VLS-1 - edition previous >>16852764
happy turkey week /sfg/!
>>16856053>t*rksngmi
>>16856053oh I'm so ready for some turkey and mashed potatoes
For reference as the discussion of the SpaceX Booster v3 Aboom continues, the layout of the COPV tanks on v2.
Over at NASA, the show end with the Muppets' reenactment of the Challenger Disaster.
Oh yeah -- they're doing that now too. Good luck.
>>16856051she likes this thread, and spaceflight
>>16856062Weirdly shaped
>>16856068It's not symmetrical because the booster will be flipping right after stage separation so the pattern is slightly shifted
>>16856060Show about literal demons teaching children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXU-kEtejUoFuck NASA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ELfcr0WwzM
Cancel gateway
>>16856122Why it is Japanese and not Jabanese? Because they have no boobs.
>>16856123Joke of the year.
>>16856122Is thet Christa McAuliffe in the middle, quite ominous
This thread still up?
>>16856062whats wrong with staging then turning the engines on full blast?
>>16856131Super Heavy could smack into the back of Starship
>>16856131staging how?
>>16856147>>16856151saturn V managed to do it. obviously they think its necessary to use hot staging for various reasons but it just seems to be adding another layer of problems
>>16856154you know how saturn V did it?
If Saturn V was so good, why wasn't there a Saturn VI? Checkmate, gaytheists.
https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1992973037881237617
Germany taking a page out of the nazi playbook with its Aurora SSTO (Silbervogel)!!!
>>16856157small solid retros wasn't it?
>>16856168Oh neat, now Gerans don't even need cell towers anymore.
>>16856172>SSTOngmi
>>16856173and explosives
>>16856173Atlas V uses 8 Northrop Grunman Star-5F retrorockets to accomplish this. The truth is SpaceX probably doesn't want to spend money to build out the tooling for it.
>>16856177its also more extra, non-reusable shit you need compared to just using the engines you have to use anyway
a bit more steel is simpler than explosives and small SRBsthe dream of Starship is to land the booster, put another ship on top of it, refill it with propellant and launch again and then repeathaving to install shit is not good
>>16856172>>16856175yeah, SSTO is LARP
>>16856177>incorporates numerous features... to maximize heritageliterally "muh heritage"
>The Soyuz rolled to the pad this morning Baikonur style: carried horizontally on a railcar, gliding across the steppe at sunrise. At the pad, hydraulic arms lift it upright and the four counterweighted “tulip” petals close around the base. There are no hold-down bolts—at ignition the rocket simply rises, pushing the petals open as it climbs. Excited to share thanksgiving with @Astro_ChrisW right here!lol, they got kids to paint the rocketquite cutehttps://x.com/astro_anil/status/1992851427006308610?s=20
>>16856175>>16856187It isn't ssto, they're using Zubrin's aerial refueling approach
>>16856123It's a result of how 本 was historically pronounced in Hangzhou.
>shotwell tweeted about DTC in Ukraine...ffs woman, you're meant to keep this thing in the grey zone, they were going to agree to not develop the nuclear EW...
Oh no you guys, serious allegations...
>>16856235sedition
https://x.com/panos_panay/status/1992973347320394083
>>16856245https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/amazon-leo/amazon-leo-satellite-internet-ultra-pro>The full-duplex phased array antenna provides download speeds of up to 1 Gbps and upload speeds up to 400 Mbps, making it the fastest commercial phased array antenna in production.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPd0wsXFlUo
>>16856237Saying you can refuse illegal orders is sedition? Even the SCOTUS isn't rigged enough to agree with that.
>>16856062>booster pizza
>>16856191It looks like just a print. Shame it would have been cute to see a bunch of kids crawling all over a rocket painting it
>>16856235What did mark Kelly do?
>>16856248>you can refuse illegal orderswink wink, nudge nudgeThere is an obvious implication that this isn't a general statement but a call to refuse specific orders that Mark Kelly disagrees with, independent of their constitutionality.Still probably well within constitutionally protected speech though, since this falls short of the incitement exception which requires a statement made to another person (check), meant to incite (maybe, but good luck proofing that) and likely to incite (probably not) imminent (no) lawless action (check). Also the speech or debate clause.
>>16856245copy cathow can it be faster than starlink which has like a million satellites already?
>>16856248define illegal order
>Starliner-1, is now officially a cargo mission (instead of a crewed flight) no earlier than April 2026.
>>16856277TOTAL BOING HUMILIATION
when the fuck is Isaacman getting confirmed? this is retarded
>>16856172why does it have markings for a2a refuelling from a fucking boom even though germany uses drogues and it clearly doesn't use jet fuel
>>16856288its a scam anon, german startups are excited at the prospect of increased defense budget and are proposing retarded ideas
>>16856274>>16856235Trying to be a smartass? No one said refuse order X or Y because it's illegal, that wouldn't even be a point of contention should this go to court. It was closer to statement of fact and the whole thing is a complete nothingburger. Now you can stop offtopic posting about it even if the target is a former astronaut.
>>16856258In a civilian court, yes, but things get a bit more complicated when you add in that Mark Kelly is a retired navy captain, and the military operates under significant different rules than civilians do. The Department of War could easily say that retirement is no defense against a court martial, reactive him, and then hand him a summons. It's a bit out of left field, but only a little bit since all of the politicians urging resistance to the orange man were former military officers and were using that status to back up their statements.
>>16856110why are female engineers always ugly? :(
>>16856294lol you lost and Trump won
>>16856294okay karen
>>16856172>bomb doors dorsally mountedThe reich has lost a step
>>16856303Even if that would work to get around a first amendment defense it certainly won't overcome the speech or debate clause.
>>16856317The first amendment outright does not apply. They're military officers encouraging their fellow servicemen to mutiny against the lawful chain of command, which is judged on completely different metric from civilian first amendment considerations.
There were plans to carry the first stage of the Saturn V by hovercraft.
>>16856327What problem would this have solved?
>>16856330A lack of jobs and money for senators
>>16856172Europe space ambitions is like praising a child's coloring book.
>>16856317https://x.com/Osint613/status/1993005034909712436>The Department of War says retired Navy Captain Mark Kelly is under review for serious misconduct allegations that could trigger a recall for court-martial. Officials stress that retirees remain fully subject to the UCMJ and federal laws on loyalty and discipline, and remind all servicemembers that lawful orders must be obeyed, regardless of personal views.
>>16856330Less exposure to potentially rough sea conditions while going fast and not needing to dock at the turn basin at Port Canaveral before unloading.
>>16856334If you commit sedition you should be punished accordingly.
So what exactly did he do wrong?
>>16856334The UCMJ does not top the speech or debate clause.
>>16856337He encouraged active duty military to disobey lawful orders from the Commander in Chief.
>>16856338It does. As a member of the United States military you cannot encourage sedition in the ranks of the armed forces and then hide behind muh free speech when you get called out about it.
>>16856335>potentially rough sea conditionsFairly rare in that part of the Gulf, part of the reason the intracoastal waterway is out to sea in that section.>not needing to dock at the turn basin at Port Canaveral before unloadingIs the canal and dock over by the LC-39 pads too small? Looks big enough but maybe it wasn't back then.
>>16856337Had to look up because I'm not paying attention to burger politics right now, it was this video (pardon the Facebook link): https://www. faceb**k. com/SenElissaSlotkin/videos/2558895077819811/(4chan thought this was a spam link)Basically they're saying that active personel shouldn't follow orders that are deemed illegal whilst invoking their former military or intelligence experience.
>>16856341>what even is the speech or debate clause
>>16856338Kelly should be tried and executed.
>>16856345I am not saying he shouldn't, you'll just have to throw the constitution out the window if you want to get it done with the facts as we know them.
>>16856344Things that do not supersede the rules of conduct for members of the military. I'm sorry that this seems to be a difficult concept for you.
>>16856349You seem to not know the difference between the 1st Amendment and the Speech or Debate clause. So I am not gonna trust you on the finer points of military justice.
THEY JUST INSTALLED THE SQD!!!!
>>16856342It didn't happen, so they clearly decided it wasn't worth the effort.
>another boring day:|
>>16856338How does the speech or debate clause apply to this video? Is the video part of any legislative act?
>>16856357Pretty much anything a member of congress says in public is covered by the Speech or Debate clause.Remember that catholic school boy with a MAGA hat who got dragged through the mud and defamed because some Indian got in his face? Elizabeth got out of the following defamation suit for the shit she talked on TV because of the Speech or Debate clause.
>>16856245>>16856246this is good but will kuiper's entry into the market help free up more bandwidth so people in the suburbs can access LEO broadband? both starlink and kuiper being restricted to rural areas is painful.
Even in nothing-happening I must post SPEHS
>>16856191sovl>>16856172what a joke. germany could invest their billions into legitimate ventures but they're getting grifted by spaceplane scammers.
>>16856360imagine making it this far but its still getting canceled
>>16856196I remember reading this in Ender's Shadow and thinking "How hard could it be?"
>>16856345>Kelly should be tried and executed.
>>16856338>The UCMJ does not top the speech or debate clause! It just doesn't okay!It obviously trumps the First Amendment, so it beats everything else in the Constitution and statute law too.
>>16856338I would say that is unclear
>>16856373Just ignore her. She's some /pol/whore who drifted by.
Meanwhile, what SpaceX is really focused on instead of fixing their silly vanity rocket.
>>16856376no more bike girls riding outside for us
>>16856371>Anybody who ever serfed doesn't have 1st Amendment Rights, or any other Rights.What a smart and reasonable position.>>16856373I'm not reading that AI slob.
>>16856379if the USMJ didn't trump some civilian laws, then what is the point of it existing for retired service members?
>>16856345This, by firing squad in front of his wife
>>16856379Go back to /pol/.Thks
"It's over Johnny."
PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT POLITICS!!!!!!!!!!! Let's talk about your favorite African rocket.
>>16856386Does OTRAG count?
Can't wait for this episode of Burn Sequence. Interlune is a US company started by Blue origin engineer that has successfully tested the technology to essentially get Helium-3 from the moon. The US will enter an era of 'energy freedom' in the next decade or so.
starlink, but it surrounds the whole earth-moon system
>>168563913He is the kind of VC scam a brown thirdie with chatGPT would come up with. There's not enough 3He in lunar regolith to make extraction worth any effort and even if there was lots of it all of the serious fusion startups are using deuterium or deuterium-tritium designs.
