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Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
i keep putting phyrexian arena in every deck
anyone who runs phyrexian arena over insatiable avarice is a brainlet
Convince me this isn't a red draw staple
I really wish this art was used for the birthing pod vannifar.
>>92533371i already have sign in blood
>>92533114*thiurty
i was playtesting a bit with him and im assuming that in actual games hes a kill on sight commander no matter what because if you get a single turn with any other previous setup the game is probably over right? or is he just okay at a regular table
Gay Bolas
>>92533433you're supposed to run sign in blood in addition to avarice
>>92533461also i forgot to ask but, stuff like myriad or anything that puts multiple lands at once would it only trigger him once, or does it trigger on every land even if they enter at the same time
>>92533478i didnt go to the cowboys pre release
>>92533479It's "Whenever a land", not "whenever one or more" so his ability will trigger for each individual land that enters the battlefield, regardless of if they entered at the same time as any other lands. The same is true for every instance of the Landfall ability.
>>92533489ah, so with that knowledge im assuming omnath is absurdly strong
>>92533516The fact he costs 7 mana and has no protection is a very steep drawback. I wouldn't say he's a very powerful commander because it takes time to get him out and you need to have pieces to protect him, whereas some more value accumulator commanders will likely stick around longer/be on the board sooner.He's fun though, landfall is an extremely fun mechanic to play once you start recurring fetches.
>>92533547i figured the only real downside is hes 7 mana and a huge removal magnet, but if you have any setup before he hits the board im assuming you just snowball so far out of control that its overive been doing a bunch of play testing with a build i kinda threw together since i was interested in playing some lands deck since i wanted to play lumra or azusa, but omnath seemed like a better way to go
>>92533461You're better off running Temur Omnath. He's draw, four mana, and pumps. You can put Gruul Omnath into the deck as well.Plus, Risen Reef is an absurdly strong card.
>>92533547>>925335847 mana for a landfall deck isn't a drawback. You should be able to get hik out by turn 4 easy.
>>92533584Let's say you've done enough "setup" to have a terror of the peaks type ETB->damage equal to power ability, and other setup to allow you to drop 6 landfall triggers (not crazy difficult to do with fetches, extra land plays, and play lands from graveyard)This is what I would consider "good" setup for dropping omnath, and for it, you get 6 5/5s and 30 damage in 5 damage chunks. That's good, but its not "win the game immediately" territory.
>>92533114Based
so how strong is new obeka finally
I'm so excited for my Lord Windgrace deck to get here bros
>>92533741Post list
>>92533741are you a gay furry?
>>92533760what if she's a straight furry, huh? open your mind
>>92533769just asking questions to confirm a pattern bro...
>>92533613Maybe il slowly pick up stuff to give him a try, he does seems really fun to play and Its not like the people in my pod play weak decks soIl probably ask my buddy on Friday about omnath since hes built a million fucking decks
>>925333804 cmc in best-case scenario. Clogs hard if your deck has any combo pieces so it basically only fits in battlecruiser or goodstuff decks, and cmc is too high for goodstuff since even if plotted it's 4 mana not spent advancing the board.
>>92533776It's not a dragon so obviously not.
>>92533753https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7391293/wind_grace>>92533760No, my heart belongs to Teysa.
>>92533086One time, I was killed by a Gishanth player. He turned all his dinos sideways to finish me off and I scooped before combat damage was delt. He immediately reached for his deck to put a bunch of dinos into play, but I reminded him that he didn't deal any combat damage. He had a meltdown, because he was relying on Gishanth to give him blockers so that he could survive to his next turn.
>>92533740she's good, but ironically gets fucked bad by other stall heavy strategies
>>92533804Do you think that this deck is good
>>92533824I think it'll be fun and that's all that matters.
>>92533837I like it, for the record :3c
>>92533813why did you tell a story about you being a faggotand no before you cope Im a spellslinger chad
I could tune her to any level I wanted right
>tq Niv mizzet player had reliquary tower and like 30 cards in hand with a rhystic study then I ended up stealing his windfall he cast way earlier in the game with my Tasha and I made him deck out since he tapped out trying to counter all the other shit
>>92533894I like najeela I wish she wasn't 5cMaybe she can be my option if I ever get into cedh
>>92533790If you do build him, check out "power X or greater" matters cards, since you'll be shitting a lot of them out. Stuff like where ancients tread or garruk's uprising.
>>92533912I was thinking of going with a more midrange creature/dork heavy list thats super light on white and black just based on what cards I already have available. The big problem is I don't want to buy dockside and monkey
>>92533741I was thinking of running a jank lands list for his ghost, just gotta look through my for collection
>>92533918Garruks seemed fucking broken, same with greater goodDoes awaken the woods trigger omnath?
>>92533935Yes, any permenant that has the Land type will trigger omnath, including awaken the woods and creatures ETBing when you have Ashaya on the board.Greater good is kind of pricey but there are some good one off alternative cards like Life's Legacy, Return of the Wildspeaker, and Rishkar's Expertise
>>92533804plap plap plap plap
>Retard plays Mycosynth Lattice while Bolas player is sitting with Leyline of Anticipation and 8 mana open>Vandalblast immediately overloaded when priority passesWhat possesses people to run this card?
>>92533894I was thinking about making her mardu warrior tribal back when she first debuted but I gave up on it a long time ago.
>>92534013It has to be a holdover from an earlier era of the game, I refuse to believe anyone who isn't mindlessly surfing EDHrec slots it into their deck over another artifact card.
Have we reached the point where every new commander is just a statistical improvement on the last?
commanders for this feel?
