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IR edition
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Anime
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Retards want to argue this but if you go to the computer simulations of the 2023 NFCCG you'll see the recommended play on the first 4th and short was to go for it not kick a field goal. On the second 4th and short the recommended play was to kick a field goal and they went for it instead.
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Is this the thread?
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>>151118916
Yes
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shalom
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This is the thread
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>>151118911
I don't get it. What's funny about this. Every fucking general this has to be the first reply? Like seriously, grow up. This site hasn't been anime centric for years yet you 30 year old boomers are still clinging on to a version of 4chan which hasn't been grounded in reality for a long time. Less than 5% of this website watches anime. The statistics are even worse on non-anime boards. Seriously, get over it. It's not going to be a thing anymore.
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>>151118941
Based
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>>151118911
gay
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>>151118915
go to bed Dan you have meetings tomorrow morning at 7
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>>151118902
its not that other teams didnt have injuries but the Lions had an exceptional amount of injuries on defense. Also yes they rolled to 15-2 despite it but ill be honest a lot of those games were them shitting on a bad AFC South and them encountering a lot of other teams struggling with identity issues like the Cowboys
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what race is this?
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The NFL… is full of shit teams
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This thread has a jew infestation, im going to the other one.
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>>151118947
cope
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>>151118964
Im not Dan im the Dan Defense Force
Hes the best coach ever
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>>151118911
i love tranime
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>>151118989
Luck's Colts would have bootyblasted all these shit teams
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Battle of the white corners next weekend
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>>151118911
Susu's most recent content has been pretty kino
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>>151118999
trips confirms
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>>151118989
It's cruel that by the time the Colts got a GM that actually did right by Luck, he was too broken down and didn't want to go on.
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>>151119039
rare funny AI post
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joe michaels knows
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>>151119056
>as if 3/4ths of all posts aren't bots anyway
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>>151119068
based realpolitik anglo
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dont incur his wrath
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>>151118983
Who cares?
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>>151119068
Lol
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Should I post a picture of my vintage Loins shirt and my mini-Loin sitting on it?
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Rattler runs a clean operation and doesn't create a lot of turnovers,= but he leaves a lot on the table. His ball placement isn't good and he doesn't put receivers in a position to get YAC and just outright misses passes down the field. I want to see what Shough can do now because in the preseason, he was better in that area.
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>what the FUCK is his problem?
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>>151118883
kek
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>>151119123
post bussy instead
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>>151119140
Mhhm das right. Media don't like him fr fr
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>>151119148
My mini-Loin is a friend, hes my luck charm for the Lions hes even the same color grey as their team colors. I watch most of the Loins games with him by my side.
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Midnight green is UGLY
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>>151119168
It honestly sounds too precious for this website
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>>151119140
The best thing he can do is just not comment on anything because at this point, they're baiting him into saying something.
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>>151119140
that hair lmao
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>>151119140
The fuck his barber/hairstylist did to him.
What in the FUCK?
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>>151119089
what did he mean by this?
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>>151118983
says in the bottom right of the image
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should i fire up madden 01?
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>>151119212
scorebug posting is the ultimate trvke of imageboards
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jaggies
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>>151119226
kek
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>dovslop
FUCK OFF
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This bussy fucking sucks
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Suck this bussy
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>>151119240
Tomlin got beat by the Jaguars before their logo redesign and after it
Jesus Christ I didnt even think the Jaguars made the playoffs enough to get him twice thats grim
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>>151119240
do you have the harbaugh one
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>>151119174
Nike's Midnight Green is ugly
Reebok's was better
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>>151119237
based ari
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Based this bussy
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>>151119180
Here he is, my mini-Loin sitting on my Loin shirt. He likes to sit on my Loins shirts I have a few.
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>>151119264
the jags OWN shitsburgh
>>151119268
i havent seen that one yet actually
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>>151119264
Those 2000s Jaguars teams were pretty based
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>>151119268
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>>151119315
With both teams being 3-1 they might be on the path to another playoff collision
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>>151119140
My 4 year old has tried that one
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Try this bussy
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>Bucs
this season is so FUCKED and it was supposed to be our year
Fuck football it's not a game of skill it's a game of luck. Whoever gets the most favorable injury luck wins, simple as that.
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>>151119335
steelers 4 jags 5 or steelers 3 jags 6 is actually pretty likely, good point
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Good point to this bussy
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>>151119189
>>151119191
what’s wrong with it?
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>>151119330
>that Saints game
Kek I still remember that one
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the winds of lake erie are changing
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>>151119347
Dude you got a ring with Tom Brady on your team like 5 years ago, just shut the fuck up. If it werent for him coming on you'd have lost for a bunch of years behind Jameis before they eventually crumbled into obscurity
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Crumble this bussy into obscurity
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>>151119347
>OUR year
>progressively getting less successful in the playoffs
The first round bounce last year shouldve told you the exact opposite of it being your year.
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>>151119212
never forget
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Never forget this bussy
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>>151119308
What a lil lion.
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>>151119398
They were literally one play away from beating Washington. I'm thoroughly convinced if that end around wasn't botched they would have beat them so I don't really really buy into the notion that last year was a huge step back or something.
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>>151119405
catgirl Josephina Burrow
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>>151119398
>The first round bounce last year
All_smiles.png
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BOLT UP!
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>>151119330
kek thanks
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>>151119428
A loss is a loss and they generally dont do very well in the regular season anyways so who cares if they limp to the postseason with a 9-8 record again? You're actually lucky the injuries have come early this year because you have no competition for the division anyways and they'll be healthy come January
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>>151119456
Lads, if I ever get a woman like that I'd do anything not to lose her.
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>>151119456
I've seen her naked, her OF is a fucking joke btw.
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>>151119456
yjk
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>>151119456
be that dog
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>>151119452
Cant wait to see Jayden against the Chargers this sunday, going to be even more excited when Cosmi is fully back
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>>151119456
why do whores love to dance in front of cameras so much?
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Dance in front of this bussy
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>>151119482
I've been saying it all week, but I actually REALLY like how the offense looks. Chargers are also not as scary as I thought. Hopefully the defense isn't total dogshit and can pressure Herbie. If not, he will 100% dice up the secondary
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>>151119456
YJK
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>>151119456
be chad
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>>151119456
>Ashley Rey
Unironically a wigger.
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>>151119508
>Hopefully the defense isn't total dogshit and can pressure Herbie.
Same the defense are always the ones that make backup players look like absolute all-pros, every damn time.
Hopefully im proven wrong
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>>151119389
that sounds painful
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>>151119186
Based...no wait, cringe...cringe-based.
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>>151119140
Is he, ya know?
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GODleb
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Reek
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why are TEs so retarded?
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Can the Bengals owner be forced to sell the team? He's too poor to afford good players for Burrow.
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>>151119586
tyREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKK
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>>151119586
Woah there champ
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>>151119584
He sucks. He's a bust. Back to the drawing board
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>>151119590
forgot my pic
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>>151119586
And there it is
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>>151119614
Turn your monitor on
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>>151119586
Tyreek Hill
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>>151119618
Fuck off, dov
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>>151119586
BLOODY BISH SAAAR
Based. Checkem
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>>151119584
>>151119614
Colin Cowherd bullied Nick Wright into selling his Caleb stocks right before it went to the moon.