>>16856330t. doesn't care about the hovercraft gap
>>16856340*illegal ordersThe only recent scenario that I can think of that would apply was when some American troops intervened to stop the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam. So it literally needs to be war crime level shit. Problem is not really sure how would it work in less black and white scenarios since front line troops in western nations act (by default) on the assumption that their chain of command consulted with legal authorities…
>>16856391>episode of Burn SequenceYawn.
>>168563993He harvested from the Moon will be used in the dilution refrigeration of the quantum computers in an orbital server swarm.Would you like to invest in our start-up?
>>16856407Yeah, you don't have any ground to hide behind "it's just the illegal orders!" when the left has spent the last decade saying that everything Trump has done in politics is illegal and super-fascism because he's a despotic ultrahitler. If you state that everything Trump does is illegal, then later calling on the military to ignore "illegal orders" is just a clear call to defy the chain of command because you believe no order the commander and chief gives is legitimate. It's sedition, and in Kelly's specific case it's treason. It's like what happened with Charlie Kirk; you can't spend years whipping up the violent fringe into a frenzy by saying that evil fascists are out to kill them and that it's a moral imperative to harm fascists, and then turn around any say that calling someone a fascist isn't a direct call to violence against them.
things that will get you immediately filtered>ksa / kerbals>krystal>space planes>QI thruster>helium 3
Speaking of -- Elon took another toke and now he's promising 300GW sent up per year by 2034.While his dream ship to do this lies scattered in twisted fragments strewn across Masseys.
>>16856426>Yeah, you don't have any ground to hide behind "it's just the illegal orders!"Most countries literally have a manual listing out what constitutes an illegal order. It tends to include stuff that might get you into a court martial even if you’re told to do it.>then turn around any say that calling someone a fascist isn't a direct call to violence against them.It isn’t. You basically have to say go kill that specific person now.
>>16856435NB: This is 10x the new capacity the US installed in 2025. So, not over promising -- much.
Booster 18 is a write off:>NSFF -- According to my reading on RGV Discord, the methane tank has been dismantled, and only the Hot Staging ring has been preserved, or possibly the entire section that includes the grid fins plugs. Furthermore, it appears that this is the sole component saved from the entire booster.
>>16856447obviouslyits fucking blown upThe whole structure is compromised
>>16856437>Most countries literally have a manual listing out what constitutes an illegal orderCorrect. Unfortunately, the left has been running on vibes rather that legal precedent for a long time now. If they like something, then it's legal; if they dislike something, then it's illegal. Any list is just something to either justify their actions after the fact or ignore if it gets in their way. There's years of resume on what they think is "illegal" and it's wildly different from the actual law as written.>You basically have to say go kill that specific person now.Also correct, but only for civilians engaging in political speech. A liberal politician calling someone a fascist is the same as an imam putting out a fatwah, but it's not prohibited under any American speech laws. The issue is that these politicians are not civilians and were not acting as civilians. They were acting as members of the armed forces urging their fellow servicemen to disobey legal orders, and members of the military operate under a significantly different rules than the civilian populace.
>>16856448I think there were some people on twitter who were talking about how the top half should be reused for some reason because it looked okay on the livestream
>>16856191Americans could never
https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1993070286548418678>RAISE And Shine! Our next Electron launch will be a dedicated mission for JAXA from Launch Complex 1 to a 540km LEO. The launch will deploy JAXA'S RAISE-4 mission that includes a single satellite with 8x tech demonstrations by companies, universities, and research institutions throughout Japan. "RAISE And Shine" will launch NET December 5th.
When I was 22 years old, I commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy and swore an oath to the Constitution. I upheld that oath through flight school, multiple deployments on the USS Midway, 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm, test pilot school, four space shuttle flights at NASA, and every day since I retired – which I did after my wife Gabby was shot in the head while serving her constituents.In combat, I had a missile blow up next to my jet and flew through anti-aircraft fire to drop bombs on enemy targets. At NASA, I launched on a rocket, commanded the space shuttle, and was part of the recovery mission that brought home the bodies of my astronaut classmates who died on Columbia. I did all of this in service to this country that I love and has given me so much.
>>16856453
>>16856455>I did all this for country, and also so I could exploit it for political capital like I'm doing right nowwhat a fucking hero
>>16856456Is that the weather in Kazakhstan?
>>16856455>old white male democrat from a 50% white stateThese people love the browning of their areas and the idea that no white will ever follow them in their job
>>16856458He's not even from Arizona. He's from fucking New Jersey.
>>16856459https://www.accuweather.com/en/kz/baikonur/225174/weather-forecast/225174
https://x.com/dfuji1/status/1993081782380757465>Last night, a lunar impact flash appeared. It was a flash at 18:50:50.1 on November 24, 2025 (100fps, 0.1x speed playback). Since the moon has no atmosphere, meteors or fireballs cannot be seen, and it lights up at the moment a crater is formed. The impact site was near the Scarparelli C crater northwest of the Aristarchus crater, within the collision area of the Taurus meteor shower.
>>16856456>40 degrees in the middle of winter in siberiayeah we're fucking done. get your ass to mars or be COOKED.
>>16856131>>16856154Do you genuinely not understand how hot staging works or why it's useful?
>>16856465So will the moon eventually get its own golden dome to stop this shit from killing people?
>>16856474every major colonized world will probably have some form of impactor defense
>>16856268"Up to" 1 Gbps, meaning that's what the antenna theoretically CAN do, not what it WILL do when the satellite is trying to push data to 10,000 people at once.
>>16856455Based to be honest>>16856461Did you know that Arnie isn't originally from California? Shocking I know
>>16856473Elon is doing these hot rod mods to an experimental project. Get something that can orbit and come down intact, then start shaving margins.
>>16856282Hearing next Wednesday, then it depends on whether senators want to work or slack off till January
I love my /sfg/ bros
>>16856481too small
>>16856485Low IQ detectedYou're not going
>>16856478>Elon is doing these hot rod mods to an experimental project.God forbid they do experimental things to an experimental project.>Get something that can orbit and come down intact, then start shaving margins.Superheavy's general flight performance and the hot staging maneuver have been the most consistently successful parts of the whole program. If there's any part of the rocket to start refining, this is it. And I can tell you definitely don't understand why hot staging is such a target item, because it's not exactly "shaving" margins.
>>16856191>Gigachadlmao
>You'll never know true horror until you hear someone knocking on your spaceship from the outside >The voice over the radio says it's Ramirez >But Ramirez is inside and he's pleading with you not to open the airlock >Meanwhile the Ramirez outside is becoming desperate and pleading to be let in>It really puts life in perspective
>>16856489>Elon is doing everything right!How is that Mars 2026 mission looking? Gonna be all set for next November?
Oh, that's right. The only mission headed toward Mars in 2026 is the one Blue Origin already launched.
5 days for LandSpace’s Zhuque-3 to launchhttps://x.com/VALLinitiative/status/1992435037657006533
>>16856245https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1993042466807673131
>>16856497>How is that Mars 2026 mission looking? Gonna be all set for next November?I still have faith that Elon will pull it off
>>16856481too big
>>16856501kek llms are so silly
>>16856500>Satellites in orbit:>Starlink: 9,000>Amazon Leo: 150lol
>>16856502Which one is /sfg/ buying?
>>16856500Grok?Starlink MiniDish Dimensions: Approximately 12 inches by 10.25 inchesDish Weight: Just over 3 pounds with kickstand and cable attachedAmazon wins again.
>>16856509right wingers will get starlinkleft wingers will get amazonbusinesses and organizations will get both
>>16856497The same fallbacks, every time
>>16856522>Elon is going to Mars! He just is okay!
There's like three people in this thread.And they're all annoying losers.Absolute dogshit.
>>16856526Now we are four
>>16856530Five
>>16856526Its over
>>16856499It looks so good, wow
>>16856493Where? I can't see it
>>16856499looks like a F9/starship hybridneat
>>16856499I like it, going to be interesting to see if chinaman can pull off the landing first try.
>>16856500>Amazon Leo: 150
>>16856502>>16856504Nice tables
>>16856556They'll get that up quickly like his stupid bimbo wife does to his huge cock.
China has declassified one of several methods to suppress Starlink signals over a large area.The simulation rules out traditional ground-based jamming due to Starlink's satellite- hopping capabilities, instead opting for a large-scale deployment of synchronized jammers on hundreds or thousands of drones, balloons, or aircraft at 20km altitude could create an effective "electromagnetic barrier".It is estimated that at least 935 jamming nodes would be needed under optimal conditions to suppress Starlink over a 36,000 sq km area, potentially doubling to 2,000 with weaker power sources or to account for real-world variables like terrain and Starlink's anti-jamming upgrades.https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3333523/chinese-researchers-simulate-large-scale-electronic-warfare-against-elon-musks-starlink
>>16856566is this not old news? i could've swore that i've heard about this a couple of years ago.
>>16856566there's something kino about a swarm of drones creating a combat bubble or battle perimeter
>>16856566>But only at huge scale, needing a thousand drones or moreKek that’s like 5 minutes of their industrial output worth
>>16856568nevermind i remember now that it was an idea i came up with some time ago for ukraine
>>16856542the cyrillic
>>16856473Not him but I genuinely do not understand how hot staging works or why it's useful, please explain it to me.
>>16856358oh yeah
>>16856586>go fast, go faster>go fast, stop going fast for a few seconds, then go faster
>>16856425I would invest, as long as this orbital server swarm is carbon-neutral
>>16856358Kelly, as a retired soldier, is still bound by UCMJ regardless of whether he is now a senator.
>>16856586Continuously thrust so you don't let the gravity goblin steal your gains
>>16856586Have you ever watched a drag race before? If one of the two racers lets off the throttle for any length of time do they win the race?Now apply that to rockets, if you stop thrusting for any length of time do you start to decelerate or do you keep accelerating?
>>16856358Sedition calls for the death penalty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JldB3mfaXM
>>16856605good luck china. no one wants a catastrophe.
>>16856257He participated in a recent ad campaign, advising military personnel to the effect: "you don't have to follow illegal orders." The point being to simply plant the seed in a specifically military context: illegal orders have been given.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly#Tenure (bottom)I'm actually very disappointed with his participation in the stunt, regardless of whatever one thinks about Trump. Astronauts of all people should be smarter than that. But then, like Chris Hadfield, he does have a taste for the Reddit sensibility and wanting to be popular (pic related), which is probably part of why he went along with it. But all memes/Trump opinions aside, it was a poor choice on Kelly's part to participate.
