>Messi is playing>No match thread>Not even a generalWhat went wrong?
>>144521454We've all agreed to not watch it until the billionaire owners start buying better players
>>144521454Apple TV + MLS Pass will kill this league
>>144521488Better than being on RSNs
who cares about him, the real #10 is back.
>>144521488No one really watches the games on FOX either
>>144521488It was already dead before Apple TV
>Messi is playingI checked the line ups like 2 hours ago and he was on the bench.
>>144521488No it’s the fact that there’s no pro rel in this league, that’s the sole reason why people don’t watch MLS
>>144521684kekMost plastics just watch the same clubs in Europe that never get relegated but think lack of relegation is hurting the MLS. Lack of relegation is the only reason MLS exists at all.
>>144521500>vela
>>144521700If I wanted to watch shitters id just watch usl
>>144521498Now instead of some people being able to watch, nobody is able to watch. Win/Win.
>>144521751The people who want to watch it can pay, get all games, and don't have to worry about blackouts or anything. This is the model everyone wishes NBA, NHL, MLB had but don't because they won't give up their precious regional media rightsThere's still a few games on FS1/FOX. I'm watching the Charlotte vs Orlando on FS1 right now.
It's a shit league.
>>144521751>having to subscribe to MLS Season pass on Apple is bad>having to subscribe to Bally Sports East Bumfuckland to watch the game is good
>>144521848nta but what should they do then?
>>144521500>>144521710
>>144521454because it's a low tier league with fans that routinely shove lgbt pride in your face for a feminine sport that's only popular in america with zoomers, mexicans, and wannabe europeans and you have to pay apple to watch it?
>>144521848trying to watch baseball without pirate streams these days is far worse than MLS
>>144521700you dont know shit, relegation is THE basic thing for a league to promote better competition
>>144521894Put games on the MLS season pass as they have now but air more games on FOX to get more interest, maybe a "game of the week". Tough in the fall with football season, but in July and August they have less competition.
>>144521848>Being able to flip on the game is bad>Requiring a specific app on your tv that you literally only use to watch one thing is good
>>144521981No its not. Because investors don't want relegation. If there was relegation, owners would be putting money towards player salaries (short term gains) rather than long term gains like building stadiums and creating academies as they have now. And building stadiums and making their academies better is the best thing for MLS long term, and that's what they're doing now. Basically, relegation means short term success is prioritized over long term gains. MLS is playing the long game of sustainable growth.
>>144522004I think the Apple TV app is pretty much predownloaded on every TV these days. I don't think clicking on an app is really that much effort.
>>144521981It's the basic thing that produces an oligarchy of 1-4 winners per league and everyone else. Doesn't sound like competition to me. And yes, I mean in leagues that actually matter in Europe, not whatever monkey business on your continent.
>>144521981>relegation is THE basic thing for a league to promote better competitionthat's the idea but in reality we all know it's that every other year the same shit teams go up, hang out at the bottom of the table, and then fall back down
>>144522069Even in Argentina it's the same clubs every year. River, Boca, Racing.
>>144522069>>144522075Leverkusen just won their first ever german title
>>144522114And the previous decade before that?
>>144522114You sound like the Brits when Leicester won their fluke title.
>>144522132>oligarchy of 1-4 winners>lester and leverkusen disprove it>fluke!!1!!kek
>>144522149Wasn't Leicesters victory because they were pumped a bunch of money by a Thai billionaire?
>>144521903Kek
>>144522112thats because literally every other club is too broke, too cold chested or too mismanaged.Talleres jobbed a cup final to a 2nd division clubEstudiantes can only win worthless cups the same way Arsenal doesIndependiente owes everything to everyone since the Moyanos left and cant even endebt itself to buy good playersSan Lorenzo has little money and retards managing the clubVelez is looking like a hot contender for the title, same for Union, Godoy Cruz, Instituto..this year has been far, far more competitive somehow, but they still have a handful of games against the big guys left to play.This is a TV rights and rights distribution issue, an issue with our country also being too shit economically forcing clubs to depend on academies to make a profit by selling youngsters for peanuts to foreign clubs, and the people responsible for managing it being corrupt as fuck
>>144522149Yes, they were in fact flukes. You're not changing anything with green arrows.
