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>there are now 4 sfg in the catalog at oncehuh
>makes new thread about a probe that won't be there for years instead of the hot news of the week
>>16432432Image limit staging, quit your bitching its always been legitimate>>16432433Literally the last two threads have been IFT-5 related. If you want a whole week of IFT-5 only OPs just say the word.
>>16432432That plus 1000+ reply launch thread. It's indeed been an event.
>>16432432We just witnessed history being made. It's to be expected.
Two seater MMU?
spacex is going to need alot more launch pads soon
Did you guys buy your patches?
>>16432435He is right, this whole week should be either OFT-5 or Europa Clipper
>>16432446Fuck off troon
>>16432446and the shirt
>>16432446things i will spend money on>kpop>anime>video gamesthings i will never spend money on>youtube donations>space *merch*
Is it safe to assume the FAA is going to play nice from here on out?
>>16432459no
Nope,Not getting out of this chair.
>>16432459no lol
I've reached out to the moderation team, hopefully they come and do something about your reckless faggot staging when they wake up
>>16432459well they did get toldthis is from SpaceXs blanket starship launch license
>>16432467https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF0MsE0miXAreminder that Courage's parents were sent into space :(
>>16432463At least we'll have Pete on standby
>>16432435it has never been legitimate lol
>>16432432gee /sfg/ how come hiro lets you have FOUR threads?
>>16432459maybe. i feel like biden-harris are trying to lure people over. we see swing states like michigan and georgia leaning towards voting for trump. and now we have things THAAD going to defend israel and kamala going on joe rogan. i could see the FAA being told to give spacex leeway until the election is over. if kamala wins then the clamp down will begin in earnest. if trump wins then the leeway will continue. either way, october could be safe for spacex.
>>16432443It's honestly sad that the gov is giving tax payer money to a private space company instead of just giving it to NASA to accomplish everything that SpaceX is.
>>16432483NASA hasn't accomplished squat in 30 yearswould be a waste of moneynothing but dried up old space
will nasa even be around in 30 years?
>>16432446Yes!>>16432454official spacex merch is based tho
>>16432490Of course. NASA will be performing ACTUAL science while SpaceX tries to turn a profit on the back of taxpayers.
We're doin anal tonight!
>>16432490if so hopefully just doing like 1 probe to an outer planet per decade plus 1 Hubble/JWST tier scope launch per and just enough budget to cover both
>>16432446I got two different shirts. The torch seemed tempting, but I don't have any use for it.
>>16432482what does kamala have against spacex? other than elon supporting trump.
>>16432505I got the spacex laser etch stainless steel wall art. pricey but so fuckin cool
So how much Δv will a fully refueled vacuum-spec'd Starship in LEO have?
>>16432511Not enough
>>16432511enough for Mars
How is starship going to store cryogenic fuel for the trip to Mars long term?
>>16432511depends on how much payload it has
>>16432523Active refrigeration with solar power and radiators. LOX and LCH4 aren't LH2, they're easy enough to keep chilled and contained.
SPEHS>BFR WAS A BETTER NAME AND I'M TIRED OF PRETENDING IT'S NOT.
>>16432533frfr no cap
>>16432535Ong blud spittin fax
Now that the dust has settled, when will IFT-5 be considered a failure?
>>164325572 days ago when it exploded in the Indian ocean lol
>>16432557It certainly didn't cure cancer
>>16432557It's your job to proves that it wasn't,and if I don't like your answer you lose, back to square zero
Hawk Tuah on #DearMoon?
Hack tuah
>>16432264Are you American?
Will we ever get a model kit of Starship?
>>16432563See >>16432558
>>16432573Just get a cardboard mailing tube and paint it silver. That's it.
reminder we're entering a golden age of space warfare
>>16432459I think the FAA (Dems by proxy) gave IFT-5 the approval last minute just so the media could have a field day on Musk when the booster would eventually miss the tower and explode. But everything went better than even SpaceX expected and it gave Musk another popularity boost, which is insanely funny
>>16432566>kitHot
>>16432618L U N A B U R N SUNABURNShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bct3MwkxE0Y
Anyone have the wrbm for the booster onboard view of the catch?
>>16432625>>16432046
>https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1846122296508875258More Starlink
>>16432432
>>16432632I just can't get enough of how fucking stupid all of this sounds and looks but yet it works>lmao let's catch it on chopsticks on a big ass tower and hope it just doesn't strike it at Mack 4>Also it's just standing on two 17cm brackets>Yeah it's steered by a bunch of shaky grids tooI love it so much
>>16432490
how did they get away with it?
lol, one retard is having a meltdown because stonetoss reposted his video about thunderfoot
>>16432432newfags, crossboarders, and the retards that enable them in the m*d "team"people not only don't lurk, they actively view the idea with distaste as if they're some kind of fucking crusader bringing the glorious culture of threads being bumped off after limit within a day instead of weeks or months, spamming their faggot fucking images from whatever hellscape social media they come from, off topic garbage, and complete lack of knowledgeThey take pride in asking the same question that's been asked (and answered by equally retarded anons) each thread, several times a threadI vote we simply execute newfags
>>16432645Is anyone even posting in the other 3 threads?Too lazy to follow them all.The webcast of Europa Clipper was the shittiest one so far. What the fuck happened to NASA? Now they are a role model for... uneducated browns? NASA should STFU completely during the launch, remain totally silent and let SpaxeX handle it, until the deployment is complete, then hand it off to the payload owner.Why the fuck were they using that antique data system on the most important Falcon Heavy ever? And then they kept talking about it, how they can only manage 20 kb/s, sometimes blacked out completely, then had to fire up some old analog tube amp they salvaged from a junk 70s CRT TV they found, and wait to acquire signal. NASA is really that bad? No telemetry and terrible views, when they simply could have used Starlink, until DSN was needed. The whole webcast left a shitty taste in my mouth, something here is NOT right.
>Musk tweeting that they plan ship catch ("full stack reuse") in 2025even if they only catch the first ship in the first half of 2026 that's pretty crazy. Even for Artemis I had assumed they'd just be mass producing expendable ships for filling the depot
4 SpaceX launches in 3 days, must be a record!
Whatever happened to BLC1?There's been a bunch of tabloid articles published recently about a new documentary that will claim it was a technosignature after all, but from what I've read the group that discovered it was convinced it was a nothingburger. https://archive.is/TBCXXWere there some new developments I missed, or is this just griftoids rehashing old news?
>>16432433Has thunderf00t coped about this yet?
>>16432661Other threads hit image limits so the only people posting there are only likely doing so accidentally. Thread splitting is dumb when it’s a pre-page 10 thing but image limit is more acceptable. /sfg/ is busy rnYes I agree. But the real redpill is that even SpaceX streams suck at their core. They have some troon who manually cycles through the different camera angles and the graphics department sucks. SpaceX just happens to have HD cameras and cool shit to look at. But the presentation could be way better.Yes NASA broadcasts are fucking awful. No one understands the art of public engagement via a good presentation; all these gen x and millennial producers know is trinkets and buzzwords and playing it safe and there’s no soul to any of it
>>16432533Yeah but normalfags took the double entendre/doom reference poorly.
>>16432573No, because Starship is a private rocket by a private entity with associated trademarks/copyrights. Shuttle, and every other rocket before was public domain.
>>16432674They had long lasting video glitches, lag, and huge problems on the sound board, shit video production all around, not to mention the bad cameras and even in space, using a clearly inferior data system when its a Starlink-equipped launch vehicle.. None of the speakers sounded prepared or qualified, except a few mission managers, the enthusiasm was clearly staged, and its was all incredibly dumbed down so much, I guess this was targeted to recent migrants, women, and blacks who believe math and science is racist and misogynistic. Its politically forced NASA suicide, I cant stand it anymore.
>>16432681it would have been better to call the whole stack “ITS” or “BFR,” and then refer to the booster as SH and the upper stage as SS.I’m not a fan of both the full rocket being called “Starship” and the upper stage being called “Starship”. Having to specify which SS you are talking about is annoying
Mega Moon Rocket
So what is the best way to hold a large satellite at L1 long term while a plasma sail onboard is being impinged by the solar wind?
>>16432672>It's behind scheduleHe's running out of material but due to the number of viewers with EDS, it doesn't really matter if he has anything rational to say or not.
>>16432693>L1between which two bodies?
https://www.shipbyairship.comTalked to an anon here about this recently>No passengers so no Hindenburg panic>New materials better at minimizing H leaks>Hydrogen easy to make from water+electricity, even in transit
>>16432699Also can blimps work on mars?
>>16432697Mars-Sun or Venus-Sun
>>16432573Estes has a flyable Falcon 9, so a Starship likely will be available at some point. Probably will have to wait for the design to be more stable. They've long sold multistage model rockets so a version with the booster is also likely. Parachute return instead of powered landing is almost guaranteed.
>>16432620Problem for them is that they keep drinking their own Kool-Aid and truly believe the consensus inside their bubble can determine reality. Just look at Phil Mason and his "Debris field guaranteed" video. He was sure everything would go to shit because he has spent the last five years convincing himself of a narrative based on wishes instead of reality.
>>16432336not even NASA PPO has this opinionif this retard knew anything about them he'd know they very much want to send people there within 20 years to study the effects for sciencewe can do both, pretending otherwise is false choice dichotomy>>16432435nobody fucking cares about the image limitstop posting twitter screencaps and pepe ffs
>>16432716Just stop talking about it like a retard. It's obvious the last morons just spammed for funni.
Maybe kyplanet isn't as cringe as I thought...
>>16432720bro do you have a parasocial relationship with this guy or something?
>>16432671It was a technosignature but it just turned out to be a boring early-industrial civilisation, pretty pathetic.
>>16432533I preferred ITS best of all>Interplanetary>Transfer>ShipIt's perfect
>>16432723Just saw it while looking through eager space's (who I do have a parasocial relationship with) replies.
>>16432699wtf are those little balls on the back?
>>16432699based
>>16432720How is point 2 and 4 wrong?
>>16432738point 2 is wrong, starship has only been in development for like 6 or 7 years and is already test launching.4 is right but like it's really stupid cause it'll just disappear when starship is fully reusable.
>>16432661A certain previous president made outreach to "browns" a top priority for NASA and it seems to have accomplished that goal.
>>16432743Yeah, and it also accomplished goal 2, have a complete user base of fags on sci
>>16432643
>>16432700Since everyone else ignored you,The Martian atmosphere is primarily composed of carbon dioxide (around 95%), with smaller amounts of nitrogen (around 2.7%) and argon (around 1.6%). The atmospheric pressure on Mars is approximately 610 Pascals (Pa), which is significantly lower than Earth's, representing less than 1% of Earth's sea-level pressure.For a blimp to work, it must be lighter than the surrounding atmosphere. You can do it with the lightest gasses H2 and He, and heat, but the buoyant force and lifting power is going to be very small, even with a huge and very thin, light balloon. So to answer your question, yes, but kinda not practical. Not enough atmosphere to lift mass efficiently.
>>16432745And to be fair, that same president is the one who signed the law (Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act of 2015) opening up commercial space flight as we know it now.
>>16432746Not too bad. Could see that as corporate wallpaper.
>>16432750Started by Bush, as before 2004 NASA was keeping private spaceflight effectively illegal, and also began restricting the FAA regulation overreach that would put into a chokehold any private efforts
I would love to know how reusable raptor actually is.Also ICEchads vVINDICATED. Looks like SpaceX improved the ICE filtration in the tanks, and guess what??... IT WORKED
>>16432426Is Europa clipper still flying witha lander, or was that canned?
>>16432756there's still a mass and reuse turnaround time penalty, as the water ice will melt and end up as a liquid that won't vent out like everything else in the tank>>16432757clipper was never going to have a lander, but is supposed to be scouting out landing locations for a future mission (probably not landing before we're all living in retirement homes)
>>16432735Propellers is my guess. For attitude control.pic unrelated from Mars Perserverance
>>16432758>clipper was never going to have a landerSHIT! its over.
>>16432490Depends on whether or not they fill their ranks with former SpaceX.
>>16432758i have no idea how they propose to drain the tanks. getting the insides of your engines wet seems like recepie for steam explosions
>>16432358>>16432753>>16432754
>>16432765>muh jerbsPeople on mars are not gonna be short on jobs.
>>16432764ULA sniper on retainer
>>16432511Around ~8300m/s with a 100mt payload on board. Which would be able to get you to a direct transfer to Saturn. This with all the landing gear and heat shield.If you want to make some deep space starship with no landing gear, sea level raptors nor a heat shield you would reach perhaps reach 9000m/s for a 100mt payload which could just barely make you able to launch into a direct transfer to Neptune under an ideal launch window.
>>16432758>>16432764What's wrong with having a small drain at the lowest point of the tank (or 3 symmetrically)? Pump in some hot water, wait 5 minutes, pull the plug, water washes away into the marshes. The FAA, FWS, EPA and SaveRGV cry out as one and are silenced. Close the drain, purge it with inert gas and retank.Yeah it adds 5 minutes to the tanking operation, big deal. Heat exchanger probably still better.
>>16432766i worry that lots of people who have the money to go to mars will be ones that dont want to work, they just want to live a lavish semi-adventurous lifestyle while expecting everyone else to do the work.>have money>think mars is cool>go to mars>expect to be a youtuber while raising a garden and going hiking>collect easy money and have fun
>>16432765>people smart enough to find and post in this thread complaining about 14 fully reusuable starship launches being "too many" or "a waste" for a single fully loaded starship to mars low orbityou guys still don't get it
>>16432773how do you get all the water to boil away after the inside of the tank has been filled with ice and then boiling water? or do you just tolerate water pollution in the tanks every flight?
>>16432773now guarantee that plug can be built into a ring without compromising structural or tank stability during all stages of flight
>>16432690What would have been an actually good name for SLS?
>>16432776people with money not wanting to do something is the primary job creator
Latest Elon tweet:> "outer engine nozzles are a little warped from high heating & strong aero forces"LMAO a little warped. And that has happened to SHs nozzles. Imagine the structural damage in the way more charred and wind-crushed Starship steel body.Reusefags, its not looking good.Maybe that's why they went with steel, to scrap the vessel after maybe 2 or 3 flights with luck.
>>16432784You don't boil anything, the hot water just melts the ice in a hurry so you don't wait around. All of it then drains under gravity out of the rocket onto the ground when you open a hole in the container it's in. >>16432785There are 66 holes in the bottom of the tank already, each with a big ass valve. And none of them compromise the tank structurally. I promise you three more holes are going to be perfectly fine.
>>16432789so you're saying they'll bring servants and workers with them?
Any explanation as for why the middle engine circle of SuperHeavy was spewing fire? Was that from the side fire at the bottom?
>>16432790Nozzles are far more vulnerable though. The fact that only.the outermost engines got warped when there was no cooldown system used, something they already have, says a lot.
>>16432788Energia
>>16432743I remember this kid, he disassembled an alarm clock and put it in a pencil case, then kept setting it off in class waiting for a teacher to get him in trouble over it. His family got so much free shit before skipping the country, bad times.
>>16432794>66 holesare you retarded or pretending to be retarded?
>>16432803no but you might be
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1846147246124859619>Hopefully early next year, we will catch the ship too>early next year for ship catchdo any ships even have catch points?
>>16432809The Block 2 ship, maybe
When does SpaceX start offering their own space camp and maybe even commission a space camp movie like happened in the 1980s? Those inspired two generations of children to become interested in aerospace and related STEM careers.
>>16432812
>>16432688Vgh...
>>16432812they arehttps://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-job-listing-new-ad-astra-school-texas-ranch-2024-3
>>16432812They should be training the first batch of permanent Martians now, while they're young.
>>16432720He's recently realized what Starship actually is (some talking points make me think he just read handmer's blog) but he's unable to reconcile it with his EDS. His last video was a disjointed incomprehensible mess. He said people on Mars 2050 at the soonest
We Launched brosnow is the time to rebuild
BREAKING: Argentina offers to host SpaceX launcheshttps://x.com/innovacionar/status/1845861632418738570
>>16432820I'm sad he deleted that video before I got to see it.Can you give me a quick rundown of what he said?
>>16432823massive ITAR issues with thatI don't see SpaceX launches moving from the US anytime soon
>>16432776Commodities on Mars will be so expensive that it basically won't be possible to transfer Earth wealth in a meaningful way after the ticket purchase. Labor shortage will drive up labor cost and ship times + scarcity will drive up commodities. For a while Martians will be living paycheck to paycheck from a factory job that pays them over a million a year. If a normal guy's yearly salary is a million bucks, what is your million made on Earth really worth?
>>16432823Shitty launch location regardless
>>16432827Plus Argentina swings even more wildly to the left and to the right than the US does. A decade from now they'll have a president that wants to nationalize everything and put the economy on a five year centralized plan.
>>16432830Great for polar
>>16432830I, for one, hope nerdship fails
>>16432827maybe australia could do starship launches if they really want to do 100s a year, they're already under a special umbrella with the AUKUS agreement
>>16432829>won't be possible to transfer Earth wealth in a meaningful wayPool whatever you have left with others to buy a starship and get a % of all incoming cargo that comes on it. If that wasn't immediately obvious to you then you were raised poor
>>16432817>paywalled
>>16432620FAA was forced to use the language "expediate it immediately" in their requests because SpaceX saw through their political nonsense and is sueing them. Then there are dozen or more congressmen going after FAA because of their delays. Typically the agency was supposed to be neutral but with them acting bit political and out of line, its being targetted
>>16432833Already got that covered.
>>16432838https://archive.is/muENbYou are feeble
>>16432824Didn't realize he deleted it. He might've done so from my comment lmao. Sometimes browsing this place all day makes me forget normal discourse elsewhere else lacks some of the intensity I'm used to. Anyway he basically talks about how great Starship is, he's totally in the Starship camp now. However he thinks the moon should be first, he believes in space mining, he believes the only reason to go to a different body is to mine it for Earth, he doesn't think Starship is enough for a manned trip to Mars, and he thinks Elon Musk is a mascot that doesn't do anything at Starbase. I left a long timestamped comment explaining this to him. I'm not sure why people think Elon needs to be a "good person" to be a good engineer. Some people just can't reconcile it.
Remember how hard they were rushing to finish that parking garage mural? They didn’t show it anywhere in the flight 5 livestream.