>>16856608T-5:00
>>16856624space rescue service begins
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1993173221403939254>Liftoff! At 04:11:45.459 UTC on November 25, Long March 2F Y22 launched Shenzhou-22 spacecraft from Jiuquan. This marks a historic first: the spacecraft is launching uncrewed to meet astronauts already waiting in orbit. In place of a crew, Shenzhou-22 is carrying essential resupplies to the space station."
>>16856633They're doing a good job.We must crush them as soon as possible.
>>16856610>Tenure (bottom)Lmao
>>16856566>hundreds or thousands of drones, balloons, or aircraftThat seems a bit ridiculous. They will probably just attach the jamming to their own cell towers I would assume unless maybe there's a combat scenario. But will all that jamming interfere with their own network?
>>16856610knowing the anti-Trump crowd they would probably consider an illegal order to be something along the lines of "Stop going to the Ukraine and secretly and illegally participating in a foreign war to defend the ZOG in Kiev"
>>16856680>Thousands of drones seems ridiculous Man, world war three is going to surprise you in a big way
>>16856610He is under the Musk and Trump Derangement Syndrome
>>16856711>unless maybe there's a combat scenarioTo maintain constant jamming for a country the size of China using drones for the great firewall seems kind of dumb for peace time.
>>16856600>>16856607>they shall not be questioned in any other Placeseems pretty clear to me.Stop listening to Trump for legal wisdom.
>>16856718Why would they need to do that. Import controls cut 99% of terminals getting in the country, CCP radio spectrum assets willl be able to sniff out any secret glownigger ones that get through. No one is talking about doing it in peacetime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3qbU0CllDQ>Booster 18 Destroyed in 48 Hours – What Went Wrong? Block 3 Revealed!
America sure is speedrunning the degradation into a rocketman dictatorship.
I'm glad I have no idea what you people are babbling about Spaceflight?
>>16856761Next launch is an Angara 1.2 in about 3 hours.
>>16856761Let's just say an astronaut is about to be court marshalled and executed, rightfully so
gey
Can you trannies all fuck off and take your eceleb drama back to /pol/
>>16856177Nuts that you can look up rockets in a catalog. This feels like a KSP description lol.
>>16856502Why don't you just get three Pros instead of one Ultra?
>Around 1960, Phil Pomerantz, a man working at the Bureau of Naval Weapons, suggested that dimethylmercury be used as a fuel mix with red fuming nitric acid.[11] This was never done, although it did lead to testing a red fuming nitric acid-unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine rocket with elemental mercury being injected into the combustion chamber at the Naval Ordnance Test Station
>>16856785You could just do things back then.
>>16856792I love how even 60s US Navy Weapons Research was like "that's too environmentally unsafe for our taste"
>>16856728>random /pol/ schizo shitTrust the plan.The patriots are in control.MAGAZ
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/11/rocket-lab-chief-opens-up-about-neutron-delays-new-glenns-success-and-nasa-science/>Ars: Ok Pete, it’s November 18. How confident should we be in a Neutron launch next year? 50/50?>Beck: Hopefully better than 50/50. That would be a definite fail. We’re taking the time to get it right. I always caveat anything, Eric, that it’s a rocket program, and we’ve got some big tests in front of us. But to date, if you look at the program, it’s been super smooth; like we haven’t exploded tanks, we haven’t exploded engines. We haven’t had any major failure, especially when we’re pushing some new boundaries and some new technology. So I think it’s going really, really smoothly, and as long as it continues to go smoothly, then I think we’re in good shape.kind of a boring interview, didn't really have any info
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/11/rivals-object-to-spacexs-starship-plans-in-florida-whos-interfering-with-whom/summary>SpaceX's rivals, including Blue Origin and United Launch Alliance (ULA), are objecting to the company's plans to launch up to 120 Starship rockets annually from Florida's Cape Canaveral, citing safety concerns over the vehicle's massive propellant load of liquid oxygen and methane (LOX/methane), which could require evacuating personnel from neighboring launch pads during hazardous operations. These objections echo past disputes, such as a 2013 attempt by rivals to block SpaceX's access to a NASA pad. SpaceX counters that current blast danger areas (BDAs) are overly conservative due to limited data on LOX/methane explosions, and it has conducted tests showing potential for smaller safety zones, emphasizing data-driven approaches over assumptions equating the fuel to 100% TNT equivalency. Environmental and safety implications revolve around detonation risks, with ongoing government and industry tests (expected to conclude in 2026) aimed at refining models to minimize disruptions. Despite tensions, Cape Canaveral is on track for record launches, with Starship operations potentially starting in early to mid-2026, though high cadences could strain infrastructure long-term.pic>This map from a Space Force environmental impact statement shows potential restricted access zones around SpaceX’s proposed Starship launch site at Space Launch Complex-37. The restricted zones cover launch pads operated by United Launch Alliance, Relativity Space, and Stoke Space.
>>16856802SpaceX is correct and they now have the S36 incident as a reference. Didn't even shatter windows.
>>16856756Zubrin's ideal starship
WTF THEY CIRCUMCISE BOOSTER 18?!?!?!?
>>16856802
>>16856829>The Commercial Space Federation, a lobbying group, submitted written testimony to Congress in 2023 arguing the government should be using “existing industry data” to inform its understanding of the explosive potential methane and liquid oxygen. That data, the federation said, suggests the government should set its TNT blast equivalency to no greater than 25 percent, a change that would greatly reduce the size of keep-out zones around launch pads. The organization’s members include prominent methane users SpaceX, Blue Origin, Relativity Space, and Stoke Space, all of which have launch sites at Cape Canaveral.>**TNT blast equivalency to no greater than 25 percent**,
Is iran an actual space player or just a joke?
>>16856842Super serious. They are about to launch an o’neill cylinder with fusion power and QI thrusters
>>16856572But you need to deploy them continuously over the whole area you want to block. You need to not only build them, but charge, maintain, replace and program them continuously in, presumably, battlefield conditions.The US should be mass producing autonomous drone killer drones (small scale "fighter drones") with IFF that destroy anything flying or moving on the ground in a designated area, to optionally include humans and animals.
>>16856785"Ignition!" is a helluva read. They really tried every possible fuel combo in the early days (except methane! not storable, not optimal ISP)
>>16856842Last year they has more successful orbital launches than Europe (excluding Russia). Take from that what you will.
Mark Kelly found guilty in military tribunal. Punishment of hanging for treason has been deferred—Kelly shall instead serve as commander on a crewed Starliner flight. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>16856856A big part of that was because Ariane 5 was out of service, Ariane 6 was only able to launch once, and Vega was having huge trouble.
>>16856862Ariane 6 has no future and neither does vega
Lot of new launch sites going up. Why the fuck is turkey building one in somalia?
>>16856865In the long term, no, they don't, but they still have Europe-internal national interest to prop them up in the near term.
I think about this a lot. What will next generation tooling look like? Will it be able to essentially materialize any design on a computer?
>>16856854- t. SkyNet
>>16856842Quite big ambitions but serious quality control issue and organisation issue (the country has like 3 separate space programs between the ministry of science, of defense and the revolutionary guards)Their best sats are still russian made and launched on soyuz or proton
>>16856842anyone other than the US is a joke
webm anon I require your assistance https://dissolve.com/video/Skylab-astronaut-Pete-Conrad-demonstrates-toilet-rights-managed-stock-video-footage/002-D30-41-411
>>16856799>everything is /pol/
>>16856729
>>16856892
>>168568871/4 speed of that preview video
>>16856896Wonderful thanks. Skylab my beloved
https://x.com/Amazonleo/status/1993352249075012001>The complete batch of satellites for our first Arianespace mission have arrived in French Guiana. All satellites have cleared initial health checkouts, and teams will soon begin processing and integration ahead of launch on Ariane 64.
https://x.com/SpaceIntel101/status/1993340054966599826>Russian Space Forces launched Strela-3M 22-24 satellites, part of a military communication constellation, into LEO on Russian Angara-1.2 rocket from Plesetsk cosmodrome site 35/1.
>>16856901What is the point of Angara
>>16856902Launching payloads that are too small to be economical for the Soyuz-2 and would have flown on either the Kosmos, Tsykon, Dnepr, Rokot, etc, back in the day, or more recently on the Soyuz-2-1v now that that's been discontinued. It also keeps the Angara's overall flight rate up which helps stop the costs for the Angara A5 from spiraling into Delta IV Heavy sized mess.
>>16856867>canada
>>16856902Angara in general is meant to replace all the Soviet era designs with one modular launch system. So far only Angara 1.2 -- replacing the ICBM-derived Rokot and Denpr -- and Angara A5 -- replacing Proton -- are in operation. Angara A3 configuration is possible to replace Soyuz, but I think they've shelved those plans.Although the Angara design and concept is fine, the whole program has seen massive delays and cost overruns, both for rocket construction and pad construction. And of course it was all designed long before SpaceX demonstrated reusability, so it is obsolete out of the gate.
>>16856842They don't even have water to drink, lmaoThey're going to attempt to terraform Iran
>>16856916
>>16856908Foreshadowing the Chinese sun landing?????
>Going to sun is hardBut I thought it has strong gravity?>Yes but you need to consider that you spin around it.So?>Uhmm.. you didn't learn about it in school?No?>I AM STUPID!!! YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT
Will Starbase get a gigabay 2?
>>16856932Who are you quoting?
>>16856855If you haven't read Ignition, you can't post in /sfg/. That should be a rule.
>>16856936>Who are you quoting?No one>But people talked about sun in this thread?Ok?>I AM STUPID!!! YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT
>>16856940>>16856932Cringe
In a hole in the ground there lived a colonist. Not a comfy, homely hobbit hole filled with the smell of pipe tobacco and tea and earthly things; nor yet a dry hole with smooth rocks to sit upon and warm light to bask in: it was a lunar lava hole, and that means despair.
>>16856723The Speech or Debate clause only applies to official duties, it does not protect Kelly for his participation in a video telling soldiers to ignore legal orders.
>>16856916Angara is not meant to replace Soyuz, it is meant to replace the other rockets you mentioned.
>>16856932>But I thought it has strong gravity?That is why it takes more dV to go to the Sun than it is to go to Jupiter, you have to counter it accelerating your craft as you travel towards it.
https://youtu.be/eC6MtJEZCl8
Best rocket. Lithium kept molten by radioactive Cesium-137, reacting with fluorine.It's as if Zubrain's Salt Water Rocket cross pollinated with one of Lovecraft's Elder Gods.
