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Today in Military History:

491 – Odoacer makes a night assault with his Heruli guardsmen, engaging Theoderic the Great in Ad Pinetam. Both sides suffer heavy losses, but in the end Theodoric forces Odoacer back into Ravenna.

660 – Korean forces under general Kim Yu-sin of Silla defeat the army of Baekje in the Battle of Hwangsanbeol.

969 – The Fatimid general Jawhar leads the Friday prayer in Fustat in the name of Caliph al-Mu'izz li-Din Allah, thereby symbolically completing the Fatimid conquest of Egypt.

1386 – The Old Swiss Confederacy makes great strides in establishing control over its territory by soundly defeating the Duchy of Austria in the Battle of Sempach.

1401 – Timur attacks the Jalairid Sultanate and destroys Baghdad.

1755 – The Braddock Expedition is soundly defeated by a smaller French and Native American force in its attempt to capture Fort Duquesne in what is now downtown Pittsburgh.

1776 – George Washington orders the Declaration of Independence to be read out to members of the Continental Army in Manhattan, while thousands of British troops on Staten Island prepare for the Battle of Long Island.

1810 – Napoleon annexes the Kingdom of Holland as part of the First French Empire.

1863 – American Civil War: The Siege of Port Hudson ends in a Union victory and, along with the fall of Vicksburg five days earlier, gives the Union complete control of the Mississippi River

1932 – The state of São Paulo revolts against the Brazilian Federal Government, starting the Constitutionalist Revolution.

1943 – World War II: The Allied invasion of Sicily begins.

1944 – World War II: American forces take Saipan.

1944 – World War II: Continuation War: Finland wins the Battle of Tali–Ihantala, the largest battle ever fought in northern Europe.
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On Tuesday, July 9, 1776 at 18:00, Washington had several brigades march onto the commons of New York to hear the Declaration of Independence read. After the end of the reading, a mob ran down to Bowling Green with ropes and bars, where they tore down the gilded lead equestrian statue of George III of Great Britain. In their fury, the crowd cut off the statue's head, severed the nose, mounted what remained of the head on a spike outside a tavern, and the rest of the statue was dragged to Connecticut and melted down into musket balls. These 42,000 musket balls were up against the “largest and best-equipped [British] expeditionary force” ever assembled.

This reading served as the prelude to the Battle of Long Island, which finally broke out on August 27, 1776, and was the first battle between the newly declared United States and the British Empire. It was the largest battle of the Revolutionary War in terms of both troop deployment and combat, and a brutal British victory, highlighting that the revolutionaries were fighting "the best troops of Europe." Within three hours almost 2000 Americans were either dead or captured.

From the 12th of July British ships had continually blockaded the American supply lines, carrying regular British troops and Hessian auxiliaries. Washington felt that a British attack on Long Island might be a diversion for the main attack on Manhattan. He broke his army in half, stationing half of it on Manhattan, and the other half on Long Island.

On the night of August 26th, the British attack plan came into effect, with the main bulk of their forces making a night march and going through the Jamaica Pass to turn the American flank, while other troops would keep the Americans busy in front. The main column consisted of 10,000 men who stretched out over two miles. Three Loyalist farmers led the column toward the Jamaica Pass.
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Anyone heard of Haywire? is it any good?
Saw Taibi talk about it on Tucker.
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The British had left their campfires burning to deceive the Americans into thinking that nothing was happening, and American sentries stationed at the pass were captured without a shot being fired. Resting for a short while, the British fired two cannon shots to signal the front attack force, comprised of Hessians, to begin their advance. Around 01:00 on August 27, the British approached the vicinity of the Red Lion Inn with 200–300 troops. The American troops fired upon the British; after approximately two fusillades, they fled up the Gowanus Road, with several of their commanders being captured in the retreat. The Americans responded by manouvering additional units forwards to meet the British. Upon the approach of the British, the Americans:

"Took possession of a hill about two miles from camp, and detached Colonel Atlee to meet them further on the road; in about sixty rods he drew up and received the enemy's fire and gave them a well-directed fire from his regiment, which did great execution, and then retreated to the hill." – General Parsons

Battle Hill was the site of especially brutal fighting, with the Americans inflicting the highest number of casualties against the British troops during the entire Battle of Long Island. However, the Americans still believed that this frontal attack was the main offensive.

The Hessians, in the center under the command of General von Heister, began to bombard the American lines stationed at Battle Pass. The Hessian brigades did not attack, as they were waiting for the pre-arranged signal from the British, who were in the process of outflanking the American lines at that time. When the signal was given the Hessians began to attack up Battle Pass, while the main army came at Sullivan from the rear. Sullivan left his advance guard to hold off the Hessians while he turned the rest of his force around to fight the British. Heavy casualties on both sides followed, with large numbers of soldiers fleeing the field.
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Sullivan attempted to calm his men and tried to lead a retreat. By this point, the Hessians had overrun the advance guard on the heights and the American left had completely collapsed. Hand-to-hand fighting followed, with the Americans swinging their muskets and rifles like clubs to save their own lives. Despite the chaos, Sullivan managed to evacuate most of his men to Brooklyn Heights, despite being finally captured.

At 09:00, Washington arrived from Manhattan. He realized that he had been wrong about a feint on Long Island and he ordered more troops to Brooklyn from Manhattan to shore up the lines of the fleeing American regiments. Stirling still held the line against Grant on the American right, to the west. He held on for four hours, still unaware of the British flanking maneuver, and some of his own troops thought that they were winning the day because the British had been unable to take their position. However, Grant was reinforced by 2,000 marines, and he hit Stirling's center by 11:00, and Stirling was attacked on his left by the Hessians. Stirling's forces finally broke, fleeing across a creek towards the American defenses on Brooklyn Heights.

Stirling ordered all of his troops to cross the creek, except a contingent of Maryland troops, who gained the nickname "The Maryland 400". They launched several counterattacks against the British positions at the Old Stone House to buy time for the rest of the American troops to retire to Washington's position. Some of the men who tried to cross the marsh were bogged down in the mud under musket fire and others who could not swim were captured. Surrounded and, unwilling to surrender to the British, the Marylanders broke through the British lines to von Heister's Hessians and surrendered to them. More than 100 men were captured and 256 killed, practically wiping the regiment out in their assaults in front of the Old Stone House. Fewer than a dozen made it back to the American lines.
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Howe, the commander of the British forces, decided against a further direct frontal assault on the entrenched American positions, choosing instead to begin a siege and setting up lines of circumvallation around the American positions. He believed the Americans to be essentially trapped, with his troops blocking escape by land and the Royal Navy in control of the East River, which they would have to cross to reach Manhattan Island. This pause, probably to prevent further unnessecary British casualties after the phyrric victory at Bunker's Hill, allowed Washington to evacuate the entire Continental army to Manhattan. However, despite allowing the Continental army to escape almost entirely unscathed, the battle was still seen as a phenomenal British victory. When news of the battle reached London, it led to many celebratory festivities. Bells were rung across the city, candles were lit in windows, and King George III awarded Howe the Order of the Bath.

