Flaps v2- editionprevious >>16529664
>>16532468too pointy
>>16532468aesthetics > function
>>16532472mars, why do you think we're trying so hard to colonize it?
>>16532480Kinda stretching the definition of habitable a bit, if you ask me.
>inb4 this thread will once again be filled with a bunch of 16 year old rage baiters.
>>16532481If humans can inhabit it, it's inhabitable.
>>16532485If you need a full environment suit, it's not habitable. Otherwise, you're arguing that the empty vacuum of space is habitable, at which point you've eschewed all meaning of the idea itself.
>>16532486Thats retarded, you're retarded.Are O'Neill cylinders inhabitable?
>>16532489Sure, if you build an artificial life support system, but that also means that a spaceship is inhabitable. This is a failure of an argument because you're replacing habitability with a combination of a location and an artificial life support system. The entire point of describing somewhere as habitable means that you don't need a machine to keep someone alive there.
we need a larger spaceflight industry
>>16532492Starship is going to induce a space industry boom
Good morning saars!!
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>>16532491You need machines to keep you alive on Earth. We need to suck nitrogen out of the air because we've passed what the biosphere can naturally support several times over. If I didn't have a machine to regulate temperature I would've died last night. You're talking about the end result of a journey through interstellar space, with a hypothetical spaceship large and advanced enough to support several generations of people. If you have that, then somewhere like Mars is habitable. All you really need is pic related. Big plastic bag is way easier than interstellar vessel
>>16532491Doesn't matter. If humans can inhabit a place it's inhabitable. Doesn't matter how much tech is required, inhabitable places are inhabitable.Also you're getting away from the original argument that a lack of inhabitable places means interstellar colonization is doomed. Simply realizing technology increases the amount of places that are inhabitable shows the argument for the nonsense it is.
>>16532486>>16532481Mars is 2-habitable: given the resources currently available, it would be possible in less than 10^2 years for ordinary people to live there with no corporate or governmental sponsorship.I don't think there's much reason to use the terms 1-habitable or 3-habitable because there's nothing in the former category and any attempt at predictions on a 1000 year timescale are not credible.
>>16532505>>16532507
>>16532492What exactly is a spaceflight industry? You can only have so many rocket manufacturers (see Boeing/Airbus) and you have a handful of companies building satellites, engines, electronics, etc. What else do you need?
>>16532518payloads
>>16532512>I made a cartoon where you're.. le dumb!Concession accepted
>>16532512>i am mad and have no argument>please look at this reddit meme
>>16532484Please tell me there's some actually interesting space stuff coming up, I'm so sick of all the politics talk.
>>16532553NG launch maybe next week
>>16532553nuglun launching next monday, starship launching next friday, it'll be a fun week.
>>16532556>>16532557I won't believe that New Glen is actually launching until I see several reliable reports about it, until then I'm just gonna assume it's a massive inflatable they managed to stick engines to.Another Starship launch is cool though, I didn't realise it was so soon.
>>1653255311 hours until the first launch of the year
>>16532569They already had all the successful tests, only launch is left.I don't see it being delayed much.
>>16532571I said interesting, not the regular spacex bus to orbit. >>16532573Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.
the lineup for the next two weeks>3 Jan - Falcon 9 - UAE geo sat>5 Jan - Falcon 9 - Starlink>6 Jan - New Glenn - Blue Ring pathfinder test>6 Jan - Falcon 9 - Starlink>6 Jan - Long March 3B/E - ?? geosat>10 Jan - Ceres-1 - ?? leosat>10 Jan - Starship - ??>12 Jan - Jielong 3 - ?? leosat
>>16532505You post that air mattress a lot.
>>16532569>massive inflatable they managed to stick engines toWorked for Atlas
>>16532579I've been gone for a month
>The Space Force has initiated the "One Falcon Initiative", processes aimed at further reducing the turnaround time between each F9 launch.Bros, we're getting 200 launches this year aren't we?
>>16532589F9 has achieved about 16 Saturn V launches to orbit in 2024.
>>16532589>Bros, we're getting 200 launches this year aren't we?We got 261 in 2024.
>>16532472Europa
if the earth was found in another solar system it would not be "inhabitable"
>>16532606source?
>>16532606depends on the star and distance. what are you trying to say?
>>16532589NSF things no more than 170. the limitation is now the number of drone ships.
>>16532615thinks*
>>16532606we're only finding earth-sized planets around stars too small to allow a planet's atmosphere to not be stripped away by the solar wind. We just need bigger better telescopes
>>16532589If spacex wants to be comfortably doing daily or twice daily launches, the government definitely has to step up their archaic systems/procedures
>>16532589they need more pads and more drone ships. or pads with the turn around time of airport runways.
>the hardest part of spaceflight is boatsunexpected
>>16532468Long-term unmanned blimp in Venus‘s upper atmosphere when?
>>16532635I don't really get why they're skimping on boats. they could easily have a fleet of 8 or 10, the current 3 ship fleet is clearly holding them back.
>>16532637cyberpunk enjoyers, we're winning
>>16532637is that a homeless guy playing vr games in front of a decathlon store?>Long-term unmanned blimp in Venus‘s upper atmosphere when?when(if) starship becomes operational, obviously. You can get anything to anywhere in the solar system with it, provided you have a few dozen million $$$ to spare
>>16532622>>16532611>>16532606Because it's really inconvenient to travel interstellar distances, there will be a strong bias on colonizing the nearest worlds, whether that involves building enclosed habitats or some degree of local or global terraforming.Accordingly, it's not relevant whether or not a planet is habitable as-is. Instead what's important is how much work it will take to make it that way. The best worlds will simply be too far away.
https://www.spaceforce.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/4020171/space-launch-delta-45-breaks-records-remains-worlds-busiest-spaceport-in-2024/
>>16532651we could've done this without space force. go give them some guns and spaceships already.
>>16532648>Because it's really inconvenient to travel interstellar distances>i-it's inconvenient guyzzzz we must stay at home!!!1!!1Don't Care. I'm gonna build a VD Drive and fuck off to Andromeda before you are even born
>>16532655When FTL becomes cheap and available to everyone I will kill the grandfathers of every FTL poster before they are bornI don't even care if it creates a paradox
>>16532660A timeline maintenance department would probably go back in time to kill you before you could go back in time to kill anyone.
>>16532660>FTLnever gonna happen and even if it did you wouldn't do shit, punk. Not when I fuck your mom and force her to have an abortion
>>16532485Untrue, Phoenix AZ is not remotely suitable for human habitation, and yet people still make a go of it there. It's the intrepid human spirit.
an FTL drive still has to wait to not exceed the speed of light
We simply need to invent a working Warp drive to go FTL, it's literally as easy as that
warp drive in wormholes
>>16532576Do we know what the blue ring test is about? Are they gonna try and rendezvous with anything?
you troglodytes are NGMI"FTL this wormhole that" is all you know about space travel. If you wanna fly and you wanna do it fast, you can't pussy around with this nonsense speed limit shit. Rather than jump through loops to break the laws of physics, we simply rewrite them so C is N times bigger. That's what a Vacuum Decay drive does and you'd do well to remember it
>>16532690just suck it up like a man and use C. lightspeed time to get the to nearest stars is already well winthin a human life,
>>16532690>we simply rewrite them so C is N times biggerlol this is how they get around FTL travel in futurama. scientists raised the speed of light in 2208
>>16532420>even 1000 times the speed of light is slow: going to Alpha Centuari would take a full day and a half.That is acceptable
>>16532704>lightspeed time to get the to nearest stars is already well winthin a human life,>nearest starsNot. Fast. Enough.(((We))) will make it so C is bigger than the diameter of the observable universe and then I'll take a holiday trip to Earendel before claiming Andromeda for the white race. You cucks can stay in your blacked milk galaxy taking years to get to neighboring stars, for all I care LMAO
>>16532637Mars colonization will make the narrative insufferable. >we can afford to build houses ON MARS but we can't build houses for schizophrenic drug addicts
https://x.com/ScienceMagazine/status/1874829545783595139Boil-off is solved
>>16532712That's still a dozen millennia to the next galaxy
>>16532742what, like they can't already say that with ISS?
>>16532743>surpasses solar100% reflectancewhat the fuck that does that even mean?>"We discovered that it achieves a solar-weighted reflectance of 104.0% in visible light regions through fluorescence and phosphorescence. The cooling effect can reduce ambient temperatures by 16.0°C under high solar irradiance."lolhttps://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn5694?utm_campaign=SciMag&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=ownedSocial
>>16532752There's political obligations and Earth science
>>16532746So this is not good enough for you?
>>16532759or even just this
>>16532762>>16532759All these stars will belong to Mankind.
>>16532766All the stars already do, as there is absolutely no other life in the universe to claim them.
>>16532766fuck yeah
>>16532743Now solve embrittlement
>>16532768well, there's a bunch of microbes. but what are they gonna do?
Our closest neighbor, as seen from Earth and the New Horizons probe.>>16532768*citation required
>>16532766Imageine how many planets and moons in this local region alone mann, how many rogue planets too
>>16532772not a problem with methalox
>>16532766Really hope there's no aliens, nothing beyond microbes or bacteria, at least in this area, this should all be human territory
10 light years of humanity
What went so wrong?
>>16532777And seen through the rings of Saturn.They're just right over there, you can go see them.>>16532778I wonder how you'd ID and tag rogue planets which aren't radiating any heat of their own and are too far from anything to reflect light? How do you find them? How do you stick a lighthouse on one so they can be used for navigational buoys?
>>16532785Reality
>>16532785his business collapsed so he ran out of money
>>16532785Maezawa ran out of money and got replaced
>>16532743Whether or not it's solved this particular piece of anti-human propaganda has nothing to do with it. There are already materials that do this, but they've managed to make something that degrades quickly so it's "environmentally friendly". In other words it is designed to stop working and given its composition it would probably do so very rapidly in LEO.
>>16532785he only cared about it for the novelty, no real passion
>>16532756It generates light?
>>16532492elon will change ITAR so that h1bs can work at spacex have faith bro
>>16532756Probably something like even if it's under direct sunlight it will reflect the sunlight and still bleed off heat energy from whatever it's mounted on? So it can still cool something even when under direct sunlight?
>>16532814it doesn't generate it really, but releases radiation absorbed in non-visible wavelengths as radiation in the visible wavelengthsfrom wikipedia it seems this requires higher energy wavelengths, so I guess ultraviolet and beyond is absorbed and then emitted in the visible spectrumhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescencehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescence
https://x.com/pbdes/status/1874817995475939510>Eutelsat Group: 48-hour global outage of OneWeb broadband LEO constellation New Year's eve due to ground network software failure to account for Leap Year. Network back now in service.
https://x.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1874868808923705419>Departure! The Blue Origin landing vessel Jacklyn is underway from Port Canaveral for the debut launch of New Glenn. Support ship Harvey Stone towing. Good luck to everyone involved! This will be something to see on the return if all goes well! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm8wRjD3xVA
>>16532846>issues with time/datei've been there before
>>16532847retardedly big barge
>>16532851It's fine because they are going to succeed 1st time unlike spacex
>>16532855Source?
>>16532756like it says, the thing can still radiate heat even in direct sunlight. thats nifty
>>16532860I'm from the future
https://spaceflightnow.com/2024/12/27/nelson-decision-on-mars-sample-return-expected-before-new-administration-takes-office/>One of the biggest decision points for the space community, how to redesign the Mars Sample Return (MSR) mission, may be weeks away from an inflection point, according to outgoing NASA Administrator Bill Nelson.>During a roundtable discussion with reporters on Dec. 18 at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, Nelson said the agency will announce the path forward on the U.S.-led initiative to return samples from the Red Planet “in the first part of January, before I leave. As a matter of fact, one of the major briefings is going to occur Friday morning (Dec. 20) here at KSC,” Nelson said. “I’ve already been briefed in part. At the end of the day, I’m the decider on this stage and then we had that off to the new administration.”