>>92533854>Times you turned somebody's combo / synergy against them?>Why did you tell a story about turning someone's synergy against them?I was a deck because he's one of those people who gloat when they're ahead and whine when they're behind.
>>92534173>I he's one of those people who whine when they're behindyou quit to make him lose on a technicality out of spite, you're a petty fag
>>92534173You didn't actually turn his combo against him though. You played a spellslinger deck and lost to little timmy battlecruiser after scooping out of shame that you didn't find resources to remove 8 cmc dinos turning sideways.
>>92534173it's cunts like this that made us force a rule where surrendering can only happen if everyone else agrees to it
>>92534247>I quit to make him lose on a technicalityHe killed himself by tapping out. It WAS spiteful, but it was also very funny>>92534261I was being attacked by everyone because I won the previous game. You can only kill so many creatures before you run out of kill.>>92534281You can't prevent someone from leaving a game of Magic
>>92534328>You can't prevent someone from leaving a game of Magicbut you can just ignore them scooping like that and not invite them back
>>92534345>IgnoreHow?
>>92534013I run it in precisely one deck for the Karn lock, and I've seen maybe 2 other people play it and 1 person play encroaching mycosynth; every single time they just dropped it with no follow-up and immediately got blown out by artifact hate. Straight up tried to convince one guy to walk back lattice by dropping very unsubtle hints that I had Karn in hand but they just proceeded like normal.
>>92534350ok dino guy you deal your dinodamage to the spellsnigger as he's scooping and you get your dinos
>>92534367I suppose you'll be sad to learn that the other four people sided with me and didn't bend the rules to save him from overextendeding. You might be extra depressed to learn that we played more games that same night and we still play Magic together.
>>92534157Jared Carthalion X damage tribal sounds fun
>>92534157I would do Doran so you have access to green's ramp and black's BBM, give it the usual toughness matters theme, maybe pillowfort yourself up a bit. Win with one of those or torment or big fart
>>92534064Toshiro has some fringe uses that are not possible with Kaervek, such as if the card doesn't go to your bin when cast, it doesn't get exiled, like Buyback. Still, I'm glad about my Xiahou Dun, as it's a design space that doesn't probably get explored any further anytime soon.
>>92534157I was going to do RG one with Klothys, but also wanted to play white for Purity and Tamanoa. So I ended up with Marath, because you can do direct damage with it as well as it scaling with the cost you pay. So naturally I also started to play Enrage creatures too and man it's been great. Earthquakes really hit different when you have Unbound Flourishing on the field.
>>92534399No you see, I wouldn't agree to that, so it's impossible that anyone anywhere in the world agrees. Because I don't.
>>92534157>Big X spells with green but splashing white.You prob want to be playing Zacama.
>>92534157>>92534934This, but don't forget Sanctum of Eternity for an easy infinite combo with Zacama
>>92533591>Plus, Risen Reef is an absurdly strong card.When this was in standard I had an elemental deck built around cloning risen reef, it's such a busted card
Am I trolling for wanting to build her as my first (and probably only) deck?
>>92535477dunno what you mean but you'll get most likely targeted with all the removal since she absolutely cannot survive to activate
>>92535503pretty much what you described - I like the character, colours and synergy but if I never get to actually use her what’s the point. I’m used to playing modern where only one person can try to deny me the ability to play the game not three who will shut me down
>>92535477My playgroup usually acknowledge her as kill on site, so if your playgroup is smart good luck trying to play her properly
>>92535541she might be better in the 99 of some other pay life deck. a "secret commander" if you will. that or you run some lightning rods that eat all the removal before your big play
>>92535579>she might be better in the 99 of some other pay life deck any ideas on a main commander substitute for her?
I love this background. Who's a good partner for it?
>be the LGS group hug player>everyone wants to play with me>give everyone free stuff>give the slow player extra boost>games end up being 3+ hours long>tend to lose in 1v1 on purpose>"wow anon you did some silly things for giving us free stuff">still happy despite getting hit by nukes each game
>>92535600while I wanted to be rakdos I’m willing to play mardu if that makes it easier
>>92535600greven maybe? idk what you fancy so you are better off googling that you are selv
>>92535477>>92535503>>92535568You just need to pay some life ahead of time and let her die. Once her ability is on the stack, it's too late.
>>92535816yeah, not gonna happen. you see, I always have it
>>92535946Active player gets priority first after the stack empties. Unless you counter Rowan, he'll be able to activate her.
>>92536075And don't forget, they can hold priority as well and Slam shit on top of the stack as soon as they activate her.
>>92536075No, you see, he always has "it"
>>92536075>>92536128or just removal for whatever is giving the haste
>>92536128A smart Rowen player WILL have ways to untap her and activate her again just in case something like this happens. You're better off using Trickbind to make sure they can't combo out (that turn).
>>92536186True. "It" comes in a variety of shapes and sizes.
>>92536186>A smart Rowen will always have haste and untap and nobody will ever look at the command zone and realize the enchantment needs to be blown up in a format where not having ways to blow up enchantments means any deck with blue will draw over 11 cards.
>>92533380Plot is bad because it doesn't change the board
>>92536274You'd be surprised how often that actually is the case, at least when playing with brainlets or at LGSs. It sucks being the only guy that runs more than 5 pieces of removal.
Have you ever avoided building a commander because of the art
>>92536326Yes, the LOTR set
>>92536326just like any other card, yes. for example avoiding mismatching basics is a mustor most of the new reprints like grand abolisher and tithe angel
>>92536326It's because she black, isn't it? Question: what you'd you do if faced with a Black MtG player, who just wanted to play the game with you? No a criminal, not a hood rat, just a guy who happens to be black. What do you do? >Inb4 long-winded descriptions of essentially chimping out.