Washington's defeat, in the opinions of some, revealed his deficiencies as a military strategist. Splitting his forces resulted in his largely inexperienced generals misunderstanding the state of the battle, and his raw troops fled in disorder at the first shots. However, Washington and the Continental Army's daring retreat later that night has been seen by some historians as one of General Washington's greatest military accomplishments. Other historians concentrate on the failure of British naval forces to prevent the withdrawal.

The most significant legacy of the Battle of Long Island was that it showed there would be no easy victory, and that the war would be long and bloody. The British took control of the strategically vital harbor and put New York City under military occupation until the treaty ending the war was signed. The area surrounding the city and the harbor remained in a near-constant state of conflict as a forage-war harassed the surrounding communities.
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There are LOTS of options to wargame the AWI. I personally really like Sharp practice, but have heard good things about Muskets and Tomahawks as well. For the Battle of Long island, this scale of game would work well for the opening Hessian charge at the Red Lion Inn, or for the last stand of the Maryland 400. Smaller skirmish games could be used to play the opening British gambit at Jamaica pass; can the British and their loyalist allies ambush the sentries before they can raise the alarm? I'm not as familiar with larger scale wargames, so I hope some other anons can shed light on any particularly good options.
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>>93286410
>tq
Last game I played was V&F. First day battle of Leipzig. Russians and Austrians were trying to storm Liebertwolkwitz and then fend of a Young Guard division counterstroke. We got the historical result of the French defeating us after initial successes. I blame the Austrian Cuirassiers for showing up too late to roll up the Galgenberg before the counterpunch broke our assault.

Pic. Rel.: WIP, Yeletz regiment, 1st brigade, 11th division for my IV. Corps, for an event later this year.
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thank you for the posts OP, started the process of rebasing my AWI 10mm stuff today
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Anyone got the off table support cards? I would like to try the game before purchasing two small cold war forces in 15mm.

Seems like the system is quite decent, specially compared to team yankee. Anyone has tryed it? Is it possible to win games without tanks?
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>>93287428
I've got them, will take some photos of them tomorrow and throw them up on here.

I really like 7 days, it's just the right amount of complicated that you can bash through a game over a few hours without requiring you to be flicking back and forth through the rulebook 90% of the time. It's possible, but hard, to win without tanks. Mostly it revolves around anti-armour assets like Milan teams and TOW capable vehicles, so its easier for the NATO forces than for the soviets. You don't get the parking lot effect you get in team yankee either.
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Anyone got a PDF for the Campaign Gigant book? Can't find it on Mediafire.
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>>93286410
Is it just me, or are the normal tactics and formations of the middle ages harder to picture then the classical or early modern period. Hell, even kinda more then viking age stuff with shieldwalls.

Just on a popular level, you think of Pre-alexandrian greeks with their phallanxes, then the alexandrian pike blocks and cav. The roman maniple system, then thier marian reform system.

I know a lot of this is abstracted and reductionistic and it changed from time and place within, but at least I got a kind of picture of them, but for some reason, I dont have one for high medieval. Whats a good source on normative high medieval battlefeild formations? Was it heavy cav in front, and lighter infantry in the back and sides? Heavier infantry in the center light infantry and missles around and cav on the sides? Heavy cav knights at front, semi heavy seargents and the like just behind, and very light cav behind that? I just dont feel like I have a good picture and frame of reference for europe c. 1000-1400.
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Anyone know of good STLs for the Korean or Vietnam wars? Also tutorials for painting 20C military vehicles would be appreciated. I am mostly used to painting sci-fi and fantasy stuff rather than realistic
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has anyone seen Ospreys "Wars of the Republic" and if so, could you point me in the right direction?
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>>93291098
The YouTuber Medieval Wargamer is a good source.

He shows the more mixed formations common in the high middle ages - ie heavily armed veterans at the front, retainers at the back, the former using heavier blades as well as cut down lances and the latter supporting them with swords and shields and billhooks. The weaponry seems like it was a bit more mixed except where with dark ages guys archers and slingers would be skirmishing behind the shieldwall, missile troops are more concentrated with pavise or stakes

Just my amateur 2c
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printan tanks
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>>93292962
i have a picture of the indivigual squads, like you said, being mixed. but not really overall army wide formation, like across the entire force.
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I noticed that for a good chunk of the Britonic dark ages, if you want a summary or a good secondary source, your options are two websites.

One doesn't make it clear what it's sources are, and the other one treats all sources fairly equally (Stupid), and then deduces things but doesn't tell you... and then assumes things based on those deductions, and then makes those assumptions into sources somehow.

It also contradicts other webpages on the same site.

You're literally better off using wikipedia.

I wouldn't be that pissed if this stuff didn't have academic looking formatting and URLs, and it's bullshit wasn't creeping into published wargames.
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>>93293240
MORE
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>>93294070
>Briton dark ages
Most overrated dogshit period to wargame of them all. I have more respect for Normandy Bolt Action players
>nah bro, but this barely documented period of Britain's history where all sides were hairy poor as fuck hicks exclusively using spears and shields without armor, with the exception of the twelve guys in all of Britain that could afford armor' is actually really cool because one of the Somali-tier warlords might have been king Arthur
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>>93294667
Looks good anon, what are those 1/100?
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>>93294701
even the most trite period has nothing on boring fags that think contrarianism makes up for having no personality
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>>93291035
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ag3ikunxuza3tsq/Bolt_Action_-_Campaign_-_Gigant_-_Operation_Sea_Lion_The_Second_Front.pdf/file
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Can anyone recc me small-scale vietnam war game/ruleset? No more than 50-100 minis per side
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Does anyone have a good list of homebrew for Ravenfeast? Wanting to put a campaign together, and I'm going to be changing movement (from 6" to 2D6), adding a few alternative warbands and throwing in some burning buildings/raiding mechanics. Anyone else played it and got any other suggestions?
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>>93290848
Nice, thank you!
Maybe infantry would be better with more fortification rules and extra range for rpgs. 12" Seems a bit anemic for an rpg7
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Anyone got issue 129 of Wargames Soldiers & Strategy?
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>>93294832
yep, printing them for team yankee or whatever other 15mm games I can play with them
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>>93294070
>I noticed that for a good chunk of the Britonic dark ages, if you want a summary or a good secondary source, your options are two websites.

Or you could, you know, actually read books and primary sources.

>>93294070
>You're literally better off using wikipedia.
The level of stupid the internet has made...

>>93294701
>Most overrated dogshit period to wargame of them all.
Confirmed for retarded.
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>>93295214
Warrick Kinrade has a new one coming, 'Nam '68 I think it's called. Not out yet. It's not my period so I can't recommend anything, though there is a Chain of Command variant (CoC DMZ).

>>93299432
https://mega.nz/file/hcgE0SCC#Sd8D2MWwCFSytekEDNidR3kVbki0Xx5X7ASMOgf2Iqw
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Has anyone here read "Abstract: Shields and Martial Practices of the Viking Age: Shield Finds from Viking Age Denmark and the Functional Aspects of Round Shield Construction and Use" yet?

