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>>16474712>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llu2cabHLjwStarlink
In light of recent events, I made a rather conservative estimate of the future of spess colonies2025 - mars base(spacex), population 100002026 - phobos base(spacex), populaton 70002027 - ceres base(spacex), population 90002028 - jupiter orbital base(spacex), popilation 7002029 - EVROPA base(spacex), population 120002030 - calisto base(spacex), population 80002031 - enceladus base(Spacex), population 150002032 - mars base(china), population ~1,6 billion2033 - venus cloud base(spacex), population 70002034 - saturn ring base(spacex), population 45002035 - titan cuck base(spacex), population less than a dozen2036 - uranus base(spacex), population 69002037 - neptune base(spacex), population 55002038 - first colony ship sent to proxima centauri b(spacex), population 1500002039 - Pluto (spacex), population 130002040 - colony ship sent to ross 128b(spacex), population 3700002041 - asteroid belt stations(china), population uncountable2042 - colony ships sent to GJ 1061(spacex), population 12500002043 - mercury solar death ray (spacex), population classified2044 - Eris cloning facility (spacex), population >1000000002045 - agartha base(spacex), population 7500002046 - Earth-X genocide wars2047 - earth colony(X empire), population 0.7 billion2048 - colony ships sent to andromeda galaxy via wormhole(X empire), population several billion2049 - Sagittarius A* colony(X empire), population ~13 trillion2050 - Mankind becomes a kardashev type 3 civilization(X empire), population ~70 quintillion2051 - Moon base(NASA), population 0-10
>>16474716>https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1mnxeAXBnWqxXSpaceX now live
>>16474673How will trump and musk help sls? At the rate it's going artemis 2 won't launch before 2027 and that'll probably be uncrewed because of orions heat shield issues. Theres jist no way trump gets boots on the moon before his term is up if he sticks with sls and he can't get the funds to do something faster without canceling it.
so many launchesso many satellitesso few people in space
Décollage!
He can't keep getting away with it!
the rare daytime barge landing. cool to have a gap in the clouds to see how the first stage basically comes in sideways across the barge before angling back in again during the landing burn
It's literally that easy in spaceflight
>>16474712>not The Great Elon Musk editionKilly yourself idiot EDS shill
Can someone redpill me on BFR with side boosters?
In KSP RSS the meta for fully reusable rockets is to have minimum possible lifting surfaces on the upper stage, but a lot more on the bosoter since parasitc mass doesnt matter as much on 1st stage and greater crossrange + lower terminal velocity means you use less fuel returning. Blue Origin seems to have taken this approach, makes me wonder why Superheavy has no aero surfaces beside the gridfins. It could do a glide return with much lower peak heating on the engines and less fuel used in boostback
>>16474712This is the worst OP in awhile
>>16474746Just in case the government ever needed to get a kiloton satellite to geo
>>16474764malicious compliance from the early baker
>>16474725why the massive glands?
>>16474725maybe they'll force orion to dock with dragon so they can safely return the astronauts
How do we feel about it?
>>16474776>orion>safely
>>16474781return the astronauts on dragon with orion returning home empty, just like they did with starliner
>>16474780Anything Blue Origin is a joke and will remain so until they've successfully launched anything besides their carnival ride.
reminder>Multiple sources have confirmed that NASA is studying alternatives to the planned Artemis III landing of two astronauts on the Moon, nominally scheduled for September 2026>Under one of the options, astronauts would launch into low-Earth orbit inside an Orion spacecraft and rendezvous there with a Starship vehicle, separately launched by SpaceX. During this mission, similar to Apollo 9, a precursor to the Apollo 11 lunar landing, the crew would validate the ability of Orion and Starship to dock and test habitability inside Starship. The crew would then return to Earth.https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/04/nasa-may-alter-artemis-iii-to-have-starship-and-orion-dock-in-low-earth-orbit/
>>16474756My guesses: (1) aerodynamic stuff is generally more complicated than rockets and I'd imagine harder (though obviously not impossible) to automate, especially factoring in things like wind and the sloshing of propellant that aren't in KSP, (2) first stages with aerodynamic surfaces are costlier to manufacture. There's a lot to be said for keeping things simple and then optimizing the hardware
>>16474780SOVL, unironically. New Glenn is the perfect fit. An oversized rocket for an overweight capsule.
>>16474780Tell me about the fletch why is it there.
test
>>16474780Honestly, its the right rocket for Artemis SLS replacement. Also, it absolves Elon and DOGE of favoritism accusations, since it would be handing the capsule launch of the astronauts to a direct rival. Although SpaceX still takes the glory, by landing so many HLS Starships on the Moon, it makes BO look funny in comparison.
>>16474787>astronauts would launch into low-Earth orbit inside an Orion spacecraftWhich spacecraft can put Orion into LEO?
>>16474787Why wasn't that the plan from the start?
>>16474799The bridenstack
>>16474801no i think they were supposed to meet up at gateway
>>16474787If you're launching Orion then might as well go to the moon with it, it's retarded launching that incredibly expensive vehicle to LEO. Just use Dragon.
fuck you
>>16474799Vulcan has the diameter and capacity for an LEO launch
Hey guys I'm compiling some videos that I think will ultimately be significant in the history of spaceflight, and I'm having trouble finding one. I'm pretty sure it's a rally, and Trump says something like>and I said EE LAN, can you get us to Mars?and everyone cheers. There's like 1.5 work year's worth of rally footage out there (3000+ hours) so I haven't had any luck. Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
what does the name mean?
>>16474812It occurred more than once, but one of them he just paused, mumbled and insecurely said, I think we can.Because Trump made it a hard deadline with boots on Mars, he knows is questionable and maybe undoable timeline that would result in accidental deaths due to rushing.
>>16474809sex with anime rocket girls
>>16474812I'm not sure Trump is gonna like being in the Shadow of Elon bros...
>>16474820Jeff Bezos cant meme
>>16474826That makes two tycoons.
>>16474828Yes, Zuckerberg and Bezos both cant meme.Add Bill Gates to the list too
>>16474804I mean, docking in LEO should be the original plan. HLS is still an unproven vehicle, and they wanted to do a manned Moon landing right away.
>>16474812have you used chatgpt yet? My google skills are really good, but it sometimes saves me time when I'm trying to find some obscure name or facts.
>>16474834The whole Artemis plan is retarded. 2024 was a completely fake date for artemis 3 too. Seemed like NASA was trying to copy Musks style in that regard. The lunar landing will happen in 2028, which is what NASA originally expected. No doubt there will be at least 1 HLS mission with crew but no Lunar landing along the way
>>16474839>The lunar landing will happen in 2028I'm extremely skeptical of this due to nasas procrastination on the heatshield problem. I don't expect artemis 2 before 2027. Maybe if we're lucky we get artemis 3 in 2030.
>>16474809>what is tha... BY GOD NEW GLENN WITH THE STEEL CHAIR
>>16474725they won't, SLS is dead (== good)
>>16474845At least SLS is real
>>16474297it's cold at night because the earth's emitted power is high, and the felt temperature on the surface is dominated by convective effects, not radiative>>16474596the serious names were a mandate because 10 named their shit snoopy and charlie brown and NASA decided that was embarrassing
>>16474723Boca Chica is so beautiful this time of year>>16474756tanks are heavier and wings are lighter in KSP than in reality
>>164747803 stage new glenn is sex
>>16474812I hope Elon keep a low profile, he's getting too close to the sun, which is bad.
>>16474861What happens if Elon gets too close to the sun, so to speak?
>>16474862His wings melt and he falls into the ocean
>>16474862Killed by the CIA. Certain people do not want Mars to happen. The only possible threat to America is a second America with more white people and less regulation, 86 million miles out of nuking range
>>16474809This was from when SN9 flew and crashed right around the time SLS fouled up its first long duration engine test, iirc
>>16474717Lmao even a manned mars mission in your lifetime is not guaranteed
>>16474879Now that trump is president it is, short of him dying in a freak car accident tomorrow or something.
>>16474876here
*clunk*
Rocket Factory Augsburg's Reusable SHLV proposal>30 Gas generator methalox on S1 with Hydrolox S2
>>164748977m diameter
>>16474897>hydromemeWhy?
>>16474897Have these guys ever successfully launched a rocket?I mean even BO has a successful liquid propelled rocket (and billions of dollars). What do these guys have?
>>16474903RFA-1 is supposed to be launching from SaxaVord, so they've been crawling through the same regulatory hell that finished over Virgin Orbit. Blowing up a first stage during testing back in August hasn't helped them any
>>16474836Alright I asked it and it made something up to agree with me
>>16474903>What do these guys have?Static fired S2 and a uh, partially static fired S1 that blew up when they tried to fully static fire it.
>>16474717> 2025 - mars base(spacex), population 10000
>>16474756propellant is cheap and wings are expensive, efficiency doesn't matter if it costs more, & higher peak heating isn't an issue that costs less to solve with wings vs a bit of TPS. >>16474780An improvement of $3 billion vs SLS, now just replace the $1 billion thing on top.
What are they even going to try with Flight 6? Same shit or are they going to at least try a reignite? Also, when the fuck are we gonna see a Starship 2.0 prototype in flight?
>>16474917you must be a member of mensa
>>16474917Let him cook
>>16474928Mensa these balls
>>16474931fuckin got him lmao
>>16474927the launch profile is mostly similar but they will test a raptor relight during the coast phase, different more aggressive re-entry profile and less tiles on the ship, a bit different booster landing procedure (though probably looks similar to us)block 2 starship is going to be on flight 7
I don’t understand why BO is jumping from non-orbital flight to a heavy lift vehicle with a reusable first stage. I don’t think they have a chance in hell of pulling this off. From what I understand BO has been hemorrhaging talent to SpaceX for a long time
>>16474944I don’t think they’ll get reuse on the first try like they want, but I don’t see any reason the rocket won’t work. Both stage engines are flight proven.
spehs
>>16474910You have any insight onto what exactly the brits are demanding of them to launch?
>>16474949is the place.
>>16474944It's actually that easy in rocketry.>I don’t think they have a chance in hell of pulling this off.90% they will, they have a bit of experience with NS.
>>16474949Space Shuttle is ther most beautiful craft ever built. Physical perfection. Perfect form. Starship does not come close.
>>16474962Space Shuttle was powered by kino alone
POV I'm strokin my meat
>>16474965stickin my fist in your ass while you do it ;)
>>16474897>https://esamultimedia.esa.int/docs/STS/Executive_Summary/PROTEIN_RFA_EX_v1.7.pdf>https://esamultimedia.esa.int/docs/STS/Executive_Summary/PTN-TN-1000000-X-0003-AGS_ExSum.pdfI prefer it over the ArianeGroup proposal
>>16474965>I'm over here stroking my dick I got A20130236012 on my dick right now. I'm just stroking my shit I'm horny as fuck man I'm a freak man like for real
RAHHH BOOSTER IS ON THE LAUNCHPAD WE ARE GOING
Is there still enough time to start my own rocket company and be the first to Callisto?
>>16474982It's easier to make money elsewhere and buy your mission.
>>16474984I want my own rocket.
>>16474985There's too many launchers already. Just buy a Starship trip
>>16474799>Which spacecraft can put Orion into LEO?Falcon Heavy, 6 SRB Vulcan and New Glenn all have the performance to.
>>16474949>space shuttleew
>>16474988Can you just buy a Starship wholesale? I want to own the upper stage and pay SpaceX to launch it (and me) into LEO, then pay for refueling flights so I can take my Starship wherever the fuck I please.>nooo you can't go to Saturn What if I can?
>>16474992This will be done in the future. Planes were originally basically only for the inventors in the field, but now anyone can get a small plane like a Cessna and fly. Same with cars, will just be a bit before they allow it. I would think that this happens first on Mars than anywhere else due to them not having to follow US regulation of Trump gives Elon the go ahead to be a self managing colony as its completely owned by SpaceX.
>>16474992With any luck starship and its “competitors” will be the last generation of rockets that functions under the “launch service provider” model. Hopefully future generations will function more like airlines/airline manufacturers. Airbus doesn’t sell rides on their planes, they sell their planes to other companies who operate them.