>>92536326Yes
>>92536355The original Grand Abolisher is also black, you fool.
>>92536355>>92536364It's the silly hatsI don't like them either
>>92536375nobody was talking about color, anon
>>92536355None of my basics matchFuck you, I will use cool land art.
>>92534013>>92534351I just want to see the world burn
This card is fucking hilarious. They can't even hump up the mana to cast their card again for an increased cost in the same turn, they just have to wait because of plot. Using it with chord of calling so I can whip a convoke'd counterspell out of my ass with no mana and some tokens/creatures on the board.
>>92536533>Joke's on you, the first spell was bait! Now I can resolve this other sp-
>>92536533>Beats any counterspell including Dovin's Veto>Just hard delays anything for a turn>Locks it forever with Drannith Magistrate
>>92536571If Ephemerate is in your hand you've basically amassed enough advantage to win the game already.
>>92536590>don't put it in your hand... Hhhwhaaat?>don't put it in your hand. That's in exile until your next turn. If you put it in your hand then it will become just another unresolved spell. Which it is.
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>>92536375First of all, original Grand Abolisher is pretty damn ambiguous. You have to squint hard and stare at his mouth and chin.Second I think that anon meant that the new Grand Abolisher has very Cowboy flavor cause of OTJ, whereas the original is just generic Magic/High Fantasy.
>>92534064>TCC in the cornerIts always the dumbest little things. Thanks for the hearty breakfast keks anon.Sending that to my Toshiro buddy.
Imodane the Pyrohammer seems to circumvent the big problem that traditional burn struggles with, that is there being 3 players instead of 1. Is she too strong for a casual EDH pod?
>>92533380It should be instant so I can combat trickPumping at sorcery speed gives opponent too much info :/The draw is okayish though. Might go in Ashling just as a way to come back from being hellbent
>>92535629This is reddit
>make the mistake of investing into Arena for the Brawl format to get games in with a friend>incentives for wins means everyone is playing the exact same solved tryhard shit>nazgul spam and 1-3 cmc aggro commanders as far as the eye can see>piles upon piles of generic valuepile simic/esper 'control' lists that just durdle until you leave>basically toddler 1v1 CEDH>every game is just a 3-turn contest of which player has the most obnoxious hand>everyone just spam concedes until they have those perfect hands (ESPECIALLY the greedy 5c decks)>everyone just spam concedes the moment they lose a creature (every single timmy creature deck without fail, every single time)>zero systems in place to punish leaving>yet still the incentive for winning via shitcoin peasant currencyBrawl is legitimately the most joyless form of MTG i've ever experienced and there's people dumping hundreds of dollars into it every monthwould never recommend
>>92536364Personally I’d be surprised they weren’t playing YuGiOh, One Piece, or Dragon Ball, usually where I see them.
>>92535629You are the worst person to play with
>>92537039Np, glad someone else can get a laugh out of my inane psychobabble
>>92536364>Question: what you'd you do if faced with a Black MtG player, who just wanted to play the game with you? What do you do?Play them like anyone else. I don't see why you would hold a strong opinion on someone of a certain race who wanted to just play. The only time I'd refuse to play an individual is if they had a bad reputation of being a sore loser, violent, or an outright thief. But the worst experience I had with an individual was a player getting mad they lost threw their deck of cards at me, flipped the table, and kicked their chair before storming out. That guy was the epitome stereotype of a basement dweller though.
List all the cards that go into the gay bolas theme deck.You must include the redemption arc.
>>92536326>>92536364NTA, I wouldn't play that commander, and Bennie is my reply to his question, I wouldn't play them because they are corporate sweetbaby woke black. You just can feel it. Your question shows how narrow minded you are, as you genuinely believe hating forced diversity == hating black people. If a black nice dude wants to play with me, I would play amicably, as I do now, have done countless times, and will do. Maybe in America it's different, and you think yourself so high and mighty, the savior, but if you took the time to speak to the black dudes who can rub more than two neurons together, you'd be surprised at the takes they have on immigration, woke propaganda, and the like.
>>92537791I forgot they actually made a card called Redemption Arc which feels like it's very weird mechanically for what it is.
>>92537435unless arena ever gets as f2p friendly as Master Duel i aint touching that shit
TQ: Was mana screwed all game with no chance of winning, finally get to 4 mana and drop a Clever Impersonator targeting, wait for it - Dockside Extortionist. There was a bunch of blood tokens, food and even treasures which netted me 25+ treasures. Dropped a Apex Devastator, cascaded into all kinds of shit, played Tooth and Nail getting out more shit, was able to flip a Ulvenwald oddity giving everything trample+haste and killed everybody. Thats 1 card, not even a combo really. Dockside is busted, I had no horse in that race but went apeshit by playing a Clone card
>>92537891PogAnother sorin for my amalia deck
>>92537810The cowboys art just looks like shit, everything looks off, but that's most of the set in the cowboy set, atleast it's not the shitty newspapers arts from karlov
>>92537891Might actually run Sorin in my Lifegain deck, his +2 can hit hard after playing something like Tainted sigil after dumping a bunch of life into a Toxic Deluge
>>92537912>leaving a dockside just sitting on the boardthey deserved everything that happened as a result
>>92537868>>92537876>>92537891>>92537899meh
>>92536364Play the game as normal? I'm not insane, if he's a normal dude then that's that.I still hold my views/beliefs about his race's antisocial culture, but its a matter of seeing if he aligns culturally with that or not by checking his behavior. It's the same thing with transgender stuff, few people are such raging bigots to sperg out on them so theyll play the game and see if they have more in common over a hobby or not
>>92537683Free cards
>>92537979Who runs your lifegain deck?
