what does /sp/ think?
unbelievable luck for Spanish clubs honestly
>>144071049I am a UEFA hater, but I find it kino and unless you are retarded, you must admit this is better than than elder format:1. Eight teams advance directly.2. 9-24 teams must play an eliminatory game to advance.3. 12 teams are directly eliminated.So it is funny because there are high incentives to be one of the best eight teams, and it is much better than the former group stage.t. madridista who supported Superliga
PSG had the unluckiest draw, Celtic the luckiest
>>144071156Yes. PSG is fucked this year. But Farsa too even if they had so much luck, because they suck.
My only problem is that its impossible to verify the draw's integrity and the balls were already shady enough. As for the format itself i must admit that provides a lot of tasty games. Im very happy with my team's draw, a bit unlucky with Pot 3 but whatever
>>144071049They made a format easier to rig for Madrid
>>144071049new system is kinoPSG and liverpool are cooked
>>144071264>>144071264
>realistically only need 7 points to progress>PSG might not even get that
>>144071319So it's the same amount of matches?
>>144071049Good matches for the Villa, just need to go out there and put up a fight in those home games
>>144071319Are round of 16 and forward single matches?
>>144071342 >You play 8 games >4 home 4 away >Standard 4 pot draw >You play one club from your pot and two from every other >36 teams >Each team plays 2 teams from each pot, 1 home and 1 away for a total of 8 games >top 8 advance to last 16 >9th to 26th (or 24th i dunno) play eachother >whoever wins joins the last 16 >there's no groups >each team plays against a random group from the entire pool of teams >they get points as if they were playing in a group stage >they all get compared in a huge table with those points >top clubs at the end get to skip part of the play offs, bottom clubs are kill
Liverpool are toast.
>>144071342no it's two legs except for the final like before
>>144071342>knockout stages remain unchangedread it brother
>>144071342They say the knockouts are unchanged, so it probably it's still 2 leg matches till the final
>>144071356You play two clubs from your own pot
>>144071378>>144071364>>144071370Isn't that a lot of matches?
>>144071356>>there's no groupsSo does this mean we won't get any final day points kino?
>>144071234Enjoy these moments while Barça is down cause we will be back.After years of humiliations and constant slander and mockery we will return.This German coach who inflicted us the most embarrassing defeat in Europe has come to Barça to set things right.This is his way of apologizing for the evil he caused and avoid burning in hell for that awful sin against the best team in the world.He knows that it was an unnecessary abuse and will now avenge us and triumph over all the shit clubs that laughed at us.Madrid, Atletico, PSG, Bayern, Roma, Manutd, Frankfurt, Liverpool, Juventus... you will suffer.A new triplete shines in the horizon and we are the owners.And this time we won't take prisoners, we will humiliate rivals and return twice what they did to us.You will pay for kicking us down when we had our worst moment, you will apologize and you will kneel.You will also beg us to forgive all the slander against us, from Negreira, to the levers and Stamford Bridge, you will wish you had not posted those comments or shared those biased videos.We will score a goal for every uefalona post you made, we won't stop until every kid in the stadium can't cry no more.YOUWILLPAYVisca el Barça i visca Catalunya!
>>144071049ehm, where is the opponents table for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pots?
>>144071394no we absolutely will, because all the teams are in one group now fighting for a spot to advance
>>144071391that's the point, it earns them more money
>>144071394quite the contrary
>>144071260yup :)holyfuck, I never really clocked PSGs mathces before. They still only need to win 3 to get further tho, and no more Mbappe to fuck shit up. And if they cant do that, then they cant complain.
>>144071411Visca!
>>144071342>>144071356you actually face 2 teams for each pot, since it's 8 matches now. The only caveat is that you cant face teams from your country and can only meet 2 teams that of the same country (ex: you meet Real and Barca, you can't meet anyone else)
>>144071234>t. madridista who supported SuperligaWhat's it like not having a soul?
>>144071413nobody cares about the irrelevant teams
>>144071394>>144071415On the final matchday there will be 18 matches going on at the same time. CHAOSKINO incoming
Won't truly know until they rig the schedule to make some of the harder games potentially pointless for the better teams by putting them at the end of it.