It's a really interesting sounding journal article, but it's locked behind a paywall... Urg.
>>93300162
There are only like two primary sources (More like one and a half really) and it takes forever to read them, and both of them are basically lying most of the time. That's unless you want to look at ruins or graves, which are inside BBC documentaries or again, cited by Wikipedia.

And Wikipedia will just quote them and link to them, and cite where they get their information from anyways.
>Links book
>Says I should read primary sources.

You're literally providing a burdensome secondary source that will just do what wikipedia would do... But worse...

>"Extract from Anglo-Saxon Chronicle copyright © 1990
This source literally makes shit up over and over, and basically contradicts earlier sources, along with anything we read. It openly says that God looks down upon the Britons and was literally, and openly propaganda.
>"Extract from Nennius copyright © 1980 by John Morris and"
This source has sleeping dragons in it, is openly propaganda, and it has a single man fighting a bunch of battles... Some in South Pictland, some in Cornwall, and many of them decades and decades apart.
>Gildas
The only good source, but it's short enough that you can summarize almost everything it says very quickly and/or just read it yourself.

or Control F, if you have to.
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What other good military history publishers are there other than Osprey?
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>>93300162
One of these kings literally lived in Dumnonia and the source naming him says as much.

"Constantine the tyrannical whelp of the unclean lioness of Damnonia"

That is not Damnonia.

Aurelius Conanus is never given a location, but he's named after Constantine and before Vortipore, so if we had to guess where he lived... He should live around Bath. Even the most dogshit secondary sources can get this detail right.

"dragon of the island ... Maglocune"

The island is very clearly within the Kingdom of Gwynedd. "The Isle of Anglesey was the base of power of the kings of Gwynedd, so describing Maelgwn as the 'dragon of the island' is appropriate."

Also Gwynedd was a rather powerful kingdom, which often dominated Wales and put up strong, honest resistant to the Angles.
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>>93299432
I'm personally more interested in 123 because of the Welsh and Ravenfeast.
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>>93291098
I think in a lot of cases it was heavy cavalry front and centre organised into multiple lines, some armies used the infantry as a static rally point
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Yeletz regiment done minus basework and flags, 15 more to go. Where besides NapFlag do I get russian flags?
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>>93297948
RPGs can fly further, but generally the chances of hitting at maximum effectiveness past that range is pretty ropey. Infantry can really maul MBTs close up though, play on a more urban map and they can rack up some good vehicle kills.
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Why are warlord so incapable of making good models
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>>93291098
God, c.1100, 3rd crusades was peak armor kino.

Love enclosed helmets that arent full on great helms yet, and the symple but geometrically pleasing aesthetics that dont quite get into the over design of later medieval iconography.
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Anyone have a pdf for Charlie Don't Surf?
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>>93297948
In real life, the effect range of an RPG-7 is like 330 meters if the target doesn't move at all. A baseline AKM is like 400 meters and a AK-74 is 500 meters.

At the same time fragmentation warheads don't need to directly hit the target...
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>>93295214
50 -100 miniatures per side is still pretty big...

Boocoo Fire Mission or Charlie Don't Surf perhaps?
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>>93305386
I've been tryna get a pdf for CDS but it eludes me
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>>93304152
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>>93304152
Supplement
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>>93291098
Traditionally armies were divided into 3-5 "battles" of largely whatever, usually a mix of both infantry and cavalry, often archers too but no real emphasis on them. Archers were usually used to open the battle and harass the enemy foot, then often moved to the flanks or rear after initial skirmish (if any). If there were flanking battles than they were usually exclusively cavalry. The archers would initiaite by skirmishing, and then the cavalry would frontally cycle charge at one another/infantry until the infantry engaged, flanking cavalry would try and defeat one another then swing around.

Its not that infantry was not important, but the battle was typically decided by the cavalry, especially as the knights could dismount and reinforce the infantry if needed, and that sufficient well-equipped infantry could hold cavalry long enough for their own cavalry to regroup. e.g. Legano, where the HRE's lack of infantry/numbers cost them the battle despite winning the initial cavalry engagement. Crossbows were a credible threat but not dangerous enough to determine battles by themselves.

The English developed an emphasis on the use of longbows during the reign of Edward I, and adapt their tactics in the 14th.c to be heavily reliant on longbowmen and having a highly mobile army. They'd force the enemy to engage them on favourable terrain, and place archers on the flanks and dismount most of their men-at-arms to fight as infantry (which would now mostly consist of men-at-arms), and then remount to pursue if they won. The longbows were very deadly, especially to cavalry, as horses were usually very poorly armoured compared to their riders at this point in time, notwithstanding that the longbows could and would injure or kill even well armoured men at closer ranges. Pretty much everyone ended up copying the English.

One exception is the scottish, who were too poor to field much, who tried spamming pike schiltrons, ultimately doesnt work.
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>>93294701
>Most overrated dogshit period to wargame of them all

There isn't one, if a period speaks to you it's a good period. I like Caesarian Rome, English Civil War, Napoleonics, Dark Ages and WW2 - it doesn't get more basic bitch than that.

>>93303316
Agreed, it's like reinforced or refined Dark Ages armour. I don't really like the "tin man" feel of the High Middle Ages until it's really refined during the Italian Wars and then subsequently plays less and less of a role throughout the Renaissance.
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>>93306146

Anna Komnena mentions numerous times in the Alexiad that the byzantines were instructed to focus their archery against the horses of the Kelts, as the dismounted Kelts would be a much lesser threat.
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Have any of you inclined to speed and contrast paints tried blocking in 3-4 colours before drybrushing with bone or grey and then white? I am told this gives very vibrant results and want to give it a go.
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>>93306146
So would it be accurate to say that the converging infantry bodies acted as a sort of fulcrum which the surrounding clash of cavalry acted around?
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>>93286856

appreciate the writeup anon, doing the lords work

>>93293513

individual squads weren't really a thing, you just had 'battles' which were more of a tactical designation than relating to equipment. There was also the lance fournie and I'm sure others but broadly units were grouped vaguely by weapon type but more likely who brought/raised/commanded them
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>>93305869
>>93305893
yooo thanks king!
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Speaking of Vietnam, has anyone played VC On the Trail, the community Bolt Action supplement for the Vietnam War? Vietnam is like the 3rd most recognisable and notorious conflict of the 20th Century after the world wars and it always surprises me how little it’s gamed
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Opinions on using WGA ww2 italians for ww1?
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>>93303316
I like those aesthetics as well, it's the best... although I won't oppose the great helm with chainmail look either. Who makes the best Third Crusade minis in 28mm? Footsore? Victrix now?
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>>93306690
I just don’t think that war is particularly suited for fun wargaming. Most people like meeting engagements playing and meeting engagements in Vietnam always ended the same way.
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Flames of War or Bolt Action?
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Im listening to a podcast about the northern crusades. The Wendish crusade sounds very gamable wherein advance forces of Saxon knights would establish small outposts across the Elbe, pacify the area then invite settlers which seems like a good setting for skirmish gaming between the knights/settlers and pagans. Anyone tried this?
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>>93306209
If I remember correctly, Anna, and byzantines in general, were often where often way too focused on the micro-technicalities of war rather than the actual whole of what actually worked (in their writings at least). Part of the greek 'tism. Like, they mentinoned formation shifting and square formations that even a full on modern professional prussian space marine army couldnt pagmatically do, not to even mention the largely semi-professional nature of the byzantine army.
For actual battles you very rarely hear of archery taking down full heavy cav formations directly, even in stuff like the battle of Arsuf when the heavy cav was pinned in defensive possition froa while and being wittled by arrow fire for a protracted period of time, they still had enough strength to sally out and rout the archers.

