super heavy chan look like?
Now here’s the kicker:
WE
>>16276545HAVE
what is the wet bulb temperature of the Raptor exhaust.
>>16276551no has ever measured it because it breaks the wet bulb
>>16276548THE MEAT
>>16275394>>16275162that looks fine to me?>>16276538there's a couple and they're all ugly
I take it back this one is okay
>>16276574Wow those are some saggy boobs
>>16276587yeah people keep oversexualizing Super Heavy instead of just making her toob
>>16276590The entire point of tans is to sexualize inanimate objects.Super heavy tan should fit the name.
>>16276594do not sex the gijinka (moe anthropomorphizations) they are for moe not for fugg
>>16276599>moe is not for fugglmao
>>16276587Yes anon we know you have never seen real boobs out of a bra, let alone one on a woman leaning.
Struck a nerve granny?
>>16276545ARE GOINGTO NEED A BIGGER PORK BARREL
>>16276610No butterscotch candies for you.
>>16276412He's doing it intentionally to manipulate stock price. Behind closed doors he's actually based
>>16276594Yeah
next stage>>16276674>>16276674>>16276674>>16276674>>16276674
>>16276233if the troonsformer ends up not working for giving all these humanoid robots AI could elon neuralink chip third worlders and have them control the bots through starlink?
>>16276590the knights-in-shining armor is a good compromise
>>16276522gay rocket for gay people literally built in europe by queers