>>16474992I mean you definitely aren't piloting a Starship so you'd probably pay them to manage the entire travel side of things. If Starship works as planned I don't see why someone with $20 million in 2050 can't just fill the ship with five years of life support/food/water and head to Saturn. Might need to double or triple that cost if you want to come back though.
Could a Superheavy with no Starship on top get to LEO? Could you refill an entire stack in space, expend the entire booster to accelerate, and use a fully filled Starship to decelerate? How quickly would that get you to Mars?
>>16474992kek, I would do the same if I had the money, anon. Buy a Starship, fill it up, and then make a one-way trip to Eris/Dysnomia.>nooo, you have to human rate it first!just sign a waiver.
You would be surprised by the amount of people that would voluntarily go on a 1 way trip to Mars.
>>16475005yeah have fun with your mars base populated exclusively by suicidally depressed loners
>>16475008Mars will cure depression. You don't think so and you're wrong.
>>16475003It's hard to say without exact weight and performance numbers, but some people (redditors) have looked into the idea and the answer seems like a tentative yes. Having an extra ~9km/s to work with would allow you to use significantly faster trajectories to Mars, although you might run into some issues if the standard aerobreaking profile exceeds what Starship is capable of and you start needing to use retropropulsion to survive Martian entry
>>16475013>superheavy is a smallsat SSTO
>>16475014Technically yes. Most people assume that an SSTO has enough fuel to land after it gets to orbit, but if you ignore that part you could probably deliver some Electron-sized payloads
>>16475003>>16475013>>16475014It's definitely not an SSTO. Stop sucking off SpaceX. Original Interplanetary Transport System was meant to be an SSTO but now neither are capable.
>>16475003>refilling an entire super heavy + starship stack in LEOenceladus in 4 months here we go
>>16475017I’ll concede it being an SSTO but I’m not going to stop slobbering on spacex’s juicy cock.
>>16475018>enceladus in 4 months here we goDeath to slow drifts, let's fucking GO
ArianeGroup really seems to hate the concept of a methalox upper-stage. Their preference is to first develop the disposable hydromeme upper-stage (left), and maybe do the methalox reusable upper (right) sometime laterAnd I do mean HATE, their proposal document was full of passive aggressive snark
>>16474824Are these doom posts genuine? You aren't really this dumb, right? You give off non American citizen vibes
>>16475030Were you born in 2008?
>>16475028>Initially propose large 2xMethalox reusable stages (also wtf is that S2/S1 ratio... That SUSIEship should be twice longer)>It has shit performances to higher orbit therefore we'll use hydrolox expendable stages???? have they heard of refuelling or kick stages?
>>16475003>Could a Superheavy with no Starship on top get to LEO? The dV is like 8, you need 9, so just shy. You could however, God forgive me, put a superheavy on top of another superheavy
>>16475031Answer my question first, then I'll answer yours.
>>16474717lollmaorofl
>>16475018>enceladus in 4 months here we goa quick flyby then off to interstellar space since you can't brake
>>16475036
>>16475036Unironically SpaceX could so some cool shit for the 2028 olympic games. At least carrying the flame in orbit. Maybe cislunar space too?
>>16475041>carry the flame to orbit >it goes out
>>16475028They already have hydrolox infrastructure at Kourou so it's not that big of a deal as for SpaceXAdditionally, they put huge amounts of cash, time and effort into developing hydrogen engines (and they are relatively decent ones at that).>full of passive aggressive snarkFrench being French
>>16475047Do you think engineering a torch that works in zero g would be a difficult task?
>>16474902Anything hydrogen gets fat cheques from European governments because "green" even though it's the most wasteful way of storing energy we've come up with.
>>16475050It depends what you mean.
>>16475041>>16475050We can invent a space torch.
>>16475054>just fill your hab with rocket exhaust bro
>>16475051There are people in europe who have wet dreams of repurposing the entire gas pipeline network of the EU to distribute hydrogen and heat homes&power the entire EU industry on it. How they are going to produce that much hydrogen and how they are going to pump hydrogen, that is known to leak like a sieve trough pretty much anything, in those pipelines is also a mystery.But greenfags are that way, close down the nuclear plants first, think about how to replace the power production later, we all can see how well that went for germany.
>>16475060If you add a carbon atom to every four hydrogen atoms it gets way easier to store and use
Space is an NPC getto.
>>16475028Arianespace isn't going to promote methalox upper stage engines when they make hydrolox ones.
Bitch you don't weigh anything
>>16475058Just roll down the windows a crack to air it out.
>>16475060The objective of the exercise is not to deliver anything at all, only vague promises. Vague promises guarantee government subsidies, once subsidies are in it's suddenly found "not economically viable" and everyone working on the project go somewhere else for more government subsidies.You see it with on and off shore wind power, battery factories and endgame for now - hydrogen.
>>16475062Transforming that methane into hydrogen, which incidentally is the most efficient way of producing hydrogen wastes 70% of the energy stored in the methane.
>>16475068Hey yeah, how the hell would she know yet?
>gateway might be killwhat will happen to the modules? we know nasa likes to repurpose things instead of throwing them away.
>>16475076ISS 2.0 Cuckshed Boogaloo.
>>16475076MY PENISIN THE TUBESEX NOW
>>16475076Probably just ISS 2 without the russians
>>16475076top 10 most expensive pictures
>>16475084so just an american space stationASS?
>>16475089if it was our fourth station it could've been called 4ASS...
>>16475089Well the euros will be there too
Anyone got more of them "on the surface" mockup photos/drawings? I just find them really comfy for some reason.
>>16474717>2032 - mars base(china), population ~1,6 billiononly possible if china sends me and 50 women by 2030
>>16475100go play elite dangerous in VR
>>16475072They have a spring contraption for measuring mass. The SLAMMD.
>>16475107>Sunni got SLAMMD in spaceSounds messy
>>16475068fucking kek
>>16474962Energia was the most beautiful lift system ever built.
When are they going to start sending up Lunarlink and Marslink satellites?
>>16475116STS looked better. Between the orange, the aspect ratios of the srbs, and the design of the orbiter itself.
>>16475100I love them, too. Here's one I made for Sedna some time ago.
>>16475119marslink wont happen because by the time it's ready, the colony will be up and running and there wont be a need for nasa to send unmanned missions to mars anymore
>>16475123That just looks like our moon with the red turned up.
>>16475120>the aspect ratios of the srbsThat's want entirely ruined it, and the SLS as a consequance, aesthetically. The thin ass SRB against that massive, thick orange tank looks fucking awful.
>>16475047Dirty little secret: the flame on the torch during the rely often gets blown out. They keep a backup of the flame in a lantern which is used to light the torch again the next morning but the torch that is blown out is just re-lit with a lighter.
>>16474820Pale blue dot, is orgin
>>16475107She didn't say her mass was unchanged, she said she weights the same as when she arrived.
>>16475116Think you'll find N1 was the best looking rocket ever.
>>16475124The Martians themselves will need Marslink way more than rovers
>>16475130Well I guess that’s true no matter how much they starve her
>>16475126well yeah, that's more or less what I did lol. Here you have one from Venus, which I found on this general. Same vibe.
>>16475132would they? if everyone is located in a single settlement then it seems like the communications would be fine with just your regular wifi, cell, and other terrestrial radio
>>16475127>-z,+z,-y,+y>Not calling it Port, Starboard, Aft and Bowshameful display
>>16475131it’s so whimsical
>>16475134Now it's Io's turn!
>>16475136But how would they post on /sfg/?
>>16475123>>16475134Thanks for sharing. The cold, icy landscapes are my favourite because they remind me of a dream I had when I was a kid.
>>16475116Energia was nothing special and Buran lacked the Shuttle perfection. It was jsut a faker, didnt even have the phatt ass of shuttle
>>16475143Objectively better than the Shuttle.
>>16474854Leo propellant depot, how rare are largish objects in orbit hit by debris?
>>16475140probably a different communications architecture
>>16475139Europa by the same artist.
>>16475146in LEO you can simply track all objects large enough to hurt you and shield against everything smaller with whipple shields
>>16475136There's definitely going to be very remote specialised outposts/mines/factories that will need a continuous comm link like oil platforms on Earth. Not to mention the explosion of robotic workers/rovers when they can be live controlled by some guy in a chair on mars.
>>16475139Io, Io, were off to kill Iowith a bucket and spade and a hand grenade Io! Io, Io, Io!
>>16475142>cold, icy landscapes are my favouriteSame. It feels as though you are so far away from everything you've ever known. Utter radio silence, tinnitus embraces you, only your thoughts are to be acknowledged. Nothing matters here, for all problems ceased to be. Were you to pass away, not a single soul would ever know. You and the landscape share no border, it all conflated into one. Solitude is your companion.>a dream I had when I was a kidOh, do tell us.
/sfg/ vindicated. trump confirmed for arguably the most important space president ever.
Reading through their proposal, it seems RFA is taking the SHLV concept much more seriously than ArianeSpace. It was also cute seeing them use SpaceX terminology like "belly-flop"
>>16475127You will really hate SLS with the EUS upper stage then.
>>16475169Good thing it will never be built lmao.
>>16475165I still don't know what Trump's plan for space isAll I've gotten is some vague notion of deregulation for spacex
>>16475041The torch was carried several time to orbit, though it wasn't lit up, because space agencies hate fun.The real challenge would be to make it part of the relay, ie, keep it burning during launch, orbit, then deorbit.
>>16474780the SLS of the futuresomething stupidly expensive which only exists to make SpaceX look better
>>16475175so far its vague but we've seen>SLS canceled>desire to get artemis 2 to the moon before his term is up>desire to get starship to mars before his term is up>expanded space force>brilliant pebbles 2.0some speculate that he'll push to get space command moved to huntsville alabama too
>>16475136To connect to Earth
>>16475180oh yeah and>desire to get artemis 3 on the moon before his term is up
>>16475184Isn't this contradictory with cancelling SLS?
>>16475186Only if you require Artemis to use SLS. You don't HAVE to use the orange rogget at all if you don't want to, why should you if the alternatives are orders of magnitude cheaper?
>>16475175Probably because you never looked.https://spacenews.com/gop-platform-lays-out-aggressive-space-agenda-to-counter-china/
>>16475166Too many engines. No way a vehicle with that many engines can ever be made reliable.
>>16475187Realistically, Could starship become crew rated for moon to earth reentry in 4 years?
>>16475188>As recently as the early 2000s, it cost nearly $10,000 to put one kilogram into low-Earth orbit. By 2015, SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket could do it for $2,720. Today, launching the same payload costs as low as $1,500. With intense market competition and SpaceX’s huge new Starship rocket, we foresee pricing below $1,000 by the end of the decade. The last time we saw such a combination of falling prices and improved performance, it was in the integrated circuits that drove the personal computing and internet revolutions. Moore’s Law sustained global U.S. technological and economic dominance for decades. The Republican platform embraces the possibility of a similar boom in space.we gaan
>>16475189It turns out having your engines in multiples of 9 gives the most reliability.https://youtu.be/ki5UBcXOIUs?si=xXIbBxZBHwHA1w4J
>>16475188>Greg Autry is the author of Red Moon Rising: How America Will be China on The Final Frontier.>be
>>16475191Why bot just use Orion but transfer sooner? Not dragging it to nrho means the heat shield as it is isn’t a problem and drops the requirements for a rocket that carries it by a lot.
>>16474717>2025 - mars base(spacex), population 10000low level b8
>>16474812I think that's the Pennsylvania rally. There haven't been too many where ELAN appears with Trump
>>16475203I don't know for sure that Elon was that deep in it yet
>>16475189>he doesn't know
>>16475166>no engine-out redundancy in the second stageFOOLS>>16475189GREATER FOOL
>>16475193>multiples of 9That's only according to his model. If you can have engine-out redundancy with 8 engines or a minimum of 10 engines, then the rest of the numbers are difference. Eager uses 9 in his model because that's what Falcon 9 has.
>>16474861Elon is going to buy the Sun.
>>16475233No fair, I was gonna buy that
>>16475252sovl. I yearn for the reality where SpaceX never got off the ground.