Regardless, any good audiobook on the Alexiad? I have been meaning to listen to it in full instead of just excripts. Seems like a really interesting text.
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>>93303316
>c1100
meant c. 1200 and just before.

I like great helms, but them seem a bit dumpy to me. While I rela
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>>93307971
>While I rela
While I really like the look of a lot of enclosed helms. with mostly just the top of head protection and face plate. ALso like the little teardrop design of a lot of those helmets.
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>>93307569
For me, it's flames of war
>15mm > 28mm
>company scale more engaging than platoon scale
>can push the miniatures around with croupier rakes
>15mm ww2 is a very popular scale, can easily use your miniatures for other games like battlegroup or chain of command
>easier to store, easier to make grand battlefields of terrain
>less tournament faggotry
>less 40k refugees
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>>93306932
Few I know
Legio Heroica. has nice 15 mm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anhbEkaLL7Q
fireforge 28mm:
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>>93306172
>Agreed, it's like reinforced or refined Dark Ages armour.
exactly my thoughts. Other thing I like is the still sizable sheilds.
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>>93306146
So like this? (on average)

A smaller point. I heard the long bow wasnt all that destructive to a formation as a whole. yah it would kill indiviguals, but usually not break an entire formation. It was more its destabalizing effect for the english heavy foot to exploit and actually break.
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>>93308227
>The virgin Templar vs the Chad Hospitalier
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>>93294701
>"Let's ignore that Saga Age of Invasion is a lot of fun and ignore that WAB: Age of Arthur has fantastic character options and unit types as or more exciting than the Shieldwall Era."
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>>93294701
So if we look at the poorly documented part of Dark Ages Briton... Like a third of it we have Romano British... So that's really compelling and we have actual armor, they aren't hairy, and so on.

Also they aren't Somalia tier warlords because the number of leaders quickly became about the same as it would be later on... Same number of Welsh kingdoms.

The later third the Saxons fight the same as the Viking age (The period that is well documented), and everyone else fights the same too. Only the Picts have weird crossbows and hunting dogs, while the Irish have wolfhounds and chariots.
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So a third is basically just the Western Roman Empire fallign, but more exciting...and the latter is just the Viking Age in terms of weapons and armor... Which is very popular....

The middle part has the Saxons fighting with weird shields that are too small to be shields and too big to be bucklers. They have basically no horses and the Britons have riding ponies to skirmish with. Certainly more than they would have later. Honestly, this results in some fairly interesting battles.
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Also it's a period where you can act out battles one to one with just like 30-100 minis. Throughout much of Europe whole kingdoms were fought and won this way.
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>>93306209
The Byzantines repeatedly defeated the Goths because the Goths fight on horseback with kontos and lance and sword... But no bows...

My source is I read Hans Delbrück and the primary text for the battles contained in is series.
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>>93306209
That is so, but it isnt demonstrated very much in their wars against the Normans, where heavy cavalry still decided the outcome, also the Byzantines are a little different as unlike in the west at this time, they did make some regular use of horse archers.

>>93306329
Kind of, although the cavalry would be used against the infantry in large part too.

>>93308389
Kind of, its better to think of it in terms of 3 different sections though, although it was sometimes 4 if archers were their own battle, or 5+ if additional cavalry was split off. Having additional flanking battles of cavalry was relatively rare unless they've split off the cavalry from the infantry and formed single unit type battles (infantry or cavalry), as cavalry was typically in much shorter supply than infantry. An example of doing that would be Falkirk, where Edward split his army into 2 battles of cavalry, and a battle of archers, and a massive battle containing all of the infantry and his own household. Although Edward I knew that the scottish couldnt match him for cavalry, so just swept their cav/archers then shot the schiltrons to death. English style formations of course did look different due to the emphasis on longbowmen and dismounting in a prepared position.
The longbows were lethal and they were destructive to a formation as a whole, but they wouldnt stop them by themselves. The dismounted men-at-arms did ultimately win the battles, that being said they could and would severely damage a cavalry charge as they'd kill the horses as well as inflict a lot of actual casualties, they were less effective against well armoured infantry, but still dangerous.
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>>93307959
What about that one battle were the Goths or Franks broke through the Byzantine line with heavy cavalry, got shot from both sides by archers, and then routed... Indicating that the archers did some fair amount of killing?

I'd have to look again.
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>>93309824
The Byzantine cataphract was just as much an archer as a lancer. The back half of formations was often shooting and often every man had a bow.
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I'm not impressed by the changes to list building for BA3e but I'm sure I'll be forced to cope unless they make the rest of my local group have issues with other changes.
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>>93306938
What do you mean?
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>>93306938
It ends up the same way because they play it the same way the Jews have taught them. Try a scenario where the South Vietnamese and fighting the North Vietnamese. That ought to blow some minds. Try Xuan Loc (look it up) and stop getting your wargaming scenarios from your local Rabai.
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By the way, anyone know what happened to the PnP site Wargame Downloads?
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Is Axis and Allies any fun?
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>>93307569
Yea I'd go with flames of war but if only one has a local scene then go for the one that has players.

As for why I like flames better well one its cheaper because flames of war has the best starter set values. I started by picking up both the Stalingrad and Kursk mid-war starter sets which gave me like 2 entire complete soviet and german armies. Two you can field alot more tanks AT guns and artillery (even planes and AA guns).
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>>93314173
Might wanna ask that in the board games general because there's proabably alot more people in that thread who've played axis and allies.
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>>93314173
Ask /bgg/ or /bwg/
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>>93309876
If so, in practice rather than theory, then by the early 11th.c they either didnt arrive in Italy, werent present in numbers, or didnt perform very well, as they were routinely defeated by Norman Knights, and no special note or mention is made of horse archery in the Lombard chronicles. Many Knights, including the grandsons of those same Italian Norman Knights, who were armed in the same manner, would go on to have an entirely different experience against the turkish horse archers during the 1st crusade, where they genuinely start to become an issue for Frankish/Latin heavy cavalry.

From what I have read, this idea of a cataphract doing both isn't accurate (although some earlier bucelarii may have), as the Cataphracts re-formed by Phocas were very heavily armoured, armed with maces and lances, and intended to charge at the enemy at a steady pace without reforming. The cataphracts were *supposed* to have a number of mounted archers present to assist them in the 5th rank, who were specialised archers (not the same as the lancers). The byzantine taghamtic regiments were typically single-role, so it's not clear where the horse archers are supposed to come from.