>>144522174not so much, plenty of clubs owned by foreigners out there that play like shit or arent even on first division.Leicester's case is special in that they got good enough players at the time, and a good manager, and found themselves at a time where Arsenal shat itself, United was being United, Liverpool and City were having a terrible start and struggled to recover all the way to the end of the saeson. Unironically the only club that could contend with Lestah that season was Tottenham and they bottled it 3/4 in and even failed to secure 2nd place
>>144521981Yeah Ipswich town really poses a threat to Manchester city
>>144521728I just turned on USL and it seems to be played in a minor league baseball stadium. You can see a bunch of kids playing in the berm in the background. Kind of kino
>>144522261USL is based unironically but a top usl team would get ass blasted by a shitter mls team, thus making pro/rel redundant
>>144522149Leipzig could also definitely win it at some point in the future. Which would also be their first.
Reminder that Doyle the MLelSoy shill homo of these threads genuinely believes that MLelSoy is a well-ran business headed by Warren Buffet Blackrock-level investors who know how to catapult MLelSoy into the top 4 league in the world by mortgaging their streaming rights to pay for 40 yo grandpa Messi and cutting their national outreach to a streaming app owned by less than 10% of Americans. Yes, you heard me right. Doyle actually unironically and genuinely believes MLelSoy will become a top world league because of this.
>>144522174No it was just a team of destiny and had some up and coming under the radar players. They were a real team instead of mercenaries put together
>>144522338WTF did I just read
>>144522385There are some legitimate criticisms of the MLS, but this guy is an actual schizo and has been at it for a long time on this board
>>144521488You think so? I mean I won't personally pay to watch any sports these days, but MLS attendance is doing well and the league is growing by word of mouth. I was watching NFL on Sunday at a local spot and there was a table of lesbians next to us randomly talking about LA Galaxy vs LAFC. If the white girls are talking about it, you know it is doing alright
>>144522397Yeah I have no idea wtf he is insinuating with any of that nonsense. It's like one schizo thought after another that makes no sense to anybody but him. If he has been doing this for a long time, he needs psychological help and medication
>>144522409No, its not going to 'kill the league'. Maybe it stifles it growth since its not on ESPN ever and is only on FOX every once in a while, but it won't kill it. What it means is that certain bars become "MLS bars" since they buy the pass and everyone who wants to watch the MLS game goes to those bars that they know have the pass. Tons of bars in my city play MLS games even with it being behind a paywall.
I don’t like playoffs in soccer desu however, if they have to have playoffs to appeal to American casuals I’d rather them get rid of conferences and the top 14 teams get in, with seeding going 1-14, 2-13, etc and it’s either best of 3 or knockout, so the final could be 2 geographically close teams, and that could help build rivalries etc. Otherwise just do 56 games where each team plays each other twice, one at home and once away and the team with the most points wins
>>144522338this is schizophrenia>>144522397this is true>>144522409this is counter-schizophreniathe truth is that MLS is still an amateur-tier league and until they change the regulations regarding salaries and foreign players they really really really arent going to have a competitive league without relegation, most homegrown players suck and an American MLS player doing good there doesnt always translate into them playing well in Europe and the way the US is geographically and how that meshes with football, its never going to have a normal football league, much less attract a public as big as NFL, college football or basketball, because culturally its never been a sport thats been present and out there like American football, basketball or hockey.