Now Nick is trying to gaslight fans into thinking he didn't throw Caleb under the bus.
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>>151119586
He REEKs. Get it? Lol
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>>151119641
who gives a shit what these media jews think or say
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>>151119618
>>151119634
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>>151119590
Gronk opened the door for all of them to go full retard as their outward persona even if they don't fully mean it
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>>151119586
Based and true. Fuck the Phins
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Whats with the Dov posting these past few weeks
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>>151119648
>I care what 300lbs nobodies on chinese cartoon imageboards think but don't care what professional sports journalist think.
You're so cool and edgy, I wish I could grow up to be like you one of these days.
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>>151119586
cool it with the antisemitism bud
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>>151119530
Tell me about it. Mariota has looked good these past two weeks. That loss to the Falcons was 100% on the defense. They're just not being schemed well. I don't want to become the Bengals where we need to score 35+ to win
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>>151119586
Reddit has better football discussion
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>>151119586
Kek oh wow what a meme
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you now remember bryce dung
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>>151119671
he does it for (you)s and people engage with it because they are retarded
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>Lamar says he doesnt care about negative reaction to disappointing loss
>QUITTER LOSER CHOKE ARTIST!
>Goff says he doesnt care about negative reaction to disappointing loss
>Thats a true leader, thats poise, thats grit
This general decides if youre good at football based on the color of your skin
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>>151118911
Sex with susu
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>>151119586
REEK
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>black WRs
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>>151119586
Reek this bussy
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https://forms.gle/Khi8h9F7Ni6be6o96

unlike other power rankings, where teams should be ranked in this one is decided on by your guys' votes. rate how good you think each team is right now on a scale of 0 at worst to 10 at best. I'll post the results on thursday, including the change from last week's ratings.

LAST WEEK'S results, for reference:

1. (9.448) Buffalo Bills
2. (8.709) Philadelphia Eagles
3. (8.563) Detroit Lions
4. (8.515) Los Angeles Chargers
5. (7.714) Indianapolis Colts
6. (7.562) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7. (7.405) Green Bay Packers
8. (7.022) Los Angeles Rams
9. (6.990) Baltimore Ravens
10. (6.106) Kansas City Chiefs
11. (5.978) San Francisco 49ers
12. (5.901) Minnesota Vikings
13. (5.884) Washington Commanders
14. (5.831) Seattle Seahawks
15. (5.160) Pittsburgh Steelers
16. (5.140) Denver Broncos
17. (4.706) Arizona Cardinals
18. (4.068) Jacksonville Jaguars
19. (3.812) Cleveland Browns
20. (3.794) Chicago Bears
21. (3.604) Houston Texans
22. (3.353) Las Vegas Raiders
23. (3.114) New England Patriots
24. (3.092) Dallas Cowboys
25. (2.974) Cincinnati Bengals
26. (2.960) Carolina Panthers
27. (2.604) New York Jets
28. (2.342) Atlanta Falcons
29. (1.881) New York Giants
30. (1.858) Miami Dolphins
31. (1.023) New Orleans Saints
32. (1.004) Tennessee Titans
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>>151119586
Reek
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Why are you watching this if we all know the Eagles are going to win it all anyway?
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>>151119711
yup
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>>151119719
Even if you're the best team, you're still far from guaranteed to win it all
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>>151119586
We dont deserve Coom and Reek bros
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>>151119586
Best post on /ess pee/ by far
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Lamar and Goff have similar playoff records and yet Goff is given much more benefit of the doubt than Lamar
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>>151118915
Then they’re wrong. Championship games are about possessions. The Lions had the opportunity to go up 3 possessions in the game. That’s a killer against a SB caliber team.
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>>151119719
>>151119730
>Eagles only won by 3 points against the Chiefs who didn't have their WR1 and WR2
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Possess this bussy
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>>151119586
WHAT
THE
FUCK
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>>151119745
no?
do you even browse these threads?
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>another Yom Kippur living in exile
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>>151119749
The chefs' starting WRs are not significantly better than their backups. And either way, that game was not as close as the score made it look.
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>>151119719
Eagles are literally the 2024 Chiefs. Could they luck their way into another Super Bowl appearance like the Chiefs did last year? Maybe but they're not going to win it. Eventually their shit play and lucking their way into one possession victories is going to catch up to them.
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American Gridiron
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>>151119778
you know ball
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>>151119778
Certified ball knower here
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>>151119778
Finally, someone here who understands. I kneel
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Reporter: "Jared, after all you've accomplished in the last 3 years were you surprised at the reaction do you feel like you guys deserve the benefit of the doubt?"
Jared: "Whats the reaction?"
Reporter: "*Its obviously pretty negative."
Jared: "From who?"
Reporter: "The outside."
Jared: "Don't care, we've heard negative from the outside before, is it anyone in this building? I dont think so."
If Lamar had this exact same response he would be skewered non-stop across sports media, Nick Wright wouldve immediately had a video up reacting to it and saying he needs a mentality change
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>>151119775
Worthy led the team in receiving and rush yards and made every player on the Chiefs have their best game since he pulled the defense towards him.
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>>151119778
2nd best post on ess pee
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>>151119745
Goff has been shit on his whole career
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>>151119747
Im sure the computer that processes nothing but football is wrong and you are right
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>>151119778
based
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>>151119807
He's not a game-changer, sorry.
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>>151119764
Goff is seen as a lovable doofus thats why they call him Goof, hes still seen as an elite player whos just fallen short a few times meanwhile Lamar gets shit on constantly and its a lot more vicious than any of the Goof posting.
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>>151119806
again, who the fuck cares what the jew media says, they're constantly wrong about shit.
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>>151119776
>Eagles are literally the 2024 Chiefs
Chiefs were an elite team in 2024 that had unusual injury luck. That is the only reason their games were close and they had to rely on lucky situations.