>>92537876Oh hell yeah, new Grist>>92537891That -1 seems pretty goofy
>>92538041The original Kambal. Turns out players hate having to tick 2 life away whenever they play a non creature card on top of giving me 2 life. He gets hard targeted so I run lots of protection but hes fantastic as a commander
>>92538108Yeah it sounds really funny especially if I have the sorin on board that gives everyone life link
>>92537047Curious how she plays myself, haven't ran into one yet
>>92537047>deck designed in a way that literally cannot function without its 4 mana keywordless commander on the field>too strong for a casual EDH podat best they will whine and ask you to stop playing it because it relies on shooting/killing their creatures to function>interaction>casual
>>92535606i run it in my Elenda deck, it's very fun
>>92538888>>92535606>partnernvm, I'm illiterate
>>92535606Wilson
>>92538142Just thinking about my Dihada deck where I ideally manage to get a bunch of double strike lifelinkers on the field and gain 70-something life every combat phase
>>92536963I wanna sniff your armpit <3
>>92537868bad>>92537876good but narrow>>92537891good but narrow>>92537899generically good
>>92539396I'm excited, not only is he really good in my amalia deck, sorin is my favorite character so I'm always happy to put another copy of my boy into my favorite deck
>a month before spoilers begin for the set with the first new cards for my energy deck in seven (7) yearsI normally hate the eternal spoiler season that they've been rolling for the last few years, but now I'm impatient.
I'd be fine to get a Commander exclusive set that isn't set on one plane. Let artists make something cool first and come up with the mechanical ideas second.
>>92535629What deck(s)/commander(s) Anon?
>>92540295I'd be fine if I would wake up on day and it is pre 2000 again, without leftoids corporate cockslurping cunts shitting up the game with their dogshit californian retard art
Is impact tremors and purphoros my only options for etb burn? Tribal autism won't let me run purph
>>92540345Now try saying that again, without all the buzz words.
>>92540382I think he wants traditional art
>>92540377
>have ADHD>always planning my next turn>when my turn goes I power through it>shortcut irrelevant searches/shuffles to end of turn>know my deck enough that relevant game actions are brief>invariably there's that one player who fetches out his lands, takes a full minute to shuffle, and has no idea what the fuck to do>slowly cascades through his deck one card at a timeSuffering.
>>92540382no, because everyone knows damn well what I'm talking about. go shove your cheap, ideology-driven corporate slop up your ass
>>92540382I yearn for a time where the game was sold on its artistic expression and not a turnstile of quickly and cheaply produced images of questionable quality. In conclusion, I can only blame the company for cutting costs wherever possible. However, I have brain rot so anything I dislike is due to the Others.
>>92540377theres also warleaders call if youre not just mono red
>>92540410Ah, so you have both ADHD and medication.
>>92540410reminds of my friends playing an innocent round of commander with two newer players>start the game, but only had half an hour>half an hour passes, pack my things an leave>the game was on round 4 or 5, around 10 or 11pm, don't remembercall friend the next day>no answer>meet up in the evening>"sorry bro I was sleeping, we played until 6am because one of the new guys took half an hour for every turn"
>>92534013Because you can do a lot of fun silly shit with it.
>>92534013Its in my Alibou deck, alongside darksteel forge and my OWN vandalblast
>>92534013As an Enchanted Evening fag, presumably for all the same reasons that I do, with the disadvantage that more people run Vandalblast than Cleansing Meditation.
Rules question, Parnesse's first ability counts as a crime right?
>>92540625No, but her second does.
>>92540625No, because you're not targeting anything with it. It's much like Ward. Ward countering a spell doesn't commit a crime.
>>92540644>>92540645ok well at least her second ability had the synergy I thought it did, though too bad the first one doesn't because if it did these two would make quite the pair
>>92537868>>92537876>>92537891>>92537899>Modern>posts commanderswotc is not even trying to hide MH3 being Commander Horizons
>>92540722>Flipwalkers are exclusively only for commanders now
>>92540722It's a callback to magic origins flip walkers tho...
>>92540727>RC refuses to make planeswalkers commanders>wotc continues to print commander walkers
>>92540737Makes me wonder if they'll do stories for them, but probably not. Ajani's was already covered in the Alara book, Ral's was at least flashed back to in Gathering Storm, I think Sorin's is basically covered in some lore blurb somewhere... Tamiyo we only know the basics of from the first look and Grist we know nothing about beyond that she exists.
>>92537891dude broodlord preteen sorin sitting sternly in his chair with all his retainers flocking around him is so fucking funny, this art has me rolling
>>92537891I don't hate it, and I probably have some good tech for it somewhere
>>92537860The goad I think makes sense since it makes yourformer enemy creature only fight your other enemies.I don't get the rest though
>>92537868How does this capture the events of Real sparking?
>>92540770It's exactly the kind of energy Sorin should have, to be fair. Same as "fuckboy Sorin at a party but too cool to actually get involved at all".
>>92540812Yeah, not every one of them seems to be as good of a hit. I guess it's kind of meant to reflect him burning himself out and then the uncertainty of what happened or something?
>>92540812String of painful bad luck followed by an escape from it
TIL how chatterfang works in that it modulates the original card. So an attacking najeela will make a warrior and squirrel tapped and attacking huh neat
When did you wake up and realize that commanders are interchangeable and it's all about deck themes?