>>16856968It could. The only reasons it won't ever do that are political. RKTs Progress employs ~18k people in Samara, and a lot of them are working on the Soyuz line. God knows Progress' satellite production branch hasn't been super productive of late. It actually sucks that it won't. If The Angara 3 started taking over Soyuz's segment of the Russia launch manifest it'd push down the costs for a lot of the bigger projects that Moscow has had issues financing, while at the same time forcing Progress to double down on the Amur if they wanted to survive as a LSP.
>>16856976>So gullible he believes Blue has conquered boil off
>>16856978Yes Angara cannot replace the entire industrial base built around Soyuz.Not jobs but the availability of rockets at scale and redundancy having both Soyuz and Angara provides.
>>16856977>still less of a pita than hydrolox
>>16856932based schizo
>>16856474eventually perhaps, i read about nasa researching old lava tubes for protection for first semi-permanent moon settlements
>>16856500great we really need more shit to pollute the orbit
>>16856785>dimethylmercuryisn't that one of the most toxic substances in existence
>>16856977expendable launch infrastructure! and personnel! nearby cities!
>>16856982Khrunichev absolutely has the industrial base to produce the number of URM-1 cores it'd need to replace the Soyuz-2 on the launch manifest. They've been stuck in the doldrums for years because the small and heavy lift segments that are covered by the A1 and A5 are a small minority of Russia's payloads. Back in the early 2000s they were planning for launching a lot more rockets then they ended up doing. And it's not like the Soyuz industrial chain is doing all that great recently. Soyuz's engine supplier has been on the edge of bankruptcy for a number of years now due to uncertainties and declining orders.
>>16856988"He lives in a NASA-hole and everybody knows oh!"
>>16856967It covers a lot. Talking to the public on a matter of public interest is probably covered.
>>16857009It covers a lot if "a lot" is official duties.Anon earlier referenced Warren not getting in trouble for spreading lies about that kid but that was only because no one pursued it as the kid was satisfied with all the money he got from defamation lawsuits.
>>16857012>no one pursued itThey literally did and a judge dismissed it as to her because she was immune.
>aryan technology>aryan animalsYep, I'm thinking this is THE spaceflight game.
>>16857047I loaded up KSP the other day and tried to rove around on Moho. 3 frames every 2 seconds the entire time, unless I looked straight down at the terrain and zoomed in close. I have 16gb of ram. Will KSA run as ass as KSP+mods?
>>16857048>Will KSA run as ass as KSP+mods?Generally it runs better but at the moment the way they are loading textures is absolutely retarded and means you need a NASA supercomputer to run the game at decent quality with high framerate, but a lot of people in the Discord have been pushing to the devs to change it.
>>16857047gay
>>16857023They could have always appealed it if it was just one judge.
>>16857048what are your specs?
>>16856051Test
A volcano with no known activity for the last 12,000 years just randomly blew its top in Ethiopia.I feel like this same shit happens on Venus. I’m tired of B-tier scientists saying Venus doesn’t have active surface activity when we barely even care to observe venus for more than a few hours and then leave it alone for another decade
Orbital ring when
>>16857047>logs in to discord to play itYup i’m thinking it’s gay
>>16857089What are you on about
>>16857092he's retarded
>>16857092he is saying the game is gay
>>16857095Why?
>>16857098because it's gay
>>16857098it’s gay
>>16856435I trust tamers12345 more than Elon when it comes to specific numbers or prices
>>16857048same, that is with the KSP parallax mod though. roving on Duna literally took hours because of the lag
>>16857067and?
>>16857047This is really gay
>>16857120just just gayFURRY and gay
>>16856750>degradation
>>16857131Were mechanical pencils not popular in the 50s and 60s? I always see yellow pencils in older photos
been busy the past few weeksthat starship that popped was it the one that was flying next or what?
>he fell for the red dwarf meme again award
>>16857139Yeah, it was the booster. They're still targeting January for the launch.
>>16856359>>16856245Irrespective of satellite broadband usage by individuals, satellite constellations are bound to be the backhaul network in a few years.It's impossible to scale the frequencies like we've been doing for RF chipsets anymore due to attenuation losses, we're already at 10s of GHz and anything higher can't go further than a few km in atmosphere.You'll see all the backhaul shift to orbital constellations even in suburban areas where they're already using ISLs modulated at 50s of GHz in starlink
>>16856977Why not ClF3?
>>16857131While he was an engineer, by the time that photo was taken, he was mainly an administrator. Engineers like mechanical pencils but most everyone else uses wood trim pencils. It could also be that photos of that era were highly staged. Standard yellow pencils would pop in the photo better than most mechanical models. It's also be more recognizable to the general public.
>>16857141nah, it's been adjusted to first quarter of 2026
>>16857160>Severely autistic overanalyzing of a pencil. A single pencil.This is one of those problems we'll have to abort our way out of.
are there any newspace companies that do actual spaceflight and dont expect their engineers to work 60 hours a week?i want to do things without having to be a slave
>Toby Li -- The first ever look at Blue Origin’s Blue Moon MK2 crew cabin mockup at NASA Johnson Space Center. Blue Moon MK2 is enormous compared to the already giant MK1, and will host 4 astronauts for up to 30 days at a time on the Moon’s surface during Artemis V.With Starship floundering, better hope our Blue Plan B side bet pays off.
For those unfamiliar with the design, Blue Mk2 is kind of an upside down LEM. Service mod on top with engine passing down thru the middle of the crew compartment. Which should be fun.
aint shit happen today
https://x.com/kari2030/status/1993185008539124122>Nuri Rocket 4th Launch D-2, Launch Pad Erection Completed. The erection and fixing work of the Nuri rocket that arrived at the launch pad has been completed. After this, umbilical connection work to charge power and propellant to the Nuri rocket, and other airtightness inspections, etc. Pre-launch inspection procedures are scheduled to proceed.
>>16857047gaywad
>>16857098ur a gay
This is my wife.I am very proud of her.
>>16857211Everyone's wife
goodnight /sfg/
>>16857220Goodnight anon make sure to get a blankie
>>16857220see you tomorrow
>>16857220In space, every time is nighttime
>>16857223rocket blankie
>>16857229It's getting cold out anon, rockets need to stay cozy too or they'll catch flu.
Mr. Branson's wife has passed away.
>>16857247ULA sniper
>>16857211wife!
>>16856977Don't need helium to pressurise the fluorine, just use a heat exchanger from the lithium to boil the fluorine for pressure.
>>16857266Sounds dangerous, what about pressurized water instead?
>gigabay steel erectors still working at this hourNot sure what changed, maybe they got behind or SpaceX offered more money.
>>16857220good morning
>>16857265That's a sad looking burger
Let's talk about the chicken in the room. How many refueling does the Blue Moon lander need for a manned Moon mission?
>>16857270Hmm, I'm not sure, if you preburn with water to get HF and LiOH, then react those, do you get a higher lsp?
CZ-12A Y1 has arrived at its launch pad in Jiuquan ahead of a launch and recovery next month.
>>16857387The construction of the launch pad started in April. Contrary to Landspace who considers its first landing attempt as highly tentative, SAST has announced that they are confident in their ability to land it on the maiden launch. To be fair they did have a partially succesful near-space VTVL test in January, and the state company is known for its reliability (a close 2nd to SpaceX for reliability worldwide)
>>16857314They are working 2 shifts a day, excluding Sunday and holidays. Starbase is a windy location and there are hard limits with wind and lifting steel. They seem to be losing a full 25% or more of their shift hours due to weather, so it ends up being not more than partial workday for these guys. Its likely unionized labor so they are going to drag their feet and do the minimum. This building will not be useable in any effective manner until 2027. Until then, each starship will be built more like a one off prototype than a production vehicle with a fixed design. Launch cadence will not occur for years still, not sure why people think this is happening soon, its not
>>16857163FLAT is superior for a low-budget space program because you can have smaller airlocks and suits with less internal volume
>next Starliner is cargo onlySo what are the chances of Starliner delivering crew to the ISS again before Musk destroys it?
>>16857424depending on successor stations happening in some way, it might not really mattermaybe they get a few crew launches before the ISS gets destroyed and then the rest with another station (or NASA could just not order the optional crew flights if another player has created crew capability by that point)
>>16857423By that logic squatemalans make for the best astronauts because they're short and round.
>>16857435they dotheir low-protein mostly vegetal traditional diet is another point in their favor, along with low birth weight and, ahem, moderate but not abysmal IQ
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1993604227935936586>Gigabay update
>>16857423Big bouncing boobs in zero gravity would help keeping high the morale though.
https://x.com/stellarmagnet/status/1993272491234484284
>>16857443Hello new copypasta
>>16857437>88>moderate but not abysmal IQ
>>16857442spess is a pernissive environment for curvy lassesthey would never sag and hardly wrinkle, even at advanced age
>>16857445kind of long for a copypasta
>>16857449It can easily be edited down
>>16857443I didn't really look at it but my second thought was "Did an AI make this?" Imagine getting a love letter and then when you break up she tells you her love letter was generated by ChatGPT to hurt you.
>>16857452might be a combo of insane ramblings edited by a LLM, didn't read it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XWPAU--Zs8T-40:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwdPEiTr7hQOfficial stream (with dramatic trailer music)T-35:00
>>16857458>>16857460Oh its Korean, for a second I thought Nuri was an Indian name got worried.
https://x.com/SpaceIntel101/status/1993640513644187682>CAS500-3 | KARI | November 26 | 1534 ET>Korea Aerospace Research Institute to launch 12 satellites on its 3-stage Nuri rocket aka Korean Satellite Launch Vehicle 2 (KSLV 2) from Naro Space Center LC-2 in Goheung, South Korea.CAS500-3 Earth observation satellite will launch alongside 11 smallsat payloads.
>>16857460Rocket entertainment bros.....
>>16857458>>16857460Arirang News has a stream with English commentary.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsp3N-QY6-A
slight delay (20m). sigh
https://www.youtube.com/live/kd9v6vLjD3I
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1993709587707674855>Launch has been pushed back to the end of window at 16:13 UTC [11:13 EST].
>>16857481Launch delayed to 01:13 AM Korea Timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1PvIWdJ8xo
>tfw no Korean gf
>tfw no Korean gf (DRPK)
Nothing ever happens.
>>16857160>judging one of the most successful and historically significant engineers of all time on the basis of your feelings about pencils and a single photo/sfg/ is retarded
>>16857163What’s even the point of going to space without big titty space bimbos?
