Reusable Starship EditionPrevious - >>16424225
https://x.com/vast/status/1845594931349409824Reposting Vast Haven-2 announcement for those that missed. Its a whole animation of how they will put the station (read 9 separate stations) together so go watch!
It's happening. We're all going to make it. The future is looking bright.
there are now 3 active sfgs.Image limits do make things tricky.
>>16429706theoretically yespractically nasa will find a way to insert itself into such attempt
>>16429711Tell the janniggers to increase image limit for us again. They did it before they can do it again.
what is he thinking right now?
>>16429713>practically nasa will find a way to insert itself into such attemptthey seemed pretty hands off for the other private missions
>>16429715>Its over.
additional link to the parallel sfg in case some sfg historian tries to track the previous thread links >>16424354
>>16429708Boring, where's my artificial gravity ring?>>16429715>I should make another video about solar freaking roadways
>>16429715>How can I grift and clickbait my audience now?
when will we be getting rid of solar panels and going nuclear?
someone make a shoop of picrel famous pic, but musk's arms are the chopsticks catching the superheavy booster
>>16429727oddly enough CNET did just that for their article pic
>>16429716i'm sure you can tell the difference between a leo trip and a moon landing, especially if the private attempt happens before china and artemis
>>16429708First segment
>>16429730Then they line them up while center is being constructed
loooool so troo oomf
>>16429729>if the private attempt happens before china and artemisI wonder if they would even allow that.
>>16429733Then they rearrange them on the center and add 4 more additional modules like the original
>>16429727(credit to anon in previous thread)
>>16429737They will add a big window on the ends
>>16429739he's a big guy
How does ULA recover after this development?
The duality of /threads/
>>16429708A bunch of 7 meter sized modules, presumably for new Glenn, with a Starship sized core moduleCool
>>16429740It will also have an arm and external payload Im assuming for whoever pays
People don't really appreciate some of the dumber things driving Bechtel's extreme costs to build the NASA launch towerThe insistence on using SRBs means anything they build needs to be able to handle the cloud of hydrochloric acid from the exhaust, which requires extensive protective coatings to be applied on every surface to NASA specBecause the tower isn't modular the fact that it is being increased in height from the other one means they had to completely redesign it from scratch(Want to guess when they made their order for the steel they will be using on the tower?)
>>16429742>welcome to the club>>16428814
>>16429744Oh shit I didnt see this art before, SOVL and actually achievable if Haven-1 goes well since they will have experience and basically just need to construct the aame thing over and over.
>>16429742Imagine being so autistic that you have to turn a rocket into a cartoon girl
>>16429746Lmao, thanks Trump.
>>16429744Why do you assume New Glenn? They could also just fly on Starship if it comes to 2028 no? Unless Im wrong in thinking you can pur smaller diameter payload inside a decently larger ship?
>>16429722this
>>16429736put it in another way, imo there's zero chance of a private moon landing happening before artemis, not because spacex cannot do it, but because the moment they come close to doing it, nasa will at the very least buy a seat for their astronaut and turn it into a nominal us mission.
>>16429715>all those times I told them it will never work.... will they still believe me now?
>>16429735>like, I tooootally hate two-minutes-of-hate-man! updoot me!
I just want some more HLS interior pics mannnn
>>16429739elong is loooooooong
Theres so many happenings right now and in the like last month or so>Polaris Dawn>IFT-5>Europa Clipper>Hera>New Glenn>F9 return to flight>Haven-1 final design>Haven-2 announcement>Crew-8>FAA SpaceX conflicts
>>16429757They're too long to fit inside Starship payload bay.
>>16429743Notice 22 comments to 8 likes, it seems like people arent that stupid over there
>>16429766Vulcan launched few weeks back. No one cared cause its a dead end tech tree
>>16429743>I just don't get why one of these private aircraft companies just doesn't try to reinvent the Wright Flyer.
>>16429743This is the notX right? LMAO the commie trannies that wanted to escape twitter went there
>>16429771So liking Elon is now also commie tranny behavior now? And then you call it X and Twitter in the same statement. You are such an annoying prick, and need to exit this thread.
>>16429773Commie cult is commie cult.
>>16429765the resemblance is uncanny
>>16429708Is there a reason we can't have bigger docking ports?
Who will NASA pick for CLD? Probably only will be one or two finalists
>>16429780spacex.
>>16429770>the world's first airplane had an unsymmetrical engine and pilot configuration, canards, and twin pusher props
>>16429784you also maneuvered it by flexing the wings.
>>16429780Presumably, the one currently paying Thales to build more Raffaeloshttps://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/space/press_release/thales-alenia-space-provide-first-two-pressurized-modules-axiom-space
>>16429708Just like my kerbal games
>>16429719>Boring, where's my artificial gravity ring?Fucking this. It's not even that hard to make it work either.You need five human-traversable parts: one with the engine in the middle, two stabilizers that are attached on opposite sides to the engine, and two curved habitat modules that attach to the center part.The stabilizers contain docking ports, ensure the station stays in place when the engine starts rotating the habitat modules and make regular adjustments so the station doesn't accidentally de-orbit.The entire thing can be sent up through just three launches: the engine and stabilizers should each make up a third of a standard payload size so they can be sent to orbit in a single launch and both habitat modules should take one launch each.Depending on how big you make the modules, you now either have a curved H-shaped station, or you can make the two curved habitat modules hug the center part to connect both of them and make a continuous circle.The smaller you make the circle, the faster it'll have to rotate, however. Not sure what the math on that is.
>>16429777
spehs
>>16429777That's what SH needs, a tail!(also checked)
>>16429743>before elon, after elonYou know, this guy is probably right.It's insane that people don't recognize just how important the work he's doing is to humanity a thousand years from now.
oihmmm
>>16429784>>16429785it also flew tail-first
>>16429794It's no accident that he was prophesied by von Braun. Truly great men impact not only the years after them, but also the years before them. Their ripples of influence are so powerful they travel in both directions through time.
>>16429780axiom is trying to use the busted boeing excuse of only one vendor. can't see how it may backfire with starliner fresh in everyone's mind.vast wants to launch haven-1 next year. if successful, it will be difficult for nasa to argue against the first and only commercial space station.
>>16429784>>16429785And it had anhedral wings.>>16429796>tailthat's the canard
>>16429708Question: Given its size, how many RPM's should it make to give the tips of the arms 1g of artificial gravity?Second question: could it survive the stress?
>>16429780Orbital Reef is already on its way out. Vast is already making Haven-1 regardless of CLD so I think that being completed succesfully will put them clear in the lead to be picked. I dont trust Northropp when Dynetics fucked up so bad with Alpaca along with there not being much news/progress as of the recent CLD checkup. Axiom maybe but I have no clue how thats going, plus they work in training and flying astronauts as of right now and not as much station building. Same with Nanoracks, Locksneed even pulled out from their agreement so even less confident. I really can only see Vast with how much progress theyve been making with their station. They are using Haven-1 as a testbed and will use that design in most of Haven-2, and Haven-1 will also be the first station up and is relatively low ambition meaning its much more easily achievable than first timing shit like inflatable modules. Also Starship Station variant exists and is getting its PDR in 2028
>>16429798boeing's "muh second vendor" excuse never made sense considering NASA also has Soyuz bringing astronauts up.
>>164297352024 redditor getting mad at 2011 Redditor
>>16429780I like Orbital Reef's look, but it'll probably lose due to cost. Haven seems pretty decent. It looks a little bland but the common modules is a good idea.Ultimately I think you'll just see a Starship modified to be a single launch space station like Skylab. Maybe modify one to be a station core and dock multiple ships together over time.Honestly I'm not sure I see the need for such large stations, other than use as propellant depots. Even propellant depots might become unnecessary depending on the ultimate launch cadence of Starship.
>>16429804why do you need 1g?640k... I mean 1/3g should be enough for anybody
>>16429811>Maybe modify one to be a station core and dock multiple ships together over time.Dock them radially to the hub like spokes on a wheel, then spin the whole thing up
>>16429804Plug in the numbers here https://www.artificial-gravity.com/sw/SpinCalc/
Congratulations tower and booster-chan!
>>16429704Back home. That was the most astounding I have ever seen.
>>16429819The most astounding thing, even
crazy
>>16429815>Bout 7 RPM and a tip speed of about 50 kmhWhat kind of stress forces would we be talking about?
>>16429806it actually does make sense. soyuz is not a viable second vendor because america cant just lose domestic manned launch capability if the primary vendor fails, that would look bad. it would be especially bad when the seocnd vendor is a country you have a bad relationship with
>>16429815>0.2 g is too low for immediate comfortI really cannot comprehend how anybody would reach that conclusion. 0.2g is perfect. Enough to keep you in your chair but little enough that any posture you adopt will be comfortable. Very easy to lounge about and relax.
>>16429821Thats insane
>>16429816I want to fuck that tower
>>16429826You speak from experience?
>>16429708Mir never really died. She just gets reincarnated over and over again.
How Starship Changes Everythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF7lOP963zQ
>>16429833buy an ad
>>16429833Fuck off nigger
>>16429833be gone
>>16429715To his credit he didn’t make fun of the Ship tipping over and exploding. He said it was expected. He was just fixated on>Musk is le late on his time tablesWhich is a dumb argument. He also argued>Starship is so le big! How could it be possible to be profitableIt is big but yeah, if SX can fly a super heavy lift rocket that big and get the engines / manufacturing costs as low as possible and reuse it as many damn times as possible they can prove thunderf00t wrong.And to be fair it IS a little bit wild to imagine one-off missions like, say, a single arabsat chartering an entire Starship to go to LEO and this somehow; someway, being cheaper than a F9 flight with a short merlin and a booster that’s been reused 20 times. But Musk is confident Starship can replace Falcon 9 and run at a lower cost so I hope he can do it and prove Phil Mason a bozo
>>16429804Without a larger station I think you'd still have the disorientation problem with your feet moving noticeably faster than your head.Maybe you could spin it really slow and get 0.1g or something. I'm not sure that would be worth losing the benefits of 0g though.
>>16429830Yes.
The best spin is no spin.We've been simulating mass as payloads so why can't we simulate gravity?
>>16429833Fuck off.
>>16429822About 1 g
>>16429845Enough spin to negate the need for velcro is the ideal.
does stretched starship reduce the workload on the heat shield?does the increased surface area of the heat shield offset the increased energy it takes to orbit the extra mass? thinking of energy bled per m^2 of heat shield
>>16429845You need spin so you can have chickens. They can't drink without gravity.
>>16429846No how about you.
>>16429819Spectacular shot, anon.
>>16429852In space we'll have ducks instead. Water fowl are better adapted to zero g.
Oh, the Booster catch made some folks salty.
>>16429845>why can't we simulate gravity?Because you need a LOT of mass to create human-measurable gravity.For example, you'd need about one and a half trillion kg to generate 0.2g.
What is the “spinlaunch” equivalent of landing?
>>16429863Lithobreaking
>>16429863Spinlanding
>>16429864The only correct answer kek
>>16429866No.
>>16429863>what is the landing equivalent of not going to spacenot landing?
>>16429863SMART, only the engines land
>>16429715>>16429839>he didn’t make fun of the Ship tipping over and explodingsort of, he posited ditching in the ocean as an indication of failure and that starship is never going to work. Which is just stupid and baseless. They aren't flying a true orbit and landing on land or tower catching the ship because of license issues. They have to demonstrate in orbit relight and spacex probably didn't want to relight the engines two times and potentially ruin a chance for reentry and simulated landings. Raptor 2 isn't raptor 3
>>16429868Yes!
>>16429863orbital decelerator
>>16429871I think deep down Phil truly doesn't believe at least half the stuff he says and he just laughs it off because the $$$ talks and the anti-Tesla never-Muskers continue to donate and pay his rent and put bread on his table as long as he says how "shteupid Musk is with his shteupid shedule and outlandish rocket design that is no better than a Mercury-Redshtone"
>>16429786axiom is brankrupt, its over for themhttps://arstechnica.com/space/2024/09/a-key-nasa-commercial-partner-faces-severe-financial-challenges/>>16429780there arent any good options. axiom is kill, nasa doesnt want to rely on spacex derived hardware for everything, blue origin might be an option, starlab is too useless.
>>16429856I got this one too. Old vs new.There's some kind of raw appeal to me about these phone camera shots through crappy binoculars. The framing imparts a neat vibe.
Anybody got that recent video on rocket reuse that was posted here earlier today? I didn't watch it then but I'm bored now.
fully expended FH tomorrow :(
>>16429863do a flip
>>16429794>BC -> AD -> AE>We are living in an ancestral simulation created so an advanced civilization can understand themselves in the time of elonok whatever just pls giv >>16429795
so now that the dust has settled, the booster clearly wasnt in a reusable state after landing and it took them many years to get falcon to a state where it could be refurished in a practical way. So there is a long road ahead. we will probably not see reusable hardware until flight 15 at the earliest
>>16429816I never do this but I need to commission a memeThe pool kid and skeleton meme but it's booster with ship at the bottom of the ocean
>>16429875You forgot Vast, idjit
>>16429863you spin a rotor really fast on the ground and match speeds with the spacecraft as it plummets to earth at orbital velocity, then grab it
>>16429819Thats no moon...
>>16429845>We've been simulating mass as payloadsdo you think a mass simulator is some machine that simulates the effects of mass???It's a block of concrete lmao, it's a simulation of PAYLOAD mass
>>16429886i didnt as they're the spacex derived hardware station that i was talking about
When is the next launch?
>>16429863Rotating orbital tethers
>>16429889Mass simulator? More like massive payload simulator!
>>16429883Booster reuse before October 13th 2025, calling it now.
>>16429891I think I'm addicted to Starship launchesreal life doesn't feel like anything anymoreand all I can think about is how to get my next launch
>>16429855You're standing on a shilled video but it's not the high ground
It'd be funny if Elon decides to just reuse the booster after some repairs.
>>16429846Threadly reminder that harassing people like this is free
So what's to stop SpaceX from building a non-reusable Starship and marketing the system as heavy lift rocket with reusable first stage? Since they successfully recovered the booster, doesn't this mean that SLS is effectively obsolete? Seems like they could do the Artemis missions for much cheaper now.
Now that the dust has settled, does Starship really have half a centimeter CEP?
>>16429876Hows orion's heat shield btw
Apologize
>>16429895Gonna need a booster worth reusing first. And that depends a lot on what kind of cadence they're allowed to have. Right now they're more valuable to take apart for post-mortem.I think the first reuse will be either a tanker or a pez dispenser.
future historians: the drone ships are named after some scifi books? the tower after a giant robot lizard? the falcons after some scifi kids movie? wtf was wrong with this company...
>>16429704Will they finally cancel SLS now?
>>16429907>Gonna need a booster worth reusing first.I give it two flights until they return a booster that makes a reflight, within one year from today. I'm calling it.
>>16429908>future historians: THEY WERE CUTTING OFF THEIR KIDS' DICKS AND BOOBS
>>16429895so youre saying they will reuse hardware from ift7 in ift8? seems a little early.
>>16429908Don't forget the BFR thing that was inspired by Doom games.
>>16429917And dont forget your dad who was inspired to suck my cock :D
>>16429909askthis once starship can actually filfill any missions
>>16429704Your reaction?
>>16429906I apologize, Gerst-sama. I wasn’t familiar with Starship’s game.
>>16429927i've never seen a cruise missile land. I was getting worried with how fast it was approaching the tower. If you told 1970 rocket scientists who landed on the moon we'd do this they would laugh.
>>16429927
>>16429927that dude on the left with his mouth agape and hands on his head? that was my same reaction. i checked the launch thread a time or two after the landing and it the thread was at a standstill. nobody posted for a bit after it landed, everyone was in shock i guess.
>>16429927lol I think I cycled through the four exact poses of the guys in the front from left to right
>>16429883NASA used to fish out boosters from the sea and they wouldn't see another reuse for a year. This thing literally came back to the launch bad upright when most people would be satisfied letting it burn up in the atmosphere or becoming permanent space trash.
>>16429927>>16429932Disbelief -> Amazement -> Celebration -> Joy
>>16429754w autist
>>164297414U
they catch starship with the chopsticks too right? i guess we're a ways away from that... maybe IFT-7 at the earliest.
>>16429898I could see them at least attempting to perform a full repair just to get a feel for how complex/costly it would be in case of future mishaps.>>16429937>no top flapsFlawed design
>>16429937Lewd
>>16429885actually good idea
how long until falcons are caught like that too
>>16429754artistic*
>>16429704So what about the hotstaging ring? Doesn't that impact rapid reusability? Or are they just gonna make a ton of these things and keep chucking them into the ocean like frisbees?
>>16429885>>16429944
>>16429949That's only temporary. The next version of starship (due for test 7) won't require an expendable ring.