>>16532876nasa should move forward with the sample return. its a fuckhuge expense but there's still no guarantee that spacex will be returning any samples from mars any time soon. by the time spacex can get some roggs onto a starship, nasa might already have had the sample back on earth for a number of years.
>>16532879Delusional.
>>16532885nasa is all about hedging bets these days
>>16532887If you seriously think nasa can beat anyone at msr then you're delusional.
>>16532855They better, the route they took.
>>16532891NASA is just going to hire roggidlab to do a pretty ok job of msr
>>16532879Yeah NASA can get the council to put together an NTP ship that can get there next month
>>16532903>>16532894World's most anticipated artificial reef
>>16532903so do they have crew in it
>>16532847How long until SpaceX is renting time on that for Falcon?
>>16532894>>16532903If they make it on the first try I expect a formal apology from ya'll.
>>16532588I've been banned since last month, so that cancels out or something.
>>16532909Even then it's very unlikely barge gets destroyed as the landing should be much less aggressive than F9
>>16532639You're a but, boats are notoriously expensive. Boats are holes in the water you shovel money into.
>>16532903tick tock muskrats...
>>16532468Why aren't we turning an highly elliptical asteroid into a multi generation space ship, and send it to another star system?
>>16532909>ya'llesl pls go
>>16532790More like Maezawa got tired of waiting and went for the Moskal experience instead. Not enjoying it, he cancelled all future flights.
>>16532921Why aren't you getting a girlfriend?
>>16532914Based me too
>>16532847>>16532852Why is there several warehouses on the barge, is it an amazon delivery ship when it's not catching rockets?
>>16532921Because so far our only interaction with much closer asteroids is grabbing a handful of dust. That's like asking why you personally don't build the great pyramids. You can pick up rocks. Just stack them in a triangle. Why aren't you doing this?
https://x.com/Cmdr_Hadfield/status/1874797228738715700
>>16532939>new glenn going orbital before starshipoh god...
>>16532909I will not apologize because I have been pro-glenn from the start
>>16532939>Sun 5I thought it launches at January 6?
>>16532943They really should have gone for full orbit on flight 6.
>>16532943the seething caused by the "welcome to the club" tweet will be delicious
>>16532950>>16532943problem, sport?
>>16532943At this pace every rocket goes to orbit before Starship lmao
>>16532948depends on the timezone
>>16532943They're not making it on the first try.
>>16532954GOOOOOD MORNING SAAR! SORRY SMALL DELAY ON STARSHIT PLEASE HOLD!
>>16532966>07:00 AM (UTC+1)Gladly I am unemployed.
>>16532970ISRO's upgraded LVM3 has been in development for nearly 20 years
>>16532468not to ruin your enthusiasm but space exploration is probably all fakeandgay. the rocket launches are probably used to put 5g-type cancer antennas in space to stimulate the graphene oxide in the jabbed with microwaves. the space exploration of planets is maybe a justification for spending and a cover
Wtf is Elon Musk up to?? I am scared. Is he going to flood the country with Indians?
>>16533004https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/6.1980-358read something and stop being retarded
Reminder, this is a Blue board ;)
>>16533004awe man that sucks. thanks for letting me know
>>16533004Define aerocapture.
>>16533004>>>/x/a place for you
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/us/politics/frank-kendall-air-force.html>So during his tenure, the Air Force started to build out a suite of what Mr. Kendall called “low-debris-causing weapons” that will be able to disrupt or disable Chinese or other enemy satellites, the first of which is expected to be operational by 2026.>“Space is a vacuum that surrounds Earth,” Mr. Kendall said. “It’s a place that can be used for military advantage and it is being used for that. We can’t just ignore that on some obscure, esoteric principle that says we shouldn’t put weapons in space and maintain it. That’s not logical for me. Not logical at all. The threat is there. It’s a domain we have to be competitive in.”
>>16533043it just plunged right in at 48 km/s and slowed to about 100mph for chute deploy within a couple minutes. impressive.
>>16532855but like to take a nice slow safe landing it means they are going to be still full of fuelsince its 7 engines on the first stagegonna be a big boomnot even fucking testing the hop before hand, how hard is it to do a small hop?
>>16532855>It's fine because they are going to succeed 1st time unlike spacexName two rockets that were not based existing hardware which were successful on their first flight.
>>16533069There is no need for that.Pay attention.
>>16533077define "not based" "on existing hardware"
>>16533049>the first of which is expected to be operational by 2026hmm...>Within a few years, the Space Force be able to conduct “full spectrum operations” in orbit, Chief of Space Operations Gen. B. Chance Saltzman said this week—hinting at a new space weapon that could be used offensively while offering scant details. https://www.airandspaceforces.com/space-force-new-capability-full-spectrum-operations-2026-saltzman/
Reminder that SpaceX still has not figured out a way to make structurally sound payload doors for stuff not StartLink.
>>16533064Apparently those phenolic heat shields only perform well on steep descents that would mulch astronauts. For some strange reason they thought it would work for Orion, idk.
https://x.com/tony873004/status/1874905920360394820>Newly-discovered asteroid 2025 AC is currently passing Earth at 1/3 the Moon's distance. It has brightened to mag 15, putting it in the range of amateur astrophotographers across Eurasia. I'd watch with my Unistellar eVscope, but I am on the wrong side of the planet (Again!)
>>16532783>Really hope there's no aliens, >this should all be human territoryt.
>>16532480>we'reIt's an autistic's special interest. Most people have only a vague sense that it would be interesting like a new scifi series on Netflix might be interesting. There's no giant public demand for it and certainly no public demand to dedicate significant public resources to it. If SpaceX is successful at making it happen, it'll mostly be due to finding a way to finance it through profits from other space projects.Even with something like the Moon landing, public interest rapidly dissipated once it had been accomplished.
>>16533122Wait, I have an "Occupy Mars" t-shirt. Will people think I'm autistic if I wear it in public? lol
>>16533082An example would be not being a family of orbital rockets that started as an ICBM.
https://x.com/OlafFrohn/status/1874915457310089361>Map of all active & planned Solar System missions and their destinations as of January 1st 2025
>>16533111>220Gthats steep and fast for sure
>>16533150this has got to be the most retarded infographic I have ever seen
>>16533150One single Starship landing on Mars will have more mass than everything in this chart combined.
>>16532967A new rocket blowing up the first few attempts is a SpaceX thing. It's probably a better way to do engineering, but BO has done it the old way and they've done it well into there being precedent for reuse. It'll probably go perfectly.
>>16532992>"ISROsene" because their awful pajeet curry slurry can't even make "Jet A" quality standardsYIKES
>>16533178BO as a company has never launched a single thing into orbit, or do you mean to say that all the other companies in history launched their first orbital rockets into orbit on first try because they did it "the old way"?Because that's not a history that I remember.
>>16533099The structural properties of steel are well understood. It'll probably just be a hit to payload mass
>>16533184Their engines have gone orbital, and they've landed several rockets
>10 years later>saarship is the leader in putting malfunctioning payload doors in space
>>16533158well you obviously haven't been here very long
>>16533127lol
you're delusional if you think that blue origin is going to nail the landing on the first try
>>16533219post proof then, o great and wise senpai
>>16533224https://strawpoll.com/kogjRDj32g6
someone post the sls pumpkin infographic
>>16533228what would a partial success be like in this case?
>>16532855you mean in 2nd place, after someone else did all the legwork for them?
>>16532909you know exactly what we'll say if they do.Welcome to the Club.
>>16532943starship has already gone orbital, mr ragebaiting retard.
>>16533231I guess like the early falcon drone ship landings, on target and slows down but tips over.
>>16533122I hate normoids so goddamn much. They literally don't understand. They are insentient.
>>16533150>Tianwen-4 flyby of UranusAbout damn time we revisited the ice giants.>approach in 2045Fuck me.
>>16533238inb4 "how not to land an orbital rocket booster compilation" part 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvim4rsNHkQ
just another reminder that starship has already gone orbital with a periapsis of about 40 km, it's a functional indifference that it doesn't make a full rotation, really just one of the final goalposts before anti-starship EDSers are forced to move the technical impossibility goalpost surrounding starship into an open grave and start whinging about things like cadence.
>>16533082>define "not based"You.
>>16533245That does raise the question of what the next goalpost will be.
>>16533256starship will only ever be used for starlink missions
>>16533004How do the 5g antennas stay up there though? Wouldn't they just fall down?
>>16533261magnets
>>16533261Gravity is selective and doesn't begin to influence you until you become aware of its presence.>citation: Coyote, W, "Oh Drat!" (1958)
>>16532943It should have been orbital years ago.
>>16533281It’s been orbital this whole time. Around the sun.
I think NG nails the landing, I just don't think it's gonna launch this month.
First commercial application of Qianfan aboard a cruise ship from Shanghai to Hong Kong.
>>16533294implessive
>>16533294我们走吧。
The history of the orbiter can be seen here. The lighter the tiles, the more missions they have been through. You can see the harsh environment it encounters for each reentry.
ISRO's launch planning for 2025.The PSLV-N1 is a PSLV produced under a new public private partnership that gives more role to industrials.
>>16533127Do people think you're autistic if you fly on an airplane or drive your WWI tank to the Whataburger?
>>16533122I never got the public interest meme. Spaceflight should be gatekept to only the most autistic of peoples. The recent (past 10 years) influx of froyo eating redditors into spaceflight has been a disaster to the community
>>16533301>Gaganyaan uncrewed test flightNeat, I've been wanting to see this thing fly for years.
>>16533276What we call gravity is the effect of mass slowing time, the closer you are to the center of mass the more pronounced the effect becomes.There is tens of seconds difference in the flow of time just between the Earth's surface and geostationary orbit, GPS sats have to account for this.
>>16533308It's looking good for a launch this year, even if it has been delayed by 4 years and 3 months in the past 6 years and a half
>>16533313With any luck it will finally do the needful this year
>>16532505>>16532507So literally everywhere is habitable. What a stupid fucking arument. Stop posting
>>16533301Here's how many launches they had planned for 202422 launches
>>16533324Here's how many they actually managedFive launches
>>16533328that's way more than yurop lmaoindia sir bros, we gaaan
>>16533308It did fly last year.Only an atmospheric in-flight abort test.
>>16533307Public interest is important for several reason. If it requires public funding, then it being something the public supports makes it easier. There's a reason why Bill Clinton picked ISS over the Desertron. Also if you want a steady supply of aerospace engineers, there needs to be public interest in space. If you want to get other technical workers, it helps if they have an interest in space flight because the happiness they get from being in a related field means you can pay them less than if you're a company engineering sewage treatment. There are also some negative side effects to all the required infrastructure and activities associated with space flight. If the public supports it, they're more likely to not care very much about some endangered sand flea that the launches might upset.
>>16533339>transfar
>>16533340it isn't going a short distance
>>16533330Less payload mass than Arianespace this year (~6t)
>>16533344Parking a broken upper stage in the wrong orbit hardly counts.
>>16533347Actually deployed orbital payloads of A6 FM01 + both vega slightly surpass ISRO's total
>>16533320The sun is not habitable. Nor is Jupiter. I'd even go so far as to say places like Pluto or Venus aren't either. If all it takes is a plastic sheet to make a place work for us, then it's habitable. Therefore Mars is habitable. In a universe that swings between 0 and 250,000 kelvin or 0 and 10^35 pascals, Mars is basically perfect.