>>92541277Dubs wasted on you. If your commander is interchangeable then your deck has no soul
>>92541277right around the time i noticed there are only 15-20 themes to choose from
>>92541342In a way he is starting to be correct though. The more legendries they keep printing the more they step on the toes of those that came before making generic list X fit with theme Y
>>92541277All cEDH decks depending on color have the same shell/cards
>>92541628Cedh is soulless
>>92541277When I built 4th and Susan. Sure, they're good engines in the early game, but by the midgame I find that I don't strictly need either of them
>>92541277because the only thing that matters is a commander that gives you easy card advantagebecause at the end of the day, all commander decks are just mid-range value engines that win by overwhelming with card advantage
>>92541635That's why you guys should play true high power with friends but not cEDH levels where infinite comboslegal but you're restrained by budget; no proxies allowed. Games can vary anywhere from people winning on turn 3-4 to going on for over an hour. There's a ton of variation per game and they never drag on for multiple hours.
>>92535477It's dangerous to go alone, take this
>>92541692My buddy has a group of friends that play bordline cedh and it looks really fun seeing stronger decks then usual, but every deck doesn't win with thassas oracle One of them had a really sick praetor deck that was pure phyrexians
>>92540878But he still sparks if you win the first flip and his spark igniting was orchestrated by Bolas rather than being happenstance.
>>92541342No, if your decklist is interchangeable with any other deck headed by the same commander, your deck has no soul.
>>92541822The degree that Bolas orchestrated it is unclear. He knew Ral had a spark and he maneuvered to get him under his influence early on, but Bolas as written in that era also delighted in just giving people more rope to hang themselves with.
>>92541773Yep, you described what it's like perfectly. I think 2 people in the group have thassa combos in their deck but rarely is that ever the wincon. Izzet for example has a ton of lines to win. I play midrange so I'll often hold up interaction in case someone goes for a cheeky turn 2-3 win. I've won with many different combos as well as just simply beating people to death. And the best part is no one cries about unfairness
>>92540748tbf WotC stopped doing it because it turned out planeswalkers kinda suck (well, they don't suck, but they're a lot worse than normal) as commander in a format where 3 other people have creatures to turn sideways at them.
>>92540748>T3feri as commanderYeah I'd rather not let one of the best stax pieces of all-time exist in the command zone
>>92540295Where is that picture from? Love the artstyle
>>92541880My brief stint in historic brawl on arena completely changed my mind on planeswalker commanders from >That could be cool idkto>Fuck noFor example it's so easy to hit this bitch's -7 and just autowin if you're building around her.
>>92541342If every card in your deck was made to interact with your commander, then you didn't build a deck, WotC did it for you
>>92541935Doubling season was banned in our playgroups because of this bitch right here. A 4 mana omniscience is fucking stupid.
>>92541944Every card in my deck works with my Commander AND each other, that way, if I don't have them in play, my deck still works. Is that a problem? Or are you one those soulless types that more or less only use your commander for the colors?
>>92541956If you guys have house rules banning certain cards in the table, you guys are not good players. Get better answers for shit like that. These are the tables I avoid
>>92542088Yep agreed, people need to learn to adapt their decks. It's part of the fun
>>92542088Alright I go first.I play Underground Sea and a Mox Diamond sending Watery Grave, then Chrome Mox imprinting FoW. I play Demonic Consultation and Thoracle gottem ggs should've just played better.
>>92536326I swear to god the instructions some artists get from wotc is to make the card art that depicts people who aren't white be that they have to be ugly as hell. Fat with terrible facial proportions etc.
>>92536326Yep. Anything with Universes Beyond art, commander or not, is off the table.
>>92536326I did the opposite, I built Nekusar purely because of the art. Skeletons with crowns are dope
>>92542116"Anyone have any interaction?" Ok in that case I play force of negation/force of will, you are out of the game. People rarely play like that. You guys always overexaggerate how turbo cEDH is because you guys underestimate how much interaction there is.
>>92542239Wrong. You don't have it because I watched your nonverbals.
>>92541692This is the only correct answer.
>>92542239You're directly to my left, so by asking everyone else if they have a response, that indicates you are passing priority in an attempt to priority bully. Nobody else has a response. Thoracle resolves. Nice angle-shoot retard.
>>92542116>"ooh sorry did I just force of vigor you turn one little bitch? Sorry that my causal commander deck made an oopsie woopsie"There's hundreds of exile/destroy cards that cost 1 or 0 mana to play in all colors. Put them in your deck.
>>92541956So you guys are not good?
>>92542330In response to FoV I tap my mox for mana and give you a weird look.
>>92541880See, I literally wouldn't mind because then he'd be banned and I'd never have to deal with him.
>>92542355It took a companion card literally being free in the format to get the last banlist update. They wouldn't ban him even though he absolutely should be under that circumstance.
>>92542343Yes. We don't really spend money on cards. In fact, I haven't played in years.
>>92542258>>92542294Wrong. I purposely let thoracle resolve after not countering the demonic consultation and evoke endurance
>>92542368>the last banlist updateAre you stupid? Golos? Worldfire?
>>92542368A fundamental change to the rules of the format would be more than enough justification to revisit the banlist.
>>92542398My devotion to blue is 2.There were 2 cards in my GY (Watery Grave and Consultation)2 >= 2I still win the game.
>>92542436Nice one bro, great opening. We got time for a few more games let's go again
>>92542466Alright I go second so I place Gemstone Caverns onto the field.
>>92534013Because it's a card that makes dumb stuff happen, the most basic thing you can do being burning like a billion mana on Lattice+Forge+any of red's old "fuck every single permanent" wipes that destroy.
>>92540382My man wants the game to have good art again.
I gotta admit ladsI don't think I'd be a legendary creature
>>92542380I enjoy the deckbuilding part as much as if not more than playing. I'm glad I'm going into a high paying job that can sustain it
>>92542116>Pact of negation on your Thassas oracleYou'll have to go on without me my friends. Give him hell
>>92542571You'd be a 1 drop with no activated abilities.