Lol. Lmao even
>>16475258What’s so funny?
>>16475260Why dont you tell me Jeff?
>>16475148ice dragon?
>>16475258Love this stuff. Makes it so easy to argue they aren't a monopoly while they rake in $30b/y
https://x.com/GoToImpulse/status/1857121810975797403>Introducing Deneb, a powerhouse hydrocarbon engine designed for unmatched performance.>Deneb's ox-rich staged combustion cycle combined with a high area ratio expansion nozzle will deliver 15,000 pounds of thrust — setting it up to be one of the highest-performing liquid oxygen/liquid methane engines ever flown, per its creator, Tom Mueller (@lrocket).
>>16475266Looks pretty tidy. Is it, perhaps, only “partially assembled”?
We are under 4 days to launch, less than 96 hours. Who is ready?
>>16475268Engines are getting simpler, I like this trend. Maybe eventually they'll be simple enough for a retard like me to figure out.
>>16475258big if true. another L for spaceX and the muskites.
One of the experiments needed to be done on Moon and Mars is somehow get massive (how big?) glass or plastic, see through and or not, terrariums that are hooked with some of the proposed air and water production and filtration systems, climate control, plants, soils, fruits, vegetables, insects, worms, micro organisms, pools with water life, reptiles and small animals, with
>>16475232>Eager uses 9 in his model because that's what Falcon 9 has.Did you even watch the video?
>>16475258Blue and another unnamed launch provider.>>16475260Probably how AST is getting shit on in court trying to lawfare SpaceX.
>>16475197>he thinks I'm joking>he doesn't know about the secret bi-yearly mars transfer maneuverkek what an imbecile
>>16475287It was a stupid thing to post because the mars base already has a population higher than that. It would be like saying I expect the US to have at least 300 million people by 2025
>>16474897So they want to merge a F9 first stage with a NG first stage... as a second stage.... with hydrolox....
>>16475279I bet cowgirl sex is mindblowing in lunar gravity
https://x.com/ajtourville/status/1857180179761639799Airbus (government owned European defense company) says SpaceX would not pass antitrust in Europe
>>16475271I think that hotter engines are able to direct more of the plasma in a narrower cone, thus requiring less cooling of the engine and funnel.
>>16475298https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77-pNVbE0Uwwith compliments
>>16475299America choose unequal sharing of blessings. Europe choose equal sharing of miseries.
>>16475307Let that sink in. Elon bros just keep winning, do we need to topple their governments too?
https://spacenews.com/chinese-official-endorses-cooperation-with-the-u-s-on-space-exploration/China extending olive branch to US space exploration
>>16475312Why didn't they offer this a month ago?
>>16475313New admin = new chance. Biden door was closed, so they had no chance.
>>16475314And further its likely Trump's doors are also closed, but you dont know that if you dont try. It could possibly lead to some greater deal with Taiwan de-escalation, but I doubt it, still even if its 1%, its still a c hance
>>16475312the answer is NO, but you can do some of the tedious manufacturing bits if you so like. as long as its really cheap
>>16475302It was extremely, extremely, extremely dumb to use hair spray on this photoshoot.
>>16475312We should give china our weapons secrets.
>>16475125starship looks more natural with less side tiles desu
>>16475314>New admin = new chance.Trump is super hawkish towards China while Biden was happy to let them expand their influence
>>16475312>be a "developing nation" that still recieves billions in aid every year from the west, but at the same time has a spaceprogram and the second largest militairy force in the world. >be in a tradewar with the US&EU>use the cartels to flood america with fentanyl>have army of spies who are stealing US&EU tech so they can reverse engineer it. >openly be hostile to a nation that produces most of the semiconducters of the world. >etc....>ask to join the international space program. Wow, these guys should join, dont see any problem here.
https://x.com/ajtourville/status/1857180179761639799
>>16475324Biden has slanty eyes himself, those eyebrows creep me right the fuck out, especially in directional lighting
>>16475324just simply not true
>>16475324Hawkish just means more willing to leverage a trade deal properly. Its better than the stormy waves situation we have today while the president ignores the precarious situation as if nothing is happening due to his dementia. No president in the US will start a war with China, only a delusional would think that is the case here. So hawkishness is just leverage in this case, the potential for change. Trump wants something.
>>16475325JFK suggested cooperation with the Soviets on a manned lunar mission.
>>16475327Both Faury and the xigger are right. There is nothing of value in europe.
>>16475337JFK suggested a lot of things that got him killed by the CIA.
>>16475266I can't keep track of all the different fuels: qrd on different fuel combos and their advantages and disadvantages?
>>16475345Trump is restructuring CIA. He has a target on his back. So does Musk right now.
>>16475279>glass or plasticOr whatever habitat/base materials planned to be used actually, I just thought terrariums are usually glass and to see in but now I see there's no need for that, mini version of the materials people may someday being using, and set up many live feed cameras inside
>>16475352Trump is going to leave the CIA alone, and trump will not release the JFK files.
>>16475348>hydrazine>kerolox>hydrolox>methalox4 options, exceedingly complex and risky
>>16475122>pathetic>>pathetic>>>pathetic
>>16475253I'd kind of like the reality where BO got off the ground already.
>>16475299Airbus is not government owned
>>16475279>>16475354It was already tried and it failed spectacularly. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2. But to be fair, there were management issues and there probably weren't many actual experts involved in the planning process. Your idea should be tried on Earth first, with proper organisation and funding. Algae can be used to create oxygen. It would be interesting to see how plants grow and airborne insects maneouvre in micro-G.
>>16475348>>16475362and a bunch of other fun fuels
>>16475327>>16475299Euros are so dumb omg>>16475033ESA scaled SUSIE down in this infographic? kek
>>16475378>Directly11% French11% German5% SpanishAnd further many other shares are probably partially owned by these as well through partial ownerships
>>16475122>>16475371someone needs to draw this pic with anime girls
>>16475379Yeah that was a while ago, people here talk seriously and non chalantly about oxygen and water production in Moon and Mars habitat like it's walk in the park in the next few years. Put those water, air, climate systems, (food) on a scaled down habitat, with plants, ponds life, insects, reptiles, micro organisms, small mamals, and hook live video feeds all over it, and sensors etc. By this time next year at least 3 of these should be on the moon, year and a half or 2 years if needed. What is timeline for people on moon? How is robotics and 3d printing, and modular habitat air tight construct ability? Where are the moon landing, and these terrarium location candidates, what's to consider, temperature shielding, stabilizing it to ground, solar panels all on the outside. Also there should be a large tight knit very tight knit cage fenced off area, where a bunch of soil and plants and insects and micro organisms are filled up in, with tiny tiny hole maybe 1 or 2, access to moon vacuum, just to see what would happen?
Dude builds propane/oxygen pulse detonation engine, claims 500+ isphttps://youtu.be/RVETCyR-CoM?t=1758
Reddit says it's unlikely for the launch to be on Monday.
>>16475415Just take you estrogen on time, and Reddit will be okay
>>16475393wut is blud waffling about :skull:
>>16475415Why would I care what reddit thinks? I'm not on reddit, I'm on 4chan, I care what 4chan thinks not reddit. If I wanted to hear what those losers thought I'd go there myself.
>>16475434those were simpler times, back beforeanyone hknew what a piping plover was, back when the environmentlist FUD was about how grasshopper was disturbing cows
>>16475438does anyone have the picture of the plover with superheavy in the background?
lollmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mroWeJhn-Y0
>>16475258Jeff's Budget (getting paid for testing OMG WE'RE LIKE SPACEX!!!) Launches.
>>16475258When do the astroonomers start complaining about them blocking out stars?
>>16475434>the cows are confusedhaha
>>16474717Most pessimistic SpaceX fan
>>16475433One of the cooler space experiments I could think of, and would be surprised if many wouldn't agree
>>16474780I don't hate it. Does it have enough DeltaV to yeet Orion into NRHO or whatever Lunar orbit they wanna put Gateway in now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_8cgLFqQnonah what the hell bruh :skull:
I don't see it.
Red White and Steel
>>16475393Water/air on Mars is basically solved as a technology problem, and any volume made habitable for people will also support your creepy crawlies. I'm not sure what there is to learn from what you describe
you fuck
>>16475474Vertical red and white bars.The sun confirmed original 13 colonies fan.
>>16475415Reddit says communism is great
fou yuck
>>16475480where is the blue rectangle with the stars in it then? jackass.
>>16475483retarded gorilla nigger.
>>16475487What a gay looking launch complex. Still can't beleive this washed up company never delivered the falcon 5 family. What's the point?
>>16475487How big will Starbase get?
>>16475490It will begin growing exponentially
>>16475490
>>16475490>>16475492Its trapped between SPI and Mexico, it can grow a bit more, but I think 4 towers is about the max.Only one orbital inclination is available from there, which sucks. And its not a friendly site for just manufacture and export. Its R&D with some launch capability too, but SpaceX needs not only Florida but also some willing partners (Australia, please?)
>>16475495how the fuck are they suppsoed to get ships to australia jackass?
>>16475495When the United States invades Mexico to end the cartels, Elon will be awarded some additional formerly Mexican land adjacent to Starbase which he can expand into.
>>16475499Fly them there>inb4 E2E is a meme"NO!"
>>16475502how about the boosters incel?
>>16475502dont fuk with me btw, i reallywould appreciate if you dont fuck with me.
>>16475505RTLS, dumdum.
>>16475511what about the hot stage ring? asshole.
>>16475515I'll let you know when SpaceX figures it out.
>>16474781I know the mark of a bear paw when I see it. They're fighting space bears and hiding it from the taxpayer. Is the ISS in danger of bear attack? Who put these bears in space? Are the bears communists?
>>16475520Cease your baseless inquiries into this subject at once.
>>16475285Yes, I did. Weeks ago. Apparently I nevertheless remember it's contents better than you.>You may be wondering why the magic number is nine. I chose nine because we know that Falcon 9 is single-engine redundant.@ 7:32 in that videoIf you happened to make a seven engine rocket that had a redundant engine, then the "magic number" would be 7 rather than 9. If your rocket had 12 engines but only one redundant, then the magic number for that rocket would be 12, not 9.
>>16475253why? If that was the case we still wouldn't have the ability to launch our own astronauts
fuck you (in a good way)
>>16475535thanks mate, i needed that
>>16475515
>>16475258cant wait for the future asstroonomer seething and shitting as we build countless concentric dyson swarms around the gay Earth
Why haven't they made a starlink style weather satellite constellation? Or are the current handfull good enough?
>>16475266Lookin good
The stackening is happening
>>16475520Space Bears are not a problem. They keep the Moon Bunny population in check.
>>16475551why is his body so small? and why can I instantly clock him as a homosexual even though he's not public about it?
>>16475544hmmmmmmmm no
>>16475552are they going to destack it for fts or has that already been done?
>>16475555soft estrogen face. he got them eyes
>>16475556That's plenty big enough to fit a hotstage ring, maybe 2
>>16475556ship is as two pieces then weld it on arrivalez pz
TONIGHT, ON BOTTOM GEAR>Richard survives a launch abort!>"WELL THIS CERTAINLY IS SOME HORSEPOWER ISN'T IT">cut to Soyuz launch escape tower igniting at max Q>James attempts to start a rocket engine!>"Lads, I think it must be a bit damp.">cut to green TEA/TEB flash and James being annihilated by a Merlin exhaust plume >and I test drive the new Boeing Starliner! >"It seems we've developed a loss of power, something must be cocked up with the forward thrusters.">cut to Starliner motionless outside the ISS and unable to dock >All this and more tonight on Bottom Gear!
>>16475570when's the mars special coming out
>>16475570What da stig doing?
>>16475300hmmmmmno, you've totally misunderstood thermodynamics, go back to school kid
lifted
>>16475300>>16475579This is the rocket equivalent of thinking cold water boils faster than hot water.
>>16475576>Some say he's able to generate thrust by reflecting microwaves inside his helmet in a way that violates the law of conservation of momentum,>and that he actually set foot on the moon shortly before Neil Armstrong, but immediately reentered the lander, finding the surface of the moon to be uncomfortably chilly.>All we know is, he's called Alexstig Leonstignov.