>>144071466By then almost everything will be resolved
>>144071049>what does /sp/ think?I THINK IT'S SHITE
>>144071394It's just reduced to 4 groups with more teams and either a home or away game against a team in your group.It's not that hard to understand.
>>144071391>>144071419Not only more money, but also makes it pretty much obligatory to for big teams to meet each other for the extra viewership. Now you can get them instantly instead of having to hope to get them or wait the late stages of the competition
>>144071049So the pots are basically seed groups? So each team plays 2 top seed teams, 2 second seed, 2 third seed, 2 bottom seed?Were the pots already decided and the draw was just about who was gonna play who from each pot (I missed most of the draw, please be gentle)?
>>144071049That format just makes sure all the usual sharks have it easy and fucks over the smaller club to minimise the chances of upsets and get more blockbuster games. even PSG who got a "difficult" draw will still easily make it
>>144071156>Luck
>>144071488They had an actual AI drawing the groupsand CR7 had to press a big button every time to activate it
>>144071491Imo the hardest one or top 3 for sure. Got lucky with Leipzig
>>144071360Who did Man Utd get?
>>144071491every game is tough its over for pool
>>144071488Yes, that is what it was.
Also the first matchday will have matches on tuesday, wednesday and thursday
>>144071491>BolognaWho invited these guys? Where's Napoli or Roma?
>>144071520>he thinks an RNG is AImy God that peninsula is worthless
>>144071049Want to improve the CHAMPIONS league? Remove pot 4, 3 and 2 and have pot 1 play a league
>>144071534watch uel for roma and napoli was shit last year
Someone make a nasser draw reaction webm
>>144071049Now that I've seen the fixtures laid out like that, this format is brutal. Surely some big name teams are gonna get completely fucked? Look at PSG's and Barca's fixtures kek.
>>144071534Spaghettis eaters shat the bed and we got bologna instead, but is ok because >we send Man City Z team too
>>144071546gl getting an RNG to draw that, you quarterwit
>>144071534>Napoli Had a 2015/16 chelsea tier season after winning the league, finished midtable and had 3 different managers>RomaGot an UEL spot
the amount of extra high-intensity matches per year is going to generate so many injuries
>>144071528europa league draw is tomorrow blud
>>144071548go away Floit would get repetitive af
>>144071488>So the pots are basically seed groups? So each team plays 2 top seed teams, 2 second seed, 2 third seed, 2 bottom seed?Yes>Were the pots already decided and the draw was just about who was gonna play who from each potYes, the pots are decided by UEFA coefficient, so they were known since the final qualification round yesterday. Although this had barely any effect on pot 1 and 2, as most teams from theses pots qualified directly
>>144071573Sorry, couldn't hear you with all this money flowingt.UEFA
>>144071573It will generate Mbubu being 16 and starting vs Ajaccio on a Sunday night. The domestic leagues will lose even more relevancy
>>144071584Neverminded that the pots are pointless anyways
>>144071534Napoli was (and still is) a disaster after Spalletti leftRoma has been mediocre for years, only salvaged by EL/ECL performanceBologna was the most exciting team in Italy last year
>>144071563>simple python code to check league and pot # is AI nowgrim post from the land of turing
>>144071391It's 2 or 4 more matches for each team. A lot more money.
>>144071411Anulo mufa
it's over
it's crazy that despite all the justified shitting on UEFA they actually managed to create a Superleague and get it rightif the clubs weren't such greedy fucks and didn't try to kill national leagues and keep ALL the money for themselves we could have done away with these sleazy suits
>>144071628Im sorry anon, but it was over before it even started
>>144071645yup
>>144071563Rigging Generator
I thought it was overcomplicated. They sold it in a good way. Let’s see how it goes
>>144071617'simple python code' ≠ RNGbut let me know when you finished reversingOnly The Power of AI™ could handle the complexities of this job.