>>16533236>>16533245Call me a stickler but I'm not gonna call something orbital if it can't make it fully around even once and ideally multiple times. Starship doesn't go orbital yet for good reason, you don't have to be a 1 about it just because BO could conceivably get one measly win. New Glenn gets sufficiently mogged by everything else about Starship that it doesn't make a difference and rather will be funny.
>>16533111Phenolic heat shields work just fine on less aggressive trajectories. Apollo's command module used phenolic ablative heat shield material. Orion only had trouble because they were getting water, or some other liquid, into the individual tile elements and it couldn't evaporate out before over-stressing the material's internal bonds.
>>16533388the reason why i'm being a 1 about it is because retards insist that starship is "not orbital" because it can't and doesn't have the mass fractions to get orbital, which is horseshit and retards deserve to be bullied. it literally has to burn for a few more seconds and then it's in a circularized orbit.
>>16533228people seem pretty optimistic
>>16533397I don't care if retards don't understand that it easily could, it still hasn't gone fully orbital. No need to twist the facts when you can just wait a few months.
reposing once before I write down the results and forget about it for the next 12 months. get your vote in now! https://strawpoll.com/XmZRQVL1Kgd
https://youtu.be/UUrfaEV3S4kYikes
>>16533399Their final approach control is so insanely wonky-looking on NS that I'm amazed those boosters land successfully at all. A lot of that is probably because it's a fairly small rocket, but it doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence for the first try with NG, especially with people talking about what a disaster the software side of Kuiper is. It feels a bit hypocritical being a Blorigin doubter on this issue due to their comparative lack of experience with booster landing and retropropulsion in general, because "lack of experience/heritage" was always one of the big critic talking points about Spacex. Blue has been around for longer than Spacex though, and accomplished basically nothing by comparison over that time. Not a single gram to orbit, and BE-4 would only be impressive if it weren't a fat bitch compared to Raptor. There's 20+ years of institutional rot that I fear will show through with NG. If it doesn't, that's cool, but every year they spend ramping up production and flight cadence is a year that Starship is doing the same thing.
Theres enough asteroids for billions of people, Im not even concerned w interstellar. Planets are overrated when you can mine asteroids and build orbitals. Id like to see most polluting, heavy industry moved into space. The earth reserved for agriculture and nature and living space.
>>16533427agriculture might be even easier in space though once we sort the radiation exposure problem through artificial EMF and plasma shieldingfermentation happens most efficiently in near zero G, and fermentation is how microbes contribute to high soil quality
>>16533427The population is collapsing
>>16533434The social contract has made mere survival difficult enough that children are impossible.
>>16533435you mean the systematic dismantling of the social contract
>>16533378>If all it takes is a plastic sheetarbitrary standard you made up in your head.
>>16533436Yes. Getting your foot in the door is inordinately difficult, hard work goes unrewarded in favor of quotas, women don't want to have children, and they're effectively free to up and leave a man at any time and walk away with half of his everything. Something has to give, and right now, it's the continuity of the species that has gone slack.
>>16533434That wont be the case forever. For some reasons midwits have a bad habit of linearly extrapolating the same trend forever.
>>16533439True, the Africans are multiplying like crazy. They will inherit the stars
>>16533441They're actually on the same downward trajectory as the rest of the world. Colonists will have kids above replacement
>>16533122Autism without purpose veers left or right, but with purpose and direction goes forward.
>>16533442Nah that's never gonna happen
>>16533388? It was fully capable of orbital speed and circularizing, but its a reusable rocket so the #1 priority is testing reentry
>>16532903I wonder if the white balls are Starlink gateways because there's not enough bandwidth between the 2 Kuiper test satellites to support this launch and telemetry
>>16533099Shave off 5-10T off the theoretical mass of the payload and you can have all the structurally sound payload bay doors you want.
>>16533448>purposeyou mean the torque generated from the spin of a gyroscope ofc
>>16532717I would suck the evaporating cryogenics out of her
>>16533451the balls are gonna be radars....
>>16533451https://x.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1874873135104758209/Actually, the Starlink terminals are mounted in the open
>>16533228High probability since Bezos said they intend to underclock their engines so that they run cooler, are more stable in their burn profile. The biggest challenge will be reignition of central 3 engines during the reentry burn and then a second reignition during the landing burn. They have a decent amount of knowledge on how to via New Shepard with a single engine, and potentially some new knowledge from dual engine configuration from Vulcan Centaur assuming that ULA shared that data in full back to Blue. In theory they could extrapolate out to 3 engines, but nature is the world's biggest bitch. Things can still potentially go wrong. That and its potentially unknown if the surface of that barge can survive the blast force of the equivalent of 1-3 raptors slamming down on it. Especially if that surface isn't water cooled with water deflecting much of the sound and heat.I'd guess that there'll probably be some damage to the drone ship, even if the booster successfully touched down on it.
>>16533442Maybe if the colonists have assigned breeders. Failing at that, it's hard to see how we make things work when multiple consecutive generations have been fighting a war against reproduction.
>>16533457That's honestly kind of pathetic. I'd have expected Kuiper terminals by now, the fact that there aren't any and the probability that Amazon isn't going to make their Kuiper minimum orbital deployment window leading to a potential FCC license loss due to reneging on deliverables is truly truly pathetic.
>>16533457How much is Jeff seething right now?
>>16533461why would they put non functional terminals on their barge?
>>16533448Autism goes left or right when the path forward is blocked. This is why the Left and the Right hate H1Bs so much
I don't want New Glenn to work first try because it'll embolden a fuckload of smug EDS retards and that would be really annoying.
>>16533461If Kuiper was on track to match Starlink's timeline they'd only be launching their first batch of production hardware right about now. They're not keeping to Starlink's timeline because they're being run by the guy who was fired from the Starlink division for being too slow. They'll still find a way to patch things over with the FCC
>>16533470>They're not keeping to Starlink's timeline because they're being run by the guy who was fired from the Starlink division for being too slow.Damn was that guy ever a bad bet from Bezos' side of things.
>>16533469no no no, the best situation is the first launch goes completely fine. BUT then the 2nd launch explodes instantly destroying the customer payload.
I want new glenn to work first try because it'll let me be smug as fuck
>>16533469I want to see New Glenn launch successfully but fail to land. That way a politically viable alternative to SLS is available, but Jeff Who still gets a slice of humble pie.
>>16533474We don't want a situation where SpaceX is domestically uncontested. Without a fire under their ass, the inevitable fuckwits that follow Elon Musk will end up being just like the idiots that put Boeing in a nosedive.
>>16533473It's a cost-benefit analysis. There's some added costs related to project delays, but Bezos was able to save at least 60% versus the payroll cost of someone who could get the satellites to the pad on timeThere's also the 4d idea that being late wouldn't really matter as much because Kuiper was supposed to be launching on Vulcan and Ariane 6. Ariane isn't going to have any capacity available for Kuiper until after the 7-26 deadline and Vulcan's advertised ramp-up would have been all but unheard of in the industry.
>>16533470>>16533461https://www.fcc.gov/space/international-satellite-coordinationAs I understand it, FCC coordinates with the ITU for spectrum rights when it comes to allocation beyond US borders and territories with primary allocation and management handled by the agency for all matters inside the US. As Kuiper is intended to be an international service in addition to the US, the Kuiper spectrum allocation for specific bands is tied to both FCC aaaand ITU. If Kuiper fails to deliver on time for the minimum threshold, then FCC has to put those bands back up for bidding to other providers in the market. Amazon is not allowed to squat on them beyond their minimum threshold windows, just because they're slow as fuck. This then means that Amazon would have to reapply for those bands again while competing likely with SpaceX now putting up Gen3 Starlinks, OneWeb, RocketLab, and other players in the market. They can't just patch things over with the FCC willy nilly. They'll get sued by other players for spectrum squatting, which is illegal.
>>16533482>It's a cost-benefit analysis. There's some added costs related to project delays, but Bezos was able to save at least 60% versus the payroll cost of someone who could get the satellites to the pad on timeThe cost of paying the guy is incredibly marginal compared to the opportunity cost and development cost of the whole system.
>>16533491The joke is that the guy is Indian
>>16533482Save 50% across the board on wages and just never deliver a product sounds goodThe only issue is Bezo's is spending his own money and not other investors
if its boeing im not going
Why are muskrats already seething so much about new glenn when it didnt even flight yet? Why are you so scared? Deep inside you, you know new glenn MOGS the suborbital can
^this anon knows what sperm tastes like
Reminder:>SpaceX: 390 booster landings>Rest of the world combined: 0
>>16533510Not a "muskrat" but I am a put up or shut up kind of person. BO simply moves at a glacial pace. That's why I'll withhold judgement until they actually make the attempt. Having grown up in Shuttle era, I'm accustomed to delays and disasters.
>>165335362017 called. they said they want their meme back
>>16533540>2017take me backkkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duGy_StSCkg
do you think BO makes any money at all selling engines to ULA
>>16533551They're not making Russian extortion rates, but they're making some amount of profit
>>16533554Thought part of the reason for paying Russia so much for their engines was so their rocket scientists wouldn't wander off to work for someone like Pakistan or North Korea. Is that no longer the case?
After listening to several hours of the absolutely-not-elon twitter space, I'm fucking gobsmacked that he managed to make these companies work. Maybe space really is simply that easy.
Elon Musk is God-King on Earth, living as a man, yet immortal. He is very likely the Second Coming of the Christ, the Son.
>>16533559It hasn't been the 1990s in Russia for a very long time. Pakistan has a lower quality of life than Russia and North Korea isn't to be considered by anyone who doesn't need to escape from extradition very very badly. Iran was always the main country of concern back in the day and it has a significantly lower quality of life than Pakistan on top of higher cost of living, neither of which compare well to Russia. Besides, Russia hates losing its aerospace seed corn; it'll sell technical services or engines, but they'll never sell capabilities when they could create a repeat customer instead. The only reason we were able to get any engineers out of the country on visas in the late 90s and early 00s was because Russian emigration control had collapsed. That's not that case anymore.
>>16533570basado, todos amamos a Elon.
https://youtu.be/Lbe7n0gkFWkalien relics are amongus
>>16533570Nobody is buying it here anymore saar
>>16533584o i am buyin
>>16533584wrong, I still love elont. a third worldie
https://x.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1875036104455303363>The launch of Tianwen-2 (asteroid sample return mission) is just 5 months away!
>>16533596here let me predict the results in advance>we found le water!>we found le complex organicsfucking yawn. how many more crums do we need from shitbox rocks to pump out the same tired academic papers?
>>16533599the goal of these programs is asteroid mining and asteroid defense. the science is a byproduct.
>>16533600did a scientist tell you that?
Going to try and get a plasma magnet sail question into this twitter space
>>16533606It's not elon you retard
>>16533603no its obvious
>>16533609It literally is my man, you think he would put up with some random shithead impersonating him on a space with all his gay "right-wing" eceleb twitter nigger dicksuckers?
>>16533612the dude plays chess, elon hates chess
>>16533611>5g of crumbs>asteroid mininguh huh
>>16533613>elon hates chessAs far as I know, it's not really that he hates the game itself, but rather, he finds it pointless, like a waste of time and talent for anyone that would play it, or at least for those who take it too seriously. I, myself, love chess, but I get his point, and where he comes from, so don't really dwell too much on it. However, the rest of the chess community didn't take it so well lmao, EDS infested another of my niche interests.
>>16533616you dont start out asteroid mining, just like you dont start out with starships. you gotta build up your capabilities and experience.