>>92542612I let it though. I respect it.
What's everyone's favorite budget commander? Been enjoying playing Meren, but the toolbox stuff I included makes games feel a little too similiar.
>>92542653First print Nicol Bolas
>>92542351Imprint is an etb which can be responded to
>Bluenigger wins the game by stifling his own pact of negation upkeep trigger for the 4 mana he needed
>>92542657Full discard theme?
>>92542653I enjoy my ghave deck
>>92542692>Laughs manaically as he resolves Windfall after flashing in Notion Thief
I didn't enjoy playing my yuriko deck, I put in a bunch of the evasive creatures to turbo her out but he damage ability never really did much and once she was on board nothing else really happened, maybe il cut a bunch of small things and try to just put in more bombs and ninjas, also the entire deck is like 20$ with ponder being the most expensive card I just wanted to play ninjas but I don't like playing blue control
>>92542782yuriko sadly isnt really a ninja deck, I think this is something most yuriko players have had to come to terms with before they make it high power or just take it apart and do something else
>>92542803Is Umezawa just the better ninja commander?
>>92542803The most fun I had with the deck was when I had umezawa, kaito and yuriko on board, I didn't do anything but it was cool to have them all, I just like all the alt arts and I really wanted to play ninjas, so far it's the only deck I haven't really had fun with
>>92542622He'd be a token.
>>92542571I'd be a 0/1 serf token
Any one have trouble with that Decked Builder app?i enjoy sharing my deck ideas with my friends and it's a shame i can't send them anymore.
>>92542571I'd be a creature that gets placed under your opponent's control to fuck them up
>>92542900I'd be this guy
>>92542890there are like 5 different sites that people use that are fairly easy to build on. moxfield is the most popular, tappedout is the one everyone used in the past, archidekt is the hipster option, aetherhub is for literal whos, then deckstats and mtggoldfish both have options for uploading decks.
>>92542936I just used tappedout on my phone then send it to my moxfield after
>>92541822You keep hurting yourself until you spark which makes sense since Ral hated his job.But I was just making a thinly veiled cuck joke
>>92542995What's the most pathetic spark ignition in lore? Narset's was pretty fucking pathetic in the grand scheme of things.Similarly, what do you think is the most traumatic one? I'd like to put forth domri in that regard, since being buried alive, even as part of a coming of age ritual, seems absolutely horrifying.
>>92543003Tyvar's has got to be the lamest, since he managed to not even realize he was a planeswalker.Most traumatic was probably Urza's, given the sheer scale of the Sylex blast. Possibly Jeska's, depending on how much of Scourge was actually just a fever dream.
>>92543039The one from Rabiah also probably ranks high up, given that he was split into 1001 selves IIRC.And let's separate Newwalkers from old, after all, shit was more raw back in the day. Lili counts as a newwalker for this by the by, given she was created after the mending had occurred in lore.
>>92543003Eugene>"Bolas never cared about me">Ugin planeswalks away for the first time>Bolas is left emotionally distraught over the idea his boyfriend died>Of course the infinitely wise Ugin knows Bolas was just acting like it affected him when he had literally nothing to gain from it>Only comes back to give Bolas the fucking LTG speech that causes HIS spark to ignite and set him down the entire villain path
>>92542985why not just use moxfield? what does tappedout do for you?
>>92543290moxfield doesnt have a phone app sadly
>>92543351you can just use it on your phone's browser, no?
>>92543003Narsets was pretty cool. Finding secret hidden knowledge of a world that once was. How was that pathetic?
>>92537891So gentleman I have a question: How hard would it be to have>Sorin Markov>Sorin of House MarkovAnd then kill an opponent with Sorin Ravenous Neonates -1 On turn 5
>have a favorite deck>build new deck with what I learned from favorite deck>play both decks against each other>new deck demolishes favorite deck>new deck has become new favorite deckthe cycle continues
>>92543448Very easy
>>92543398yeah I could but I already had tappedout on my phone so I figure I might as well, its not that much worse and I only need to playtest it on my computer anyway for spell table
>>92533928>the objectively superior Windgrace
>>92536326yep, the Aragon, King of Gondor with the Aranog art
>>92543479Kek. Excellent.
>>92543518You can also pay a bunch of life and sacrifice this guy
>>92543596>pay life, gain life laterI think I know just the guy for that
>>92543479Why does Orzhov have so much kino?
>>92543613This art is fucking S O U L
>>92543619The ideas of something pure being corrupted or something corrupt being redeemed are powerful concepts, and art that depicts that evokes strong emotions from people. Also, Black/White pictures come with built in high contrast coloring, which is also used for impactful images. Also also, religious iconography goes hard.
I'm very stupid and still kind of new, anons. These new planeswalkers have dual coloured frames, but no mana icons, are they dual coloured or not?
>>92543716Yes, they have color indicators on the typeline, like with most TDFCs.
>>92543716They are, the colored circle to the left of the card type information tells you what color cards with no standard casting cost are.
So I build a Braids deck. I put artifacts and enchantments to sac. I have a full grip all game.What am I supposed to use these cards for? drain the table? Thats fucking boring. How else does Mono B win?
>>92543716They are. Wizards has taken to using this multicolored dot to denote a card's color identity when they don't want it to be colorless.