>>16857173Just start your own nuspace company. Then you'll definitely be a slave (and lose all your money)
>>16857512well, they are currently launching a nudie rocket (according to their accents)
>>16857435They make for optimal earthers because they are closer to the ground and not capable of gnosis
Love my Korean gfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bnOxV4jAc
>Bill Taber is a mathematician at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. He's also Trans -- if that matters.Long winded NASA cry baby too:https://thebulletin.org/2025/11/mirror-life-on-black-swans-from-the-red-planet-could-nasa-bring-back-mirror-life-from-mars/
>>16857452>Imagine getting a love letter and then when you break up she tells you her love letter was generated by ChatGPT to hurt you."Those dickings you got weren't generated by ChatGPT, though"
We'll never know. Still so many thrilling sand dunes to explore.
> "You feel a cold wind blowing from a nearby cavern."
>80 years of spaceflight>no footage of booba in zero GCome on
>>16857531How does it not evaporate? Isn't the atmosphere like 0.01 atm?
>>16857522>"history is made up of black swans">only lists events in the past 300 years, some of which are absolutely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things
>80 years of spaceflight >0 people had sex in zero gwho will be the lucky first ?
>>16857535It's 0.6 and it doesn't freeze cause the lower in elevation you go the higher the air pressure and down there it's just high enough to be liquid.
>>16857531
>>16857537>Implication that Russian Cosmonauts weren't.
>>16857543.06*
So the Holloman Airforce base landing was totally real and President Bush Sr. knew about it.
>>168575500.006higher 0.012 in Hellas Planitaeas to water: https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-confirms-evidence-that-liquid-water-flows-on-todays-mars/>intermittently>briny>likely a shallow subsurface flow, with enough water wicking to the surface to explain the darkeningYou'd still need the whole atmosphere to hold water vapor at partial pressure 0.006 atm, in addition to above zero temperature to keep any liquid stable long term
>>16857560plenty of water ice, though, in addition to the polar caps, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korolev_(Martian_crater)>about 2,200 cubic kilometres (530 cu mi) of water ice, comparable in volume to Great Bear Lake in northern Canada.
>>16857564imagine taking a sled down that slope lol
What is your favourite and least favourite world of the Solar System?
Nuri launch was a success. Next up is Transporter-15 from Vandy in 20m.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar4qA8Hmaf8
>>16857567Favorite: Earth, all my friends are hereLeast favorite: Earth, the rest of you cunts are too
>>16857522Will Elon Musk destroy humanity by trying to save it?
>>16857568spoke too soon: countdown aborted at T-15m which means a scrub for today.
>>16857163I'm so glad women didn't actually get to fly on the Saturn V
>>16857564>As featured in For All MankindWe're never getting the new season, are we?
>Underground water on MarsSurface pools of liquid Neon on Pluto are way cooler.
>ESA is building six Orion service modules, and is now looking at potential reuse.That's probably a good idea. Not a good idea was building a 20 year supply of Orion service modules.
https://x.com/orbexspace/status/1993644791146385423>We had a great reaction to our engine test video last week, so, here's a peak at our Prime launch vehicle hardware — a real testament to the skill of our team as we near the first test launch next year. We are preparing every element of the vehicle, with much of the hardware ready now, and the rest in production, or test. We purposefully included innovation and novelty in the design of Prime, this brought many challenges for us to overcome, and we are now realising the design in physical form.
>>16857574Rocketlab sniper?
Explains their horrible meatballs.
>>16857611>search for life beyond our planetthere are sitting house members openly saying they have been shown evidence of non-huma intelligence
https://x.com/AndrewParsonson/status/1993679794995613993>Interesting comments from the French representative Philippe Baptiste, who called ESA's Geo-return policy a "pipe dream.">"We shouldn't be overly naive. We have to evolve. Europe has to undergo significant reform. It has to give up its pipe dreams, starting with that of geo-return. We have to apply European preference systematically to our investments. We don't develop a European space industry if we do not apply European preferences. All other large countries do so."
>>16857601Okay I have come to the conclusion that blurring is not necessary at all, and that these people just do it to self-affirm how they are le based top secret badasses
>>16857569I was going to say the exact same thing. Most beautiful planet in the known universe—also the most diabolical!
>>16857631Contains both cotton-candy and bullet ants, weird fucking place.
>>16857048it either runs amazing or not at all depending on how much VRAM you have
>>16857587>building a 20 year supply of Orion service modulesdidn't you hear? SLS is a rocket for the next 100 years
>>16857649It still has the seam from when it was injection-molded, sloppy job
>>16857650damn. Although that is a very ambitious goal, I do believe in my heart of hearts that Boeing, NASA, and the US government, if they try really hard, can indeed delay SLS for a full century.
"Hi! Wanna join our Cult? I mean Club!"
>>16857660just typical college shit, what part of it is a cult? I mean more than normal college shit
>>16857661>Instantly white knighting a random female on the internetYikes!
>>16857662>new lagosthis implies there's niggers on mars which is automatically a doomed timeline
https://x.com/kari2030/status/1993759287970288029>The 4th launch video of the Republic of Korea's space launch vehicle Nuriho is released.
>>16857661Enjoying a hobby that involves going outside or talking to people is a very cultish, to some.
>>16857662>detroit>hormuz>mosuluhhh... marsbros?
Future Martian cities>New Musk>Zubrinland>Bradbury City
>>16857676Named for Earther cities that were glassed in the great Martian War of Independence.
>>16857676trust the plan
>>16857690ok, I was worried there for a moment
>>16857679Zubrinland would be the giant mental asylum.
>>16857691Imagine it in there
>>16857715what happens if you dig too deep on mars?
>>16857715holy kino, I want my room to look like that.
>>16857717Nothing, you have to dig too deep AND too greedily before you find out.
>>16857722I mean... is there mithril on mars?dwarfrubbinghands.jpg
For me, it's Ariane 6.
>>16857717I just wanna explore these caves, man, just imagine.
It's not official yet but Vega VV28 is getting delayed. This may slightly delay Ariane 62 VA266
>>16857731>I just wanna explore these caves
>>16857729for me its Ariane-C (c for callisto :p), two callisto strap on boosters powered by 9 Prometheus methalox engines each.
Why haven't we made orbital class nukes?
>>16857737Why would you bother landing the two piddly strap-ons instead of the core stage? Those boosters are the ones that need every bit of efficiency out of them and you're cutting into that greatly with recovery hardware and landing fuel.
>>16857715
>>16857612Do you know what a lie is?
>16857736wtf man lol>>16857743imagine putting some Christmas lights on that ceiling
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/11/ula-aimed-to-launch-up-to-10-vulcan-rockets-this-year-it-will-fly-just-once/>Around this time last year, officials at United Launch Alliance projected 2025 would be their busiest year ever. Tory Bruno, ULA’s chief executive, told reporters the company would launch as many as 20 missions this year, with roughly an even split between the legacy Atlas V launcher and its replacement—the Vulcan rocket.>Now, it’s likely that ULA will close out 2025 with six flights—five with the Atlas V and just one with the Vulcan rocket the company is so eager accelerate into service. Six flights would make 2025 the busiest launch year for ULA since 2022, but it falls well short of the company’s forecast.>Last week, ULA announced its next launch is scheduled for December 15. An Atlas V will loft another batch of broadband satellites for the Amazon Leo network, formerly known as Project Kuiper, from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida. This will be ULA’s last launch of the year.Whenever Tory makes a prediction about how many rocket he's going to launch next year, cut that number in half
>>16857740Because of fun-killing UN treaties
>>16857769whats yellow?is th vatican allowed to launch orbital weapons?
>>16857761>20 (twenty) launches in 2025 btwlol, lmao even
>>16857777ULA doesn't seem to have much issue mass producing Centaurs or Vulcan core stages. There's probably something off nominal going on inside of Northrop.
>>16857715I love LotR so much it’s unreal
>>16857776SignatoriesUnfortunatelly, the pope can't have nukes in orbit, but there's chance for Angola
>>16857761The corrupt Federal government gave ULA a massive backlog of over priced government launches -- Space Force, NRO and Atlas reserved for *giggle* Starliner. That's a solid base.Now the Vulcan contract with Amazon for LEO. With Blue hitting there stride, wonder if they can pull some of those launches back in house.
Another pic of CZ-12A, it seems to be 69m tall with its current 4.2m fairing.There are rumors of a launch and landing as early as December 5th.
The childlike optimism.Actually, think when SpaceX blows up one of these birds on the ground, that should count as a Minus 1.
>>1685780026 launches in 2026
>>16857798I don't think that Amazon will be dropping ULA just yet. They're way behind where they need to be with Leo hardware deployment, and if they're going to make the case to the FCC that they should get an extension for all that spectrum they purchased the rights to, they're going need to prove that they're making every possible effort to get their constellation into orbit and dropping one of their major launch providers doesn't do much to help that case. That said, Dave Limp said recently that Blue is cranking out enough GS-2 stages for monthly launches next year with bimonthly launches starting sometime in 2027. New Glenn is a bit oversized for mainstream commercial work so most of those launches are going to be carrying Leo satellites. Vulcan's not going to be canceled, but I can see it be deprioritized into an effective cancelation, especially if most of Amazon's satellite production gets eaten by New Glenn. Amazon is aiming to produce about 150 satellites per month which is well within New Glenn's capabilities once it starts hitting its stride.
For 2025:"11 launches this year, the answer. With 6 success, 5 failure, no orbit or cargo.>NSFF counts Failures as "Launches"."Ghetto GPA"
>>16857806There are 38 LEO launches in the ULA backlog. At their demonstrated low Vulcan rate, that's the better part of a decade to fly or lI nger. Amazon will be the Moon long before then.
Yikes
>>16857662>>>/wsg/6037831
>>16857717Void Dragon
https://x.com/SegerYU/status/1993878028141969801>It is said to be the landing and recovery site for the first stage of the Zhuque-3 rocket, a 60 m × 60 m square. It's much smaller than the previously mentioned circular one with a diameter of 120 m. The text and patterns on it were probably painted in the last few days, as they weren't visible in last week's satellite images.
>>16857691>>16857715The mattress will need to be at least a couple miles high to get some natural air currents.
>>16857736Man millennial memes do NOT age well
>>16857835Like all things, some did some didn't.
>>16857836Very insightful, actually
>>16857832When is Farrcon 9 launching? Not that they will livestream it anyway….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhAbWnm_oMSoyuz MS-28 is launching in 6 hours, but since that's 4:30AM EST no one is likely to be watching. Here's for the folks with insomnia, I guess.