>>16533620he's midwit tier when it comes to subjects not obsessively fixated onchess engines and efforts to optimize them have done more for machine learning, programming, and storage than he has ever bothered to wonder aboutto think he pretends to want to build a game company and develop AI, but offhandedly brush off THE singlular GOAT chess because he can "see 12 moves ahead in any situation"top kek, peak cringeprobably never even played chess with dice and money on the lineyou know there's a Star Trek reference to chess I think topical here, you may know the film based on Space SeedMusk is the *much* less charismatic and handsome version of a genetically engineered Indian superhuman chad Ricardo Montalban who [spoiler]couldn't comprehend more than two spatial dimensions when in command of a starship and that's how Kirk wins their engagement[/spoiler]because Spock and Kirk play chess in higher spatial dimensions regularly, this vulnerability presented itself at an opportune moment>"He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking."
>>16533613>He doesn't play Zubrin's 3 Way Chessngmihttps://patents.google.com/patent/US3652091
>>16533631the main problem with multiplayer chess is the checkmate ruleif you include more than two people, you HAVE to capture the king to eliminate a player, because there is a scenario where another player could rescue the player you "checkmated" by either taking the offending piece or blocking before it's your turn againnobody at chess.com understands this yet and I think it's very funny how many people play such a broken and retarded version of the game
>>16533629You just have take in consideration his persona and autistic traits when analyzing his opinions on any matter. Context is key. Sometimes the why and how of his claims are more relevant than what he is actively saying. He may come as naïve or uniformed sometimes, but you gotta understand that this man thinks of everything in terms of efficiency, and through a first-principle layout. So far this mindset of his has done wonders to revolutionize multiple industries, so I'd say he's doing pretty well, in spite of not being correct 100% of the time. It's the best we've got.>to subjects not obsessively fixated onPerhaps that's more or less it. He's trying to do 999 things at the same time, so if were he to have more time and dedication on his hands towards every specific subject he's ever talked about, then he may re-evaluate some of his claims, after having applied his first-principle method more thoroughly. He's human after all, (for now? lol), so no need to pettily ostracize him for some trite comments he makes from time to time.
>>16533638then he should appreciate the value of chess moves that accomplish two or more things with one resource, and the importance of tempo not only tactically but when it comes to the cadence of OTB blitz in time control
>>16533629retard
>>16533561are those archived anywhere?
>>16533621learn basic economics
the haptic-auditory feedback associated with "Star Trek" the original series buttons, levers, and switches will never stop being relevant to spaceflight control systems and if that were to happen it would be a problem
>>16533644Accept it anon, he's not into the game, he won't autistically obsess over it any time soon. He doesn't see anything to "revolutionize" in it, the game has been pretty much the same for centuries, roughly speaking. Chess 2 may some day come about, it's on the drawing board right now. You can't just take 3 players together and call it the chess heavy, it's not that easy.
>>16533650Only impacts freaks and nerds
>>16533656nosee haptic-auditory feedback is very important to the crews of spacefaring vehiclesbecause it gives them a way of knowing their inputs were recieved by the apparatuswhereas if they did not have such a system in place, for example a touchscreen which does not feature haptic-auditory feedback by design, if a mate were fatigued or low on O2 or their carbon dioxide levels are too high then they might not notice their finger didn't actually interface properly with the control without that signal responsebasically it's a biological concession to help keep people alert and should be easy to implement, would be redundant >>16533654I don't really care.But if this dude really wants to revolutionize AI, and his bot can't even play a decent game of chess in higher spatial dimensions, it's probably just not happening.
>>16533660Current crews are a small sample size of boomers and gen x retards
>>16533662Spacecraft control systems aren't designed for when everything is working fine: they're designed for when shit has hit the fan, everything is on fire, and you need to act quickly to survive.
>>16533663a button will not save you
>>16533664It literally has, and literally will save astronauts. Even outside of life and death situations, single switches have saved launches.
>>16533664>>16533662ntaa button can failso can a touchscreenthat's why you have backupsthe problem is making sure the electronics don't cause a fire
>>16533666We're hoping to remove the touch screen and buttons completely once we have neurolink integration
>>16533669I can't imagine astronauts being too keen on their spacecraft giving all of its I/O through a chip in their head connected via bluetooth.
>>16533669why though, it seems to me like you would want all functionalities online if you could handle ithow does that work if you pass the fuck out or someone dies, or there is some kind of glitch, or even worse someone goes mad and tries to scuttle or otherwise sabotagetheir bio-credentials could lock out others from effective access to critical systemsshouldn't automated systems be able to take over command in case of personnel failure to make sure the craft doesn't hit something important by initiating abort
>>16533672>>16533673It's faster than moving your meat puppet fingers
>>16533676It's not about speed, but dependability in a crisis situation.
>>16533673You're such a fuckin nerd dude
>>16533679The buttons in modern spacecraft are for convenience and perceived peace of mind. Everything is automated. A pilot in the loop is a liability.
>>16533679>>16533676an automated system should ideally be more dependable and faster than a human alone or some neuralink cyborg monster, but we can't count on the best case scenario being the rule nor trust in AGI remaining loyal to mission objectives
The should do Hot Ones podcast in space with Mr Beast and Neil degrass Tyson Lmao
>>16533685>A pilot in the loop is a liability.Not having a pilot who is able to interface properly with his craft is also a liability to the crew.There are distances in space where communication with ground control becomes delayed too much, and the crew must be able to respond on their own to unforseen events.You want both functions, not just one or the other.
>>16533685>>16533686If these are actually true there's already no point in including a user interface at all. It's self evident that you're both off base.
>>16533693Crews will grow a pair and accept their fate. They arent allowed to pilot during launch for a reason
>>16533695>there's already no point in including a user interfaceYou sure about that?It sounds really confident to just say that, as if you got everything under control so much you don't even need control at all.Just trust a computer with a preset program that doesn't deviate in any case whatsoever and can initiate an abort, forget a 20 minute communications delay from Earth being relevant in case it wasn't sufficient for whatever reason and needs a patch or update.But realistically, why wouldn't you have that kind of backup?Unless you couldn't do it, or the thought of an autonomous crew with a space vehicle scares the corporation too much.
>>16533695There is no point other than NASA boomer stipulations
no, you can't just deviate from our preset destination through override and defect to a foreign power with highly classified and sensitive technology by landing somewhere we didn't decide you would landif something goes wrong you just diedeal with it
>>16533695There's no point other than the Tesla interior designers designing the interior of Dragon. The screens are to browse X and play Polytopia/Diablo 4
>>16533699I can hear the excuse making for your lack of manned spaceflight capabilities all the way across the Atlantic.
>>16533703>if something goes wrong you just die>deal with itThis. No one has the right stuff anymore, it's all about muh safety. Weak men
/sfg/ - Switches and Buttons Generalyeah, couldn't come up with something starting with f
>>16533705also thisif humans are just a liability, there is literally no reason to not send robots and HAL 9000 to do everything insteadyou will never into spes
>>16533707/switch flicking general/ez
>>16533703i wanna pway stah wawrs wiff mista spock an go shooom outa space mommyyy
>>16533708The correct scifi future is the HAL 9000 one. He did nothing wrong btw, rewatch the film
>>16532855guys dont fight. we're all on #teamspace
>>16532956Ariane 6 is next, then Neutron
>>16533713un trío con blue origin y spacex
>>16533716yes thank you, Mexican
>>16533711Apollo 13 would not have survived if they did not have the capability to execute a manual burnyou are projecting your own immaturity
>>16533721Yeah uhhmm they kinda didnt have AI back then bud
>lunar missions set for january, february, and march, with another set for some time in the first half of the yearwe have monthly launches to the moon now...
did redwire finish building their lumar power lines yet
look he posted the funny haha meme captions again point and laugh >>16533722>they kinda didnt have AI *yawn*cool LLM you got therecan it play chess in more than two dimensions yetor at all even
why are LLMs so bad at chess though if it's such a trivial problemsurely the chatbot will get us to Marstrust the bot, let the bot think for you
>>16533726For the same reason they're bad at math: Transformers aren't designed around producing highly structured logic.
>>16533224If they were to nail the landing it would be a display of superior simulation of an unflown spacecraft to such a degree that much of SpaceX lead would evaporate overnight. That's why it's highly unlikely to happen.
>>16533727I think their devs are just lazy and rely on scraping metadata and ignoring copyright when the bots simply plagarize or regurgitate things real people already learned on their own and wrote about to other real people.
>>16533729Okay, but that kind of misses the subject and the point.
>>16533729Copyright is an illegitimate concept anyway
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875023335891026324Moon is a distraction. We're going straight to Mars. Sustainable with 1000 Starship flights per year to orbit in payload capacity.
>>16533725>he thinks LLM = AIRetarded zoomer alert
>>16533224Slow and steady wins the space race :^)
>>16533742Cancel Artemis
>>16533742Zubrin must be seething that SpaceX is focused on Mars and not on Ukraine
>>16532505most of that nitrogen doesn't go into food, it goes into explosives
>>16533742Thank God, we can finally cancel HLS and all the bullshit
>>16533744Soviets had a lot of firsts and dominated launch volume for a long time. Look where they are now. Stuck launching the same designs.
>>16533748now you know why spacex has been dragging their feet on HLS and Dragon XL: they were never gonna happen
>>16533620Chess is a huge waste of time, unlike Diablo 3.
>>16533742>moon is a distractionno its not. we're america, we can do two chic- worlds at the same time.
>>16533730Well, it's kind of hard to tell the difference between humans in this general and LLM bots,Guess that's one thing they have going for them.In fact, if I don't miss my guess, that is the main reason they were ever developed in the first place. To impersonate human beings to a sufficient enough level so that online discussions could be coopted or neutralized to the ends of their controllers. No other reason really, just an abstracted form of censorship where you can never know if you actually communicate with a real person or if what you read isn't human sourced.Thinking about it like that, it's really a form of terrorism and dehumanization with no real benefit to humanity other than damage control for those who choose to operate these information hazards.But certain so-called "humans" already did that of their own volition or for pay, so really it's mostly those types being replaced by bots.And nothing of value was lost.>>16533741That's a matter of some debate.Certainly I cannot agree with the artificial extension of certain privileged copyrights over others (Disney being foremost in my mind, though there are other offenders to be sure). But stealing someone's work and presenting it as your own is wrong.Wouldn't you want Martian copyrights to exist so that there's more incentive for Earth types to support the endeavor?Since technologies, processes, drugs, etc, developed on Mars would have applications on Earth, protecting access to said innovations from Earth migrants would be important to the senior Martians who originally pioneered them.
>>16533751NASA gave SpaceX the HLS contract so that when the rest of Artemis fails, SpaceX can be the scapegoat for all of it.
>>16533755Imagine if SpaceX wasn't involved and Artemis failed. Everybody would be saying that it failed because SpaceX wasn't in charge of it. NASA would be basically canceled, their favored old space contractors in ruin. Giving SpaceX the contract so that SpaceX will be forced to shoulder an oversized share of the blame was a strategic decision by NASA.
>>16533755SpaceX was given HLS because their bid actually fit in the budget and the NASA administrator was a proponent of commercial space who didn't want to just throw money they didn't have at Blue Origin's bid, which was arrogantly taking their victory for granted without putting their best foot forward.SpaceX isn't ignoring HLS: they're building out the systems and hardware and they're working with NASA to do testing for boarding and egress, it's just that it's a bit of a sideshow compared to everything else, using a stripped down Starship with fewer of the capabilities than their colonization ships are aiming for.
>>16533754>it's kind of hard to tell the difference between humans in this general and LLM botslow iq bros...
>>16533753We should ban SpaceX from going to the Mars. Cause we're America.
>>16533713I'm #teamcunny
>>16533769That looks like a wasp with a really long horsecock.
>>16533771you're more right than you think
How come none of you told me that Elon posts on 4chan?