>>16475553>Space Bear PropagandaПocт лaпa, звepь.
get hyped
>>16475581spacex has really sped up the stacking process. look at that ship zoom
>>16475582THE INVERSE MPEMBA EFFECT IS VERY REAL AND I WON'T BE CONVINCED OTHERWISE
>>16475490Starbase Starfactory is the prototype. The Roberts Road facility has nearly twice as much land under SpaceX's control and the factory there has the potential to get to be as half as big as Giga Austin. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the decade or by mid decade next, SpaceX will build an actual Gigafactory Austin sized facility for Starship/SuperHeavy production as they ramp the sheer volume of Crew and Moonships.
>>16475581>new upgrade to Mechazilla now allow SpaceX to launch Starship in a new flight profile that allows it to clear the tower without igniting its engines, reach a height of half a kilometer before ignition occurs, allowing SpaceX to shave hundreds of metric tons of fuel, paving the way to a new era of reusability
>>16475602Slinglaunch 2025
>>16475474sons of liberty
>>16475604>who needs raptors when you have a million autists pulling back on a slingshot to punt a Starship into low OP's mom's orbit
https://twitter.com/danpiemont/status/1857257300458877197ABL space stops its orbital launch activities to focus on missile defense.No RS-1 ever cleared its pad. Reminder ABL had a 58 launches contract from Lockheed..
>>16475608who?
3 days
>>16475610ABL - A Bitch of Lockheed
>>16475608Smart. Smallaunch isn't a completely dead market segment yet but it only gets harder to break into with each passing year. Meanwhile, there's a desperate demand for anything that's remotely SM-3 equivilant. This is the best move they could have possibly made given current circumstancesStill sucks that we'll never get to see any good RS-1 launch footage
>>16475457>When do the astroonomers start complaining about them blocking out stars?funny how they're silent about the chinese satellites even though they're some of the brightest
intuitive machines demands more gibs, says artemis should focus on unmanned missions firsthttps://spacenews.com/intuitive-machines-calls-for-infrastructure-first-focus-for-artemis/
>>16475608Absolute bankruptcy looming
>>16475600>Starbase Starfactory is the prototypeThis fucking company man
>>16475478>I'm not sure what there is to learn from what you describeWhat they would be like with moon gravity, just how their biology and the terrarium biosphere would function over time, how plants would react to the differing sun light.In the other experiment with just plant matters and microbes, small holes in the container, to see what leaked out, precursor to the possibility of atmosphere generation at all, or if the tiniest of holes allowing access to moons vacua, would disrupt the functioning of terrarium cylinder A vs complete enclosed cylinder B. Maybe there are automatic shades that allow differing amount of sun light.Yeah really just to see how a terrarium bio of a variety of earthly life forms would function over, months, years, while boxly attached to the moons surface. The other simpler version, with holes sensor monitor at the holes what kind of interaction is going on there. Test the habitat tech of oxygen and water and climate control, I mean how automated are those things planned to be, press on and they run smoothly for months straight? A pond in the terrariums, how will fish do, a fenced in section garden bed open to moon air of plants, that are fed water and soil nutrients, co2 from underneath, see how they do.Okay it may all be stupid pointless idea, but I thought there was something to it. Yeah it's a pointless idea. Is there fear of contaminating the moon, could micro organisms multiply there and take over, what can be used to terraform? We have a c02 problem, ship it all to the moon, to the miles long plant beds that are seeped co2 from underneath,Okay I'm back to thinking terrarium might be cool, my only problem was I was thinking too small. 100 x 100 x 100 yd rainforest jungle, that is see through, hooked up with vid cams, but maybe also can be seen vines on trees through a glass cube from earth telescope. No it's all dumb
>>16475642IM is based so I'm cool with this
Trump on Elon>he likes this place. I can't get him out of here!it's over, the feud has started
>>16475655Felonbros...
Found some old school kino
>>16475660
>>16475647orbital propellant depot v1 prototype test article
>>16475642where's that moonlink elooooooooooon
>>16475608>However, over the past few years, we’ve seen our ability to make a meaningful impact in the launch industry diminish. Take a look around. U.S. rockets fly every couple of days, with perfect success. It’s revolutionary. While there is still a need for more providers in certain market segments, those opportunities are decreasing. To succeed in such a demanding effort as scaling up an orbital launch program, you need deep motivation around your mission and potential impact, from many stakeholders. As the launch market matured, those motivations thinned and our path to making a big contribution as a commercial launch company narrowed considerably.
>>16475608Will be folded into Lockheed Marin right?
>>16475647Elon said that Tesla's biggest advantage is their manufacturing capability and not specifically their EV tech. Elon routinely cross pollinates talent from Tesla into SpaceX and vice-versa to augment and accelerate projects. Tesla also uses each factory as basically a CICD pipeline, learning from failures and improving in the process. No two Tesla factories at the same. Freemonth led to Nevada which led to Shanghai, which led to Berlin, which led to Austin. Austin is their largest and most advanced and most modern factory yet. SpaceX is following the same playbook. You can think of Starbase, Texas as the equivalent of Freemont where like the Model 3 production, they were building everything in tents. They've now completed the tent phase and are about to enter the proper factory phase. That's v1.0 aka Freemont aka Starbase. Roberts Road will be equivalent to Giga Shanghai. If they ever build a third Starfactory, say in Maine for example (as it's towards the north most tip of the US and closer to polar orbit launch profiles), we'll basically see a factory in vein of either Berlin or Austin.Like 4-5 years ago, Elon tweeted that he's playing Factorio on speedrun, in real life. All behavior with Tesla and SpaceX completely tracks with that sentiment. Hell, take the new X/Ai data center that was built in Memphis, Tennessee. They built a 100,000 H100 GPU datacenter for model training in 122 days. Jensen Huang literally in an interview said that it takes on average about 4 years to do the same. While the DC in this case is exclusive for this startup and not a general purpose, so a lot of qualification and certification was skipped, it's nonetheless quite ridiculous. It also is first principles design. They didn't have 100MW of power available, so they bought NatGas turbine plants on site to even out the power until they got approved for more. Then they got milisecond power issues during training ramp, so they bought in 100MW megapacks to streamline the power.
>>16475676>>16475647So much so that Sam Altman abjectly panicked and went to Microsoft's board demanding they move just as quickly. There's like a dozen other startups now demanding that when DCs are built, natgas turbines are bought on site to accelerate design, build, and success rate. And that eventually tap into Tesla megapacks too, in order to streamline power delivery so inconsistent power delivery during training ramp when GPUs massively scale up power until they normalize is addressed. The sheer degree of optimizations at every level involved are insane, and this guy just keeps pushing the boundary ever forward. It's hard to extrapolate where SpaceX and Tesla and other Elon ventures will be in 10 years, because practically ever year, they reinvent the wheel and make it something radically newer and better to the degree that the competition keeps shitting and pissing their pants, falling over to try to catch up what they pulled off last year.
>>16475676>Tesla also uses each factory as basically a CICD pipelinebut teslas change much less than other makes of car over time? or do you mean a cicd pipeline for factory design?
>>16475664I've seen this before
>>16475681CiCD of the factory itself. Tesla treats the factory as a whole as just another piece of software that needs to be tested, in a pipeline, and optimized over time. Most car companies have a factory design and they copy pasta it all over the world, optimizing it minimally to account for supply chain constraints. Tesla says "fuck that, each factory is an opportunity to fully refactor the ENTIRE design, and so we will, and anyone that disagrees is fired and asked to fuck off the premises."
>>16475681>but teslas change much less than other makes of car over timeThey change from literally month to month. Teslas from Jan aren't same as Teslas from December and like from July/Aug or so. Even though they keep the old model number arch that cars use, the starting year tesla and ending year Tesla are different.
Uhhh I think Elon is acting Secretary of State rn
>BONK!
>>16475681where did you even hear that? there is some youtube guy who does teardowns if you're actually interested but it changes all the time. >Munro Livemajor changes (like 48V or switching to ethernet communication) are by per vehicle line though. though sometimes not like how they started gigacasting parts for the model 3 without changing the name
>>16475691It honestly breaks every precedent in the book and as much as he's capable, he needs to cut that shit out. If he tries to fly too high by himself, his wings of wax will burn and he'll plummet.
>>16475691>>16475696The Trump Administration doesn't take power until Inauguration Day on January 20th, and has no actual political power until then. If it somehow actually got to that point, Elon wouldn't be acting anything until then.
>>16474879you could die tomorrow
>>16475681Tesla doesn't have annual model releases or refreshes like other OEMs, because they continuously iterate on the vehicles. The only time major architecture changes occur is when they do half-decade model refreshes. Model 3 came out in 2018, they refreshed it in 2023. Model Y came out in 2019, they are refreshing it next year. Model X doesn't really get refreshes, but it does get improvements made from lessons learned from the Model 3 and Y lines. Model S is basically a skunkworks project in Tesla. Their top talent all works on it, and the all basically use that platform and architecture to push the physical limit and the bleeding edge of tech to try out all kindsa batshit ideas. Some work, others don't. What works is sold to customers, and then those ideas are trickled down into the Model 3 and Y lines for mass market production/optimization. The Model 3 motor for example, is the mass production version of the Model S motor and the Model Y motor is the same motor. Fun fact, the electric motors that control the gridfins on the super heavy booster and the flaps on the Starship, are Model 3 motors.
>>16475698he's been present for high profile callsz ukraine discussion, and now met with iranian officials. and with the president of argentina. this seems a little more than just DOGE. US goveenment is becoming his new X
>>16474780it's sad performance art
>>16475691more like a chief of staff during the transition period as they usually are the ones who have their hand on the political pulse. for whatever trump wants elon around for that >>16475702oh wait you're some kind of retard so nvm. dutch maybe?
>>16475448How would they qualify as a monopoly when all the other players just suck so bad that no one wants to use them (and it's not the fault of spacex), or in some cases no one else is even trying to do the things that they're doing
>>16475704he's secretary of trump actually. trump's butler. what a chump
>>16475696Fuck off and go concern troll somewhere else
spaceflight?
>>16475732would you settle for rocket girls?
>>16475737if spacex catches starship first try i will do a cum tribute on my starship torch and face reveal
>>16475696>Muh wax wings>t. person who hasn’t even been to orbit.
>>16475655>>16475658Elon should ask to be made the DARPA director.
>>16475753He will be Secretary on UFOS/USOS
>>16475655Felonious Moskal Husk needs to learn to respect peoples boundaries.
why isnt HLS vac engines only? You could fit 7 of them right?
Weather still looking good, a bit windy maybe.
>>16474780We don't fucking know. Bezos' paranoia means we have no fucking idea what capabilities it has. 45 tonnes to LEO when discarding second stage? Wow, that's a whopping 10% improvement over Falcon Heavy.Apparently it's going to cost less to launch than a Falcon 9. I hear you can collapse the whole thing down and carry it around in your pocket.
>>16475520He is literally the bear hunter
>>16475737she looks a little uggo, but that plane is well drawn, very sexy
>>16475764The bottom of the LOX tank is domed, you can't fit an rvac in the center. There's no justification for having 6 rvacs either, the thrust isn't necessary. 3 sea level raptors are overkill too, it's just you wouldn't want to all lose all thrust vectoring if your only one failed.In the ballpark of masses we expect from HLS the 3 or so extra seconds of Isp you get from 3 extra rvacs aren't worth it, assuming 3 sea level raptors are firing at 40% thrust the entire time. It nets a loss in performance from the dry mass gain.
>>16475593That bear is very clearly Chinese.
>>16475764Would there be room for gimbaling?
after this flight its on to V2 starship, with orbital to come. next year is going to be so fucking hype bros
>>16475764>a hydrolox raptorI wonder what would have to change aside from the nameThe expansion ratio would be different, the stochiometry would be off, etc
>>16475702Musk was merting with heads of state like milei before getting involved in politics explicitly
https://x.com/boringcompany/status/1857317713548333448/photo/1
>>16475764Vacuum vs sealevel nozzle is not a big deal, they fly Falcon 9 second stage with a short nozzle if they don't need full thrust.