Eagles by contrast are squeaking out wins despite being mostly healthy. You could make the case the Eagles are playing their worst yet are still winning so imagine what happens when they play their best.
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>>151119778
4chan has better football discussion now.
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Goof would be held to a higher standard if he won two Mickey Mouse MVPs. Simple as.
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>>151119830
Im merely pointing out that this general and the sports media in general have higher expectations for black QBs. The only one who gives black QBs a constant pass is Stephen Sith
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>>151119778
This anon is CERTIFIED
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>>151119830
I care about the jewish mafi- erm, media
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>>151119778
I kneel
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>>151119844
Give Jared Goff Bo Nix's defense and OL and he'd be sitting on 8 rangs.
Simple as.
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>>151119778
Gridiron this bussy
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>>151119812
They lost the game, so although I am speaking in hypothetical, my argument has the benefit of not having the eventuality of a guaranteed loss. So, yes, I am clearly more correct than following a logic that leads to guaranteed failure. They should have kicked the field goal. I can’t believe that’s actually a point of argument when it was what swung the entire game.
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>>151119849
Are leftists actually that delusional or is this all just an elaborate troll? There's no way you seriously think that blacks are held to a higher standard
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>>151119849
you're not gonna get any sympathy from people on here about racism, your time is better spent elsewhere.
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>>151119778
This guy fucks
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*clears throat*
I have an announcement to make.
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>>151119778
Ball knower here. This guy knows ball
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>>151119877
But the simulation doesnt know who will win or the results of the plays its recommending it just takes factors punches them into a formula and out comes the recommended play for each down played. The Lions failed to convert on 4th and short but the recommended play is still to go for it. It had a higher expected value.
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>>151119778
How does he do it?
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>>151119877
pretty sure it was the bobbled pass to aiyuk that won it for the 9ers
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>>151119849
stephen a smith is a comedy act basketball reporter.
the fact that he's even allowed to talk about football on television is an affront to God.
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>>151119778
>Not my heckin ball knowerino!
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>>151119920
Stephen Smith is the black QB defense force. After the Ravens lost to the Lions he changed his tune about the Loins regressing this year but then immediately had to clarify it with "well ackshually the reason the Ravens lost is an injured defense we see that now brotha, you cant win when yall giving up 38 points you know what im saying brotha but Lamah is elite he is an elite quarterback he just needs more elite playahs around him to succeed."
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>>151119401
Brady had a lot of those
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>>151119718
Reek
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>>151119812
Yes. The computer which runs on programs made by numales is wrong.
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>>151119912
real lions fans knew god was smiting their chances when gibbs fumbled
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>>151119308
Big man
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>>151120025
Sometimes teams have to knock on the door a few times before they finally get through
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>>151119778
This is Nick Wright?
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The Eagles offense is dead for half the playtime in every game and they're still winning
Who can stop them?
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>>151119996
REEEEEEK
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>>151120039
Knock om this bussy
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>>151119896
Yes?
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>>151120057
Honest officiating
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>>151119778
Classic
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Would the sport benefit from a CFL-NFL merger? why or why not?
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>>151119778
If you see this post and dont reply you are a certified non ball knower and deserve to put on a trip so I can filter your faggot ass eternally
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>>151119896
what is it?
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>>151120034
hes a really big cat, hes not fat but he is muscular
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>>151120088
ugliest uniform matchup ever
put some stripes on your pants for fucks sake
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>>151119778
Miracle of a post. Entire thread was complete garbage. Sad state of affairs
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>>151120121
No, it would be horrible.
The quality of games is already fairly bad but adding 9 more teams would be horrendous. QB, O and D line play would be torturous to watch.
People forget how bad the last expansion teams were when they were added to the NFL
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>>151118941
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>>151119778
Its been too long since a quality post was made.
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>>151120121
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>>151120201
The Jaguars were actually relatively successful for an expansion team. They did well in the 90s
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Reek
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>>151119270
Too bad nike is apparently a gaggle of retards that just slap teap on it and call it a day
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>>151119618
I've never seen a baby pigeon
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>>151120261
Faguars had a flash in the pan moment for sure, but since then they have been a hopeless and beyond bad franchise. Much like the texans, pants, and the reactivation of the browns.
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always and forever
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>>151120270
it's what ur mum does