>>16429949They're gonna make a new booster design with an integral hotstage.It's not jettisoned for performance reasons despite what the black guy nigger said.It ripped off due to aero loads on flight 3 and they won't bother fixing it when there's a new design coming
https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/1845609488570810874FUCKING BASED. Gigabit Starlink once Starship gets going
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1845462545844535629Simp
>>16429954What will they do with Falcon 9? No way it's getting sunsetted.
>>16429956It will be reserved for the old customers. While Starlink will improve the Starship candence and reliability studies.
People don't realize the extent to which Falcon CEP is cucked by its TWR.Starship can be almost arbitrarily precise if you just go a bit slower in the final phase.5mm position error is accurate.
>>16429954Even in denser areas? I am so tired of my ISP shitting the bed.I already have starlink at my mountain cabin and it's so fucking good despite the poor coverage/FOV due to the nearby peaks.
>>16429954>there is a future where I can get off the Charter scamthe world is looking brighter
>>16429908>Mechazilla>An Absence of Gravitas>Just Read the InstructionsThe meaning is lost, but the words remain. It is likely some reference to early M3 life.
>>16429908The appeal of giant robot lizards is universal and timeless.
>>16429927I had just woke up, checked X, saw "SpaceX successfully catches Superheavy booster, watched it, and said "holy fuck" out loud. I probably had some dumb expression. Who cares, this is worth being excited over.
>>16429962
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1845633730154545465
>>16429967>BDSM
>>16429970>>16429967what the fuck
>>16429968Just inspected the Starship booster, which the arms have now placed back in its launch mount. Looks great!A few outer engine nozzles are warped from heating & some other minor issues, but these are easily addressed.Starship is designed to achieve reflight of its rocket booster ultimately within an hour after liftoff. The booster returns within ~5 minutes, so the remaining time is reloading propellant and placing a ship on top of the booster.
>>16429970Leon you scoundrel!
>/pol/ doesnt believe that brilliant pebbles is possiblethere are so many little minds in the world
>>16429973Could you imagine like 20 launches in a single day
>>16429976You are sourcing opinions from /pol/ and expect intelligent answers? The average IQ there is roomtemp of course they dont think BP is possible, a majority of them probably think the shuttle is still in service
>>16429956No way, Crew Dragon will be around for a decade more at least
Daily reminderThere’s no reason for humans to go to MarsMuskrat WILL lose
>>16429982Its Felonious Husk, anon. You fucked it up, Muskrats are his followers
>>16429982truenuclear propulsion is the way
>>16429973>A few outer engine nozzles are warped
>>16429985I cant repost the same image but >>16429733
We are halfway through October and there has only been 4 orbital launches What a drought
guys GUYSit workeddid you see it? it worked! They caught the booster!Like jeez
>>16429988Suborbital is currently more exciting than orbital. IDGAF
I’m drunk and I work for SpaceX, AMA
when the heavy booster landed, i unironically jumped out of my chair and screamed "KINO ALERT!!!!!!!" 3 times in a row while stomping my feet, and then i adjusted my underwear and sat back down. i am not even joking
>>16429988so this is the power of FAA + hurricanes
>>16429957>>16429981What will Falcon's profitability be like with Starship at the helm? Both of them are designed to scale with their profitability being determined by launch cadence. How will they prevent Starship and Falcon from competing against on another initially?
>>16429991You know the rules, what's the froyo flavor of the day
>>16429989Thats insane>>16429991Why do you like lying about where you work and is your makebelieve work location Starbase?
>>16429986so now we know why the nozzles were warped
>>16429991Jessie or Kate?
>>16429995Pistachios
DARK MUSK
>>16429995Methalox
>>16430000Chris>>16429998I’m Jewish
>>16429877Actually spectacular, great photo
Today was such a huge mental swing between>come on, of course they can do it. They have mastered F9 landing ,and they have practiced SH booster burnand>IT’S GOING TO SWING INTO THE TOWER HOLY FUCKING SHIT NOOO
holy shit guys...so the debris that we saw in flights 3 and 4 was from the chimes all along?
>>16429968>>16429973Question so, why an hour? Could a tanker dock with a depot, deposit its fuel, then undock all within an hour? Even if you could go that fast what would be the boil off difference if you launched once a day or once a week instead of once an hour?The only other benefit I see is you wouldn't have to build a lot of stage zeros to launch starlink frequently. Unlike trucking fuel to the launch site, I doubt you can build a full stack of starlink satellites in an hour, so you couldn't even saturate one booster and one tower with starlink production.
How much for a ride in the booster? Couldn't be that much right? After all compared to the weight of the whole thing a few people probably don't matter.
why are people saying that the heavy stage is going to replace falcon 9? how can this big giant rocket be cheaper than a smaller one?
>>16430015Ahhh interesting. Wonder why it’s so weak. Must be a super thin sheet of metal that isn’t really fastened securely. At least not secure enough for shear wind force or whatever
>>16430018Because in theory the only thing you pay for with for Starship and Superheavy is to produce more fuel to fly it again
>>16430018Economy of scale or something.Falcon 9 will still be a thing, but Starlink will move to Starship so I assume Falcon's flight cadence will decrease in the future.
>>16430018Because spacex found a way to brute force a super heavy lift rocket with sheet metal bound by super autistic welds instead of more expensive methods like milling or composite carbon fiber or whatever, they’re trying to drive engine costs down as low as possible, and the ability to be reused even more than falcon will drive internal costs down that much more after a booster or ship gets reused 20, 30, 50+ times eventually
>>16430018Starship is replacing Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy when it's ready. In the future, they will only make and launch Starships
>>16430022is starship able to deploy satellites? i thought it was like a big crew capsule
>>16430027Yes
>>16430028thanks, i'm guessing it deploys them like the shuttle did
>>16430018Reuse and also manufacturing processes. Raw materials certainly account for a large amount of the cost but manhours to produce which is directly affected by how long it takes to make, certify, design, etc. the rocket cut heavily into it. Starships are atleast relatively easy to produce due to being made up of many easy to weld stainless steel rings, and the engines are also produced en masse with simplification/cost reduction happening all the time like with Raptor 3. Those are the very basic things we know, theres probably many orders of magntiudes more on cost cutting and stuff behind the scenes we dont know. They also choose to work that more on Starship than Falcon 9, they could probably get lower costs on F9 but theyve decided its better to make the SHLV and improve that instead.>>16430027How new are you again?
>>16430018Because one is fully reusable and one is not
>>16430027They have a thing they call the pez dispenser that is optimized for spitting out giant stacks of starlinks that they already tested (not entirely successfully apparently, but nothing a little rapid iteration won't fix. The plan, unless it has changed, is to eventually have the option to open up and spit out larger payloads.
>>16430029No. Definetly not that way if its Starlink. And even for others it may open a different way.
Can we really trust the booster to succeed in landing with so little margin for error every single time?
>>16430027? Getting to orbit is the only real issue, everything else in space is trivial
>>16430033The deployment door better end up being this good
>>16430016Optimistically, Starship could only turn around once every 12 hours to launch into the same orbital plane anyway. The plan is to have many ships and fewer boosters. Orbital tanker ops could never occur hourly anyway, they'd be constrained to 12 hours at best, but probably 24. The fast turnaround is going to be for something else (starlink?).Ideally, neither ship nor booster downtimes should be due to refurbishment. For the latter it would be the time takes to purge and retank and for the individual ships however long their orbital planes take to line up with the launch site for a catch.Superheavy also doesn't need any manned ground operations to refly, it's locked into exactly the same configuration no matter what it launches whereas with Starships they'll have to have payloads integrated anyway.Ultimately the launch cadence for a given pad will be constrained by how fast you can stack and tank one complete rocket. You can't cheat with Starship because of the above but if you start the clock with one Superheavy already on the chopsticks, you're already ahead by one stacking operation.
>>16430015chimes?
>>16430030>How new are you again?my discord kitten told me about this so i came to see what was up
>>16430043Raceways that run up the sides of the boostah
>>16430045So youre from the sharty.
>>16430038They ultimately don't have a choice but to do it the clamshell way. If they do it like a door the hinges will be exposed and melt during reentry. If they do it like the shuttle the hinges will be exposed and melt on both sides during reentry. Having the hinge on the dorsal side is really the only way
>>16430035If they nailed it the first try, then probably yeah. that shit was no fluke
>>16430048no i left when /qa/ got shut down and the trannies migrated over
>>16430035The two pins look small because the scale of booster, but it's actually 17cm in diameter, fucking huge.
which comes first?>catching the starship>getting starship into orbit
>>16430057Starship into orbit definitely. Docking starships to refuel them will be next priority, HLS won't even land back on earth with Starship so Elon doesn't really give a fuck about Starship recovery right now
>>16430049you can put the hinge anywhere why is that a limiting factor?
>>16429927I almost söyfaded. Close call.
It's wild how little margin the shuttle had. Starship seems to have a fuckton of margin, lose nearly entire flap hinge and you're fine
>>16430060If you were thinking about putting it inside, that messes with your usable payload volume
>>16430057Probably starship in orbit. They might also want to see what happens when they try to land it after spending N hours in space before attempting a catch. >>16430055>fucking huge.Smaller than my cock
why didn't they land starship?
Give it to me straight brosWith the amount of hate that Elon is getting both online and IRL, is there any chance that the government will try to come after his company's in order to bog them down/shut them down, or am I being a schizo?I want to believe in an interplanetary future so bad...
>>16429927I came and shidded and farded
>>16430067They would need to ask for a new license if they changed the Starship landing area. Even more months of delays.
>>16430067Had to kill a great white shark that was terrorizing the Indian Ocean. Mission accomplished.
>>16430073have u been sleeping for 80 years now greg? They nuked the entire public school system because of black peoples feelings back in the 50's...
SpaceX is going to be broken apart once Kackling Kamala rigs the election and puts Elon Musk into prison, or handicaps him one way or another. Humanity is about to be set back by 20 years.
>>16430076huh? >europoor
>>16429991when is the next flight?
>>16429743>Why doesn't someone try to reinvent the space shuttle?>Starship is literally a reinvented space shuttle.
>>16430067didn't feel like it
>>16429991Is the pay really as bad as the job listings show?
lmfao go check the starbase live stream right now, they are projecting mechazilla on the high bay and are all probably inside the bar getting W A S T E D
>>16429877Nice, starship will be the equivalent of the galleon.
>>16430077Yes yes very interesting.... But answer me this one, singular question my boy, my lad. Take heed, it's quite an important question. Simple in nature, but quite profound you see. That question is.... Who?
>>16429986>>16429999This is going to be the next major engineering hurdle. Yes, the booster came back, but it will need all its engines replaced before it can fly again. Might as well expend the booster, the engines are the most expensive part!And with Raptor V3 being built, with no consideration for this new challenge, I worry we will have to wait for V4 before this issue is addressed.All this makes me wish the team would halt production, address this and the other issues, and build new facilities with what they have learned so far. Launching one or two more V1 Starships seems useless, waiting another 2 years until this engine issue is fixed is pants-on-head.
>>16430095since only the outer engines were deformed, clearly the landing burn sequence could prevent it.
>>16429991Can you tell Juncosa to quit poaching our best people from the other teams? It'd be nice to keep making you guys money so you can keep advancing you tech. I'm not mad, but like three of our guys have already gotten lured to South Texas and they're trying to get ME to go too. Is Brownsville still a shithole with nothing to do? How cheap are the flights elsewhere if I want to fuck off to a normal climate for a weekend?
>>16430091
>>16430101you can see party lights and people inside the bar at the top of the bay
>>16430097Maybe do a mid-flight entry burn like F9? I know SH was designed to not require it. Again, new designs to give it enough fuel, or a fix to prevent this to the engines. Replacing 20 engines each flight is not better then all 33.
>>16430103it probably only requires chilling the outer engines despite not firing them
why do they waste so much fuel by venting it during re-entry? just keep it there to spend less on refueling
what the fuc
>>16430109Whats the issue? Do you not like internet in space?
>>16429991I'm drunk and I have questionsWhat solution for the nozzle damage? Entry burn?Buoy view (director's cut) when?Tank cam when? Have you guys found something better than wavelet compression for CFD yet?
It’s kind of crazy to thing all the engineers at SpaceX can even pull off the feats they do considering the delusions they buy into. A human future on Mars? These people should know better than to believe Mars can be a life raft. Colonizing Mars for a billionaire? Privatizing space?As someone who absolutely loves space exploration and discovery, I have to constantly run into the reality of what is going on here vs the wonder of the technology itself.I don't hold it against the engineers for the current climate they have to work in. It's not their fault billionaires like their boss lobby our government to defund NASA and privatize space exploration for their own profits. These engineers just want to advance our exploration and knowledge of space.But I'm also not a fan of blind, vague "hope" that ignores the reality of the situation, either.Humanity will not survive our climate disaster by running off to Mars. Anyone who believes that is brainwashed, and there is reporting that at least some people who work at SpaceX do believe that. Which again, is beyond wild to me because these people are educated in the very field to the point they should be fully aware of how absurd the notion is. They know damned well Mars has no magnetic field, and that even a ruined Earth is more inhabitable and survivable due to the fact is has a magnetic field.... and every resource we've ever known already here.Don't get up in my face with that "people who can actually build things" bullshit as if anyone who dare criticize SpaceX as a corporation and its shitty owner is some loser layabout who can't make anything or contributes nothing. It reeks of the very sort of ego I'm talking about.
If youre in Brownsville and havent gone to Hopper Haus, GO THERE IMMEDIATLY AND GET THE TENDERS AND TACOS
>>16430111i guess im just surprised that there are that many connections per module
>>16429804>1g of artificial gravityyou don't need or even want 1g, earthgrub, you can live "normal" at .38g, shit even .2g and everything will work the same as down here, you'll even get a bump on your dumb noggin if you fall out of your bunk at .2g, so stop the "must build for 1g" retardation please
>>16430091>you will NEVER get wasted with your team who just made spaceflight history
>>16429715>he
>>16430119tendie tacos with godzilla sauce is too californian for me
>>16430128No nigger its tenders and tacos separately, or just get the tenders alone. Buffalo tenders are the best Ive EVER had, and the hardshell tacos have amazing meat and crunchy as fuck. Just try the tenders damn it.
>>16430078Kids graduate highschool in America now without the ability to read, add numbers, and with chronic absenteeism and never get punished for physical altercations with teachers or other students.
ACK
>>16429813this, one pseudo "starship" will be purpose built as a hub with a ring of docking ports around its waist, then you just dock more conventional design Starships to it like spokes to a hub and guess what if you array them symmetrically you can even give the whole thing a spin if you want
>>16429819is this from a North Korean spy sub?
>>16430139No he was one of those fags on boats infront of Isla Blanca
wait if these rockets use methane as fuel, then does it mean i can sell my braps to spacex?
>>16430139
>>16429927Von Braun would be proud.
Why are some starlings way out therehttps://www.starlinkmap.org/
>>16429822>What kind of stress forces would we be talking about?why can't you get it through your head that it's the exact same "stress forces" things experience here on the surface of the earth? There's nothing "magical" or "pretend" about your artificial gravity, whatever you spin up to 1g will have to be built as strong as something here on the surface of the earth that is suspended and built to be safe for humans to be around and traverse on and "park" vehicles on (you know like Dragon capsules) like a span of the Golden Gate Bridge or a similar object built to "float" unsupported by the surface of the fucking earth
>>16430152Birds would not be alive at any of those altitudes anon.
>>16430141You could sell your braps to higher payers than SpaceX, especially if woman.
>>16429778they have to match the crew vehicles which all use Shuttle spec ports for now
>>16430152what with those starlinks being so far out?
>>16430126someone dub carameldancing on this
so lets see, next launch will include:>orbital insertion>starship landing in the gulf>starship recovery by ocean vesselthe mission after that is either:>satellite deployment or orbital refuel>starship landing at the tower
>>16429979>a majority of them probably think the shuttle is still in serviceActually the /pol/ party line is that space is fake and gay. Also, apparently nukes don't exist.
>>16430162>>starship recovery by ocean vesselHow? Are they going to build a mini mechagodzilla on a huge barge? They probably can't safely attach flotation devices to it just after splashdown.
>>16430126I appreciate the doomposting but I absolutely have and am deeply proud of both my team and the party until 4am, not so proud that I basically missed my entire weekend due to the hangover
>>16430166same way they recovered superheavy after it landed in the ocean
No videos/pictures of Elon's reaction? He's usually there for big milestones
>>16430166>>16430168i dont mean landing on a boat, i mean fishing it out of the water
>>16430169>he actually thinks felonious cares about marsOH NO NO NO
>>16430169He was playing Diablo instead
>>16430169there's a pic of him glued to his phone instead of watching
>>16430169Towards the end of the stream. He was busy posting in the sticky.
>>16429780its called "Commercial LEO destinations" plural. of course they will have multiple contracts. Probably all 3 of them (4 with axiom that isnt part of CLPS) if they dont go bust first.