>>16857843I know I'll be up given that my sleep schedule has been ruined for months.
https://x.com/Alexphysics13/status/1993899620125344231>Looks like we've got the maiden launch of Landspac's ZhuQue-3 rocket happening no earlier than November 29th at 03:52 UTC [10:52 PM EST, Nov. 28th]. Let's see how it goes and if they can get some data on the booster return experiment.
>>16856867>starbase>orbitalare they sure about that?
Bluey McBlueface
>>16857888>>16857886>>16857885I swear that the LM-2F is just ever so slightly asymmetrical even though I know its not.
>>16856990who cares
>>16856188they literally teach us this in our aeroeng curriculum. it is fucking retarded
>>16857891I think it's an effect from how the bottom of the LRB's aren't even with the core
Is we getting treasonous astronaut-politician arrests?
>>16857902No, because soldiers do have a duty to refuse illegal orders.
>a starship 3 months enroute to mars>a COPV explodes/sfg/ isn't prepared for this eventuality
>>16857743Tried to make the lighting a little more realistic and less chatgpt piss-tone.
>>16857843Eurochads win for once
>>16857874Io is a molten shithole
Are radiationfags right or is it a minor concern that can be solved as we develop the technology?
>>16857942>only other terrestrial world other than mercury, venus, earth, luna, and mars>colour spectrum of yellows, greens, reds, and whites>barely any craters but lots of large mountains>the night side is lit up with red hot glowing lava lakesIo is cool.
>>16857943It's all proton radiation, these can be deflected with electrostatic shielding based on plasma sheets.
>>16857567>favouriteEnceladus>least favouriteUranus
>>16857893literally everyone
>>16857943Depends on how bad the radiation is>>16857941Russia isn't Yurop
>>16857962No I mean finally a launch at sane times for Yuropoors
Grok?The 50 mSv given as the single-year limit is actually the regulatory limit for nuclear workers. However, astronauts regularly experience much higher rates. 6 months on the space station is about 100 mSv. An unshielded 2-year journey to Mars and back is about 1 Sv, which is the recommended career limit for astronauts. That 1 Sv would be hit in 40 min on Io, 4 hours on Europa, 3 weeks on Ganymede, or 25 years on Callisto.Callisto is Home. Io is Hell.
>It appears LANDSPACE has won the race to the pad. Newly published airspace closures indicate the maiden flight of Zhuque-3 is targeting a launch window between 04:00 and 06:00 UTC on November 29. The first stage will attempt to land at the recovery pad in Minqin. Below is a compilation of satellite imagery tracking the construction of this site over the past summer. For comparison, I’ve included the Long March 12A recovery infrastructure on the right. Both sites have seen rapid development in preparation for these dual debut recovery attempts.https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1993930164498255949
>>16857943it builds character
>>16857967We will colonise Valhalla.
>>16857969Four reusable Chinese rockets are in the lineup to launch very soon. CZ-12A and ZQ-3 are going to attempt to land the first stage on their maiden flight.>SAST Long March 12A>LANDSPACE Zhuque-3 >SPACE-PIONEER Tianlong-3>CAS-SPACE Kinetica-2
>>16857972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3pF3YUk10A>How Rocket Lab Beat The Billionaire Space Startups - EP 17 Peter Beck
>>16857972any Chinese companied working on 2nd stage reuse?
>>16857843Stream's started.Also on a completely unrelated note, I wonder if anyone got any photos at the Cape back in the spring of 2010 of both Atlantis at 39A and the first F9 at SLC-40 at the same time. It's kind of weird nowadays to think that there was a short period of time when both the Shuttle and F9 were considered active launch vehicles.
>>16857970>Calvin, go stand in the Jupiter plasma torus!>Being irradiated builds character!
>>16857981
>>16857843Soyuz looks so uncomfortable
>>1685784333min
>>16857843why are there 60 people standing around at the pad at t-33? what are they doing?
Once again time to ponder how close those people appear to a fueled rocket.
I love plantains
t-1 minute
Liftoff
pusk
liftoff
soyuz is eternal
Christopher Williams seems like a cool dude
>>16857972What are the odds of a successful landing on their maiden flights?
>>16857976No because unlike western grifters they know SSR is a dead-end meme and are instead focusing on cheap mass to orbit.
>>16857972What are the launch dates for them? The 29th for ZQ3 and december for LM12A but couldn't find the others.>>16858021Very low. Good chance they don't even make it to orbit. At least they're landing on actual land which should make things easier.
>>16858027Someday, someone will make a serious attempt at a Big Dumb Booster
a soyuz just flew above my house
>>16858032The TL-3 and the Kinetica-2 are also targeting a December launch. But they might slip to January. If they can all make December, it's gonna to be busy at JSLC. I wonder if the site can support so many launches in the same month? The support crew will probably running themselves ragged. We're also looking at like another 4 more chinese maiden launches during the first half of 2026. Also, I think that the ZQ-3 and the LM-12 has a decent shot at landing on their first try. Like 50% chance>>16857976>>16858027Landspace is the only one for now. Probably because they're the most heavily funded and most likely to survive out of the dozens of chinese rocket startups. Most of the other companies are struggling to stay alive, and can't devote money into developing 2nd stage reuse. But once the sucessful companies survive and get into a secure position, all of them will eventually try their hand at a Starship clone.
>>16858044
>>16858040I don't think tianlong and kinetica are long for this world. Both of those are kerolox and thus won't be able to compete with the other twos refurb time, since they are methalox. Shame they launch outdated.
>>16858040TL3 maiden launch is from wenchang nut jiuquan
>>16858027You can't have cheap mass to anywhere without complete reusability.
It's that easy in rendesvouzery
Happy thanksgiving [math]\unicode{x1F983}[/math]
>>16858078Amerika can't fast rodevouz, yankee teknik can only dock 24h after launch
>>16858081Why does Dragon take so long to rondeyvoo?
>>16858088because russkies cheat by launching at the right inclination and by not having all the layers of NASA bureaucracy that won't allow fun things
Was it Scott Manley?
>>16857576I thought they announced something about new actors for the next season the other day but I can't find the article. That Star City spinoff seems to have disappeared too.
>>16858114People don’t deserve money
>>16858070Nah, the TL3 is confirmed launching at JSLC.
Venus cloud cities when?
ESA secured nearly 22.1 billion euros at the ministerial, almost exactly the request (22.25 billion).
>>16858147Not soon enough.
>>16858070This doesn't look like Hainan
>>16858068Everything will likely be obsolete in 10-15 years anyway, because of Starship clones. So, considering that the development cycle of a new rocket is about 10 years, and considering that demand will vastly exceeds supply over the next 15 year period, how much does it really matter?>Shame they launch outdated.Nah, it's good that the Chinese launch industry is technologically diversified. It means that the industry, viewed as a whole, is hedged in case of project failures.
>>16857969>won the raceA few months here or there for when a company first erects or first launches a rocket is immaterial. What matters is how fast a company will be able to ramp up the launch cadence.
>>16858164I don't think technological diversity is in and of itself good when we know there are better solutions. Methalox is just better for reuse than kerolox. Theres no real benefit to running a kerolox rocket in the modern world anymore and I doubt any tech innovation will change this.
>>16858168It's better on paper. It's not yet proven with an empirical track record, certainly not in China. There could be pitfalls down the road.
>>16858169And even if it indeed turns out to be better, there could be unexpected long delays to reaching that point
>>16858169You can just look at how clean new glenn is compared to falcon9 when it comes down to see how obviously better it is reuse.
What happened to Long March 6A? It hasn't launched since October 17. The usual pad turnaround time is 3 weeks. Problems with the payload again?
Any news on Isar launch 2?
>>16858175>you just knowUntil you've launched at least twenty times and thoroughly evaluated the empirical data, you don't know for sure that you aren't going to stumble into some unforeseen pitfall. China is a large country that can afford to run multiple development projects in parallel; it does not need to bet everything on one unproven technology working out perfectly, and so it should not do it.
>>16858182>Until you've launched at least twenty times and thoroughly evaluated the empirical data, you don't knowlolYes you can in fact just know things without having to do a double blind peer reviewed study. Parachutes do in fact work.
>>16858175This is likely true, but you 100% cannot tell that just by looking at how clean it is
>>16858188>Parachutes do in fact work.I'm not talking about physical inspection. You need about twenty launches in order to have a high probability of detecting issues that might not crop up on every launch, but which are still likely enough to occur that they might affect the economics of the technology
>>16858194>I'm not talking about physical inspection.Neither was I.
>>16858196Then why did you mention parachutes?
>>16858199It's an old joke about how there has never been a scientific study showing that parachutes are effective in preventing deaths from high falls and thus cannot be recommended.It makes fun of the dogmatic verificationists like you, hence why I referenced it.
>>16857943linear no threshold is pseudoscience
>>16858202There's plenty of real world data from the use of parachutes, though. They've been used many many times. It's not about whether anyone wrote a formal paper on it, it's about whether there is an actual real world track record which confirms that there are no unforeseen problems with the technology that would make it economically unviable.Let me explain what I mean. Suppose there is an unforeseen problem, which causes a launch failure with probability p. Suppose that p > 0.1 makes the economics of the rocket unviable. The probability of detecting such an issue after 20 launches is at least 1-0.9^20 = 88%. So after about 20 launches you can be quite confident that there is no unforeseen issue which will wreck the economics of the rocket.
>>16858211>There's plenty of real world data from the use of parachutes, though. They've been used many many times.
>>16858193>>16858175kerolox is manageable and would perform fine but methalox is just more optimal for reuse
>>16857612>non-huma intelligencehilarys_pet_witch.png
>>16858211In the case of reusable rockets, there is also the additional matter that you need to reuse it many times under real conditions in order to be sure how many times you can reuse it and whether refurbishment cost and/or time might increase with additional reuse. How much wear and tear engine components suffer, etc. You can test engines over and over again on the test stand, you can conduct static fire tests over and over again, but those conditions are not 100% realistic. How many times the rocket can be reused, and by how much refurbishment cost and/or time might increase with additional reuse, are key factors that determine the economics of the rocket.
>>16858216The RD-180 is still such a fucking fascinating engine in the big 25. It was so ahead of its time
>>16858218yes
How do I attain this physique?
4ASS bros, we made it
>>16858222crazy what unlimited funding and willingness to burn hardware can accomplish
>>16858235
Is Hspace a new rocket company?
https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1994066008621904260>Well, something bad happened to Baikonur's Pad 31/6 after today's launch. While it might take a long time to fix, the worst thing is that this is the only active pad for ISS missions.
