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https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1859378696735556032
>>16486985What the fuck is this tweet? Like did anyone there including the person who posted it watch the video? Elon answers immediately and doesn't turn to ask another engineer. Why would someone lie and just post the video proving its a lie with their lie?
Zubrin
>>16487746The left cant make up it's mind over musk being a bond villain or him being stupid but succesfull because of money from his fathers fictional diamond mine
>>16487748BlueAnon schizos are so lame compared to QAnon
>>16487748I remember people claiming thunderf00t is pro-trump and actually agrees with elon's politics but i guess they were lying about that too
Rocket Man Bad!
>>16487755>naziElon is a good goyim
4chan now supports mp4 btw
Would it even be possible to land something on Sedna and have it be functional? Let alone outer solar system bodies? Surely the input latency would be so massive that it would be impossible.
Why does it always come back to tesla stock with these people?
>>16487760Because Musk "skepticism" started with Tesla and stocktards, in this case shorters, are obsessed with him.
>>16487755always has been
What would it take for Bezos to give up on launchers and focus on space stations? Would he rather die without seeing his dream realized, than just using SpaceX to launch his hardware? I don't understand. If I was in his position I would've built Orbital Reef using Falcon 9 already. Does he care about space at all? Or does he care but his ego matters more?
>>16487768>Does he care about space at all?hahahaNo.
>>16487768the actions he takes, this seems to be about clout and ego more than the importance of the achievements themselvesyou can see it in the fact that he wasn't involved with BO until a year or two ago, i.e. he didn't really give a shit about it
>>16487738I wonder why some are less "lit up" than other
>>16487768>Would he rather die without seeing his dream realized, than just using SpaceX to launch his hardware?Yes. Reminder that the board of Kuiper got mad because he refused to launch on Falcon 9.
>>16487768>Or does he care but his ego matters more?It's not so much his ego as his own identity thats at stake here. It's been known for a while that bezos wanted to do this since childhood. He sees himself as the space guy. So when someone else actually becomes the thing he wants to be then it's a threat to his self-conception.
>>16487768>Or does he care but his ego matters more?His ego. Just look at that whole thing about the old saturn 5 rocket engines he had a crew pick up from the bottom of the ocean. That entire docu was one big circlejerk about how he is such a space visionary, but at the same time articles were leaking out that blue origin was in trouble because bezos put yes men in control of the company who only knew how to run warehouses and abuse their staff.
>>16487769>>16487771>>16487776>>16487778>>16487783Well, bummer. He definitely has more liquidity than Musk, I'd have to guess several times more considering their very different positions. His cash could've been a real help to SpaceX. Building his giant space stations between Mars windows would've been a cool way to keep up the cadence. I'm not nearly as optimistic about cylinders and asteroid mining as I am about Mars, but the sooner we get them figured out the sooner we can stick an Orion drive on the back. His work could've still been remembered by history
i dont know or understand any of the technical stuff behind spaceflight, but i love it anyway
>>16487786I stay for the cute anime rocket girls.
>>16487768All Bezos cares about is appealing to his own vanity, he’s put his midlife crisis on full display for the entire world and it’s pathetic. That webm of him blasting champagne at his horrifying demon bimbo wife while William Shatner sits solemnly after they’ve both experienced one of the most profound things a human can go through shows he doesn’t actually care about space and just wants to appear like a cool billionaire
>>16487786Try reddit then, tard
>>16487789Reddit is for the people who dont know what they are talking about but still feel a need to to do so. That anon at least is honest. Now fuck off newfag.
>>16487788And what is that vanity worth when set against the infinite future of space? Pic related, the lunar rotor city I designed, with Jeff Bezos' yacht in the water, bottom left (actually scaled to Bezos' yacht specifically)
>>16487793What happens if you jump in this.
>>16487760every single critique of Starship here revolves around it having not achieved something yet, why do they struggle so much with extrapolation?
Babe wake up, an ICBM was just actively used for war for the first time in history
has there been any info when the first starship using raptor 3 engines will fly?