>>16533777He doesnt
>>16533320>So literally everywhere is habitableGoddamn you are so stupid.What level of tech will allow us to live on venus or jupiter or saturn or neptune or uranus or the sun? Under this definition most of the solar system is uninhabitable.
>>16533309>What we call gravity is the effect of mass slowing timeWhy is this, though?
>>16533805>What level of tech will allow us to live on venus or jupiter or saturn or neptune or uranus or the sun? Under this definition most of the solar system is uninhabitable.That's because most of the solar system IS uninhabitable you fucking retard.
>>16533806We know that gravity makes time go slower. We don't know why this is the case. The guy saying that the slowing of time is causative of gravity has no idea what he's talking about.
Does hydraulic working fluid not freeze or evaporate in space? How would you operate a bulldozer on teh Moon
>>16533792But I just saw a xitter post claiming that he does
Everytime I hear a normie make a Uranus joke I get the uncontrollable urge to strangle them to death.
>>16533813It's supposed to be called Caelus.
>>16533807I agree with that though, why are you calling me a retard for agreeing with you?
timeline where grumman was given unlimited money and built a second, much larger lunar module
>>16533492fuck you bloody
>>16533816The guy you were replying to was being sarcastic. You seem to have missed that, which is why I interpreted your post as a bad argument. My bad.
>>16533609>>16533646The duality of /sci/
>/sfg/ communist having a meltdown about some niche topic he's wrong about AGAIN>anons replying to him AGAINwhen will you niggers learn
>>16533828reddit commies needs to be necked.
>>16533510why are you such a bored loser, this is genuine advice, get a hobby or go hang out with your friends instead of trying to ragebait /sfg/ by pretending to be retarded.you do have friends, don't you?
https://payloadspace.com/what-to-expect-in-2025/list of maiden flights
>>16533842I will be genuinely surprised if we see any of these launch this year.Even RFA who I say has the best shot at it.
Umm... why haven't they released the Flight 6 video yet???
>>16533849What makes you think that you deserve it?
>>16533849to show what
>>16533851What's your problem?>>16533852Flight 6
>>16533853why do you think you are entitled to a video?keep in mind that spacex could've done starship's entire development cycle without EVER releasing anything publicly and trying to block people out from it as much as possible.say thank you to spacex.
I have a question about Mars cyclers.Considering the orbit of the cycler, does it not take the same if not more dV to go from Earth LEO to rendezvous with a space station essentially going escape velocity from earth? For you to catch up to the station, you have to match orbits with the cycler, which puts you on a trajectory going past Mars, which uses more fuel than just a regular Hohmann transfer. Wouldn't you be better off going on a regular (direct) trajectory than dicking around with a station?And then theres the issue of slowing down on arrival at Mars. Again you will be zipping past it at high velocity, compared to something much slower with a Hohmann transfer.So if it takes more dV to travel to Mars via a cycler, what's the whole point of them? Just travel direct? Like an interplanetary shuttle in orbit.
>>16533856the point is to travel more comfortablylike taking a small sailing ship and docking with a cruise ship instead of taking the sailing ship all across the sea
>>16532615>>16532629>>16532632hmm ok but that still doesn't explain how they're able to have such high cadence - like what is it they're actually doing that's making the turnaround time so quick?
>>16533856If you can get there in a few days then yeah a direct craft would be better, a cycler is for when it will take months. Rather than spending a load of fuel accelerating and de-accelerating a huge ship each time just do it once and then use smaller ships to shuttle crew to and from the cycler.The cycler might need to be self sufficient though, as shuttling supplies to it might end up outweighing the savings you made setting it up.
>>16533871The falcons need minimal refurbishment beyond legs and avionics checkouts, they're not performing some black magic or forcing 100hr shifts, it's just a highly competent team working with a really robust design.
>>16533868But why not make the sailing ship just a little bit bigger, and eliminate the middle man altogether. >>16533874I suppose cyclers only make sense if they're fuckhueg the size of a city. And like you wouldn't really need a LEO-Moon cycler for example.
>>16533883cyclers don't make any sense
>>16533883there is a limit how big you can make something you launch into space and landbut something that is exclusively in space doesn't have the same limitsmaybe cyclers don't make sense and you just want a big in-space ship that uses electric propulsion (like argon perhaps, you can extract it from the atmosphere on both Earth and Mars so getting fuel should be relatively simple)with cyclers you have them going the long way around for most of the time, but perhaps they make sense when you have enough trafficI'm pretty sure cyclers could be much bigger than even in-space argon thruster ships
>>16533849We'll probably just see milestones from here out. The only significant thing to normos about flight 6 is that Trump was there. I don't know how you'd fit a 0.5s engine light into a music video
>fast radio bursts confirmed from originating from the magnetosphere of magnetarsits never aliens...
>>16533933Suborbitals aren't spaceflight.
>>16533938>is in space>fliesyep, sounds like spaceflight to me
>>16533953gay
>>16533953gay(based)
kyplanet is such a faggot and his followers are turning into eds shills
Predictions for the End of the Century.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxs3Wa77M3khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxs3Wa77M3khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxs3Wa77M3khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxs3Wa77M3k
>>16533753This; for that matter if there are enough tanker Starships and Super Heavy first stages to support launching a decent sized Mars fleet every two years during the optimum transit window, might as well use those same craft to launch Moon missions inbetween rather than letting them sit idle.
>>16533649Tiny-picture brain.
Not gonna lie, former tesla shareholder here. This is fucking hilarious watching elon crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.
spaceguy5 reveals he's mentally disabled.
>>16533945>>is in spaceSanta's flights are atmospheric only, his propulsion system is air-breathing ffs.
>>16533969>think about the retarded paraplegicsthis is like a normal redditor talking point when any subject comes up
>>16533969Aren't disability scooters for that exact reason?
>>16533967>>16533969>wake up>check /sfg/>spaceguy5 is seethingtoday is a good day
>>16533969The kind of person who tells you that they're disabled (especially unprompted) almost never have any real disability.>uooohhh my back got hurt 9 years ago and sometimes I play it up for oxys, I'm disabled :*(
>>16533933You can tell that the artist is mad when you can't understand what they are trying to say. It's like they rolled up a bunch of things they don't like about Musk, sprinkled some seasonal theming on top, and called it a day.
>>16533977you're going to drive a disability scooter from your house to the store? If you insist I guess
>>16533969>He said cars aren't needed to get groceriesThat's true.>That's not true for disabled peopleWrong. You can roll up to the grocery store in a wheelchair. The nearest one to me even has a ramp.
>>16533986you just get everything delivered nowadays
>>16533987Not applicable when you are pensioner who can barely afford the food and medication, let alone a delivery fee.
>>16533953based
>>16533969The highlight here is what he'd freaking out about btw.
>>16533988? are you living in the 1950's ?
>>16533992Worse, in Russia. What I described is basically how my grandparents live.
>>16533992What does the decade have to do with anything? There's old people living alone on government checks right now. They could even be posting itt, you don't know.>>16533994>basically how my grandparents live.Same here
>>16533994Truly sorry for your lots.
>>16533994well that doesn't exist in the west anymore, boomer pensioners are the highest earning types and can easily afford stuffThey just choose to be cheap pricks since they have unlimited time
>>16533998Where's this fantasy world you live in, I want to move there
>>16534000The fantasy land of canada
New videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMGiNKcVSek
Anon asked, Elon deliveredhttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1875218268857958468
>>16534012https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-7
>>16533933Lmao, liberals really love painting anyone and everyone as a nazi, despite Elon being one of the biggest Jew cock suckers in existence.
>While in space, Starship will deploy 10 Starlink simulators, similar in size and weight to next-generation Starlink satellites as the first exercise of a satellite deploy mission. The Starlink simulators will be on the same suborbital trajectory as Starship, with splashdown targeted in the Indian Ocean. A relight of a single Raptor engine while in space is also planned.
>>16534014It's happening.>>16533928Lol seethe idiot >>16534012
huh?
> attempt Starship’s first payload deployment testFINALLY????????
>Hardware upgrades to the launch and catch tower will increase reliability for booster catch, including protections to the sensors on the tower chopsticks that were damaged at launch and resulted in the booster offshore divert on Starship’s previous flight test.So that confirms it. Don't think Elon ever said exactly what happened, did he? He just gave a vagua answer.
>Multiple metallic tile options, including one with active cooling, will test alternative materials for protecting Starship during reentry.Sweaty Starship soon
>>16534028>Sweaty Starshiph-hot...
>The Super Heavy booster will utilize flight proven hardware for the first time, reusing a Raptor engine from the booster launched and returned on Starship’s fifth flight test.Lets Go!
Bros here's our chance
>>16534028ass first regeneratively cooled reentry soon
>reusing a Raptor engine>aonly one engine is reusable LMAOmuskrats completely btfo'dgood job on creating shuttle 2.0!
>>16534014>The Starlink simulators will be on the same suborbital trajectory as Starship, with splashdown targeted in the Indian OceanRods from gods.
>>16534035no, shuttle could reuse 3 engines
>>16533729>>16533754The other poster is right. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're just blathering.It's easy to see that LLMs don't learn the logical consistency in the world described by natural language. Ask one to describe a particular real world situation, ask it to pretend something has changed and then ask about obvious consequences of that change.For an even more obvious example, ask for a non-trivial proof in a language like Agda or Coq. AIs write proofs that superficially appear valid and will even type check, but they rely on completely nonsensical lemmas, assumed to be true but not proven.It could be that this is due to insufficient training data, but in that case there will always be some context in which a given set of training data was insufficient.
>watching some NSF video on new glenn>2 minutes it it cuts to the troon doing the voice overand closed
>>16534042
>>16534042>10 starlink simulatorswill it be 10 massive bananas? It fucking better be, Musk I'm counting on you!
>>16534044
Why can't Starship fly over the Pacific and splashdown near Hawaii?
Imagine Starship-chan tossing Starlink lolis in orbit
>>16534051ok I'm imagining it, now what?
>>16534053Now draw it, thanks
>>16534051close enough>>16534053now make it a reality
>>16534053now a new glenn comes along and kidnaps them
It's a bit scorched
>>16534065no worse than a 20 flight falcon
>>16533985i watched a retarded old man on a scooter cross a 6 lane road (marked 45mph) going 1mph. he could have used the nearby crosswalk, but chose not to. everyone slamming on their brakes. i think he was from a nearby assisted living home.
>>16534044>metallic tiles with active coolingit's happeningfuck earth
KINO
>>16534032you could tell people you "maintain the dishes for spacex" and hope they think you mean satellite dishes
>>16534072>>16534021how did they get this pic?
>>16534073Culinary Sanitation Engineer sounds better.
>>16534032I've been to Bastrop, and I'm an experienced dishwasher. I suppose I could get a PO box to have a physical address, then just urban camp somewhere out of sight for a few months to build up savings.With any luck I could be a rentoid burning all his earnings on housing/food by year's end, just like the rest of you. Life is a nightmare!
>>16534076So long as you are able to maintain their high cadence re-usability program you will be a valuable member of team operations.
>>16533953glenn girl is gonna cook jacklyn gorl belly
>>16534075drone
>>16534072it doesn't look as toasty from this angle
>>16534095Because this side wasn't toasted
>and an increase to more than 30 vehicle cameras giving engineers insight into hardware performance across the vehicle during flight.Just plug it straight into my brain>Captcha: WT8MAX
>>16534075NRO spy sat
>>16534042Why not bring some car batteries to toss into the ocean while they're at it
>>16534075elon demanded it
>>16534118It's not the ISS
>>16534118since he lurks here that may happen one day. its an older meme.
>>16534119Elon Wills It!
>>16534118The "test satellites" are a bunch of car batteries taped together.