>>16432842And a redundant proposal further north
>>16432846>Elon needs to be a "good person" to be a good engineer>"good person"Yeah they just want him to buy into the WEF death cult. Support Hamas, support castration ideology, support degrowth, support non-citizen voting rights to US election, support illegal immigration, etc etc. Thats their code word.
>>16432837Cargo starships will not make a return trip, maybe ever. Starships on Earth are cheap, energy and water on Mars less so. They're also made of valuable metals
>>16432846Intersectionality requires complete ideological purity in all things.
>>16432852Yup poverty mindset
>>16432846It really is shocking the amount of people who think those that disagree with them politically are incompetent. I disagree enough with other very smart people to know they're generally uncorrelated.
>>16432850>After a year-long search, the Michigan Aerospace Manufacturers Association has announced the location of a new vertical-launch spaceport in the state.>The Sterling Heights-based trade organization has identified a location just north of Marquette in the Upper Peninsula as the best site from which to launch rockets from launch pads. The location along the shores of Lake Superior will serve as a splash site in case of any problems during launches.>Oscoda-Wurtsmith Airport, south of Alpena on the state’s east coast, already has been selected as the top candidate for rockets to launch from beneath airplane wings, otherwise known as horizontal launches.We control the horizontal. We control the vertical. The Outer Limits (of Michigan).
>>16432856You don't seem to understand basic economic principles
>>16432852Starships are basically a whole base station unto themselves with redundant supplies for a complete habitat. It will have energy(solar+battery) + lifesupport + electronics + storage + etc. Each Starship could theoretically support a small village of Mars colonist as a starter/base station. So populate these Starship across a couple sq km and connect them all together for a connected Starship colony. Then use a tunneling machine to connect the various mini villages/bases together for fast transport access/shared life support resources (electricity grid/heating/water pipes/gas pipes/etc).
>>16432861>>16432860retard.
>>16432861I was talking about the cargo ships specifically, just a metal tube full of pallets. They'll probably break them down for materials. Otherwise yeah I agree, it'll be a while before any residences are built on Mars. There will be several acres of factory before it makes sense to move out of your Starship
A Tour of the Lunar South Polehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnv9ZQ0wfaw&t
>>16432686"I Can't wait for the next flight of SS V2"
>>16432865elaborate your point or don't post
>>16432802Yeah someone made a video showing the exact clock from amazon he used, broke it apart, and placed it in a suitcase.Normies got fucking played. "Fuck having laws and boarders and shit!"
>>16432686The should have called the stack STS (Space (exploration technologies corp.) Transport System
>>16432868KEK
>>16432867Based Kyplanet, love that channel!
>>1643280333 engines need both fuel and oxidizer, tourist.
>>16432859If anything ever launches off the UP again, I'll be there to watch. Last year a friend and I camped at pic related and set off a few model rockets there.
>>16432877bullshit from someone who knows nothing about what they are talking about. ice is only a problem in the OX TANK so there are only 33 HOLES
>nozzles bended>big fire at the base of the booster, with middle engine ring leaking burning gasWhy is nobody discussing this? That booster is structurally done for many engines are not flyable again.I bet this happened in IFT4 as well.SH is not just an oversized F9, it's bigger mass creates bigger problems. The entire engine plate was glowing red during descent, that might be indicative of this thing reaching greater speeds due to inertia. I don'r remember any F9 base plate glowing red.
>>16432884Because we have no fucking idea how they'll deal with it, either if they'll change the re-entry profile or add mass to engine bells.Also read the fucking thread.
>>16432884Because its fixed for Raptor 3 and the new versions of superheavy, newfag
>>16432884>Why is nobody discussing this?It might be no big deal. We haven't seen how raptor 3 would handle it. The goal of this flight was the tower catch, SpaceX just does things one at a time. They now have the flown booster, and can look in depth at what happened. That fact is what made F9 the best launcher ever built. They have shit to figure out but it's the type of thing they're good at figuring out
>>16432893How does a better engine fix the engine plate glowing red?
>>16432896Active cooling by using plumbing
>>16432884It's moot until we see Raptor 3sThe heat also clearly didn't stop it from landing, that speaks more to the robustness than some fire and glowing.
>>16432896Passive shielding vs active cooling
>>16432632Thank you>>16432646It doesn’t sound dumb at all. Tbh landing legs seem way more stupid. >lets make our retrieval mechanism dependent on unique hardware for every single rocket AND lets force it to deal with ground effect!Nah i think a singular system that only requires the rocket to be in a point in space is the better option.
>>16432896New cooling system
>>16432884>nozzles bendingthicker material or different trajectory to reduce aero loading. Not impossible to resolve>big fire at base of boosteryeah venting gas through booster QD ignited by landing burn flame, fixable>middle engine ring leaking burning gasthe job of an engine is literally to leak burning gas at hotter temperatures and higher pressures than a fire, it's fine>engine plate glowing during descentthings get hot when you ram air at them at mach 5, the glow you were seeing was the engine heatshields do their job. Pic related shows the nozzles themselves as dark. R3 will probably do away with this phenomenon because they ditch heatshields for integrated cooling channels
>>16432905My question is how do you anchor a dome into the ground without the air pressure blowing it off its foundations? Are they attached to super secure anchor bolts in the bedrock and the rest of the foundation buried under tons of brick/regotith?
>>16432491I'd get the mechazilla shirt if international shipping from anywhere but china wasn't so fucking expensive.
>>16432897>>16432900That might fix the engine bending, but not the engine plate getting roasted.They should remove the skirt entirely and let the air pass through instead of getting stuck in there.
>>16432910>the job of an engine is literally to leak burning gas at hotter temperatures and higher pressures than a fire, it's fineIt might be fine, but doesn't the burning gas mean that some engine pipes got broken?
>>16432921Some drawfag please make a SH neesama descending with the underskirt on fire.
>>16432840>>16432509>>16432459I honestly think it's just some oldspace assholes or whatever at the FAA holding things up, Biden and Harris probably didn't give a fuck either way so it was up to congress to sort them out.
>>16432918Like another anon said it really might not matter.The aft section is the most complex section of the booster, it suffered through some very intense heating but executed its landing perfectly.Super heavy isn't Falcon, it's stainless is much more robust under high temperatures as compared to the aluminum lithium alloy of F9
>>16432918Cool. How many rocket engines have you designed up till now?
>>16432912regular ass pilings like we use for anchoring buildings on earth?
>>16432939>it suffered through some very intense heating but executed its landing perfectly.Steel glowing red is steel being bent. Blacksmiths hot the steel until it's almost red before working with the hammer for a reason.If the thermal protection is not enough and the engine plate takes this kind of structural damage then it might not be able to safely stand the full thrust of 33 raptors again in a second launch with all the fuel loaded.
>>16432941I don't need to. It is aerodynamic common sense. Compressed hypersonic air is not a good thing to retain. Just let it flow away.
>>16432946Not only is this a solvable issue. It’s not even an especially hard issue as these things go.you’re a faggot doomer trying to cope with the fact that elon just proved superheavy reusability is viable.
>>16432446This is the one patch I would buy if they didn't ask 25 yuros to ship it to frogland.
>>16432951Did anyone ever doubt super heavy reusability? Spacex has been reflying boosters for years. Closest I heard was concerns about number of engines in comparison to N1.
>>16432946Stainless glows within its working temperature range and has double the temperatures resistance as carbon steel.
Don't deadname the flights, they're not IFT anymore
>>16432964https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-5>Starship's Fifth Flight TestFT-5 it is.
>>16432950Noted. Oldspace could use someone like you
>>16432964theyre flights and also integrated and tests, so they are integrated flight tests. IFT1/2/3 etc. is cooler than F1/2/3
>>16432950>common senseFuck off retard
>>16432950R3 boosters will not have a skirt nor heat shields.There will we much less of a stagnation zone.
>>16432977he's just a little skeptical
The dry mass reduction from switching to raptor 3 will also reduce heating from re-entry. At least until they add more engines and stretch the booster.
>>16432837Wow, if anyone could do that and print money, what does that imply about the price of buying a Starship?I refrain from commenting on the circumstances of your birth.
>>16432884stop reading spaceguy5's FUD
Stats on Europa Clipped. So, a cargo Starship can deliver a fully fueled Clipper Class probe to LEO -- probably with enough extra fuel to allow a fast transit without years of gravity assists.Would be nice if NASA started to design probes reflecting that.
>>16432912Make it heavy.
>>16432884Those are old revs of the engines, so they were already scrap. Not for the reuse stream.
>>16432950>common sense>rocket engine designYou don't even understand the meaning of the terms you're using.
>>16432500Here’s how you save NASA, turn everything NASA does into being the survey team for humanity’s reach for the stars.
>>16432996B-But Bruno-kun said Starship was USELESS past LEO!
>>16432996If starship is actually below $100/kg you could just design your satellites with some 80/20 channelled aluminum, a backpacking phone charger solar panel, and a smartphone
>>16432964I still call it OFT on here because it makes one anon get really mad
>>16432662Will catching Ship entail any further challenges compared to catching Booster?
>>16433021I still think of the ships as "SN(number)"
>>16433013>>16432996>fast transitDoubt it.It takes like 24km/s to reach Europe directly.
>>16432996Now imagine if you put one of those highly efficiant stages Impulse Space Propulsion are building like Helios, built exactly for these kinds of missions, on top of that.
>>16432951>you’re a faggot doomer trying to cope with the fact that elon just proved superheavy reusability is viable.Chill out with the teeth grinding, muskerite fag. I just advocate for a less retarded design.Nobody ever doubted booster recoverability, it was pretty much taken for granted since f9.
>>16433035Incredible!
>>16433027You can remove like 1/3 of that if you time it well with the gravitational assists from the other jovian moons. Will take a little while longer though.
https://x.com/rfa_space/status/1845808087594365287
>>16433035good luck reusing this empty steel garbage can.
>>16432868oh jew
>>16433046Why not? They can have it launching again in a jiffy.
>>16433037>Nobody ever doubted booster recoverabilityThere it is.
>>16433042truth nuke
>>16433017Makes me wonder, will universities start sending probes around the solar system? Starship puts activities within the budgets of way more science organizations than NASA. I wonder if a venusian steel balloon hopper built and launched by MIT would finally redirect NASA to a Starship based approach
>>16433042it's over, I can't wait to become an american one day
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1846211353750524089Booster being lifted now to be transported back
>>16433037>Nobody ever doubted booster recoverability, it was pretty much taken for granted since f9.no it wasn’t chopstick catch was an impossibility right up until the moment it happened. Before that it was raptor reliability and before that it was belly flop and before that it was flying water towers ever amounting to anything. At this point all the “can it be done” challenges are behind them. It’s just a question of ironing put the kinks.Also taking recovery for granted because falcon can do it but not taking refurbishment for granted despite the fact that falcon does it is retarded and you’re clearly grasping at straws.
>>16433059>>16433017the sat would need some form of propulsion though unless its a cubesat for leo. the propulsion would cost a cool 100k at least.
>>16433035E2E starship is going to be a crazy ass ride
>>16433064so elon is a glorified tard wrangler?
>>16433066That's so little money
>>16433066/sfg/ could come up with a hall effect thruster for less than that
>>16432993You seem dimwitted so it's good you refrained. Money is the most worthless of assets to own after all.
>>16433068Tard speaker but also redpilled after growing up in SA
>>16433068No, that post is too cynical. He does know how to utilize engineers though. Non-engineer management can throttle your engineering talent like nothing else. SpaceX is engineers all the way up, Boeing by comparison is MBAs all the way down
>>16433074>redpilled after growing up in SAThe opposite. He basically escaped the country to avoid being drafted. It took a lot to get him to the current point
>>16433067>E2E starship
>>16433063Booster reusability is doable, but not in its current state. We also might see less flights per unit compared with f9 due to the greater structural loads.
>>16433070thats an 'at least' estimate which happens if kick stage companies like impulse are very sucessful.it will be a huge gamechanger allowing random ecelebs to launch a plaque of their twitch subs to the moon, but a university will have to do it as a once in a generation type thing unless they get big donations.
>presidental campaigns caring about spacexif you think this, you should take your meds
>>16433042This is why I root for RFA.I hope they make it.
>>16433084Your cunt is going to lose and we are going to Mars.
>>16433086I don't have a cunt.
>>16433080fuck off ky(ke)planet, i know its you.
>>16433064As a formally diagnosed autistic engineer, I can confirm this is mostly true, though the failure part isn't so much about fear of failure itself but about the consequences from the outside such as being fired or having some MBA bro, former frat boy screaming at us all day.Not sure what Musk is doing to be able to alleviate those fears but my guess is he speaks in our own language saying that failure is expected sometimes and can be a good thing if we learn something from it that puts us closer to the path to success. That kind of thing would go a long way to getting us to loosen up and focus on the tasks at hand instead of trying to manage the consequences from above if something doesn't go right on the first attempt. Using a term like RUD (Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly) to put a humorous spin on an explosion is one way of showing he's looking for convergence to the right path rather than expecting everything to go right the first time.>>16433068Weaponized autism is quite the valuable resource if you know how to weld it correctly.
>>16433072Lets make a satellite and put it into orbit.
>>16433089>weld it correctly.apt typo
>>16433085the guy leading rfa is an elon wannabee, very unsettling.
>>16433092Acting autistic is inherently a kraut trait
>>16433086hello, based department?
>>16433084Why wouldn't a President want to tie a success in spaceflight to their campaign? It's a pretty easy win, all you have to do is loudly 'support' a thing and the people eat it up.Which begs the question why only one campaign is bothering to try?
>>16433092To be a musk wanna be you need few things1) understanding of fundamentals (finances/physics/regulations)2) high pain threshold3) high stakes in their work4) high courage5) FINDS A WAY6) never takes no for an answer (unless it violates fundamentals)
>>16433027Show math. This a Europa flyby series or orbit, not a landing. There used to be a dv calculator online, but can't find it with new "AI Enhanced" Google.
>>16433100the electorate does not give a shit about space. for republicans there is a vague tangential national pride aspect which they care about. thats why they were shuttle shills then oldspace shills. dems dont even care about the national pride aspect, and they view human spaceflight as a negative since many dont think humans have a right to colonize the stars.
>>16433027There’s no way Europe takes that much dv I got there just the other month on an a380
>>16433107Trump talked about the booster catch at a rally. He's been talking about boots on Mars since 2016 and now that he's friends with Elon he's personally interested in seeing Starship succeed.
>>16433110did you find any intelligent lifeform there?
>>16433107>the electorate does not give a shit about spaceThen let's change that. It can be done, it must be done. If tens of millions of people can be made to care about a children's yard-game played by millionaires (broadcast to sell ad-space), then they can be made to care about anything. >many don't think humans have a right to colonize the stars.They must be reeducated, forcibly if necessary.
>>16433113No I just went to measure how much ice there was and the depths of some of their water.
>>16433100SpaceX flying around water towers is not gonna cut it. Manned moon landings might actually score points, but it's too far for anybody to care about (yet).Yes, the party in charge will obviously affect spaceflight, with reps being pro-spaceflight and dems being pro-regulation. But none of that has any effect on the election or the campaigning at all. Schizos in this thread are saying that Biden-Harris are in cahoots with FAA, as if it was a relevant issue to them.
>>16433119>>Schizos in this thread are saying that Biden-Harris are in cahoots with FAA>schizosEverybody point and laugh
>>16433113NTA but when I went there somehow a bunch of african colonists got there first. I was pretty pissed.
so how long does it take now between first starting fuelling up, and launch?
>>16433127about 2 hours
>>16433128it’s over. they’ll never get the flight rate above 12 per day per launch pad
ESA replied to me on YouTube.I was kind of a dick and they replied to me in a polite manner and now I feel bad.
>>16433131only 12 per day? felon husk promised 24, what a fraud, jail him alreadyt. th00nderfag
>>16433131>12 per day>per launch padwasn't even close to happening this decadecheck again mid 2030s
>>16433132what did you write?
>>16433132What did they/them say?
>>16433128decent, I heard that they upgraded the site massively some time ago so it's basically the same fuel time as an F9 despite being far larger
>>16433132>Making fun of yurosCompulsory
>>16433131we're only on launch #5
Bent nozzles my ass.
>>16433141pi
>>16433141Look at the ones in the back.
>>16433100Because the left hates Musk. He was their Space Jesus untilHe opposed COVID restrictionsMoved Telsa out of California to TexasMoved his own personal residence from California to TexasStarted appearing on the Chud Rogan podcastJoined President Trump's industry advisory boardAnd his biggest crime of all: he purchased Twitter, the most effective propaganda arm of the globalists, and allowed it to be used against the left (and the right but they don't care about that part)All of this is why he's seen as the enemy of the left. No Democrat wants to upset their base by being associated with a traitor against the one true ideology. Beyond that leftist stuff, there's also many in industry that are mad at him for creating a competitor in space flight and automobiles. He's upset the gravy trains they had going on. Many wealthy people have lost huge amounts of money shorting Tesla, which ended up going up in value, causing them to lose covering those shorts. But they keep trying to get their money back by doubling down on more shorts and getting fucked each time. They need the Musk empire to fail so they can undo their mistakes going up against him.
>>16432964I'll keep using IFT until they start doing commercial/Artemis launches then I'll switch over to the falcon naming system>Mission name+>5th flight of SH booster 25 etc...
>>16433141I need that paint they're using for the engine numbers.
>>16433144The Tesla shorts are the funniest. The market has been such a spreadsheet racket for for the last fifty years that investors literally had no idea how to treat a company that actually makes something
>>16433144>Many wealthy people have lost huge amounts of money shorting Tesla, which ended up going up in value, causing them to lose covering those shorts. But they keep trying to get their money back by doubling down on more shorts and getting fucked each time.Reminder ESGhound is both a tesla shorter and nikola pumper.
>>16433119>Schizos in this thread are saying that Biden-Harris are in cahoots with FAA, as if it was a relevant issue to them.
>>16432483NASA never had any business being in the launch business.
>>16433156They didn’t have much choice in the early days but they should have gotten out of it sooner.
>>16433148I enjoyed seeing Bill Gates publicly humiliated when Musk rejected his panhandling due to Gates shorting Tesla.
>>16433149>nikolaHow did that ever get so far? You could find the founders other... endeavors (scams) with five minutes of research.
