Previously: >>92591223>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:https://mtgcommander.net/>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.http://www.tappedout.nethttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>how to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com/>TQ/prompt:How would you make Zo-Zu viable as a commander?
>>92608403peepee poopoo
>>92608403In mono-R? Play a bunch of 1-2-drop creatures/artifact destruction, damage multipliers, and land destruction (possibly including ones similar to Ghost Quarter where you can let everyone search) to incentivize re-playing lands and hating mana rocks.
Gay Bolas
>>92608425If I rolled up to the table with a The Prismatic Piper/The Prismatic Piper deck would you let me play?
>TQ
>>92608540only if its colorless
>>92608425He had a transition a while back
>>92608611Why would you do that to your opponents?
>>92608506>Has 20 tons of dick>Is a bottomWasted potential.
>>92608767Okay but take that and apply it to the weight of his ass.
>>92608403>TQI've actually made this deck before. The key is to get lucky and roll Staff of the Flame Magus or Zuran Orb to keep yourself alive when everything comes into play. I've been meaning to include Spectrum Sentinel as well, but I haven't gotten around to it.
>>92608848I fucking love Ron why did I have to take up magic at a point without soul WHY
should I start jamming mental misstep due to spree spells? they seem strong
>>92609043There's a good number of Spree cards that aren't cmc1 (Return the Favor). I wouldn't run it JUST for Spree but in high-power or cEDH there's already enough stuff you'd run it for.Honestly, overall Mental Misstep is a huge litmus test for tables since if it's regularly seeing enough value to be worth running, it means the powerlevel has kinda degenerated and pushed out all slow strategies.
>>92608611I run this in my colourless deck. Definitely a fun card.
Whats the opinion on Doctor Who cards?
>>92609254While I have no interest in the IP, I'd be lying if I said Cybermen Squadron didn't earn a permanent place in my Urza deck just because granting blanket Myriad is ridiculously fun. I do think that people who seethe over UB are probably a little bit silly, but at the same time I can also completely understand why people would wanna host pods without UB being legal because "My gandalf doubles the trigger of my [insert doctor who ETB effect because I didn't read many of those cards], which does [whatever] to my Optimus Prime" has to be cringe as fuck for some and completely shits on the unique part of Magic.
>>9260925414th Doctor is still terrible to build and I hate it
>>92609160yeah that's what I was afraid of
>>92609286Double the EtB with Clara. Use additional ability doublers to dig through your whole deck.Flicker him with cards like Ephemerate.Run Arcade Ganon because he counts as a Doctor which is really funny.Tutor Galifrey Stands and Obeka. Tutor Colossus Hammer and equip it using Puresteel Paladin.Get 12 upkeeps with Obeka with Galifrey Stands out. Your deck may have been total ass but now you got a goofy aaa win.
>>92609254>>92609278Mechanically unique and interesting designs with UB only printings is absolute dogshit and I hate it on principle, every uncommon and up should have a non-ub analog
>>92609308>>Run Arcade Ganon because he counts as a Doctor which is really funny.That's pretty funny but damn there really isn't a good way of building him is there?
Anyone try running Clara and The War Doctor?
>>92609341Reminds me of how the Stranger Things cards had nonUB versions, it'd be nice if they did that for all UB materials so people could maintain a general flavor without having to resort to stuff like that. Would ditch Cybermen Squadron for whatever reflavor they went with. Wernog was a staple annoying card draw in my Orzhov flicker deck before I upgraded it a bit.
>Bought the Grand Larceny precon yesterday >Thought about it>Favorite color combination is Sultai>Least favorite is Boros, which is every color that Sultai isn’t It this relationship between favorite and least favorite color combinations normal for everyone or is it just me?
>>92609429Is*
>>92609429>think about it>favorite colors are Esper>least favorite is Grixis>second least favorite is Gruulclose enough, honestly. What do you dislike about Boros anyway?
>>92609446Extra turn spells and ramping are among my favorite things in the game, and black has some interesting stuff on its own, like the vast amount of tutors and the ability to pay life to pop off things. Red and white, although they have some good cards like removal and protection (W) and dealing damage (R), aren’t as interesting to me.
>>92609429Not quite but close.My favorite is sultai while my least-favorite is azorius. I don't hate red or boros nearly enough that it's really a competition. Slightly biased though by how my follow-ups are temur and grixis.
>>92609480I can understand that, blue and black manipulate the game in a lot of ways where Red and White, while versatile in their own ways, look like they mostly punch things in the face. That's actually what kept me away from red for a long time in general.
>>92609446White Green is the most boring combination. Either tokens or enchantress. Do these colors without a 3rd do anything besides tokens or enchantress? By this logic I should be in Grixis.
>>92609633White/Green remains one of the only color combos I just can't build a deck around because I just don't really care about it. I love tokens but I can't make myself get invested in a Selesnya deck. Do it, go into Grixis and do whatever it is they do
>>92609633They can do +1/+1 counters too
>>92609429not quite>love me abzan, naya, jund, anything gruul really>hate selesnyatwo of my beloved decks are Karador and Samut, Voice of Dissent, both have selesnya but do very little with these colors.everytime i look up slesnya commanders i fall asleep
>>92609656and leave you wondering "why the fuck am I not playing simic instead" all the way
>>92609676you asked what they could do, not whether they were good at it
>It's another episode of "voja player loses his shit after I blow up his board full of elves right before he has a chance to cast voja with haste"What the fuck do voja players expect? Red pill me on the phenomenon of playing voja and expecting to get away with it.
>>92609689ward 3 brainwashed them into being invincible
>>92609689>Red pill me on the phenomenon of playing voja and expecting to get away with it.Same reason people expect to get away with any win condition commander
>>92609698or just any high threat commander in generalstill not entirely use how ur-dragon players expect him to last more than 5 seconds if rushed out
warning, shameless blog post: I quit Magic. haven’t told my group yet. multiplayer competitive games bring out the worst in people and makes every hangout unfun. I don’t want to deal with it.
>>92609863*trigger warning
>>92609718Ur-Dragon isn't even a good card to turbo out which is weird. He could have hexproof and still wouldn't be worth 9 cmc domain.
>>92609863Then why are you here?
>>92608403>Build a new deck>Get the actual nut draw in my first game with it>All my friends accuse me of building decks that are too strongGuys I promise my obeka deck isn't supposed to do that (that quickly) but I couldn't mull away a turn 3 court of cunning+obeka upkeeps
>>92609968Welcome to the Narset Zone
>>92609863If your playgroup makes it not fun to play, then it can't really be helped unless you want to seek out another. I had a friend leave our friend group for 2 months after an argument over the card Ice Over being used on his Commander.
>>92609930just to vent. I’m not gonna tell them that they’re the real reason I’m quitting.
>>92610033that’s EXACTLY what I’m talking about. people get so fucking pissy over being targeted. I’m literally afraid to interact with certain people who like to verbally lash out at people over ANY form of interaction. what the fuck can I do? use only decks without any interaction? I think I’ll find the same problem no matter what playgroup I join because no one likes to lose or be singled out in a game with multiple opponents.