Still so mad.
wait there was an anomaly with crew 8's deorbit?
>>16430185No
>>16430062They're launching it with half a dozen heat tiles missing for data each time too.Space shuttle was made of aluminium and was supposed to be a prototype. It wasn't supposed to fly actual missions but gubnment/NASA shenanigans.A lot to be said for steel skin. Design choices in NASA are amazing feats of engineering but that whole space pen parable definitely applies (even if it's not technically accurate, autists.).
>>16429949at launch the four "gridfins" should be vertical and act as a "hot staging ring", (yes, each one could even be curved and form 1/4 of a 9m ring) then after separation they should rotate down to horizontal and act as gridfins
TUMBLING DOWN. TUMBLING DOWN. TUMBLING DOWN.
>>16430182>that creature sitting next to him
this new vast station is impressive. it transitions very well from dragon to starship.
>>16430184>reputable media outlets>BBC>NYT
>>16430158Yea but the ports that just connect station modules to each other could be larger.
>>16430166They need landing legs for the moon and Mars. Tower catch is not strictly necessary.
>>16429976>>16429979>>16430164you sound like young pompous jew nerds, scram
>>16430196same problem, it's all one port design so crew can dock to a half built station
>>16430198>defending /pol/s intelligenceDo you also buy in to flat earth?
what's this module doing? it looks like cupola but its open to space? it cant be a docking port. is it a cubesat launcher? an egress for space suits?
>>16430201EVA egress, very similar to the ISS.
>>16430201it is a cupola, those are window protectors
>>16430201The top "door" is just a movable MMOD shield for the big window at the top of the cupola.
>>16430200>flat earththat's a JIDF psy-op to discredit the valuable JQ education being provided by /pol/ to the naïve world at large, but you know that don't you Seth
>>16430201Its just a cupuola. Watch the video on Twitter, its a modified Haven-1 basically. I put up a summary at the start of the bread
>>16430203>>16430206>>16430208so its a cupola? did they say why? there are already two windows per module arent there?
>>16430207Does anyone know what this fag is talking about? This just seems like CIA schizophrenia from a /pol/ escapee to me
>>16430199You just have to plan the construction better. Launch the first module with one small port and one big port, then expand on it from there.
>>16430209Ill scan the Vast article they put up, I forgor to read that earlier
>>16430169His busy getting wasted and dancing to techno right now "in da club"
>>16430210>HELP I'm being attacked by an anti-semite, help me JIDF!
why do i never see any other satellites whenever watching a launch video? curious...
>>16430212>>16430209Nothing about why, but they say 16 total windows from the Haven-2 module stations. Also side note to the fag that said Haven-2 modules cant fit in Starship, its literally the same diameter as Haven-1 but 5 meters longer, it guaranteed fits in Starship. Its the core module thats 7m diameter, so I dont know how but you seem to have gotten your info mixed up.
What will we put in space once the price per kg is $100?
>>16430225We as in 4ASS or we as in humanity
why do i never see any sign of intelligence from frogposter posts? curious...
>>16430207>/pol/>providing valuable education
>>16430222can haven-2 be launched with falcon 9/h?
>>16430225>>164302274ASS Smallsat Deployment System
>>16430229I kekd
>>16430233foust says falcon heavy>Haven-2 will start with a single module launched on a Falcon Heavy as soon as 2028.https://spacenews.com/vast-releases-design-of-haven-2-commercial-space-station/
>If selected in 2026, Vast plans to have the first module of Haven-2, an evolved and NASA-certified version of Haven-1, fully operational in orbit by 2028.>"if"hmm...
>>16430233Not 100% but I lean towards no. Picrel was original Haven-1 design, not sure if the black area at the bottom is ‘empty’ space but even then that 5m is too much considering average human is 1.63m tall and you can see a comparison there. Again final design has changed but I dont think the overall structure dimensions have enough to allow this extra height to fit. Does anyone know of FH fairings are longer than F9 or are they the same?
>>16430237Oh damn. My bad I guess it is FH. Damn how do they fit that bitch on there then? You can see >>16430242 and it doesnt look like it would
>>16430242FH uses the same fairings for now, it's only used for more energetic orbits or denser payloads (or both, like the roadster).
>>16430244dont forget the two dorms. has to be custom fairings or none.
EnSOULadus vs Your-Rope-ACK!
who is GARY CHURCH and why is he so funny in the SpaceNews comments
>>16430247god I can't wait for Starship Heavy
>>16429754imagine being so autistic that you can't enjoy anime girls themed after your favorite things
>>16430286I can't enjoy anime girls in general.Every time a female speaks in an anime, I want to cover my ears to stop hearing her screeching, high-pitched, whiny voice. I have no idea how people find it endearing or arousing when an anime girl screams "ONIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-CHAAAAAAANNN" or some shit like that. Jap voice actresses are incapable of talking at a humanoid vocal pitch and they all end up sounding like screaming cats.
>>16429708Is that thing really stuck together with tiny little APAS-derived docking ports?We need to quickly standardize a normal-sized docking/berthing port for normal-sized starships, before someone actually builds something that stupid.You can keep IDSS and/or CBM adapters on some of the exposed ports to dock legacy vehicles, but when you want to expand the station by docking a new module, you'll get a full-sized hallway you can move cargo/furniture/etc. through, instead of a tiny manhole.
>>16430291I get a little chub when they speak
>>16429991does anybody on the team have a practiscore page and who is your best shooter
>>16430029>>16430027they haven't designed the cargo bay doors yet for the cargo version
europa clipper tomorrow.
>>16429956It's going to take a very long time to get starship human rated, falcon 9 crew will have a job.
>>16430308>are ya winning, son?
it's hard to give a shit about NG now. Imagine throwing away your 2nd stage in 2024, lmao
>>16430316yeah well how long until military ballistic missiles first stages start returning to launch site?
>>16430319That's a different set of constraints. No civilian payload ever takes longer to integrate than a rocket takes to refill with liquid propellant.
>>16430035the arms actually bounce off the booster multiple times, they have cushioning>>16430015>>16430043>>16430046the word is "chines", with an 'n'>>16430220stupid frogposter
Still todo:Deorbit burnCatch shipProp transfer (full scale)Starlink/Pez deploymentReflight boosterReflight shipChomper variantTanker variantDepot variantStarship V2Starship V3 (longship?)Raptor V3HLS life support/crew cabin, air lock, etcHLS hot gas thrustersLanding legs for P2P/Mars/MoonAnything I'm missing? SpaceX wants to go to the Moon uncrewed next year. I don't think that's possible, since they need to master prop transfer, meaning multiple ships and probably booster and ship full reuse, meaning ship catching. Idk if the uncrewed HLS will have the full get up of HLS requirements like legs or airlocks etc, but they def need all the other stuff
>>16430326launch from cape is a big one. gotta convince NASA that 39a next door won't blow up.
>>16430327They have 3 towers but only 1 launch mount. The launch mount took so long to get set up. And all are outdated designs too thanks to learning from current stage 0. Ofc the eventual towers must be taller and mounts uprated for Raptor 3, chopsticks shorted, etc
>>16429767V3?
>bump limit reachedi am baking the new thread, prepare to switch
>>16430332do it faggot, see what happens
>>16430332no stop
>>16430332kek
>>16430039>Optimistically, Starship could only turn around once every 12 hours to launch into the same orbital plane anyway.Short-term: If doglegging to equatorial reduces propellant delivered to orbit by 75%, but lets you launch 12x as often, you're still filling it up 3x faster. Long-term: If you're sending dozens of starships to mars, park them (or depots they will rendezvous with) in appropriate orbits, and cycle through them every 24 hours.
clearly we need more sfgs in the catalog
>>16430326I think Ship V2 might be required for ship catching, since the hinge burn through will need to be resolved befire ship can fly over populated areas
https://x.com/jeff_foust/status/1845579767040626798>One bit of news from the briefing: SpaceX's Julianna Scheiman says the Crew-9 F9 upper stage anomaly took place when the Merlin engine ran 500 milliseconds longer than planned on its deorbit burn, causing the reentry outside the designated zone.nothingburger anomaly
>>16430345if you live under a starship flight path, tough luck. should have thought of that before you moved there bro. I see it the same as people that complain about noise when living next to an airport.
>>164303421 million sfgs on /sci/ by 2050
>dutch troon seething about /pol/ againyou love to see it
whats next for starlink after direct to cell and gigabit speeds?
>>16430039they can't access the second chance for the orbital plane from Boca Chica, only a few inclinations are availablealso the second pass for the orbital plane is not 12 hours apart, because it's a shallow slice off of the wave and not down the middle
>>16430352Haha I’m not him. It’s just funny we have 3 sfgs in the catalog at the moment.
>>16430347Not even the top fag mayor pete can save spacex on this one. sorry
>>16430353$5.99 a month for 24/7 monitoring of your property with starlink stats that have cameras onboard.
>>16429863That telescoping rocket catcher on rails that some guy came up with in the 50s or 60s.
thunderf00t's stream is an incredible watch, cope from start to finish. Bringing up the incorrect mercury levels and claiming even after correction they were a thousand times above the limithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw2LtXziMj4
>>16430369>21:40>so stunned from this point that he is speechless on the landing for 2, maybe 3 minutes.The cope was palpable. Honestly feels so good.
>>16430369if musk can create mercury by spraying water on a hot stainless steel plate, he deserves whatever he wants. that's fucking transmutation.
>>16430369>the comment sectionWow I am amazed we are even allowed to post comments at this point. Complete and utter seethe at his denial of this event. Every single one is trashing his take. Glorious.
>>16430369not gonna watch that, but the comment section is hilarious.
When will SpaceX take the obvious next step and remove Felon Husk from his unearned position as CEO?
>>16430376>>16430379This is 180 from his earlier launch streams, most comments were EDS retards. Cracks were forming in his IFT4 stream. Thunderf00t has slowly gained an audience of people who mock him, but does he care? he gets views either way.
>>16429812>>16430124Mars gravity is not enough to sustain normal bodily functions or childhood development.
>>16430380No Elon, no SpaceX. The company will shit the bed when he's gone, nd it will be sad to watch
Tell me again why retards think they can't go from OFT-5 to a moon landing in 5 years?
>>16430380It was Elon who refused to have legs on the ship and several other key engineering decisions. Without Elon, SpaceX would only be 5+ years ahead of the competition instead of a potential 20+ years
>>16430380It's reminds me of the stupidest argument I read..>Nationalize Spacex and give it to NASARetards thinking congress who have put the space industry in the state it's currently in would not imminently order NASA to cannibalize Spacex and sell it off to ULA/Boeing/Lockheed to pack the pork barrel. The lack of understanding from anti-musk 'intellectuals' makes me sometimes wonder who between them and Musk needs to touch grass more.
>>16430380If they did that SpaceX would fall apart and they would stop all aspirational goals, go public and start the death spiral of chasing permanent profit growth.
>>164303885 years yes, but they are trying to do it in 1
>>16430380What's with seethe-oids and using dissembling English insults like "bell end"
>>16430394There are plenty of mouth breathing retards here who think it wont happen until after 2030. Also no they aren't. Artemis 2 is still a year out.
>>16430397I think 3 years for uncrewed landing. 6-7 for crewed
>>16430388
>>16430388the moon landing is supposed to happen long before 2029
>>16430399Why would it ever take that long?
>>16430332Frogs are synonymous with ironic ragebait
Would you go to a Venusian cloud colony if you were forced to have gay sex everyday for the rest of your life
>>16430403Because >>16430326As of now, the only HLS-exclusive hardware has been an elevator and air lock mockup.
>>16430406stupid frogposter
>>16430414You are a nigger
>>16430225me
>>16430308im i forgotten........
>>16430411Answer the question fairyfag
>See the clip of the catch from the top of the tower>Remember someone asked Elon to put a camera up there Anyone know where that tweet is
>>16430415star ship is a black girl
>>16430418faggot
did I miss a heavy launch or was that delayed? BO today right?
>>16430407>>16430326Think about everything they have done since starhopper and then think about how much work they have been doing not in the public eye.>HLS life support/crew cabin, air lock, etcWill be very similar to dragon systems, and have been worked on since the HLS award 3 years ago, so I would assume this will be something that basically appears out of nowhere for the public observers>HLS hot gas thrustershttps://x.com/DJSnM/status/1407754444884742152>Landing legs for P2P/Mars/MoonI don't see how this would take a year.As for everything else it's not all neccesary, propellent transfer is the bottleneck and SpaceX doesn't seem concerned. They can expend ships to get the job done.
>>16430402Plenty of people here think itll be after 2030
>>16430433Boo hiss
>>16430431everybody fooken scrubbed except for Starship
>>16429794Imagine some EDS gets teleported to 2462 and they measure the year by Elons birthday LOL they would have a conniption.I agree btw, will prob happen.
>>16430441Hey dildo, answer the question >>16430406
>>16430443What happens if you miss one day
>>16430446Banished to Compton, Urf
>>16430388Because still needs dozens of launches, best case, to get a working Starship, depot, tankers, Moon space station and lander.
>>16430454Ew
>>16430436Ok but just imagine what kind of ludicrous mission would require fully expending a starship+super heavy. That would be like 'oh fuck asteroid' levels of needing a ton of delta v in a single launch.
>>16430448That seems fair. Alright I accept.
>>16430454Jessie is my belter waifu
As Boosters keep gettin caught , we will see more and more scratches from the arms, thats Starship mark as soot is Falcon's mark
>>16429877>it's been a long road
How do you explain this white liquid at the OLM ?
>>16430471Cum from the future when everyone watched the booster be caught.
>>16430471it was me, i couldn't hold it in when they caught the booster
>>16430383>source: ripped violently from my rectum
>>16430457It really wouldn't be worth it unless there was something with an absolutely irreducible payload mass (an unfueled nuclear reactor with integral shielding) or an instantaneous launch window (the asteroid) and even then you would have people asking why it had to be done in one launch when you could do it with two reusable ones instead
>>16430484It's true. Next time you have to shit, try it in reduced gravity. The turd just won't break free.
got another interview with HR today. What should I say if they ask me "what would your friends describe you as"?
>>16430433You're entitled to your opinion. I've been following SpaceX closely for a decade and I stand by my prediction. Screencap it if you like. I'm not clowning on SpaceX/Elon or being cynical, I'm interpreting based on what minute knowlege I do have about SpaceX achievements and past performance to come to a realistic number.
>>16430505ask them what it's like to have friends
>>16430454Jessie on that ozempic grindset>>16430471Transmutation of concrete and water into mercury, poisoning the grounds for eons
I still feel the actual ship should be able to land on the ground like it did originally, especially if it’s going to mars and etc
>>16430486Did you forget that Skylab, a Saturn V 3rd stage with a few solar panels, life support systems and shielding weighted almost 80t ? When Moon base Alpha starts building it will need huge modules, with probably nuclear power, moon rovers, airlocks, heavy scientific equipment and many many other things that easily weights +100t
>>16430507I agree, but it's less to do with SpaceX capabilities and more to do with the slow bureaucracy of the US government in granting SpaceX permission to fly humans and OLD space hold on congress that will lead to unnecessary obstacles and roadblocks. SpaceX would be taking people to Mars before 2030 if the US wasn't a corrupt oligarchy.
Well sfg?
>>16430531Both NASA and SpaceX knew that those dates were unrealistic. Only armchair experts like him care about that shit.
>>16430531to be fair to thunderf00t Starship should've already landed on the moon 4 years ago...
What did the Chinese think about the catch? We already got a slice of the Japanese perspective last thread.
>>16430531>says starship has no customers>proceeds to post details regarding a customerwhat did the moron king of debooonkers mean by this?
What will Muskrats do when rechudlicans lose the all 3 branches of government and Felon is thrown in prison and SpaceX is nationalized
>>16430537They realized they are still trying to replicate a Falcon 9 while SpaceX is in his second generation of reusable rockets ...
>>16429719>Boring, where's my artificial gravity ring?no real need in orbit or traveling to marsyou need it for extended missions, i.e., several years
>>16429719Spin it this way
How do you solve the problem of Earth-Mars transfer orbit duration without using a nuclear engine ? It is currently at 7-8 months.
>>16430552How will you solve this Muskrat??>>16430542
>>16430454needs an edit or something idk I'm not creative enough
>>16430552isnt it 3 months for starship with a full tank of gas?
>>16430531According to NASA, the next goal is uncrewed landing. Why is he seething so hard? SpaceX is cool! I think somebody should beat Thunderf00t's ass. When I grew up if you run your mouth like a fool one too many times you got taught a lesson
>>16430557ummm , no . Using a typical hoffman transfer (the most fuel efficient) is 7-8 months . Maybe if you use a more fuel intensive manoeuvre (waiting for Earth to be slightly closer to Mars ans burning for longer ) it could cut it to 5-6 months maybe ? But then a new problem arises , you will enter Mars at probably 12-13 km/s ... HOTEither way, half a year in interplanetary space is not good.