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1994069861757079655>Seems like flame trench tiles got blown off?https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1994074613735653409>As far as I understood, it's even worse. Looks like a crew access structure/platform, whatever it's called, collapsed after the liftoff and fell/slided into the flame trench. Either it wasn't properly secured after it was retracted away from the rocket, or something else failed.
>>16858248that's bad
>>16858247DRONED.COM
>>16858248the ass fell off
>>16858253It's not catastrophically pressing. 31/6 won't be required again until Soyuz MS-29 launches in July. Progress MS-33 was going to be launching from 31 next month, but that's going to be delayed now. If repair work is going to take a while it could probably fly out of site-1S at Vostochny. https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1994080246870499432>Drone footage (4x speed) for better understanding
>>16858246New name of "Fancy Space/Tianzhang Rocket" and have existed for a couple years, they're a launcher subsidiary of Earth Observation company PIESAT/Hongtu Aerospace. They seem to be buying engines form Jiuzhou Yunjian.
It would not surprise me if the Russians have been penny pinching on the maintenance of an old launch pad in Kazakhstan that they don't intend to use for much longer
>The second launch occurred on 28 November 2017, also from Site 1S, with a Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat carrying Meteor-M No.2-1. The mission was declared a failure after telemetry was lost and the rocket re-entered the atmosphere due to the Fregat upper stage being programmed for a launch from Baikonur rather than the new Vostochny Cosmodrome.[23][24]lol
>>16858270thumbnail makes me want to play terraria
>>16858284not Elite?
>>16858248The Russians have fallen from grace haven't they?
>>16858273I can believe that, but even with the average flight rates 31/6 still had 10 Soyuz missions and 15 progress launches before the ISS's decommissioning in 2030. Five launches per year over the next fives years isn't a low flight rate for the average launch complex.
>spend $100 million on leasing Baikonur>I know, let's save money by spending $10 billion on a new launch sitewhy, Russia
>>16858292Because once you spend the $10B, you're done and you have a launch complex. If you keep using Baikonur you're paying $100M per year to Kazakhstan forever.
>>16858292Leverage.If the Vostochny project did not exist, Kazakhstan might've jacked up the lease fee to far more than $100m
>>16858287Seems like a classic case of a construction company bilking its subcontractors and suppliers after the job has been done
>>16858290It can be hard to predict when exactly metal fatigue, cracks, etc will cause catastrophic failure. The Russians might have bet that the pad would hold for another 25 launches.
>>16858264>It's not catastrophically pressing. 31/6 won't be required again until Soyuz MS-29 launches in July. Progress MS-33 was going to be launching from 31 next month, but that's going to be delayed now. If repair work is going to take a while it could probably fly out of site-1S at Vostochny.That pad won't be usable for months, if not years, and no other pads currently support the ISS going Soyuz and Progress spacecraft.
lightening detected on Mars for the first time, through rover contact by dust devils and in association with broader storm frontsall conclusions called several months ago in this general with major implications for Mars mission crew safety including candidate sites and weather patternshttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09736-y
Given that Starship is made mostly of steel, what is the forecast for it's performance in an uncontrolled Martian environment characterized by exposure to electrical discharge?Do these new findings represent the discovery or acknowledgement of a hazard that could jeopardize any mission using Starship as a platform?Because of it's shape and composition, there could be the danger of charge buildup and static. Would known countermeasures be sufficient, and could maintenance be a necessary liability?
>>16858313STOP asking questions
>>16858315man, elon sometimes looks scary
>>16858313Seeing how new these findings are, they probably haven't even considered that. Who knows if it's even a risk.Maybe some thin, non-conductive covering could be enough, like ceramic or enamel.
>>16858313It's best to not take whatever the guy says seriously, esp (hypothetical) lunar or martian variants
>>16858323That's my worry.This design has been in the works for so many years that in it's very early stages this might not have been realized before steel was chosen.From everything I can tell about it's tolerances, they are oriented around an Earth based launch schema.Which involves infrastructure, environmental polarity controls, weather monitoring, mitigation etc.In a Martian context these systems simply do not exist yet.An ESD event could be a determining factor in outcomes, with that in mind.
>>16858309>Earth: landslides, avalanches, earthquakes, sinkholes, coastal erosion, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, heat waves, droughts, duststorms, firestorms, wildfires, floods, thunderstorms, cyclones, tornadoes, blizzards, hailstorms>Mars: duststorms, dust devils, electrical discharges, avalanches, solar stormsYeah, I think I'll take my chances with the largely geologically dead world, fucking doomers.
>>16858329Assuming a budding Mars base, there should be enough weather monitoring built in-place to reduce the risks (as it seems these discharges happens in dust clouds/devils), so a first step would be waiting for clear weather during operations (which is not very different from rocket operations here on Earth). So gathering weather data and modelling becomes even more important.Long term stay of a Starship would probably require covering the whole ship, maybe with some insulating cloth or even underground storage.Unforseen issues will always happen when you try to push the frontier, they'll have to plan accordingly. Even more so when you are months away from support from Earth.
>>16858313Good thing Starship will never land on Mars and is just a constellation/data center launch vehicle.
>>16858327his predictions are still way better than the rest of the industry combined.
>>16858331>go outside>dieI'd rather take my chances on Earth.
>>16858333Choice in insulating materials used for the interior and exterior will take serious consideration.The planetwide dust storms are semi-predictable since they generally coincide with the proximity of Mars to the sun and it's solar energetic particles.But the static buildup problem should be dealt with early, shouldn't be too difficult but will need to be addressed in planning stage.
>>16858340There are no black people on Mars, therefore, you are statistically less likely to die there than on Earth.
>>16858292Are you really asking this as Baikonur is falling apart?
What is /sfg/ thankful for?
>>16858356my job
How hard would it be for someone with no modelling experience to replace the kittens in KSA with stylised tardigrades?
https://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikonur_r7_31.html#cabin
>China has to launch emergency capsule after leak found in orbit>now Russia's launchpad brokeWhat next? Dragon abort?
>>16858371I still think it would be best with Space Flight Gnomes
time to dust off the shuttles I suppose
>>16858356Having a job
>>16858380bring back the KINO
>>16858313Why not just grounding them
>>16858155That is useful in zero gravity, you're not going to lose the cap.
https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1994130673830121924>Official Roscosmos statement regarding the launch pad damage.>The space rocket launched without incident. The ship successfully docked with the International Space Station. The crew is on board and in good health. The launch pad was inspected, as is done every time a rocket is launched. Damage to several launch pad components was identified. Damage can occur after launch, so such inspections are mandatory worldwide. The launch pad's condition is currently being assessed. All necessary spare components are available for repair, and the damage will be repaired shortly.
>>16858406>shortly
Give me ONE (1) good reason why SpaceX is targeting Phlegra Montes instead of Deuteronilus Mensae.
>>16858383>killing astronauts is kino
>>16858413Ice. Cool mountains. Closer proximity to Korolev Crater. Closer proximity to lava tubes.
>>16858371Fuck off with these dumb fatass bugs>>16858379This is better
>>16858417Cinematography is when the stakes are sky-high.
>>16858413Deuteronilus Mensae is gay
>>16858345You aren't on Mars, therefore, you are statistically less likely to die there than on Earth.
>>16858356Getting a job in my field this year despite how many are going to jeets
>>16858413It's easier to pronounce
>>16858428with AI and cheap jeet labor I've just given up on getting a job.
>>16858356being alive in the most interesting times
>>16858413deute whatever is wrinkly, eww
>>16858304Why not just fly up crew and cargo on Starliner? That's what it's for.*giggles*
>>16858068Both have gotten significant local government and state investment as is customary in China. They probably are longer for this world than they should.
Elon takes SpaceX into the Dark Web. For what evil purpose?
how long will repairs take?
>>16858453What's an "unmarked wallet"
>>16858453trust the plan, he's playing 5d chess
>>16857780imagine if these guys had their own engine program, huge mistake to buy everything from other people
>>16858456probably publically unkown owner or something
>The newly-expanded Expedition 73 crew. In the front row (from left) are the newest crew members Chris Williams from NASA and Roscosmos cosmonauts Sergey Kud-Sverchkov and Sergei Mikaev. In the back are, NASA astronaut Mike Fincke, Roscosmos cosmonaut Sergey Ryzhikov, NASA astronauts Jonny Kim and Zena Cardman, Roscosmos cosmonaut Alexey Zubritsky, JAXA (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency) astronaut Kimiya Yui, and Roscosmos cosmonaut Oleg Platonov. Back row: the shadowy figure of a little girl who drowned in a well while fetching water, one hundred years ago -- on this very day.
>>16858465>little girl who drowned in a well?????
"I've got yesterday a letter from the NASA administration to confirm the contributions of NASA to Rosalind Franklin," ESA Director General Josef Aschbacher told reporters at the opening of the meeting. "So, this is certainly something that is good news."NASA continues to disobey the direct orders of the President. Shut them back down and fire everyone.
>>16858468less rovers is good?
NASA astronauts on board the International Space Station (ISS) will enjoy an off-duty day for Thanksgiving, along with a group meal that features some celebratory foods.This fall, NASA included a "Holiday Bulk Overwrapped Bag," or BOB, on a resupply mission that went up to the station. The bag contained festive items like clams, oysters, crab meat, quail, and smoked salmon. They'll also have traditional fare like turkey and mashed potatoes, all packaged up in ways that won't cause a mess in microgravity. "We've even got some lobster, which is amazing. So I think it's going to be a really, really delicious meal."One Percenters.
>>16858465>3 of 5 cosmonauts on the ISS right now named SergeiHow confusing.
>>16858468Cite the direct order in question.
>>16858377>NASA continues to disobey the direct orders of the President. Shut them back down and fire everyone.My bets on the Ariane 6 launch in mid december has a failure damaging ground facilities.
>>16858483how the hell did that green text get in there?
>>16858479I hate popular names, why can't parents be more original.>Muslim parents: yeah, let's name him Muhammad :^)>Mexican parents: yeah, let's name him Juan :^)>Balkan parents: yeah, let's name him Luka :^)Elon tried to disrupt the name industry with his X Æ A-12 project, but I don't think that went well.