>>92610033For context. It's a blue common.>>92610112I can understand a little bit of frustration, and maybe some shit talk since we all do it when we're getting targeted but there comes a point where it just genuinely starts to shit up the game. I even get it if someone casts it and you try to negotiate them to hold off or not do that, maybe even suggest alternate targets, but the moment it turns into biting insults it loses the plot of the game. Commander takes fucking forever if you're not running some 5 turn win deck (so most casual games) and it isn't worth it if everyone walks away upset at the end. For the story>Playing match with friends>Using $50 Hylda ice-theme tap deck I made>other decks are Pako/Haldan, Glunch, and Intet>Intet draws a little dead so he's slow-going>Glunch is glunch who cares>Pako gets out the dog fast and swings, gets 3 +1/+1 counters on the first shot>my turn rolls around>Cast Ice Over on Pako>he literally has 0 answers to this>he's growing agitated as each turn turns into nothing and he constantly whines about not having anything to do>eventually draws a card to return target permanent to owners library>uses it on ice over>next turn is my turn>cast ice over>he scoops after 3-5 turns of only having had Pako tapped>tells me I'm being an asshole and ruining his deck and fun>tell him he's in green and if he didn't run a single removal spell for an enchantment, that's on him and not me>game slowly peters out as we realize that was the most awkward shitThis doesn't even really address a previous instance where he was using an angel deck (Avacyn) and anytime Avacyn is removed he just quit. "You're not letting me play the game" gets flung around, and when suggesting running his own removal he called it "Not letting others play the game". We haven't played MTG since and honestly I'm probably gonna go to my LGS instead to try and use all the fucking decks gathering dust in my room.
>>92610179why do you have a trip exactly?
My friends are looking for new board games or such to play and I want to suggest EDH.If they agree, the plan is to buy a 1000-2000 bulk card lot on eBay and fuck around with various builds.None of them have ever played MTG before.How feasible is this? Is there an easier way of introducing them to MTG, e.g. using some kind of phone app as your deck/battlefield tracker?
>>92610261>why does the tripfag have a dick in his mouthIt’s his nature anon.
>>92610261I use it in so many threads it's just what I do now. It's also easier for me to find conversations I want to reference in archives if I talk about it to someone else or want to quote something important.>>92610368this also>>92610364I'd recommend grabbing some of the really cheap starter decks and 2-3 of the 20 dollar 1000 card junkboxes of commons some stores sell. You're not gonna get anything stellar and you'll be lucky if you find any actual upgrades, but it should provide a nice base if you separate them into their colors/artifacts etc and let people play their new decks, then see if they wanna try other stuff. As for decks I mean the really cheap shitty ones, nothing like Zhulodok or the like.
>>92610364This is like introducing someone to crack
>>92610364bulk cards is a great starter to the game, kitchen table magic with assorted junk cards is a blast for the inexperienced and learning
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>92610364Proxy
>>92609308But Fourteenth Doctor doesn't have an ETB trigger.
>>92609429I really like Jund and Abzan, but I Sultai I don't. I don't even know why, but none of my Sultai decks stay built.
>>92610633gross kill yourself
>>92610179>player is having bad draws and locked out of doing anything>finally does something>gets immediately targeted with the same thingWas he a dick? Maybe. You were kind of a dick too by locking his shit up again when he clearly wasn’t having a good time. Ultimately it comes down to something as simple as>is a tripfag>is retardedtale as old as time
hoy, I traded this and only now noticed the weird surface that I've never seen before on any other card. is this legit? the grainless spots are not pitch black so they still glisten like a regular foil. there is just this weird layer everywhere else
>>92610364don't sleep on mtg arena. it might be mostly garbage but the tutorial is a solid way to teach someone the basics. send them the link so they can get a grasp of what the game's like for $0
>>92610380>>92610505I'll check out some cheap premades.>>92610633That would imply knowing what you want to build.>>92610772That's how I got introduced to MTG. Definitely the best way to check if they like the game at all or not.
I didn't realize how bs her removal ability is until I saw her in the 99 of a life gain deck.Was like having a gun pointed at anything that could become a threat
>>92610179that’s exactly the kind of a shitty situation I find myself in except certain people in my old group fucking snap over the smallest things>use spell that targets someone’s card>person lashes out and throws a hissy fit>third member tries to calm her down>my card doesn’t even do anything to her (not a kill or damage spell)happened more than once. there was also a time when I needed to attack with zombies to activate my commander’s effect and again, hissy fit followed by third friend trying to calm her down. I hate playing with women (she’s the biggest offender) but shes my friend’s wife; I’ve been friends with him since elementary school. I just have to smile and pretend nothings wrong or lose my life-long friends.
>>92610364I've bought all 40k decks and never changed anything just to be a cool board game, you can do the same for other sets too.
>>92610364I would buy some premade pauper decks instead of bulk, you’re more likely to get playable decks out of it and have a good time. You can mix all the cards up still if deck building and chaos drafting is your thing.
has anyone done mono u merfolk before? made it work? I've wanted to build one forever and the new spoiler was definitely asign
>>92610650It's still a triggered ability that clara and other generic doublers like roaming throne can hit.
>Tripfags and squirrelfagsAlright I'm off to /mtg/
>>92610364Just buy the 5 person box set. It's five 60-card monocolor decks. Each deck also has a "commander".
How do I make her work? Just jam the deck full of edicts, evasion, and reanimate effects?
>>92610750Sounds right>>92610813man that fucking blows, I seriously recommend either skipping out on your group and moving to an LGS-centered gameplan or as you were gonna quit, I seriously doubt you're gonna be able to tell the other guy that his wife is a bitch lmao
>>92611049she’s not a terrible person; she’s just way too competitive. I’m not gonna sell my cards but I definitely won’t play with that playgroup again.
>>92611035All that and mono b ramp yeah. Torment of hailfire as a finisher or commander damage, she's a 3 turn clock with commander plate on.I converted my tergrid to her for obv reasons.But I still think she's a little slow and has to stick around for any real use so I'm considering spreading colors to either golgari or jund with savra, vaevictis or pic
>>92611054Good luck in finding a playgroup you have fun with, man
>>92611172thank you
you have seen nothing until one starts sperging over swiftfoot boots or get this. swinging for 4 dmg at the mid game
>>92610899Roaming Throne only applies to permanents, not spells.
Hazbros hows your mana base? I run 17 deserts, most of them enter tapped or taps for colourless. I run bounchlands cuz im on a budget and I like the ideá of playing deserts again for more tokens. I run some basics for ramping. But I feel like most of the lands enter tapped and the deck is very slow in the beggining.
>>92610764Probably. I have two foils of Oracle of Mul Daya with this art and they look entirely different.
>>92611256a slow start is not necessarily a bad thing. build your board and let someone else become the problem first
>>92611286Cool landfall commanders? Specifically to do the dumb Lotus cobra, bouncelands, extra land drops, and this or Amulet of vigor combo
>>92611256There's options for making taplands work. This or spelunking are a much more affordable alternatives to Amulet of Vigor
i was playing rakdos and casted this guy for x = 20 or something. We all were below 20 and decided it was just a multikill-draw.Is that right or does APNP shenanigans result in someone winning?
>>92611312I play Soul of Windgrace and I also have a deck with Borborygmos and Fblthp and it's a more alternative style thing.
>>92611286>>92611319I run both of these. Spelunking has been doing work.
>>92611339It's a draw. People die immediately as a SBA, not counting loss conditions like Transcendence.
>>92611312im not the biggest fan of landfall, i am scarred from one player in my group constantly bringing out Avenger of Zendikar in random decks, which just made my eyes roll everytime - not hard to interact with but annoying to resolve. Landfall just seems super durdly and takes a lot of game action, while also becoming a threat really fast.Lands commanders however, ive had a Titania, Protector of Argoth list since a long time, but never bought her. She seems like a nice risk/reward option. Same with Soul of Windgrace, built but never bought. He has super cool lines of play and works good with Orcish Lumberjack, my favorite ramp spell ever.Also Noyan Dar, Roil shaper, very uniqe, non-green Lands-Matters commander, that animates lands
>>92611339Correct. Damage doesn't use the stack, APNP is irrelevant
Better TQ/PromptPost your fave commander and have people roast it. Mines Chatterfang
>>92611476>Post your fave commander and have people roast it. Mines ChatterfangI love this. alright. all CF decks are the same and made for people who don't know how to build decks. here's my baby XANTCHA. be nice to me
>>92611521dies to the pod being ungovernable, and probably filled with nasty scam but props, a cool 'manderHeres mine
>>92611521Nice commander. She pleases old men for knowledge.