>>151120121
abso-fucking-lutely not
the talent dilution with a 40-team league would be horrible
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>>151119363
The having to look at it part.
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>>151119896
tell me the script
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>>151118915
>thing fails
>gee goys it was actually really smartarino according to the data
Do they give out rings for that on reddit?
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>>151120337
First, sex.
Second, anime.
Third, touchdown
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>>151119778
This thread was going downhill fast!
Thank you for saving the thread anon
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>>151119834
>despite being mostly healthy
their OLine is a lot more fucked up then it seems along with losing more and more guys on the DLine
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>>151120312
Does no one in this general understand the concept of a zero sum league? There will always be bad teams, every single damn year there will be bad teams thats the nature of the NFL, often the bad teams stay bad because to improve you need talent and the only way to get talent is to draft and develop it, or pay free agents to fill holes in your roster and you dont have unlimited money as theres a salary cap in the NFL. Teams cycle in and out of being bad, and to boot only one team wins it all per year so even teams like the Steelers who always have a winning season and almost always make the playoffs have been labelled bad because theyve had poor playoff success.
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>>151120121
Every CFL team would get raped to death for half a decade straight. There's good players in the CFL, it's not a joke league, but it in no way shape or form could hang with the NFL. It's also irrelevant because Cucknada will just be absorbed into the US within our lifetimes and will be under the jurisdiction of the NFL regardless. It's basically already 'murica lite as is.
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>>151120201
>>151120320
Guess I'll stick with the Bills.
At least Highmark Stadium is only 2 hours from me, if I can dodge and weave ICE from sending me to a concentration camp in Missouri desu
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>>151120366
Spoken like a true faggot who doesn’t understand football
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>>151120097
Faggot detected, opinion rejected.
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>>151120097
name a single game with any teams where everything was called correctly and nothing was missed
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>implying anybody in this thread knows ball except me
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>>151120385
>Cucknada will just be absorbed into the US within our lifetimes
haha
No.
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>>151120366
I was going to give you a serious relpy, but then I realized that youre a faggot who just jumped into the middle of the conversation without reading they reply chain which is why this sperg out post doesnt have any relevance to whats being discussed.
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>>151120366
This is a retarded take. Most of the reason why so many teams are bad is because most coaches are not good. You could have an entire roster of giganiggas and you would still get your anus prolapsed regularly on national television going up against a team with better coaches.
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>>151120386
why are wrs like this
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>>151120450
Because they're usually twinks and need their bussies gaped to behave. Hamchads don't have this problem.
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>>151120345
plausible
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What will professional football look like during the civil war, after the collapse, and when the Chinese take over North America
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>>151120485
>>>/pol/
begone
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>>151120521
Jeet or chink?
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>>151120521
You WILL drink the corn syrup
You WILL consume Red 40
You WILL take the insulin shot
You WILL salute your local McDonalds
You WILL kneel to dem boys
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>>151120386
Traded to Patriots when?
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>>151120521
I just cut down the maple tree in my front yard.
Mad?
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>>151120388
Fucking how? You cant win without the other team losing so by definition its zero sum, at the end of the season there will always be teams that have less than 5 wins, the only real question is how many there will be. Also teams cycle out of being good and cycle out of being bad all the time.
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>>151120579
>Also teams cycle out of being good and cycle out of being bad all the time.
you clearly dont watch football
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>>151120446
Yeah cause im sure coaching could save the Bungholes non-existent O-Line. Face it coaching only matters when you already have competent players, the greatest coach in the NFL world couldnt win a single damn game if he was stuck with a college roster against an NFL one, you first need talent, only after you have talent on your team does coaching even enter the equation.
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>>151120579
No one thinks the Steelers are bad.
When a team has a bad season they set more reasonable goals than winning the Super Bowl the next season. So they can be successful by making progress.
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>>151119717
harbawwww is still alive
sup harbs. garnett here still looking for insider info about player injuries before placing some bets.
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>>151120596
Since the NFL realigned to eight four-team divisions in 2002, 25 teams have gone from worst to first in their division in a single season. There were no such teams in 2024, but the 2023 Texans are a recent example. They improved from a 3-13-1 record in 2022 to 10-7 and an AFC South title.
Now shut your fucking mouth
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Shut your fucking bussy
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Bussy
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>>151120623
The last 25 years have been dominated by two teams in the AFC.
The Jets haven’t been good since the eighties.
The Browns haven’t been good since the 50s.
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>Four worst-to-first teams have ultimately won the Super Bowl: the 1999 St. Louis Rams, the 2001 New England Patriots, the 2009 New Orleans Saints, and the 2017 Philadelphia Eagles.
But sure teams in the NFL dont go from bad to good all the time
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Bearsies this bussy
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>>151119174
The old one was better. This one's almost like a teal. They also can't get the Kelly Green right, no matter how hard they tell you it's correct
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Correct this bussy
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'ynthia in the genny
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>>151120638
What the fuck does that have to do with what I just posted you mouth breathing faggot? You said teams in the NFL dont go from bad to good and I just posted proof that actually almost every season theres a team that was god awful who turns it around and goes from a losing team to a winning one
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>>151118983
Honduran
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>>151120665
Genny this bussy
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>teams in the NFL dont go from bad to good all the time

Nobody who knows ball says this. If the Wions and Redskins can be revived anyone can. Titans were even decent for a few seasons before they plonked out
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>>151120670
No you said teams cycle. True for maybe half the league, but half the league is pretty much always good or always bad
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It's crazy how one gif was able to bring down an entire franchise.
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This bussy
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>>151120623
W/L records of some teams for the last QUARTER OF A FUCKING CENTURY (Thats 25 years for the niggers in the back)
>Browns
138-265-1
>Raiders
159-245.
>Jets
169-235.
>Jags
154-250.