What if...
>>16475842He would never
>>16475842Also I cant tell is this Nelson or Trump
>>16475692shit happens
>>16475854Poopsie
>>16475821Fits inside StarshipNo ground prep required
>>16475352>Trump is restructuring CIAlmfao
>>16475570>bottom gear>not max Q
>>16475499>how the fuck are they suppsoed to get ships to australia jackass?
>>16475871Come on man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGK30ffXxvk>Starship Flight 6 Approaches: Timeline, Tests & The Road Ahead!
wew
>>16475593>>16475791Russki bear save money buying space suit from Aliexpress.
>>16475790Not what you were talking about but this triggered me. My autism cant get over the fact that Starship combines sea level and vacuum engines firing at the same time. It should be one type of engine per stage, as God intended.
I hate that there are some non white people who are into starship. Like, just be into basket ball or something, sweaty.
>>16475976There is over a billion chinese people into starship.
Did we just witness the greatest regulatory capture in US history?
>only 4 starship launches this year>would've been 3 if the FAA had their wayspacex has alot of catching up to do
>>16475985The rest of the world has some catching up to doThe Chinese are just now testing their first hoppers, that's where SpaceX was 12 years ago
How exactly do you use a satellite constellation network to rig a election?
>>16475979no, he is going to cut the regulationnot capture itanybody can compete, the fact that Musk can outcompete everyone doesn't make it regulatory capture
>>16475992lmfao
>>16475670>Being honest with the reality the situation rather than coping and seething or hiding about corpospeak Honestly? Sorta refreshing.
>In the United States, Office of Inspector General (OIG) is a generic term for the oversight division of a federal or state agency aimed at preventing inefficient or unlawful operations within their parent agency. Such offices are attached to many federal executive departments, independent federal agencies, as well as state and local governments. Each office includes an inspector general (or IG) and employees charged with identifying, auditing, and investigating fraud, waste, abuse, embezzlement and mismanagement of any kind within the executive department. Does Elon even know about this? It's like everyone forgot we already have an office responsible for government efficiency. You just need to give it more power.
>>16476011He wants to be like Milei. Afuera!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJFqjiB0GW0
Good morning starships!
>Impulse Space buys three Falcon 9 launches >WASHINGTON — Impulse Space has purchased three Falcon 9 launches for its Helios transfer vehicle for missions starting in 2026, including one for the Space Force.>Impulse Space announced Nov. 14 that it signed a contract with SpaceX for the Falcon 9 launches. Each launch will carry the company’s Helios transfer vehicle, a high-energy kick stage the company introduced in January to transport payloads quickly between orbits. >The first launch, planned for mid-2026, will be the first flight of Helios. The transfer vehicle will transport the company’s smaller Mira vehicle, carrying a commercial optical payload, from low Earth orbit to geostationary transfer orbit on the Victus Surgo mission for the Space Force and Defense Innovation Unit. Impulse Space received a $34.5 million contract for Victus Surgo and another mission, Victus Salo, Oct. 3. Impulse Space said the schedule and payloads for the other two Helios launches will be determined later. >“Securing these launches allows us to showcase the full potential of Helios,” Eric Romo, president and chief operating officer of Impulse Space, said in a company statement. “Delivering spacecraft to high energy orbits rapidly and economically changes the equation for commercial communication operators and national security missions like Victus Surgo.”>Helios is powered by a liquid-oxygen, liquid-methane engine called Deneb that produces 15,000 pounds-force of thrust. Impulse Space separately unveiled a developmental version of Deneb Nov. 14, claiming that the engine is “one of the highest-performing liquid oxygen/liquid methane engines” developed. The company said tests of Deneb will begin soon.https://spacenews.com/impulse-space-buys-three-falcon-9-launches/
>>16476016I can't help but notice that most of those right-wing politicians are often frauds.
>>16476011It doesn't spell DOGE so Elon wanted his own.
>>16476056So it's just a shitcoin grift?
UHM... SpaceXisterss.... How do we Respond without sounding hella MAD? He got us with this one.
>>16476011Everyone with 100+ IQ knew that DOGE was just a sandbox for Elon + Vivek to play around in while real politicians got to work.
>>16476069>31 views>Literally who's in a slap fight on twitterWhy are you sharing this with us.
>>16476073Elon will have egg on his face when this admin is busienss as usual. he promised so much.
>>16476074Bottom one is a better source on spaceflight developments than Eric Berger.
>>16476074There are a lot of people here who derive their worth from shitting on sub 90 IQ people.
>>16476073>autist gets fooled by evil policiansSad to see
>>16476073It's a way for him to waste a lot of time
>>16476025kino
Hey you retards and faggots, what's happening with spaceflight this morning
>>16476095Only Long March-7 Y9 • Tianzhou-8 in one hour or so.
>>16476069Yeah now he’s just completely making stuff up. Claiming HLS as the main bottleneck for Artemis is a great litmus test for low IQ.Pathetic, really!
>>16476095another Starlink probably idk
>>16476080Mad?
>>16476069This is a really gay post format.
>>16476081>"I don't start fights but I finish them"If he gets cockblocked...is he going to go nuclear?
>>16476095See >>16476045
>>16476109Trump has all the power. He is president and could bankrupt Musk tomorrow.
>>16475076They could spend tens of billions making something else that's even more useless out of it and call it Sunk Cost Station.
>>16476109he'll go solar
>>16476109He'll fold, like a good servant. Last time he got too cocky, he had to undergo a whole humiliation ritual.
>>16476078Reminder that spaceguy5 thought bergers scoop about starliner was just deliberate nasa disinfo to weed out leakers.
>>16476109He'll drop to his knees like last time
>>16476120it was. Patriots are in control.
>inb4 spacex goes sideways because elon is too busy playing in his sandbox
>>16476125>starliner didn't actually return without crewWho was in it when it landed then?
>>16476128the ghost of ISS
>>16476128they gave the crew treat by leaving them on the station.
>>16476125>Patriots are in control.Where? Because you're definitely not talking about America.
>>16476094I take a long look at a fully stacked starship with objects for scale nearby and can't help but it's just not that big
>>16476094that poor bird
>>16476147elon fellators will seethe, but he's rightshould have built a 27m starship instead this pencil rocket is just too tiny to be of any use
>>16476152try 64m, Zubrin
>>16476152why did they not change back to 12m when they decided to switch to stainless steel??
>>16476158>he's still measuring his rockets in metersquitter attitude
>>16476149Its not like the birds cant hear the propellant farm kick into high gear, the ultra-loud venting from the subcoolers and other equipment.Birds have wings for a reason, they can fucking leave if something starts happening.It takes hours to fill this fucking thing, if they want to stay in the blasted zone, no tears shed, thats just a dumb animal.
Joos in spess when?
>>16475985>would've been 3 if the FAA had their waynah, if it had been a late november Flight 5 they would have replaced tiles on S31, static fired B13 before it, and Flight 5->6 would have had a slightly shorter turnaroudn, a month max, would have been tight but feasible to fit in december.
>>16476167https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyoWe're Jews out in spaceWe're zooming alongprotecting the Hebrew raceWe're Jews out in spaceIf trouble appearswe put it right back in its placeWhen goyim attack usWe give 'em a smackwe'll slap them right back in the faceWe're Jews out in spaceWe're zooming alongprotecting the Hebrew race
>>16476159Retardation.Elon was probably demon mode and demanded they build it asap no matter the diameter. Not switching up was a HUGE mistake, likely the biggest of the whole program. Realistically they should have gone at least 18m because it plays bigly into the strengths of stainless. Stainless is easy to build with but much lower performance than carbon composite, so there is no reason for the vehicle to not be COLOSSAL when made of stainless. Not to mention that HLS starship is doomed dueto insanely low tolerance to uneven landing ground, thanks to the pencil shape.
>>16476011they aren't doing their job or have no actual authority to do anything about the fraud and waste they seeOIG keeps writing reports about how incompetent Boeing is with respect to SLS, how retarded the tower building is for SLS and the problems with Orionover and over and over again they keep doing these reportsnothing ever happens
>>16476167*ahem*
If Starship was giga wide, just how many engines would it have? It already has 33 with the current diameter
>>1647617933, you just make them really big.
>>16476045this kills the Vulcan high energy cope
>>16476069lmao I can't wait to see what kind of meltdown he has when SLS is actually cancelled
>>16476179no need to add more if its short and wide
>>16476179ITS config at 12m
>>16476073nowhen will you retards learn?dont bet against Elon Musk
>>1647617918m starship would have ~130
>>16476189>27 meter Starship with 200 enginesdas it mane
>>16476179shorter and wider starship would weigh slightly less, less skin for the same volume
>>16476188Anon... This is the logo. You might as well go out and buy bingus token.
>>16476192fucking imagine
>>16476194>unpaid job that you can only get if you have blue checkmark on twitteramazing
>>1647619227m starship would have ~300
>>16476174I mean, what's the difficulty if they decided to switch back now? is stage zero really that hard to build? or is it because the foundation of a new launch tower will take too long to cure? they already have all the knowledge, they just have to scale it up.>inb4 it's not that easy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05i6GeUVAOQTianzhou 8 in 10 minutes
>>16476109cockblocked by whom? House? the obstructionists will have a Musk backed candidate running against them in their districtsSenate? probably depends on when the senators term is ending, some of them will have 6 fresh years now so perhaps Musk has already lost interest at that point if SpaceX and his other companies aren't getting fucked with at that point, but for the senators with 2 years to go before re-election, this backing of a rival candidate might happenTrump? probably not go against him too explicitly but try to get a better aligned candidate running, but Trump going against Musk at this point really seems like a leftist power fantasy, its wishcastingunlikely to happen, of course there are probably going to be some compromises but "cockblocked" implies getting stonewalled or something
>>16476126like SpaceX went sideways when Musk bought twitter? lol
>>16476200chinese rockets all look the same to me. i dont like their slitty little engines either.
>>16476199scale it up after it actually works
>>16476194>You might as well go out and buy bingus token.I don't keep money on the computers.
>>16476204>obstructionists will have a Musk backed candidate running against them in their districts>Musk realized Soros did all that with 40x less money than he hasI'm about to get tired of winning.
>>16476199They might have knowledge but not time
>>16476174you just don't understand priorization and iterative developmentits easier to use the smaller 9 diameter vehicle as a development platform even if the ultimate goal is to have a bigger vehiclewhen it works and a larger diameter seems necessary, then they just make a larger vehicle (and the necessary infrastructure)its that fucking easymeanwhile they can keep using the actually working 9m diameter rocket
>90m starship would have ~3300 engines
>>16476174fuck off doomer
>>16476199They have to redesign and rebuild everything. Switching diameter is hard and would take at least a year.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420521555529942
>>16476200>cargo>4 boosters Are they launching a module?
>>16476192imagine the beetles
>>16476218>>16476223>Just rebuild everything from scratch bro>It's that easy broThe reason they stickwith9m is sunk cost, and thecost gets sunk more and more the longer they go.
>>16476232Nah, just cargo ressuply, CZ-7 always has 4 2.25m diameter boosters
>>16476200>tfw you'll never be part of a space station watch partywhy even live
>>16476235it is, it would just have been retarded to do some huge one firsteven with this 9m one you lose 33 engines per booster, that might have actually been one of the main reasons to keep it at this size at least initiallythe bigger the vehicle is, the more difficult everything becomesmore engines, might have to widen the roads, takes longer to build, makes more noise so enviromentalists cry more and on and onthis might be close to the MVP for a fully reusable vehicle with some appreciable mass to get things going
>>16476235It's probably because even at 9m it will be excellent at launching starlinks
>>16476200I like how Russians and Chinese keep yapping as if the power of their voice keeps the rocket going.
>>16476209Won't blame you, it's an acquired taste
>>16476194how is that relevant in any way?SpaceX just added a carboon banana to the boostersillyness and effectiveness are uncorrelated
>>16475608aNOTHER bANKRUPT lAUNCHER
>>16476227so not really that hard at alla year is nothing for a rocket program and they can do that parallel to actually launching stuff with the 9m starshipand again 9m is fine too, this whining is retarded
>>16476244Silly on a massive rocket that actually is cool? Fine.Silly on an advisory board that is clearly just for show and to placate the masses? Cringe.