>>92611476Here he is: Urza fits perfectly into the niche I like and is also my favorite character in mtg lore/books. >Affinity>Creates tokens>Blanket artifact creature buff It's like he was designed for me, as I started back when Mirrodin dropped and grew super attached to Artifacts.
is there a piece of art that you love that got wasted on an unplayable card?if this art was used on a legendary creature then it would've been perfect for my foot-fetish commander deck
>>92611751I'm not even an angelfag but it's a shame how shit she is.
>>92611598what's your list? I built him after getting the precon and I've had a hard time making him fast enough to be impactful
>>92611476I just like saying her name desu
>>92611779She is Rocco, but worse
>>92611769https://www.archidekt.com/decks/3341558/urzas_factorySo I've got some general things I should say about this deck. The general intent is to create Construct tokens or copy ETB-valuable Artifacts generally speaking. I threw it together with what I own with paper and have been ironing it out for a while, and I legit have no idea how strong it actually is or how reliable it is as I haven't taken it to my LGS yet. In lower, more gimmick power level I either draw dead or steamroll my friends so I try not to use it as to not fuck up the pace of our games.
>>92611866>I threw it together>$2000
>>92611866what the fuck am I looking at? this deck is all over the place. I can't even tell what the wincon is and half of your pieces have nothing to do with your commander at allif you just wanted to build artifact goodstuff why not play breya?
>>92611831she costs 1 mana and has titties
>>92611583Your commander is so unbearably forgettable that I got into the game during Amonkhet and had no idea it had anything other than Haste, let alone Double Strike and a W ability.Posting another Naya commander, the superior Rocco.
>>92611476Its this mad lad for me. Inb4 folds to pithing needle. >>92611521Spicy.>>92611583Tough luck on the art but love me some keyword soup.>>92611598Discounts on command tax are always top tier. >>92611779Let 'em cook.
>>92611866>builds esper urza because he wants to attack with artifact creatures>puts in atherflux/citadel combo and tutors anyway>still runs shitty on-flavor counterspells instead of real onesholy shit you are cancer
>>92612015>shitty combo deckcringe>gruulbasedyou average out to 0
>>92612015Man couldn't stand only being allowed to have 1 copy of Bolt per deck and decided to force it to work for 8 mana instead of playing a different format. Gruul is based though, now have the balls to actually run the guild instead of the colors.
>>92612011>tutor in the command zone0/10>>92611831how did wotc fuck up the art direction so bad that they can't keep a guy consistent between the TWO cards he appears on?
>>92612059Tsabo Tavoc is awesome, fuck everyone else's commanders
>>92611964Breya's my white whale, I can't ever narrow down the idea enough with the addition of red to make it work. Pretty much the whole deck is just >Jam thing on field>it does thing>copy it and make it do more thingsUrza is the Commander because of my options for Esper artifact commanders, he's both my favorite character and gives me tokens on his own. It's a total mess design-wise, and 90% of the time when I win it's because I fish out Cybermen Squadron and go in hard with the Constructs or get off the BolasFlux combo. I just like to make the big artifact ETB happen.>>92612015>Discounts on command tax are always top tier.based>Borbo but angryJust seeing the words "discard a land card" in gruul puts me into a state of panic. This is a large and scary man.>>92612021it is definitely a certain kind of vibe using this>>92612059>fucking Tsabo TavocI hate this bitch on principle from the books I remember reading, but holy shit I can't roast such a classic feeling card. Based choice.
>>92612011>yea lemme get uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh.....>.... the exact shit as last time, the time before that and all times to comeyea, samut is just not seen anymore, but that haste enabler in the command zone makes me moist
The Lion does not concern himself with the opinion of the sheep
>>92612035>>92612059Something about a grip full of lands and holding a player or two hostage does is for me. surprisingly, I've never successfully pulled the keen sense combo off (though not for lack of trying). Most wins come by simply mass bolting and using effects like pic rel.
>>92611476Chatterfang - tribal is tribal, no matter how "quirky" you think squirrels are. 1/5>>92611521Xantcha - this card is cool as hell, nothing to roast - 4/5>>92611583Samut - would be cooler without the tacked on white pip in the text box - 3/5>>92611598Urza - Affinity is cool, Karnstructs are cool. - 4/5>>92611779Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar - 2/5>>92611831Rocco - Food is cool, group hug is cool - 4/5>>92612011Other Rocco - tutors are lame, you're lame - 0/5>>92612015Borby Enraged - I've played against this deck and don't like it - 1/5>>92612059Tsabo Tavoc - holy fucking based - 5/5>>92612100Council of Four - holy fucking cringe - 0/5
Anyone got cool suggestions for a nice battlecruiser-y Vehicle deck? i have Greasefang, but reanimation-loops of the same exakt vehicle gets dull super fast, and shorikai is often enough in our pod
>>92611751Damn it really is bad. I hadn't even heard of this one before
Why would hasbro let me clone a legendary creature letting the original die due to the legend rule only to recur it back to my hand and abuse grandeur in a singleton format are they stupid?
>>92612282Kykar is my go-to vehicle commander. Getting a driver for every car you cast is pretty nice and being able to use those drivers to cast even more cars is based.
>>92611476Flipping morphs, Quirion Ranger mvp, going nuclear on people's wraths with Natural Affinity.
>>92612314i should consider him, i had a kykar eggs deck and turns took so long i never touched him again.i have a lot of generic jeskai artifact synergies lying around anyways
>guy buys a booster box>gets everything he wants>I buy a collector box because I really want obeka and sword>get 3 grand abolishers, old oko, some dumbass red bird>look at collection value from when I pulled compared to today
>>92608540No because you can only use one of them at a time
>>92612351buy the singles you want, you fucking retard
I'm just excited we're finally getting something cool like the Avengers set. Can't wait to get Captain America as a female nigger.
>>92612394you're joking, but the current captain america in the MCU is a black guy
>>92611476Lin Shitty is one of my favorites. Combo in mono white is peak.>ChatterfangI know like 3 people who play Chatterfang and they all have the same net decked deck. It's shit and boring. Bloomburrow will have better Squirrel commanders. 1/7>>92611521Xantcha is cool, love me some Rakdos burn. 6/7>>92611583>Naya as an ability>Ugly as sinThe only cool thing about this card is the ability and flash in Naya. 3/7>>92611598This guy is actually fun to play against. 5/7>>92611779Love me some Rakdos madness, deducting one point because of the silly reason you like her 5/7
>>92612400see? we're already half-way there
>>92612298Prismari had a theme of “5cmc or higher” for presumably draft reasons
>>92611476She's cute, I like vampires, and overall she's really fun to play, I finally got a 1 shot kill and domed someone for 25 commander damage, but this is the one deck I can play 4-5 times a night and not get tired of itAnd I know tribal is easy to build but I've been having fun finding random vampires that are obscure and various life gain cards
>>92612389>>92612389I fucking hate how soulless Wubrg commanders are.
>>92611751kill yourself footfag
>>92611751Okay I'll bite. Post decklist
>>92611980Much like how big tits don't count if she's fat, that haircut basically cancels out any positive from tits as well
>>92612100Why is there an old man in drag on this card?
>>92612389It's another wubrg commander
>>92612484I haven't built it yet unfortunately, do you have any includes?
>>92611751I'd tell you how fucking vile you are, but you'd probably get off on that too
>>92612539cope and seethe
>>92612389I mean a more interesting question is why did Ulamog and Kozilek get fused. I mean is this set even canon?
>>92611476Squirrelfag giving the thread a good question
>>92612447The art is soooooo fucking cute when you ignore that neck
>>92612680Giraffe girls are cute
>>92612389Have we gotten any of the energy cards leaked yet?