You dont know what youre talking about because you dont watch football. its obvious to those who do.
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>>151120695
Best meme on /nfl/ of all time
I kneel
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>>151120683
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>>151120695
And there it is
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>>151120695
GOATed meme
/nfl/ always bringing the bantz
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>>151120695
Say that on your main coward
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>>151120697
Mina Kimes is pregnant with my child
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It's crazy how one commercial was able to bring down an entire genny
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>>151120697
Who gives a flying fuck about total win/loss records over the course of 50 fucking years when thats not what the NFL season is based on? You know this and are being a disingenuous faggot
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>>151120700
Your gonna get this bussy kiwi I know you love it
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>>151120695
Someone get this HOT HEAD outta here
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>>151120695
>gayest meme in /sp/ history belongs to this genny
I kneel
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>>151119239
I played Madden 03 last night. Had fun with the rasm in franchise mode
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>>151120687
Yes teams cycle, I just posted proof of it by showing you that almost every year theres a team who was dead last in the division who comes in and wins it. How is that not cycling from bad to good?
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>>151120695
Post it on your main coward
(based)
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>>151120695
Football is _____
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>>151120767
No, some teams cycle, but it’s maybe half of teams. Some teams are always good or always bad.
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>>151120695
Bussy this bussy
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>>151120737
Raiders fans dont even care about football most are just women who like bad boys and the raiders used to be associated with typical gangbanging violent dark triad Chads
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>>151120737
Bring down this bussy
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>>151120749
You calling me a queer? You got any proof?
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74/37 - Nsafdn Cntn (2*), Zgsvazk Hsso (ZZE), Tnoza Tsan (ZZE)
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>Tdyszl Sayvksf
KG: ウマオオオオ (34 bakkanj/bnjtd), GQNW, ウマぴょいのまにまに (Pn xqntz)
VP: dttgf://ysjtyu.nye/eknrzkvkqrfqbz
Mnq bqft rs V2 (34o gnajtf) tn pnaj z vayvks. Wggku watd /qbz/ ny /me/ aj unqy gyniaks ny gnft XC aj tds tdyszl.

>Wkk Yqalsf & Esfnqyvsf
dttgf://ysjtyu.nye/qbz38
Yzbs lztzrzfs
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W rzfav eqals iny jswizef
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Lajl jstwnyof ai unqy yseanj af rknvosl iynb tds ezbs ny vkasjt
dttgf://www.qbzmgj.tng/
Zsauqq & Snjvsytf
dttgf://ysjtyu.nye/qbft
/qbz/ GAY (Gzgsy Awjsyf Yzbs)
dttgf://ysjtyu.nye/qbzgne
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>>151120743
You said and I quote:
>Im an enmorous cock sucking faggot who thinks teams cycle out of being good and cycle out of being bad all the time
When in reality thats not true at all. Even cazzies know this. Bad teams in the NFL have been BAD BAD for 25 plus years now. Thats not cycling faggot.
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>>151119586
Career ending injury?
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>>151120791
You posted your bussy and got gaped in new orleans
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>>151120799
wrong thread alejandro
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>>151120805
Is that a Tom Waits song?
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>>151120804
Nope. Just Reek
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>>151120801
25 fucking teams have gone worst to first since 2002 you cum guzzling nigger
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Cum guzzle this bussy
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>>151120695
i dont get it
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>>151120822
Getting first in your division doesn’t mean you’re a good team you piece of actual human shit
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>>151120839
You will soon ;)
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>>151120805
1st thing doesn't make me gay just a druk King shitposter. 2nd thing didn't happen
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>>151120695
Greatest meme
1000 internetz to you
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>>151120842
>winning doesnt make you a good team
you have actual frontal lobe damage from being ironic too often, id say kill yourself but im sure you're too retarded to even figure out how to do it
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>>151120822
>WOWIE ZOWIES! A HECKIN DIVSIONAL FLASH IN THE PAN MEME SEASON!!!!
Shant be continuing this discussion with you anymore, retard.
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>>151120849
Posting your asshole for strangers online is super gay and no amoint of cope will change

Second you needed surgery for your gaped asshole after getting raped in the french quarter. You said so yourself you stayed in the hospital for a couple days while your torn rectum healed up from miles of BBC
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>>151120854
Winning YOURE DIVISION you disingenuous fucking Jewish nazi rape baby.
Every single fucking year there are shit teams that win their division.
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>be kiwi
>get mugged
kek
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>>151120695
How did this genny ever fucking survive without this meme? Everything PALES in comparison
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>>151120660
Its cause the jets
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>>151120737
Why did they stop airing this?
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>>151120873
Didn't happen. You couldn't even see my asshole although you clearly tried. Did a little enhance trying to see some Kiwi sphincter. Highly questionable behavior on your part
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Rams play tomorrow
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>>151120888
Not only that
>get mugged after talking shit
Kek what a pussy
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>>151120695
Surrender to the greatest /nfl/ meme of all time
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>>151120695
Its crazy how two words could elevate an entire thread.
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>>151120899
Your country is embarrassing.
Imagine putting up with this cringey bullshit from inbred cannibals.
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>>151120900
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>>151120911
I likes black QBs better
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>>151120875
to win your division you generally have to win football games against teams not in your division too dumbass
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>>151120860
Several of those teams have gone on to win a superbowl you disingenous wojak cum guzzling faggot
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>>151120899
Those Louisans surely didnt have to work as hard tho - you handed it to them like you handed the genny your bussy for everyone to see
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>>151120921
Lame. Shit. Embarassing even. Bussy makes everyone of all races seethe. Not just niggers.
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>>151120646
I don't care for the Bears but I want Caleb to succeed so that all the haters can seethe. He's similar to Allen. Both lacked the fundamentals and struggled early on, but showed glimpses of brilliance.