>>16433112the situation around trump is the best it could possibly be, its just a shame trump isnt a fresh candidate with two terms ahead. if he was then boots or the moon would definitely happen in his term. trumps old boots on mars stuff was the same generic halfhearted oldspace shilling which has been happening sine bush senior. the point is to create contracts for boeing and friends to fulfill.
>>16433143imagine firing the one at the back right with its current semicircle shape. what could go wrong?
>>16433177Not only would nothing go wrong, it would very quickly revert to being the ideal shape.
How is @spaceguy5 handling this?
>>16433171People like ESGhound who were convinced tesla was a scam and looking for anything they could put forth as an alternative.
>>16433179Seems to me to bitching about minor issues like "fire in the engine bay" and "flaps burning through".
>>16433171How did a dog-walking startup get a third of a billion doing nothing? "Investors" with a fuckton of money to lose
>>16433187deluded, but its thiss delusion which madespacex work in the first place so go with it.
>>16433191milk me, nerdship
>>16432426How do they measure speed relative to the center of the earth? Just measure ground speed and then subtract the speed of the earth rotation or it is more involved than that?
>>16433035It's just that easy in rocketry
According to Berger, Blue Origin has double SpaceX employees, about 30k.Holy Shit lmao
>>16433172JD Vance will carry on the torch. Nothing to worry about.
>>16433092Germans can only prosper through LARP
>>16432557what did it deliver to orbit? lol
>>16433212hope
>>16433209he was talking specifically about head count at the cape
>>16433209Double the employees, four magnitudes less progress. Money well spent.
Fun fact: looking at the map, Boca Chica is right at the border with Mexico and there doesn't seem to be any checkpoints or guards in that area. So it would be possible to sneak into the US along the beach and watch some launches and go back. Or stay.
small nuclear reactors are back>On Monday, Google announced an agreement with Kairos Power to purchase nuclear energy from multiple small modular reactors (SMRs), marking the first deal of its kind. The partnership aims to bring Kairos Power's initial SMR online by 2030, with additional reactor deployments planned through 2035. With the energy demands of AI growing, Google has not been alone in encouraging new development of alternative, no-emission power sources.https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/10/google-and-kairos-sign-nuclear-reactor-deal-with-aim-to-power-ai/looks like the dream of nuclear power for space colonies is saved
>>16432749can starship simply float on venus atmosphere like balloon?
>>16433224Not the parts that won't cook it to death.
>>16433209Learn to read you disgusting illiterate low iq animal.That is not what he said.YWNGTS
>>16433219oh yeah, I guess that would be the mouth of the rio grande. Hadn't even thought about that.
>>16433227Isn't it technically the anus of the Rio Grande?
>>16433035is this real thread
>>16433226Delusion BO fanboy
>>16433229That's a clever analogy, but it's not quite accurate.While the mouth of a river is where it discharges its water, just as an anus is an exit point, there are some key differences:Function: A river's mouth is where it releases water and sediment it has collected from its journey. An anus, on the other hand, is a biological opening primarily used for expelling waste products.Process: Rivers typically flow downhill due to gravity, while the movement of waste through the digestive system is driven by muscular contractions.So, while the terms might seem similar in terms of being exit points, their functions and processes are distinct
>>16433239No offense, kill yourself
>SpaceX to lay off 10% of its workers back in 2019I forgot this was a thing
>>16433241i cant even imagine layoffs now. they're going to need thousands of more workers soon.
>>16433241Why did he decimate his workforce? Does he think about the roman empire a lot?
>>16432623damn this is cool.thanks for showing!!!
>>16432823kek ojalá, vamos milei
>>16433244Fuck off turbo autist
Straship Block 2 Elon : I’m so glad we finally fixed the forward flap design!The old one was killing me. Too large and heavy and positioned at 180 degrees, requiring large static aero and not fully stowed, so that pushes the nose backwards during the high heating hypersonic phase of flight, which is the opposite of what you want.https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1846229867047588216
>>16433149Reminder ESGhound is extremely easy to bully
>>16433219>us controls a tiny part of the mexican bank of the rio grandeso if you were a beaner trying to set up a farm there, would you have to go through loads of rigmarole with the us govt. salting your crops?
>>16433035Fuck Overwatch WEBMs, I'mma fap to this all week!
>>16433270Everyone point and laugh at the anon who masturbates to phallic objects.
>>16433273I like that too :3
>>16433244Kill yourself
>>16433113There's life, but no spacefaring civilization. Sad!
>>16433258how will they get a decent sized payload bay door on this thing?
>>16433119It's okay to be dumb, but please stop sharing your opinions
https://x.com/AJamesMcCarthy/status/1846248028489109567
>>16433294When they figure out the basic shape of the fucking ship.
this is just pathetic
B12 heading backhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSCWaT_ff_8
>>16432483how much are we talking? i only see mentioned of $15bn over the past 20 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSCWaT_ff_8Booster rolFUCK YOU BEAT ME
>>16432493lets get some numbers on it before you get carried away with this line or argument
>>16433299
>>16433307>>16433311I haven't seen anyone talk about this bit. Clearly not a mission critical failure, but definitely needs to be ironed out for RR to work.
>>16433299>>16433314
>>16433307bye bye!>>16433316I heard they were getting rid of those things entirely. not sure if it’s true though.
>>16433314was this when the nozzles warped?
>>16433307>>16433311Imagine how much good data they're going to get out of this thing. Super heavy is going to be as good as F9 before Starship can reliably reenter
>>16433316Yeah, not sure if it was a pressure blow-out from something breaking inside, or just the "skin" of the chime getting torn off. It broke at the engine burn, not the high-pressure fall moments prior.
>>16433322Though F9 still has fuck ups here and there, what scares me is when it'll eventually happens to Superheavy, it will make the tower and launch pad out of service for weeks if not months
>>16433326Unless it happens on flight 6 they will have at least 2 olms and towers by then.
Imagine NOT gooning to Starship landings
I don't know why they want to try again with another Version 1 of Starship. Unless they were catching the ship on a barge, I'd think they should move onto Version 2 to see if the forward flaps fix the burn-through.
>>16433303Category error
GAO believes Starship HLS will have a 70% chance of being ready in February 2028
>>16433337It's more data and they either test it or throw it out Even simply in terms of employee morale that's a bad idea
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1846265514504401190>If you listen at 1:45, you can even hear the sonic booms from the hot staging ring!!!
They're going to need super heavy to belly flop too won't they
>>16433345kek reminds me of mundane parts fucking exploding on impact after a failed launch in KSP
Elon Musk needs me? Okay, I'll do it. I'll vote for you, Elon!
>>16433345that's insane!
>>16433314Why dont they show this view on stream? they did the first one
https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2024/10/15/nasa-updates-2025-commercial-crew-plan/“potential” Starliner flight in 2025HAHAHHAAHHHAH
So they launched Starship, Falcon Heavy and 2 Falcon 9s all in the span on 3 days.
When Flight 6?
>>16432432To match the cadence SpaceX has achieved with the upcoming 2 Starlink launches + Europa Clipper + IFT5. 4 for 4.
>>16433389>The timing and configuration of Starliner’s next flight will be determined once a better understanding of Boeing’s path to system certification is established. This determination will include considerations for incorporating Crew Flight Test lessons learned, approvals of final certification products, and operational readiness.>Meanwhile, NASA is keeping options on the table for how best to achieve system certification, including windows of opportunity for a potential Starliner flight in 2025.Ooof. Starliner isn't going to get system certification until at least 2026
the rich are gonna ditch us here on earth while they go play communism on mars arent they
Workers gathered to witness the return of Booster12
>>16433399why are they so shit at framing it?i havent seen a good hero shot of the rocket with someone standing right next to itthey do a real shit job of conveying how big it is
>>16433397>the rich are going to adopt an economic philosophy in which no one has any property or any money to buy anything withYou could at least try not to be retarded
Man this was such a kino landing, clear sky apart from that one cloud and then it happens to come right through it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzyaud250Xo
>>16433403We got quite a few retards and trolls after the launch sticking around
>>16433406>>16433403shut up i post here all the time
>>16433401Because they want it to be framed by a large group of people not any one individual. SpaceX down in boca chica is about We not I. In this, they have succeeded beyond Von Braun in the correct way forward.
>>16433410someone could just walk up to it with a camera dumbass its not that deep
>>16433408Then don't post like you're retarded.
>>16433209Too many chefs in the kitchen, law of diminishing returns, etc.
>>16433209I swear that new shepard thing is a curse. It's the epitome of the "you must master this thing before moving onto the next one" mentality.
>>16433394wooden pieces, nice.
>>16433403Richfags are universally marxists
>>16433438Just because they sell you "Che! says Trans Rights!" t-shirts does not make them marxists.
>>16433412>how to lose your job 101dipshit
>>16433342>2028 That's rough, mind you COVID and the BO suit didn't help at all but still. It might just be a consequence of politicians wanting the moon landing during their own terms.NASA dithering on Orion and Artemis 2 plus the setbacks in development of Gateway, Axiom suits and the ML means that 2028 is probably a more realistic launch date for Artemis 3.
>>16433394December-February
>musk is calling for the end of protection status on boca chica wildlife
>>16433141Why is 314 (?) painted differently? Was it for some pi joke?
>>16433472it's literally a slice of pie
>>164334532028 was alwaays the more realistic date. 2024 was a lunatic date which noone really thought possible. NASA stuck to such an ambitious timeline trying to emulate the Musk style, but it was never going to happen. The 'national team' lander would have probably been ready for 2028 too if that was selected. not sayingthey are onpart to spacex though. with the spacex lander we get a free superheavy reusable rocket
>>16433141i like the military stencil font they use. very retro.
>>16433476Fuck's sake
>>16433468*rangebans u for abuse*
>>16433326Booster is an empty soda can when it comes back. It's not going to hurt the tower, though the shrapnel of exploded steel rings might mess up some ground tanks.
>>16433472314 is not even PI. there is no dot, and 3.14 is too short to be recognizable. if they used 3.14 in aerospace as an approximation of PI, that would be really bad.
>>16433487You’re so smart they should hire you to paint the engines.
>>16432683Oh no. Anyway.....
>>16433487>No fun allowedGo back to boing
>>16433489that's probably more money than the janny is paid.
>>16433487I prefer apple, myself.
>>16433141This thing could be used as a giant open space tanning lamp. Could take care of the entire beach in California.
>>16433493I suggest we double the wage
Mad Mike is building a cosmology.
>>16432912Make it double layer filled with water for weight
>>16432776Two words: Indentured Servitude
>Pathetic
>>16432974>IFT1/2/3 etc. is cooler than F1/2/3No it isn't lolYou're just used to it and coping >theyre flights and also integrated and tests,Integrated is superfluous, what other condition with you have a flight test in?
>>16432974faggot
this angle shows it's more scorched than it seemed from other angles
>>16433538>future>forgets the past 10 yearslmao
>>16433553Reuse is the future even though no other company is even working on it lol
>>16432654they look nothing alike
>>16433550hotstaging?
>>16433538Why is this so profound? Just a canned statement from a donothing org
Wouldn't Starship need an ISS size cooling system and radiators for such a large crew on a long flight?
https://spacenews.com/china-launches-second-batch-of-18-satellites-for-thousand-sails-megaconstellation/>A Long March 6A rocket lifted off from Taiyuan Satellite Launch Center, north China, at 7:06 a.m. Eastern Oct. 15. The China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation announced launch success over two hours after liftoff. The Long March 6A upper stage deployed the flat panel Qianfan (or “Thousand Sails”) Polar Orbit-02 group of 18 satellites into polar orbit for Shanghai Spacecom Satellite Technology. The project is sometimes referred to as G60 Starlink. >The mission will be followed closely for a number of reasons. The Long March 6A, developed by the state-owned Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology, has, despite successful launchers, suffered issues with its upper stage fragmenting. Its last launch—which carried the first 18 Qianfan satellites—broke up into a cloud suspected to number more than 700 pieces of orbital debris. SAST has so far not responded to requests for comment. More debris incoming
>>16432964I'm going to keep calling it Irbital Flight Test until they start doing proper orbits.
>>16433542>>16433541Enjoy my 5min paint skills
>>16433578Probably, since it has roughly the same volume but with a worse volume to surface area ratio meaning without radiators it will cool off even worse. I've seen some concept art of Starships with solar panels sticking out, so maybe they could do that but with radiators .The stainless steel might radiate heat off better than the ISS but I wouldn't know, could another anon confirm that?
>>16433587And you all said refueling flights for Starship were gonna take a long time
>>16433586A TRAB could probably solve some of the heating issues
Starlink is one step closer to operation India.
>>16433578>>16433591It probably just comes down to mass (as with everything in spaceflight). If a TRAB has a higher cooling efficiency to mass ratio than radiator panels, they'll probably use one of those. Or they might not even bother with a TRAB if it doesn't produce worthwhile electricity.As Starship gets further from Earth and the Sun, there's less sunlight providing radiative heat so the cooling problems are reduced just by going to its destination. A majority of the heat on the ISS comes from the sun so there might be a point on the trip to Mars where heat from the sun becomes a non-issue and it can radiate away the heat from the crew/machines just fine.
>>16433544>what other condition with you have a flight test in?The immediately preceding series of flight tests where Starship hopped with no 1st stage?Or flying the booster by itself, either with a reduced fuel load (hop to low altitude, land on tower), or else full load with some kind of aero cap in place of the hotstage ring?
sirs how many rupees for space internet sirs my village very poor
This is how you can tell the difference between a real rocket and a toy. NS belongs in the dump not a museum
>>16433595DO NOT REDEEM FREQUENCY SIRS
rockets belong in the ocean actually
>>16432964what channel?
>>16433612cringe, what purpose does this exhibit serve?
>>16433618it shows how much money bezos gave them
>>16433615Based and pool torpedo pilled
>>16433612>>16433618I want to see William Shatner's shat stains inside there.
>>16433615They belong in a loving embrace
>>16433629she needs to look beat up desu
If you can't enjoy rockets without turning them into cartoon people, you don't like rockets.
>>16433604I wonder if the heat from the sun could be usefully reduced by simply sticking a big sheet of mylar between Starship and the Sun while in transit. Of course then you would need to have the solar panels sticking out of the shade, so might not be worth it.
>>16433633If you can't enjoy rockets when they're turned into cartoon people, you don't like rockets.
If you can't enjoy people without turning them into cartoon rockets
>>16433640Those are clearly lips
lunar dust is my drug
>>16433634There are other options than solars, one proposal for Starship power is to literally just have a bunch of Tesla battery packs even though that sounds retarded because li-on batteries are known to combust and it's a lot of extra mass.The bigger issue with the mylar sheet idea is that it would need to have a "parallel" trajectory with the transit of Starship's Hohmann transfer to make sure it's always blocking the sun, along with having the proper orientation, so it would need to carry it's own propellant to make these adjustments and that point you're just launching another spacecraft so it might be a very expensive solution.
>>16433643You are shining up the general. Consider hope
>>16433640I don't enjoy people regardless of whether they are turned into cartoon rockets or not.
>>16433644>The no anime tranny is backOh no not the Nth discussion on mars/moon/venus colonisation or the millionth FAA insult. Clipper and IFT-5 are done, sfg can have down time.
>>16433219Zoom in on that image and you will find a couple of white pickup trucks parked near the river. Who do you think they belong to?
>>16433644bithreadly reminder if you hate anime you're a newfag
>>16433634The idea is to point the engines at the sun to shade the entire ship, and rely on enough radiative cooling from the sides to keep the tanks chilled. The living quarters might need heating
>>16433578The ISS can't avoid the sun because it's so spindly and stupid.Starship can point ass-first at the sun and reduce a lot of heating.
>>16433658Is that twice a thread or once every two threads?
>>16433664yes
Jeff Bezos says that landing propellant is very mass expensive compared to aero surfaces. Witht hat in mind would starship booster benefit from strakes? They would make it more aero-stable on the way up and would mean boostback and landing require less delta v from the engines
New Glenn hasn't even hopped yetHis opinion is pretty irrelevant on reuseMass cost of the 1st stage is far less relevant too, theres a reason the Starship is going to belly flop
>>16433648>li-on batteries are known to combustyou would probably need to make a special deep space starship in this case, but the batteries could be mounted on pyrotechnic bolts to drop if they start combusting
>>16433667He probably isn't wrong, but BO has a minuscule launch record compared to SeX and New Shepard is mogged hard by every SpaceX rocket so his judgement is questionable.With something as large as SH booster, actually flipping it to use aerodynamic surfaces for braking is a whole nother engineering challenge, getting the bellyflop to work with Starship alone was hard enough because of fluid dynamics and something a long and cylindrical as SH booster might have structural integrity issues with a belly flop maneuver. And designing it to carry less fuel means that there's less carry capacity and delta-v for fully-expendable launches of SSH.Maybe some kind of deployable aero surfaces could work, isn't that Falcon 9 does with it's weird landing legs?
>>16433672seems to me superheavy doesnt have wings because of elons best part no part autism. falcon and superheavy already use themselves as lifting bodies and glide back to the landing site. with strakes you can have a steeper glide angle and lower terminal velocity
>>16433658>>16433654Who said I hate anime? Clearbros are great, you useless niglets have done nothing but shit up the general. Also>defending the FAACan we get this guy a poop sandwich?
>>16433675wing surfaces still add mass which means it will still consume more fuel, along with adding extra drag in the ascent. the fuel saved from aerobraking for reuseability just might not be significant enough to be worth it from a cost standpoint
>>16433042>>16433058kek
>>16433314Fuck it, Starship is now officially > Saturn V on the rocket tier list
LAUNCH of Gaofen 12-05 (Civilian-Military dual use SAR observation with 30cm resolution), on CZ-4C (serial number Y59) from Jiuquan pad LC-94 at 23:45 UTC, 49th Chinese launch of the year.launch footage:https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:5090014531354654?from=old_pc_videoshow
>>16433688launch and satellite patches
>>16433695buy an ad
>>16433695
>>16433698what is it with you shuttle haters and irrationally scapegoating it for YOUR failures?
>>16432426A couple times a day I feel this enormous sense of relief that IFT-5 was such a gigantic success.I feel like it was a kind of causal choke point affecting much more than just the pace of progress in the Starship program. I think any major flaw in the mission—like the ship breaking up on reentry even if the booster catch worked—would have placed the world on a worse path into the future. Instead, there are good vibes in the air. I can't really point to a single example of why I'm so relieved, but I think IFT-5 had a positive ripple effect that may never be fully understood.