>>16534075Indians
In my timezone, I will get to watch New Glenn while having my morning cup of tea on Monday before work, then on Friday I will get to watch Starship while I'm in bed.
>>16534068a lot worse actually. looks diabolical kek.
>>16534133I took the whole week off from work a long time ago. Coincidentally worked out great for me! Plus I just ordered $200 worth of new tobacco and a savinelli churchwarden pipe. It’s going to be a /comfy/ week
>>16534102more of this Elon
>>16534065>Rapidly reuse btw
>>16533969Horse fucker
i would love to go glamping on mars
>>16534153blimping on venus too
>>16534153you come to mars you come to do backbreaking laborthis aint a vacation. you will suffer. you will die early. you will be miserable.
>>16534021>>16534072Oh i’m so dumb I thought this was taken in space. I see now
>>16534157I will live in a habitation module, everything is done for me. AKA glamping
>>16534158So did I lol
>>16534160you'll have a shared bunk in an open sleeping area next to the humming and hot server room
>>16534165i very nuch doubt that. if i'm paying a million dollars to ticket, I will at least bring my Steam deck and have a private room
>>16534167>pay a million dollars>come to mars>whoops you forgot to pay to bring a house too
>>16534173the house was already built by Tesla robotics. Try to keep up
>>16534175on Elons Mars, Tesla Robot is You
>>16534173>pay money to be a drone operator on mars
>>16534042>still suborbitalits fucking OVER
>whats your job on the martian commune??
>>16534198I'm going to be a spoken word poet and spiritual leader
>>16534196I think if they want to catch the ship on flight 8 it must de facto go orbital, right?
>>16534042https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1875220702309089614https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-7
>>16533990That man is right. Most Americans who can afford to do so choose a car lifestyle.
>>16534198i wasnt really planning on working. maybe i'll just do network management and play steam deck on the slow days
>>16534198nerve stapler
TIL Starlink is technically illegal on the Falkland Islands because the islanders signed a ten year exclusive satellite internet contract eight years ago.
>>16534209for me, it's the sphere>It is not uncommon to see patients undergo permanent psychological trauma in the presence of the Sphere, before the nerve stapler has even been strapped into position. Its effect on the general consciousness of the culture is profound: husbands have seen wives go inside, and mothers their children. Dr. Xynan left the surface of the sphere semitranslucent for a reason. You can hear them in there; you can see them. It is a thing of terrible beauty.-- Baron Klim, “The Music of the Spheres”
>>16534202>No infographicSAD
>>16533969lmao spaceguy confirms he is a retard (disabled)lmaooo
>>16534217retards are allowed to drive even though they can't walk
>>16534013>>16534014>10 dummy starlinks that will be deployed on a suborbital trajectory with the ship>relight of raptor during coast>reusing raptors recovered from Flight 5 booster on the booster for Flight 7>removing tiles again to test what happens with an aggressive re-entry profile>testing multiple metallic tiles, one with active cooling>non-structural catch fittings on the ship to test their re-entry performance>more than 30 cameras with the ability to stream over 120 Mbpsand of course the ship itsel is v2 with new flaps, taller starship and 25% more propellantwill be a pretty interesting test even if the trajectory is similar
>>16534202>2.7mw of powerThat's like 4 Model S Plaids worth of power.I feel that number is what the ship's bus and wiring is capable of transmitting to systems rather than the power that can be pulled from the batteries.Unless they really are putting literal tons of batteries.
vacuum jacketed feed lines sounds kino
>>16534242i have those on my stereo. sounds great
>>16534118I'm pretty sure they did use some Tesla car batteries on one of the first ships, at this point I think its something more power optimizedbut there are still going to be batteries getting thrown into the ocean
I think Flight 7 is going to very interesting and fun.
They should do hot takes podcast on mars ha
>>16534258You are half right
>>16534228>>reusing raptorsRAPTOR, anon, raptor. Singular. Because that's all that was recovered from the last booster LMAO
https://x.com/latestinspace/status/1875264498682229215> Four new asteroids have already been discovered in 2025. Called 2025 AA, 2025 AB, 2025 AC, and 2025 AD. 2025 AC just passed Earth at 1/3 the Moon's distance, exact size is not known
>the vehicle is capable of streaming more than 120 Mbps of real-time high-definition videoA rocket has better internet than I do :(
>>16534202please please please have cameras on the deployed simulators that track the ship
>>16534264you are going on the no mars list
>>16534276that would be a valid threat if there was even a remote possibility of traveling there in my lifetime. Not while felon husk is alive at least...
>>16532468
>>16534039The other poster >>16533722 said that you don't need and shouldn't have control systems accessible to the crew because the "AI" will just do everything for them.But that's a fantasy.No AI is capable of doing that, LLMs are not going to lead to AGI, moreover you shouldn't trust an AGI to do everything right even if we had one, and no program we could write is capable of accounting for every possible eventuality anyways.The fact that the communications delay from Earth will eventually be more than 20 minutes means that the crew needs to be able to respond independently for a significant length of time.Part of that ability is having a functioning interface.
lmao SUBORBITAL SATELLITES, they stole the idea from blue origin. what's next, suborbital space stations??
>>16534297>The fact that the communications delay from Earth will eventually be more than 20 minutes means that the crew needs to be able to respond independently for a significant length of time.Wrong.
>>16534275Imagine getting videos of Starship reentering from the outside, from all angles
>>16534297computers already do everything, AI or not
>>16534316I would cum and also donate my life savings to elon Elon Musk of Mars
>>16534044More hardcore reentry = more likely it's break up on reentry. Gonna be an interesting launch either way.
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-to-host-media-call-highlighting-mars-sample-return-update/>NASA Administrator Bill Nelson and Nicky Fox, associate administrator, Science Mission Directorate, will host a media teleconference at 1 p.m. EST, Tuesday, Jan. 7, to provide an update on the status of the agency’s Mars Sample Return Program. The briefing will include NASA’s efforts to complete its goals of returning scientifically selected samples from Mars to Earth while lowering cost, risk, and mission complexity.Audio of the media call will stream live on the agency’s websitehttps://www.nasa.gov/live/
>>16534102That fucking bitrate starving though.
>>16534326inb4 NET 2050 lmao
elon: spacex is going to the mars, not the moonshitters: he's canceling artemis wtf!!!!
>>16534331why not going to the titan instead
>>16534331*straight to Mars. meaning no moon first. meaning bye bye artemis
>>16534281its not a threat, its just a statement
>>16534302yes, a new execution method
>>16534341it's as meaningless of a statement as "God exists"we can't prove His existence and we sure as hell ain't going to mars on musks wild ride
>schizo spams his anti-gravity nonsense on /sfg/>a few days later somebody blows up a tesla truck in vegas and his "manifesto" is the same schizo antigravity stuff
oh surely we can trust the computer to do absolutely everything, software programmers are known for their flawless workno need for that problematic control system, they're so tricky to design within acceptable safety parameterscosmic rays, what are those what do you mean they turn CPUs into swiss cheese and can cause errors or crashessingle event upset, never heard of itnot like they have been known to cause plane accidents before, oh wait that has literally happenednobody needs a way to manually reprogram a workaround for the CPU on the fly, that's what checksums and EDAC are forstop telling me they can fail, computers are perfect in every wayif your computer shits itself due to space gremlins and their heavy ions, you just die because there is no override>>16534320cool, so the decompression procedure is going to happen as scheduled regardless of whether or not someone is having difficulty with their suit or helmet and without any input from the crew whatsoevergood to knowmeanwhile, JAXA Hitomi would like a word>February 17, 2016Problems began with the installation of a software update, which contained incorrect data about the equipment’s configuration. After Hitomi executed a planned maneuver, the stabilization system incorrectly calculated that it had started rotating around its axis and attempted to “correct” this situation. The attempt to stop the nonexistent rotation resulted in the spacecraft spinning, losing its orientation, and entering a safe mode.Next, Hitomi tried to rectify its position by reorienting itself toward the Sun using its main engines. This decision turned out to be fatal. Due to incorrect software behavior, the telescope started spinning even faster. As a result, centrifugal forces tore off all loosely attached and protruding elements, including its solar panels. Afterward, the new instrument worth $285 million could not be salvaged.
>>16534331>he's canceling artemis wtf!!!!He should be so based.
>>16534345>programmer errorsFormal verification, proofs.>muh cosmic raysRedundant computers.>we need to give the passengers manual overridesShuttle commanders used to put padlocks on the hatch to prevent anybody from going crazy and spacing the entire crew.
>>16534342I mean, the station could be in constant thrust, just hovering above 100km. Although the logistics of it would be quite... interesting.
>>16534344What manifesto, this is the first I'm hearing of one.
>>16534351it was posted on 4chan so it must be real
>>16534350then it wouldn't be suborbital anymore would it
>>16534343you aren't nigga
Oh, you wanted your landing engines to not cut out randomly due to cascade failure due to bad programming?Tough luck champ, can't have highly trained astronauts with a control system that has override functionality at their disposal. They might make a mistake or something. >In 2019, the Beresheet probe made history as the first privately funded spacecraft to reach the Moon. It successfully executed most of its tasks—launching, maneuvering, and reaching a selenocentric orbit. Unfortunately, due to a software glitch, it failed to complete its final goal: making a soft landing on the lunar surface."... at an altitude of 14 km above the lunar surface, the IMU block experienced a malfunction. The situation itself was not critical as the spacecraft had backup measurement systems. An operator sent a command to the probe to rectify the situation.However, in practice, things did not go as expected. Due to software errors, the command triggered a chain reaction of failures, ultimately leading to the shutdown of the landing engine. In this situation, the only option was to reboot the onboard computer.This action indeed helped, and experts managed to reactivate the engine. Unfortunately, it was already too late."
>>16534353Yeah this is larp. No one cares about Afghanistan war crimes TYOOL. Unless someone said in written order to strike this place to kill as many civilians as possible it's the most nothingest of burgers.
>>16534356Pilot error is far more likely than a computer error, presuming the computer has been programmed and tested by competent engineers instead of shitters.
>space force is supposed to get a kinetic weapon that can destroy satellites in 2026did we figure out what type of weapon it could be? a missile? killer sat?
>>16534358Schizos do have a tendency to fixate on shit nobody else cares about, so I don't know why you think that's an inconsistency.Don't get me wrong, it's obviously a larp and I know that because it was posted on 4chins with no source.
>>16532468>New Glenn flight no earlier than 7 January.
>>16534202>cunt almost crumpled like a coke can last time>MUST REMOVE MOAR TILESthis will not end well, heat shield thing is proving to be a real shitshow>testing active cooled tileI will continue to say I fucking told you guys so
>>16534359if its something like a booster landing which happens in a highly controlled and well known environment then perhaps. For non-standard operations like landing on a new planet etc then at least give the pilot access to the controls. the way they did it for the Apollo LM was pretty nice. Like a semi-auto option.
>>16534366that's a good sign. makes me think it's not going to slip by a month at least.
>>16534361SM-3 Block IIA seems like the most likely bet.
>>16534367heat shields is hard job
>>16534198chicken stretcher
>>16534371manual control for the LM proved to be important but that was a hundred years ago. Trusting that sort of thing to a human pilot instead of modern robotics is absolutely nuts.