Heavy armour of the sort which Catpahractoi wore makes it very difficult to use a bow, it also required a lot of training and skill, which would make it less likely that heavy cavalry would try to do both. Eastern (dedicated) horse archers typically wore much less padding and armour, the turks typically favouring a kind of lamellar corset which ended below the armpits for freedom of movement.

For the battle of dyrrachium, for which the excubitors (taghamtic regiment) were present, we know the norman cavalry was forced back by (foot?) archers sheletering with the varangians at a point, but also that the byzantines had 7,000 turkish mercenaries, so hard to say. The greeks did lose that battle, and horse archery played no stated role in anna's version of events.
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>>93309876
*Additionally, I do not mean to insult you, but this misconception is the result of an erroneous piece of art+information published in the Osprey "Byzantine Imperial Guardsmen", which is caused by a misinterpretation of /not actually reading the "Praecepta Militaria" which it is supposedly based on. The exact quote is:

>There must be archers with the kataphraktoi, in the middle where they can be protected by them. The men in the first, second, third, and fourth lines should not be archers, but from the fifth row on back to the rear. If the total number of kataphraktoi in the formation is 504, they must include 150 archers. If it is 384, they must include eighty archers.

Which could cause confusion to certain readers, however the rest of the passage makes it clear that these are *not* cataphracts

>The archers should wear klibania and helmets only. If possible, their horses should be covered with armor. The archers should wear kabadia on their belts to cover a part of their horses and protect themselves from the waist down.

As to who the archers were or where they came from, I do not know. The Byzantines employed a lot of foreign mercenaries, so they may have typically been from the Hetairea.
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>>93314800
>From what I have read, this idea of a cataphract doing both isn't accurate (although some earlier bucelarii may have), as the Cataphracts re-formed by Phocas were very heavily armoured, armed with maces and lances, and intended to charge at the enemy at a steady pace without reforming. The cataphracts were *supposed* to have a number of mounted archers present to assist them in the 5th rank, who were specialised archers (not the same as the lancers). The byzantine taghamtic regiments were typically single-role, so it's not clear where the horse archers are supposed to come from.

I was talking about the Justinian Era, against the Goths.
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>>93315279
Oh, why? Thats late antiquity, its a completely different context, the topic was explicitly medieval warfare.

In late antiquity the term "cataphract" was thrown around quite loosely to mean armoured cavalry.
You're knid of right, as the Bucelarii in a Justinian-era formation might be multi-role and have a bow, especially those attached to Belisarius, at least according to Procopius, but the Bucelarii with a bow wouldnt be a "super-heavy" clibinarii style cataphract with head to toe armour and an armoured horse. They were armoured fairly similarly to the Phocas era horse archer, save for the greaves and a small shield (or a mail/scale lorica instead of a klivanion). But i havent read anything which suggests that this was universal outside of Belisarius's household. Then again, this is a period for which there isnt very much to go off of.
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>>93314864
>Which could cause confusion to certain readers, however the rest of the passage makes it clear that these are *not* cataphracts
>>The archers should wear klibania and helmets only. If possible, their horses should be covered with armor. The archers should wear kabadia on their belts to cover a part of their horses and protect themselves from the waist down.
>As to who the archers were or where they came from, I do not know. The Byzantines employed a lot of foreign mercenaries, so they may have typically been from the Hetairea.

Every wargaming system that has archer cataphracts have these units too. This is old news.
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>>93315464
>"Oh the Dark Ages?"
>"I thought we were talking about the Middle Ages?"

It's after the Fall of the Roman Empire, but before the Fall of the Eastern Empire.... So the Middle Ages.

Any Roman with heavy armor and armor on his horse is a Cataphract. Just like any warrior nobility in France with heavy full mail / plate armor and a lance is a knight.
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Should I collect US army or marines for Vietnam? Already going for NVA instead of VC for the communist side. Not really interested in ANZACs, Koreans or ARVN
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>>93315480
That view of the middle ages/fall of Rome is quite outdated tbqh. Roughly somewhere in the 7th-8th.c (fall of the eastern empire to charlemagne) marks the end of Late Antiquity and the beginning of the early middle ages proper, the fall of western rome doesnt truly mark the immediate start of the middle ages, its a symbolic date but quite arbitrary. "Late Antiquity" is more appropriate because really the drastic changes after 476 come later, and its more a gradual process of change from the 3rd century onwards. I say the end of the "eastern empire", even though the byzantines survive until 1204, as Heraclius abolishes latin, the islamic invasion of the ERE causes the collapse of the model of classical urbanism (outside of constantinople) and causes the concentration of the empire to settle on one ethnicity alone (greek).

A mail shirt or lamellar cuirass isnt "heavy armour", although it is armour, the Bucelarii with bows didnt have armoured horses. The genuine cataphracts had at least a full length mail hauberk, in addition to arm and leg protection and a lamellar/scale cuirass, and their horse was at least frontally armoured. Both are armoured cavalry, but quite different. Its like how people call everything today a "tank", even when they're comparing an MBT to an IFV.

Frankish knights weren't contemporary with Bucelarii, they only really appear under Charlemagne with the use of the stirrup. Also by the time of plate armour, a heavy cavalryman wasnt neccessarily a knight (now it had become more of a social rank-with associated obligations), they're generally referred to as "men at arms" by contemporary sources, and historians.


>>93315474
This isnt as much about wargaming as it is about defining what a cataphract is and how the medieval greeks fought. The Cataphract was a heavily armoured cavalryman and the medieval greeks defined what equipment he should have, therefore that is very likely the equipment that medieval greek cataphracts did have.
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Speaking of knights, everyone should paint a knight army. Most fun I've had painting minis
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Is there a reason the American Civil War is popular among American wargamers beyond the historical importance? Looking at the battles there's nothing like Austerlitz or Waterloo. It's just armies of roughly equal size suffering roughly the same battle casualties which are in turn dwarfed by deaths from dysentery.
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>>93315845
Modern wargaming literally started in America for the Civil War due to American fascination with it. That fascination hasn't died in 50 years sense even as people shifted increasingly over to miniatures.
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>>93315845
I took American Military history and remember the Union having huge ass armies for at least half the war.
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>>93315845
>looking at the battles
>uses wikipedia box summaries
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>>93315845
It's their largest, most costly war ever? More casualties occurred in the ACW than all their other wars combined.
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>>93315482
pick whichever they basically look the same
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>>93309480
Speaking of Saga Age of Invasion, is that pdf available anywhere? The listed Saga tribe doesn't have it (or Age of Magic, Hannibal, or Alexander, for that matter).
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Anybody have Barons war or gangs of rome?
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>>93316987
Pdfs specifically
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>>93315845

also a massive media presence from basically the dawn of cinema up to the present day so everyone has some vague familiarity with it

same reason WW2 and to a lesser extent Napoleonics in europe are vey popular

>>93306883
way too different
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>>93316987
I have Baron's War, but its above the file size limit for 4chan, not sure what the preferred method is for sharing.
Against my better judgement i'll share my personal mediafire folder which has both the "Barons' War" rulebook and the Outremer expansion on it.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/0uuejwja4jqsr/Documents