>>92611476>fuck super aggro just build it like a deck that can run without her>limit bombs and have a real mana curve>cut all "when x attacks" cards in favor for etbs, activated abilities, and passivesIt's just fun
If the anon that was interested in my Bonny deck is still here, here's my list: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/yvpkLscmCEmL4cnM9TwiFQ
>>92612804At that point why are you even fucking running Kaalia at the head? Kaalia’s one of those commanders where peopl, upon seeing her, immediately assume what type of deck it is (namely cause usually the assumption is correct) and tend to focus in on it given how she can easily run away with a game if she untaps once. Literally any other mardu commander would lack this issue and you’d be able to play what seems like generic mardu without starting the game with a giant target on your head
>>92612838why would you play this over the 30 other simic landfall commanders?
>>92611476
>>92612851Because I like it. It's one of the few cards these days that let you return lands untapped.
>>92612851I have a crippling giantess fetish
>>92612723I agree
>>92612548Ulamog, Kozilek, and Emrakul were part of a mechanism. Ulamog destroys, Kozilek converts the rubble into raw materials, Emrakul reforms the materials into new planes. Without that balance, the other two become lopsided. Emmy got sent to moon jail so now the other two are likely fucking about in the blind eternities breaking shit.
>>92612841Because every deck should assume their telegraphed value card can and will get negated. Anyone making build decisions assuming otherwise deserves to crumple to a well timed StP
>>92612534
>>92612892So do I, but you can at least have some fucking standards.
>>92612892>>92612962Why do Giantessfags like feet/vore so much?
>>92612548MH sets are timeline agnostic but at least presumably canon. Ulalek could be anything from "long ago Ulamog and Kozilek were one being" (technically the implication seems to be that ALL the Eldrazi are functionally one being on a very meta level actually) to "their remnant essence post defeat eventually coalesced into a new titan somewhere else in the Multiverse".
>>92612895That's actually never REALLY been confirmed in lore that that's what the Eldrazi are for. It's been inferred out of universe, but nobody in-universe, even Ugin, truly knows what they're for. The only really knowable things about the Eldrazi is that they come from the Blind Eternities and are on SOME level intelligent, or at least Emrakul is.
Debating between trying to build this bitch, a new theft deck, or tasunari
>>92611270yeah I googled around and saw similiar patterns on eched versions
>>92613079Enchantress decks with green are pretty boring brot. has built shrines
>>92612892best possible answer
>>92613079why build Zethi when you can build OG Waifu?
>>92613202Either way, is it fun to play
>>92613079Why the fuck would a dual-wielding sword master have several scrolls and books attached to them via dangling BDSM gear?
>>92613045Nothing's ever confirmed in lore given how little alignment there is between cards and stories on top of how frequently things are retconned. Remember when the hedrons were eldrazi tech?
>>92613240She's magic
>>92612984As one, can't say I know. My best guess is that they're subs with hungry skeletons, but they can't suspend their disbelief to the idea of being overpowered or humiliated by a normal-sized woman shortstack, so they go the opposite direction and pine for a supernaturally massive woman beyond their capacity to resist. I however have enough self-respect to hate the rampant "tall woman = massive bitch" trope and prefer the fantasy that giant waifu is a big kind lady that gives soft hugs and I can keep such a lady happy and satisfied, occasionally with the power fantasy of domming a lady multiple times my size.
>>92611476tasteless if it has infinites, ok if it's token swarm aiming to win through combat
got her precon on clearance sale. what am I in for?
>>92613225No. Azorius spellslinger isn't enough of an archetype. I built her because I have a thing for Chun-Li but took it apart because the gameplay wasn't greatunfortunately your best wincons are gimmicks like Approach of the 2nd sun or looping Teferi's Protection
>>92613450it's boros, but with goad
>>92613450horrible manabase
>>92613430attaching a scroll via leather cuffs and a long chain to your belt is not "magic" - the commonly accepted and objectively correct description for something like this is "retarded".
>>92613482>Azorius spellslinger isn’t enough of an archetypeNigga wat?
This is what happens when a $3 card is printed rarer than mythic. Glad I got the Big Score singles I wanted early
>>92613432I didn't even originally realize that she's a giant, I just thought that she's a stronk human. I even thought that the ox was an illusion as a creature type. I'm the anon who's deck it is and I don't have any particular preference in height, I like short girls and I like tall girls. I also like average height girls.All I care about a woman is a pretty face, everything else is a bonus.
>>92613523I said what I said. There aren't enough payoffs in Azorius for spellslinger strategies. You're basically limited to brainfreeze or aetherflux, and that's it. Otherwise you're just drawing cards and being annoying, which is fun sure, but doesn't win games.
>>92613576no way mono white show and tell is expensive?!
>>92612448It’s why I don’t want to turn my Dihada deck into a Jodah one, or build Esika
>>92613588>real people on magic cardsfucking gross, I'd much prefer fictional yellow women
>>92609429>favorite is jeskai>least favorite is golgariyeah I think so, I also dont really like azorius too much but an extra color makes it fun, even bant or esper
>>92613576I bought Vaultborn Tyrant and Generous Plunderer today. At prerelease, I got Pest Control, Memory Vessel and Esoteric Duplicator, and I bought Legion Extruder then also.My wife got Bristlebud Farmer and Greed's Gambit. I sort of want Ancient Cornucopia and Sword of Wealth and Power, but I haven't really been excited about BIG. I have no idea why Lotus Ring is so expensive and Loot is fucking garbage too. Even most of the stuff we got was terrible. Greed's Gambit is fucking awful.
>>92613640Sorry anon, that ship has sailed.
>>92609429>favorite color combination is izzet>least favorite is simicnobody hates blue players more than blue players
>>92612410I love Lin-Sivvi but Rebels want multiple colors so I just can't bring myself to build her mono-W. But my 5c rebels deck is maybe my most fun deck.
>>92612447I play her with Lurrus, the Orzhov companion. It feels good to cast whatever you've explored.
>>92613677that's Da Vinci as he appears in the video game series Assassin's Creed...you know Assassin's Creed isn't real, right?
>>92613640>>real people on magic cardsold news
>>92613711Voidmage Prodigy isn't a real personunless you think Johnny Cage from MK is a real person since his sprite was digitized from footage of an actor
>>92613677What's with the second ability? That's a lot of ifs and it boils down to the retardation of "pls no instant speed grave hate"
>>92613595Depends on the level of competitiveness. Can also win with commander damage or Talrand-type board presence. Those "annoying" cards most certainly can win you games if your tempo is higher than your opponents.
>>92613722>>92613699I kind of feel confused to which of these would be correct sentiment. In one hand, Leonardo Da Vinci was a real person, however, the Assassins Creed one isn't probably anything like he was and on the other hand we have a card where the card has a real person, but it named in a fantasy sense.
>>92613482How often do you guys downgrade a card for a more kino or booba alternative?
>>92613295Yeah that was odd. Like the Hedrons are powerful but they're nothing 'special' in that way. They're just fancy stones made by an oldwalker.
>>92613792Make zero compromises.
>>92613792depends on how kino or how booba, do you have an example?
>>92613776I mean, Magic's already had 'fictionalised versions of real historical people' on cards before.
>>92613753I've never seen anyone actually win a game with Talrand tokens. Even against precons it's a shitty strategysure you could try to go for commander damage but Chun-Li has zero evasion and a non-threatening statline, so you have to work much harder for it and even then she's pretty easy to disrupt. You'd end up having to spend 10+ mana to kill one person and do that 3 times without being disrupted.
>>92613819I am aware. I have Cao Cao and I have a deck with Xiahou Dun at the helm. Still, those were sort of special cases, much like all of Arabian Nights. That is until now when WotC is making crossovers featuring real people again.
>>92613792I'm a simple man. I like fat tits in my hand. I proxy every card which I play if a coomer edit is available. They are low key enough that my friends havent noticed them yet.