>>144522461attendance is quite good and as I understand many kids play soccer nowadaysalso helps that any kid can watch youtube, its not just closed of to what comes on TV anymore, much easier for a sport to become popular
The dallas vs rsl game right now had a goal scored because the other team wasn't paying attention and walked as slow as they could to make their wall
>>144522506sovl…
>>144522490kids have been playing football in the us for a while now but its not a sport they stick with once they reach highschool, thats the issue, interest isnt held past that period of their lives.the fact you just told me that you can watch these games in youtube also brings up another massive issue this thing has and its marketing, you have to go out of your way to go see what teams are playing, at what hours and what days of the week, there isnt enough ads announcing games on TV or where to watch them
>>144522461>>144522490MLS academies are still very young. Give them some time to develop them and American soccer can improve. MLS has enough investment to grow for a while even without much public interest. Also, as the German said, attendance is actually pretty decent. Even the USL game I'm watching now has 7,000 people there and its in a Minor League Baseball stadium on a Wednesday night. The reason for the restriction on salaries is because they didn't want to repeat the mistakes of the NASL (which brought Pele to NYC). They don't really trust the scouting system, they'll relax restrictions as the league grows. The reason for restrictions on foreign players is that they want teams to invest in developing players through academies rather than just buying players from Latin America.
>>144522065I tried to watch a replay of the sunday night game last week (the only free game AppleTV jews allowed) and I wasn't allowed to watch it without signing up for an account. Wasn't in the mood to deal with that bullshit to watch a game I didn't care about anyway.>>144522409Dunno what that guy thinks but if you want to see MLS match threads with discussion, people on /sp/ will need to be able to watch the games and right now that's just not fucking happening. In the past week I've watched 3 UEFA CL games as well as the highlights of many others on Paramount+, which I already had for other reasons.Also I have to say so many of the MLS team names are unbelievably cringe, mindless imitations of European team names.>Sporting Kansas City>Inter Miami>Real Salt LakePlus all the teams using "FC" instead of calling it soccer which is the American English term for the sport.
>>144522526>kids have been playing football in the us for a while now but its not a sport they stick with once they reach highschoolThat's not really true. A lot of kids play soccer in high school and being a good high school soccer player actually gets you a decent amount of prestige. But high school soccer is never going to lead to quality development. MLS academies need to scoop up players with promise as soon as possible. You can actually read about high school soccer coaches who are pissed that MLS academies "stole" their players
>>144522532yeah, all that needs to happen is for the US to produce a world class player like Messi or Ronaldo and soccer explodes in the US
MLS’ big brain move of expanding the league by putting MORE teams in New York and California will always make me seethe
>>144522568NY and LA are big cities, they can support two teams each. California only has 3 teams, which isn't even that much for a state of its size.
>>144522535>people on /sp/ will need to be able to watch the gamesIt's more accessible now than it was in the past
>>144522576I get that Cali is a big state but 2 of those are LA teams
>>144522578Do people really thing being on Bally Sports is more accessible?Especially since they're going for a younger audience that is less likely to have cable.
>>144522596Maybe it would have been better to sell the media rights for basically nothing in exchange for being on network TV more and being on something like ESPN+, Paramount+, or Peacock. I wonder if La Liga and Bundesliga are really making anything from being on ESPN+, or did they just give them the rights for cheap in exchange for being accessible to Americans?
>>144522578It's clearly not good enough, that's the answer to OP.
>>144522622The answer is they don'tLa Liga and Bundesliga games rate very poorly but if it gets their clubs a few more in shirt sales they're fine with itThe biggest issues in your solution is 1. MLS is the biggest league in the world that is super reliant on match day income and 2. ESPN+ wouldn't advertise MLS at all
I'm watching LA Galaxy vs Portland right now and the stadium is pretty full. Not sure why the doom and gloom with some people. This league has a lot of potential, just gotta give it time
>>144522338the fact that he keeps doubling down on this apple tv nonsense says it all. Mf is now coping hard about it being the perfect app
>>144521954Lol
>>144522338>genuinely believes that MLelSoy is a well-ran business headed by Warren Buffet Blackrock-level investors who know how to catapult MLelSoy into the top 4 league in the worldMLS doesn't care about any of this, they just want a nice jew product that generates safe annuities and write off any losses through tax write offs. The stadiums are the bulk of the value and they still don't know how to generate profit off of them to the level of the NFL. In fact, NFL stadiums are still preferred as venues over MLS SS stadiums. Why anyone thinks MLS is destined for glory is beyond me, that's just retarded.>and cutting their national outreach to a streaming app owned by less than 10% of AmericansAnyone could've told MLS what a bad idea this was. They are nowhere close to the profitable stage and wanted an immediate investment return so they sold the league off to a smaller competitor in Apple. They should've continued taking TV losses and continued with RSNs to promote Messi as much as possible. So much for these genius businessmen.