>>93317153
Napoleonics are unironically the original tabletop wargame. ACW is a knock off of Napoleonic for Americans, as they werent historically relevant or much involved at that point in time. British audiences have little to no familiarity with the ACW outside of knowing which the two sides were, mostly because it gets brought up all the time by Americans arguing about politics. Continental audiences I can only speculate about, i'd bet a fair few no knowledge about it whatsoever, frankly theres not any reason for any of them to.
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>>93286410
IDK why, but I always liked this image. somthing about the composition. Its very shape like an arrow with all the bayonets pointed in one direction and the smoke just leaving the barrels after firing. The energy just comes to a point in a eye catching way. Also OFC the uniforms are on full display.
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>>93304369
330m is a lot in a 1:100 scale even if compressed or reduced to half range.
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>>93301329
I thought there were more cards, not many of those have blast or affect multiple targets to reduce parking lots, but I guess the morale loss and explosive blast of destroyed vehicles is kind of enough. Even then most reports stick their tanks together like if team yanke was a cronical brain disease.
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>>93306690
>>93306938
Vietnam is gay, just a bunch of drafted Boomers serving international elites interests and fighting peasants with 2 bullets shared between 5 men
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>>93318068
Do you mean a bunch of boomers serving international elites interests fighting peasents serving other international elites interests with 2 bullets shared between 5 men?
Sounds heterosexual as fuck. Asymmetric warfare is cool.
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>>93318570
Could even be an oprotunity to make public opinion an important part of gameplay. you might sweep, but if you put on a nasty show, you might get less funding for the next engagement.

desu, even outside of vietneam, PR is an underutilized mechanic. Though I can see why, can seem kinda detached from the nitty gritty. But even in stuff like the Crimean war, News outlets were a major effector of public support and policy.
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does anyone have any not shit pdfs/scans of Team Yankee? the ones in the op are bad enough im going to make my own scan of the core rules since I got the book at a good price
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>>93315845
Beards, basically
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>>93315845
Why would you even care about the 100 days? It’s either the first Italian campaign or from Ulm to Leipzig, minus the peninsular campaign.
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>>93315845
To be fair attritional deaths outnumbered casualties in battle up until WW1.
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>>93315899
That's a misrepresentation. The Civil War was only the most 'deadly american war' because people lump the Union and Confederate casualties in the same 'american' bin. And yeah- textually that's the case. But in terms of 'how many soldiers did the American Government lose' WW2 was much costlier.
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Best ACW naval ruleset? Looking at Hammerin Iron unless y'all have a better idea.

Also, these boats are adorably ugly.
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>>93317892
Very appreciated anon!

>>93317153
>way too different
I personally beg to differ but after FULLY looking through the differences between ww1 and 2 italians, the WGA ones are missing some of that ww1 flair , and still obviously feel like ww2, even IF alot of the ww2 italian weapons share similar silhouettes
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>>93318068
To be fair, the communists were kinda fucks. The Viet Cong were actually way worse than the NVA, though they basically ceased to exist after the Tet offensive, and the remnants were put under tighter control.

Anyway I don't think the US and South Vietnamese were really the good guys in the conflict, but that doesn't mean the communists weren't also fucks.
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What are some good ww1 wargames? i lean more twords skirmish style games but id just like to hear some ww1 recommendations desu
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>>93320230
what a completely fucking retarded post
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>>93316595
I saw it around here, it was mostly an ettrica or however you spell it, but for Arthur and Aetius
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>>93320221
Thank God for medicine. Allowing soldiers to die by hatred rather than disease.
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>>93315812
looks great! source on those foot knights?
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>>93320673
As an American it really was just a gigantic waste of lives for us my godfather got drafted and basically died for nothing. You can say communism is bad all you want but theres a reason we just couldn’t win and thats because nobody fucking liked the south. They were run a dictator who persecuted people who weren't catholics which were a minority among the Vietnamese not to mention the war only started because an american boat fired warning shots upon a vietnamese naval vessel and then thought they fired back (they didnt).

Oh and the US government had already secretly been sending in special forces years before to stomp out the communists. All this was purely because we wanted to prevent any governments from being communist which is extremely fucked up for a country that parades around freedom. Other fucked up shit the USA did was literally start drafting people with special needs to fill ranks and using agent orange to destroy the environment so the VC couldn’t hide which also gave a ton of servicemen health related issues. Don’t forget commanders pushing for useless attacks against worthless positions like hamburger hill.
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>>93321863
The main reason yall lost is the US thought they could somehow win without ever invading North Vietnam. They did so because they (probably rightly) feared it'd bring the now nuclear-armed China into the conflict, but without taking the north they were never going to be able to win
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>>93318593
That's exactly how Charlie Don't Surf works, you have a "political" victory meter that increases if you kill enemy combatants and achieve objectives and decreases if you kill civvies or media. Makes sense for Vietnam since it was to date the only heavily televised war (for good reason)
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Could WGA french partisans pass for inexperienced Greek civilian volunteers?
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>>93306938
Vietnam is an asymmetric conflict, so you have to play game systems that support that asymmetry and make it fun. Same with many of the late 20th C conflicts - Soviet-Afghan War, Chechnya, Iraq.

The fun of Vietnam gaming comes from the huge differences between the sides. VC/NVA know exactly where the US are, execute perfect ambushes, but then have to get the hell out before the US bring their overwhelming air and artillery support to bear.
If you read some first hand accounts like Comanche 6 (James Estep) or Jungle Dragoon (Paul D. Walker), you'll see that there's a very wide variety of different battles, from attempting to flush out VC from an area, to clearing massive bunker complexes, to VC/NVA attacks on firebases, to US units being completely surrounded and having to survive the night far away from reinforcements or air / artillery support. Then there's Hue and the more urban battles which were totally different again.

There's a very wide variety of different unit types too - Special forces waiting and watching the VC and calling in their positions, Light observation helicopters armed with miniguns being their own 1-man armies, Forward air controllers helping co-ordinate air assets, ANZACs being the most elite junglecrafters and teaching SAS a lesson or two about stealth. The patchy ARVN, with some very elite airborne troops, but mostly very reluctant to fight - might end up km away from where they're supposed to be holding the line.