>>16429804Looks like about 30 m radiusAnything over 2 RPM would look and feel stupid. You don't want to see the stars and planet whizzing by non-stop, you want them to glide by majestically.From spincalc that gives you about lunar gravity, with about 6 m/s tip speedIf you increase it to 3 RPM that gives you approximately martian gravity, with 10m/s tip speed
>>16430035Statistically speaking, I'm sure that there will someday be a catch failure.
>>16430035>so little margin for error every single timeThere is actually a lot of margin for error. 10 meters. The arms will go to the rocket wherever it is. This is why I was confident this landing will succeed.
>>16430570>hoffman transfer
>>16430575what is the problem ?
>>16429927impressive very nicelets see jeff bezos rocket
>>16430578It's "Huffman transfer"
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1845494104668483838 >Elon to be Secretary of Cost-Cutting under Trump admin>Elon promised Trump he would get us to Mars by the end of his termApologies for the Ching Chang Chong post. I wonder how much fat Elon can cut in the executive branch, should be interesting. On the Mars subject, is this not exactly verbatim what Zubrin used to fantasize about?
>>16430586actually is Hohmann transfer
>>16430590Have they even designed life support and the interior of the ship ? This would take nasa decades to do I doubt Elon can do it in 5
Now you know why the FAA, under the direction of this corrupt admin, wanted IFT5 in late November, after the election was over. They did not want Elon (and Trump by extension) to have another big win before election day. But the FEMA/Starlink disaster and bad press forced Biden's handler's hand. Buttyjudge and Elon worked out a deal, no more clowning on FEMA in exchange for cutting FAA red tape. Maybe the admin hoped the landing would fail and use it against Musk. It's no coincidence too that Tesla had their product unveil the sane week. Trump shifting positive in the polls, Elon literally paying people cold hard cash to get voters registered in PA. Elon is going scorched Earth, and the Earthers have underestimated him yet again.
>>16430597they did Crew Dragon in 5
>12 Starship towers >Liftoffs every 2h >Landigs within minutes>Non stop >All day
>>16430531>Orbital launch testComing up next. Shouldn't be difficult at all.>Propellant transfer testNow this will require 2 Starships in orbit at once, which will be very interesting.
>>16429715>"At least I still have hyperloop"
>>16430604imagine working flight traffic control for it
>>16429863A Chinese village catches the stage.
hmm
>>16429715>Fooled my stupid audience once again>Little do they know I am a first round investor in SpaceX
>>16429715He's turning into a founding father
>>16430599feels kinda sad this whole launch was Trump's political stunt
>>16429900Cause spacex doesn't want to do that, they want the whole thing to be reusable.
>>16430599>Tesla had their product unveil the sane week.which product did Tesla unveil
>>16429739You know it's real because it looks so fake.
>>16430627Optimus Prime the bot, only seen friggin everywhere..
did ift5 use raptor 2s?
>>16430643It’s “Starship flight test 5” also known on the patch as “Flight 5,” and yes it used Raptor 2s
>>16430035Look up how farmers use their tractors, anon.
>>16430433I dunno. So far SpaceX has been really just throwing everything at one problem at a time. Only thing running in parallel was the engine development.Our first glimpse at their payload dispenser pretty much confirms this as it was was incredibly rudimentary two flights ago.I'm really not expecting a full life support interior just coming out of stealth, ready to use, based on what we've seen so far.
>>16430057>>16430058>>16430064They can't catch Starship unless it's already in orbit. Rotation of the Earth would put the launch site out of reach by the time it comes around
>>16430062>lose nearly entire flap hinge and you're fineyeah but you would be kilometers off from the tower requiring a bailout before landing
>>16430117you can solve the climate problem on Earth AND go to Mars at the same time you know
Is it true that all main sequence stars generally appear white to the naked eye? Even the K and M type stars? I wouldn't have a 2700K lamp hovering over the sky during the day if the sun was replaced with such a star at an equivalent distance to receive the same amount of solar energy?
>>16430646Was this the first flight to use Raptor 2?
>>16430162>starship landing in the gulfwasn't there a deal signed with Australia regarding starship recovery?
>>16429949ring gets hotstaged because the booster is so much above design weight that the landing tanks arent big enough to carry it back to the pad
>>16429970There is no way to sugarcoat this...
>>16430406why are frogposters so gay?
>>16429934they recovery was mindblowing, im not dispuiting that. but the thing is clearly not reusable without extensive work. i would go as far to say that its more damaged than any recovered falcon ever was. not doing an entry burn clearly exposed it to some shit. very very far from the goal of 'inspect, refuel and go'
>>16430643>>16430646>>16430665they've been using Raptor 2s since ift-1
>>16429973Will that particular booster fly again?
>>16430696Wouldn't hold my breath. Engines that didn't warp will likely get ripped off for firing tests, engines that did warp will likely get sliced up for material testing.And the booster itself took some damage on the landing burn.
At the end it was that easy ?
>>16430436I don't even mind it. Steel is cheap, their engines are cheap and plentiful, and it'll be hundreds of tons to LEO or a really big probe to anywhere quick
>>16430033>LUVOIR>HabExBrings a tear to the eye
>>16430552What's the problem? That's a normal ISS stay in an ISS sized space
>4 people per module>8 modules + 1 core moduleare they really going to put 32 people on the vast station?
>>16430663your dad generally appears white to the naked eye because hes high caste. about stars, im not so sure.
>>16430505bump
>>16430715nope. internal volume is only a quater of the challenge. look at historical space stations.
>>16430505>"bubbly, fun, quirky"sayit with a straight face and you will get hired. its a shit test.
>>16430722how many you thinking then?
>>16429986two problems here:1 leaking methane burning adding extra heat:2 the outer engine being exposed to higher wind speedI think they need to lower the skirt so the engine aren't as exposed.
>>16430702Pass-fail is not the way to rate these events. Some of them are true pass or fail items, but the important ones are on a spectrum, and should be given a score of 0 - 100, with annotation detailing reason why points were deducted from one milestone to the next. Also Wikipedia, turned to shit about a decade ago, at the same time everything else on the internet went to shit. I wonder who is responsible?
>>16430728What is a shit test and why does HR do them
>>16430731>I wonder who is responsible?oh I know this one! It's (you)!
>>16430599>Trump shifting positive in the pollsno he isnt. all they are doing is spamming biased polls to give the impression they are wiggling the average. neutral pollers have shown no shift. You fell for the most basic smoke and mirror trick there is
>>16430730Maybe the engine nozzle can be made from thicker steel
>>16430095retarded post, guylurk more and post less
>>16430117>hello fellow spaceflight enthusiastsget raped
Ship 31 don't even got the new ablative layer on it and that shit takes a month to replace. Someone tell me why the Block 1 ship will ever fly again.
>>16430666I dunno if anything was decided about that but surely shipping starships back to the US would take way too long, especially if you want rapid reusability.
>>16430730Would any of that be a problem if these were raptor 3s though?
>>16430730The engine fires, bell damages, and landing with skirt on fire will continue until Raptor 3 is ready to fly, unfortunately.Prepare for the next several boosters to return with damage, probably well into next year.Needs a major redesign to fix it.
>>16430771so how will they fix the bell damage with raptor 3?
>>16429874In other words, he's a grifter. Agreed.
>>16430771Active cooling with cryogenics during ass-end heating, for all 33 engines, not just the ones that are operating.Also tweaked flight profiles, shielding, redesign of the structure itself for aerodynamics.Now they know for sure which points got absolutely roasted, and finalize the corrective action.
>>16430326They would have already done it if not for the years of regulatory delays
Did Starship botch its landing? Telemetry had it going 50 kph when it "touched down".
>>16430353More coverage and higher density, send more traffic through space, etc
>>16430784nah it looked greatyou could even see a couple frames as it came softly down on to the water where the engines were still lit underwaterwas epic
Its been 24 hours now, and I am still euphoric.Get that cadence up, I never wanna come down!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBzujm-cF8
>>16430755aren't they made from high nickel alloys or something
>>16430784They came at more of an angle than they did last time so the were translating a lot but the speed dropped down to 6-7kph before the telemetry started showing the ship icon tilting over
Just got done with the HR interview and she really did ask me what would your ex-coworkers say about you.
>>16430788>>16430798Yeah I watched it again, it actually looked alright. Just a bit odd. It was still going 50 for a few seconds and only completely decelerated during the last second or two before the engines turned blue-green from the water. At first I thought the water decelerated it but since the color was a dead giveaway, I guess I can lay that to rest.
>>16430802"y-you too"
>>16430804Yeah the altimeter makes it a bit more difficult to judge, as both 10m and 900m read out as 0km on the public telemetry
>>16430774for anyone who didnt see his face when it landed
>>16430807I said something along those lines yes. It's not easy being autistic. sometimes I wonder if Elon was doing a job interview and they asked him "what do you think your weaknesses are?" how would he respond? Would he just walk out the interview?
>>16430802You should have said, they were jealous as fuck that you had the BALLS to exit that go-nowhere-fast company, and they wanted to stay in touch and network, so they can follow your lead. You are moving on up, and they are sadly stuck in the worst of wage cages, but powerless to do anything about it. Many such cases!
>>16430813He'd probably rape the interviewer, knowing him
>>16430811>long hair>pink shirtWhat massage is he trying to send?
do they do active cooling w/ the cold fuel to cool the engine nozzles? if now what do they use to cool the nozzles?
>>16430689Returning any booster is the first step into figuring out how to get it back intact.The reentry heating happened before the landing burn and it did not stop it from igniting all necessary engines and retaining control to land very precisely.It's easy to point that it's damaged, but the fact it sits on it's launch mount is more validation of the design than any damage being a setback.If the heating was a huge problem, you just wouldn't have a landed booster.
>>16430813elon is a world class bullshit artist, he would stutter a lot but leave them thinking hes a genius
Can someone explain why this booster catch is more technically impressive than the moon landing ? Yeah it requires more fine tuned control but now we have modern computers and better materials. Or even starship, we already know how to produce turbo jet engines, what are the technical reasons that prevent just scaling previous models.
>>16430820They do, modern nozzles have integrated cooling channels for the cryo-prop to run through before being used for combustion, the issue is that you can only make the nozzle so heavy/durable as mass is being used up elsewhere, in this case the Raptor V2's still need a heavy heatshield to protect more sensitive parts from the heat of the engines and re-entry. V3 is designed in such a way to eliminate the need for the heatshield and offer greater thrust.
>>16430828the moon landings weren't as precise. That's about it. These autonomous landings aren't very challenging from an engineering perspective. NASA was landing probes on the moon autonomously 50 or 40 years ago.
>>16430505"I thought you and I were friends."
>>16430828Apples and oranges anon, the weight, mission complexity and landing environments are totally different. A lot of the impressiveness comes the sheer size of the vehicles involved.
>>16430421Starship is a Mexican girl if anything. She's the giant, 150 ton doter of Pablo the welder.
>>16430828>why this booster catch is more technically impressive than the moon landing ?It happened.>what are the technical reasons that prevent just scaling previous modelsPhysics doesn't scale like that.
>>16430828>>16430832The engines used where dead simple in the landers You will not find such fine control of any full flow staged combustion engines to the degree super heavy has demonstrated.
>>16430537I told a Chinese person about it as it was happening. She wasn't terribly impressed.
>>16430839>It happenedback to >>>/pol/
>>16430537They are somewhat impressedhttps://m.weibo.cn/search?containerid=100103type%3D1%26q%3DSpaceX
>>16430604They're aiming to build thousands of starships capable of multiple flights per day. It's going to be a lot more frequent than every two hours.
>>16430847>according to xinhua news agency>according to phoenix technology>video of it happening right belowi know theyre in a bubble controlled by government media but is it considered not real if they dont name one of the news outlets?
>>16430610Imagine the tens of thousands of jobs it'd create if they ever scale up that high. Pic related is the team for a singular test facility. Florida must be salivating at the opportunity.
>>16430599>Elon literally paying people cold hard cash to get voters registered in PA.Faggot
>>16430858the amount of job listings SpaceX and Starlink have are insane1000s of them
>>16430663Not spaceflightFuck off
Equipment rolling out to the pad including the booster transport
>>16430210To translate; there is a conspiracy theory that states various intelligence agencies (CIA, Mossad, etc) are purposefully spreading/promoting stuff like flat earth, space doesn't real, and other really stupid conspiracies, as a well poisoning tactic to make discussing the actual shady shit those agencies do more difficult.
If elon was a genius he would remove HR departments from SpaceX and Tesla
Two falcon launches today, 90 minutes apart.
>>16430873Falcon heavy is three launches actually. It's literally three falcon 9 rockets attacked to each other and they fly in synchrony
>>16430875NoIt isnt
>>16430875Hmmm good point. I guess it’s 4 falcon launches in a 90 minute span bevause there’s a starlink launch out of vandenberg too.
>>16430868>lol sure yeah "Mossad spent decades gathering blackmail material for every prominent figure in the United States", do you believe the moon landing is fake too? lmao
>>16430880Wait no vandenberg is tomorrow. 4 in floriday today.
>>16430881>Mossad spent decades gathering blackmail material for every prominent figure in the United Statesapparently so
>>16430870who would he have sex with?
>>16430117Faggot commie
we had eclipses, and auroras, and while we wait for the nova: comets>Tsuchinshan-ATLAS, also known as Comet C/2023 A3, will be at its brightest, and likely visible to the naked eye, for a week or two after Oct. 12, the day it’s closest to Earth—just look to the western sky shortly after sunset. As the days pass, the comet will get fainter and move to a higher part of the sky.>The second comet, C/2024 S1 (ATLAS), just discovered on Sept. 27, should be visible around the end of October. The comet will pass closest to Earth on Oct. 24—look low in the eastern sky just before sunrise. Then, after swinging around the Sun, the comet may reappear in the western night sky right around Halloween. https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/10/two-comets-will-be-visible-in-the-night-skies-this-month/
>>16430890apparently they're quite visible from the iss
>>16430888female intern engineers
>>16430891if people expect us to beleive this is real at least get rid of the crappy space engine watermarks.
>>16430886>lol "Israel's war is the direct result of hostile foreign agents bribing and blackmailing elected and unelected officials"?, yeah I bet you think the earth is flat too huhsomething must be done about science misinformation
>>16430893>starship can only do 40 tons, 75 tons max!who am i to believe, spacex or some malding redditor
>>16430881>Mossad spent decades gathering blackmail material for every prominent figure in the United Statesgot a source?
>>16430893I too like to pull out numbers out of my ass, the truth is that no one knows the actual numbers. Maybe it can do even less, who the fuck knows
>>16430899Oh yeah all the mainstream media reported on it and every social media lets you talk about it, dumbass
god i wish i had a plate of aluminum to autisttically grind into an isogrid on my 10 million dollar CNC
>>16430894this would markedly reduce the effectiveness of spacex. better to have the sex servants segregated in non technical jobs
>>16430893they might be dropping from 4mm steel to 3mm steel in places. easy mass fraction just from that. plus the fins shrink and the tiles are getting thinner in places.
Tesla Robot Taxi Predictions on 10/10 - We Robothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAeA-5AHrCg
>>16430893Just went back a few months in this guys comment history. He reallly doesn’t like spacex…
>>16430923imagine spending so much time on things you hate instead of things you like
>>16430930I like hating
>>16430893orange reddit niggers
self driving has been working for a long time now, its more just regulation and worrying about edge cases for years now
>>16430944there's only one legit self driving company and that's waymo, but what does this have to do with spaceflight?
>>16430948self driving cybertrucks will spin donuts around the mars rovers
>>16430893>>16430923This person is also entertainingly wrong about GPS accuracy capabilities, an ESL, and is proud of being unqualified in aerospace. Disregard everything he/she/it types.
nsf is live for falcon heavy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JUn8LmGYEA
lol this is the europa mission?Whats their budget while it just fking coasts to jupiter i wonder
>>16430948next you'll say ULA is the only legit rocket companylmao
whats the config on europa clipper? expendable?
>>16430970fully expendable afaik
>>16430972wow rip boosters.....
>>16430970Fully expendableThey need all the juice they can getThis was supposed to launch on SLS, but yeeeeaaahhThey are recovering fairings though, 2700km away from launch site
>>16430972yeah, and maximum thrust. they're sending it as fast as possible.
some Falcon 9 stats
>>16430970Yes. And it's arguably still not powerful enough. It will have to do gravity assists to get there
Now that we have the booster on ground, what sort of modification will SpaceX do to make the next flight more refined? Angle of attack mod or hardware mod or combo?