>>92613812Edgar is lucky to be Olivia's slave
>>92613812>bit tits AND futacock
>>92613640I had to use a few real people because there weren't enough monsters
So assuming this is real. If you cast this for it's evoke cost would Zhulodok still see it as a 7 cmc for his cascade effect?
>>92613998The mana value of a card is equal to what is printed (or what it's cast at in the case of x spells), not what you end up paying
>>92613722it's literally this guy
>>92613699>that's [real person] as he appears in the video game series [game]>...you know [game] isn't real, right?
How do I overcome my analysis paralysis when cutting cards in favor of new ones? I have a really hard time selecting cards to cut often resulting in not putting in anything new... Do you have any tips?
>>92613998Alternate costs don't change the mana value of a spell
>>92613640
>>92614085something something consider the card at all stages of the game. the more it covers the better. Go for the lesser CmC card, favor instant vs sorceries.Ultimately, get both cards for a given slot and just playtest and play a few games, and decide from there. some cards read better than they actually playt.takes me hours to get down from 105 to 100 so idk man
So Eldrazi turns are gonna be a nightmare and take forever now right?
>>92614054It's a fictional wizard drawn to look like himagain, unless you think Johnny Cage is literally this guy
>>92614189Good thing whoever this is depicting is fictional and is no way related to a real person.
>>92614075yes, Hitler from persona is not literally Hitler
>>92614208you're really having a tough time with thisyes, the character depicted on "presence of the master" is fictional
>>92614240That's Albert Einstein as he appears in the card game series Magic the Gathering...You know Magic the Gathering isn't real, right?
>>92614085here's for what I check, in no particular order:>'cute' cards (we don't do cute here, especially when optimizing)>do the land+ramp+draw formula to se if I should cut (or add) a land>sorceries (slow and expensive, fuck them)>redundancy (cut one of the one million wincons)>mana curve (cut one of the one million 7cmc cards)make notes of what you changed, play the deck and see how it works. if you missed the cards you took out earlier, switch something else out and play again. that said, I never bring the same deck to a game night twice because I'm always changing them based on my experiences I made last week.
>>92614262it's a fictional wizard that certainly resembles albert einsteinand yes, unlike some people apparently I am able to separate real life from fictional card games
>>92614219while you are right, a lot of people will disagree with you there.
>>92614294who would've guessed that people so invested in a card game that they post about it anonymously in their free time might have some developmental issues
>>92614304I'm not talking about people who are invested in a card game.
>>92614291>"You know Magic the Gathering isn't real, right?">"Yes, unlike some people apparently I am able to separate real life from fictional card games"
>>92614365>has images of smug children saved on his computerishygddt
>>92611583Does Flash allow you to get your commander out on another player's turn?
>>92614382are you retarded?
>>92612059I'm guessing the "regenerated" part doesn't apply to just paying the commander tax and bringing it out again, right? Even so, two mana to kill a commander is wild.
>>92614380>smug childrenAnon that is just a character from anime.You do know anime isn't real, right?
Cancer
KUYASHII>KUYASHIIKUYASHII>KUYASHIIKUYASHII>KUYASHII
>>92614187>kindredBarf
>>92614434>>92614437Spicy, straight into Kamiz ninjas
>>92614434Oh hey, this would go really great with Eris.
>>92614466Amazing how they only leak shit to people who haven't gotten a camera from this century.
>>92614187"We refuse to do tribal/typal/kindred as its not good for design space and-"Makes it happen for eldrazi anyway
>>92614493They named the storm scale after storm and then brought that back anyway.
>>92614518At this point they are very likely scrambling for any method to make a card appealing to the general market. As while their previous documentation states that certain things were not good for design, those extensive files also don't bring in sales.
>>92613699sure, thing da vinci. just like how mozart is not alive and well right fucking now
Vtuber secret lair when? Come on mr. Marketer you know itll sell like hotcakes
>>92614564I'm not
>>92614493They never said that. They said it's been depreciated from the game but Horizons sets may sometimes do it because of their Time Spiral style gimmick. (And of course if something really demands it for some reason they could use it. )
>>92611476>How many levels of autism are you on?>"I built endrek Sahr for PreDH"T- Myself
>>92614187HAHA YEAH DOUBLING EVERY SET YEA YEA YEAH I LOVE DOUBLING DOUBLE DOUBLE YEEEE HAAAAAWDOUBLING IS SO GOOD DESIGN TO HAVE AND EVERY DECK TYPE SHOULD HAVE THE EFFECT ALWAYS AND MORE YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>92614493>>92614518speaking of designspace, is this onslaught of "do things twice" shit we gotten lately 'good' designspace? its just so incredibly vanilla and generically good, it has absolutely no flavour.fuck, i hate for-commander designs, especially if they de-singleton it so much in the process with shit like this
>>92614578Bushiroad already has the rights for that kinda stuff
>>92613902She's the full package. Shame she didn't keep it in the new one
>>92614424Okay, that's funny.
>>92614578I've said it before, I'll say it again, if Wizards ever did that, they'd crossover with Niji EN
>>92614479Just realized that all of these decks, bar one, are a love letter to the Modern format... which makes it all the more depressing that they aren't Modern decks! Eldrazi Winter, goyf tribal--it's all there, just make a pack of really fun kitchen table modern decks a la Game Night and let us build the commander decks if we want
>>92612389>do thing twice>TWICEWHY DO THEY KEEP DOING IT?
>>92612157I had a guy play Phyrexian Processor and drop himself down to 15 while I had Borborygmos out. Never grinned so hard in my life
>>92614466Well that's a reference I would have never expected.
>>92614588But thats nonsense speak from people like Rosewater. Like if they want to cater to zombies, for example, printing the billionth zombie creature isn't going to drum up sales, but a kindred zombie card will because that is not necessairly competing for the same deckspace. Like why are we getting instants and sorceries and enchantments with eldrazi type? Because the face card for the eldrazi deck cares about that type whenever a spell with that type is cast. They could certainly do this same design space for any creature type.>>92614597Yeah its basically the +1/+1 counters or lifegain or scry of redundancy. As its all part of their plan for>Hey we know you players like when you get free shit, so what if we created a card that makes you get even more free shit.
>>92614641Good thing I can now copy my roaming throne thank god, having that and Annie joins up wasn't enough for the precon
>>92614424Not really good for blink decks like Mulldrifter is, but this one becomes a serious threat if you can get it to stick around
>>92613848Sincere question: if someone held a gun to your head and demanded you build an Azorius draw-go control deck, how would you build it? What wincons would you use?
>>92614706Make sure you have doubling season for the token copy of throne
>>92614728I get that you’re doing a bit, but a copied spell becoming a token doesn’t count as creating a token for things like Doubling Season
I removed all my delve and aftermath cards from Yuriko, can't wait to see how it plays later at a casual level
>>92614768i'd say Hidetsugu and Kairi are casual Yuriko
What are the most fun commanders for a steal things deck
>>92614808i play Codie, Vociferous Codex like this. its pretty casual, i clone things and sometimes steal them, Reigns of Power has won me the games a few times. There are quite a few removal s pells that grant you tokens as well, so you dont get swarmed while you ramp for the bigger steal spells.I also run Inevitable Betrayal and various copy spells, and some 1 mana spells to hit it with codies ability. But i also run Ancestral Recall and Profane Tutor so i dont have a guaranteed Betrayal Hit every time and dont do the same shit every time.
>>92614641easiest thing to design. everything gets one so it's always a free slot
>>92614741Why not?
>>92614857You are not "creating" a token, the copied spell becomes a token as it resolvesYes, it's retardedNo, WotC won't change that ruling
>>92614808One anon has a partner deck that exists for value and the rest of the cards in the deck are ramp, dorks, and steal cards
>>92614849Easy=/=PrudentThis shit is so boring. I was thinking about picking up the precon until I saw it’s just another panharmonicon
Whats a fun combat tricks commander? One that baits opponents into shit trades during combat or surprise buffing creatures.