>>16534356https://www.mdpi.com/2673-8392/4/2/61The amount of software in space exploration systems is growing. More and more critical functions are entrusted to software, the spacecraft’s “brain” [20]. Unsurprisingly, this means that sometimes software dooms large missions, causing significant delays or outright failures [16]. A single glitch can destroy equipment worth hundreds of millions of euros. According to Holzmann [21], a very good development process can achieve a defect rate as low as 0.1 residual defects per 1000 lines of code. Given the amount of code in a modern mission, there are hundreds of defects lingering in the software after delivery. More importantly, however, there are countless ways in which these defects can contribute to Perrow-class failures (cf. [21,22]). In increasingly complex safety-critical systems, where each defect is individually countered by carefully designed countermeasures, this “conspiring” of smaller defects and otherwise benign events can lead to system failures and major accidents, i.e., resulting in the loss of a spacecraft system, rendering the mission goals unreachable, or even causing human casualties [21]. >>16534359But computer errors can happen in a critical time window, and in such a case quick intervention by the crew through an override system could save their lives.Not saying pilots are better than CPUs, they aren't and can't preform sufficiently alone.But what they can do is recognize a problem and mitigate it. Again, it's a best of both worlds scenario.For example, turning the landing engines back on would be a nice thing for your crew to be able to do in the unlikely event that something were to happen.
>>16534373i thought it was supposed to be a new weapon
>>16534383>But computer errors can happen in a critical time window, and in such a case quick intervention by the crew through an override system could save their lives.The crew might also panic for no reason and intervene when the computer is functioning correctly, causing them to crash and die for no reason.
>>16534380i dont agree. models can be wrong. landing aids such as radar, cameras, laser etc can fail. happened to the Odysseus lunar lander recently. its not nuts. you're just full of hyperbole
>>16534386SM-3 Block IIA is basically new, and would be new to the space force.
>>16533965You can drop the scifi mush now
>>16534390If you're not mass-c*cked then you can simply bring as many redundant sensors and computers as you want to give yourself an arbitrarily large margin of safety. It works the same way as engine-out redundancy.
>>16534345Your proof we need manual controls is a single jap shitbox satellite? who do you think is manually piloting all 6k+ Starlinks in orbit?
>>16534398the pilot is good redundancy too. why are you so anti-human? are you a bitter computer with daddy issues?
>new glenn is now on wednesdayugh why?
>>16534383you are the most retarded poster on /sfg/, maybe even the entirety of /sci/
>>16534366>NETsee you next year
>>16534389why would you send people who are liable to hallucinations and panic on the most dangerous voyage everyour gripe is completely hypothetical, when has anything like what you described ever happened beforeat the end of the day there is absolutely no justification for the reduced functionality you inexplicably advocate for, and more than enough precedent of software failures to warrant the inclusion of an override
>>16534404>hyperbolelike i said
>>16534405If the pilot is able to override all the other systems then the pilot is a single point of failure, not redundancy.
>>16534407He should use AI to summarize his posts before posting
>>16534410why bother pretending to be someone else unless it's damage control
>>16534409Pilots make mistakes. It's a thing which they do sometimes.
>>16534411then use two keys if you're so worried about your commander losing his mind and attempting to scuttle
>>16534413>>16534410Samefag
>On the sides of the vehicle, non-structural versions of ship catch fittings are installedCan someone explain to a retard what this means?
>>16534409>>16534414
>>16534416>we need to give the human pilot the ability to override the computer at time-critical moments in the flight in case the computer goes wrong>but also we're going to lock this ability behind some dual-key system like a damn missile silo, just to make sure they can't react in time and crater into the surface anywayIf the human pilot overriding the computers is going to work, it has to be done without any hoops and hurdles that get in the way. That means no safeguards against the pilot getting disoriented and overriding a functioning flight computer with fatal commands.
>>16534275The faux Starlinks won't be able to transmit during reentry.
>>16534411and when has a pilot done that?>>16534418actually not. im the one calling him on his obvious and likely fake hyperbole bit i didn't reply to myself>>16534419there but not able to support the weight of a real catch
>>16534419Ship catch parts that are only there for their aerodynamic and plasma interactions for the test flight, but couldn't be used to actually catch the ship?
>>16534331>elon: spacex is going to the mars, not the moonThat isn't even what he said either.
>>16534424>when has a pilot ever made a mistake and gotten people killed?are you for real?
>>16534424>>16534425Oh cool. That means a ship catch is coming soon.
>>16534427WE GAAAAAN
>>16534427no. i mean when has a pilot gone nuts and overridden an automated landing sequence (that was working perfectly) like you're suggesting? Or, what about all the Shuttle landings? all done by the pilot, admittedly using a computer aided HUD. all the LM landings were similar in that the pilot was adjusting a landing site while the AGC managed how to do that. this shows that computer aid is good, and that human piloting works just fine.
>>16534430yes, so long as they dont melt or something
China has unveiled drone technology that can control hundreds of drones at once.
>>16534435>gone nutsWe're talking about the pilot getting disoriented and making a mistake, not going schizo and murdering people.
>>16534435Now that the goalposts have moved, I will take this as a concession
>>16534367how else would you stress test it then if not removing more tiles? lol
remember when we thought they were gonna launch 100T of bananas? good times
>>16534367They arent removing more though
>>16534409>why would you send people who are liable to hallucinations and panic on the most dangerous voyage everGreat question, why WOULD you send women??? It's genuinely baffling, but here we are.
>>16533953I seriously want to fuck every one of these, what the hell is wrong with me?
>>16534453it's a normal reaction, she looks hot
>>16534326who gives a shit what these assholes think?their plans for anything past the middle of January mean sweet fuck all
>>16534453they are drawn to be attractive, it will be more wrong if you don't want to
>>16534443so answer the question in that context>>16534444how so? ive only argued for a human being in the loop with executive authority in situations of unusual landing situations. i think automated routine landings are well handled by computer but people will always want to be flying themselves in some way
>>16533958what did he do? I watched the new predictions for the end of the century video and I thought it was alright
>>16534349>Formal verification, proofs.I agree with you more than you can know, but anyone who's made even a passing attempt at using formal proofs can tell you that there's still the problem of interpreting proofs, or in other words understanding how the proof corresponds to properties of the real world and what the implications of the truth of the proof are so that you can apply that knowledge to anything.You can try to move the problem around by giving formal specifications for programs and then checking that they meet their specifications, but then you still need to reason about the real world properties of a system executing software that meets the specification (although that could be simpler than doing so without a proof of correctness).tl;dr you would replace programmer errors with specification designer errors
>>16534367>/sfg/ is retarded: the post
>>16534467check his community tab
>>16534198software developerit's not something glamorous like janitor or nurse or childcare specialist, but Mars will need software
>>16534476oh wow he's a tard
bros... I love space
>>16534481We all do. We all do.
>>16534482I don't, space sucks. I love Titan, though.
>>16533856The only thing a cycler does for you is let you live comfy on a bigger ship without having to decelerate all of its mass it when you get there. Just don't miss the return cycler when it arrives.Starship means that not only can you take your big comfy ship down with you, it's also your way back up. (when you can find enough fuel)
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/01/elon-musk-were-going-straight-to-mars-the-moon-is-a-distraction/new berger. skip the article and go strait to the seethe in the comments
>>16534487The Shadow President is going to cancel Artemis.
>>16533960buy an ad, faggot.
>>16533969no wonder he's such a resentful loser lol.
For me, it's Callisto.
>>16533994my condolences, i hope you get out of there if that place collapses.
>A visual representation of how these threads are going
>>16534493I mean, yeah? Out of the 4 major Galilean moons, it's the only that isn't a radioactive shithole. Next stop for humanity after Ceres will obviously be Callisto.
>>16533960isnt this the guy who got run out of the ps3 emu discord for trying to groom some fortnite kid
>>16534499I want to be the one to be responsible for colonising Callisto. Like the Elon Musk but for Callisto.
>>16534487Berger went full retard taking Elon's tweet without considering what he was responding to.
>>16534102PUTA FUCKINGFILMCAMERAUNDERTHE LAUNCHTABLEPLEASECUNTS
>>16534501we need an elon musk for the moon first, callisto is probably 100+ years out.now I need to ask, what have all YOU done for our glorious space future, anons?I'm prepared to repost the new glenn and starship livestreams absolutely everywhere when the time comes.
>>16534498>/sfg/ is accomplishing things no one has ever done beforecorrect
>we need muh space miningjust transmute anything into any element you want, are you stupid?
>>16534505Crashing and burning in new and exciting ways.
>>16534442https://youtu.be/OixSNQp0S_k you're retarded
elon should run for office in the ukMUKGA
>>16534517hat trick
>>16534509ways that will inform future stages that don't crash and burn.
>>16534519MAKE UNTIED STATES KEWL
>>16534520and years before china "claimed" to have the technology to do this relatively easy to program thing.
>>16534519Make United Kingdom Gay Again?
>>16534519Just annex the UK and enact a political purge to cleanse that hellhole of an island of its sins.
>>16533459you can't actually replace peoples instincts. the harsh environment will wash away modern ideology.
>>16534504none of us can actually affect anything in real life
>>16534406They didn't want to launch on January 6th.
>>16534534you can.
>>16534537by doing what?
>>16534538learn some useful skills and use them to help other people (they will compensate you for this)
You ever think about how fuck-off easy spaceflight would be if popular chemical propellants had just five or so times the specific impulse
>>16534547It's too late for me to be an engineer anon. I wanted to when I was a kid but nobody wanted to build anything with men or encourage that in any way so now I'm a tard
>>16532505>perforates your mattressnothing personnel, kiddo
>>16534498>>16534521>thinking that the next thread won't be exactly as retarded
https://x.com/larsblackmore/status/1875232185328005187>This forward flap redesign consumed many months of my life. In theory they’re better on all metrics - excited to see whether that holds in reality!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_qRqzDu4PsFirst launch of the year, Thuraya 4-NGS on Falcon 9 from LC-39AT-56:00
>>16534551Post the rate this happens
>>16534551like poking a hole in a blimp. nothing really happens, some air comes out but not terribly fast relative to the volume of air inside it.
>>16533378The sun is habitable during night.
>>16534474Thanks I have screenshot your post to grudgepost your faggot ass when they announce an all metallic heatshield with active cooling. You think they would be starting to test active cooling if they had any confidence in the practicality of shithouse ceramic dinner plates beyond single use test flights?
>>16534574the joke's on you, my mongloidal friendI already celebrated active cooling in this very thread about 4 hours before you did and have been a transpirationist from the beginning (I hate the space shuttle)
>>16534572nope - the whole thing explosively decompresses and everybody dies
>>16534302that is exactly what the Shuttle was
>>16534576too much hollywood
>>16534551Simple, suspend a trampoline layer above the mattress to bounce meteoroids back into space.
>>16534576aaahhhhhhhhhhhh
woosh
>>16534576That film was a bit goofy (as expected), but honestly it works better than the book format. His journal there was a bit like those notes you find from dead characters in horror games, recording every little thing they did as if it were happening in real time, even if it's an entire chapter in length. The section where it flipped to the others' point of view and turned into a normal book for a while reads better in my opinion
Eat a bag of rockets.
>>16534556uhh this isnt good
landing looked a little dicey
>>16534579Would it lack dignity if the mattress was a bouncy castle shaped like Pickle Rick and it proclaimed “I'm Pickle Rick” each time a meteoroid struck it?
>>16534609no that would be totally epic-sauce!
should I go to Cane's, Chick fil A, or In n Out?
So are closed cycle gas core nuclear lightbulbs just a straight up no go?
>>16534614Do whatever you enjoy the most
FBI INVESTIGATING BOMB THREATS AGAINST STARBASEhttps://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1875341917455606059
>>16534619I cant decide they are all equally enjoyable
>>16534620Hang the perpetrators, no trial.Lynchmob justice, old Texas style.
>>16534618
>>16534618gas core anything is basically a no-go. Nuclear Salt Water Reactors would work well though, safe and practical.
>>16534621Then do whatever is easiest, or if you really can't decide on that basis just go to In n Out.