>>151120749
>>151120700
>Superman (2025)
Budget 225M
Gross 615M
>Demon Slayer: Infinity Castle
Budget 20M
Gross: 616M

Make this make sense you /tv/ fags.
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>>151120917
>imagine putting up with this cringey behavior

Pot calling the kettle black
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>>151120922
Man you are really just dumb
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>>151120695
I love this meme. This is even better than those balls
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>>151120922
Get a load of this retard kek
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>>151120961
>has it saved to his computer for easy access
>constantly posts it for attention
Hmmm. curious that type.
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>>151120695
I hated this forced meme but eventually it grew upon me. The webm spammer's da flu forced meme will never catch on. The guy needs to give up.
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>>151120695
Bussyposter is GOATed. Bussyposter is life. Hes so based he BTFO everyone with two words
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>>151120990
>but eventually it grew upon me
Wait til you try some IRL
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>>151120953
I didn't watch either. I tend to stick to 60s-90s cinema these days. Far more comfy and almost no fake CGI background dogshit. Been watching some Polanski flicks lately bro is a great director even if he is a diddler
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>>151120990
Nah he's based
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>>151120953
Tranime won. The Reze movie will top the box office in october
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>>151120990
cope
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>>151120962
>>151120981
the only losing team in recent memory that won a division was the Skins in 2020
so out of 8 division winners a year for the past 5 years only one has won it with a losing record. meaning the other 39 division winners had winning records you tard
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>>151121016
>watches pedoshit
>saves gay cheerleader webms
>posts his bussy online for strange men on the internet cause he was "drunk"
>got gaped so hard he needed surgery
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>>151121016
>Been watching some Polanski flicks lately bro is a great director even if he is a diddler
Same. The ninth gate will always be a top 3 movie for me, and Chinatown hovers around top 5. I re watched them recently and i still really enjoy them
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>>151121075
Trip on bradysknee
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>>151121075
Ninth Gate is probably my favorite of his so far. Chinatown I thought was kind of boring massively disappointed after hearing so much hype about it. Great ending but it dragged a lot. Gonna watch Pirates next I think
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Aw look Pedosknee and the Kiwi can agree on something after all
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>>151121115
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why does a kiwi even watch American football? Dont they have Abbo football out in New Zealand?
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>>151121115
The Pianist is his magnum opus
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What happened to Temujin? Haven't seen that guy since the Raiders MNF game
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>>151121144
Because hes emotionally stunted and has no friends. That and hes a jeet
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>>151121127
We also agree on Drake Maye to be fair (assuming that anon is him) I actually rated him above Bo Nix pre draft 2024. I still think the Patriots roster doesn't have enough pieces to compete in the AFC yet but they're 2-2 so maybe Vrabel can surprise everyone again
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>>151121154
his bussy got gaped by a blocked field goal, or maybe he had a realization that hes not a woman and he threw away all his hormones
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>>151121115
>Ninth Gate is probably my favorite of his so far
If you truly did enjoy this movie, Id highly recommend the book-- The Club Dumas by Arturo Pérez-Reverte. Its got a different ending.
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>>151121154
>guy
She has nothing to talk about other than how much her team fucking sucks AGAIN. Least shes not like cowfags that never get the hint
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>agreeing on Pedos and Drake Maye
Hell of a venn diagram there
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>>151121149
Never seen it. I do like Adrien Brody and obviously it won a ton of awards I just never got around to it. Will at some point

>>151121160
>still implying this is me

Write another essay mindbroken retard
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>>151121169
>She
dont be transphilic fag
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>>151120319
Anyone have the original greengay gif?

>>151121016
>>151121063
>>151121075
>>151121127
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case#Rape_case
>Geimer testified that Polanski provided champagne that they shared as well as part of a Quaalude,[20] and despite her protests, he performed oral sex on her, and penetrated her both vaginally and anally,[21][22] each time after being told "no" and being asked to stop
Shame on the kiwi for watching a movie by that pedo. The kiwi is an irl pedo as well.
https://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/150696773/#q150697726
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>>151120961
>one forgettable fag
vs
>pride of your nation
Its shameful every other team is forced to watch this shit
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I’m in a pick em league and between the rams and colts should I save the rams pick for later?
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>>151121176
Temubitch isnt here to bat for you anymore kiwi, your the only flag here that uses that word and you said so yourself. I pressed you on this topic before and you lied about being a /pol/poster
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>>151121199
>tell someone "no"
>stay and let them keep doing things to you instead of getting up and leaving or calling the police
women dont use their brain
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>still obsessed

You gonna cry and ask for photos again mutt? kek get some Cobenfy in ya
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>>151121219
Gonna start the baby dick spam again streetshitter?
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>everyone is the Kiwi!!!!!
>there's only one Kiwi!!!!!!!
>you post with other flags!!!!!!!
>you're lying I'm not an insane schizo faggot!!!!!!!

Mindbroken on 3
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>>151121214
At that age you're old enough to know what he's doing to you is illegal and you also have seen enough crime movies to know what people are willing to do to hide crimes. She doesn't know if he's going to kill her if she doesn't play along.