>>16433699I don't hate the shuttle, it was pretty cool, and it made sense in the context that it was started.However it factually bound american heavy lift and human exploration to LEO.
>>16433702Between IFT-4 and IFT-5, the only space-related headlines that came out at all were space politics bullshit. The vibes day in and day out were completely diabolical. We needed an engineering victory to get things back on track.
>>16433695is he your boyfriend or something?
>>16433695>>16433696>>16433698>>16433699>>16433702>>16433703FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, THESE ARE ALL KYPLANET.HE HAS BEEN RUNNING A HYBRID AD CAMPAIGN HERE AND ON PLEBIT FOR MONTHS
>>16433710Just report for advertising and move on
>>16433702I'm starting to get tired of seeing people who never cared about starship or spaceflight trying to give their two cents in my feeds
>>16433612
hotstage ring spotted
>>16433728they unironically spent 4 days doing thiswhat the fuck
>>16433612why is a rocket that's never been to space in a museum?
>>16433612>>16433728What a thoroughly disappointing use of square footage in the Smithsonian. That's the main building too! I hope this is an extremely specific "Space Tourism" gallery because that's the only way this shit makes any sense.
>>16433740do ho ho
>>16433741would be kino if they put a spaceshiptwo in backflip config over it
FUCK I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THE EUROPA LAUNCH.GOD DAMMIT I BLAME /VP/
>>16433747Gotta watch 'em all
>>16433752did either of the starlink launches get a single post here? must have missed them . amazing how routine it is
>>16433754I don't remember when exactly elon said he hoped Spacex could manage to make launches routine and boring, but incredibly, they've succeded
>>16433026The real one would be renumbering them as Mk. ns
>>16433616Eager Space, don't remember which video
>>16433760When did they switch from Mk. to SN? Mk3? I know they were onto SNs by SN5
there's another startup?
>>16433745the hall of technological dead ends
>>16433770>return cargo from space to Earth Right, like processed asteroids!!Another scam
>>16433608Completely obsolete activities, for historical value only.
>>16433770Way of the dodo in 2 years or less, yawn
>>16433728AHHHHH THEY ARE SO SLOW, GRADATIM FEROTICERAHDJKF2#
>>16433766iirc Mk. 3 became SN1
>>16433579>have to launch 648 chinese starlinks before the end of next yearthat's 36 launches, which isnt impossible, but can china even pull that off? are we about to see a surge in chinese launches?
>>16433642Sucks that it never got to fly before starship. Now it just feels like a waste. I wish SpaceX went with that design for dragon.
Guys how do I get a space loving gf? At best, whenever I spill my spaghetti on my space love autism girls will humor me at best, or actually get disgusted at worst. How do I find the one to go to the Mars launches with?
shits starting to look like silicon valley
>>16433793be tall and handsome and they will do anything you want
>>16433785Zhuque-3 and Tianlong-3 are supposed to have their first flights sometime next year, along with the Long March 12. The Long March 8A is supposed to be going into mass production so it can launch 50 times per year. China's commercial solids are still launching from barges because there's too much of a traffic jam at their inland launch sites. The Hainan commercial spaceport should be on line, since the LM-12 is going to be flying from there, and Xichang just got a commercial expansion approved. We should be seeing a surge already, but China's second-generation launch systems all seem to keep running into some kind of roadblock. The LM-5, 6, and 7 were going to launch enough that they were going to completely replace the LM-2, 3, and 4, but that never panned out. Now China is starting to throw all the shit at the wall at the same time to time to try so it can try to add up to something. I'm not sure what is going on in the back end, but there's something that's holding China back from accelerating the way it wants to.
I want to fuck cartoon rocket women
'ello and hey-hey! talk about flight five.https://youtu.be/Flv1W6AR-cU?si=Q1vw0JyPtn3G3ZVA&t=64
>>16433801Do that in private and stop posting your garbage. Only Clear is /sfg/ approved.
>>16433807You're a faggot wannabe janny
>>16433803Something about those fins… I’m not a fan of V2 hopefully it grows on me
One thing I will say about going in person is that the hype is kind of lost compared to /sfg/ posting simultaneously. Sure its there but I dont know, for me it ended much faster than I thought it would. Brownsville overall was nice though, and obviously great launch. The highlight though was the wait for liftoff and visiting Starbase, very strange. Did anyone else have similar experience?
>>16433812Kill yourself nigger your spam is annoying and you defend the FAA
>>16433813Looks like a squid
>>16433816Yeah kek
>>16433814I watched it streamed to my tv with my dad at 10 pm ausfag time. It was great, switching back to /sfg/ after it landed was amazing hype. I think I preferred it this way over actually being there. I would someday like to see in person a booster and ship take off, land, then restack and take off again
>>16433816If you karate chop Starship right below the header tank it dies and immediately turns translucent.
>>16433814the experience is not the same with our sfg bros kek
>>16433816de geso
>>16433827exactly what I was thinking, does anyone have the de geso starship edit?
>>16433828this?>>16424225
>>16433831yea that
>>16433750What? They couldn't have left a de-ITAR'ed raptor in there? Lame
>>16432699immediately shot down by cheap drones or small arms fire from the ground. pirates dream come true
>>16433750>starhopper upskirthmm
Solar is so dumb, the scale needed for even basic outpost power and fuel production on Mars is insanely preposterous
>>16433846Everything about the conquest of Mars is insanely preposterousThat's why it must be done
>>16432509elon is anti union and unions are anti elon
>>16433846ahemhttps://www.thespaceshow.com/show/11-feb-2020/broadcast-3459-dr.-robert-zubrin>When Zubrin pointed out that it would require 6-10 football fields of solar panels to refuel a single Starship Elon said "Fine, that's what we will do".
>>16433815crying little bitch who can't handle some pictures LMFAO
>>16433853>When Zubrin pointed out that it would require 6-10 football fields of solar panels to refuel a single Starship Elon said "Fine, that's what we will do".basedAlthough I wonder if SpaceX could get clearance to use RTGs or experiment with nuclear power. A handful of RTGs might be better than a fuckton of solar panels.
>>16433858RTGs are worthless for serious power. They just provide trickle power for instrumentation.
>>16433853Zubrin is wrong by virtue of being a jewish faggotMusk is wrong by virtue of being a bullheaded contrarian1 fuel pellet of uranium could replace an entire field of solar panels. I think Musk realizes it’s unrealistic from an “internal” standpoint i.e. too much red tape; ergo he has sort of accepted that panels will probably need to he spammed to the red planet. But that doesn’t mean he’s correct in that it’s the best way to do things. It would be like saying SS could be done with 100 hypergolic engines instead of 33 FFSC methalox engines. Yes it works but there are better solutions
>>16433858Solar would be technically simpler, but depending on when SpaceX gets around to this some of the reactor ideas that are being cooked up for Artemis might be available.
>>16433858I remain convinced that Musk's visit to Los Alamos will end up being part of Spacex skunkworks getting to play with the fun rocks as part of a program to develop next-gen submarine reactors and first-gen space ship/station/outpost reactors.
>>16433860>"uranium is superior">goes on to explain why uranium is inferiorRelying on fissionables from Earth is just giving the USG a way to fuck you in the ass whenever it wants.Nuclear is only practical if you can ISRU it with Martian fissionable fuel.
>>16433866even religiously pro-SpaceX spitterfags who show up in my algorithm like truthful and dsik or whatever his name is think that “iterative design” SX shouldn’t be allowed to pursue nuclear reactors lol
>>16433853>>16433858Why can Lockheed and Northrop play freely with nuclear material, but not Spacex??
>>16433868Oh shut up you know nothing
>>16433803strange to see scott being the most optimistic one of the three
>>16433244>>16433283Bros his post is gone did that anon actually kill himself
>>16433316>>16433320its used for the center engines spin starters right?
>>16433337It's built. And when the first V2 flies the second one will be done. You'd slow the scheduleAlso they need to do the relight in space so they can do a real orbit. Just land the starship on land with no legs like the high altitude flight tests of yore
https://x.com/austinbarnard45/status/1846386399857009118
>>16433888glass it, glass it allhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuLAVxrtWy0
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1846383752534282353>Liftoff at 23:45UTC on October 15, Long March 4C Y59 launched Gaofen-12 05 from Jiuquan
>>16433892do chinks still use hypergolic propellants for their first stage? that looks more like a conventional fuel flame
>>16433892Hypergol flames look so crisp
>>16433892how many beetles died this time
>>16433895udmh
>>16433895umdh
>>16433897It's hypergolic, so most of them. I'm pretty sure there haven't been any beetles within a mile of the Proton pad at Baikonur since 1966
>>16433899>>16433900ah so it is hypergolic, thanks anonsomeday that shit is going to blow up on them and there will be a thousand dead chinks
>>16433904wowa whole kilochink
>>16433905is that a tragedy or is it large enough to be considered a statistic?
>>16433904already happened years ago. either a school or a village got wiped out depends on which version you heard.
>>16433905That's as much as 1000 cubic chinks
what happened to oneweb? they launched like 600 satellites then faded away.
cool space fact of the day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora#Unusual_types
>>16433913You don't hear that much about operational telecommunications constellations. They're still there, still doing their job for their customers.
i love the fact that china can do whatever the fuck they want and nobody cares, dropping boosters onto their people, launching their exploding second stages, creating thousands of debris pieces due to ASAT tests, sending super shiny and reflective satellites, just name it, but Musk discharges some water and he has everyone against him lmao
>>16433904>>16433910https://x.com/ron_eisele/status/1228454678251417600>15 February 1996. At the Xichang Satellite Launch Centre in China, a Long March 3B rocket, carrying Intelsat 708, crashed into a rural town after lift-off, resulting in a significant but unconfirmed number of casualties.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelsat_708>The nature and extent of the damage remain a subject of dispute. The Chinese government, through its official Xinhua news agency, reported that six people were killed and 57 injured. Western media speculated that between a few dozen and 500 people might have been killed in the crash; "dozens, if not hundreds" of people were seen to gather outside the center's main gate near the crash site the night before launch. When reporters were being taken away from the site, they found that most buildings had sustained serious damage or had been flattened completely. Some eyewitnesses were noted as having seen dozens of ambulances and many flatbed trucks, loaded with what could have been human remains, being taken to the local hospital. In the years to follow, the village that used to border the launch center has vanished, with little trace it ever existed. However, Chen Lan writing in The Space Review later said the total population of the village was under 1000, and that most if not all of the population had been evacuated before launch as had been common practice since the 1980s, making it "very unlikely" that there were hundreds of deaths.
>>16433917people care but the government doesnt
>>16433814shut the fuck up nigger, being able to walk RIGHT up to the starship is fucking amazing, AND there's a public beach RIGHT NEXT TO THE FUCKING GIANT ROCKET SITTING ON THE PAD where you can go camping and swimming at. Yes, you can literally be swimming while watching the rocket get carried by the chopsticks. It's like going to a music festival FOR FREE, the air is full of magic and south padre island beaches are also a blast to visit. enough with this retarded 4chan contrarianism.
>>16433866I really doubt the navy will move away from PWRs any time soon. And those are worthless for space
>>16433920 You are 3 standard deviations from the mean IQ. I literally in that message said THE BEST PART OF THE TRIP WAS GOING TO STARBASE WHICH YOU YOURSELF LITERALLY SAID WAS THE BEST. You are AGREEING with me ans yet somehow disagreeing because you are so stupid you confuse the two. Nobody is being contrarian you are just making a fool of yourself, and now you wont admit that you were blatantly wrong becaude your ego is too inflated to admit that.
>>16433927>You are 3 standard deviations from the mean IQ.Yeah, in the upwards direction>now you wont admit that you were blatantly wrong becaude your ego is too inflated to admit that.>becaudeYou were saying?
Does anyone know what the planned reentry path for Starship will be when they attempt to land at Starbase?
>>16433927You are another edgy 4channer downplaying good things in life, like the typical contrarians here that act like japan isn't a big deal. You live an awful awkward life being a miserable nerd, kill yourself.
>>16433931your moms house
>>16433932Japan is a mid-range deal
>>16433932I am downplaying IFT-5s significance in the humanitys future among the stars because I… thought the better viewing experience was while posting on here? And to clarify, I still agree that this was one of the best trips of my life specifically because of the Starbase visit and beach stay, and I post on /sfg/ constantly praising SpaceX and Musk saying they are literally the only reason we are going to Mars, AND you strawman Japan hate onto me for whatever reason (seems like projection of some previous argument with another anon). Somehow these actions downplay IFT-5 everyone, sorry but it seems that if you like posting here you are anti-SpaceX.>>16433930>minor spelling error = automatic lossAlso fair play on upwards, I thought about what I had typed after I hit post and realized I shouldnt have left that open so good on you catching that.
>NASA still hasnt cancelled Artemis and switched solely to using funding on science missions/probes
>>16433927lmfao you're shaking little bitch boy
Yes I did make a collage. Thanks for asking.
>>16433954This anon posted this with tears streaming down his face and soiled pants.
>>16433956>>>/n/
>>16433946Your original post has a strange, nihilistic slant, as if you're subtly suggesting that going there isn't worth anyone's time. It reminds me of other 4chan critters which try to convince others that something is bad for an arbitrary or unfounded reason. Anyways, anons, it's worth taking a trip out there if you haven't already!
>>16433956Is that a COLLAGEAhhh help me Clear-chan I'm going insane
>>1643395611 images? in ONE collage? that's slightly over 10 cubic centacollages
>>16433967I am evolving
>>16433962??? I literally said that it was a great launch. The first two anons that replied to the original also recognized that I said the trip was great and that I was ONLY speaking to the viewing experience in my PREFERENCE, not if it was overall good or bad. I again literally said great launch, it was ONLY YOU that thought I was saying dont visit Brownsville because again, you have to be really fucking stupid to think that.
>coworkers start talking about space againJust kidding. This never happens because space became autistic for some reason.
>>16433970Huh wuhh? Oh man time for my 4chan argument chains
>>16433972It's fun to insert yourself into the argument, deftly impersonating one of the arguers. They hate it!
Will we ever solve the radiation problem?
>>16433974Store your water in walls of your ship, hab, station, etc. Problem solved
>>16433971Remember when Elon was POPULAR in the media?
>>16433977Disgusting creature, it needs to be thrown to the vacuum
>>16433976Solved problem
>>16433980FUCK wrong articleHang on
>>16433983Here
Ok now that its just the regulars left, propose a better way to have humanity live on microgravity bodies than rotary stations. Go on, Im all ears.
>>16434002Just get over the minigravity.
>>16434004I refuse to have my legs snap from just standing up.
These things are so obviously for Mars its almost embarrassing.
>>16434002Become one with the machine. It is inevitable.
>>16434008They look gay. I dont know if its the posture but they give off homosexual vibes. Actually its probably the positioning of the hands.
The catch looked fucking easier than a F9 landing. Every F9 landing still has that little bounce, and is always off center. shit tips sometimes, a leg breaks, shifting seas. it's amazing that shit works at all. The tower is a completely controlled environment, and superheavy is so big it seems to allow a lot more margin
>>16434006They are more likely to do that in regular gravity than minigravity
>>16434002Have there even been any conclusive studies that show that living in low (but not zero) gravity for long term is going to cause unrecoverable health issues? Loss of bone density and muscle isn't that terrible if you don't even plan on going back to a high-g environment, right? I guess pregnancy is a bigger concern, but there also haven't been any studies on pregnancy in low-g, jello babies are just speculation.>>16434012I think its the shoulder to hip ratio, they have wide shoulders like men but also wide hips like women, some gays seem to have that body type.
>>16434021they'll look better when they start putting skin on them
>>16434023Theyll look like fags.
>>16434023They will look worse when they put skin on them, no one likes uncanny robot people except for fetishists.
>>16434026that was in the 80s, they didnt know how to make robots back then. elon wants to fuck a robot, so he will copy westworld. self cleaning vagina
>>16434026Put the fries in the bag man
Just 20 says until the future of spaceflight is decided.
when will X get 4k60 streaming? at least for spacex streams
>glance at the wikipedia article for centrifugal force>Reads as if a schizo wrote it
>>16434038"soon"- Elon Musk
Where are the 4'11 robots with hips for days? Their low center of mass makes them inherently more stable and more can be packed on starship.
>>16434046how so? it is actually a fictious force. I thought it would be talking about how its a fake force like gravity invented by the illuminati in the 1700s to prevent people realising the earth is flat and only 2000 years old
>>16434027>>16434028>>16434026>>16434021Skin for them is never happening. Elon wants a specific aesthetic.
>>16434071I'm putting skin on mine
>>16434002>microgravityThis is the blackest possible pill for well dwellers. Perhaps there's no way around it, unless we somehow modify our DNA, so that we are able to withstand living in an environment with different gravity in the long term. O'neillfags, you win this time...
https://x.com/FccSpace/status/1846262308969808145FLIGHT 6 LICENSE GRANTEDITS HAPPENING
Im bloeing cum out my ass. anal succesful!
>>16433035Some fucker in a previous thread gave me shit of asking whether the booster actually landed on the fins, and it turns out it didn't, fuck you.
>>>/pol/484970150Hey it looks like they're defending SpaceX pretty well.
>>16434090>FCCit's a start
>>16434096Wise words >>484970787>True space exploration won't be happening until implosion-based propulsion becomes widely available
>>16434105Hardly, its a Russian pipe dream
These guys seem cool
>>16432426Stunning wallpaper promoting a stunning mission. The only mission more exciting than JUICE and Clipper is Dragonfly.
>>16434098It's not. What's interesting isn't that they're getting regulatory approval. After the shitshow with the EPA and FWS and Elon suing the FAA, and seeing how fast they fell into line afterwards, it's a given the feds will play ball for flight 6. And they already have the launch license for 6 either way.It's that it we have an earliest date for a possible launch and it's as early as next friday (obviously subject to typical elon time dilation).
>>16433702Starship has effectively surpassed 2016 F9 in terms of cadence and reusability with flight 5. It could launch Starlink v3 on Flight 6 should they choose, but they may want to focus on ship catching and orbital refilling next.