>Side boosters: B1064-6 and B1065-6; 290d 14h 59min turnaround>Side booster history: USSF-44, USSF-67, Echostar 24, Psyche, USSF-52.>Side booster recovery: None>Center Core: B1089>Center Core history: New booster!>Center Core recovery: NoneRIP to the boosters
>>16430818>should've trooned out 25 years ago
>>16430980Hopefully it will be worth itEuropa Clipper will detect Europan life in 2030Checkit
why don't they just refuel the second stage in orbit and reuse the boosters
>>16430978Would a single superheavy have enough power?
>>16430985Because it's never been done before
Arriving 2030We need starship.
>>16430930>>16430923I can probably explain the reason to hate.If you have been in any community long enough, it doesn't take long to notice the fussing around everything is not so much about what is done but how it's done.People who hate on SpaceX all day probably loved spaceflight, but they only loved it when in the context of the 60s-2000s when government led everything. Now that private companies are leading in ways that are completely opposite to how NASA did things, they don't like spaceflight anymore.Space flight isn't about the best and brightest in one agency, with the world's best manufacturers hand assembling things anymore.Now is dirty mexicans mass welding stainless together in Texas with an autistic and narcissistic billionaire leading the charge. He's upset at this fact now, especially when the media tells everyone to hate him.The rage over things changing is something to behold.
>>16430985They don't have refueling infrastructure for Falcon upper stages because they're focusing on making it work for Starship.
>>16430966it's probably, what, 3-6 engineers that will be charging most of their time to the project while it's drifting plus another 3 dozen or so who won't be charging any time to it until it gets to jupiter or if something comes up. plus time on the DSN. maybe a million a year while it's coasting?
>>16430976Gonna be cool to watch this thing bookin
>>16430982Space is fake, Earth is hollow.Checkit
im reading about brilliant pebbles now and i thought it was just a concept that never got off the ground, but they actually launched 3 of the pebbles for testing, all of which failedwtf
there is no life in europe
>>16430995100m a year...
>>16430604They are going to really need those sea platforms working soon. Once it gets to that point people will shut it down faster than the concord
>>16431002https://www.planetary.org/charts/europa-clipper-cost-chart
>>16431002for realsies? while it's coasting? are the having everyone on the project charge to it full time for the years between launch and jupiter intercept?
>>1643100575-100 million a year to supervise a satellite coasting dormant in space
>>16430989how to pass time until 2030????????
>>16431007I have no idea how it costs so much fr
>>16431007Yes.
>>16431005AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>16431014india built, launched, and operated a moon lander for less than it costs clipper to drift through space for a year
>>16431019Beurocracy...They bought the flight from SpaceX for around the same amount of money
>>16431022Rather than paying 2.5b for SLS
>>16431017that's the retainer price scientists charge so they actually come back in 2030 and do the mission
maybe the best reason to watch nsf is for the timeline breakdown
When you spend $5 billion on a project, failure is unacceptable, so you do everything in a really retarded and expensive way to guarantee success (literally impossible, btw) which necessitates a budget of $5 billion...
>>16431029Its better than the faggots on the NASA stream
will NASA have an official stream for Clipper? btw my name is on clipper flying to space
>>16431037Its live now but its shit
>>16431037Your name had better be Nigel Iggerson
NASA is go for launch
>>16431041Nah I used my real name. (doxing myself to Europans)
>tune into NASA stream >hear Indian voice >immediately close the window
the amount of mystery meat in that mission control center is astounding
we gotta stop spending $5 billion for a probe that takes 5 years to reach its destination and only gives us 4 years of science. we need probes that last for decades if we're spending that much.
>>16431041>>16431037Not him but I sent up Judy Spizer
>>16431048
>>16431052JPL is a joke
>>16431043let me guess- youre a homeless spic who wandered in to the clean room and write graffiti all over the vehicle because they were afraid of being called raycist?
>>16431049>4 years of scienceHow will the mission end? They crash it into Jupiter?
>>16431052so many women
Why is the JPL mission control cooler looking that SpaceX mission control? We can't allow a style gap.
>>16431057Ganymede
>>16431057we dont know for sure yet according to wiki>In June 2022, project scientist Robert Pappalardo revealed that mission planners for Europa Clipper were considering disposing of the probe by crashing it into the surface of Ganymede for planetary protection purposes, in case an extended mission was not approved early. He noted that an impact would help the ESA's JUICE mission collect more information about Ganymede's surface chemistry.
>>16431060I would be nervous as fuck if all those people were looking at what I was doing inside the mission control room
>>16430914How? It's not like interns do any real work anyway. Better off letting them be fuck toys for the office, plus men can bounce ideas off them while they fuck.
Anyone else worried about the faulty transistors onboard the spacecraft? Also here's a closeup pic of Europa. Clipper will deliver far better photos still. As you can see Europa has a bizarre rugged landscape with extremely steep cliffs>>16431063an extended mission will likely be approved.
>>16431059
>>16431059johj
>>16431069
>almost 2025>still dont have probes for every planet and moon in the systemwe're so far behind...
>>16431070Why does this picture looks like it's out of a porn movie?
>make expendable starship upper stages>make giant probes>?>profit
largest planetary spacecraft NASA has ever built
>>16431025It'll be passing by mars, will any of its instruments learn anything new from that?
>>16431072
>>16431076starship has zero payload beyond LEO >>16429742
>>16431077
>>16431084This is for reusable starship you fucking tranny
>>16431085whoah look at those shadows those huge cliffs are casting
>>16431084refuelupperstageinorbitsirs
JPL just admitted on the stream that gravity assists actually steal a tiny amount of energy from the planet
>>16431090>he didnt know
>>16431090Slow down EVERY world, crash them ALL into Sol
>>16431090
>>16431090whitey be stealing our planets energy n shiet
>>16431076People probably wont believe me but the future of space science missions are probes launched into LEO by SLS and refueled by Starships.
>>16431090they speed planets up if you go the other way
>>16431097Gravity dessist
>>16431052/sfg/ is jelly as FUCK
>>16431090Clearly we must send gravity return missions to give back all the energy that was taken by the previous missions.
>>16431096>probes launched into LEO by SLS2.5 Billion dollars a probe launch plz t.NASA
whos the fella breathing heavily
My heart rate is a bit higher for Europa Clipper than even IFT-5!
Europa clipper will measure the thickness of the crust and maybe the depth of the ocean
>>16431090How many Europa Clipper missions are needed to crash Mars into Earth?
>>16431075jessi hooking up with the nasa announcer
>>16431109yeah, in the gayest way possible. we should send a 100 ton tungsten dart impactor to europa
it's 2024, why is the video and audio quality in the NASA stream still so crap
>>16431115what would be the purpose of that?
how come the retards couldn't just keep it under a fucking weight limit that allowed a direct transfer instead of years of circling aroundShould have been cancelled a decade ago
>first woman>first person of colora recipe for disaster
>>16431124what could go wrong?
>>16431126probably nothing unless they decide they must be parastronauts too
>>16431122Its NASAs largest and most capable probe
>THREE (3) /sfg/ threads still up and in autosage mode
>>16431131science is boring to talk about to most people
>>16431070dios mio
apparently they saved $2bil from switching to Falcon Heavy
>>16429704Europa Clipper will explode, they can't let Elon Musk win. Sorry but we must stop Elon Musk.
>>16431139More than thatThis launch will cost 150mSLS would have cost 2.5b
>>16431090Don't mind me, just transferring some kinetic energy from this planet...
>>16431121measure the thickness of the ice crust
RIP to these two perfectly flight-tested boosters
>>16431139what would've been their original launch vehicle?
>>16431139they would have spent that 2 billion if the SLS was ready though
>>16431126Well the main issue is that there are apparent quotas, they won't just pick the best people to do the job
>>16431148It's how they would have wanted to go
>>16431149SLS
>>16431149SLS and it would have brought Europa Clipper to Europa in less than 2 years.
>>16431149SLSWould have cost way more, but it would have arrived earlier.
>>16431154Less than 3 years
>>16431151glover is a great pick and I don't know anything about koch but I assume she's fine. what racists and misogynists don't realize is the real quotanaut is the canadian.
>>16431115fill it with plutonium and have it melt and sink through the surface
>>16431156Sigh... why couldn't they have let the professionals handle this...
>>16431147the tungsten wouldn't go through...
>>16431154>>16431156>>16431157could have just launched it in modules and joined it together in LEO
>>16431151NASA astronauts are already drastically overqualified for what they do. Also Glover is based and 100% will quote scripture when he steps on the moon.
>>16431168>how to turn a 5.2 billion (2 billion) dollar probe into a 20 billion dollar probe
>>16431154>>16431157Imagine when Starship is commercially available and we get probes on direct routes to the outer planets for very cheap
anyone's stream started lagging?
>>16431174could they send a second clipper that gets there quicker than the first one provided starship is commercially viable in short time and they just happen to have a second probe lying around
>>16431172take away autistic weight restrictions and you cut costs by 10x
>>16431157Oh, you are right.
>>16431178yea
>>16431181That looks so much better than the orange
>>16431184the paint just ends up being a considerable added weight
>>16431178the youtube's stream is fuckedi switched to twitter instead
>>16431185What does this mean for the renders of HLS being all white?
these NSF casters are horrible
>>16431186link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtWkYZkv_Q>>16431189https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1DXxydorLMLJM
Clear Live for Falcon Heavy Europa Clipper Mission!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtWkYZkv_Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtWkYZkv_Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtWkYZkv_Q
Was europa clipper supposed to launch of SLS?
>>16431181Rapid response to what? Chase Oumuamua?
working linkhttps://plus.nasa.gov/scheduled-video/europa-clipper-launch/#fullscreen-player
>>16431187HLS will need to be white. It needs to reflect sunlight. There will also be significant insulation. They'll have plenty of extra mass with no heat shield and basically no payload.
>anomaly
anomalous temperature treading noted
oh cool I tuned in just in time to watch the rocket explode on the pad
>>16431199Prepare for hodl
>>16431198Oh right I forgot they won't need tiles on HLS, that'll be a bunch of mass saved and a little white paint won't offset the savings much at all.
>>16431194Anon learn how to control+f
>>16430886oh, I think you're talking about this then
the government, NASA, and MIC all have incentives to hide a bomb in clipper and blow it up to blame SpaceX
>>16431194yeah
>>16431193>I can't enjoy spaceflight unless there's a cartoon little girl on screenkill yourself
most expensive spacex payload ever
ULA SNIPER SPOTTED
We are a go for launch
HOLD
>>16431210>"it jammed :("
plz blow up for keks
Damn look at that fucker go
5 billion dollars going up into space
My favourite part is when the announcer says what the launch is about right after liftoff
god speed
and we have LIFTOFF for the europa clipper going to jupiters moon Europa
Clear max-qute!
funnily enough FH is spacex's most reliable rocket heh
I expect a Clipper themed /sfg/ thread in 2030 for its arrival
Farewall side boosters... you did some good launches for the glowies...
Nice. Another spacex win. When is BO launching?
>>16431224Assuming we all still have electricity and internet then, there will be.
we are chilling
>>16431225F
booster kun...
>no telemetry
NOMINAL
EC and JUICE are based, but we already know a lot about the Jovian system and nothing about the Uranian and Neptunian systems. I demand Trident to be fast-forwarded and given full priority from now, and I expect a launch no later than 2027.
they will recover the fairings btwkek
what the fuck is that
ALRIGHT STAGE 2 DONT FUCK UP AGAIN
>>16431225>spacex-sana, we are landing again right? why isn't there enough fuel in my belly?
Fucking beautiful
>>16431239>sana
Hopefully no cock-ups with the second burn.
>>16431239this person watches anime
>>16431242yeah i never watched anime in my life
spaceflight will only continue to get busier...one day sfg will have to be split up into different generals for different topics...
They should have an infographic of what the ship actually looks like during different stages
They should do an all-women launch where females control every aspect of it, and when it explodes everyone will know to never mix females and rocketry again (except for nose art on Starship)
Looks like they got some white engine rabbits rather than rats today
>>16431235But anon, SLS will die without that money!
This dude has painted nails. Oh it's a woman nvm
>>16430738They wheeled out Obama to chastise black voters, Kamala is drinking beer on TV, going to the southern border, distancing herself from Biden. Walz is pretending to be a tough guy pheasant hunter. These are desperate acts to appear non-reptilian in the face of abysmal internal polling
>>16431247there will be a mars only *chan one day
>>16431209jwst
is that a tranny
>>16431257spacex makes ariane 5?
>>16431249New zealand navy did that with a female crew and the ship sank
A brown woman and a fat dyke. Really? America needs a purge.
>>16431257thats ariane bro
>>16431257not spacex
>>16430117>It reeks of the very sort of ego I'm talking aboutEgo is controlling what people can and can't build. The only reason Elon needs to go to Mars is that he wants toThe whole point of starship is that it slashes payload cost by another factor of 10. Going to Mars is just icing on the cake. Nasa was content to sit on their asses for decades after the shuttle was canceled. It's their own damn fault that private space caught up and beat them. They wasted much more money than spacex ever had on pointless bs while ceding launch capacity to the russhits and chinks
>>16431247>/tsfg/terra spaceflight general>/lsfg/luna spaceflight general>/msfg/mars spaceflight general
>>16431257europoor trying to steal other's glory again
>>16431209jared isaacman?
The glowie launches had the most expensive cargo surely
>>16431269Yeah those 100 meter northrtop antennas cost a lot
>>16430657Not really, IFT4 still successfully flipped and reoriented for soft landing. I think I would rather be off target by a bit than break up 50mi up like Columbia
>>16431269doubtful, these nasa satellites are insanely expensive because you have entire teams that do nothing but work on it for 20 years
>>16431269Zuma was only like 2 billion
>>16431268kek
>>16431265>terra
so how long before the second burn?
>>16431247People will be less interested in individual launchesIn 3 years, starship fuel depo tankers will be as notable as starlink launchesIn 10 years, lunar commercial cargo missions will be ignoreable
>>16431269if it was more expensive than it's all artificial expense (cost of going through 'secret' channels and 'secret' development) the actual material and labor cost will never approach these science payloads
fun fact voyager 2 is the only craft that has visited Neptune.
>>16431101Hey as long as every congressional district gets a piece of the action...
Isn't our clown clown world Earth beautiful?
>NASA gets their Europa thing into orbit no problem>SPaceX can't even land their thing in the sea without it explodinghahahahahahahaa spacex btfo hahahahaa btfo
>>16431286Weak bait
>>16431283Lots of craft have visited Uranus though
>>16431287You replied
>>16430890Too many omens
>>16431287it's not bait, it's just a joke, anon
hmm i missed this from a couple of days ago, but ukraine is blaming recent battlefield losses on starlink. add it to the pile of attacks made against spacex last week.>there is a burgeoning black market of Starlinks bringing the terminals to Russians on the front, and their proliferation has been an important factor in Russia’s recent gains during its offensive, Ukrainian soldiers said>The issue has renewed Ukrainian frustrations over Elon Musk, SpaceX’s mercurial chief executive. Some of the soldiers criticized Musk by name, saying his company has not done enough to crack down on illicit use and casting doubt on his desire to fix the problem, saying he appears to have favorable views toward Russia.>“They just overpowered us,” said an officer in the 72nd Mechanized Brigade, which had defended the Vuhledar area since 2022 and recently had to withdraw. He described the Russian use of Starlink as one of the important factors, along with manpower and weaponry shortfalls, that hastened the fall of Vuhledar this month.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/12/starlink-russia-ukraine-elon-musk/
>>16429704>Reusable StarshipIt won't happen. Only the booster will be reusable, and way less than F9 due to the higher structural loads.When SpaceX analyzes the telemetry of starship, they will realise that it doesn't make any sense to reuse such a vehicle due to the extent of the repairs and rebuilding needed after each flight. The future is an expendable Starship with just vacuum engines. Screencap this.
>>16431283that's not very fun
I actually never screencap anything written by a tranny so I won't
What a week SpaceX is having, mogging every player in the world, outstanding dominace on every level .
>>16431295>wapo
>I have enabled youtube chat on the NASA videohorrors beyond my imagination
This stream is incredibly brown and gay. RUD after deployment.
>>16431295This is quite literally Jeff Bezos shitting on his competition
>>16431266why do they wait 10 minutes after engine cutoff to deploy the payload?
>>16431308But journalists are impartial people that have to provide facts as close to objectivity as possible, what are you suggesting anon? That we can't trust anecdotic quotes on the internet?
>>16431247space board
>>16431306>dumbfuck2001:where is this rocket going?>retard11:why arent the boosters landing?
>>16429704BREAKING NEWS!!! THEY ARE INSTALLING EXPLOSIVES ON BOOSTER 12!! IFT6 IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN WITH BOOSTER 12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Biologically cleanFirst thing I'd do if landed on Europa was toss out my wank tissues. Life shall find a way.
>>16431295As much as I want SpaceX to succeed Trump winning absolutely means Ukraine loses its much needed funding. I don't mind if SpaceX takes an extra year or two to get to the moon that's still beating China by a large marge.And as we just saw this week the democrats actually seem willing to work with Musk if enough pressure is applied so it might not even be different under kamala anyway.