Now when it's a girl molesting a boy, the boy has no excuse since even teenager boys can overpower adult females.
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>>151121236
Jeet gonna start seething at joos again?
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>indian wants to be american so bad he spams a basket weaving football general
Sad! Many such cases
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I can fix the ravens
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Here comes the baby mutiliation photos in 3....2....1...
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>>151121214
She's a 80lb 13 year old in a house alone with an adult male who is drugging her. You're lying if you think you would have done anything different. What are you going to do, fight back and get killed. Or run away, run to where? This happened in the 70s where there's no mobile phones.
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>>151121266
WHERE IS THE DICK
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>>151121266
>no buldge
Gay
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>>151121049
If the Browns played the Jets tomorrow and won, would you say the Browns are a good team?
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>>151121266
Thats a man
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>>151121266
>>151121276
"She" is packing heat if you know what I mean.
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>>151121295
BUENO
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I fuck men on the daily and im super straight
Vaginas are for fags. Man ass is highest TEST
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>>151121312
>everyone ITT kneeling out of respect
Based
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>>151121305
>>151121287
>>151121276
>>151121266
Would?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-WRHLfuuWY
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>>151121312
When you really think about it twink boypussy was the real catalyst for the Roman and Greek empires
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>purdy out
>pearsall out
>jennings out
somehow the rams will find a way to keep it close with the 49ers backups, should be a good game tomorrow
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>>151121312
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>here's your cheesesteak bro
Eagles fans will unironically pay TWELVE DOLLARS for THIS. Wow.
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>>151121322
Fuck yeah why not. Hotter than most women. Dick is just a big clit anyways
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>>151121322
Booking my ticket to Thailand as we speak. God I love chicks with dicks so much
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>>151121312
This is the way
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One time my mom asked for sex and I said, naw, I’m straight, I’ll fuck dads bussy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul7dyZ5fPQk
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>>151121312
What a based fag. I would suck your dick ngl
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>>151121312
For once this is a semen slurping sport I can get behind.
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>>151121337
Erm that’s not a cheesesteak though
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Someone is clearly wayyy off their fucking meds with all the same fagging in this thread.
ffs dude, get a glass of water and go lay down or something.
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>>151121312
Damn
Truth
NVKE
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>>151121381
>...."as he cries out amongst the bots and shills"
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>>151121381
Dead board
Dead website
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>>151121312
FUCKKKKK why am I not this CHAD right here?
>tfw
Holy shit bros why live
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When was the moment the NFL died
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>>151121346
let's go, /sp/ field trip
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>>151121404
when they made it illegal to play defense
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>>151121204
This nzed fag had no rebuttal and ignored this post lololol
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>>151121312
You jist know this guy has huge meaty balls and a thick veiny one in the middle. Mmmmmmm.... ;p
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>>151121381
shitposting in the genny will always be better than stat comparison spam and PFF graphs
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>>151121404
Overly protective rules for QBs and WRs made the game pass heavy.
Where have the fullbacks gone?
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>>151121312
Based
/nfl/ is a gaychad genny
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>>151121426
>stats show that Bo Nix is shit so therefore stats are bad
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is this cheating
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>>151121312
>Man ass is highest TEST
Where im from we just call it "bussy"
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>>151121426
I largely agree as long as its on topic, but theres a hard limit here and we've flown way past it
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>>151121444
Why the fuck do you care? Problem? Imagine caring about shitposting enough to be a bitch about it
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fly past this bussy
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>>151121437
Yes. Its a false start and also an Illegal formation. Nothing pisses me off more than that gay flying V wedge pass pro.
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>>151121437
Eagles OL has been cheating for the last 3 seasons but everyone is too focused on hating on the Chiefs to notice it. Glad Brady called them out which resulted in the league sending that memo to the refs.
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>>151121312
Straights BTFO
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>>151121464
This. But Jawaan Taylor is still the worst at it
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>>151121452
Take your meds.
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Who will beat the Eagles this season?
Theyre projected to win 12-13 and lose 4-5 so who will the 4-5 losses be to?
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>>151121487
lions packers bills and one inexplicable loss to the giants
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>>151121444
>there's a limit

You can just leave and come back tomorrow it'll probably be back to actual discussion. Right now it's shitposting and probably gonna delve into some music posting if youngchad or someone starts sipping on some bevvies. I'm tempted to myself ngl
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I lined up in your mom's neutral zone.
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>>151121486
Cope and Seethe bitch made faggot
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>>151121431
That's why rodgers is my qb
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>>151121370
Get behind this bussy.
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I lined up in my dads neutral zone
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>>151121481
>Jawaan Taylor
Once someone pointed out that Jawaan was cheating the refs have bullied him. He became the most penalized player in the last 2 seasons. The same is not happening to the Eagles cheating OL. Terrible analogy.
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>>151121493
>all three teams located in red states
not that I dont believe it but I kind of have a hard time believing it. Its really not the Niners?
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>>151121527
he got off plenty of uncalled false starts last season
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>>151121497
>Packers
They lost twice to them last year I doubt it
Bills Loins I can buy and Gnats too but the Packers are a paper tiger that has already gotten wet
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>>151121544
packers can get their shit together, they have a bye this week to figure out their fuckups
eagles could also maybe lose to washington but i think they're overrated
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>>151121428
The game being pass heavy isn't what killed the nfl, it's teams not being allowed to actually play defense and every single fucking cornerback not turning their head during pass coverage and grabbing jerseys. You can literally just throw hail mary sideline balls and get free yards at will by baiting a corner into getting a flag thrown. It's illegal to even breathe on a qb even when they're running the ball. The game is totally cucked, you can't have enforcers anymore that lay the wood in an offenses bussy. That's what's killing the sport but it won't be stopped because it makes more money to have games end in 40-40 fucking TIES in OT. Same reason they juiced the kicking balls so it's possible to make it from 70+ yards now if it doesn't get blocked.