>>16434112We unironically need to solve our problem down here first or do you want Martian cities to be London, NYC, Paris tier shitholes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjOuqAlFEk
>>16434123You can stay down here and solve the Earth's problems
>In a regulatory filing early Tuesday, the company announced plans to borrow $10 billion from a consortium of banks. It also separately announced plans to raise $25 billion by selling stock and debt. The $10 billion borrowing plans would be included in the $25 billion that Boeing filed to raise. >Boeing’s credit rating has plunged to the lowest investment-grade level – just above “junk bond” status – and major credit rating agencies have warned Boeing is in danger of being downgraded to junk.https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/15/investing/boeing-cash-crisis/index.htmlsoon
>>16434123Not watching this, let me guess...Niggers?Its always niggers. Someone else can spend the 13 minutes, just to tell me that I'm right.
>>16434112this, but for anyone who speaks ill of elon musk
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear
>>16434122I thought they still needed to test a in space relight of the engines before they can put anything into orbit?
>>16434128Nah he said we shouldn't colonize Mars so that we don't contaminate it. I say we shouldn't colonize it until we solve the problems down here first(you know what the problem is)
>china gets their own starlinkhow does the US military defeat it in a war?
Scorched Earth motherfuckers
>>16434145Plasma magnets solve evrything
>>16434143They can do whatever they want, the FAA will license it. Depends on SpaceX's confidence level
>>16434147>I MAED POOPY PANTS! BLUMPF!!
Astrolab unveils smaller lunar rover >In a presentation at the International Astronautical Congress here Oct. 15, Astrolab announced plans to build the FLEX Lunar Innovation Platform, or FLIP, rover for launch as soon as the end of 2025.>Astrolab did not disclose how it will get FLIP to the moon other that it will use one of the commercial lunar landers developed to support NASA’s Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS) program. “It’s designed to work with some of the CLPS landers. There are a couple in this weight class, so we’re hopeful to get it flight-ready by the end of next year and assess our options.” >FLIP is designed for the south pole of the moon, with features like a vertical solar array optimized for operations there. “That’s ultimately where we think the market is going to be,” he said. It also makes it easier to survive the lunar night, which can be shorter based on lighting conditions; the goal with FLIP to make it through at least one lunar night. https://spacenews.com/astrolab-unveils-smaller-lunar-rover/
>>16434147When will he be giving talk in Europe?
>>16432759damn would you look at those rocks having such different colors what interesting geology could this be related to
>>16434127Basedfuck boing
>>16434158When there is a serious push to dissolve the EU, he'll be there
>>16434154those spokes (strings) don't look robust.
>>16434177Agreed. I'm not a stockholder, and their behavior is unacceptable. Zero it out the stockholders (fuck you 401k faggots), bankruptcy, and current space projects spun off under new leadership, or outright cancelled.Their aircraft division can be broken up into 3 - 4 competing companies, starting next year, each with a share of the assets. They can each take the tech they inherit, and run with it.
>>16433268mostly you'd need to deal with it being an uninhabitable salt marsh and also the cartels
>>16433321no, they warped during the 10g aerodynamic deceleration right before the engines lit, when the bottom of the vehicle was glowing red hot
https://x.com/LH2NHI/status/1846208122161189194
>>16432426How will SpaceX catch the Starship? Since they have to deorbit and reenter the Starship above America, wont the potential hazardous zone be in populated areas? Seems pretty hard to get an approval for it.
>>16434196The Vulcan rocket test 2 lost 28% of its payload capacity due to the SRB failure.
>>16434002>ywn stroll down the river in the park in the rotor city on the moon
#ReleaseTheBuoyCut
>>16434197On a boat in the atlantic and ferry it back to the gulf maybe.
>>16433918>carrying Intelsat 708American payload btw kek
>>16434071>skin who wants that
How do they add catching points on Starship for the catch given that they'd be in the plasma flow during re-entry?
reminder ULA is partly owned by boeing and up for sale but cant find a buyer because the suits want ridiculous money for it. ULA is going to be dead soon, along with boing!
>>16434123>London, NYC, ParisAs an engineering problem this is easy to avoid, the answers are known
>>16434209Aren't the flaps the catch points?
>>16434154>mass autism
>>16434210>Boeing lobbies to make it impossible for competition to make a new commercial jet>Boeing dies>Regulation is still in place >No new jetsI see why Elon always talks about how laws should have a lifespan
>>16433870that's because truthful is a retarded child and dead kennedy faggot is a wojak posting retardneither of them are very smart, if you want the real shit you need to find somebody with a seal profile picture
>>16434223like this one?
>>16433698Two biggest pieces of shit ever made
>>16433793tfw no qt redhead russian kosmonaut mars gf
>>16433908bro that's not even a tuesday>>16434021the longest that anybody has ever spent in low gravity is Apollo 17 with three days or whatever, we just don't know and NASA refuses to study it>>16434226hell yeah
>>16434229>nearly half a trillion dollars >starship could launch the same volume in one rocket>SpaceX wants to build 1000 a year>costs are already less than F9Normalfags still have no idea what's coming
>>16434234>same volume in one launch>same mass in three>1000 a year
>>16433699The Space Shuttle was a piece of shit that killed 14 astronauts, cost 2 billion per launch, and contributed to the complete stagnation of spaceflight development for 30 years. It would have been cheaper and safer to continue flying the Saturn V.
>>16434236spacex may very well refly a full starship stack by the end of 2025
>>16433604>TRABwatexplain acronym
>>16434246thermocouple radiative active bussy
>>16434246I read it as KWAB
>>16434079>O'neillfags, you win this time...We are inevitable and every knee shall bow
>>16434254Never you stupid tubecel
>>16434258
>>16434258don't get uppity
>>16434203Did they ever release the full buoy video from IFT- 4 they got of superheavy landing in the ocean? I wonder if there's some reason why they can't release the whole thing.>>16434205The plan is to catch it on the chopsticks too so I'm wondering how they're gonna do this as well.>>16434209They use the chopsticks to lift starship onto superheavy so whatever points they use for that I guess.
>>16434219Laws don't need a lifespan, they just need sensible people to change or repeal them when they're not fit for purpose anymore.
Esoteric Contolism
>>16434250>>16434253ha bloody ha but I want to know what TRAB is and searching doesn't give anything relevant
>>16434268We used to tar & feather lawmakers who got out of line
>>16433858>RTGsWe already know what's going to be providing power for future bases, solar panels will be useless on the moon 6 months out of the year unless it's on the poles and even then you'd have to bring tonnes of them to match output and RTGs were good for supplying the electricity lean Apollo landings not a long term base with modern energy requirements in addition to whatever ISRU is going to be done there.
>>16433858Companies are already working on small nuclear reactors for moon bases, it's gonna be interesting to see how pissy governments get when Nasa or whoever asks to launch one.https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/our-stories/discover/2023/uk-space-agency-backs-rolls-royce-nuclear-power-for-moon-exploration.aspx
>>16434211>he think these cities have an engineering problem
>>16434234>Normalfags still have no idea what's comingmore planetary probes?
>>16434273Thermally Regenerative Ammonia BatteriesNot super energy dense but if the problem is heat not power they can be useful.
>>16432930You're delusional. Biden publicly said Musk should be looked into and suddenly there were multiple federal investigations and lawsuits from agencies headed by nominal Biden appointees. Do you think the private communications were for some unknowable reason more reserved than the public announcements? Of course not. The Biden admin ordered it and it happened.This like arguing that pressing the button on the remote control might not have been what turned on the TV because you couldn't see the IR signal with your own eyes.
>>16432930IM NOT VOTING CAMELTOE SFG IS A MAGA BOARD
>>16434289>Breakthrough Starshot>LUVOIR>HabEx>Deep Space relay networksMore planetary probes are just the start, so many missions were dismissed outright because the cost of getting things up there were simply too high or performing in orbit assembly too difficult.
IM A CHAD GROYPER
>>16433131moving fluid through a tube at moderate speeds and pressures on the ground was the real great filterit's over for humanity
IM NEVER VOTING CUM-SWALA
>>16434291this is just an ammonia cold pack, isn't itI can be trusted with large quantities of ammonium nitrate
>>16434268>humans should just act a certain waygreat plan dumbass, it's not like every system that requires that has failed
>>16434297Those missions could easily cost 100 times the cost of a Starship launch
>>16433667>bezoid opinionsnot spaceflight
>>16433695I just didn't feel like it
>>16433760V1, V2, V3, und so weiter
>>16433793In my experience, regardless of ones own personal characteristics, once every few girlfriends you find one who would do anything for you
>>16433821Imagine being onboard
>>16433586Passive thermal control was used on the Apollo CM which was thin SS sheet on the outer layer, but im pretty sure it also had a radiator to pass liquid coolant through also. nothing very big, but it was only 3 guys and some old school electronics (which did run pretty warm, probably warmer than modern equipment).
>>16434287AS an engineering problem. As in, what are the problems I'm solving for, how do I solve them, it's all a known
its well known among top private investors in spacex that the company is sceduled to go public in 2027.with that in mind, Musk won't be able to do any outlandish million people on Mars plan because he will not be able to explain how that is a responsible use of company funds and will face a lawsuit from shareholders. How does he get around this?It is suspicious that he has never even tried to send something to Mars depsite having the capability for well over a decade now.
>>16434327Dude, musk has been saying spacex will be going public in a few years since 2007.It'll never happen so long as elon is alive. Starlink going public, probably, but not spacex.
>>16434329so he is just defrauding private investors? how does he keep getting away with it?
>>16434327>going publiclol no>suspiciousNASA told him not to with Dragon and after Starship development started they never looked back. They aren't a science organization. They have no incentive to send a probe or something.
>>16434332What investors?
>>16434334NASA didnt explicitly tell him not to, they just didnt do red dragon. SpaceX could have done it on their own dime.
I don't recall Musk ever being serious about SpaceX going public. He hinted at spinning off Starlink, but not SpaceX proper.
>>16434335anon, where do you think spacex gets money from when it does funding rounds?
if starlink goes public I am dumping my entire life's savings into it
>>16434337Musk never says it, but big investors in SpaceX say Musk has promised it will go public in 2027 behind closed doors
>>16434336wrong >>16367429
>>16434335google owned like 8% of company back in 2015
>>16434197the best part about Boca chica is it's way down in Texas so the rentry would be over Mexico and not the USA
>>16434342sauce?
>>16434342Don't they give investors a choice to sell their share, why does it matter.
>>16434334>no incentive to send a probe or something.how about putting a tesla in orbit or something? there must be an incentive for that. maybe with a bunch of starlink sats so we can get constant footage?
>>16434327lol after Elon's twitter experience there's no way SpaceX is going publicafter a few years Starlink will be spun off and taken public though.
>>16434336No, they told them not to and threatened to withhold all future NASA funding. It would've proved the SLS obsolete.
wouldn't it be harder to fund spacex with starlink if it starlink was public
>>16434354Yeah. Going public makes no sense. The thing is a money printer, what do you need retail money for
>>16434354people shovel VC money into SpaceX like it's a coal powered trainElon says jump and they say how high
>>16434349>Putting a Tesla in orbit Imagine putting yourself as a newfag so badly kek
>>16434354it would be the initial sale for a big, single infusion of cash
>>16434358so youre saying their money is coal? bad analogy dude...
>>16434349lol
>>16434366but why would they need that, I don't think they can scale up starship program even more
If starship launches are going to be so cheap, cheaper that falcon launches, why haven't I heard any plans for starship to replace falcon 9 for commercial cargo for ISS?
>>16434364what? it was just a joke. there wasn't a great deal of incentive to launch the car other than good publicity.
>>16434370ISS is scheduled to deorbit in 6 years, moron.
>>16434370ISS is going to the bottom of the deep blue sea
>>16434370SX are trying to switch Dragon XL deliveries to Gateway to Starship eventuallyRe-negotiating the ISS contract probably isn’t worth it. They’re going to have F9 online for the duration of ISS operations (they’re literally de-orbiting the Station with a Dragon) and they’re making money from the contract so why scramble that up
>>16434369this was all back when spacex was burning through way more cash than they had and starlink didn't seem possible without getting starship up and running. I don't think they need the money anymore. At this point, the only reason I could see them spinning of starlink into a private company is to distance it from Musk and turn it into the bureaucratic monster that a global ISP just necessarily must become.
nasa should smell the way the wind is blowing and run for the hills from spacex.
>>16434377all jokes aside, my wife hates musk and will not buy starlink so long as he is incharge. i hate fuck her every night to get her to change her mind but she never does.
>>16434387SPOILER ALERT: No.
>>16434387Nope!
>>16434387>hydrogen-breathersNot our kind of life
Tesla is going private (it was revealed to me during an LSD tirp)
>>16434344so you're saying SpaceX is colluding with Google to give worse search results?
>>16434395>tirp
>>16434395>LSDnow if you said you saw it while in a k-hole I would believe you
>>16434400musk is at his best when hes in a k-hole. i love it when he says there is no way to surgarcoat [INSERT YOUR ITEM]
buy an ad
>>16434407purchase advertisment
>>164344074ASS will
Now that the dust has settled, glushko was a huge fag right?
>>16433858Am I retarded (yes) or would it be a lot easier to build solar thermal out of raw materials than solar panels?
>>16433870>argument by reference to third party opinionsembarrassing
Thoughts on the Axiom suit?
>>16433920>It's like going to a music festivalSounds horrible
>>16434422I was pointing out how dumb they were
>>16434419concentrated solar would work, solar power tower type design, using a molten salt. Hardest part is stopping it getting so hot everything just melts
>>16433971I just unwanted conversationmaxx in the office. What are they going to do about it, fire me?
lol
>>16434435all I see is the wojak memes now
>>16434425>>16434435My rotator cuffs are screaming in anguish.
>>16434442sounds like you dont have the Right Stuff
>>16434445No, I don't have that particular brand of The Right Stuff.
>>16434327>elon will intentionally sabotage the thing he's made his life's workHe's not as retarded as whoever thought this was true
>>16434346A guy made it up earlier in the thread
>>16434332>elon defrauding investorshe would neverof course not
>>16434428Oh, my apologies
>>16434435>>16434425the suits are quite impressive in how much pressure they are designed to hold. apollo cheated by only using 40% of sea level pressure inside the suits.
>>16434462how much pressure axiom's suit is designed to hold?
>>16434462They did that for the sake of mobility, which was still awful. It’s not hard to hold 1 atm, it just makes it difficult to bend your knees and shit
>muh ice strikes just do this
>>16434467Shuttle is already dead so… what’s your point?
Reminder that posts randomly linking to or bringing up ecelebs are advertisement and can be reported as such
>>16434370The ISS had serious issues when the Shuttle was docking to it. Sticking something that large onto one end kills the station's ability to maneuver if it needs to dodge debris and puts huge amounts of torque onto things that really don't like those sorts of forces. Starship has more mass than the Shuttle did and would be worse in all of these respects.
>>16434370>resupplying a space station with a ship the same size Anyway NASA is still pretending like Starship isn't a thing
>>16434465basically 1 atmosphere or close to it. so more than double apollo. the apollo sutis would be super rigid at that pressure. >>16434466the axiom suits will probably have superior mobility to apollo with more than double the internal presure which is the impressive part.
>>16434476HLS is a thing, newfag.
>>16434370Seen here, the modular Gateway spacecraft docked to the massive Starship Lunar Station
How does Axiom manage to get paid to organise missions? Considering a lot of the astronauts and experiments sent up on these 1-2 week ISS missons are already from the likes of ESA, why wouldn't they just contract with SpaceX directly instead of through Axiom as a middleman?
>>16434480They fired the lady that did that and none of the labs have refocused any probe design to what the Starship architecture implies. Not even studies
>>16434483>TWO StarshipsAbsolutely Mogged
>>16434475Starship is big enough to carry a little capsule to shuttle crew and cargo back and forth to a station
>>16434485Yeah I’ve never understood it either but apparently Axiom has financial problems and hasn’t paid the SX bills
>>16434496I know, it's just strange how it works at all when surely that would only ever increase the cost of a mission on ESA's part?
>>16434483they are big guys
>>16434490Imagine a hub module with docking ports arranged around in rings on both ends, each port taken up by a Starship. You could have dozens of people living and working comfortably on a station of that scale. Hell if you were on a station like that you might go days without seeing the crew who work way on the other side, living in their own section.
reminde that posts randomly criticizing kyplanet are paid shills
>>16434500>randomlyYou've spammed shit three times this morning, fuck off already
>>16434499imagine the station keeping bill
>>16434501I could jump on the sun but I'm built different
>>16434483I still think we'll see a transfer variant Starship. One without legs, tiles or flaps meant for going to Gateway or LMO from LEO
>>16434479>1 atmosphere or close to itdo you have a source for this? this video seems to suggest 4.3 psi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FerFv7BZAwo&t=873s
>>16434503i dont even post it, hes a based channel with the right opinions on elon.
>>16434513>SpaceX is doing great DESPITE him, NOT because of himWho is the main originator of this inane phrase? I've seen it a dozen times by now from different people. It's all they know to parrot.
>>16434513more airlock fodderI fucking hate these e celebs
>>16434513Why is it so hard for people to believe the guy who founded a rocket company knows how to make rockets?
>>16434370ISS is NASA/gov and contracted with Falcon 9/Crew Dragon not Starship.
>>16434513a tranny seether
>>16434513Imagine how shit leadership at every other commercial space company is if Musk is nothing but a negative at SpaceX.
>>16434513This little faggot deleted an entire video after I left a mean comment >>16434524Is he actually or is that an insult
>>16434513Why do you post disingenuously? It's already hard enough to figure out what people think without assholes pretending all the time.
>>16434534a tranny can be spotted from their views on Musk
>>16434494She could poke someone's eye out with those things
>>16434534>Is he actually or is that an insultIf your view on musk is negative, then you've been brainwashed. Hence, that literal who has no functioning brain that can think on their own
>>16434538Damn lol
>>16434538she's clearly modelling herself on the Apollo Command Module.
>>16434376>SX are trying to switch Dragon XL deliveries to Gateway to Starship eventuallyDragon XL is delayed because Gateway is delayed, not because SpaceX wants to switch Dragon XL for Starship.
>>16434562gateway is delayed because spacex lied about the heavy lift capabilites of falcon heavy.
>>16434571gateway is delayed because northrup grumman lied about their ability to stick a little life support in a cygnus.
>>16434562No, SpaceX said they were looking into re-negotiating the contract
Whats the likely ceiling of starlink growth?