>>92543716I'll help ya. So they're transform cards (Not to be confused with flip cards, which are different, but haven't been touched in ages). Essentially their cards are double sided, one side being the one that you cast, which has the mana cost, and the other side being the one you can transform the card into if you meet a condition (By physically flipping the card). At the moment, all transformed cards have a CMC of 0, but only WHILST they are transformed. For Cards without mana symbols, or a cost of 0, there's a circle next to the type line that shows the card's colors (Though the frames usually help with that too) so they are in fact dual colored whilst transformed. While they aren't transformed, they are monocolor (Or whatever color their casting cost is) but the COLOR IDENTITY of a transform card is the sum total of all colors on BOTH sides of the card. So the new grist is a G creature on the front, BG walker on the back, and BG for the purposes of color identity.
I don't know why but my decks feel so slow compared to others. I feel I do a good job building but for some reason I lose every time.
>>92543739>>92543743>>92543765>>92543800Thanks anons, good to know I can use the new Sorin as my Lifegain Commander
>>92543808this isnt really something anyone can comment on without context, it could be a deck mismatch or pure delusion
>>92543765I get proud when I can say this name effortlessly with the boys or at my LGS.
>>92543090If we're talking new-walkers, PROBABLY Vraska had it the worst?
>makes pure MTG kino in your path
>>92543479at this point im gonna have 4 sorins in my deck lmao
This thing is ridiculous
>played a somewhat shit stax avacyn deck>take seven turns to get avacyn>next turn lock the board with winds of abandon and winter orb>one opponent gets pissed and surrendersFair but also i took 7 turns to get avacyn and offered next to no resistance, and this is how I’m meant to win the game>play another game with a different deck>hit that guy once with Cosima out to exile 3 cards>gets annoyed again because he’s missing one of his 3 colours the entire game and one of the cards I exiled was Korean verge>tells me fucking with people’s lands is now how you make friends and it’s not fun>because of game memory from a winning play and me exiling 3 cards from a shit deckAnyway last night’s commander games at the LGS was fun
>>92535477Complete KOS commander. Unfun to play
>>92535629group hug bros unite
>>92535629I have never seen a group hug player that didn't make one specific person pop the fuck off and massacre the rest of the table quickly.
>>92536326The entire furry set
>>92535477I'll throw removal at this thing every single game. Wow, you Tormented for lethal. What a riveting game.
>>92535629i play a politics deck that ends up putting slight amounts of advantage on the field until it kills the last player left. it is fun because i play group hug for the starting part of the game, then i move into more politics type shit with wincons slowly dropping as time goes on. it is satisfying to win with that deck."oh, you are getting mana screwed? i will help you, dont worry"those players usually tend to be the ones who help you since you salvaged their game
Pauper is utter kino. Admit it.
>>92540748Are we pretending WOTC is in any way impeded by the RC and couldn't remove them at any point? The RC has 0 power over the format or WOTC.
>>92544415Based pauper enjoyer. My pod plays pauper with people who get kod early or between matches
Post cards worded like absolute shit.
>>92536326yes>>92536364>what you'd you do if faced with a Black MtG playerplay the game with him, because that means he actually exists and isn't the racist fantasy of some american cultural marxist
>>92544263A prison break is pretty bad, but I don't think you understand how utterly horrifying being buried alive is.
>>92544481
>>92541342Certain commanders are interchangable with others without a huge difference due to how similar they are. Some commanders do the same overall theme and strategy but do it differently.
>lose 2 cards of my 99>there clearly somewhere in my room because i havent even taken it to locals yetstop hiding
>>92542571I'd be a saga. The Tale of the shut in
*ruins your game*
Favorite group hug commanders? I wanna be a nice guy
>>92538003>few people are such raging bigots to sperg out on themThat's not because they accept them - it's because most nerds don't want to trigger a severely mentally ill psychopath in girl's clothes.
>>92544627Patrick Troughton
>>92544627Gay kings are a very common pick for group hug.
>>92544557More the lead-up to it for Vraska but fair. Who was buried alive?
>>92544617>RuinsYou saved me the trouble of casting it myself
>>92543003What about that enchantment man who just got a spark because....he needed to to follow elspeth or some shit?Or Samut who sparked because she had an orgasm from her patron God saying "good job"?
>>92544627>>92544658you could name the deck "Homofürsten", which is german for "Hugging friends"
>>92544617This is your own damn fault, you realize.
>>92544627Oprah gifts is funny as hell. If that one player is being a dick you can literally not give them shit and potentially have the whole table converge and obliterate himx
>>92544659Domri. It was a part of a coming of age ritual for his tribe.>>92544681Those two are incredibly lame, but not really pathetic.
>>92544760Hard to claim that those two aren't pathetic while claiming that Narset's was.
>>92544778I'd say it's pathetic because I don't recall that being a thing before them. People actually had to suffer trauma and near death. Not...get real happy about some shit/super saiyan power up
>>92544778I legitimately didn't even fucking know that those two sparked that way. I thought it had to be through trauma, and my initial question was hinged upon that assumption. A better wording of my question would be "Which walker had the most pathetic thing be traumatic enough to spark them?" Those two don't even count since they sparked cause of a plot contrivance.
>>92544796It's not specifically trauma as much as a incredibly strong emotional response. Pure joy can do that too, in a sense, though I imagine it's much rarer.
>>92544585Isn't this just the same exact card as Animate Dead but 1 extra mana and instant speed?
>>92544781My personal lamest one is Kaito, who just met a Kami that seemed to embody a piece of the Wanderer's spark or something and that just... Gave him a spark.
>>92544760Huh, didn't know that about Domri. Apparently Teyo was also buried alive but literally who cares about Teyo.
I like a bit of strategy with my decks but not something super complicated. Also enjoy red and black the most. Any recommendations for commanders?
>>92544945
>>92544830I think that's a retcon, but I guess it works. Incredibly lame though since I guess marketing didn't like the idea of having their marvel superhero characters showing weakness.>>92544926I legitimately can't remember who Teyo is.