>>16487800Source?
>>16487801no
>>16487800US officials debunked this.
>>16487798if anon will supply the radius and rotation rate you can plug them into this https://www.tomlechner.com/outerspace/
>>16487804Seems to be nothing more than ukrainians coping about how a missile got past their air defense.
>>16487802The US is contesting the intelligence. But Ukr is saying an RS-26 was used. Probably just a cope lolNothing ever happen and solid rockets are gay anyways
>>16487798Pretty much the same as on Earth >>16487805240 meter radius at 0.2 radians per second. Combined with lunar gravity the ~11° slopes at the edges are a full 1g
>>16487800If starship launches from texas, orbits the world and then bellyflops right in to the FAA office, is it also a ICBM?
>>16487800Wew
>>16487812>Nothing ever happenonly goalpost movers say that
>>16487823So these where ICBM's with multiple warheads?
>>16487823Oh fuck, the goa'uld are here.
>>16487839Did BO ever end up buying ball aerospace?
>>16487842Why?
>>16487842God I hate /pol/ posters so much
>>16487842Are the Russians very irrational and have a desire desire to stop existing? If not then nothing is going to happen. If they are then nuclear war is near inevitable no matter what.
>>16487823Did they launch duds?
>>16487842So true, anon. We should send more weapons to Ukraine to prevent Russia from starting WW3.
>>16487774if you look at a photo of the engines before they're fired, some are naturally a darker shade inside
>>16487852Test fired?
>>16487856mixed race engines
>>16487850Yes, unarmed ones. Just kinetic energy here
>>16487840indeed
>>16487837MIRV? yes
>>16487758testing...
>>16487800It wasn't ICBM, already denied by US.
IFT-6 as seen from the ISS, with any luck they'll be better video than what was available through the public feed>https://x.com/astro_Pettit/status/1859574336186675524
>>16487736Have we heard anything about the banana yet? Did it survive?
spehs
>>16487758>Error: Maximum allowed video duration is 120 seconds.I understand file size limit but why a video duration limit?
>>16487876Wtf is this monstrosity? Almost looks like the SLS with a little starship taped to the side. Who made this render?
>>16487866:O
>>16487876disgusting, here you have a real spaceplane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_igVSf6tyJstotal SLS death
>>16487876>>16487883TFW no shuttle reboost mission to SkylabTFW no shuttle-buran docked to Mir at the same time
>>16487879there are standards
>>16487885why didn't nasa ever bother to pressurize the entire space shuttle payload bay for some launches? that would've added almost 300 more cubic meters of space, are they stupid?>inb4 it's not that easy in lifesupportry
>>16487886What do you mean by that?
As NASA increasingly relies on commercial space, there are some troubling signs >There are growing concerns about the sustainability of this strategy, though. Some contractors are struggling financially, and others have bowed out of commercial programs entirely. Inside the space agency, too, there appears to be some pushback against these private space initiatives, with agency officials seeking more control. Some key commercial space leaders have left or been edged out of the agency, leaving questions about who will champion these programs. In short, after nearly two decades, NASA’s commercial space efforts are starting to show some cracks.>The problem is that NASA has gotten away from the guiding principles that led to success with the early cargo and crew programs.>Some of the new commercial programs have skipped the COTS development phase entirely and have gone directly into the services phase—even though the contractors are still developing their hardware. NASA also appears to be funding a far lower share of costs than it did during the cargo and crew programs. Additionally, many of the new programs do not have any near-term customers except the government, so NASA is not one of many customers—it is the only customer.>And perhaps most importantly, NASA is loading the companies down with requirements. NASA is adding requirements, changing them, and burdening contractors with thousands of requirements rather than hundreds.>“They have shoved a cost-plus contract into a fixed-price environment,” one senior government source said. “Instead of a lean contract, there are thousands of requirements for something that has no other customers.”>Added an official from a commercial space company working on a fixed-price contract with NASA: “It certainly feels like a lot of people are treating us like we’re a cost-plus contractor."https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/11/as-nasa-increasingly-relies-on-commercial-space-there-are-some-troubling-signs/
>>16487890if the filesize is limited but the playtime is not, the possibility exists that we may be exposed to a moving postage stamp sized video several hours long, and THAT cannot be ricked or tolerated
>>16487891>The cost of fixed price huh
>>16487888because the doors had to be open all the time while in orbit?