>>92614857"create" is like "target" in that all cards that create tokens will say "create" on them, otherwise the token wasn't created, it just comes into existence
>>92614927Xyris or that Dr. Who Selesnya army guy, both draw cards equal to their power on combat damage so you can keep a stock of combat tricks.
>>92614902sorry, meant to sayeasiest thing to "design"you really think wotc has cared in years? goys are gonna consume their slop and quality will decrease
>>92614927unfortunately, combat tricks are shit in commander and have long been ignored by wotc, so the card pool is way behind the power curve of actually supported gameplans. Precons don't even run combat tricks anymore.
>>92613450Man, I can never find precons on clearance
>>92614965some of the new spree cards are pretty good. especially train heist and smug surprise
>>92614612Should of kept it as a running gag for the artists
>>92614708Seems like a good card to add into the blue/black Karlov Precon
>>92614612Tell me more about Olivia's package
>>92614965Guess we are only allowed to play solitaire in EDH. No interaction allowed.
Will you run two (2) necropotence?
>>92614727triskaidekaphilelab-man / thoracle / jaceapproach of the second sunthat's exclusing any infinite combos
>>92615033interesting
>nu gilded drakesexy
>>92615058Elaborate
>>92615032When's the last time you saw somebody run giant growth in a commander deck? It's just a type of card that has low value in the format. You're going to find yourself with a hand full of combat tricks and opponents who simply just don't block and go from 40 life to 33 life without batting an eye.
>>92615033Why did they think printing this was a good idea?
>>92615118they are obviously bad in the format, but what about Reigns of Power or Domineering Will? Are they considered Combat tricks? at least i think they are, and applicable for Commander
>>92615152it is tho? it'll make a lot of money
>>92615152they need their juicy chase mythics that singlehandedly carry the value of the set
>>92615033Unfortunately the last paragraph makes it bad for my Syr Konrad deck, so i guess i won't. Also, why is this legendary? I don't see how having more than one on the field would be beneficial
>>92615037Booooring.
>>92614187Holy BASED
>>92615118So you're saying I need to force people to block?
>>92615187Yeah man, it's azorius, not the happy fun explosive colorswhat's your favorite Azorius wincon?
>>92615033Oh god Kappa Canoneer is now modern legal?
>>92615200How is this based at all retard
>>92614187Terese nielsen is absurdly overrated solely for political reasons
>>92615223Chunners with Leering Emblem or Runechanter Pike
>>92615251no, she's overrated because she paints hot women
>>92615234>>92615251t. Gruul trannies
>>92615265>literally proving the point
>>92615258so you're playing against precons, gotcha
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
>>92615251I think most people who praise her realize they wouldn't really like her Hallmarkcore art were it not for bandwagoning>>92615265Beep boop execute standard hivemind output
>>92615274So 2 mana, steal anything?
>>92615287You need to pay energy equal to the stolen thing's mana cost, so by itself it can only steal things with a cmc of 4 or less
>>92615271This is not the format that should be turned into samey copy-pasted Legacy 2.0
>>92615274>2 mana kill spell with a 3/2 flyer attachedCool, cool.
>>92615274Yurikofags in shambles
>>92615265Red/Gruul is based and some eceleb is not an argument against that unless you're a brainlet whose mind is fried on idpol and celeb culture.
>>92615297at its worst you can still steal any creature without protection then sac it so it actually gets around indestructible
>>92615274>powercrept gilded drakelollmao even
>>92615274this is going to destroy other formats, but it doesn't seem too insanely pushed in commander 2bh.
>>92615337They've powercrept reserved list cards before. I'd argue in some ways this is a side-grade, though, because the energy stuff.
>>92615369Gilded drake hasnt wrecked Legacy, but this will have some drastic effects in Modern I feel
>>92615380The energy stuff isn't necessary a sidegrade because you get 4 so basically you can steal any creature up to 4 cmc without any other additional energy sources and you can simply choose to not pay the cost in order to kill the creature regardless of cmc.
>>92615403Depends, sometimes you want to keep the commander hostage, though this card can steal 90% of relevant cedh commanders outside of Kraum and keep them
>>92615403which would make it just a more expensive rapid hybridization that gives over a much better creature
>>92615300there's a difference between cEDH/Legacy 2.0 and just not running bad cards
>>926154164 cmc includes Kraum so yeah, going up to 4 mana for a gilded drake checks off the vast majority of worthile cEDH targets (which is where gilded drake is relevant to begin with) and even in casual it catches a lot of the best possible targets.>>92615418It's a gilded drake with the option for removal, it gives a better creature than gilded drake but that's trivial.
>>92615277I have always liked her and her brothers art.
>>92615274fuck I want this card
>>92615274>hexproof from abilitiesIs this to avoid certain combos or specifically protection from bowmaster pings?
>>92614684It's not nonsense. The vast majority of payoffs for creature type synergy apply mostly to creatures. There are a few upsides you can do (like tutoring up a Tarfire with Goblin Matron) but the design space is so small it's usually not worth filling the whole set up with extra words for consistency sake. Especially since for a lot of spell effects you can make them etb triggers on the relevant creature.Modern Horizons is a gimmicky set explicitly based on weird shit and throwbacks. It has a Kindred card in MH2 as a Tarmogoyf nod, now it's doing them as a reference to the noncreature Eldrazi from ROE.They brought back Annihilatior to for this set, even though that mechanic is like storm scale 9.
>>92613583I'd unironically advocate for including personality a little bit, but yeah I agree on the JoCat pill.
>>92615618>Shill GengarBesides the fact that makes me think we’re getting a new Kaalia, that guy is close to what I wanted Aclazotz to be>Pearl EarBecause Light-Paws needed more support
>>92615563it just makes the creature you give over better in 60 card formats because a lot of removal is ability based rather than spell based ie channel lands, enchantment ETBs, planeswalker abilities
>>92615618>eldermeh
>>92615666He's the origin of Innistradi vampires, so I guess it fits him. More than it did Belzenlok at least.
>>92613450Fast as fuck games. Expect something like Slicer-tier fast games with her.
>>92615153As someone who likes Reins of Power and runs it often, I feel like 99% of the time I'm casting it at sorcery speed on my turn, and the gotcha moments are usually desperately clinging onto the game. Now there is a viable combat trick in EDH, and you can tell it's viable because of how many people bitch about it.
>>92612838I am unironically that filthy aesi anon from yesterday, thank you
>>92614434yurikoshit
>>92615274>>92615618Oh shit, they may have fucked up the colors of the energy archetype, but this is still a hell of a toy for my energy deck.
>>92615222I recently built this guy and I love it but that other anon is spot on, it may as well read “your creatures are unblockable”. There are a few low cmc creatures that must be blocked that become boardwipes, I love using lures so my big shit can just swing in, or luring a trample creature against the token player
>>92611476>Ellivere Staxes (cEDH)I just love the DnT feel I get when I play this deck.It's fun to have a deck that can win by beating face in the competitive side of EDH.Also I love the little ouphes on the artwork.
>>92608425They wasted the art on this card.
>>92616000
how does etali actually win in cedh?
>>92616067Good art on bad magic cards is the most magic thing there is
>>92616092I think they attack
>>92616092casting etali infinite amount of times until they steal opponents win con or deck everyone out
>>92616092you make everyone else scoop
>>92615819Let me know how shit do you think my list is and hopefully some improvements.
>>92616092No idea in cEDH, but I run Food Chain and either win with Passionate Archaeologist or exile all libraries with Etali.
>>92614985She certainly should have. Fun little subtle ways to show it off and hint at it's majesty.