>>144071645>>144071656Still dont trust Uefa enough, considering their track record. But for now we'll have to wait and see
>>144071573not my problem
>>144071480Best teams will have been decided, but there'll be a lot of struggling going on to secure the direct R16 spot or to avoid getting eliminated.
>>144071645>if the clubs weren't such greedy fucksWhich is way teams like Slovan Bratislava and Young Boys will lose their spot. Why not simply add Manchester United? Chelsea? Even Tottenham? Maybe someone buys Everton and they become big too...The precedent has been open with this format, its only a matter of time for more changes
>>144071528
Surely this will lead to teams basically choosing whether they focus on only their domestic league or CL even more than before?With the amount of hard games straight away and more games in general you'll have teams who give up on either the league or the CL pretty quickly depending on their early results in each competition.On the other hand an optimistic view might be that this format leads to domestic leagues becoming more competative as the managers of top teams are forced to rotate their teams much more than they already do.
>>144071687Actually, arent they doing the "heritage spots" or whatever that shit is called for next year? I know that was an idea thrown around, dont know if it went ahead
>>144071645greed is a deadly sin. florentino is wise, but not that wise. next time he'll know how to do it right.
>>144071319So if you're here, you are fucked.
>>144071628dont give up!
>>144071520>>144071546>AI>RNGThere's not need to talk about Buffon like that. He did his best.
>>144071694The entire format just added 2+ additional gamesI imagine the city, bayern, madrid and the like will already be qualified by that time so they will rotate their squads in the lasts meaningless matches
>>144071694the tactical play is to just win 2 games, throw the rest to finish in the knockout zone and then use your full strength side for the one knockout game
>>144071617They used a backtracking algorithm probably.Also, I'm absolutely convinced that, assuming that they didn't just fake the entire "random" part and rig the whole thing, they had their randomizer work once and the drawing of lots and showing rivals piece by piece was just for show.Writing code to calculate the whole thing is trivial, writing code to calculate the whole thing piece by piece is not.
>>144071671kek An LLM could quite possibly spit out code that could solve this problem in milliseconds it's literally some abstract Hierarchie of computational complexity theory below AIdisgusting how this shit gets marketed
>>144071706Florentino knows its impossible for a club outside of England to compete with english teams long term and if its impossible to do so for Real Madrid then the rest is screwed too.The money will keep flowing in England, more people, more money, more foreign investment... He was trying to get a piece of the cake too, get an even playing field for his club.
>as nobody else bothered so far..<Pot 3 fixtures
>>144071694>choosinglmao... yeah let's chose to be poorer. Sure. I love freedom of choice!
>>144071731Except UEFA will punish such insubordination to their profits with super riggi , so you must also account for economics.does this sport have any metrics which account for GDP per capita per fan?
>>144071726>>144071731Ah yeah I didn't think of that. I was hoping the format might lead to unusual teams having a chance of getting to the knockout stages or even winning it but I guess it's mainly about making more money for the big clubs.
>>144071775<Pot 4 fixtures
>>144071049Betting on Bayern topping the table.
>>144071049Super league + playoffs you fucking retards. Keep putting lipstick on that pig though I guess.
>>144071775Lille draw almost as yolo as PSG holy kek
>>144071779>will punish such insubordination to their profits with super riggilmao by doing that exactlyPutting them in the dreaded "POT 4" for the next season?
>>144071332I think we'll lose to Bayern, lose to Leipzig, win all the other games, maybe draws depending on fitness. Not a bad draw.
>>144071808You know that there is nothing we can do about it, right?
>>144071782Remember that now there 36 teams in only 1 big group, so every point and goal counts, so if one of those unusual teams gets to win say.. 4 or 5 games there is a serious chance it may pull some upset
>>144071411havent been on spee for a couple of daysis this a new pasta?
>>144071817Same rigging modus operandi as usual
>>144071671>d = randint(1, 9) Here you go. Random. and I'm trash in coding.
>>144071861NTA but saw some american post it a couple days ago but i think he was using it as a pasta too (or alteast i hope so)
>>144071234CL kino is back babyits lit, no pyro no party
>>144071744yes I think they generated a large number of matchups and automatically eliminated a bunch and simply chose one from the remaining.