>>16431318>I want america to be destroyed that will help space flight>viva la raza
>>16431316Chat, is this real?
>>16431316I don't understand this reusable FTS explosives meme
>>16431320Why is America getting destroyed? lmao if you bend to nuclear blackmail you won't be safe even if you retreat to North America.
>>16429927Laughing, clapping and jumping in glee
>>16431320Please don't reply to /k/ bait
>>16431318she needs to quit the space YouTuber meme and have a dozen children instead
brutal mogging, more power than five MMRTGs over its entire life
>>16431226>When is BO launching?I keked
>>16431318I think we should fund Russia
>>16431277Are you an Earth purist or something?
>>16431334"Terra" is retarded
Are we 100% positive that dark matter isn't just normal baryonic matter that isn't a star? Like 85% of the universe by mass could just be cold planets in the void, right?
>>16431295I'm pretty sure Russia isn't winning this war because they got a few black market starlink terminals, probably has more to do with their numerical superiority in tanks and artillery and men and al the other stuff.
>>16431338IIRC that doesn't explain some things. Dark Matter interacts weakly with itself or something like that.
>>16431340>I'm pretty sure Russia isn't winning this warcorrect
>>16431322Kill yourself normalnigger
>>16431310give everybody a chance to go take a pee
"Nominal Orbit Insertion"
>>16431342I wonder how many constants in physics are only constant because we measure them from the same place
>>16431354Big G is almost certainly derived from other things rather than being a true constant.
>>16431354Imagine if there is a place or time where light speed is faster and we just happened to exist at the fucking worst place
>>16431358the universe isn't expanding, redshift is just light slowing down over time (or speeding up? idk I didn't actually think about this shitpost)
Good separation on Clipper
Goodbye Clipper!
BREAKING NEWS THEY DONT GET A SIGNAL FROM EUROPA CLIPPER ITS OVER
AOS
Acquisition of signal confirmed
>>16431324>lmao if you bend to nuclear blackmailDid you see the 20 minute long standing ovation he got? believe me the Sampson Option is real and we already bent the knee
got it
>>16431335It's latin.Bow to the sacred language you heathen.
>failed ventUH OH
Proof that we send too few probes if AOS calls for applause.
>>16431382Yup, the DSN is basically held together with hopes and prayers also>Coughing on the loopgross
>>16430663Yeah pretty much. They're so bright that the yellow/orange tinge is minimal.
>>16431343you do know the zog in kiev only survives as long as the western money and arms spigot is turned on full blast right, and that can't last forever
FAILER VENTING, PROBLEMS
I wonder if spacex for missions like these do more checks for the boosters and 2nd stage compared to starlink ones.
>>16431387It actually can lol. We're spending <0.5% of US GDP on it right now.
>>16431384I hope someone comes up with a private DSN startup. That would be way more useful compared to another meme launcher.
>>16429778Until Starship routinely flies, there's no need, as there's no vehicle that can take advantage of a larger docking port at this time.
>>16431392starlink would do it if there was any money in it whatsoever
so is starship no longer "fully reusable" because of the hot staging ring?
>>16431395They'll fix that in later booster revisions.
>>16431394I don't think starlinks have the same deep space reach of those giant dishes
>>16431395starship isn't fully reusable because of the methane and lox
>>16431391too bad normal non-bloodsucking parasite people want peace, not the permanent brother wars you've been engineering
>>16431395Yes. Also they don't reuse fuel, Elon Musk is scam.
>>16431379>written in englishFaggot
>All this war postingFuck off back to >>>/pol.
>>16430893Anyone who mentions the rocket equation like some kind of gotcha should be put in a camp
>vent problemEuropabros... Is it... Over?
>>16431411this is europe's mentality too
>>16431411>we dont have aspirations so we dont need to keep up
>>16431400>the permanent brother wars you've been engineeringdo you also believe the Earth is flat?
>>164301214 crew per module, 6 modules in total, for a crew of 24 people on average at any given time. At any given time 12-16 would be doing experiments of some kind and sending that data back, other 12-8 would be doing other activities that may involve significant bandwidth requirements too, local to orbit or out to deep space or the Moon. It doesn't take much to saturate a single gigabit connection anon. That's only 120MB/s. The raw bitstream from New Horizons, for example, would fully saturate that connection for over a month every time it does a data burst back towards the Earth.
>>16431411Honestly yeah. Some entities are better off buying flights and seats and saying thank you. This bizarre state where 90% of real talent is focused on developing launchers is leaving a pretty obvious gap
>>16431411This mentality is why they are a vassal state of America
>>16431417>This bizarre state where 90% of real talent is focused on developing launchers is leaving a pretty obvious gapYou think they should be focused on making chips?
>>16431280i really like evil women
When solar panel deployment
>>16431419Focussed on making payloads
>>16431424idk
>>16430893Let's pretend for a second that its 75T to LEO fully reusable. There's nothing on the planet that can put 75T into orbit and be ready to fly again 24h. Even Falcon Heavy can only do 63T to LEO, and its turn around time is around 2-3 weeks. People get so hung up on numbers, they fail to account for the time element of the equation. The Alpaca lander had a negative mass payload capacity. Blue Origin's lander is basically 5-7T. Starship is 10x that at its most conservative estimate. That's huge. 75T is 2 payloads to get to a fully deployable ISS 2.0 station. 3 if we're being generous. It took us 20 years to build the ISS and with only a 75T reusable Starship, we can do it in a month. That reduction in time is the most valuable element of this gain, not on whether it can deliver 200T or 100T or just 75T. People like these consistently miss the forest for the trees.
>>16431430Yeah, even a Falcon 9 tier payload, plus immediate reuse, would change everything.
>>16431391The thing is people are getting tired of so much of OUR money (but it's only half of a percent for this one, goy!) going to fund YOUR schemes. If you want to pay for an endless war in Europe out of your own pockets that's one thing but using your control over our governments to make us pay big for something so unprofitable and ultimately harmful as this has got to stop.
i think nips aren't wrong if they accept their launch launchers won't be commercially competitive.
>>16431440Kek
There's just too many downsides to trying to maintain a domestic LV program at this point. Everyone should give up and focus on building payloads for the new normal. Launch has been solved. Only China has a good reason to keep up with their program.
>>16431430That long central truss always felt more like a ship's keel than a space station to me. The ISS will ultimately have less in common with future stations than with Venus or outer system manned missions.
why don't we use a helium based rocket fuel? that way the rocket is really light during liftoff!
>>16431452Helium is inert
>>16431452>helium based rocketyou mean nuclear fusion rocket?
>>16431436I suppose its good to have the strategic autonomy a domestic launch provider gives you, even if its not competitive with SpaceX. It looks like that's all Japan and the EU are after
>>16431392I've been advocating for this for a while now. When Starship comes online it will be possible to launch giant radio telescopes to orbit and avoid having to locate in radio quiet zones.
Elon : The next generation Starlink satellites, which are so big that only Starship can launch them, will allow for a 10X increase in bandwidth and, with the reduced altitude, faster latencyhttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1845884681050276333
>>16431452Hydrogen is even lighter, why don't we use that? ;)
Martin Shkreli booster landing reactionhttps://www.youtube.com/live/yO5oaiyRLS8?si=V3JzU9zEw84recKb&t=199
>Fastest Falcon launch ever: 45648 km/h>Europa Clipper will reach Mars in just about 4 months (FEB 2025)Holy shit
>>16431462If they could reprise KH sats for Hubble they can reprise Magnum for a new DSN
>>16431469Holy shit
>>16431469And new Falcon speed record: 12680 m/s (earth-centered inertial)https://x.com/edwards345/status/1845887804129292333
>>16431463I told you retards that starlink satellites would keep bloating and that starship wouldn't change anything since almost all their launches will be dominated by starlink with government contracts being squeezed in somewhere.
>>16431485why is bloating a bad thing
>>16431463"order of magnitude" Elon does it again. I love how much of his success comes from the markets really liking order of magnitude increases
>>16431490For Starlink services its not. But for anyone wanting to launch on Starship it sucks. 2 year wait list for a Falcon 9 right now and I don't see that changing with starship. Satellite ratio/launch is not going to be any better.
>>16431469>my daily commute in 2 seconds
>>16431469That's how fast my name is flying to Mars as we speak
>>16431318You posted this yesterday
Cool little graphic i made
>>16431519Plasma magnet solves this
>>16431505Oh yes it is. With full reuse and RTLS every launch, cadence will begin to accelerate. Multiple that by new launch sites, SpaceX is going to have 5 completed Starship pads within the next 5 years, and by then cadence will easily exceed current F9 cadence on a single pad
JD Vance : I believe the destiny of this country is to conquer the stars. Whatever your views of Elon's politics, this is something that should inspire all of us.https://x.com/JDVance/status/1845833497023549505
>>16431525I'm tired of you and your damn plasma magnets
>>16431530>"conquer"that's a problematic term.
>>16431534Why are you quoting what you already greentexted
>>16430958>an ESLAre you calling me retarded
>>16431436They're not really supposed to be competitive. They had ideas that the H-2 could have been competitive back in the late 80s but that died hard. Right now they just want a domestic rocket that they can put sensitive government payloads on that's also not a financial disaster to launch. They don't have any of the ego issues that Europe has against buying commercial services from outside providers.
>>16431539Nta but I am
>>16431540>They don't have any of the ego issues that Europe has against buying commercial services from outside providers.They don't?
>>16430863fuck off>>>/n/
>Initiate Trans-Mars Injection goosebumps
>>16431540What they have is a domestic launcher that likes to explode
>>16431545>refilling flights 3268 off nominal>fleet grounded indefinitely
>>16431545Its trans Martian injection just like it trans lunar injection
>>16431543Europe's never stopped being salty over the State Department screwing over Symphonie back in 1972. That was only reinforced by NASA spending the next few decades screwing Europe over on group projects while treating them like a varsity league space power (even if it is mostly true). Japan's relationship with America in space has been a lot more professional and hasn't had any major issues of eurodramatics.
>>16431556the martian is trans? good for her
re: Japan's launch industry, one good reason to maintain this is to retain skills and talent that can be repurposed into ICBMs etc.Many seemingly useless govt investments double as defensive measures. Subsidising domestic farming (see: UK) is a good example - it helps to enssure food independence in the event that shipping to the island collapses
exomarsbros....
I have schizo dreams that predict the future from my own point of view (empirically verified)One of them is of me walking on the moon from the moon base to an outpost and back. Like a guided tour walking through a historical site. You will be allowed to do an actual space walk on foot as a tourist.
>>16431559I love working with JAXA, they're absolute bros Contrast with the chaos that was Rosetta, DLR and CNES were fighting over data release schedules like two kids fighting over who gets to go first at show and tell
it just dawned on me that the falcon heavy mission recently was europa clipper. i swear that was meant to fly on sls? people have been talking about it flying on sls for like 10 years
>>16431540They had hoped for some level of commercial success for H3. Pic related pointed to multiple commercial launches by 2028. But unlike the Europeans, Japanese launchers have never reached Ariane 5 level of success, so they are not bitter about being beaten by Falcon 9.If Falcon 9 does not exist, H3 would be in a pretty good position.
>>16429708Manned LEO is a waste of time
>>16431579sls called in sick this morning. it'll pick up one of fh's shifts some other time
>>16431579Boeing konnte nicht genügend geld für einen SLS Start sichern. Der Start von SLS ist nicht erfolgt
>>16431579SLS was first in line for Europa Clipper but they did some investigations and figured out that SLS produces so much vibration that it fucks with the craft so they chose FH
>>16431295>wapoWho do you think *owns* the press? Hello
>>16431587Oh no! It's the hodenverstümmelung!
so curiosity got the best of me, and I wanted to see how the rest of this website reacted to yesterday's launch and.. oh god, it's reddit 2.0, EDS everywhere.
>>16431526You're assuming that will be allowed to fly as many launches as they want. They don't even have a permit for 25.
>>16431318Not much will change if Zion Don wins. That applies especially to spaceflight.
>>16431596But they will, it's just a matter of time.
Meanwhile on bilibili
>>16430382>but does he care? he gets views either wayI think so. He wants to be Skeptical Science Sage not Bozo the clown
>>16431579The real reason is that Boing was not able to build another SLS quickly enough to squeeze it between Artemis I and II.
Uhhh bros why is Elon joking about taking his cock out www dot facebook dot com slash reel/1151824402560228
>>16431596Neither did F9 when it first began flying
>>16431614Falcon 9 landing offshore on drone ships with minimal launch noise is not the same as superheavy and starship.
>Starship shifts the demand curve for space launches to the left by 2 orders of magnitudeWhat are people going to send up to LEO when it costs $100/kg?
>>16431601I don't know if you have noticed but it's actually becoming harder to launch if you are Elon, not easier.
>>16431574WHOLESOME
>>16431632there's unironically value in just putting raw materials in orbit. Just toss up tanks of water and rolls of steel and bags of sand and dirt. Call it moon 2, joking at first, but at some point you stop joking.
When was the last we ever saw changing from 4mm to 3mm steel rolls?>>16431632space billboards. pandora's box will open
195 Raptors flown to date
scale
>>16431644Does the exhaust plume look better or worse than on Saturn V?
>>16431632Myself And maybe a decent telescope to style on the astrophotography community
>>16431583>>16431587>>16431589>>16431607espeically funny because these deep space missions were sold as a jsutification for sls since it was said they were impossible without it
>>16431649this
anybody have one of these rocket size comparison charts that has starship and isn't shit? I'm trying to explain how big this rocket is to somebody.
>>16431648Saturn V was just kerolox so it's an opaque fire.
>>16431655skill issue
>5 star hotel orbiting the earth is going to become real
>>16431651
>>16431660yeah i think it meant to say thatthere was no actual man hiding behind the tower who stepped it and caught the falling thing
>>16431663
>>16431632Maybe I'll send a dildo or something, and giggle at the thought of a dildo flying around up there
>>16431660
>>16431662Those windows will not exist. And by the way, the pressure vessel for Starship will be much much much smaller than you think , not the incredible 1000 cubic meter everyone thinks. Basically a 2 floor 2m in height cylinder , with one of the floors non-pressurized .Basically the volume will be something like : pi * radius ^2 * height = 3.14 * 4.5m^2 * 2m = 127 cubic meters .
>>16431677maybe 3 meter in height 3.14 * 4.5m^2 * 3m = 190 cubic meters .
>>16431676which ai is that
>>16431677>Those windows will not exist.
>>16431683Thats a pesky 1.6 - 1.7 m in diameter. The one in the photo looks like its 5 to 10 meters . IMPOSSIBLE
>>16431677>2 floors at 2m highYou are retarded
>>16431658Honestly pics like this >>16431646 would be the simplest way to show the scale. A human is a better reference than another rocket that you haven't seen in person
>>16431628Good work detective. What's your point? F9 would do RTLS every time if they could. And FAA does not distinguish RTLS flights and droneship flights
>>16431676skill issue again
>>16431606Maybe thats why he was so quiet.
>>16431687>What's your point?Erm, skyscraper sized objects ripping massive sonic booms on a daily basis close to where lots of people live?
>>16431686that's a big ship
>>16431652Not to polish an orange turd, but it was only just possible with FH
>>16431691Got a better response from o1.
>>16431685idiot ! , look at this real mockup . its maybe 2 to 2.5m in height . Now imagine it fully circular and below it , the unpressurized cargo area .
>>16431693Used to be a bunch of boomers that lived there, but we've systematically removed them like you would any kind of termite or roach
>>16431640No... What about space mining.... Bros, was it a bad idea the whole time..?
>>16431693erm what the sigma?
>>16431699Dude it's like 10/15 miles from brownsville and south padre Island
was it actually Elon that proposed the idea or someone else?
Incredible new view of the catch from the tower https://x.com/i/status/1845922924315938922
>>16431712love the sound effects
>>16431712Kino
>>16431712Fake
>>16431411Weak mindsetYou need that USA grindset if you want to get anywhere. With that reasoning why even have an H3? Why does japan even desire independent launch capability, when they could just pay SpaceX to send something up on Starship
/sfg/ - Shopped Footage General
>>16431724>USA grindset You mean SpaceX grindset
what's the status of the second tower?
>>16431712
>>16431737this shit is never going to work
arm just whacks the fucking thing lol
>>16431318You need to accept that Europe is already lost in general, not just Ukraine. There's no point in trying to save them.>>16431691Did he also come up with the stacking using the tower and the stainless steel?>>16431712Wow, the hover precision needed for that to even be possible in the first place is crazy.
>>16431737it looks so easy
>>16431387I'd have given you this in 2023, but it's late 2024 anon.Russia simply doesn't have a sufficient superiority in AFVs and artillery anymore. If today all western arms aid stopped (including EU aid), Russia wouldn't be able to mount an offensive to finish taking Donetsk, and even zaphorizha is out.Even if they sell themselves for the entire Nork military. It's just static frontline and trench warfare from here on out.