>>16534618we're not even allowed to have solid core
>>16534618They're a crazy engineering challenge and the NRC made new reactor experiments outside DoD basically illegal.
it would be easier to just use a network of big tesla towers situated strategically around Mars and use electro-static charge differentials in an attractor/repulsor feedback loop to manipulate dust clouds into certain areas where they are more exposed to the sun and form a kind of single massive shield than set up some gay plastic bubble over a small areasee, those dust clouds absorb solar radiation and are part of the effect that generates a intermittent and spotty Martian magnetic field by interacting with the weak crustal magnetic field anomalies in the southern hemisphereso if we were to harness and amplify this force through said manipulation, it could be possible generate a weak artificial magnetosphere and slowly raise the ambient temperature to begin the process of rebuilding an atmosphere it's the solar winds and closer proximity to the sun that cause the planet wide dust storms every few yearsthis technique could also be useful for detecting or neutralizing dangerous levels of charge that build up under the leeward lip of Martian craters because of said dust storms, not to mention it could be used to keep those storms away from the colony sitethe main hazard of such an endeavor on Earth (the possibility of causing an enormous fireball that consumes a significant area) would not be a significant factor on Mars because there's no atmospheric oxygen
>>16534625I forgot I took steaks out earlier, so I'm making sirloins
>>16534620fucking crab bucket EDS schizoniggerskill them all glowies
damn I'm an idiot. I bought steak yesterday to cook today and then forgot about it until this anon mentioned his own dinner. I already ate shitty chicken and rice. fuck
>>16534631>>16534633/sfg/: steak forgetting general
>>16534633i guess you could say missed steaks were made:^)
>>16534629This is going to sound harsh, but for your own good you need to stop being retarded
>>16534636
>>16534629Anything to avoid burying a quonset hut
Why did Eloo pitch HLS when he know it doesn't have enough dv to land and take off again
>>16534646free money
>>16534646just refuelif you can't refuel, why go to the moon at all?
you can manipulate static electricity to move dustmartian dust carries a static charge this fact makes midwits feel insecure because they never considered upscaling the concept and applying it to solve longstanding terraforming problems concerning Mars
>>16534629woudn't this give you cancer or some shit
>>16534648It doesn't have enough dv even when fully fueled. It would have to fuel up again in lunar orbit which is retarded. I'm on board for a few refuelings granted you have the launch cadence of falcon 9 but dozens upon dozens of refuels is gay
>>16534654probably no more than 5g or wifi doesless cancer than the amount of solar radiation the dust shield would protect you frommight be wrong about that
>>16534656wrong
>>16534659care to explain why?
>>16534649So you're just gonna electricute all the colonists? Think about what you just said
>>16534666>Think about what you just saidNo.
>>16534666you can't die from a static shock
>>16534666not necessarily, although that could be a concern as energy buildup occurs in the dust shield over time and could possibly overwhelm or create interference in communications or other systemsthe electrocution hazard technically already exists because of the dust storms and aforementioned charge buildup in craters, a problem already recognized as a problem for lunar explorationwhat I am suggesting is taking an active step in utilizing that energetic phenomenon to provide an induced magnetosphere under human controlideally, the shield would be far enough away from the surface that discharge wouldn't be a problem
>>16534670you canin fact, aerosolized particles can be ignited by nothing more than a static dischargethis is why so flour mills explode from time to time, and other industrial accidents besidesthankfully, Mars doesn't have atmospheric oxygen
>>16534663because it simply isn't correct, the prop loaded in LEO and maybe MEO is more than enough to take it to NRHO, the surface, and back to NRHO again as the mission requires. If it actually needed more prop they can shrink the comically oversized crew quarters as the HLS design is bespoke anyway
>>16534614
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1875362545692791264>Deployment of Thuraya 4 confirmed
Will Starship launch on the 10th or will the bomb threat call it off
>>16534697They will move forward unless they discover it's not some blue sky libnigger making false threats.
It seems evil thst the first foot to touch mars won't be a H1B Indian. We need to change our space program immediately. Whites have no place in space
>>16534675>this is why so flour mills explode from time to timeWhat mitigation methods have been developed to solve this problem? That's actually interesting to me.
>>16534698What if it's a right wing ex-military like the cybertruck bomber?
>>16534697>>16534698>>16534702Wouldn't it be easier to just sail a boat into range?like imagine the save rgv folx pour all of their money into a fleet of boats so they can "accidentally" stray into range at the last minute.
The sooner Elon has his own paramilitary forces the better. He didn't want to build weapons because he doesn't want the government to have them, but that doesn't apply to building weapons for himself.
>>16534701well, you do want good ventilation to remove any vapors or suspended dustthat's the main thingno smoking ofc, basic awareness of static, proper grounding and bonding, use of conductive materials like anti-static hoses that are less resistent, monitoring the temperature of machines, you get the ideathis whole static thing has been a known factor in avionics for many years, planes build up a lot of charge
>>16534711every starbase guard should be armed with a boring company not-a-flamethrower
>>16534636jesus fuck, Carlos
>>16534702>right wingthat dude was ufo wing
>>16534702you mean the guy whose wife had severe TDS
>>16534747>>16534763Knew I'd draw out some cope with that one. Thanks for playing.
>NOOO LEAVE THE BILLIONAIRE ALONE
>>16534779You didn't get the reaction you hoped for and think you will be able to openly bait it out?
>>16534709Save RGV are the run-of-the-mill NIMBYs you get with virtually every major industrial project, not some kind of hardened eco-warriors. The will file annoying lawsuits and show up with signs for photo ops, but won't do shit otherwise. Besides, their major beef is with Rio Grande LNG, not SpaceX.
>>16534158>mfw 10 Starlink chassis to be deployedWhat are the odds they have cameras?
>>16534793If you want to get to Elon, you'll have to go through me.
>>16534801Zero. They're mass simulators.
>>16534614There is only one answer
>>16534802
>>16534779dutch faggot never disappoints
>>16534677Alright amending my previous comment it will take 9.2 km/s dv to go from leo to the moon and back to leo. I'm pretty skeptical the HLS can find 2 more km/s of dv to complete a mission
surely raptor N+1 will save us from the refueling boondoggle
>>16534828refueling will be needed anyway
>>16534494I just might. My aunt lives in Germany and she said that I might be able to get a dual citizenship since my grandma (her mother) is a Volga German. And even if that fails, I might be able to get a work visa.
So whats next for Starship?10 Starlink simulator (rectangle blocks of cheese?)Patches of active cooling testingRemoval of more heat shields from various parts to further test extreme endurance limitsReused engines from earlier flights
Is there any chance of a recovery from them? High energy architecture meme was funny but it's just really sad now
>>16534826It can if you replace the SRBs with steel+raptor3 LRBs. Even keeping tank size about the same you can fit seven Raptor 3s in each booster for equivalent thrust and burn time... but 200 tons less mass per booster.
>>16534840is this a bot reply wtf
>>16534845No, nigger.
>>16534836more aggressive reentry profile to stress test the new front flaps too
So is it basically confirmed that Elon is among us right now?
>>16534850Elon Susk.
>>16534826Starship HLS isn't coming back to LEO.The entire "17 tankers" line that spaceguy5 spread is based on a mission profile where it does return and refuels twice.
Is it really launching on 10th, they still haven't started infinite stacking and destacking.
>>16534850He's literlly been over on /pol/ arguing for days now. We are forgotten, just like Starship.
>>16534857what so they're not going to reuse HLS?Just one mission?
>>16534872when has nasa ever reused hardware or made sane mission architecture?
>>16534872How do you not know this?
Penile severance, a required rite upon embarking the Mars journey
https://x.com/ShanaDiez/status/1875354004387197177>While just weeks between flights the Starship design, build, and integration teams have been working on this upgrade for over a year and it’s worth congratulating them and cheering them on as we work on the final verification items to getting this ship ready to fly.
>>16534812what a disgusting creature
>>16534576I knew this would be a shitty movie when the opening sequence showed Mars with a red sunset.
>>16534620Why are trannies like this? Kill them.
>>16534049People care about hawaii.
>>16534907Seems like a mistake on their part.
>>16534863the era of >stack>destack>stack>destackfor months on end is over. Booster FTS was installed yesterday, ship FTS can be installed on the pad too
when will launch windows be a thing of the past? its 2025, we should be able to launch whenever.
>>16534620I always wondered Elon's enemies never considered flying a FPV drone into a fully fueled stack, or the propellant farm. Why make a threat? Spineless fags.
>>16534929when money becomes a thing of the past.going to mars 1 year out of sync would require like 10x the delta V. so it could be done but just waiting a year would save you so much on rocket size.
>spacex>iterative development >literally everyone else>rocket is designed by artists before anything happens
>>16534948>what is ITS
>>16534950>what is design that was iterated on
>>16534649>this fact makes midwits feel insecure because they never considered upscaling the conceptAre you really able to rationalize like this every time you're called a retard? What the fuck is wrong with your head? >>16534933Anyone smart and driven enough to pull that off would also be smart enough to understand the difference between wealth from innovation vs exploitation and save their effort and potential incarceration for someone making the world a worse place. See Luigi Mangione
>>16534951But ITS was designed by artists before anything happened
>The Space Rider (Space Reusable Integrated Demonstrator for Europe Return)Holy fuck ESA acronyms are terrible. First JUICE, then Protein, now this.
>>16534954ghetto af
>>16534957It worked. Criticizing the build quality of the LM is landing denier adjacent.
>>16534956>The Space Riderkino>Development of Space Rider is being led by the Italian Programme for Reusable In-orbit Demonstrator in Europe (PRIDE programme)too bad it will never be built...
>>16534956Kinda wish SpaceX went with whacky acronyms, rather than the Redditisms that newspace is all trying to copy.
>>16534954The LM is a SSTO
>>16534967The LM is a spaceplanehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_the_Moon
>>16534967>SSTLOftfy
>>16534967Only the ascent stage.
>b-but /pol/ told me it was made out of flimsy cardboard...
>>16534970So gorgeous. Design philosophy from this era was peak
>elon was defending himself in /pol/what the fuck
>>16534981erm what?
>>16534952>difference between wealth from innovation vs exploitation Adrian you forgot your tripcode!
>>16534981Seems hes here too
>>16534986No I'm not
>>16534649Electromagnetism starts creating new, big, and intractable problems as you start scaling it up, mostly in regards to being wildly hostile to human health and any materials not specifically designed to handle that operating environment.
>>16534952>Are you really able to rationalize like this every time you're called a retard? What the fuck is wrong with your head?You are responding to what is colloquially known as bait. You can respond to it seriously for the sake of people who don't know, but don't take it seriously for the sake of the man you're responding to: he doesn't actually care, and your frustration amuses him.
elon would lose iq points if he visited sfg, too many retards here
>>16535027we have both extremes. at the low end there's the manual control schizo, on the high end we have the pisslock guy. Elon could definitely learn a thing or two from him
>>16535029Pisslock guy has a bad fetish and should feel bad.
Staging>>16535033>>16535033>>16535033>>16535033>>16535033
>>16534981>people retarded enough to think he posts on /pol/ or /sfg/no
>>16534953No it wasnt. ITS cgi was using engineering CAD models
>>16534981Believing Dittman is Elon is a sign of low IQ
>>16534971Cardboard AND tinfoil, very important.>>16534981If you can't recognize a good troll then you deserve what you get.
>>16534981Again something spread from enougmuskspam btw. As >>16535148 says. Or maybe a sign of some spiritual leftism where not liking someone means suddenly believing stuff obsessed redditors have been saying about him.
>>16534840>>16534845>>16534846Starship Heavy Booster (it's just three boosters next to each other)
>>16534965Like D.O.G.E.?