Strikes me as retarded and gay
>>144071790>>144071775ty
>>144071817Putting someone on pot 4 does nothing.They still play 2 teams from every other pot.
>>144071049I like it, more different games and some good fixtures.
>>144071049
>>144071886Anon I think you missed the point.What he's saying is that doing what you wrote would result in a draw that doesn't obey the rules they set up, including but not limited to the simple idea that a team shouldn't play against themselves.>and I'm trash in coding.Yeah I know.
>>144071945exactly>win 2 games>draw 2>drop the reminder 4>somehow still end up in "playoff" for the round of 16this is just pure mediocrity and most games will be utter slurp
>>144071754An LLM would probably get it wrong ackshually.
>>144071049so fucking soulless
>>144071049>More filler gamesJust what we needed lol
>>144071234Lo que quieres ver es a más negros corriendo como pollos sin cabeza pedazo de maricón
>>144071987Assuming you didn't take my example litteraly, (i know you're not suppose to do it like that, it was just to make a point) i still don't see why it would be impossible to do weighted randomness in a code. You just need a algorithm of a few dozens lines. There is absolutely no reason why it wouldn't be possible.
>>144071049No big team is going to get eliminated now
>>144072037not always. if you look at say liverpools their easiest match is psv who might have been the 2nd best team in a group in the old format
>>144071687>The precedent has been open with this formathow so? the extra spots went in equal measure to shitty leagues and big leaguesand it's still all entirely meritocratic, no permanent spots which is what's really not compatible with european sport fans culturemoney is obviously everything in modern football but it has to ultimately be translated onto the pitchEuropeans will never accept match results not being the ultimate judge
>>144072065Weighted randomness wouldn't help you.You need a backtracking algorithm. The steps are like this:>randomize all four pools (pots) so they're in no particular order>grab each team and start selecting the draws by picking the next team in each pot>check for rules>continue if rules are followed, return and redo skipping one team if the rules are brokenRepeat until you drew all teams without a rule break.If you decide to save each completed draw and keep the algorithm going, you can end up with all the possible draws that fit the rules and let a human decide from there.
>>144071049wtf am i looking atexplain it like im retarded please because i probably am
Which European football league would be ideal for me?>I hate Germany>I hate Italy>I hate Austria>I hate Russia>I hate the Bundesliga>I hate Italian Serie A>I hate Manchester United>League of a pro-Israel country>League of a pro-Ukraine country
>>144072193>one big group for all 36 teams>every team gets their own individual group>4 matches at home, 4 away>best 8 go directly to round of 16>next best 16 play against each other to get the reminder 8>the other 12 teams are eliminated
>>144072212smells american
>>144072207probably liverpool
>>144072109At least one big team will embarrass themselves in the knockout round for 9-24th place.
>>144072242That's a teamand I wouldn't even dream of watching a league that has a team nicknamed the Red Devils
>>144072242Isn't Liverpool pro-Labour and therefore pro-Palestine?>>144072207You've posted this a million times. No one cares.
>>144072207
Is it me or does this make the actual group phase a tad harder?
>>144072229smells like CLCefarin League
>>144072267Shut up you fucking Japanese.Korea superior
>>144072279The group phase is a joke. What is harder are the playoffs before the R016 WHICH adds insane load to a lot of teams
>>144072279For smaller teams it does.>>144072290lmao.Nobody cares.
>>144072279I think you may secure your spot in the top 8 with 16-18 points
Did they release the schedule for the games yet?I think that could clear my confusion
there's no narrative. it's just a pile of 32 teams splatted on the screen. what a shit system.
>>144072309I only want countries that are totally pro-Jewish and pro-Ukraine
>>144072340I know, and I'm helping you by letting you know that nobody cares.
Champions League then>"hold up, gotta warm up these balls"Champions League now>"HELLO (USER), PLEASE PRESS X TO RIGG THE TOURNEMENT"
In the unlikely event that my team ever made it to the champions league, I think I'd prefer to be knocked out after playing 8 different teams than 3 teams 6 times. Cautiously optimistic about this format.