>>16434577gateway was ready to launch this year but at the last minute spacex went "akschually falcon ehavy cant lift that much, tee-hee!" and now nasa engineers are left scratching their heads trying to shave mass from the already finished gateway
>>16434581that is an awful x axis and an awful chart
>>16434586Those dates are when spacex released numbers, we have no other dates to go off of.
>>16434587WTF! is this real?
>>16434571>gateway is delayed because spacex lied about the heavy lift capabilites of falcon heavyNASA set a weight limit for PPE/HALO based on what SpaceX told them FH's payload was, Northrop fucked up and exceeded that weight limit.
>>16434589
A huge limiting factor for human spaceflight (both space suits and space stations) is the fact that life support is apparently very hard
>>16434582What are you talking about? Cite your claim.
>>16434538>>16434543>>16434553its a bullet bra, aka torpedo tits.it was the style at the time
>>16434596the ISS is currently the minimum viable life support system devised for a crew of less tha 10. good luck pushing that weight to Mars and back, because thats what it would require to crew a starship
>>16434582>already finisheddoubt lol
>>16434582it just sounds unlikely, that's all i'm saying
>>16434601current ISS mass is 50% dead thinkpads at this point
Mars ships should be the classic dumbbell shape with a nuclear engine not chemfuelled aerobraking cringe
>>16434606planefag pls go
>>16434599I know and I’ve never understood the appeal. Wasn’t it a 50s / 60s trend?>>16434601SX loves to do everything in-house but, at least originally, Dragon 2’s life support was outsourced. They’ve probably moved it internally at this point but it’s still a PITA and I’ve heard people cite life support as one of the most challenging aspects of human flight
>>16434609who?
>>164345812-3% of total rural population of the Earth is the target set by Elon and affirmed by Gwynne across multiple conferences and reveal of the Starlink capability. 2-3% of total global rural population is between 2-300 million people. Starlink currently has captured 1.8% of their TAM. If Starlink successfully captures let's say 30% of the TAM, that's 75M people. Assuming a weighted average monthly cost of $40/mo, that nets SpaceX a monthly revenue of $3,000,000,000 or $3Bn, which translates into $36Bn annually. If they capture 60% of their TAM, it's $72Bn annually, and if they capture 100% of their TAM (the 2.5% target), they will generate $111.6Bn annually purely from civilian population capture. You can probably add another 25Bn on top of that between DoD and commercial contracts. Maybe another 10-25Bn beyond that for gigabit backhaul too. So the theoretical potential of Starlink is in the ballpark of $160-175Bn annually.
>>16434610The problem is water. Submarines can support 170 people for 7 months just fine, but only because they have an unlimited constant water source for electrolysis
zero doubts that moonwalking mechazilla was elon's idea
>>16434610>never understood the appealthe appeal is booba. it exaggerates perceived booba size
>>16434596>life support is apparently very hardJust like everything else turned out to be, right?
>>16434617A fellow connoisseur
>>16434606Well right now all we have is chemfuelled aerobraking cringe and I'd like to go in my lifetime so fuck off
>>16434621ignore spacex and consider everyone else struggles with almost every facet of rocketry lol. SX don’t count they are a HUGE exception to the rule
>>16434582>The HALO’s mass is the primary driver of the CMV exceeding its mass allocation.>The HALO’s mass increased last year as the project matured its design for internal structures and started receiving more accurate estimates of hardware weights or the hardware itself.>In addition, project officials said the HALO’s mass increased by 602 kilograms because the project’s contractor used an incorrect estimation method to calculate wire harness mass.GAO-24-106878
>>16434581The Indian market alone can probably add 10 million customers, though with lower prices
>>16434625I'm pretty sure Axiom made something to do with life support for $100,000 that was roughly $14,000,000 on the ISS. And Axiom isn't even that far removed from NASA as far as "space is hard" goes
>>16434629Brapped just now
>>16434614Apparently the ISS uses something like 1.25l/day per astronaut, with the recycling system. With that same system, a say 200-day Mars Starship would then need 250L, so 250kg per person just for water
>>16434622Unironically women would be sexier with 6 boobs. Even 4 would be a major upgrade.
>on final stretch of voyage to Mars>base you want to land at is in a dust storm, poor visibility so you just crash and die?
>>16434636or you just hang out in orbit for a few weeks?
>>16434636Dust storms are a non issue and you are basing your expectations off the reddit movie
>>16434633that's still only 25 tons then for 100 people
>>16434612Is that enough for a mars colony?
>>16434635I've had this thought myself, how can we meme these broads into doing it?>>16434637not on Starship, you are committed to aerobraking and landing
>>16434636Yes. Dust storms on mars are notorious, they blow the rovers around like paper mache. Watch the Martian for example
>>16434643>doing itYou think people can grow more boobs just like that?
>>16434636Mars' atmosphere has 1% the density of Earth's, that means 200km/h winds, which will kill you on Earth, have the same level of pressure as being poked by a q-tip. Wind velocity would have to exceed several thousand kilometers per hour to be any threat to something as massive as Starship. I would also reasonably expect that prior to any crew launch to the surface of the planet, SpaceX will likely send one or two cargo ships which will deploy Starlink Gen3 or Gen4 satellites, into high Mars orbit, which would have Mars observation capabilities, such that any crew ship coming in, would have a realtime laser link of the surface. It takes light 7 minutes to get from Mars to Earth, and any ship halfway in journey, would get it in 3 minutes. That's an acceptable light lag in a 3-4 months journey to get actual surface and atmospheric conditions to better plan for landing sites. It's a complete non-issue.
>>16434626>not actually a problem because FH is strongerlmao based
>>16434633>a couple tons for a normal tripIt's insane how easy literally everything gets once mass is cheap
>>16434646Cosmetic surgery nigga. Only problem is nipples and areolas - tissue printing might be useful here
>>16434647>Mars' atmosphere has 1% the density of Earth'sWrong, it's 0.6%.
>>16434633sounding more feasible all the time.
>>16434644>>16434647>ask about visibility >spergs reply about wind pressure
>>16434651>250LThats nothing, I got a 1000L tub of windshield wash next to me and that makes a cube less than half my height.
>>16434642Yes. I would expect that upkeep costs of the entire Starlink network of Gen2 and 3 satellites in the future, at full deployment capacity to range in the 20-30Bn annually, 50Bn max. Which then leaves around 50-60Bn on the table at the conservative annual revenue estimates. You may lose another 10-20Bn in taxes, which then leaves you with 30-40Bn in actual usable cash that you can invest into Mars initiatives. (In this example, we're going based on annual revenues purely from civilian market capture, as that's less vague due ascertain). https://www.un.org/en/un-chronicle/it%E2%80%99s-all-about-cities-we-mustn%E2%80%99t-flip-coin-sustainable-investment#:~:text=Still%2C%20results%20from%20a%202020,for%20a%20medium-sized%20developing>Still, results from a 2020 study by UN-Habitat—the United Nations agency for human settlements and sustainable cities—show that achieving SDG 11 in a small city in a developing country could cost anywhere from $20 million to $50 million annually; from $140 million to more than $500 million for a medium-sized developing city in Colombia, India or BoliviaThis is a fair enough example, as you have to build a city with zero on the ground infrastructure to support from scratch, so you'd have to import in everything and reinvent just about everything. 1/2 a billion for a medium sized city is trivial if you have a 30-40Bn in cash available. Let's assume half that will go into transport of goods and materials TO Mars. That still leaves around 15-20Bn on the table (let's assume 17.5Bn as the median availability). Let's assume that around 80% of that will go into administration, logistics, governance, regulations, infrastructure, etc, all common things for building and running a city which is 14Bn. That then leaves you with: 3.5Bn in capital which you can invest directly into the city itself. We know from the RGV lawsuit that ALL of Starbase and Starship costs $1.5Bn annually. There's around 500 people daily there. 3.5Bn ~= 1,166 ppl
>>16434662whoops meant for >>16434633
>>16434660The paragraph answered the visibility question, retard.>>16434656Your autism clearly exceeds mine.
>>16434662it's that easy in rocketry
>>16434665>lose 10-20bn in taxesthe absolute state
>>16434665>1,166 pplThats a far cry from the million elon thinks we need.
>>16434668Starship to Mars is on a rigid timetable for entry, weather satellites won't help anything as the trajectory can't be altered
Only gaybos like Mars.
The chances of SLS getting outright cancelled in the next four (4) years is pretty high right now
>>16434682Fuck off kyplanet
>>16434683Will be even higher if a certain thing happens in 19 days
>>16434682I'm trans, what does that mean I like?
>>16434687Venus.
>>16434665>>16434676So each year, the capital available lets you push 1,166 people to Mars. Let's assume the 80/20 rule again and say 80% will stay, 20% will return. That means you are retaining an annual population of 933 for $3.5Bn on another world that requires an immense amount of initial investment cost for them to keep alive, support in all avenues of their existence, and to facilitate additional investment in development of new industries, technology hubs, biotech hubs, agriculture hubs, compute hubs, research and development hubs, education hubs, manufacturing hubs, the list goes on. Let's also assume that 2035 is the earliest where this large scale investment in Mars begins. Over 10 years, that population will increase linearly to 9,333. This also doesn't take into account population expansion as a result of children being born on Mars, and I'm not going to attempt to calculate for that as it further complicates the Math (as you have to also then calculate death rates, and on a hostile planet with near zero margin for error, that's even harder). So 10 years = 9.3k growth average. Elon will live probably for another 40 years, 10 of which will go into getting to the 2035 starting line. That gives him 30 years to help build out Mars. Let's say 25 of those are useful years. That means you can push a total of 32,550 people to Mars by 2060 roughly. A city is considered to be official and of size when population reaches a minimum quantity of 50,000. Cities are growing at 1.5% projected in the US today: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-rate-of-change-in-urban-populations?tab=chart&country=~USA, as a brand new city, let's go with 1955 numbers and say 3.5% annually. So 10y cycle at 3.5% gets you... 3,255 people times 3 blocks of 10 gets you another 9,765 people for a total of approximately 42,315 people by the time Elon dies of old age. Just shy of a real city on Mars.All of this is napkin math and is heavily assumed and approximated, could be all wrong.
>>16434610>I’ve heard people cite life support as one of the most challenging aspects of human flightit defintiely is.this is why gateway will not be permenantly manned.manned deep space missions were never really possible with apollo because the life support was all consumables. Making LEO space stations was like a fist leap into deep space stuff, and we found that economically viable long duration life support is not coming any time soon.Gateway is a retreat to the skylab days. Its over.
>>16434660What are you even talking about
>>16434696just add water
>>16434684Obsessed
>>16434697i’ve noticed that anon (who constantly uses the /sfg/ is tarded image) is an actual retard with low reading comprehension
>>16434636Land in the storm anyway, the sheer power of Starship will annihilate the puny Martian wind and scatter it like the weak coward it is.
>>16434702Sounds to me like you just get rightly called out by him allot and cant comprehend your own stupidity
>>16434676>>16434691Millions is an aspiration, >=50,000 people = a decent sized city. Per MVP calculations here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_population, and looking at the higher end for safety, you need a minimum of 5,000 people to avoid genetic saturation. Let's assume for the sake of argument that you need 3x that for safety, which translates into 15,000 people. At 42,315 people cumulative by 2060, gives you nearly 3x beyond the margin of safety. It's a population of sufficient degree that if the ships stop from Earth, humanity will survive as sufficient industry on Mars and between Mars and the asteroid belt will have likely developed by then to ensure that civilization can recover and rebuild. It is also highly likely that by 2060, early colonization of Ceres will be underway, an equivalent or near equivalent colonist presence will also be on the Moon. There's enough water between Mars and Ceres to support either planets for long term colonization and expansion. Additionally, if Ceres colonization is underway, then medium scale exploitation of the asteroid belt is also underway, and access to cheap minerals used in majority of industrial applications including rare earths, will be very common. 50k people is actually good enough. Elon only said 1M, because its a lofty dream and to keep the fire alive forever, you need impossible dreams to drive a large group of people to work towards the common goal. If he had said 50k people in 40 years, it would enshrine conservative estimates everywhere in the thought pipeline and you'd compromise on the goal before you took the first step. Which is unacceptable to having a sustainable and positive future.
>>16434696Regenerative ECLSS gets easier with increased hab volume. Even increasing the green space to something like Biosphere 2, which is doable in a ring hab let alone a full cylinder, drastically reduces how much you rely on solar PV and consumables.
>>16434682Earther detected
>>16434704>not using the wind as part of the aerobrakeclearly aren't a test pilot
>>16434691It's worth considering that Earth side cost will not scale linearly with growth, and some flights might be full of people that paid for a ticket. Several things here may not be linear. The math seems solid though, it's an optimistic lower bound at least
>>16434701>>16434707
>>16434712The wind isn't significant enough to consider being a factor.
>>16432818>They should be training the first batch of permanent Martians now, while they're young.if you mean kids then no I don't think so but there should be an "academy" established soon that people 18+ years old can attend who are interested in a career in/life on Mars and the moon. Sort of like the Air Force Academy but space colonization oriented. If Musk wants to establish one I volunteer to be the first commandant. If we get started soon we can have the first graduating class in about 5 or 6 years probably. You could even get trekies onboard as it being a sort of proto-Starfleet Academy.
>>16434712Might as well be trying to use the CMB or virtual particles or some shit while you’re at it
>>16434704ITS NOT ABOUT FUCKING WIND PRESSURE ITS ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE'S A FUCKING DUST STORM
>>16434721How do you think you're going to be landing, by looking out the window?
>>16434708>Millions is an aspirationNo, a million is what elon estimates will be needed for a self sustaining colony, as in one that could continue on without support from earth if ww3 happens or something.That means everything from food to microchips, everything needed to survive on mars. I'm extremely skeptical 50000 is all that you need for a full industrial stack.
>>16434721Who is landing manually in the year of our Lord 2024
>>16434707>>16434714
>>16434716>can't factor in taking off 0.0001km/s from his last second flip manouver suicide burnNGMI for Martian top gun
>>16434721what the hell does visibility have to do with landing?
>>16434724>>16434730the dust is mainly iron oxide, will radar go through that?
>>16434718I'd involve children only in an early-training capacity alongside the 18+ academy you describe, with any luck a kid who graduates out of the space boyscouts at 16-17 is primed for acceptance into the Academy, as soon as they leave regular schooling. Sort of like a headstart program but for getting people into the space sector as a lifelong career.
Artemis and Chinese EVA suits side by side
>>16434718ESA chooses an astronaut class once every 10 years at best, and it fucking kills me. God I wish I was American
>>16434678Only in the first 2-3 launch window batches. Once there's a sufficient presence on the surface with landing pads, launch towers, and fuel depots. You can reasonably expect equivalent fuel depots to be built into Mars orbit. Which will then flourish into a large scale station either entirely in orbit or built into Phobos, likely Phobos, being larger of the two and in close to its primary. This would allow for incoming ships to actually dock at the rock, using all their fuel to slow down and land into a port of entry. People would disembark and be able to be properly vetted into the Marian Republic. Ships would then be fueled up and people would likely move to other ships which would ferry passengers down from Phobos to Mars and back. Custom build variants that would allow more fuel or more cargo with people to be ferried down, as Mars' gravity is 36-38% of Earth's, which means SSTO viability is guaranteed. Having an official port of entry also means that you can then send ships to elsewhere from Mars directly like the belt or Ceres or beyond depending on need. Phobos is also about 11km across, which is massive enough to support this idea. Between 2035-2045, I would expect your argument to be true. But after 2045, I would see that as being much less likely until its completely written out.
>>16434740We should kill chinese “people” if they walk on the Moon
>>16434740Can't decide who has the better shoulder and elbow joints here desu
>>16434737...how do you think rovers land?
>>16434612There's no reason they can't increase capacity indefinitely. With enough satellites they can serve high density areas.How many days does it take to launch 1 million satellites with 1000 Starship V3s launching multiple times per day?
>>16434745or worse ones, the more I stare at it
>>16434749there ya go, kek. Hopefully we get some sort of SpaceX EVA backpack suit soon enough
>>16434738>Sort of like a headstart programoh you mean the eugenics-focused aspect to this that will evaluate and select those genetically fit enough to eventually attend the Academy while they are still mini-ubermench, I get you (kidding)
>>16434747have any landed in a dust storm?
>>16434713Yeah, I'm making a lot of assumptions with a lot of unknowns, given that its the ultimate journey of ultimate unknowns. So it's a very conservative guesstimation.>>16434725Elon's estimations always err on the side of abundance and caution, until the physics proves out that the real number tends to be much lower. That's not a bad metric to define herculean goals by, arguably, the best metric to define them by. A million people is the ideal though. 50,000 people is the maximum margin of safety for an MVP city on Mars. What is the number you need so that in 1-2 generations, you're not sleeping with your mother's gene line and producing offspring, because you've already reached genetic saturation despite there being 4 degrees of separation within your social circle. 1 million people ensures without a shadow of doubt that Mars can become the next Earth, with Phobos/Deimos being the next moon colonies, and Ceres and beyond being the next Mars thereby. That's the dream, and its a good dream to have and work to achieve.
>>16434752No, I mean selecting for bright kids who display an interest in making spaceflight their career and giving them a boost towards that, in the interest of creating new astronaut classes. What the fuck are (you) talking about, weirdo?
>>16434756You keep brining up inbreeding when thats not at all the concern with mars population. It's purely economic, do you believe 50000 people are capable of making everything a martian colony needs just to survive?
>>16434760>What the fuck are (you) talking about, weirdo?calm down robot I said BAZINGA!
>>16434761I live in a rural town of ten thousand that's been pretty much isolated for a couple centuries and only has four last names left. They're pretty much normal. I don't think inbreeding is that big a concern
>>16434753yes
>>16434737we just dont know
>Phobos is an asteroid and you can likely get water out of it>Phobos is part of Mars blasted to orbit by an impact and has no water Hate the uncertainty, why no probe to settle this?