>>16476247I'm glad we have (you) to tell us which is which
>>16476219we need to go biggerwe have the technology
>>16476247you are retarded
>>16476249No problem anon, I know retards have a tough time with it.
>>16476246>9m is fine too>this is fine
>>16476250We need to go nigger?
>>16476253its still massive compared to anything right now and if they actually make it reusable, it will be much cheaper than anything right now, even F9so yes its finewhat matters is the cost of mass to orbit, not some aestethic sense you have
>>16476240>makes more noise so enviromentalists cry moreeven sane people would get pissed at the sound levels a 18m+ launcher would produce at a high flight cadence
Succesful launch and solar panel deployment.
>>16476257>having almost the same payload volume as new glenn fairing is fine
like think about the criticism here? the fully reusable rocket "only" has a cargo bay the size of 9m diameter x 10m height, can't fit anything useful into that noand its going to take a WHOLE FUCKING YEARholy shit a fucking year, to build the necessary infrastructure for a fatter rocketcome on man
>>16476263new glenn is pretty big too.
>>16476263yes, fully reusable MVP vehicleits more than fine, its going to be so much better than anything out thereare there any payloads that are volume limited now?
USCRPL white paper on their aftershock 2 sounding rocket that went to space last month
>>16476260then those sane people should movethe US is a big place
>>16476265AT LEAST a year, probably 3. How would theylaunch from 39-A while rebuilding the tower and pad etc.
https://x.com/stocktalkweekly/status/1857406944316649617xAI also had a funding round at 45bil valuation
>>16476273oh no a year, oh the humanity
>>16476267Sure, but it's just going to be a starlink vehicle and the meme about the big payloads is just going to be a dream.
>>16476250A superheavy booster twice as wide as it is tall would be 8235 engines
https://x.com/jhall/status/1857405352972558342tends to talk about SpaceX a bit too
>>16476276what big, monolithic payloads?
>>16475791你才是熊!你全家都是熊!
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1857442655644631065huh, I'm really surprised they get repeat customers but maybe if they do it was worth building another vehicle.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857412471364911406
>>16476276>>16476273>>16476265-What are the foreseeable future payload requirements? -What are the max sizes of things desired to be starshipped over the next 7-10 years? -How large of a payload cabin is required to achieve that?How feasible is that scaling with how many engines required? -Does the math say shapes and proportions will check out?
>>16476284retarded larp
Europe is so cool bros.Do you think we'll find signs of intelligent life there?
>>16476011You might have noticed that they accomplished fucking nothing.
>>16476289No one is going to be making big payloads if there's no vehicle to carry it
>>16476292You might have noticed that they accomplished fucking nothing.
>>16476290Yeah they should implement your commie bullshit instead
>>16476299They should focus on getting propellant transfer done lmao
>>16476289>No one is going to be making big payloads if there's no vehicle to carry it>>16476297If there is a sincere desire to build on the Moon, and Mars, Oh I geuss the other thing is it doesn't matter if you make the payload chamber that much bigger, if you can launch 500 ships one after the other:But it is still true, limited size limits the size of payload, but is there any advantage or case where you would want extremely large payload, instead of modules? Large structures and tanks that currently do not fit in payload, that would be better than welding in space or on surface
>>16476278do you even realize how long it would take to fuck each of those engines?we're gonna need all anons from /sfg/, maybe even all of /sci/ to pitch in for this one
>>16476283maybe its more fun than it looks
>>16476274i thought spacex was already at $250 billion valuation, but either way, to the moon! literally.
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century:Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others;Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected;Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it;Refusing to set aside trivial preferences;Neglecting development and refinement of the mind;Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do.Marcus Tullius CiceroFor there is but one essential justice which cements society, and one law which establishes this justice. This law is right reason, which is the true rule of all commandments and prohibitions. Whoever neglects this law, whether written or unwritten, is necessarily unjust and wicked.Marcus Tullius Cicero, The authority of those who teach is often an obstacle to those who want to learn.Marcus Tullius CiceroWhat is morally wrong can never be advantageous, even when it enables you to make some gain that you believe to be to your advantage. The mere act of believing that some wrongful course of action constitutes an advantage is pernicious.Marcus Tullius Cicero
I want my 150t and 1000m^3 elon, where are they?
how many cubic football fields would 64m starhip host inside its payload bay?
AHHH I DONT WANT TO WAIT UNTIL MONDAY FOR LUNCH
>>16476324you can watch falcon on sunday
>>16476283People with more money than sense, or Jeff gave them cheap package deals to fill seats and cause hype.
Are any /sfg/ers going to be there on Monday?
>>16476284I'm sorry, but upon further review democracy and direct democracy are often not good and intelligent, especially not on a dangerous scape as mars, though if using such a slogan to entice universal support and hope I suppose that's one thing.Plato and Aristotle and some of those who came before them were right:The splintered, atomized, and less than perfectly ideal public cannot be given too much control over the whole:But this stands solely on the grounds of the rulers and leaders being virtuous and having the peoples best interests.If Elon and a small group of wise and knowledgeable elders and youth knew the ins and outs of all possible systems and benefits, of the fragile far from earth life sustaining systems: they would merely need to speak or PowerPoint to all the possible options, hear out and discuss any from the public that did not come to mind, and then cross benefit analysis. Rule and leadership depends on logic, reasonabilty, rationality, virtue, nobility, honor, integrity, love and respect of ones nation and the fellow citizens whom help make and share in its glory.We are all aware of the sometimes shadow in the back of the mind as school boys, who hear of Aristotles ethics and virtues, virtue signaling, ha, who needs it. What a fool to be virtuous, noble and honorable, what a sucker, to not rape and steal as long as noone is looking. What a pathetic loser it is to be good, when there is so much to gain by not. But if one grows up for some time, and looks around the world, they may develop a sense for the possible profundity of truth, of our fellow citizens who do embody such pure and noble qualities, the joys and goodnesses they pay and are paid in are multiplied throughout the kingdom, and are worthy. Mom but all my friends are doing it.Son, if all your friends were being unvirtous and unethical would you?
>>16476328I wonder how many of jeff's hops you can ride for the price of one inspiration 4 or fram 2
>>16476329Nah its basically same profile as flight 5 Im just gonna watch online.
>>16476332No idea, but why would you go on Jeff's carnival ride if you could choose?
>>16476334yes but only if we're doing hard science with tangible practical benefits. suborbital sightseeing is a nonstarter.
>>16476244>>16476247Silliness is a feature. Every single Trump proposal is so ridiculous that no one believes it will happen until reality is hitting them over the head with a sledgehammer. Making it ridiculous allows people to cope that it's not really happening, which gives them zero opportunity to react.Speed and audacity work well together here.
>/sfg/ filling with communist nonsense again
>>16476334>go on Jeff's carnival ride if you could choose?I mean, despite the memes, I'm sure EVERYONE here would say yes to that.
>https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/11/citing-decreasing-launch-opportunities-abl-space-will-pivot-to-missile-defense/New Berger article
>>16476227>a yearWow, even a doomer like you admit that Spacex can retool and rebuild everyting for a gigantic new rocket in one year when it would take old space two decades to do the same!
>>16476327I can watch Falcon any day!
>>16476340If I could choose? Not a snowball's chance in hell. The choices being actually going to space or going straight up in a joke.
>>16476292Only in archaeological evidence
>>16476337Just like the wall right?
>>16476334>4 days in a dragon capsule$45 million + weeks of intense contingency trainingvs>10 minutes of cool views and a little bet of weightlessness>several luxury vacations around the world>a brand new yacht$40 million
>>16476313What are they going to do about it, cut off my head? - Cicero
>>16476340I wouldn't
>>16476362>>16476350Take it elsewhere you huge gay babies.
>>16476362And do nothing. Yeah that's my point.
>>16476293Read my last sentence again.
Next hop when?
>>164763822 weeks - 11 days
>>16476292>intelligent lifewhy do you retards always jump straight to intelligence. we'll be extremely, once in a species lucky to even find fossil bacteria. current bacteria is even more remote.
>>16476045Helios just makes Falcon 9 even more dominant, shame that it wasn't available for Europa Clipper.
>>16476382>>16476386I thought it was on the 18th
>>16476292It will be geologically completely identical to Earth's oceans down to the hydrothermal vents, but completely sterile.
>>16476078SG5 uses his job at Marshall to give credibility to his asnine lies.My personal favorite of his was trying to claim the 9 engine Ship was a result of Flight 1 even though Elon had been publicly talking about it more than a year before.
>>16476398SG5? Aren't they currently deployed to P3C-117?
>Shotwell: "We just passed 400 launches on Falcon and I would not be surprised if we fly 400 Starship launches in the next four years.">The 1000 launches a year by 2028 comment by musk wasn't an actual goalngmi
>>16476418>100 starship launches a year starting next yearyeah right
>>16476292You can barely find intelligent life on Earth these days
>>16475352>CIA can't get to Elon directly so they kill his son>public and mass execution of entire CIA ensuesOne can dream
>>16476292imagine how tasty those alien squids must be
>>16476435>exponentially increasing cadenceYeah maybe in fantasy land
>>16476435Nah, more like25 in 2025, once a week in 2026 (basically needed for their plans), then 100 in 2027; 200 in 2028, adds up to about 400...Peak F9 yearly launch rate will likely be around 300; imo Starship reaches peak F9 launch rate in 2029-2030; Starship will be cheaper than F9 (cost is largely cadence) by the start of the next decade.
>>16476444that is exponential jackass. nobody mentioned the exponent was big...
Tell a spaceflight related joke
>>16476449ahh yes, [math]*10^0[/math], my favorite order of magnitude
>>16476445Once starship is operational however, I would expect F9 to drop drastically.The V2 minis on F9 are a stopgap and aren't good enough.
>>16476450
>>16476455
>>16476449Starship is designed ground up to be reusable, and returns to the launch site. No barge, not much refurbishment. With every starlink launch printing money, we'll see Starship go exponential way faster than F9
>>164764542025 will still be occupied with a lot of HLS testing and 2026 by a LOT of tanker launches for HLS (at least the demo) and the mars mission.2027 will be the "first" calm year where SX will be able to fully use Starship for Starlink.
>>16476389He's asking about Europe. It even has multicellular life.
>>16476450Astra
>>16476269>Used custom GPS reciever to launch a missileI'm honestly surprised this is legal
>>16476459Falcon 9 was designed to be reusable too. To the best of their ability and knowledge then.
>>16476470no it wasnt
>>16476461Despite the HLS activity. Starlink is still priority one, always has been. Every fieldable starship outside of 26 was designed as a starlink launcher.They haven't even started working on a tanker variant or docking/prop transfer hardware.
>>16476471It's infuriating that 95% of people into SpaceX now are newfags. How do you not know it was designed to be fully reusable?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWFFiubtC3c&t
>>16476450It only takes 3 hours for Tianzhou to reach Tiangong, you wouldn't exactly call that a Long March
>>16476475>Muse - UprisingLove it, what a good video, basically an AMV lmao
>>16476465ugh evropa...
>>16475702https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1856189236581736603the owner has spoken
>>16476465fun fact: in my native language, Spanish, both the continent and the Jovian Moon are translated as "Europa", so they are the same word. I suppose it's the same for many other languages.
>>16476472>They haven't even started working on a tanker variant or docking/prop transfer hardware.pure cope.we WILL see visible docking and prop transfer hardware being ground tested within 4-5 months and on pad or in flight in a bit over 6 months.
>>16476475It was designed to start actually launching things so they could start making money. It was iterated to be reusable. For God's sake they stuck parachutes on the booster once
>>16476472>They haven't even started working on the variant with no tiles, header tanks, or doorsYeah removing all that stuff is going to be really difficult
>>16476490>prop transfer being tested on pad in a bit over 6 monthsStarship sex at Boca?