I think with the right scenario set up and the right set of rules, any wargamer will enjoy an asymmetrical conflict, jut requires someone to talk them through why x unit is hiding in the jungle, and why y unit has B-52 bombers on standby, and why at the end of the day the guy in the jungle still won the game (evacuating casualties often being the most important metric for both sides - the VC preventing the US from getting any body count, and the US preventing soldiers from dying and eroding support for the war at home)
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Anyone know a good source for WW2 infantry STLs, ideally modular? Doesn’t matter which country
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>>93321863
>nobody fucking liked the south.
>please ignore how hard the ARVN fought in 1974-1975 to avoid being taken over by Hanoi
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>>93306690
It’s shit. It’s bolt action with a Vietnam war coat of paint slapped on. Not thematic or flavorful at all. You want a good Vietnam war game that recreates the tactics of the era, play Charlie Dont Surf
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>>93323126
>(for good reason)
That reason being people actually owned TVs and the military made zero effort to actually control where reporters went
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>>93320230
Both sides were American, retard.
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>>93321769
It's almost all fireforge stuff, only the leader minis are 3D-printed
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>>93306938
Maybe this one ends up being good.
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>>93321076
I know what you're talking about, and have downloaded it, but it's not what I was referring to, and I don't think they're interchangeable. There are two potentially relevant products for Saga 2E: (1) the brief changes and updated battleboards for Aetius and Arthur and (2) a complete setting book that acts as a replacement for Aetius and Arthur. My vague impression is that Aetius and Arthur + (1) is close, but not identical, to (2), for those armies that appear in both; (2) also adds Franks and Sassanids to the options.
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>>93323126
sounds neat.
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>>93320230
Both sides were American governments, retards. Neither the federal or confederate governments in the 1860s are anything related to the modern US government
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>>93328080
I think a factor of it too is if the Free World forces lose troops they lose political capital cos the people back home are mad, but the Vietnamese don't
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I will play with unpainted miniatures, and I will be happy
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>>93331640
>missing out on the best part of the hobby
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>>93320333
Not sure yet m8, Hammerin' Iron looks interesting and is well regarded, besides the difficulty in learning it and the thought of independently learning a Peter Pig ruleset doesn't fill me with glee
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>>93324904
And they lost in like a year despite all the training and equipment the US gave them to try and bring their army up to par dipshit. Obviously some fucking people supported the government but the overwhelming majority of people in vietnam preferred the north. Hence why its still a communist nation to this day even after the fall of the soviet union.
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>>93333615
They lost in a year because the USA taught them to fight a rich man's war, and they aren't a rich nation, so without spare parts and fuel and all the advantages of a superpower being in your corner, they were fucked.
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Does anyone have a more updated version of To The Strongest than the one that is in the Mega? The lists are updated regularly, but the version we have was last updated in 2020. There are new lists and changes made to the old ones as well, it would be interesting to see that. Same with rules. Appreciate any anon who can share
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Do Warlord's minis (especially their faces) actually look that bad, or is it just their webstore painting?
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are there any STLs out there for Hitler Youth/Volkssturm?
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>>93334122
Even just some really ragged/weary looking Germans would do it
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I’m looking for the items in the box set of Flashpoint: Golan. The rules are available but I haven’t been able to find the counters & charts? Maps, play aids, etc.
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>>93333966
Rules are updated via an 'Even Stronger' pdf that is available for free from bigredbatshop. Author has said that there'll be no more changes until a 2nd edition.
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>>93334021
I've painted loads from the Bolt Action range: they're fine. Some excellent, some poor, most pretty decent. Spotlight paintjobs often don't do them any favours since Warlord pays very little to have their figures painted for display (they're no 'Eavy Metal studio).
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>>93334021
The old stuff can be pretty rough but the newer stuff looks fine, especially if you don't bring out the heroic scale gorilla-ness by highlighting every detail
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Is the only German cavalry squad in BA the Waffen SS one?
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Muskets & Tomahawks game at the FLGS.

https://imgur.com/gallery/muskets-tomahawks-flgs-yA95iYC
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>>93339521
And since I'm looking at albums, bunch of historical stuff from the Richmond Open this year

https://imgur.com/gallery/ancient-medieval-virginia-open-2024-EOurbsR

https://imgur.com/gallery/ancient-medeval-part-2-virginia-open-2024-O4l0UBU
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Need ideas on how to source historical color schemes for this Outremer project. Also, can’t find historical sources for the Leader Templar for some reason.
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>>93340082
https://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Outremer
There isn't too much available but this should give you an idea. Just remember that most of these territories were lost after Hattin. Mix it up with knights coming in from Europe and crusader markings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_grand_masters_of_the_Knights_Templar&diffonly=true
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>>93340082
As you can see, red and yellow are common to the period.

However I would suggest Googling it or even getting a fucking clue before deciding you're doing a project.
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Would this paint work for that green jacket/smock WW2 Germans wore?
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>>93340447
Honestly yes, all my Russian tanks are apple green and idgaf.
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>>93340461
Noice. I'm just gonna use eshin grey for the trousers and helmet lmao. Dont wanna buy a ton of new vallejo paints
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>>93333615
>>93333883
They’re president literally fucked them up too with his incompetence. When the 75 offensive started, the president publicly went on the news and radio announcing to everyone that they would hold every bit of ground they could, but privately he gave his generals the go ahead to withdraw. This led to mass confusion as lower commanders didn’t know whether to fall back or stand and fight, which led to chaos that turned into a mass route
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>>93340596
Citadel paints are one of the only good things gw does lol, don't sweat it. Love their washes, can't be bothered with their games.
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>>93341028
Yeah I just wanna use one paint cos the thought of painting splinter camo for my fallschirmjager makes me want to kill myself
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>>93341223
I am a big fan of what I call "Hollywood historicals." As we all know Germans wear Grey and Green, the bastards!
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Hi all looking to start a Fall of France German force i'm on the search for some decent early war plastic German infantry, warlord seam to be the only place to do them. Does anyone know or recommend elsewhere?
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>>93341526
>plastic

your deserve the garbage you will usually get
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>>93341624
Stop being so silly anon
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>>93286410
Does anyone know of any companies that do 6mm napoleonic miniatures besides Baccus and Irregular Miniatures? Would like to make a 1:1 ratio battalion in 6mm but was wondering if there were other options for providers.

Ta in advance.
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Has anyone ever tried sculpting a horse caparison into a mini that doesn't have one? For my Crusades project I was going to ask Gripping Beast to send me Ghulam riders with Timurid horses, but apparently they don't fit with each other properly, which is disappointing. I'm thinking I'm going to order some Perry and GB Ghulams and sculpt greenstuff caparisons/horse armor without any previous experience... this is gonna be a nightmare
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>>93335805
Had no idea, thanks anon. I wish somebody shared the army lists at least, it's painful having to buy the two sets (Ancients and Medieval), but the author seems pretty nice and is so open to changing stuff from other people's suggestions (mainly lists) that I might even just buy one of the books to support him
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>>93343209
Adler is the third big 6mm dealer for Naps. Aside from those three there are 3d printable models, Henry Turner to name one, but basic "napoleonic french line infantry" variants are quite numerous as stls.
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>>93326716
I've been hearing indications from Saga Thorsday that Cataphract armor is in the new version of Age of Invasions...
>>93333615
The Viet Cong, the force that the FWF had spent over a decade fighting.. Was almost entirely just South Vietnamese. They got slaughtered during the Tet Offense and then the North Vietnamese showed up to invade once the Americans left.
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I just dusted off this little gem. It covers the entire waterloo campaign, and uses battalion level chits. The rules for combat, command and supply are simple but effective, amounting to a little over 10 pages altogether.