>>16434740Nice, very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's space suit.>>16434748>With enough satellites they can serve high density areas.There's no point, fiber optic serves high density areas better anyway. You're wasting bandwidth and power to reach a market that's not worth the effort.>How many days does it take to launch 1 million satellites with 1000 Starship V3s launching multiple times per day?You'd be limited by regulations, fuel, and launch/landing infrastructure. But for the sake of argument, assuming 100 satellites per Starship with 1,000 starships per day, you'd need: 10 days to achieve orbital volume.>>16434761Eventually? Yes. That's the whole point of a Minimum Viable Population. My numbers are also very conservative and are at best estimates, so take them all with a grain of salt. At no point did I discount that 1M is wrong, only that it is an aspirational target. 50k in the next 30 years, approximately, is the more likely outcome following an 80/20 rule. If you launch 1,000 Starships every 2 years, then 800 of them will be carrying cargo and perishables, and only 200 of them will carry crew. Given the length of the journey to Mars, the likelihood of 100 people per ship is completely ridiculous. Per the guy who did the actual math: https://youtu.be/6-3IHfmwLJs, a V2 Starship (extrapolated on V1 math) probably can support between 35 people towards Mars. 200 ships gets you: 7000 people. But that also assumes you can launch a full 1,000 complement per launch window. Realistically, it'll follow the 80/20 rule again. so likely 40 ships. Which brings that number down to 1400 per launch window. 30 years gives you 15 launch windows. 1400 x 15 = 21,000 people. Accounting for 3.5% population growth, gets you the rest to ~43k.The only way this number radically changes is if Elon by 2035 has the capital, through Starlink, to build the 18m behemoths that he's still thinking about and then succeeds in pulling off. Which 10x's that number per ship per launch.
Reminder that any mission visiting Titan that doesnt go to the lakes needs immediate cancellation
>>16434777>le Titan cryobiology memeIts dead and so is Enceladus
They're miles away but the sound from the landing sets car alarms off https://youtu.be/2F9shFyQhJ0?si=EKxv9zMXMUMheiy4&t=433
>>16434785Titan is a giant Starship fueling depot. The kinds that Senator Shelby cannot regulate into non-existence.
>>16434785No one has stopped to consider that Europa has life, and that it’s delicious
>>16434788Only useful if you’re doing something super niche like a uranus or neptune or TNO mission and your trajectory brings you into a happenchance Titan encounter.Humans will not be going past the asteroid belt for a long long time. While technically possible, the asteroid belt serves as a sort of “feasibility” barrier unless we want to use project orion ships or medusa exploration clippers or something
>>16434805I'd bet Jupiter as being the barrier. Mainly for the Lagrange asteroids trapped in Jupiter's orbit. Scientists will definitely want to sending human presence to Europa.
>>16434796>No one has stopped to consider that Europa has lifeThey have but they're either dumb or shills. Europa is dead too.
>>16434821>>16434785Dead dead dead, why don't you brighten up a little anon?
>>16434673Is there a way for them to write off the money spent on Mars colonization on taxes?
>>16434785Who mentioned criobiology? Titan and Enceladus’s uses are in being propellant depots. Nothing more, nothing less but they are still THE most important planetary bodies in the system for colonization aside from the starting point of Mars.
>>16434599What retarded jew came up with that dumb design?
>>16434654What about transplanting?
>>16434846If you don’t like torpedo tits, you aren’t white
>>16434835>Who mentioned criobiology?Every popsci fruit in captivity, don't play dumb. Without the biology hook missions to Europa and Titan wouldn't be funded nearly so well.
what will flight 6 do
Mural on the wall at Starbase
>>16434773seems like there really should have been at least on probe that made contact with the surface of this thing at this point considering the dozens of missions that have been launched to Mars, maybe even a sample return, but no
>>16434870Nice life support system friend.
>>16434777I keep telling you it's not an "oversight" they just don't want the thing to land in a lake and never be heard from again, nor do they want it publicized that they could lose their expensive helicopter thingy to a small pond if they aren't careful.
>>16434876its the low profile model obviously
>>16434498for you
>>16434876>superheavy booster on mars???
>>16434876why booster tower on mars, i though ship can reach orbit alone?
>>16434876Damn why is my screenshot shite, I pulled it from jurv*ston’s video. Maybe X just has shitty video rendering on my end or something
>>16434873It's just a faggy captured asteroid. Noone cares.
>>16434889yes. the incoming ship is landing on top of it and will depart within the hour.
>>16434890WE'VE BEEN LIED TO AGAIN BY FELON, WHY DO YOU MORONS KEEP EATING IT UP AND ASKING FOR MORE? NATIONALIZE NOW!
This is probably one of the most important Elon tweets recently :"I’m so glad we finally fixed the forward flap design!The old one was killing me. Too large and heavy and positioned at 180 degrees, requiring large static aero and not fully stowed, so that pushes the nose backwards during the high heating hypersonic phase of flight, which is the opposite of what you want. "Folks, we enter right now in Ship reusability timeline. We already know booster is capable to return safely, now we need to work the ship. And the main problem is that pesky flap position that keeps creating hot spots. With Block 2, i can confidently say we will see a perfect Ship 33 (flight 7 , First Block 2) reentering to the indian ocean with 0 burn marks. And one more thing, Ship 34 (Flight 8) will try a Boca Chica reentry (mid march or April), 100 % sure. AND IT WILL WORK . And you know what ? We will see a B15 Ship 35 (Flight 9) return to Launch site (Tower site) AND then reused for Flight 10.
>>16434893your a faggy captured asteoid and nobody cares
A failed SS catch would probably take out the booster sitting on the OLM waiting for stacking as well lol
Ship 33 and onwards graphic is not accuratebut seems like ship 32 should be ready to go (assuming SpaceX doesn't need to do big modifications)
>>16434893I care, gigatons of water in Mars orbit would be very handy
>>16434376So long as SpaceX avoids that NASA man rating crap.
>>16434891He posted his flickr too.https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/
>>16434905the next booster in line still needs to do a static fire and the S32/B13 stack needs to do an WDR (or similar, I guess they didn't do a full WDR for the previous flight?)
>>16434889It's actually on Earth, after the Martians terraform it to be more like Mars.
>>16434906ummm why does that moon have a butt?
>>16434905ship 32 will not fly. Ship 31 is for Flight 6 and Ship 33, the first Block 2 , for Flight 7
>>16434901soon
>>16434873https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fobos-GruntYou can blame Russian quality control for thathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_Moons_eXploration>Martian Moons eXploration (MMX) is a robotic space probe set for launch in 2026 to bring back the first samples from Mars' largest moon Phobos. Developed by the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency and announced on 9 June 2015, MMX will land and collect samples from Phobos once or twice, along with conducting Deimos flyby observations and monitoring Mars's climate
>>16434915oh yeah confused ship 32 with 31, for some reason I misremembered that Flight 5 was with 31I don't think its impossible that they skip ship 31 as well, I haven't really seen any convincing reasons why they would fly it anymore
https://x.com/considercosmos/status/1846612939404726388really kino slowmo high zoom
>>16432672He was devastated and mumbling excuses when it happened.
>>16434920nice, thank you, I can sleep tonight knowing this travesty will be remedied soon (thank you japs)
>>16434921They have a very big reason to fly the last Block 1 (S31) instead to go directly to S33, that is that S31 has already thousands and thousands of man hours put in the revamped heatshield plus S33 is still not finished and Elon wouldn't want to waste the free Flight 6 license and wait 2-3 more moths until the new ship is ready
>>16434926>steal this look
>>16432871>>16432802And it was quickly revealed that clock kid's "clock" closely resembled examples of IEDs you could find on google image search.
>>16434930so test re-flight and a door again? get some more data from a booster catch + ship re-entrya relight sounds like a substantial change to the flight profile, so I wouldn't really expect it to be on the free license as that had only minor modificationsbut who knows I guess
>>16434915>ship 32 will not flyis it available for purchase?
>>16434934*relight of engine or on orbit burn I mean
>>16434925you see the chine covering getting ripped off
>>16432859Always love when my state gets to actually do something.
>>16433741This
>>16434940
>>16434777Why does the outline sort of reminds of Faerun?
>>16434943
>>16434946
>>16434901hubba hubba, talk dirty to me some more
>>16434934i really dont know if a relight is a significant change , but i hope it isn't. That would free Flight 7 to be the first Orbital Starship , it would be really cool. 2025 is starting to look super, first orbital, first starlink deployment, first ship reentry and tower catch at Boca, maybe even full stack reuse. Elon has been hinting that he is really pushing for full stack reusability for the second part of next year
>>16434946'tis but a flesh wound
>>16433612Why are they like this
>>16434951>full stack reusability>That's an outright Single Stage to Orbit Vehicle>The thing people only dreamed for 60 yearsI wanna believe.
>>16434915>>16434905There really isn't a reason to fly V1 Ships anymore with the success of Flight 5, Ship 31 and 32 are going to be scrapped.
>>16434876https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1846595357171765653https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson
>>164349512025 should be refilling as well
>>16434959What the fuck even is a “venture capitalist”? A trust fund baby who has a lot of money and is bored?
>>16434956And do you want to hear what a little birdy has told me ? HLS first real test could also happen next year. Like the first HLS v0.1 . AND now that ship can be in full stable orbits they can try now higher energy reentries , like using a little bit of fuel to push yourselft to a 180km x 1000 - 2000km and then reenter until you perfect fuel transfer (Block 2 ships with Raptor 2 runs out of fuel past 2-3000 km apogees even with 0 payload)This are not dreams or bullshit, this are real things that will happen real soon
>>16434951relighting the engines in space seems like a fairly significant change since it could go wrong and shift starship into a unknown and possible unsafe trajectory. But then people seem to have put the screws on the FAA so they may just let musk do what he wants?
>>16434912based, we just solved global warming bros. Still has a disgusting 1g though, that needs to go too
>>16434954The more foreign a thing is, the more empathy the liberal feels for it. They detest themselves and everything about the race, nation, culture, and civilization that birthed them. The certainty that all of these things must be destroyed for the good of the universe underlies all degrowther philosophies. It wouldn't be as bad if they'd start with themselves but they're too egotistical and convinced that they're "the good ones" to go and Jonestown themselves in any significant numbers.
>>16434943How have I not seen this before? There were tons of post catching pictures and I never noticed this flight damage
>>16434940It looks like it was already loose before the engines started up, did something hit it on the way up?
>>16434931>The 50 year old Wine Aunt (male)
>>16434966a person whose career/job it is to invest in early stage companies before they go public, different people/companies usually specialize in different sectors or stages (startups also have different stages of investing i.e. seed capital to get a company started, series A, B,C etc)
why would in space relight be a significant challenge when theyve doen relight after 60 minute coasts on 2 flights now?
>>16434926absolute fucking state of this creature, it's just sad honestly
>>16434966yeah basically. thats why some of the most retarded shit who anyone with an /sfg/ level knowledge would know is a scam gets funding
>>16434889>>16434890So you can put 1000 tons into orbit in one shot
>>16434969You'd be correct that SpaceX has been cautious with no orbital burns because they want the ship to splash down safely should something happen.But I do think at this point it's reasonably safe. Starship has relit engines under much more duress then orbital flight.The FAA isn't stopping them from doing it, SpaceX was always the one to create the flight path and operations.
>>16434906>crash it into the poles
>>16434967>And do you want to hear what a little birdy has told me ?Hearsay? I will take it nonetheless.>, like using a little bit of fuel to push yourselft to a 180km x 1000 - 2000km and then reenter until you perfect fuel transfer (Block 2 ships with Raptor 2 runs out of fuel past 2-3000 km apogees even with 0 payload)Orbital propellant depots? Pleasemydickcanonlygetsohard.jpeg
ive been doing some research using Stellarium and with about 3k$ (in total , including all parts described next) , 12inch telescope + eyepieces + light correctors + special cmos telesecope camera you can take breath taking photos of Mars with many many surface features visible. Also is at the limit to actually see some of the bigger Jupiter moons in close detail (more or less)
>>16434986I thought we were talking more about the blanket FAA license they got before ift-5, surely if they change things significantly that won't be valid anymore? Though you are probably right about orbital relight not being that much harder than what they've already done.
>>16434978its not about it being a challenge, its about it a being significantly different flight profile which would require paperwork with the FAA againon flight 3 the RCT system got iced over and they lost attitude control so they didn't even have the chance to test on-orbit relight if I remember correctly
>>16434946WTF?? This is utterly unacceptable. Nationalize SEX now
>>16434974>did something hit it on the way up?they think a chunk of foam was ripped off the ET during max-q and struck it
>>16434977(protip: they talk others into putting up the money as they would never risk their own, but they do pay themselves well)
>>16434996how about light the engine and do a flip using the gimbal? there were just pussies.
>>16435006use a raptor for attitude control in orbit?
>>16435012Call them compies maybe?>like raptors but tiny>methalox FFSC RCS
https://x.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1846634094421332286>Keeping them shipping.
>>16434951>Starship goes from exploding, hopping tin can to fully reusable flight proven rocket in the time it will take SLS to go from Artemis I to Artemis II
>>16432433I keep replaying this and the more times I see it, the more unreal it looksI wonder if this i how the first airplanes were perceived
>>16435001You almost got me there anon.
>>16434971well said. After all, what was marxs favorite line?"Everything that exists deserves to perish"
mars starship will need gigantic header tanks
>>16434985>So you can put 1000 tons into orbit in one shotspeaking of, does Mars have any "good" rock? Not just crumbly ugly shit but any sort of solid and pretty rock that you could, let's say, fashion into an attractive paperweight or coffee table or statue of someone famous? (yes I know there's no marble there)
>>16434974>>16434940The chines are just a single step above aluminum foil.Almost anything is plausible to fuck them up. A panel gap could mean it blewout during descent because air pressurized it.
>>16435025why you say that ?
>>16435022nta but it was a good one
>>16435018How the fuck is Boing! not collapsing yet? SLS is almost finally dead, they just laid off thousands, shitliner is still haemorrhaging cash, and their stock is UP like 5% this week??
mural inside Megabay 2
>>16435044Boeing is a National security asset (SpaceX is too ), the USA gov will always bail them out . There is 0% chance of Boeing defaulting or closing business
>>16435044Boeing is still a Dow stock. Index funds have to buy it, which fluffs demand and therefor price. Works, until too much air leaks out of the balloon.
>>16435052but there is a non-zero chance of them getting ripped into several smaller companies. as has already happened
>>16435040much higher delta v required to land, not to mention the ship having heavy legs.
>>16434992I took this with 10inch telescope, 2x barlow and Sony IMX585. Will try Mars next opposition.
>>16435070very nice photo !
Won't the government always pay to keep people employed working on solid rockets due to ICBMs requiring it?
>>16435070cool photo but I'd better not hear you complain about starlink light pollution
>>16435070yeah nice>>16435079shouldn't bother him for planetary photos. its those deep sky weenies do the bitching
>>16435070Cool shot anon, better than I've ever seen through my telescope. Incidentally it's been in storage for years and has so much dust on the mirror, I'm terrified to try cleaning it out of fear of fucking it up but as-is it may as well be broken.
>>16435026Given that it's an entire planet it's basically certain. It isn't out of the question that there's some abiotic limestone out there, but how much and how solid is anyone's guess
>>16433956kino
>>16435091for many reasons im glad they switched to the square hatch
>>16433956nice. what's the best video to download and watch if i missed the launch/catch sequence and want to see all the angles in one glorious viewing?
How do we improve Elon's relationship with Sam Harris. Elon urgently need to hear Sam's advice in these trying times.
>>16435112My favourite
>>16435048I'm praying that this is what the later gen EVA suits look like, add a backpack for life support probably
>>16435112It's funny that this is the most UFO-esque photo I've seen, the composition make it look otherworldly
>>16435123we are really in the best timeline (spaceflight wise)
>>16435123Shut up retard
>>16435124wouldn't that include Apollo not being cancelled, Von Braun staying on, flying men to mars and venus, orbital ring stations etc? something like the plot of For All Mankind, just without the USSR landing on the moon first and the socialist plot of the 4th season? dont get me wrong though, what we see now is pretty cool.
>>16435128well we could have been living in one of the other 999/1000 timelines where Falcon 1 flight 4 failed. Unending horror beyond comprehension
>>16435128I mean yeah of course, Mars by the 80s, colonies on the moon and stuff but look at the other side of the coin, we could be living a world where shuttle retired in 2012, SpaceX never existed ( Falcon 1 4th flight was a disaster , so bankruptcy) , and then 1 or 2 Atlas V or a couple Delta IV heavy's per year, SLS is shit and doesnt launch until 2020 (i think? i dont remember) , 0 reusability, SLS launches every 3-4 years , 4 Ariane V per year, ISS serviced by the russians .... i think we are fine right now
>>16435136let us be thankful
>>16435117Elon really needs to focus more on spaceflight and less on literal politics
>>16435145Why dont you shut the fuck up troon if Trump loses its over for Mars.
>>16435112>USSS Olympus maneuvering to perform orbital bombardment on Beijing during Battle for Taiwan, October 1 2036
>>16435138China would have probably dominated the Moon and LEO by the 2030/40s in that one
>>16434905will ships with no flap deorbit in break in atmosphere or would it fall something like a bomb?
Any word when New Glen is going to do anything?
>>16435154its sending stuff to mars in august 2024 chud
>>16435154December 2024 or January 2025 . Very little information
>>16435016Looks expensive Hope they don't have to open anything before reflight.
>>16435148
>>16435165why would you put such gigantic delta wings? Starship is not a space plane (cool design tho)
>>16435165imagine the heating
>>16435161That's a prototype Archimedes engine like early Raptors. I expect it to get less fiddly with mass production.
Repent sinners
>>16434994>>16434996Keep the same flight pattern just to use up the five launches they have this year?
What's Elon's private jet been doing?
>>16435174Let's hope so
>>16435147This. The fate of US spaceflight will be the same as the South African nuclear program.
>>16435138>Mars by the 80sThat was always over optimistic, there was too much to learn about long duration spaceflight and what Mars was like before attempting that. A mission around the millennium was possible though.
I think it will be safe for trained astronauts to travel to Mars surface in a Starship by early 2030s. By that time , Elon's age will be 60 something . Do you think he will travel there before he is incapable by the age ?
HR girl in an interview for a different company asked me if I think of myself as an introvert or extrovert. Said I'm gonna in the middle of the specturm .