>>92615736It's a very funny card because people you don't need to run any other infect cards.Just using it on an opponent attacking another opponent is hilarious but mean.I just use it to fuck with friends or people I dislike
>>92613680>Rebels want multiple colorsHubris. You only need one for combo. Also, I think you're going for more of a mid range deck. Though I still hate Wubrg.
Ghostbusters tie-in for duskmourn house of horror
>>92616488would be absurdly based
>>92616488Maro outright confirmed there's no tie-ins like Jurassic Park for any announced sets (as of a couple months ago at least). Most we'll see is shit like the Cowboy Bebop thing or a Secret Lair, if anything.
>>92615618I really hope Pearl Ear has massive milkers like Light Paws.
>>92616500Maro does not control the spice.
>>92616500just looked those up and there kinda sick, i hope we get the JP playmats
>>92616500Maro also said he didn't want Time Lords as one type without a -Maro doesn't call the shots
>>92616534Sure, but he doesn't outright say something isn't happening when it is. A categorical denial of a thing happening is as clear as you can get for it not happening.
Kindred
>>92616550It's one thing to not call the shots, it's another to outright confirm a thing is NOT happening.
>they thought they have kept zurgo down sufficiently>drop embercleave and silver shroud costume>Oloro realizes he's dead and tries to strike a deal>bash his ugly mug>kardur starts apologizing about goading everyone into attacking me>obliterate him next>meren carefully asks to sac a creature>slowly move my hand towards zurgo>meren sighs in relief>stop my hand above my lands, tap 1 white and ephemerate zurgo>proceed to break her skullgod damn what a good feeling this commander is
>>92616580Yeah I remember jacking off to Kindred when I used to play League, good times
>>92616596Ed Boon always did that with Mortal Kombat. But Boon is a professional troll. Maro is a fucking nerd
Ultrapros shitty monopoly is finally broken
>>92616500>win prerelease>get some packs that say 'jurassic world' on them>look inside>no jurassicmfw no face
>>92616752I don't care until it's Dragonshield
>>92616760every time I see that jurassic park logo I'm taken back to how it was everywhere in the mid 90s. there was not a single store that didn't sell various products with that logo on it. that shit lasted for years
>>92616805I only use anime sleeves and cheap gamegenic boxes but felt like sharing cause I got burned on some ultra pro sleeves when I first got into edh. They split open while sleeving up before I even had a chance to play
>>92616752Ultimate guard is also shit. Their sleeves and deckboxes have repeatedly damaged by cards and their boulders are a false advertisement.Gamegenic is the only good deck box maker.
>>92616676Ephemerate doesn't do anything against forced sac effects.
>>92616916i use bushiroad weeb deckboxes or leather deckboxes, dragon shield has the best sleeves though, especially oversleeves
>>92617007Dragon shields shuffle like fucking credit cards
>>92617009And they last just as long
>>92616916I like their boulders, what is wrong with them?
>>92617009they make the best oversleeves, i was using kmc for years, but DS easily has my favorite sleeves now, even their regular ass sleeves are my go to now, i used to buy kmc alot but theyve gotten worse over the yearsi need sturdy sleeves since i hand shuffle alot
>>92617039Katanas are far better due to shuffle feel. Not even close. The only detriment is they barely make any so they are expensive, hard to get, and have a very small variety of colors.>>92617028They don't really fit 100 double sleeved cards unless you sleeved them in their sleeves. I have bent cards trying to fit 100 cards in those boxes using dragon shield inners/outers. They only fit if using katanas. Been the case with every boulder I try as well as my friends. Meanwhile, they advertise as 100+So I ended up with shit I can't use without their rare, expensive sleeves
>>92617056only tried katanas once when i was resleeving my yugioh deck, my store only had them in JP card size but they were nice>>92617056no deckboxes except big leather one or premium deck boxes fit 100 double sleeved cards, at least if you use regular sleeves and over sleeves, DS perfect fits and regular sleeves can fit a satin tower barely, but i remember having to buy some random ass deckbox for my tasha deck since i oversleeved itim glad weiss is only 50 cards so i can use all my deckboxes and triple sleeve my decks
>>92617056Fair enough, I don't use boulders for magic but instead Digimon as the 60 count fits my double sleeved 54-55 deck perfectly.I use kmc inners and dual matte dragon shields so I'm surprised they can't fit 100 cards
>>92617056Never tried Katanas, but i only really use Dragon Shields because they're fucking indestructible and last forever. Every other sleeve i've used starts getting noticeably dinged up or straight up breaks after a few months of use, and sleeves are annoyingly expensive where i live
>>92617196how stupid would it be to run all wheels and as many zero drop kobolds in this as possible?
>>92617188I love dragon shields but man the bad batch they had was fucking horrible and I still get some less than desirable boxes once in a while.
>>92617232Are there even enough kobolds for that to mean anything?
>>92617196Insidious roots would be funny for this if you have a sac source and a way to give things rush
>>92617269I forgot food chain exists so imagine this plus insidious roots and a haste enabler
>>92608403So explain Kagha to me. She's obviously not top or cEDH tier, but she seems good. In the only style of deck you would have her commanding or in the 99, she's basically an improved card draw engine.Any bit of research pulls up basically nothing. Only found pauper-commander guides for her and that's it, EDHRec only has 540 decks listed.Is she... not good? What am I missing
>>92616760So when the fuck did the IP's name become "Jurassic World" anyway. Did something happen with the name "Jurassic Park".
>>92616676>proceed to break her skullDid you get so mad that you had to sac Zurgo that you committed assault? Zurgo still does to that.
>>92617378you should know by now people who make up stories dont know how cards work, they just pick random ones
>>92617269>rush
>>92617459i wish the one piece tcg was actually fun to play
>>92617477I had fun playing it with friends using the precons, did something happen?
>>92617374more so trying to shill there new shittier movies i think
>>92617459I will mix up MTG and Digimon keywords and I will not apologize.Also draw 1 trash 1 sounds better than draw 1 discard 1 when saying it aloud
>>92617698It sounds better because you ARE trash. lmao gotem
>>92608540hell yeah, as long as you make it interesting and somehow utilize the Piper. make Alesha Like effects and then use His fairly high CMC for fling, rituals?dont Play thoracle or i will steal your balls.
>>92609001me too Bro. startet only in 2022. even the newer good artists Like seb mckinnon are now cancelled let alone old Legends Like Terese nielson. you can Go through a whole 250+ Card Set (+altarts+Bonussheet+Commander Decks+Secret laut attachements+) without finding even ONE Card that comes Close.
>>92609429Not sure If mardu is my favorite tricolor but it might be.hate simic though
>>92617459Hearthstone is great bro
I'll be so mad if they don't bring rad counters back.
>>92610179>Using $50 Hyldaprice doesnt really Matter Here the Deck is dirt cheap. and pretty powerful. i assume given your playgroup and the commanders they Play it should be pretty easy for you to Tap down the entire Board all the time. do you pretty much exclusivly Play Control? and whats your win% in 4PMultiplayer? everything over 40% is concerning.
>>92617362jack of all trades and master of none. anything you'd want to do with her other commanders in similar colors do better.
>>92618100I don't really play control much, most of my decks are basically solitaire of me doing dumb shit for ETB effects, etc. I actually just did a pass over Hylda with a friend trying to upgrade it but keeping it low still. Though I do see your point about how budget doesn't necessarily equate to power, especially since tap-down effects are often cheap.https://www.archidekt.com/decks/5397263/shirayukiHere's the decklist. As for your other question, I would say I probably win about 25-33% of the time, around a third at the high end, about a quarter or a little lower with my weaker decks. We're awful at judging power level in our group so sometimes we end up with lots of mismatching.