>>144072308>>144072313I don't know, imagine some mid level teams have easy fixtures that allows them to rank enough points to push better teams into the playoffs where they would be adding an extra chance of being eliminated
>>144072207Well hello
>>144072321>3236 achshullyit will be easier to follow after a few games, as all one big league. What I think might be a 'no narrative' issue with no groups, its easy for me to follow, as fan of one team in competition. We have 8 opponents. But for someone not a fan of any one particular team looking on, no fixed groups would be a bit confuse, I guess. You have no focal point, and no two teams have the same opponents to compare themselves against.
>>144072411You would need to have less than 6 points to be eliminated now
>>144072427Reasons why the Belgian League would be my ideal European football league?
>>144071917Everyone thought that was a teenage guy setting off the firework. It's actually a female.
>>1440724736 is the borderlinecould qualify with 6, but not guaranteed7 (from 24..) should def be enough tho.
>>144071265>>144071260When has PSG been lucky with draws? They always get fucked its a meme now
>>144072473That doesn't matter, with an easier fixture a shittier team could take a spot from the bigger teams
>>144072473>>144072554>https://twitter.com/fmeetsdata/status/18274043800787438117 probably won't cut it.
>>144071049I dont understand this who plays with who
>>144071049>Barca will pay for this
>>144071049I literally don't get it, how do I spot who Red Star is playing against here?
>>144072626>>144072649that image is only for the pot 1 teams, every team has his own personal group now
>>144072649you're not meant to get it, that's the genius of it. it's a way for us to style on dumb thirdies
>>144072649>>144072626Just scroll down the thread and look at the other pots fixtures
>>144072667Dinamo plays against dortmund but real also plays against dortmund but dinamo doesnt play agains real?Is this right or am i retarded?
>>144072207you're so edgy ahah
>>144072709It makes even less sense
>>144072737you're such a thirdie it's so easy to understand holy shit lmao
teams don't play twice?this shit's retard*d
>>144072722Dinamo got his own group here >>144071775 they play against Dortmund, Bayern, Milan, Arsenal, etc etcDortmund group includes Halal, barca, celtic, etc etc
>>144072722Both
>>144072778Ok i get it now, but why? Why not normal closed groups
>>1440727952 reasons: €€€€€€ + $$$$$
>>144072614I think this is underestimating 'sink factor' and the fact that its a single league desutheres a few more shitters this year who are going to sink the bottom of Big League, and cling there like barnacles. EOD its a new format and we justdontknow etc. - but I'm sticking with 7 points will be enough, and even 6 might be, for some.
>mfw Müller already released a video for Barca drawBarcabros...
holy shit this is retarded, and on top of it the uefa website is useless
>>144072025Keyword: could it's hardly something complex like the scheduler in a kernel
Has UEFA attempted to cut down on national competitions? Obviously they want more matches where they're involved, but if they keep adding matches teams will actually need squads like Chelsea's to keep up.Maybe a suggestion that League Cups ought to be slashed? It's the easiest redundancy to make room with, without fans getting upset
are the games actually any stronger on average for teams or are they're just more of them?Celtic, for example, play Leipzig, Brugge, Young Boys and Salzburg at home. It's like a Europa League group for them.
>>144071886You forgot > from random import randint
>>144072863Celtic fluked one, for sure>howsoever:see: PSG, Lille
>>144072861don't forget the Nations League, international friendlies and WC qualifiersTeam are going to implode this season
>>144072818I think you're overstaying it a little bit. It is just a simulation but who knows for sure. I don't think there will be 12 teams with 6 or less points though.