>/int/ is seething about SpaceXWhy does /int/ get so mad?To quote German anon>You can cope and seethe but it’s literally true. The sole reason spacex exists in the first place is government gibs and bfr and the entire mars meme is so ridiculous that not even china takes it seriously and builds normal rockets instead What spacex is good at is reusability and medium payloads to LEO. There’s been zero major advancements anywhere else and no, „le precise landing but this time it lands on some clamps instead of the ground“ is nothing groundbreakingAlso Portuguese anon>Inst the threads About how amazing mutt progress is while ours is making bottles gayer. And if you really want to argue About rockets a fucking 60 years old soviet design still BTFOs whatever space x is doing. Hell i remember a few years back they bought old soviet engines in bulk because they were much better then anything they made
Another onehttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1845924467966726229
>>16431749Hopper over there just being cute.
>>16431747Another SpaceX thread? I made one yesterday.
>>16431747EU is literally developing an expendable rocket in 2024 lol
>>16431712I wonder what kind of electronics they use to control the step motors, arduino?
>>16431747>why are retards retarded?gee anon, I dunno
>>16431759this is the entire control logic board.
>>16431747isn't /int/ full of /pol/ tier retards?
>>16431764Worse, it's the most normalfag board, full of their cattle-tier opinions.
>>16431757Also, can i remaind you about ... im almost laughing , .... VEGA .... >Lets use 3 stages ....>Aaaand they need to be solid rocket motors, all of them>Barely any payload to orbit>Keeps failing >3 stages solid rocket motors in 2024
>>16431704Sorry sweaty, Starlink is vital to national security :)
>>16431772Might have been a valid argument 20 years ago before everything was retarded.
>>16431759runs of raspberry pie
>>16431757I rather not link the /int/ thread here since its still up on that board, but if you want to argue with them go right ahead. Nearly 200 posts as of right now
>>16431763is that a shunt resistor next to the USB jack? why?
>>16431774Before you were retarded?
>>16429715This guy... the only semi-decent video I've seen from him was when he agreed with Destin on the topic of NASA and Co. doing a piss-poor job at communicating the complexities of the new Artemis mission. Everything musk related and he is just getting a spasmic seizure... Like, dude, take some chill-pills or something.>>16429937I see nothing is safe from rule 34 artists XD
>>16431697>And below itNo, all current airlock mock-ups have it a small section on the same level of as the unpressurised cargo bay.
>>16431759there's a dude with a pair of binoculars and a logitech controller
europa clipper tracker is onlinehttps://eyes.nasa.gov/apps/solar-system/#/sc_europa_clipper
>>16431749Look at that shock wave blast the whole area! How many animals were killed by that!?!?!?!?!? THIS HAS TO STOP
tempered
sound post and /wsg/ post if you don't have the extension>>>/wsg/5707044
>>16431737Are they gonna get rid of the pins and land on the fins?
Five and a half years! I'll be dead by then for sure.
>>16431793Probably best not to land on something with an electric motor attached. The pins aren't that heavy.
>>16431732More or less yeah but I’ll remind you that even with its fuckery, NASA does better missions than ESA or JAXA or POCKOCMOC or India. USA is advanced enough to grift things like Perseverance and still mog everyone else. It’s sort of biting us in the ankle now though with things like MSR. To be seen if China will end up getting the win here, or if USA can do what it has historically done best and ramp-up resources and money and push it over the goal line and get a Mars sample return that is more spectacular than anything China could retrieve
>>16431797The best part is no part, anon
>>16431559>Symphonie back in 1972What? Trying to look info for it, can't find it.
>>16431793Other way around. They were going to land on the fins then realized for many reasons it is a bad idea and went with the lift points instead
Are the ship lift points protected by anything because some parts that were sticking out during reentry looked very red
>>16431747Even if this WERE true, how is it a “gotcha” against SpaceX? I’ve never understood this. If some “““private””” Russian or Chinese company was catching reusable super heavy lift boosters with a tower and pushing people as far out as the Gemini program and building a skyscraper lunar lander it would still be impressive even if they were just a shadow branch of the govt masquerade as some independent company.SpaceX is actually doing these things, and yes while they get hefty contracts from NASA and the DoD and while yes, they probably wouldn’t exist without a bunch of govt contracts early in their history that kept them on life support when they were struggling, they’re still independent and have independent investors and now generate their own money independently. NASA didn’t instruct them to do reusable F9, to build two Super Heavy Lift Rockets, to fly people to orbit outside of NASA programs, etc.
>>16431749>Build launch complex on swampAre they stupid?
>>16431804The guy on stream seemed to think catching the ship is gonna take a lot longer to figure out, I wonder why, seems easy enough
weird how people discuss starlink nowadays when i remember reading about the startups of the late 90s and early 2000s who all tried to start megaconstellations and went bankrupt. i think it was during the initial earth to earth presentation that starlink was announced. i thought they may have gone a bridge too far.
>>16431810KSC is also built on a swamp.
>>16431805They're just big chunks of steel, no help needed.
>>16431768Solid's haven't completely lost their economic case. You just need to be content with small payloads and need a lot of extracurricular work to get the economies of scale moving. India's SSLV is as cheap as it is because it's 99% an Agni V missile with a double-length first stage. If it didn't also have to carry classic Indian bureaucratic and commercial inefficiencies it could have stolen some business from Rocket Lab.
oh so it is uncrewed and i kept reading unscrewed (which is a more common word).
>>16431632>$100/kg (internally)Next gen StarlinksSpaceX funded Mars missions>$1000/kg (external customers)Everything else
>>164317471) Europe hates American success cause we're practically cousins who are outshining them2) Europeans are stagnating and they want to blame everything on Capitalism instead of their own government policies3) Musk represents the best of America and he is seen as a threat to their communist governance4) Endless seething and coping
How likely is it for the regime to try and rewrite the history and give all the credit for space exploration to NASA and the federal govt ? The way it is an "indigenous day" today, they could also one day erase any mentioning of a certain far right figure and just casually mention SpaceX, a small subsidiary that did some work for NASA and the big government.
>>16431838Depends on who wins the election.
>>16430531>10x over budget on a fixed price contractDunning-Kruger
>>16430095>the engines are the most expensive part!Way to show you don't know shit, dude.
>>16431835This is the average eurocuck who hates Musk.
>>16431838He flew too close to the synagogue so he will be intentionally written out of history booksRight now Henry Ford is hardly ever mentioned but his invention of assembly line production and the car and the American middle class industrial worker was considered so revolutionary he was praised worldwide, even by communist and fascist leaders.
>>16430117If the opinions of the real world experts who are accomplishing incredible things seem stupid to you, it's actually because you're stupid, not them.
>>16431810Not very much choice if you don't want people around and being near water
>>16430184>the media who hate elon aren't talking much about his accomplishments, therefore they don't matter!People think we have a good handle on keeping AI aligned to human interests when we haven't even figured out how to get humans to align to human interests.
>>16429735>girlmeatWWW buffalo bill transformers go into asylums
>>16431803Symphonie was going to be the first geostationary communications satellite that wasn't a spin-stabilized soup cap. Having three-axis control using gyroscopes allowed it have a much larger power budget than its competitors, which allowed it have a lot more and more powerful transponders with more communication channels and better signal reception. Unfortunately, it was also supposed to launch on the Europa rocket, which was canned in 1971 after its sixth consecutive test failure. That meant that the satellite team had to go shopping for a launcher, and since the Soviets weren't interested America was the only option in town. This was a problem as the State Department owned a controlling interest in the Intelsat consortium, which owned almost all of the smaller soup cap satellites that Symphonie was about to render obsolete. They got their launch license and Symphonie-A & B were launched on a pair of Delta 2914s in 1974 and 75, but on the condition they not be used for commercial purposes. Europe was so rightfully pissed over this that they got their act together and designed the Ariane 1.
>>16430319>ballistic missiles>in a world with brilliant pebbles
>>16431857Source?
Starship launch was visible from the ISShttps://x.com/sen/status/1845867518679752951
>>16430326>Deorbit burnEZ>Catch shipEZ>Prop transfer (full scale)EZ>Starlink/Pez deploymentEZ>Reflight boosterEZ (may take a few weeks to turnaround at first)>Reflight shipEZ (may take a few weeks etc)>Chomper variantEZ>Tanker variantEZ>Depot variantEZ>Starship V2EZ >Starship V3 (longship?)EZ>Raptor V3EZ>HLS life support/crew cabin, air lock, etcLIFE SUPPORT IS EASYYYY>HLS hot gas thrustersEZ>Landing legs for P2P/Mars/MoonEZ
>>16431790I'm imagining what a multi-flight booster might look like, the pearlescence is going to be kino
>>16431847It'll be harder to do that with Elon because of the successes of SpaceX, Starlink, Starship, Tesla, and Neuralink. He's disrupted way too many sectors and services simultaneously to be written out of history now.
>>16431440>all antisemites do, they believe the sky is a dome and the Earth is only 4k years old and that "We aint descended from no dang monkeys neither!"As an anti-semite this is libel. Eratosthenes was an Aryan genius. Meanwhile over at the synagogue...>The rabbis of the Talmud believed that the world was flat, and that the sun revolved around the Earth every day. There is a debate about the length of the solar year in the Talmud, and its consequences and the rare Jewish ceremony of the Blessing of the Sun (Birkat Hahammah) are discussed. The view of the talmudic rabbis is contrasted with that of the contemporary Greek astronomers. While the rabbis of the Talmud argued about the size of the flat Earth, the Greeks had determined the Earth to be a sphere, had calculated its circumference and had moved on to consider other questions.https://academic.oup.com/book/1751/chapter-abstract/141387578?redirectedFrom=fulltext
>>16431455>doesn't know about metastable helium
What will stop SpaceX from simply putting a fully fueled falcon upper stage and its payload for these kinds high energy missions? Could probably get a direct transfer to Titan with Dragonfly that way.
>>16431886it's not that easy in rocketry
>>16431857Interesting history. Thanks
>>16431860https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonie>1972: The failure of the Europa II launch vehicle and the abandonment of the program (which had been led by the ELDO) triggers a crisis; it is uncertain if development should continue or, if so, how the satellites will be deployed. After some governmental hesitation, the program continues. The satellites will be launched by the American Thor Delta 2914 satellite-launch vehicles, at the cost of a restrictive agreement; any commercial use of Symphonie is forbidden by the U.S. State Department.The Wikipedia article is pretty bloodless (and I think ESL'ed from a foreign language fork) when it turns the controversy into a footnote. If you want to read all the seething and fist-shaking and furious promises of revenge you've got to dig into some published accounts of the early history of the ESA and the development of Ariane.
>>16431886Uhmm rockets aren't Lego! Why? Because I say so!
Peeps, why isn't SpaceX sending Starships and whatnot already to Mars, with food and whatnot?They can stay there, waiting, until the first humans get there.
>>16431895They still need to test whether they can refuel a starship or else they won't have the fuel to make it to the moon or mars. Ie IFT7 and IFT8
>>16431891They are not and spacex learned it with fh
"Needless to say, I had the last laugh"
>>16431908"they all laughed at me""well they're not laughing now"
>>16431659Sexy ass fucking rocket WHEW I love her
>>16431649You can't afford $20,000, fatty
>>16431898I see. Ty ty
>>16431393I mean for connecting the station modules themselves. You'd still want smaller ports on the end to dock spacecraft. Pic relatedObviously using the same port everywhere allows you to configure it in any order, but it's not that hard to just plan your launches to construct it in a certain order.
What provides electricity in the rocket? Just batteries?
>>16431933No one involved has the money or time to design and prove a new port standard. SpaceX has, but a new bigger port isn't necessary for Mars.
My Boomer dad says everyone thought the space shuttle was going to be the le reusable cheap LEO machine, but obviously that wasn't the caseI hope we see the same starship booster launch twice in one week at some point soon. It's the only way to dispel the fears of expensive refurbishment process
>>16431474And what would this be good for, space laser #36825?
>>16431939I'd say so yeah
noone involved in the shuttle program would have thought it was going to be cheap or reinvent anythingand naturally government programs don't reduce costs, they have budgets that they need to spend
whatever SpaceX does internally to design, implement, and test software needs to be studied. The kind of avionics they pull off first try always astound me, even in the face of hardware failure.
>>16431954>first tryThey've admittedly had a bit of practice from landing F9 for some time now. Doesn't make the tower landing any less impressive.
>>16431941>everyone thoughtIt was what it was sold as to everyone. Of course they thought it.
the software is like the easiest part of it all
>>16431960tell that to boeing
>>16430890not spaceflight
>>16431949>they have budgets that they need to spendThis is something most people don't understand. If budgets from the state don't get spent, they get less funding the next fiscal year, so they throw it away on whatever in the end.>>16431961Boing had more hardware issues on the shitliner than that programming errors. To be expected from a program they don't actually want to continue since it's bleeding money for them.
>>16431954Leadership molds the company. The one that needs to be studied is Musk. Berger's books are great side effect analysis. But you still see some aspects of how Musk operates from time to time. Like when F1 was being launched, Musk was thinking about how to acquire material parts for Falcon 9, even in the middle of the launch countdown. This left some of the guys confused as to why Musk wasn't "in the moment". Musk not only has a "long term" vision but also is actively involved in all process of acquisition of resources, which he offloads to his lieutenants to carry out his orders. Critics accuse musk of only hiring "yes men" but Musk only hires "yes men" because they get the job done. The orders are to be either 1) followed 2) ask Musk/other how to do so. Not "NOOOO IT CAN BE"
>>16431954Many have described SpaceX as a software company that just happens to have good hardware lol. Obviously a bit of an exaggeration (don’t discount material design miracles from raptor, building intense pressure tanks out of sheet metal with silly little welds, etc) but the point of the saying is to emphasize the 2000 IQ coding that they are capable of
Booster before and after catch
>>16431075Because there's a not particularly old woman with heavy makeup and obviously styled hair who has a very emotive expression on her face and a lot of her skin is visible.The lighting is probably a factor, too.
>>16431968Slightly annealed and mildly battered. I worry about about the engine bells that went all wonky and if it'll influence their re-entry profile or eat the loss in added weight.
>>16431968looks completely fine, refuel and go again!
>>16431968Gonna be parked outside in the Starbase as a tourist attraction. Fucking thing is a history maker
>>16431968The lack of soot really is something to behold
what's the chance that spacex kills a crew in artemis?
>>1643197650/50
>>16431976Fairly low since NASA are absolute safety cucks and won't let anyone onto one until it's been tested out the arse.
>>16431976an artemis crew? 0eventually? 100
>>16431968Are they gonna park this one outside Starbase like they did in Hawthorne?
>>16431983Put it next to the Saturn V in Houston
https://x.com/GeorgieC/status/1845877111136903368After seeing the Starship launch and the Superheavy catch, Falcon Heavy launch here seems bit underwhelming
They're publishing new views from the Starship launch:https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1845954868978372650https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1845958325948895425
>>16431929heh, with all the fog I thought this was a snowy Russian launch image!
https://x.com/rfa_space/status/1845808087594365287>Congratulations to @SpaceX, what an incredible feat of engineering! Mars, here we come.>At the same time, the coin has a second side: it shows and confirms that #Europe has completely lost touch. Can it still catch up? No chance. At least not the way things are going at the moment.>...>What we need immediately and systematically are state anchor customers, substantial investment, and a framework that allows and promotes unbureaucratic, fast and risk-taking development.
>>16431418>This mentality is why they are a vassal state of AmericaIt's primarily because they were conquered and an occupation government was installed. The pre-war Japanese were extremely competitive and warlike, so you can't blame their defeat and utlimately the occupation on this mentality either.
>>16431534>Giga Vance : I believe the destiny of this country is to rape the stars. Whatever your views of Elon's politics, this is something that should inspire all of us.Are you happy now?
>>16431593Elon was talking about Jeff Who!?
>>16431968Still looks great apart from the chunk out of that strake.
>>16431990
>>16431990.
>>16431976I'd be more worried about the Orion portions of the mission
>>16431958How does know starship is different?This might be a really easy question, i just have no context for shuttle hype so I can't compare
>>16431747It's common to many delusional people: their situation is so bad that if they accepted the truth they would simply lay down and die.So instead they tell themselves it's not really true and that things are really much better, and they violently reject any suggestion to the contrary.
Why did scott say this?https://files.catbox.moe/i60vvy.mp3
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1845966756579627167THIS FUCKING CAM VIEW
>>16432031>How does know starship is different?Gut instinct.
>>16431941Its called Falcon 9. Its already 1/10th to 1/20th the cost of Shuttle launch per KG and launches more than shuttle. When Starship gets rolling, the scales are gonna go bonkers.
>>16432040
>>16432040Fuck yeah baby this is awesome
>>16432040OhhhhI finally understand how catching works. It actually looks much simpler than I thought. I used to think it's aiming for some hole.