>>92544991Only two characters have actually sparked from positive emotions that we know of (Basri and Samut) and they come from the shithole that is Amonkhet so they kinda deserve it. And it's not like they've ever actually DONE anything in story after Amonkhet (or at all in Basri's case) anyway.Also, this is Teyo. The random newbie walker from WAR who was mostly just there to be the audience surrogate so Greg Weisman didn't have to get EVERYBODY'S personality down (he didn't get most of their personalities down regardless but hey).
I was told moxfield has a cool proxy print feature and people keep complaining I keep showing up with the same four decks so I was going to print thisAny recommendations before I try it on Sunday? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7WbzKq2-6kGyk132SrwC7A
>>92545011He confirmed that Bolas is gay though while making Chandra straight so he has that on his legacy.
>>92543003Didn't ral spark because he found his husband cheating on him? Thats probably the most pathetic. Meanwhile urza didn't spark until he found out his brother, who he'd been at war with for decades, was manipulated and ultimately zombified by the equivalent of an interdimensional hive mind zombie plague, and then detonated a magical nuke on himself in order to destroy his brother and phyrexia.
>>92545549Ral had a horrible day and it culminated in him finding his boyfriend at the time cheating on him.
>>92545562I thought that wizards didn't like the limp wristed homosexual stereotype?
>>92545571I don't think him being gay really factored into that moment. He just goes through a shitty time working for Bolas, gets stabbed, comes home and see his boyfriend cheating on him and just kinda everything boils over.
Have we talked about how absolutely horrifying this is yet?
She's definitely the most broken commander of the set
>>92545562>ral had a really bad dayStill seems pretty pathetic compared to being publicly executed, buried alive, or committing suicide via nuke
>>92545607Somewhat, but the most horrific part is that you can't opt out of the draw, so you WILL kill yourself if you're not careful.
>>92545607I wanna build her but I have a question.Say you have Manabarbs out. Can you tap 5 into the X in respond to someone paying their mana on their main phase or not?
>>92545647...You know I'm just now realising we never learned how Jace actually really sparked, thinking on origin stories. I think it was implied to be the shock/trauma of realising Alhammaret was fucking with his memories, but the first we see that happening he's already sparked and doesn't know it yet but it's implied it happened a couple times before?
>>92545603If that wasn't the case then why do all the gay characters keep becoming villains, jobbers, or getting retconned? Even Ral proceeded to job to Tezzeret reinforcing the limp-wristed homo stereotype on him.
>>92545652You can't respond to someone activating mana abilities, but when they do it will put Manabarbs triggers on the stack. After those triggers go on the stack, you can use her ability to increase the damage those triggers will deal when they resolve.
>>92545685Chandra and Nissa was unretconned. Huatli and Saheeli don't really job ever. Ral's mostly not a full combatant so he tends to fail in direct conflict. Just how he is.
>>92545607
https://youtu.be/2KcFKj14cYo?si=W1bxo0L0rDCGt2ex
>>92545649It has to be exact, though. You just overpay and boardwipe and fuck your opponents. I didn't even consider her first ability at all, just paying x=4 or something and then picrel effects.
>>92545630>Person in my pod brought this deck>they play it all but the last 2 games>their gf takes the deck in plays it for the last 2Yeah and people want to meme about group hug or MLD causing 3 hour games. This shit was just the Stella player jerking off on a 30 minute turn every time it came to their turn. I'd rather get my lands wiped and then have 7 rounds of the table of people going "draw. pass." than sit there watching a Stella player jerk off on the table while someone else has to do a storm count for them. At least I get to draw and see new cards as we pass turns due to an armageddon.I usually am against being a dick and just browsing your phone, but I'm keeping my phone out against any Stella player. You want to play that masturbation-tier deck? I'm gonna watch youtube, then. The only fun thing to happen in those games was me getting to cast a permission denied against the stella player as a "fuck you."
>>92545705But it's permanent or player so just absolute fuck all your opponents with massive amounts of reusable noncombat damage.
>player steals my time walk by redirecting it>mfw my honest reaction to that
>>92545753sorry, time stretch*
>>92545753>>92545760So now your opponent plays a land, plays a mana dork, and attacks you on their extra turns
>>92545734She just doesnt feel very fitting for a casual environment. Goes off way too easily
>>92545734I wish spellslinging didn't need to chain together a million spells to win
>>92545797It's because the alternative is a wincon that basically reads "resolve 10-mana bomb" akin to Expropriate.
Just play prowess creatures
>>92545781Nope.
>>92545781They would have won the game off of that. Full board, plenty of cards in hand, in simic and two free turns prior to the table even coming back to their turn (so, 3 turns total since my turn was directly after theirs)They were winning if I didn't just fuck the board up. It never would have made it to someone elses turn. The only reason to not do it would be to prevent the game from going any longer and not "prolonging" the game. But I actually just asked the other players if they wanted me to do it or not.
>>92545753>>92545781Don't mind me, I'll be back next turn
>>92545753I misdirected time stretch to myself two games in a row, first with Narset's Reversal, then with Misdirect. It felt based.
>>92546371The same opponent cast the Time Stretch both games. Never cast that shit without counters to protect it.
>>92546380I had it on suspend :(
how many 2 mana rocks do you guys play with 4 mana commanders
>>92546646>1 Commander>35 Lands>10 Mana Rocks>10 Removal spells>10 Draw Spells>34 Deck theme cardsThis is a good starting place if you're not sure what to put in your deck
>>92547134>>92547134>>92547134New thread
>>92542717Full lust for ugin theme.