>>16487893nasa is making it harder for companies to complete the contracts. the requirements are too much for newspace companies, and the money too low for oldspace companies, so its becoming very ineffecient and useless.
>>16487891Hopefully the new admin is going to fix that.
>>16487894kek, I meant in missions where they wouldn't be deploying any payloads, just chilling inside as if it were a space station. they could dedicate one of the orbiters, say endeavor or discovery, for this, so that they don't have to add and remove the extra ECLSS all the time.
I've extracted the original size of the sonic boom maps from the pdf
>>16487895it would work if every company was spacex
>>16487899it was designed to be modular you dope
>>16487903we were fucking ROBBED
>>16487902i was wondering if the companies working on these projects could hire spacex or some other company to help them get the contracts done
>>16487849we know the answer to that for at least the mobics on the ground, and the answer is yesbut I don't think the men holding the keys to the kingdom feel the same way
>>16487823What the fuck? Those don't look like MIRVs
>>16487899NTA but the payload bay doors HAD to open on the Shuttle no matter what. It’s the only way the radiators could work. If the doors got jammed, it would abort the mission and the orbiter had to return to Earth.The closest thing to what you are describing would be SpaceHab
>>16487895then just make the requirements laxer, easyif no one else except spacex is able to compete, then make the competition easier and have multiple providers so other companies get a lifelineshould still be much cheaper and better than cost+ to oldspace
>>16487768"Elon Musk wants to colonize space. Jeff Bezos wants to be the guy who colonized space."-an anon from /sfg/It's his ego.
>>16487888it was called spacelab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacelab
>>16487852trypophobia
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1859605758091894795>To be clear, I have not done any media interviews and this is not actually my checklist. >I am trying to make life multiplanetary to maximize the probable lifespan of consciousness. Some of the items below are needed for that.
>>16487893>paid for a certain product or milestone>start adding all sorts of bullshit and meddling and other nonsense that isn't covered in the contract>companies can't say no since its the only show in town>>16487902spacex can say no to too much bullshit or just back out of the contract because they have their own businessIf you are some start up in 2024 and your only revenue is NASA then you have to jump through the hoops till bankruptcy
https://x.com/DimaZeniuk/status/1859319056005820647
>>16487925so the problem isn't fixed price contracts, its retarded NASA bureucrats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PpxSk6RjWcThe launches never stopStarlink going up in T-48:00
>“I don't know if they understand what they're doing,” a private industry official said. “The government's really got to look at itself. They’ve got to continue to strip it down and keep the focus on ‘how do I get this hardware out?’ They do that by being very, very, very thoughtful about how they're managing the contract. They’ve always got to be thinking, ‘How do I reduce my overhead on the contract?’ It forces you to be very deliberate in all aspects of your product, program, and project management related to that service. And honestly, if you do that, guess what? You get more hardware for your dollars.”
do you think trump's nasa will pay more respect to the advice of the oig? if he wants a moon landing this term he can't have any more schedule slips
>>16487931>the ratio of NASA engineers working on a program is essentially 1:1 with those of the private contractorsthis is completely insaneWhy are they hiring contractors at all in the first place if your "management" team is bigger than the full time contractors team ????
>>16487748Lefties always display the mental gymnastics of thinking their opposition is terminally retarded but also extremely threatening at the same time. Kind of says a lot about them if they keep losing to retards tbqh.
>>16487892?
>>16487947kek
>>16487755>Rocket Man Bad!
does HR ask question to people on job interview for positions at SpaceX?
>>16487909How hard is it to intercept these bad boys?