>>16432046Dampeners/cushins are great
>>16432046Unbelievable!!!
>>16432046kinda bounces a little
>>16432051The arms/tower shake a bit, I wonder if they'll try guidewires like a big radio antenna?
>>16432046the shaking on the gridfins is so violent. if we saw this on falcon it would never make it. the shaking cant be good for reusability
>>16432059falcon 9 flew back with molten gridfins
>>16432059The shaking will get worse since they want to remove one or even two gridfins.
Any idea if the chopsticks were remotely controlled by an operator or the whole process was fully automatic based on some sensors and radio communication between the tower and the booster?
>>16431939probably solar panels plus charge controllers and LiPo batteries.
>>16432071100% automatic
>>16432071Both booster and chopsticks were manually controlled with an Xbox controller. Booster right thumbstick, chopsticks left.
>>16432071Elon personally controlled them via Kinect.
>>16432081Now I want to play a game on the Playstation 2 Eyetoy where you swing your arms together at the right moment to catch the on-screen booster.
>>16432071
>>16432066but they werent shaking
>>16432081No he used his phone. That's why he was glued to it during the landing.That's also why he has so many sons. When starship cadence ramps up, they will assist him
Now I want to build a miniature replica.I am thinking of a small quadcopter with a dildo attached to it. it will slowly descend towards the tower with two servo powered arms that would sense the dildo and grab on it. I am going to sketch some diagrams
>>16432067removing fins is a great path to lower dry mass. im skeptical they can get away with just 2 fins but would be cool if they could
>>16432079>>16432081unironically, you obviously can't control the booster but manually operating the catching arms is feasible. not that it is a great idea, but i can't see why it couldn't be attempted just for fun. it doesn't have to be a split second reaction, so a good gamer would probably manage to activate the arms at the right moment.
>>16432071lmao imagine if they were actually manually controlled and someone having the job of pressing a button with the right timing otherwise the comnpany loses hundreds of millions of dollars
>>16432096would have to be Elon himself. he could do it!
>>16431954It's just a couple of PID loops
>>16432097he streams his d4 gameplay, he isnt good at pressing buttons
Someone would have to catch Elon.
>>16431954Motherfuckers are extremely secretive about their designs. They could have published their code on github and also hardware designs with schematics and gerber files and open source everything the way they did it with Tesla.
>>16432103ITAR
>>16431971Who needs round engine bells anyway. Just launch again. It'll be fiiine.
>>16432108theyll buff out
>>16431971the booster is overweight and has higher length to width than was planned in the orignal ITS back when the plan for no entry burn was made. the primary reason they thought they could skip an entry burn was because ofhow wide starship iscomparedto falcon, but at this point the difference isnt so big
>>16432095>you obviously can't control the boosterWrong
>>16432095>you obviously can't control the boosterYou can'tI canSame vibes as people saying you can't solo control a tank. I do it every day in sims lok
>>16429735literally everybody in that thread including the op are troon communist furries. thank god those people arent going to be involved in space colonization
Can someone give me plausible ideas on how to build a habit pressure vessel with ISRU on mars/the moon that actually can hold 1/2 atm of pressure and doesn’t require an on site steel mill or textile factory?
>>16429875if trump gets in again nasa wont care about overrelying on spacex
>>16429883the issues are all easily fixable and unlike falcon 9 starship is designed from the ground up for reuse so that is a poor comparison
>>16430985isn't that what Blue Origin/ULA plan to do long term?
>>16432122Cut blocks of stone and stack them.
Man I hope Raptor 3 is going well, it feels like a lot of problems ride on being solved by it.
>>16430117the raped
>>16430117>dare criticize SpaceX as a corporation and its shitty ownerYour opinion is incorrect, discarded.
>>16432100doesn't he have a WR or something
>>16430433this is outdated as hell because V1 will probably be retired by flight 7
>>16432131>poor comparisonyou really don't know that falcon 9 was also designed from the ground up to be reused?there is even a video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWFFiubtC3c
>>16431811tiles could be damaged from contact
>>16431817night time launch would be so kino
>>16432025damn, what an angle! Looks like the super heavy came out of a wormhole for the landing
>>16431318who gives a fuck whether the slavic shitholes over there are ruled by oligarchs from moscow or oligarchs from kyiv
Did any /sfg/gers show up to that meetup? It was like 4AM at SPI Denny’s. I didnt go because that sounded like a recipe for getting a knife in your neck as well as being highly federal.
>>16432174Why are /sfg/ pastey anons such pussies lol
>>16431989You are a dumb nigga if you don't know how significant the Europa Clipper launch is.
>>16432179He's got a bit of EDS. His "anxiousness" is EDS leaking. You're too stupid to understand that. There's a worlds different from a brand new rocket system doing a once thought impossible and a proven and reliable rocket system doing proven things.
>>16432176>just let me doxx/murder you bro
>>16432187Ehh... It's kinda justified, any fuckup at any point (either launch or deployment) means $5bn+ and a decades worth of effort just going up in smoke. I'd be pretty anxious too
>>16432201No, you're just retarded and trying to cope. A reliable system is reliable. Regardless of $1 payload or $10 trillion payload.
>click on NSF video>see thisno thanks
>>16432206I know right? Beards are so ugly
>>16432206reminds me of that blacked meme with the single chick surrounded by the guys
>>16432213Thats a man you porn brained coomer retard.
>>16432216yeah, and?
>>16432215what does vov stand for?
>>16432220vague orifice (vagina)
1 billion video plays 8 billion impressions1 million posts
>>16432218the mexicans that welded this section are the payload for the next flight
>>16432230>8 billion impressionsSo, more or less everyone alive saw it? Idk what "impressions" is.
>>16432231kek
>>16432233A post is viewed or interacted with via repost, like, etc. I think.
>>16432174I made the 4 AM at Denny's post. I never had any intention of going to Denny's. I did watch the launch near a fat guy with some kind of anime shit on his t-shirt, though, so I guess that was basically an /sfg/ meetup.
>>16432236Sounds like a weird skewed sort of metric to me, but even so it's probably representative of a fuckton of people no matter what.
>>16432220Vent-off valve? My best guess
>>16432237>I made the 4 AM at Denny's post. I never had any intention of going to Denny's.Based. I was bored sitting in my car at like 3 and couldn't sleep because of how muggy it was, so I was going to walk to Denny's but decided against it in case I encountered a meetup.
>>16432247>"real men arent andrew tate, they're samwise gamgee"
What will Muskrats do when Drumpf loses and Momala nationalizes SpaceX and brings back the Shuttle?
>>16432240>more than $1000 trillion to build a city on mars using oldspace numbershuh, surreal, but makes sense. in my mind I was always used to the cost of just a couple of flag-and-footprints mission, which I'd estimate at around 2-10 trillion usd in total, all this using oldspace architecture. if you wanna go even further beyond and build a large settlement, call it a city, then it just becomes impossible as it would for sure surpass the global GDP at such rate.
>>16432254Just say quadrillion, this fuckhead always gets on my nerves
>>16432247My wife cried, and she doesn't give a shit about space. I pretty much had to drag her down there, and spent the entire trip berating her with unprompted rocket facts. It really was a spectacular and visceral event though, from launch to catch, and it is very easy to get caught up in the emotion of the crowd.
>>16432254>big thing impossible because moneySometimes despite my most fervent desires I wonder whether or not humanity deserves to colonize the stars.
>>16432257Are you the same guy who gets angry on here then beats his kids up.
>>16432081>>16432083wait a moment. i didn't post this. somebody else is posting on sfg from the same location as me lol.
Wen Haumea probe
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1845966756579627167Catch from the booster's perspective. Picture perfect and dead center on the rail too! 0.5cm landing accuracy is right!
>>16432264guess theres another person who posts on sfg at my university... great i guess?
>>16432264Anon attended the /sfg/ meetup I bet. You see why I dont go to these things?
>>16432240so given that these are elon numbers we think the real values will be what, 10 trillion to get a mars colony to roughly self sustaining?
>>16432270What state? Also you two little fags need to do a meetup.
>>16432108this, won't the force of the exhaust re-round the bells?
>>16432268watching the sonic boom shockwaves travel across the condensation mist from the fuel farm feed lines that bleed through the ground and cover the waters of the conservation area is cool as fuck
>>16432259No. I beat my kids because of their own personal failings, not my losing internet arguments. Also, the word I was looking for is 'harangue' not 'berate.'
>>16432247 yikes
>>16431737Huh, so they did have a single engine fail to light.
>>16432277Why do you beat your children you monster.
>>16432279No, it lit. It just burned out after its initial landing burn was complete.
>>16432203Yeah, but even reliable systems fail eventually. Either way it's not EDS in the sense he's wondering why they're even using FH but more in the sense that he hopes everything goes well.
>>16432281Got any other views of it lit before this? I'd imagine it would still be spewing burning propellant if it had.
>>16432173>oligarchs from kyivthey are in Tel Aviv for the duration of the war
>>16432254Although I'm still unsure as to what an extent oldspace could actually "build" a city on Mars. Imagine a timeline like in the movie The Martian, where NASA and heritage contractors somehow wake up during the early 2000s, congressmen start actually giving a little bit of shit about space, and the race is on. Spend couple of trillions here and there, and you end up with a small base on Mars in the early 20s. Suppose the budget never decreases and missions are not cancelled à la Apollo, then what's next? Spam the ever living shit of the Earth atmosphere with thousands of Ares V till getting a million tons on the Martian surface? Sure, that could inflate the total cost to at least 100 trillion usd? But I don't see how the cost rate wouldn't just go down after so much cadence from this point onwards. Notice that I assumed a worst-case scenario where space technology stayed the same, no new R&D, NTR, etc. The amount of grift and incompetence necessary to reach a 1-quadrillion-usd figure would be unbelievable, I don't know if that level of grift is even possible in the real world lol. Point is, Musk is using current numbers, which are way worse, and assumes that they are static as a form of comparison (nothing wrong with that), so he can show the dire state of the space industry as of today.
>>16432247All 3 of these posts are retarded
>>16432215The FAA makes them wait so long between flights they have to label what stuff is on the ship so they don't forget
>>16432286You need to go back >>>/pol/
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1846025079789883639>SpaceX is preparing to launch a pair of Falcon 9 rocket missions overnight with a total of 43 Starlink satellites between them. Starlink 10-10 and Starlink 9-7 will mark the 95th and 96th Falcon 9 rockets launched in 2024.SpaceX never sleepshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6jFNc9suELive in 60 minutesT-2:00:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpBv4YHFPXMLive in 4 hoursT-4:30:00
>>16432265Wait in line, haumeacuck, Eris and Dysnomia are more important.
>>16432306>with a total of 43 Starlink satellites between them. Starlink 10-10 and Starlink 9-7 will mark the 95th and 96th Falcon 9 rockets launched in 2024.Holy smokes that's a lot. The rate of acceleration is crazy, NASA BTFO
>>16432311Post your own Space Engine gif then or YWNGTE, or any KBO for that matter
>>16432274austria
>>16432319ew. get back to your turd world uni then and dont tell us again.
>>16432253>I MAED POOPY PANTS! BLUMPF!!!
>>16432253>nationalizes SpaceXThats just NASA, the US gov already have a space admin
just watched the europa clipper stream and it's embarrassingly old space even if it is using a SpaceX rocketespecially hearing the announcer say the views were brought by ground stations right before the video cuts out
>>16432247Based Scott
>>16432247ngl I teared up a bit
https://youtu.be/5GjOuqAlFEkAn unfortunate opinion shared my codyTldr: Mars should be a nature preserve with absolutely no human contact for the foreseeable future, maybe a hundred years. Until we can be sure there's no life
I don't think any future Starship flights will match the same level of sheer excitement anymore after seeing the first tower catch. Well I suppose apart from an actual Mars landing, but that won't be live streamed. There's still the ship catch, but now it seems so doable, after seeing that the tower contraption actually works smoothly
>>16432336What if there is life but I want to dominate it?
>>16432185Soon we will have a launch cadence this quick
>>16432336How about we instead throw you and him under IFT-6 and have you double grilled with the landing, and then dump your charred husks on Mars just to spite you?
>>16432322wasn't me. alaska. i actually saw one of the kodiak launch attempts lol
>>16432337Theres a difference between orbital insertion and landing and what the Boosters do.
>>16432336no surprise. he has EDS. comment section is horrific and filled with anti colonization fags
>>16432343Oh wait thats right we have an Alaskanon I forgor about that
>>16432349yeah. guess we have two now lol
>>16432336I like codyslab but his take is cringe
>>16432336just like how musk wanted to launch a greenhouse to mars, someone has to launch literal human excrement to mars to kill planetary protection once and for all
>>16432346On the other hand the ship has done successful water landings already, so we know that it can do it. Then you just do it into the chopsticks
>>16432337mars will have it's own starlink constellation before people even get therethe landing will be live streamed for all
>>16432356You are retarded. There is no point in wasting Starships on Starlinks for Mars. Each one takes 14 Earth Starship launches. Just set up a factory on Mars and save money on fuel retard, even less gravity and brings jobs to Martian colony.
https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/1845969722212540601
>>16432358I can imagine the job listings on X for Mars Starlink jobsI assume a relocation package would be included
>>16432360But ofcourse, the money saved on fuel usage in making the constellation is worth much more than that spent on transporting some employees.
>>16432336>Mars should be a nature preserve with absolutely no human contactREQUEST DENIED
>>16432365>he thinks its a requestKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
Muskrats be like>we should just take all the racist white people>AND PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE (mars)
>>16432336Scientists and academics are holding back science and academia
>>16432370>>16432368
>>16432371Academicists. Someone didnt pass 8th grade english class!
>>16432373No I passed, I'm actually fairly smart
>>16432373Nobody cares. Even academics say academics these days.
>>16432373https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwUDt79qSZk
>>16432336Yeah a couple monkeys is gonna wipe out the entire Mars biosphere. The hubris lmao. Just don't go to Mars until every square milimeter on and under the surface is searched. >wait 100 years Does this guy work for JPL?>nuke the first human landing site on mars to sterilize it>good ideawhat the fuck is this guy smoking
>>16432336I hate crabs so much it's UNREAL bros
>>16432390Ywngts and you will be happy
>>16432373They're faggots i'm not gonna call them a fancy name
>>16432336He's a closet leftist with a weak personality and his gf was right to leave him.>>16432352His channel is interesting and well made but I dislike him personally
>>16432353ISRO is on the job
>>16432358SLS can launch starlinks to Mars as its final mission
>>16432400SIRRR, dont forget to close the hatch this time!
>>16432336
>>16432401Humiliation ritual but roggets
Sirs we are almost at 4 legitimate /sfg/s at once post moar images
have the jannies just stopped enforcing page 10 staging
Fram2 NET spring 2025
>>16432415Image limit staging, nigger. They enforced page 10 during the last IFT when someone spammed fake /sfg/s, PRE IMAGELIMIT AND PAGE 10. Accept the fact that image limit staging is, has and always will be legitimate. Just because youre a newfag who wasnt here for IFT-4 doesnt mean you know everything.
>>16432417To clarify, IFT-5 they enforced, this anon was also clearly not here for IFT-4
>>16432416why the delay? there's no way it got delayed for 6 months because of (((weather))), so what's the real reason?
>>16432402>SIRRRlmao, i didn't sleep too much and thought for a second there that was the name of some new indian rocket, considering how they usually name them: SLV, GSLV. PSLV, etc
Reject 30m solar panelsEmbrace RTG
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>>16432423SIR - Space Indian Rocket, Super Indian Rocket, or something like that
>>16431811the hard part is getting permission to bring it back in over populated areas, you don't want a repeat of the Columbia disaster with people picking up pieces of Starship from all over Texas
>>16432374Somewhere Lily is smirking
>>16432239Yes, it's a bullshit metric made up by marketers.
>>16432336I am a longtime Cody fan, this is funny to me because he even made one of those stupid "pick me for Mars" videos when that Mars colony thing was there, hes been so obsessed with going he wanted to build and setup a simulation at his new land even.. it's funny how he's saying be careful, now that we are actually here
>>16432358Do you have any fucking idea how many more flights you would need to build a factory that can turn dirt into satellites you unbelievable retard
>>16432358>brings jobs to Martian colonyBrings jobs to a place with an endless labor shortage?? Holy fuck dude
>>16432359A real winner in showing Starlink's maturity. Just 20ms outage out of 66 mins of entire flight in space.
>>16432337I think you're hard underselling the spectacle of the ship catch. The drama of re-entry into belly flop into flip vertical, hover, and catch will completely mog the booster catch. The belly flop into flip is especially iconic and I think it's what will eventually supplant the Shuttle with Starship in the general public's imagination when they think of 'space'.
>>16429715>steal this look
>>16432424>PicWouldn't that be an RPRTG