At this rate the 4 point stance will be banned in a decade and the three point stance will be banned in our lifetimes. Probably shortly after we annex our hat for being uppity faggots.
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>>151121497
>packturds
>the team that gave up 40 points to dick poopstink
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Dick poopstink this bussy
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Touchdowns
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>>151121594
HOLY
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>>151121437
Only faggots think it's cheating. It's gamesmanship. You time the snap count and start your kick step as quickly as possible to get an advantage on the defensive line. It happens at every level of the sport and only subtarded ceiling bird enthusiasts chimp about it. Is it extra egregious sometimes? Yes, so throw a flag. But as long as there is football there will be offensive and defensive linemen trying to time their launch as tightly as possible and very often getting away with moving early because the game isn't officiated by computers but by people.

The entire league can eat shit and die mad, the niggles shouldn't be penalized for having the best line on both sides of the ball. That's how the fucking sport works. Stop wasting draft picks on qb's and wr's and get some good hamchads of your fucking own and you too can run the tush push successfully and make Mutthomo look like a retarded brillo-haired wigger in the 'owl.
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>>151121594
We got a live one Ace
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>>151121594
The Mind of an astute Ball Knower.....
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>>151121594
How does he know?
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i don't know what killed the NFL but I do know what killed /nfl/, essay posters who think they have anything intelligent to say
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>>151121594
If only it were that simple my fellow ball knower. If only
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>>151121594
New best meme just dropped
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>>151121594
This man plays the game. He understands the core tenets and fundamentals at work here.
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>>151121621
I'll gaperape your bussy esé
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>>151121594
ELITE level ball knowledge. Based Hans throwing a dagger in the heart of all cazzies
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>>151121594
I think I just came
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>>151121537
>he got off plenty of uncalled false starts last season
No he's not. We wish he was getting away with it. This faggot has cost us multiple games.
>2023
Jawaan led the league in penalties (17)
>2024
Jawaan was tied at #2 in penalties (14)
>2025
Jawaan is currently leading the league with (6)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nORtIPY_Pdw
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Turnover on downs
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>shit games this weekend
thank god for playoff baseball
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>>151121749
I like anime so I like that Ohtani guy. How is his team doing? Will he win?
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>kiwi tries to ride the wave
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>>151121787
i didnt know st louis women were that thick
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>>151121562
>theres no defense played now!
>more games end under the points total than over
This is how I know you're parroting some shit you heard by a boomer online and dont actually watch the game at all
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>>151121764
his team has a shitty bullpen and the phillies are going to tee off on it to win the series
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im calling a rams-chiefs super bowl. the only two teams in each conference without a major flaw
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>>151121779
I thought it was funny... I'm sipping on sum bevvies thoughbeit
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>>151121818
>his team has a shitty bullpen
Picking up right where he left off his Agnels days. At least he got a ring last year.
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>>151121853
What team is this?
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>>151121853
And there it is
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>>151121853
Say it on your main coward
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>>151121853
R*cist A*shole
Bet you wont dare doing that in public
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>>151121853
Based oldfag AIsloppa working the genny into a shoot
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>>151121853
This is what they took from you
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>>151121437
Someone in this genny once was adamant that the outside leg is basically allowed to do anything pre snap. Sounds retarded but I see it often enough to believe that it's been made legal
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>>151121853
It still hurts bros ;-;
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>>151121891
>shit team names
>ahit team colors
>shit team histories
Could not imagine myself being a cleveland sports fan, not even as a nightmare. I think I would legitimately kms
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>>151121891
Cleveland is brown
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>>151121930
still better than cincy tho
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>>151121942
how? the browns have never even been to the superbowl at least Cinci went recently
Cinci does have that disgusting chili tho
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>>151121953
>A's girl doesnt have A cups
ONE JOB
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>>151121953
one for Chiefs and Royals pls
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>>151121980
ew
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>>151121951
>Cinci does have that disgusting chili tho
no they don't. chili is a type of food but that thing they eat in cincy is no such thing.
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>one for Chiefs and Royals pls
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>>151121953
Damn i never knew Oakland had palm trees and a beach also why are they white? ive never met a white raiders fan in my life
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>>151121977
Same reason QUEER MIND quit his spam after a few weeks
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>>151121989
saved
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>>151121990
>ive never met a white raiders fan in my life
Nta but this really isnt a joke either. Even in Vegas.
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>>151121811
So you're telling me the totals nowadays are the same as they were in the past, is that right? Curious. Quick question; how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
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>>151122005
I met a white raiders fan once in my life. His shitbulls got out of their crates, chewed a hole in our fence, and killed our dog. Respect where it's due though they tied them to a tree in their backyard and let my dad shoot them both in the head.

White skin doesn't mean the absence of a nigger soul and that's all you really need to be a raiders fan.
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>>151121977
Died of AIDS
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Why does god hate the city of Cincinnati
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>>151122129
Because you touch yourself at night
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take this bussy dahn tahn for a shopping spree
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Take this bussy shitposting on ess pee
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This bussy visa baby everywhere you want to be
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>>151122222
those digits... wasted... into the sands of time...
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This bussy even respected by the OGs
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>>151122222
Kek bussy got em plonked no cap
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https://youtu.be/WNcsUNKlAKw
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>>151122226
Good. Fuck this place
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>>151122256
>Debussy - Clair de Lune
>Debussy
>bussy
You guys have made me immature.
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>>151122284
New
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>>151120665
Looks like she nose what's up

Gross



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