>>16435192Why not say you are an introvert but are able to work well with a team and constantly trying to improve communication skills? You are supposed to use those types of questions to sell yourself.
omg omg omg engine section of SLS Artemis 2 which will launch in ...check notes... 2026 at the earliest
>>16435195>introvert but are able to work well with a team and constantly trying to improve communication skillsinstant rejection. especially if they think you look creepy (sub 7)
>>16435192>even entertaining dumbass HR questions like thisngmi
>>16435198>he thinks its going to launchOH NO NO NO
>>16435195no, never say you are an introvert. flip it around, say you are extrovert but had no problem working alone during quarantine.
>>16435138>shudderswell its definitely not the worst timeline that's for sure.
>>16435200what would you have said?
>>16435206"whatever gets me your number"
>>16435195>Why not say you are an introvertHeard they don't like introverts unless it's a really solitary job. Make it till you make it I guess
>>16435203Thats also a play. But then youd be lying to your employer, not a good start if its a company you actually like working for like SpaceX.
>>16435208>what did you say ? Get out before i call security, i never want to see you again
>>16435206nah sorry, I don't have social media
>>16435220What's that got to do with the question?
NASA Artemis posted this on xeeter as the flight design for AxEMU. Then they deleted the post for some reason.
>>16435228>no gold plated visordoomed to failure
>>16435228here it is againhttps://x.com/NASAArtemis/status/1846662556825334194
>>16435228Could be better but I like it, I have decided
>>16435230there could be one flipped up. think i see a white pull tab on top.
>>16435228Gay. Man the SpaceX EVA suits are so much better.
>>16435238there are multiple pull tabs but they’re for sun shades
>>16435228looks a lot better without the retarded black and orange livery
>>16435241SpaceX EVA suits are massively inferior from a technical point of view.
>>16435228Spacex suit in shambles
>>16435250Welp, are they wrong? Nopers, and that's a sure bet
>>16435245you're shitting me
>>16435250>People still think that he will be the one going
>>16435167Literally worth the mass penalty to upcharge space plane retards in the air force (yes this would really work)
>>16435241The suitport design and extra protective layers are good for a moon suit. Lunar surface is such a dogshit environment for EVAs.
>>16435250What is more irradiated, Mars or Chernobyl?
>>16434974Likely an endangered plover
>>16435018>Starship goes from exploding, hopping tin can to fully reusable flight proven rocket in the time it will take SLS to go from Artemis I to Artemis IINo need to rush when they will have to wait on HLS anyway
>>16435276thats the funny thing about musktards. they forget that hls is the one thing holding up artemis 3
>>16435284So true, muskrats are genuine subhumans
>>16435250Scientist guy is talking about any biological history there being erased. Seems worth addressing at least, desu.
>>16435241I honestly think external life support is better than carrying it on the back. Put the life support system on a robot dog that will follow the astronaut around.
>>16435284okay buddy, (you)
Muskrats are delusional idiots
>>16435276Orion's heat shield needs another test though, uncrewed if they have any sense. Where will they find a third SLS?
>>16435288what if the dog gets other ideas?
>>16435296Thats the best part, they literally cant.
How zogged is space going to get before white people take control of it?Luna? Definitely. Mars, probably. And beyond? Will white people have to search for a new system entirely to call home?I hate Jews so much.
>>16435288why not a robot human? he could do loads more useful stuff than a robohund
>>16435299Go back to pleddit, retard. And nureddit too, heres the link >>>/pol/
>>16435288if there was a planet with earthlike gravity where you could actually land then it would be worth it, but for the moon the backpack wont weigh much, and building a robot dog which can operate in luanr extremes with no problems would cost a cool 2.5 billion and 25 years when the contract gets given to JPL
>>16435287>biological historyThe fossil record wouldn't be harmed whatsoever, and I don't think there's any extant biology there. Maybe there is, but deep in the crust or something, not surface-level.
>>16435304i'd prefer to plug into rovers directly
>>16435299>American culture revolves around...How much seethe would there be if it they brought a Japanese or Mexican American instead of the basketball variety? A cute hapa would probably destroy all the science roasties
>>16435284>they forget that hls is the one thing holding up artemis 3Well, that and Orange Rocket Bad.
>>16435287There aren't any beetles on Mars, you didn't see them because they aren't there
>>16435299i have a background in history (i know, i know) and its trendy for fags in that subject to tryto downplay rightfully significant people and things to appear sophisticated. SpaceX will 100% be written out of their central position in this age. 80 years from now people will say full vehicle recovery and reuse was obviously going to happen and that SpaceX is totally unremarkable. They will use New Glenn and project Jarvis as examples, and they will say that NASA was clearly going to return to the moon in the 30s even if SpaceX didnt exist.
>>16434425>>16434435Looks like garbage honestly. How do you fuck up a space suit? Why does it have baggy pants and sleeves? Prada? Really?
>>16435299The show is too much reddit communist propaganda at this point
Would any one buy Beoing's Space assets?They still manufacture satalites people could want.
>>16435316>>16435313Replying to obvious bait (You) are retarded
>>16435312>A cute hapait would be funny if she did the whole flight barefoot and there were engineering camera views published just looking at her soles. just my to cents.
>>16435304A trolley, automated or not, is fine too. I'm mostly thinking of freeing the astronaut from carrying the weight, freeing the life support system engineer from the size and weight constraint, and freeing the suit designer from putting a slab on the back.
>>16435308a man after my own (canadian) heart
>ULA did it firstLul sure they did
Succesful double-WDR of CZ-12 with a simulated scrub and 24h recycle.Launch next month, probably after Tianzhou 8
>>16435333>Member us? We were importantPathetic.jpeg
>>16435313SLS is slow getting to the pad but it's not the biggest problemNot depicted: Orion's life support system because that shit is just not done yet
>>16435330t. gigabased ISROnaut
>>16435333Soviets did it first, Progress-Salyut 6 prop transfer in 1978
>>16435330>A trolley, automated or notHold on, I've seen this before
>>16435340imagine the EVA time
>>16435333believe it or not, old space had people and engineers excited to do great stuff too, but unfortunately they had everything set against them, most of what you can think of in rocketry has already been thought of decades ago anyway
If anyone knows a good video as requested here>>16435104id appreciate the tip. thanks!
>>16435333i don't doubt him. depot didn't happen for political reason, not technical.
>>16435334It seems routinary stuff to be worth mentioning.
>>16435355It's the first WDR of CZ-12; first WDR are definitely usually mentionned.Also there was some repairs needed on the launch pad after the Typhoon Yagi damaged it last month, it shows it's operational now.
>>16435348I do believe it.When you start delving deeper into all the archives from NASA and similar space agencies since 1970 you find a deluge of ideas and projects that are enough to go back and forth 70 times to mars already(Cyclers, photon lances, BIOS-3, energia launchers, mangetosails, dropplet radiators...) some more outlandish than others but comes to show how much hope and enthusiasm managed to survive the after Apollo 11 budget cuts.
>>16435357>Also there was some repairs needed on the launch pad after the Typhoon Yagi damaged it last month, it shows it's operational nowThat is more interesting, it must have been some sizeable damage to put it off service for a month.
>>16435333https://vocaroo.com/15Ysx6TVR6eV
>>16435348>old space had people and engineers excited to do great stufflove reading autobiographies from Apollo era guys. endless enthusiasm and commitment. A book by the lead engineer for the LM is fantastic.
>>16435364iirc they said that they had to replace all the electronics of the launch control center and some pad monitoring building.
>>16435228>I heard that moonrock fucks everything up>so I made everything baggy and added multiple dust catchers to the knees and elbows so you can feel every pebble as it ventilates your suit
>>16435371>wen chasounds british
>>16435371Well that is either "implessive" levels of propaganda or quite impressive indeed to substitute all electronics from a facility and have it in complete working order in a month.
>>16435287Those microbes had their chance. Fuck em
>>16435354>>16435348I don't doubt they had the design & protocol on paper plus early prototypes that they could've developed later but I'm really sceptical of the claim they've "perfected" in orbit ship-ship cryogenic fuel transfer. I'm not sure if CRYOTE even flew.
Kamabla is finished. Godlon has won and SpaceX will ascend humanity to the stars with full governmental backing.
>>16435316Maybe. This is definitely the most blatantly obvious example of their marxist historical materialism being completely wrong.
>>16435375Probably a bit of both, the communiques are clearly biaised, but they also built this pad from ground-breaking to operational status in 18 months.
>>16435357what do we do when they start making larger stations? and when they start putting people on the moon in 2030+? Tiangong is already Mir sized in volume, what's to stop them throwing more up too, can't exactly shoot the fuckers down
>>16435388>When they start making larger stations>people on the moonWe simply keep one upping every milestone, a 2nd space race to mars and the belt is coming if China wants to prove the existence of a "multipolar" world
>>16435158its November tho
>>16435316It's all so predetermined isn't (ironically).Mainstream "academic" position will shift to "reuse was inevitable)then gradually, by the end of the century, revisionist historians will argue that Musk in fact WAS critical to the transformation of spaceflight.
>>16435392can't exactly kick them out of the moon at gunpoint though, when they start making claims its over. America must own the WHOLE moon, not one square inch for bugs or it's over
>>16435384Which one is the Emperor incognito? Elono or Trumo?
>>16435398Ronald Mcdonald space empire
>>16435016This is most ugly rocket engine ever. lmao
>>16435388Honestly they don't plan that big with Tiangong anyway, the current plan is>Launch the Xuntian telescope in ~2027 which will regularly dock with the station for maintenance>Replace Shenzhou with a LEO version of Mengzhou (lunar capsule) starting 2026-2027.>Add 3 modules in the 2028-2035 period>Eventually, and only after the lunar surface base is built after 2035, build their equivalent of the gateway2 or 3 starship sized modules could easily match and surpass their larger Tiangong plans.
>>16435417>chink Bigelow and BEAM equivalentsok this is based
>>16435430this just outlines how ridiculous starship hls is.
>>16435436Yet it's still 10x cheaper than any other proposal, that's the most hilarious part
>>16435439no its not.
what if spacex landed tourists on the moon before the HLS mission was ready
>>16435441>SLS $2bn per launch >Can't reach LLOvs.>Starship $10m per launch>See that planet? you can land there.
Why was mr Shelby against fuel depots? redpill me on this.
>Artemis this, Artemis thatSo anything actually interesting happening before next starship test?
>>16435447>10m per launch + 100m in refueling + tip + environmental fee
>>16435447you pulled the starship launch cost out of your ass. it costs over 10 mil a week to keep starbase running. so how does a starship launch cost 10 mil?
>>16435448He was deep in the Mississippi SRB cartel, by allowing for refuelling in LEO you do away with the need for SRB's to get anywhere or move any significant payload beyond LEO without a SHLV which the US hasn't had since Saturn V was retired.
>>16435430Starship is a capsule
>>16435451how many starships in a starbase?
>>16435452*Alabama sustainer core cartelThe SRBs were a Utah thing. But yeah, basically prop depots mean two cheaper launches can take the place of a big launch. SLS is such an obscene hog (that it DIDN'T NEED TO BE, Jupiter was a much better design!) that ANY alternative would beat it on cost, which would doom it. And that's what's happening. If Artemis weren't legally required to use Orion+SLS for crew launch orange rocket bad would be canceled for zero mission demand.
>>16435449There's an Electron launch with an undisclosed payload for an undisclosed customers coming up on Saturday and there's a Falcon 9 launching a batch of OneWeb satellites on Sunday. CRS-31 should be launching to ISS "mid-October" and Shenzhou-19 is going up on the 25th. The next H3 launch is the day after that on the 26th. The rest of the manifest looks like it's just Starlink launches and unelaborated Chinese payloads on smaller launchers.
>>16435451>Out your assThere was a report on the current costs for Starship launches put out by Payload at the beginning of the year. The $10m is the estimated cost of a mature and fully reusable Starship, they estimate that right now each IFT probably costs around $90m.
>>16435449They kinda pumped out the last interesting mission in Clipper. New Glenn is really all there is.
>>16435453Am I a capsule?
>>16435473>>16435475Thanks, i guess I'll just wait out the tourists then.
>>16435481What do you usually post about in between IFTs
>>16435250Earthers go in the pisslock. The extra stale and briny one.
>>16435475>implying NG launches before IFT 6
It's ogre for Maxar
>>16435507is gateway kill
>>16435512They're switching from xenon ion thrusters to QI horizon drives if next spring's flight works.
>>16435312asians are white and some mexicans aren't mexican enough. a very brown mexican would almost work but you can be sure niggers would still riot.
>>16435507Maxar hired too many people, management that can't budget fucks over everyone else
>>16435507Yeowch this isn’t good>>16435515lel
>>16435481>touristsIt's really not even noticeable this time
>>16435518>>16435507Looks like GAO was aware of this back in June
>>16435523uhh what if we just make HLS the gateway? accepting that unlike other stations just it lands on the soft comfy moon sometimes
>>16435533Cancel gateway cancel Orion cancel SLS
>>16435516>you can be sure niggers would still riotI really doubt niggers care that much about space
>>16435512They should shift it to L2 to use the Prince Humperdink trajectory for the Moon-Earth-Mars run
>>16435534it just astounds me that orion & SLS have a combined cost of like $50BILLION, for what will end up being between two to four missions at best, including the first one they've already had
>>16435523>oops its not gonna work when our 150 ton lander is docked :))
>>16435523Starship: look at me, I'm the station now.
>>>/wsg/5708618Apparently Trump was watching the Booster catch live and was on the phone with Musk
>>16435405It's the equivalent of Raptor0.5, they need to iterate through another couple of dozen engines through lights and destructive testing before the extra sensors go away.
>>16435048>>16435121If this ends up being even remotely close to this mural, it'll cement SpaceX as being in a completely different dimension of technology permanently.
>>16435553It's like hearing my grandpa excitedly tell me about something he saw on the teevee. I like that he's impressed.
Bazinga.
>>16435553true boomer childlike wonder right there
>>16435549>tee-hee!
>>16435567nevermind its actually a lot more than that fueled to land + payloadno surprise some shitty station keeping ion thrusters are useless
>>16435522Come on. The influx of polfags is more than noticeable.
>>16435553:) Trump is charming
>>16435192>I'm gonna in the middle of the specturmat least she found out you're retarded
>>16435582>gonna in the middle>specturm
Could Elon send some little rocket to look at C/2023 A3? It is only 0.6AU from the bay area.
>>16435213You are supposed to lie during the HR interview. It's the technical portion that is strictly no BS.
>>16435575I tried and miserably failed at stopping them weeks ago so Ive joined them because sometimes it makes anons mad which is funny. Seems like theres not much you can do during election time, oh well. Atleast this year spaceflight is directly on the ballot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnUfuogBOw0
>>16435606WARNING! DO NOT CLICK!Contains a nigger!
>>16435606>>16435607he thinks engine chill down is unique to Raptor btw
>>16435607>haha I did it! I hope I fit in :))
>>16435206(not him)Some sort of BS because I think it's a BS question as well, but with enough flip flopping and resolution to make it sound like I gave it some real thought, so something like:Well, if I spent enough time internalizing my own feelings to analyze and categorize myself, I would presume that would put me in the category of introvert, but I don't quite feel like that would be a complete assessment, as I'm more comfortable expressing myself when I am asked to do so or when I feel it would be beneficial. I generally weigh such decisions, but if I felt pressed, I would likely err on the side of expression with as much tact as I could muster. I feel equally comfortable in total solitude and in a busy social situations and tend to seek either or at times. So, all things considered, I would have to say I am both, or perhaps that it is situational. Do most people place themselves into one category?
>>16435610this is why I like posting on an anonymous image board. I can say something dumb as shit and nobody knows it's me half a thread later
>>16435623based retardposter
>>16435623REEEEEEEEEEEEE STOPPPP POSTTTTING STUPID RETARDDDDDDDDDDD
>>16435575>polfagsI'm here to stay, Ari, this is my new home.
>>16435228aeiou
>>16435632trump lost
>>16435637Nta but you see why I do >>16435593
>>16435623I'm watching. I know when it's you, retard-kun.
>>16434513degenerate earthnoid whose soul is weighed down by gravity
>>16435623Based
>>16435607thanks for the warning, fren
>>16435592Interesting, so they solved the problem of the chopstick arms wildly swinging by bringing in the left arm first and then the right arm, so that the left creates a guardrail for the booster to ride down and stabilize its path while the right comes in and locks in the capture. I wonder if they'll reconsider the size of the arms for future towers, as 3 engines torching the tower would be a lot of heat and thermal expansion considerations over dozens or even hundreds of launches if the booster is bought in even a few meters closer, to the point of potentially compromising tower integrity and/or damaging plumbing or rails or mechanicals.
>>16433064>engineers are timid and playing safeyeah this wanker is ODing on some super concentrated projection of its weak nature. Engis come in all shapes and sizes. Common denominator is being detail orientated and generally systematic to approaching the problem. Which reckless morons trying to cut corners confuse with cowardice and "deliberate stalling" Spacex/tesla crews vs oceangate/blue origin are very clear cut examples. One of them has the head who is also a efficiency orientated engineer while other was being lead by a hubristic morons
>>16435623are you literally me?
>>16435206Say you're extroverted even if you aren't. The question is basically a grading qualifier on whether you need to be put into a group of tards to be wrangled, denied any social life within the company, and never invited to happy hours or group team building meetings where you can meet cool people, network, and potentially fuck hot bitches or if you get invited to all those things, network, and get INCLUDED in activities that eventually boost your social worth and financial worth cumulatively.Instead, your answer basically told her that not only are you an introvert, you're also retarded--which is worst than being autistic. So you're going to be grouped with the low performers and mostly be excluded from all the cool things in company and culture. In more simpler terms you were asked whether you spill your spaghetti or hold it in, and you took off your pants and smeared marinara over your face while screaming that you're the king of the lord of the flies.Proud of you buddy, never breed.
>>16434377then they will splice starlink into a separate entity while spaceX remains its own thing. They dont need to remain a single monolith and certainly dont want risk averse spreadsheet gurus and retail investors kveching their ass over every exploding rocket
>>16433838The combustion chamber burned through and exploded when it was like a foot off the pad, hence the green flame before touchdown and the way it fell onto the pad hard enough to break through the concrete. (There are pics on the internet from a starbase trespasser if you look hard enough). t. former-spacexer
>>16435299Unpopular opinion here but I don't have a problem with black people in space as long as they're just black people and not violent criminal niggers. Just obviously we shouldn't be sending black people in favor of a white guy who might be more competent.
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>>16435610Well, I didn't give a shit about about engines until raptor either so