>>144072889PSG could lose the 4 matches against their toughest rivals and then proceed to dab on the 4 weakest and easily qualify with 12 points
>>144072927The worst teams always end up with 1-4 points, that's with only 6 games, add 2 more and they would end with 2-6
>>144071427>HAHAHAHAwtf
been done a bit of research, basically calculating the strength of opponents based off elo ratings.picrel are the luckiest and unluckiest teams, by pot and general.source on the elo ratings http://clubelo.com/Ranking
why don't they use league position after 8 games for seeding so they don't have to expand the amount of games clubs have to play. if it's single leg in all the knockouts, it's still a max 13 games the finalists have to play
>>144071615Bologna got assraped by napoli last week tho
Euros will get as many matches per year as us lmao
>>144073062if true, Real Mad is fucked
>>144073028its picrel: CL Draw Reaction
I thought I got it but nopeunless it's legally rigged
>>144073268The entire draw was just cldraw.exeThere is no way to tell if the whole thing was rigged or not
>>144071049I dont mind this new format actually this would be even better for the smaller teams considering theres 9-24th playoff systems.. more competition with teams from their pots
>>144073308that's not even my issuehow do you rank the teams if they have the same number of points at the end since they don't all play each other?how can a team that gets e.g. 9 points playing against shitters advance vs a team that gets 8 points against monster teams, without ever facing each other even though ''there's only one group''?
>>144073536was arguing same previously - much improved format for shitters - then someone else was pointing out, also better for bigger teams, as cannot get shock papped out earlier. Fuck it, I'm onboard with this shit. Furthur so, UEFA cunts.
>>144071049So they made 4 pots and everyone in pot 1 is highly likely to qualify directly, pot 2 has to fight with pot 3 in the playoffs and pot 4 is likely to go home?
>>144073550I guess G/A>Looks like stat padding went back to the menu boys!
>>144073550>how rank fairlywell, you cant, which is the lie with the 'One Big League' shit. It is then basically the luck of the draw - but unless you have 36 teams playing each other H/A in a league - which brings its own problems - it does seem like the most workable solution we have meantime.>t. had favourable draw
>>144073629but that's not fair, they don't all play against all others, plus you gave the home/away factor
I get that UEFA wants more revenue (greed) but getting rid of the group stage is idiotic.Why not 4 groups of 9? Top 2 gets the bye and 3-6th placed shitters can play against each other in the "playoffs".
>>144073062So Leverkusen got the most average drawHuh
I'm so stoked I don't even care how rigged this thing is
>>144071861>>144071903that was me, forgot what f(l)ag I got it from
After this group stage is over do they play 2 or 1 game
EL>CL>ECL
>>144074585The CL is now One Big League of 36 teams.The first group stage reduces 36 teams to 24 - the bottom 12 in 'CL Big League' table are then out. Done. Finished.The top 1-8 teams in CL Big League have now directly qualified for the 16 team knockout stage. Their 8 opponents will be decided by teams in places 9-24 of CL Big League being drawn against each other in a knockout round to see who plays 1-8 in CL Big League. >Example:you finish 9th in CL Big Leagueyou would then play off (H/A) against the team that finished 23rd or 24th (draw) in CL Big League, to see if you qualify for next Last 16 round, this against the teams who finished 1-8 in CL Big League. Teams who finish 24-36 in CL Big League got sent home already.
>>144071049New format could lead to more varied and hopefully kino matches. However, the key is how tight the table and for qualifying becomes. This will decide the success of the format. Football Manager gaymers are already aware of the format, and I do like it for gaming. Let's see how well it does in real life.
>>144071049A couple of years of this format is going to either nuke domestic leagues (hello superleague) or fuck European football for a little while.
>>144073625In practice, yes. But there's nothing about the pots that makes it that way and the pots only exist to ensure that everyone plays opponents of roughly the same difficulty level.>>144072854I'm not sure if an LLM could really do this t b h.They could help doing the coding to create the system that does it, but I doubt there's enough computing power around as of now to have an LLM keep enough tokens to avoid messing up the rules they set up. And if there does exist enough computing to do so, it would definitely be very inefficient.
PSG always gets the hardest drafts, it´s not fair
>>144071049do real have any games where mbappe is realistically good enough to get a starting spot?brest maybe?
>>144073550The idea is that everybody has their fair share of monster teams and shitters, so you have to ensure that if you managed to beat a few monster teams to not shit the bed against the shitters.But yeah taking samples of the entire pool will inevitably make for unfair draws. Just compare Bayern's draw vs PSG's