>>16487951that's kind of their job right
>>16487954so what do they ask?
>>16487757As is Trump
>>16487866Never thought I'd see the day
>>16487947this is the kind of irresponsible vandalism that such rules are designed to prevent
Chinese crewed moon landing hardware testshttps://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1859478790004670649
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1859628265666904572
>>16487804>>16487868They don't dispute that a big missile was used, just the type. They say it was an IRBM. The Rubezh missile is a borderline IRBM/ICBM and can technically be considered an ICBM
>>16487959questions
woosh
>>16487974comfy with no hosts repeating stuff
>>16487979sir, this is sfg - starship fans general
3 engine rats now lol
>>16487971Soon
Has china discovered the HD camera yet? Every time I see pictures or screenshots or in-orbit photos or lander photos or concept art it’s always some digital 480p slop
stuck it
another [adjective] landing
>>16487987>>16487988hivemind
>>16487949It's the opposite in reality.
>>16487966kek
>>16487787
>>16487994god
>>16487892there's multiple runtime bypasses for webmsthere's an entire postage stamp sized copy of an evangelion episode that gets posted sometimes on /wsg/
>>16487986That's probably because it's been shared through Weibo and heavily compressed before it reaches this board
>all the top basketball players will come from marsearthcucks...
>>16487760>iterative testing is bad>doing things the old fashioned way is goodThis is why Empirical Method should be a required class to graduate from highschool.
>>16487927Yes it turns out cost plus was a reaction to the government not knowing their ass from their elbows and adding requirements late in the proces.s
Muskrat is done
>>16488015>chrome
>>16488015lol
>>16487986Here are 12MB versions of some of the pics taken by Zhurong, although you need to register and log in to access themhttps://clpds.bao.ac.cn/web/enmanager/kxsj?missionName=HX1&zhName=NaTeCam&grade=2CPanoramic image:https://moon.bao.ac.cn/www/plviewer/mars.html
>>16488015I just don't believe you, Jeffrem.
>>16488015i wonder who the person was at mar-a-lago that spread this rumour
>>16488015What is the relationship between Musk and Bezos like
>>16488015jeff bezos never lies
>>16488033love/hate, i ship them
>>16488033Bezos owns Blue Origin, Amazon has an 18% stake in Rivian, and Amazon wants to launch the Kuiper competitor to Starlink, so we can reasonably guess what the Bezos-Musk relationship is like
https://x.com/anduriltech/status/1859613382522900710https://www.anduril.com/article/anduril-awarded-program-of-record-space-surveillance-network/
This is the future muskrats want.
>>16488044explain this program. i thought they made aircraft drones, not satellites.
>>16487971
>>16488015
I hope NG sticks the landing first try just to shove it in /sfg/'s face
>>16488051It's so sad seeing all this, knowing they're going to build a shuttle copy and waste all the money on it for fifty years
>>16488055>shuttle copy???
Lijian-2 fairing separation test
>>16488055don't worry, at the end of that period, a chinese autistic billionaire will show up and disrupt the entire industry.
>>16488054inb4 the New Glenn first stage oopsies during its static fire, taking the second stage and pad with it
>>16488059Actually this is the separation testseems a bit wobbly
>blue origin was founded on september 8, 2000.>more than 24 years later, it still hasn't reached orbitdon't worry gradatim bros, just 25 more years
>>16488048its software
>>16488064new glenn is going to mog starship
>>16488063
>>16487971>>16488051Maybe if they get there before the US things could happen like in For All Mankind
>>16488067>new glennpaper rocket, doesn't exist
>>16488063fairings can have a little wobble, as a treat
>>164880151) it's true and this is denial2) it's false and musk is either lying or has false information fed3) it's mixed, couple be a minor opinion (if Trump loses , you have to sell) rather than strong (Trump will lose, you have to sell)
>>16488048>>16488044They follow the SpaceX playbook where the foundational layer is software and everything is built on top of it. Traditional entities in space do the opposite, in that they build the hardware first and worry about the software after or outsource it to a subprime to handle it. This makes the capabilities specialized, but lack any flexibility to evolve and tends to require a redesign on a contracted basis. SpaceX, Anduril, couple software and hardware at its source, so that changes in hardware informed by physics, will feedback into the software layer and in turn drive innovation to allow new options downstream of its development pipelines.It's what has allowed them to accelerate and disrupt spaces that have been otherwise strangeheld and stagnant.