>>92611476>>92612410What is this chatterfang netdeck? I have one that is much more of a combo deck. Don't really understand chatterfang hate, he's not even particularly good
>>92618144>Isochron Scepter>Cryptic Command>Archmage's Charm
I wish she wasn't a 6 drop morph commander
>>92618167Those are all new adds from this new pass, none of which were in the original deck when used. I pulled an AC and figure the others are worth getting my hands on for repeatable tapping.This also raises a question, can I use Replicate on Gigadrowse if I use it with the scepter?
>>92616092I actually know this because I brewed one, it's usually value gen from her ETB->food chain combo->more ETBs->overwhelming value into infinite. There are multiple infinites you can run to seal the deal mainly revolving around dockside. Can also run multiple other red infinite combos if you so choose. Sometimes smashing people to death can actually be relevant as well
>>92611521She died to Gix and she's never ever coming back>t., fellow based Xantcha playerShe's my favorite character in magic because she tard-wrangled Urza and became Karn's heart.
>>92612447She's designed for 12 year old girls to want to buy cards with her on it, which means liking her puts you on the same tier as a bronie
>>92618229>bronies>2024This would be like bitching about Power Rangers in 2014
What power level do most people play at?
>>92612318thought about the Deck since i Love Morph but didnt feel it was ready yet. Did karlor Manor disguise stuff Help with that?
>>92618253everybody at my LGS plays "high powered but not c" so that's what I playgets kind of boring 2bh
>>92618253The people I play with have shit ranging from barely modified precons to borderline cedh deck
>>92618275But what does "high powered" really mean? No proxies to start I assume. But does that mean other than dual lands, and $100+ mana rocks everything else is fair game?
>>92618253We use this to define it. All of our decks are anywhere from 6-8. We also all have a few unmodified precons we occasionally bust out.
>>92618275>High powered but not competitive
>>92618318That chart is retarded
>>92618335works for us
>>92618246Which ironically was one of the years that everyone was bitching about bronies. Still baffled that WotC was willing to embezzle Hasbro enough money for legal Transformer cards, but the cartoon horses for arguably their most popular IP in existence are silver-border.>>92618253I play whatever I want and either make people realize that they're massive tryhards for running shit like Partnered Thrasios or Jodah or have some actual casual magic where we don't have to sweat over whether or not someone's deck has $50 staples to steal the game.
>>92618318Going by description all my decks are an 8, all hovering around $500 budget. And they all have infinites that can win as soon as turn 3-4 and the blue decks have pretty efficient counter with some of 0 mana counters. Is that still an 8? Because you really can't call anything cEDH unless a)you can proxy b)you have all the fast mana/efficient lands available
>>92618308people play proxies, but most people build their own decks and there's just a limit to how good a deck can get if you're only a casual deck builder. I regularly play into the legal moxes, ancient tomb, jeweled lotus, duals, etc.>>92618318This chart is always stupid because it presupposes you're playing with a deck that's going for one of the handful of heavily pushed archetypes. There's a wide universe of perfectly fine strategies that don't hold up because they don't have a relevant trigger doubler or a ward 4 commander or built in incidental card draw or whatever. I wish there was a format where you could use any modern card in the 99, but the command had to have been printed before New Phyrexia.
Is it viable to run Negan as my commander for the express purpose of also running both Karlach and Astarion in the same deck or should I just use Caesar instead and also have a Negan in the deck or what? I don’t care about being a compfag but I also don’t want to get steamrolled by my friends every game just for running a goofy Mardu deck built around crossover characters I like
>>92618318>EDH Powerschale>Power 10 cEDHis there a scale Like this but Not retarded?
>>92618590Where should 10 be then?
>>92618607its an EDH Tierlist. edh is Casual, cEDH by Definition is Not. Its simply Not part of it and its own Format.also, am i the only one offended that tutoring is mandatory Just be a fucking powerlvl 4 Deck?in a singelton Format?
>>92618637Every pvp entertainment outlet has the possibility for more optimal play patterns or materials. It's inherent in competition. While I agree that edh is at its best when played casually, I cannot agree with the notion that there isn't a more optimal (competitive) way to engage with the game.
>>92618637why is your capitalization so fucked
>>92618498Do people still freak out at Negan and fucking cry about how he's an evil rapist (despite him not being one)
>>92618637Every time I say I dislike tutoring because it removes the draw back and randomness of a singleton format I get called retarded here
>>92618710Shut up, retard.
>>92618697got a new Phone and it does this. decided to let IT stay this way because people get upset over it. >>92618710you are Not alone, i have 2 tutors in my 60 Commander Decks and both are pretty Low Power as far as tutors Go (treefolk harbinger)
>>92618727>60 Commander Decks
>>92618637>>92618710The purpose of a singleton format is to create interesting deck building restrictions. It's not supposed to be "random".
>>92618175I wish she didnt exist so it seems neither of us can be happy
Nothing bothers me more than decks that purposefully build poorly to be quirky.>teehee my Nekusar deck doesn't have any forced draw effects!We get it you're not like other girls
>>92618727>my 60 Commander Decks
>>92618770You'll never see her played, so she effectively does not exist.
>>92618699Don’t know and don’t care, I am a huge fan of Negan after having finally finished reading TWD. Haven’t even watched a single episode of the show, if I buy that card I’m making it my mission to get the art altered and drawn in comic style either by the TWD artist or the Invincible artist at a convention or something. He’s just a funny entertaining guy who experiences probably the most development and change out of anybody else in the story and he has a cool design too. Sperging about Negan is cringe especially since they also just added Caesar from FNV and women’s rights are actually nonexistent in Caesar’s Legion territory but strangely I don’t see anybody crying about that (probably because trannies love New Vegas for reasons unknown to me)
>>92618710Demonic Tutor was legal from day 1 of EDH it's clear they didn't give a fuck about tutors on inception.
Tutors are fine. They increase consistency at the cost of tempo. No one bitches about green decks tutoring for lands. The problem, as it always is, is people build a quirky precon power level deck and include a 2 card combo as plan B to close out games. No retard, you just made a shitty combo deck.
>>92618899thats true, however you should consider two things:>1.the Rules comitee is retarded>2. the banlist is Not centered around Powerlevel but rather unfun playpatterns.>>92618768>>92618665i can See that, even though i appreciate the randomness. still, regarding the Powerscale, giving Up two spots for cEDH which i still Not consider Part of EDH (even though i See how there can be a Border conflict) compresses low-mid powerlevels too much. In PL 1-2 WE have basically 100 random cards that might or might Not Work with your Commander and PL 4 asks for 3 Card wincons that you tutor for. Theres so much space between, 3 cant adress all that.>>92618774>>92618757kneel before my 100$ jankpiles you dont want to feel the wrath of my seb mckinnon Artist Deck ( i also have good Decks i swear)
>>92618974>1.True. Despite having almost no bans there's still some that make no sense.>2.According to this tutors are in the "spirit" of EDH so yeah if you don't like it then feel free to discuss it as a r0 but most people will be opposed to it since unlike MLD, basically every deck wants tutors to do their lines more often without being "play random goodstuff and hope you battlecruise over".
>>92618974A deck's "power level" is a very arbitrary thing, but it really comes down to:>Can you win in the first 4 turns?>Can you consistently make that happen?>Can you stop other people from winning?>Can you stop people from stopping you from winning?If the answer to all four is "yes", then you have a cEDH deck.
>>92618768>create interesting deck building restrictionsThis has failed as all you do is putting as many copies of basically the same card and value engines as possible
>>92619283How has it failed? The restriction has made thousands of "not quite as good" cards playable.
Me? Oh, I love singleton.>proceeds to add 10 2cmc mana rocks into every deck
>>92619413I think you would be hard pressed to make a 100 card deck that DIDN'T have cards with overlapping effects
>>92614641>Kindred
>>92619645>>92619645>>92619645New Thread time
>>92618159All chatterfang decks play the exact same way. Let me guess, you run pitiless plunderer and a whole bunch of tutors. Wow, you're a real fucking genius.