>>16476475I was under the impression reusability was something they added later, but apparently it was supposed to be fully reusable from the start https://web.archive.org/web/20080815163222/http://www.spacex.com/press.php?page=18and I do remember that video, I was still under the impression that reusability was something they tacked on ad hoc but with the main thing making the vehicle itself cheap to build
>>16476498Kek I forgot SpaceX made them change the EELV acronym
>>16476486i thought he was the president
https://x.com/JMilei/status/1857388019726094624
>>16476389I think theres a substantial possibility that theres currently complex multi-cellular life on europa. Also think theres a good chance it once existed on mars.
>>16476475>concept video
Now that Elon is President, can't he just tell the FAA to stop enforcing the laws? We might go to Mars in a few months
>>16476488Europa vs Eurooppa in my language, it's also nice that Uranus is just a name and not a butt joke.
>>16476514ese es mi presidente, vamos milei
Why don't we just push Ceres into orbit around Mars so it can have a proper moon? What would the scientific implications of this be?
>>164765202 weeks actually
>>16476522When will Finland into space?
>>16476526We couldn’t do it even if we wanted to
>>16476529I bet we could, and I do want to.
>>16476526ceres doesn't really need mars to be its moon.
>>16476528never
>>16476514We're finally getting the Atlantic Breakaway Space State we need.>Trump>Milei>Bolsonaro>Bukele>Polievre >KSC>Wallops>Maine>Duluth>Starbase>Vandenburg>Kodiak>Kwajelein>Alcantara
>>16476522based finnanon.>Uranus is just a name and not a butt joke.Same here. They might as well change the English name, it's ruined already. Also, I get to say the kino names "Sol" and "Luna" without sounding pretentious lol
>>16476292In the past there lived the greatest minds on Europa. Alas, all good things must come to an end.
>>16476533Why not? Why can't it be Mars' moon? It would make both of them more interesting. We should push it in the exact position so it causes total solar eclipses, like Luna from Terra.
>>16476459we may see exponential exponentialzation
>>16476529There's a bunch of water. I bet you could build a factory that turns water ice into fuel and then fires it. How long would you need to fire a couple hundred raptors before it slowed enough to eventually reach Mars? A decade? >>16476526What do you need a moon for? If you can get it that close just slam them together. Solves a whole bunch of problems
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1857479018230198299
>>16476556how long would it take mars to stop being an uninhabitable lava ball after we smacked ceres into it?
>>16476538It should have been Caelus
>>16476556The energy required to move something even as small as ceres is well outside of our capabilities anon, come on>my gut feeling says we can do itYeah well the math says otherwise
>>16476545back of the napkin calculation shows Ceres would have to be ~160,000 km from Mars to be the same size as the sun from its surface. about 2.5x closer than the moon is to Earth so its not an unrealistic distance. about 24 mars diameters.the energy needed to move something that massive would be next to impossible though.
>>16476563Your math is wrong then.
>>16476528https://www.iceye.com
>>16476445>25 in 2025lol
>>16476558>says starlink will be profitable this yearso the claims of it being profitable before were bogus?
>>16476558>make some money on StarlinkDoes she mean cash flow positive or actual breakeven?
>>16476569>A Finnish company operates the world's largest SAR constellationI wasn't aware of this, proud of you Finnanons
>>16476574Yes, 25 in 2025.
>>16476574it already flies once every month. twice a month next year is not unreasonable.
Terra and Luna when?
>>16476577Probably was in one quarter and then not in the next, etc
>>16476577she says there were quarters it was profitableI guess it depends what type of profitability you look at, how is the depreciation of the satellite constellation taken into account for instance, was it gross profitability or after everything (including taxes)
>>16476562I annoy people I know in real life by ranting about this.same with the moon being a planet
>>16476579>A Finnish company operates the world's largest SAR constellationUntil SpaceX decides to slap it on some of their Starlinks.
>>16476579>SAR
SH V2 when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ4UHTf4p74>SpaceX Caught a Rocket With ‘Chopsticks.’ What Will Musk Try Next? | WSJ
reminder starship even at its maximum size is the size of a large shuttle in scifi. we've got a long way to go before we get actual "starships", which are usually measured in kilometers in length.
>>16476640That means that two starships together are sci-fi territory?
>>16476640Something needs to be done about fuel taking up 90% of the space first.
>>16476654step 1: get a lot of nukes
>>16476654Fuck Tsiolkovsky for inventing the rocket equation
I wish something would happen, its Friday and I'm bored
Let's say a test habitat is made on the moon: how is consistently fresh water made available? Easy(?) answer is continual shipment of fresh water tanks I geuss. But you don't want to be on the moon oops very low on water hope that shipment gets here soon
>>16476654Even an interstellar vehicle that uses antimatter would be 90% fuel if you want to get where you're going at any reasonable speed>>16476656This would still be mostly fuel
>>16476659ISS water recycler is like 98% efficient. Drop a Starship with a few tons of water and a base of 1000 people is fine for years. You can even store extra outside
>>16476587>same with the moon being a planetnever stop your righteous monomania based anon
>>16476660>Even an interstellar vehicle that uses antimatter would be 90% fuel if you want to get where you're going at any reasonable speedinterstellar fuel depots
>>16476660>This would still be mostly fuelretard. You use the nukes to take control of the world and make everyone focus on inventing new techturn the sun into a wormhole and you can go anywhere with 0 fuel
>>16476660>Even an interstellar vehicle that uses antimatter would be 90% fuel if you want to get where you're going at any reasonable speedJim wouldn't lie to us!
>>16476560Took Earth multiple millions of years after Theia
>>16476558https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1857475287178510615
>>16476659You'd build the first base somewhere on the poles where you can mine ice.>>16476640gib 2500m Kugelraumer>>16476654First steps are RDEs for atmospheric operations and nuclear drives for space operations.
>>16476687>Theiafake news
>>16476558>>16476689How old is she now?
>>16476517>think theres a substantial possibility that theres currently complex multi-cellular life on europaHow could that be verified. If several submersibles are sent how would the information be gotten back?
>>16476689so i suppose this is her replying to the retards that think contracts=subsidieshttps://old.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/1gqf1s8/watch_me_gamify_your_tax_dollars/
>>16476685The ISV is mostly a propulsion system. The solar sail on the end is for the trip out from Earth and the radiators are part of the engine. The balls store the antimatter. The payload is the little thing just before the big mirror.
>>16476702You need to go back.
Tropical storm heading for boca chicaLaunchbros...
Hey guys, bend over!
>>16476724oh god
>>16476724hehe benis :-DDDD
>>16476719It's barely clear of Yucatan on Monday. Sounds like bullshit.
>>16476724>walk even slightly behind her and she'll bat you into the wall whenever she turns a corner
>>16476724>didn't draw it coming out from her crotchkys
>>16476587>The moon is a planet>Annoy people irlWe could tell anon
>>16476724At least Europe did something of value this weekI cant think of anything else
>>16476705Humans in the Avatar universe have some sort of megastructure around the sun. They use it to produce the antimatter for the ships. The acceleration away from Earth is done by stellaser. The antimatter decelerates them in Alpha Centauri, then accelerates them away, then the stellaser decelerates them around Sol again. Current timeline they're building a similar megastructure around Alpha Centauri, so they'll have a stellaser there too. This means propellantless ISVs. Seems like a realistic infrastructure for a multistellar civilization
we wiggle
>>16476724Is...is Europa Clipper a b-boy?
>>16476737everything in the sky is a planethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_planets
>>16476745oh no no, IAUbros...>Some planetary scientists reject the 2006 definition of planet, and thus would still consider some of the objects on this list to be planets under a geophysical definition.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geophysical_definition_of_planet>Another widely accepted geophysical definition of a planet includes that which was put forth by planetary scientists Alan Stern and Harold Levison in 2002. The pair proposed the following rules to determine whether an object in space satisfies the definition for a planetary body>A planetary body is defined as any body in space that satisfies the following criteria:>Be low enough in mass that at no time (past or present) can it generate energy in its interior due to any self-sustaining nuclear fusion chain reaction>Be large enough that its shape becomes determined primarily by gravity rather than mechanical strength or other factors, so that the body would reach a state of hydrostatic equilibrium.
>>16476689https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1857473765279457565
>>16476754>we never do it on time, we're very sorry about thatlol
>>16476760well at least they do it, the same can't be said for many other companies
>>16476760Cost plus contractors have even less reasons for delivering on time. They get paid to sit with their thumbs up their arse anyways.
>>16476752That definition just makes way more sense. Holy fuck I'm mad. Upset! ANGRY!!
>>16476705NTA but made me think about how cool the design is. Apart from unobtanium, Avatar had a much richer and more developed scifi human future than Interstellar. The landing shuttle in Interstellar is so stupid, it's like 90% interior and 10% fuel and engines, yet it clearly gets thousands of m/s of delta v from magic. Not to mention the worm hole and time tesseract in the black hole are straight goofy, way goofier than unobtanium.
Why won't they show their HLS interior designs?
>>16476772Probably because they're still in flux.
>>16476754>we never do it on timewhat was even the point in saying this?
>>16476772I don't know
>>16476761>>16476763>>16476775Why are you offended?
>>16476775It acknowledges that they run late, and that this doesn't stop them from fulfilling their contracts and managing to make a buck while doing so. Most contractors bid on the expectation of everything going perfectly, and the second there's any kind of schedule slip, oopsy, the project now costs 20% more for every year of delay.
>>16476780Why are you so autistic you think any of that was offended?
>>16476705that antimatter must be pretty fucking dense for that to work and that lightsail is laughably small >>16476739>Humans in the Avatar universe have some sort of megastructure around the sun. They use it to produce the antimatter for the ships. The acceleration away from Earth is done by stellaser.that's why it's hilarious when all we see of Earth is le cyberpunk dystopia with human powered vehicles on the streets
>>16476781I know, but it's pointless to say it. Is there even one single instance of a space project/product being delivered on time? does such a thing even exist? That quote just looks bad on the company. Then people wonder why we have the term "elon time", while nobody mentions rogozin time, bruno time, lockheed time, etc. Same with the phrase "at spacex we specialize at converting the impossible to late", when spacex is the fastest by far in the industry.
>>16476654>Something needs to be done about fuel taking up 90% of the space firstIs that why side boosters became a thing
>>16476784>that antimatter must be pretty fucking dense for that to work and that lightsail is laughably smallThat's just the laser and whipple shield. The actual solar sail is on the other end of the ship, retracted in the boom between the main engines and radiators.>>16476788It is not pointless to say it: Gwynne is saying that being late doesn't automatically stop a project from being on budget.
>>16476784>human powered vehicles on the streets>flintstones is a cyberpunk dystopia
how can i tell if a starlink train is going to be overhead? i want to see one.
>>16476788>it's pointless to say itAre you actually braindead? She was talking about cost plus contracts and how if they take longer, it costs the customer more whereas when SpaceX takes longer with their fixed price contracts, it does not.
>>16476752>Be low enough in mass that at no time (past or present) can it generate energy in its interior due to any self-sustaining nuclear fusion chain reactionWhat a useless inclusion, it's a planet if it's not a star? Are there even any examples of a rocky body where this is happening? I'd assume a gas giant would just be consumed should a self-sustaing nuclear reaction happen.
>>16476795how can i tell if your dad is going to be a prostitute? i want to jizz on his face.
>>16476792>That's just the laser and whipple shield. The actual solar sail is on the other end of the shipNifty design
>>16476801awesome.
>>16476795https://findstarlink.com/
>>16476694>You'd build the first base somewhere on the poles where you can mine ice.I don't know anything about chemistry, is moon ice as edible as earth ice? Any radioactivity fears for long stays on the moon?
>>16476788>Is there even one single instance of a space project/product being delivered on time?>We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard
Which major world of the Solar System is your favourite?Also, would you consider any of the Uranian moons as a "major world"? They all seem unremarkable to me.
>>16476818>Which major world of the Solar System is your favourite?Earth. That's why the rest of the terrestrial worlds should aspire to be like Earth.
>>16476818can't go wrong with this beautiful woman
>>16476818>major worldanything that is spherical counts
>>16475448We will leave those euros behind again.
>>16476820Listen, Titan is trying its best.
>>16476822Wrong.