>>16858485you had it highlighted
Cuddling in VRChat with my furry bf in space is the /sfg/ way to solve the male loneliness epidemic.
https://x.com/katlinegrey/status/1994168311530324222Close view of today's accident on Pad 31. This is the so called maintenance cabin, a big construction which stays under the launch complex until the rocket is ready for launch. About an hour before the launch it slides into a special closed room, and did that for 60 years. How could this hundreds-of-tons metal construction ended up in a flame trench? As always, today the cabin was moved to the enclosed room, which was confirmed by the report we clearly heard during the launch broadcast (T-44:17). Most experts I've asked are agree that in this case the locks which hold the cabin in the launch position were either not closed properly or were broken for some reason (we can only guess why before we see the commission's report). When the rocket launches, a thrust is created in the room below it, directed towards the flame trench, and in the opposite direction from the room where the maintenance cabin is. If the locks are unreliable, the resulting thrust can pull the cabin out of its shelter and throw it into the flame trench, which may have happened today. I'm not insisting that this is the exact cause of the accident, but it's what the experts I talked to considered likely.
>>16858373blyat
Could we build a spacecraft that could reasonably withstand the flares and CMEs from M-type stars with current tech? What about probes?
>>16858383This space agency still kills its astronauts the old fashioned way
>>16858383its almost exactly the same thing
>>16858510no
>>16858510yes
>>16858512>We are here to inspire the next generation!>*launches on a Wednesday at 2am*
/sfg/ - /Shuttle Flaying General/
>>16858468Reminder that this piece of shit has been in development for nearly TWENTY EIGHT YEARS
>>16858523so?
>>16858524For a shitty little rover that's going to land in YET ANOTHER FUCKING CRATERWHAT IS THEIR OBSESSION WITH CRATERS?!?!? LAND IN THE MARINER VALLEY OR KOROLEV OR SOMETHING GODDAMN IT
>>16858528write to your congressman
>>16858528gradatim ferociter.
>>16858516there's a very short launch window because of the weird maneuver slsb1 has to do :(
>>16858528ESA -- land? Cor, pull the other one.
>>16857975>rocket lab beat the billionaire space startupsin what sense?is this a "I peed my pants and cried so hard they were too embarrassed to keep hitting me" thing?
>>16858417>"what color are they?"
>>16858340>go outside>see a black personI'd rather take my chances on Mars.
>>16857987Russians: the Void calls to them
sfg is dead
>>16858556never
>>16858556thankfullyhttps://youtu.be/hOyQ3nTDgCs
>>16858407two years is short in aerospace terms
https://x.com/TheSpacePirateX/status/1993984778618720566>Here’s how the launch of the Soyuz MS-28 spacecraft looked from aboard the International Space Station. Shared by Cosmonaut Alexey Zubritsky.
>>16858564>two yearslol, lmao
>>16857761>aerospace CEO caught lyingso... we should nationalize ULA and imprison Tory Bruno, right? or that only works with Musk?
goodnight /sfg/!
>>16858602buenas noches, anon.
>>16856058Are these things exploding because it's the same design as that exploding submarine with the carbon fiber pill shape vs the chad deep sea titanium spheres?
I understand why manned flights out of Vostochny wouldn’t be possible right now, but why can’t Progress supply ships? It’s at a similar longitude.
>V3 blew up>starliner is kill>chinese station is kill>soyuz is killsave us jeff
>>16858626Chinese station is kill? I heard they had a spacecraft issue and sent up a replacement capsule, but nothing about the station itself (other than the obvious problems they're going to have forevermore from cooking greasy food in zero-G)
>>16858627China hasn't had any issues they've had to be public about, but they have had a number of EVA's that included adding additional micrometeoroid armoring to the station. The ISS has to perform dozens of debris avoidance maneuvers every year. The CSS performs the usual orbit raising maneuvers, but if it's not dodging as often as the ISS is it'll be picking up more than a few dents.
>>16858631It's Tianggobg, not CSS.
>>16858626"No"
>>16858510depends on what distance
>>16858626>Bezos: the hero we need but don't deserve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nUYN_7z8kA>Booster 18 Explosion Explained! Starbase Flyover Update 108
>June 2025: To address the issue, COPVs on upcoming flights will operate at a reduced pressure with additional inspections and proof tests added prior to loading reactive propellants onto a vehicle. SpaceX has also updated its COPV acceptance criteria and developed a new non-destructive evaluation method to detect internal COPV damage. New external covers are also being added to COPVs during their integration, adding an additional layer of protection and visual indication of potential damage. Every lesson learned, through both flight and ground testing, continues to feed directly into designs for the next generation of Starship and Super Heavy.*explodes again*
>baikonur launch pad is KILLwhat's next for the russian space programme?
>>16858710I think Baikonur is gonna be as good as dead once the ISS is gone anyway, so it'll be interesting to see if they even bother to repair it at all.
>>16858720Nonsense, the next russian orbital station is just two weeks away!
>>16858720They claim to have spare parts, and I guess they'd be NASA-tier retarded if they didn't since it's all stuff that gets blasted by the plume every time.
>>16858626so where is Ariane?
>>16858623Progress launches on Soyuz 2.1a, which Vostochny supports already. I don’t see why it can’t be done on paper. Unless there is issues getting the progress vehicle down to vostochny, they might have transportation issues on that side of things—isn’t vostochny limited by tiny train tunnels that severely restrict what can be transported out there? Also I’m not sure if Progress is considered a heavier payload and required special ground equipment, so perhaps Vostochny isn’t equipped to do heavier Soyuz 2.1a’s after all…Likely what will happen is that Russia will just tell the unfortunate crew of MS-28 that they are staying an entire year+ on the station now while they whittle away at trying to fix Baikonur. I doubt Russia will choose the other option here, which is putting more cosmonauts on Dragon. They’re too stubborn and proud to do this.But they’ll have to find a way to also get cargo to the station.
I've been away since last Saturday with almost no internet access. Did anything interesting happen in spaceflight?
>>16858800Lots of Falcon 9s.A Nuri rocket launched out of South Korea, pretty uneventful and boring.Soyuz MS-28 with POCKOCMOC/NASA astronauts launched out of Baikonur yesterday and absolutely raped the launch site. The launch itself was safe and fine, but the entire launch pad is fucked because apparently the retards at POCKOCMOC left a large metal structure in the flame trench or something and everything got blasted and uplifted and thrown around and destroyed and now they can’t launch payloads out of Kazakhstan, which is where all of their ISS-related shit launches from. Damage is estimated as “heavy,” with many speculating a long time before it can be repaired again
lolhttps://x.com/russianspaceweb/status/1994416749354115110
NOTAM suggests Zhuque-3 is NET Monday
>>16858827rest-of-the-world-combined bros?
>>16858824Russia just can't catch a break this week
gentlemen, behold
>>16858839>unknown technology
>>16858839>shame [unintelligible]
hmm
>>16858844This would be, at most, a 5-work-day fix for SpaceX. Will be interested in seeing how long it’ll take mother russia to address this
>>16858824"Looks like I picked a bad week to stop drinking RP1."
>>16858864;_;
>>16858864why is her profile name so long
>>16858867Quasi-Zenith Satellite System Michibiki Ambassador
>>16858864they made her cry :(
>>16858824https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1994461528767050058Video. Anatoly said earlier that he thinks one of the SRB pushers that are supposed to kick it out of the silo then detach accidentally stayed on and dragged the rocket back down
>>16858808Imagine if we didn't have Dragon.
>>168588341 and counting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVwK8GkDfowTransporter 15 (finally) launching in T-10:00
>>16858900https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1YqKDNLQdPAJV
there sure are a lot of lil sensing / com sats that people want launched
>>16858864"Baiko -- more like Baka!"
big sat: moves to launch site on dedicated transport jumbo jetsmol sat: lol pelican case with some shock monitors on it
LandSpace are going to stream ZQ3 maiden launch, right? They are going to want us to witness the first Chinese orbital booster landing, right?
lunchoff
Max-Qute!Can't wait for my wife to watch the replay when she wakes up! It's a very pretty launch :) :) :)
blue skies today
https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/smallsatellites/2025/11/26/nasa-cost-saving-technology-demo-is-ready-for-launch/cool
uh oh, that doesn't look good
oh wow, that looks great
this looks okay
>>16858924I don’t think that’s supposed to be in the flame trench. It’s supposed to be directly under the rocket lol
>>16858918>motherboards
>>16858925it's just resting
>>16858894>hey vlad, our astronauts are stuck on the ISS, could you send up a ride for them?
>SpaceX: 543>Rest of the world combined: 1 :^)
>>16858930when you use the metric of reflown boosters, it's still >Rest of the world combined: 0
NROL-77 is yet another RTLS F9. Why are these spoopsats lightweight?
What's up with Electron? Are they ever going to refly a booster or did they give that up and now focusing on Neutron?
>>16858931>rest of the world combined: 0 reflown boosterswrong
>>16858924I'm sure they can yank some resources from the war to rebuild that pad. I wonder how much of it they will try to salvage and reuse lolExactly zero American astronauts will fly from here again, ever
>>16858937this is on my daughter's christmas list
>>16858935Last I heard, they were still planning to reuse a booster, but still no exact dates. So far, they managed to refly one of those Rutherford engines. Here's a more detailed timelinehttps://old.reddit.com/r/RKLB/comments/1irq3g5/a_history_of_electron_reusability_timeline/>inb4 plebbityeah
>>16858939Might be cheaper to upgrade pad 1/5 for Soyuz-2
>>16858924good separation of stage -1unlike later stages, much easier to salvage!
>>16858887So the twin VAB is finished? When is LC-201 going to start launching large numbers of LM8s?
Good time for Russia to leave the ISS program, they're getting sanctioned by their partners anyways.
>>16858940Can I have sex with her? Please?
>>16858947she's 10
>>16858948legal under Martian law>1 Martian year = 1.88 Terra years
>>16858948outta 10!
>>16858900they need better camera angles for Transporter missions. I've only seen one out of the dozens of deployments so far.
>>16858940>dad I want a rogget ship3=====D~~
Mars lightning omg
>>16858959Another atmosphere to remove
>>16858959We got Mars lightning confirmation before venus lightning confirmation damn
>>16858900Wow, 3.9 Gs at MECO. I thought F9 was only rated for 3 Gs on cargo flights and less for manned flights.
There are going to be even more pictures of booster internals
>>16858966https://www.spacex.com/assets/media/falcon-users-guide-2025-05-09.pdf
https://x.com/torybruno/status/1994485057537675686>It’s a big VIF (-A) when you can park 2 mobile launch platforms inside and still have room for couple of basketball courts…I can build two Vulcan rockets at once. I won't, but I can if I want to.
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>>16858918I can't be the only one seeing a robot with a boner
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