>>16488066>softwareah, so its a scam
>>16488063The tighter the taper at the bottom, the stiffer it is, and less wobbly it is. This is fine. Look at Ariane's fairings if you want an extreme example
>>16488070a paper rocket with flight hardware?
>>16488076retard alert
>>16488068no nose?
>>16487952Very, multiple re-entry vehicles each with multiple warheads makes the job 100x harder, THAAD is the only system that might stand a chance afaik.
>>16488069Nah, this is Apollo level tech with modern safety margins included, their missions are only set to past 3 days and have nowhere near the amount of payload/consumables that HLS can bring. They'd have to bankrupt themselves to catch up 10-20yrs of progress in the next 4yrs.
>>16488082brilliant pebbles destroys them all while they're still inside of the missile. one shot, dozens intercepted.
>>16488081Ram jet intake
>>16488085>Apollo level techLM10 shares a supply chain with other rockets like LM10A and LM12, which should make it a lot cheaper than a bespoke rocket like Apollo's S5. Likewise, the Mengzhou capsule has a LEO variant. LM10 also shares a pad with LM10A. So at least they should be able to launch more times than Apollo did, without breaking the bank.>catch up 10-20yrs of progress in the next 4yrs.LM9 schedule was moved left to NET 2030, and that rocket could probably be used to deliver about 50t of cargo to the moon. The full reuse variant is now NET 2033-2035. So it might be less than 10 years rather than 20 years
>>16488092>LM10 shares a supply chain with paper rockets
>>16488015https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1859483544612913376I'm saving this.
Elon is literally Hitler
>>16488094100% not true implies that Elon is lying about the rumors being spread, not just that the rumors aren't true.
>>16488096[math]\unicode{x1F464}[/math] Readers added context they thought people might want to knowElon Musk is his own person, and Hitler has been dead for several decadeshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_HitlerDo you find this helpful? (Rate it)
>>16488098Your attempt to wordsmith outs you.
>>16487823haha they made it silly as a joke
>>16488015https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1859644231394218321
>>16488104lol
>>16488074impressive buzzwording, if you aren't making 6 figures you should be
>>16488095Teach the controversy
>>16488104:)
>>16488093LM10 and LM10A first stage is mostly common, and was statically test fired with three engines in June, which you can see in this videohttps://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1801645494902657187LM12 first launch is probably only a few months away. It was supposed to be launched this year. They rolled out a pathfinder in July in to the newly built pad.
>>16488100>>16488107>/sfg/ can't read
>>16488111CZ12 launch is NET November 30th, NOTAM is out and Wenchang space center is selling viewing spot tickets.Also watch out for Zhuque 2E maiden launch next Wednesday.
>16488099did 4chan really add emoj*s? It's fucking over bros...
>>16488085>They'd have to bankrupt themselves to catch up 10-20yrs of progress in the next 4yrs.I've said this before and I'll say it again, the chinese will catch up faster than you think possible.It didn't take them 100 years to catch up on electric cars.
>>16488074The way that this is written and the word choice makes me want to throw you into a thresher, but it is correct.
>>16488125bro is mad [math]\unicode{x1F480}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F480}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F480}[/math]
>>16488125newfag
Outta my way rocket fuckin shitshttps://youtu.be/afLsRsd5roY&t=45m00s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bjfMc3RaZk>Starship Flight 6 Analysis + Pre-Launch Flyover!
>>16487994this is very cute. Please keep posting
>>16488067not with a payload of 45 tons it's not
>>16488015Who the fuck is Elon Mu?
>>16488146more than starship
heh
>>16488138Based