>>16476828why? elaborate
>>16476274https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/musks-spacex-preparing-launch-tender-offer-dec-135share-ft-reports-2024-11-15/
>>16476829I would say 2,000 km diameter is the lower limit.
>>16476011OIG is there to investigate inefficient or fraudulent programs that were agreed upon. DOGE apparently is looking for which of these programs don't need to exist. they do different things in concept.
Speaking of OIG, what came of this?
>>16476292I'm afraid that was wiped out a couple decades ago
>>16476793Avatar urf also has the super bright neon and holograms that are the cyberpunk sine qua non
>>16476700>think theres a substantial possibility that theres currently complex multi-cellular life on europa>How could that be verified. If several submersibles are sent how would the information be gotten back?"According to NASA, the liquid ocean beneath Europa's icy surface is estimated to be between 40 to 100 miles (60 to 150 kilometers) deep, with the ice shell itself being around 10 to 15 miles (15 to 25 kilometers) thick"Doesn't look like that's happening any time soon, unless there is some type of really strong pointy super sonic piercing dart missile, and if say 20 or so we're launched in a row with increasing width so like an un connected train of rock ice picks, the last one being a motorized drill and just to test how deep this technique could bore
>>16476801sail is still far too small wtf
>>16476833>2,000 kmcompletely arbitrary. You leave out worlds like Titania, Oberon, Rhea, Iapetus, Makemake, etc etc. If we are trying to set up a limit in km, then you might as well go down to 800km. There are only 34 confirmed celestial bodies, excluding the sun, with >400km radius anyways. There are many more known bodies with a smaller radius that are still spherical, like Dysnomia, Enceladus, or Miranda, but at this range you'll start encountering dozens, if not hundreds in the near future, of KBOs and objects from the Scattered Disk that are or could be spherical. And that's not even including the Oort Cloud itself.I'd say 40ish worlds is okay, compared to the 740,000 minor worlds in our solar systemhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets
>>16476810>is moon ice as edible as earth ice? Any radioactivity fears for long stays on the moon?should be perfectly drinkable and there's no radiological danger, no
>>16476849What about moon dust in muh ice
>>16476764>That definition just makes way more sense. Holy fuck I'm mad. Upset! ANGRY!!Tomato potato a rose by any other name, call them small planets that orbit larger ones or moons for short
>>16476578She seems to be the logical type, so she probably means that even with all the costs they got more money than they put in.
>>16476818planets orbit stars, moons orbit planetssimple as
>>16476846nah, heliocentric orbit and bigger than the smallest planet, the Moon, keeps things manageable
>>16476859you're close, actually the things that orbit planets are also called planets
>>16476860>the smallest planet, the Moonyou misspelled pluto, anon
>>16476854just vacuum distill it nigga, you'll be fine
>>16476862how do you mess up spelling ceres that bad?
>>16476405not the stargate team, the internet trolltotally different
>>16476866begone, belter, you are not welcome here
>>16476862>plutoIf we'd've had better telescopes it would have been classed as just the first Kuiper belt dwarf planet and all this shit would have been done and dusted by the 1940s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pgEMWy70Qk
>>16476871What the fuck are you linking?
>>16476873https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGghmm
39m telescope https://elt.eso.org/about/webcams/
>>16476877>ground based telescopegay
>>16476877This could be 100m in space
>>16476881Built by Chilean welders for €1B
>>16476877cool, I wonder how pain in the ass is building it there
>>16476877this thing is going to be useless in 10 years when other megaconstellations are up kek.
CASC-CALT has announced that they'll do "low altitude tests" of the Long March 10A in 2025, no more details, but it is largely interpreted as a VTVL test of the wire catch system. Maiden orbital launch is still planned for 2026.This will likely complement the ongoing high altitude VTVL test campaign by CASC-SAST for the development of the Long March 12A/B
>>16476877astronomers would rather build a 10km-long ground based telescope, and kill millions of beetles in the process, than to launch one single space telescope.
>>16476877>a little south of it
>>16476860>the smallest planet, the Moonbased and binary-planet-pilled
>>16476891astronomers are some of the most fervent space-is-hard-ers
go back
>>16476891 Space telescopes are too expensive and too complex
>>16476901this alignment chart is ass
>>16476901what does directly orbit mean? the earth orbits the moon
>>16476888Does CASC have a hopper yet?
>>16476887As I understand it we cannot do (computational) synthesized apertures for most of the spectrum yet, so big telescopes are still useful.
>>16476754https://x.com/wapodavenport/status/1857525588908531728https://spacenews.com/shotwell-predicts-starship-to-be-most-valuable-part-of-spacex/
>>16476821wait till you see her naked. yeah thats a yikes from me
>>16476907CASC SAST (Shanghai section) built two, one (largely unknown, we only have one picture) small one that made small hops in early 2023 , and a larger one (3.8m diameter, easily the size of a small launcher) that did a 12km altitude hop last june. They want to do a 75km altitude launch profile simulation with it before the end of the year.CASC CALT (Beijing section) doesn't have one yet.
>>16476911hot
>>16476910Only 400?
>>16476910>She predicted that Starship will rapidly eclipse the company’s existing Falcon family of rockets, which has launched more than 400 times. “I would not be surprised if we fly 400 Starship launches in the next four years,” she said. That will be in parallel with Falcon 9, but she suggested that vehicle could be retired, along with the Dragon spacecraft used for crew and cargo missions, in as little as six to eight years as customers move to Starship.
>>16476912Thanks for the info anonBetween all the CASC subdivisions and the private sector Chinese spaceflight is hard to keep track of
>>16476915Musk has more ambitious goals I think, this 400 number is due to F9 being launched 400 times
>>16476877Its not gay, its based. Literally>>16476893Yes Hitler retired in South America. I heard its a pretty cool place
400 launches in 4 years? lol they will run out of payloads long before that
>>16476923it takes 400 launches just to fill up one depot for HLS
>>16476901kek
>>16476923Over half of would be launches for refueling
>>16476923there are more starlinks than grains of sands in the universe
they're going to need to build a dozen launch towers to get to 400 launches in 4 years
>>16476925HLS will be cancelled, Orion will never take humans in the moon
>>16476923starlink isnt the only large constellation. oneweb, telesat, that new google project, the 3 or 4 military ones, the EU one...we may see alot of fucking satellites soon
>>16476930God its going to be so kino
>>16476923They're going to need a fuckton of launches just to drop enough material onto Mars.
>>16476934astroonomers seething
>>16476784The movie is not subtle that the company is evil. Civilizations able to field several interstellar vessels do not have an energy crisis>>16476772Because it's fucking embarrassing. Despite years to come up with something they couldn't figure out what to do with a Starship so it just has 40 foot ceilings
>>164769302 towers in Boca, 2 in Florida, that makes a launch per week per tower. easily doable.>Verification not required.
>>16476940>Civilizations able to field several interstellar vessels do not have an energy crisisI know and I've argued the point on /tv/ but they worship Jim, purveyor of giantess catwoman pussy there, so they won't listen
>>16476930>they're going to need to build a dozen launch towers to get to 400 launches in 4 yearsThey only need ~2 launches a week between the four towers that will be at Boca Chica and KSC.
>>16476940they are gonna put 2 or 4 people on the HLSComing from a tiny fucking capsuleWhat a joke
>>16476940Despite the effort to make them cartoonish villains the humans are the good guys.
it started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuxjvb-8VTc
>>16476940>>16476947>using the render that is explicitly labeled as not representative
>>16476788The Lunar Rover was designed, built, and delivered in something like 8 months. It was ahead of schedule and under budget.
>>16476951thats a man
>>16476951Wh's ths sexy señorita?
>>16476931>>16476930Will robots build chop stick tower on the moon, how will a safe landing be assured, sky scraper in little gravity on hard to be the most assured legs on assured footing, the idea of capsule landers or space plane does seem like something, any chance a starship lander could have thrusters on its belly, to flop descend smoothly
>>16476957chopsticks arent needed for the moon
>>16476951by a fucking ad
need a new video urgently
>>16476960NSF is literally the only channel you can justifiably say this about. No one posts estronaut here, so it's not worth mentioning, but too many post NSF slop.
>>16476965estronaut puts out a video once a month and its usually garbage
Why does /sfg/ slow down during euro nighttime?
>>16476967No one posts his streams or other content here is my point. thunderf00t is posted more frequently than he is. NSF doesn't need anyone posting their fucking shit here. They never have anything important worth posting about, and they don't even have the best angles.
>>16476967Don't lie, his facility walk-throughs are fun to watch
>>16476972wow, that's crazy!
>>16476970we compensate for our shit space industry by megaposting
>>16476970>anon finds out /sfg/ is filled with self-deprecating europeans
>>16476975Retard question. Why are those engine nozzles so red-hot?
>>16476558She started to talk like Elon.
>>16476881>space cringed telescopeseven gayer
>>16476972the facilities themselves are cool. estronaut himself is the worst person the tour could be given to.
>>16476835It was determined that any limnology would drive it over budget and so was cut
>>16476844It isn't just a solar sail, they fire a stellaser at it
>>16476986Everything about it was bad.The people themselves are just fake, gay, and unlikable.
>>16476986Can't say I agree, while he's cringe he asks decent questions and let them actually speak which is a rarity nowadays.
>>16476983They're near lots of fire
>>16476992>hey I just happened to be standing right here, this is the best place I ever worked>thank you Jeff Bezos, you're the greatest in the aerospace industry
>>16476724>>16476727>>16476731>>16476733>>16476736>>16476738>>16476742
>>16477000that was all real btw
>>16477002I thought that was cum on her back at first
https://redstate.com/wardclark/2024/11/14/biden-on-his-way-out-the-door-slams-energy-sector-with-methane-tax-n2181992Starship will be taxed by the Biden admin
>>16476891>https://findstarlink.com/they are simply selecting for the smartest beetles. get with the program or get extinct. its that simple
>>16477013Oh no!! Halt the programs immediately, I cant pay the minuscule fine, need the money for ketamine
>>16476935is this real?
>>16477023its was newfriend. It was.
>>16477025'twas but a jest, a call upon an ag'ed reference of old
OUR STARSHIPS WILL BLOT OUT THE SUNhttps://spacenews.com/shotwell-predicts-starship-to-be-most-valuable-part-of-spacex/
STAGING>>16477042>>16477042>>16477042>>16477042
>>16477043and also forgot
>>16476986You think Bezos would do a guided tour with someone who would grill him for using isogrid on the common dome?
>>16477002Fixed hand
>>16474717My back hurts just from imagining swimming a few laps in water that curves upwards the entire time. Alternatively I'm imagining choking trying to swim crawl stroke across water that curves upwards to the left and right of me.Keep your spinning meme stations, I'd rather dive through a fucking piss lock.
>>16476884imagine wasting billions of dollars on a stupid worthless telescope.
>>16477112A lot of investors just cant get over the idea of putting something up a rocket that can blow up vs building something on earth that cant blow up.
>>16476931I been sayin this for YEARS. Just put landing legs on Orion
>>16476651two starships together is dolphin sex
>>16476925>it takes 400 launches just to fill up one depot for HLSWhat the fuck….
>>16476849>ice>radioactivityWater ice only contains hydrogen and oxygen, the only way it can be radioactive is if contains tritium, or non-water impurities. And tritium doesn't stay in your body.
>>16476935look at all those future Starship launch pads
>>16476684>turn the sun into a wormholewhat
>>16476167God doesn't seem to want them there, look at Challenger and Columbia.
>>16475033>>16475028wait, they're planning a partially reusable superheavy lift vehicle now?
>>16474897>>16474901>>16475291>let's combine Falcon 9, Starship, and New GlennFeels like a gypsy scam rocket.
>>16475647just like elon was serious about getting trump elected, he is serious about mars colonization. its the only explanation for why he'd want so much production capacity.
>>16477425jewlover beats a jew? Curios scenario.
>>16477812I love my wife and i beat her all the time so whats your point.
>>16476253header tanks are cope
>>16476988Really?
>>16477812more jews voted for Kamala but more zionists are in the Trump cabinet
>>16477950Another epic victory for American patriots!
>>16477867Fluid dynamics would like to disagree.