>>144522696How do you out schizo the Doyle schizo?
>>144522397Funny considering you're the faggot who pretends to be a chicano and has been spamming /sp/ for years about the MLelSoy being a top 4 league in the next upcoming 4 years.
>>144521454I'm not a 3rd world spic so messi doesnt mean anything to me anymore since he left barcelona. I already watch epl and spend my ten bucks a month on a peacock sub. Why should i waste another 15 bucks a month on a shit league where they come up with random ass new teams every year? If im going to be a customer i might as well watch the best product period.
>>144522731get off your VPN, Nigel
>>144522733>vpn>peacock sub
>>144522731You can be a plastic and think you have some sort of allegiance to a club you'll see play live maybe 5 times in your life. Meanwhile, people like going to watch their local team play, enjoy watching soccer with people close to the area and making friends. It doesn't matter the level of play, as long as everyone is having fun that's all that matters. You think people in Croatia give a shit that their league isn't the best in the world? You think guys who support teams in Greece give one fuck that they'll never win Champions League? Does the guy who supports CD Palestino give a rat's ass that he'll never get to see the best soccer in the world played in his stadium? They all just go to have a good time. Something someone like you who has a peanut brain doesn't seem to understand. Hate all you want on whatever you want, but let people be. Misery enjoys company, but you ain't getting to spread your hate on others without people calling you out on your bullshit
>>144522576cali should have 2 or 3 la teams, san diego, 2 or 3 bay area teams, sacramento
>>144523694No one wants to watch MLelSoy with you, Doyle.
>>144523694mlels is all plastic dude, none of that shit applies to mlels and your little gay fanfiction of having fun isnt the reason for club support around the world. Clubs are communities not billionaire backed stadiums given a franchise logo by corporations and everyone around the world is a fan of their local clubs because they are built by the locals. of course they care about their team even if they play in the greek 3rd division because it's their community being represented. your analogy is shit because the closest thing to grassroots support isnt mlels but college sports. But sure go larp how your chivas usa franchise folded and rebranded themselves as lafc so that celebrities can buy and own a franchise to get dumb casuals on board holy fuck what a god awful point you made
>>144521454>grassroots sport you need nothing but a ball to go out and do isn't affected by muh superstarsoccer isn't a foreign concept that needs some celebrity to bring awareness to
>>144521454I don't rate pissi 'riggi' cucktini
>>144522010so next decade in ten years there will be relegation and promotion on MLS?
>>144521454my little soccer is trash
>>144521454soccer is gay
4chan got banned in india
mlels is that 30 year old prospect now
>>144524333heh just needs ten more years to fulfill his potential...
>>144524274There will never be promotion and relegation in the MLS. Its too much of farfetched and profit-losing idea for Anerican sports investors and fans.
>>144521684Most Americans don’t even know what that is lol
>>144524089> but college sportsYou're fucking retarded. The NCAA and all college affiliated sports teams are backed by big money and only care about money and being global brands with big tv deals.
>>144524372I watched all our sports for several years as a kid and never even conceived of the concept until I played an obscure racing game that had it. A normalfag to this day won't have a clue what that term means with sports
>>144522696>The stadiums are the bulk of the value and they still don't know how to generate profit off of them to the level of the NFL.In fact, NFL stadiums are still preferred as venues over MLS SS stadiums.Brother, MLS stadiums have like half the capacity size of NFL stadiums.>They are nowhere close to the profitable stageTheyve been profitable for years nowSilly anon, still stuck trolling /mls/ in 2012
Frio o frio
>>144523694Nobody cares enough to talk about games and players on /sp/ that's the salient point. The only topics that interest posters here are all the retarded metas that have been brought up ITT.
>>144524393>The NCAA and all college affiliated sports teams are backed by big moneyOnly (american) football and basketball.