Is this the right place to blog my solitaire play? (I considered doing a thread directed play, but 1. it would potential overbear the thread and 2. I'd have no idea how to do it beyond the need for trips)
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>>93344025
>SPI
Take a yonder at this fossilfag over here.
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>>93344043
You ain't seen nothing yet, I have the OG squad leader prints.
Anyhow, as that doesn't answer my question I'll just go ahead. I'm sure people will screech at me if they don't like it.
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>>93343619
Yeah, Simon's a good guy. I did a battle report/review on a blog once and he sent me a bunch of mdf tokens out of the blue. Also, if you buy the army list pdf you'll get any updates via email.
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>>93343619
I got the lists from one of the links here and have been reading this this entire time. They are a valuable backup source for the wargame that I've been working on myself.
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>>93344025
probably more interest at /bwg
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>>93345226
Nta, but I have never understood the split. It is a similar interest (I post/lurk in both). This one even have ASL in the OP links. Just seems so dumb to splinter it like that, considering the post rate for both is ~2 posts an hour on a weekday. Next we'll subdivide it by era, then again by complexity, and then a couple more times so rveryone can solonpost in their own thread that caters to their exact niche, themselves.
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>>93332909
Yeah, without a blog going through a game, the rules would be pretty rough.

Got through a few minis, working on the Selma currently
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What store has the best pikes? Victirx? Perry? Etc etc...
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>>93340082
http://www.wappenwiki.org/index.php/Outremer
(click the text, the pictures aren't usually hyperlinked)

>>93343619
https://mega.nz/folder/tAY3WS6D#1MUxLybyBVnVi-1osWN7Fw

>>93346170
I like the steel ones.
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>>93346189
>I like the steel ones.
Any preference for a store?
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>>93345661
It was never a split of /hwg/
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>>93346813
I didn't say split of, I said split.
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>>93346170
Does Perry ship wire spears/lances for their miniatures?

>>93346189
>https://mega.nz/folder/tAY3WS6D#1MUxLybyBVnVi-1osWN7Fw
Thanks anon, but those are the 2020 Army lists which are in the OP, there are updated versions, one from late 2023, I think, and very recent ones from this month
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Anybody have or played Scouts Out? Im looking at some ww1 games and scouts out seems like one of the few skirmish ones i can find
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>>93343619
I am so glad that warband actually is good at something, which is it gets a free hero.
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>>93295382
I'm sorry I can't offer any help, but could you tell me what minis those are? And that's a gorgeous table.
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>>93344025
Nice, I'd be keen
there used to be more board wargames posted here
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>>93343599
I've done a little sculpting to up-armour Cadian renegades in my Warhammer days and with practice you can get acceptable results, and I daresay fabric might be easier than hard-edged stuff but it's a lot of area to frustrate you with mistakes and fingerprints. Wargames Atlantic does a box of horses if you feel like practising.

What made you interested in the crusades? A part of history you're into? Does the gameplay seem potentially interesting? The Warwick Kinrade rules struck me as intriguing and I think a friction heavy medieval system with the right treatment as well as differences in fighting styles, but that might be betraying my Hollywood level knowledge.
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>>93320658
No worries anon, i've sponged off of /tg for rulebooks and warhammer books for years, so its nice to be able to share something in return.
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>>93340082
Use the wappenwiki link that the other anon posted, each lordship has its own link.
The best ones are:
Blois
Aleramici
Grenier
Courtenay
Ibelin
Bethune
Milly
Termonde
St Omer
I wouldnt bother with Guines unless you have a decal, i've tried that and similar ones, its not fun. Gibelet/montfort with the lions are hard, unless you have decals those will take a lot of time, worth trying though. If you're bored then doing a coat with ermines is always an interesting challenge.

My favourite rolls for coat of arms are the "Dering roll" and the "Zurich armorial". Knights came from absolutely everywhere in latin christendom, so dont be afraid to mix and match, just choose things you like the look of and can feasibly paint.
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>>93343599
Oh you're that guy, lmao.
Its the same principle as making a greenstuff cloak, except you're making four of them for every horse. If you want a caparison that goes over the neck and head as well then good luck, that is too much bother imo.
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>>93347735
I think the mat looks like a Deep Cut Studios beach mat - I've got one that I used for D-Day gaming.
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>>93343209
Try Heroics & Ros for 6mm
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>>93345226
Thanks, I was in the catalog and filtered on war for wargaming, so that didn't show.
>>93348362
I'll be over in the /bwg/ general ojce I get started, for now I am setting up the chits.
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How big should I make my late War German squads in BA?
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>>93347735
I think they're all Gripping Beast.
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I'm thinking I want to do a small scale large battle Spanish civil war project. I'm not sure what scale to do or who to get from, but small enough to have a biplane or two, tanks and armored cars, and lots of infantry without crowding the table. Any suggestions?
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>>93348566
I certainly am. I've found a couple of examples online which look pretty good (pic related), so I'll maybe try and do something like this. As you're mentioning, doing one that goes over the neck and head would be impossible, although maybe I can sculpt a leather chamfron pretty easily over the horse's head.

>>93348414
It certainly is a part of history I'm into. When I was a kid I used to visit my grandmother very often, and she had a ton of old books, one of which had short story adaptations of a few historical figures' most notable actions/feats. I remember reading El Cid, Roland, Leonidas, the Black Prince, Arthur, and many others. One of those stories was Saladin's (Richard the Lionheart was there too, I think, as an opponent who still came across as heroic), and I really loved reading about him. Many years after that I discovered historical wargaming (I started with GW's WHFB), and for the longest time I wanted to have an Ayyubid army, but never had the money. Now I finally do. I don't even know what rules I'm going to be playing (interested in Impetus, FoG, TtS!, ADLG for now), but I know I'll be painting that army. Now I'm waiting for my Footsore order to arrive, and theorizing on how to turn Perry or GB Ghulams into late 12th or early 13th century mamluks. During the research I've become more and more interested in the Mamluks and their dinasty themselves, so now an entirely new war theater is open
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>>93352514
This might give you some ideas
http://www.orkneywargames.com/category/modern-periods/spanish-civil-war/
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>>93353743
I love that blog. 28s are too much for this project, I've already done a bunch of 28mm projects and I wanted to try something different.
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what minis and rules would be suitable for the nordic bronze age and by extension conflicts along the european tin, copper and bronze trade network?
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>>93354044
I'm thinking minairons 15mm. Anyone here ever have any experience with them?
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>"Dark Ages Lessons"---

In order to nurture my sanity and allow me to retain dense, hard to parse (Read/understand) information I've read. I am starting a half-assed "Dark Ages Post of the day thing".

You obviously don't have to read these if you don't want to. Posts will be around the size of like five tweets and contain a summary of information I try to make remotely interesting.

>Lesson One Context:

The Franks were a Germanic people from the other side of the Rhine (Big ass river that divides civilized areas conquered by Romans and Germanic places that were still in semi-nomadic clan structure. It's serves as part of the East/West border for Germany and France today.)
They (The Franks) conquered the northern half of what is now France. This king called Clovis, from around 450-500~, converted to Christianity, proceeded to savagely savagely subjugate his neighbors, and formed the Merovingian dynasty.

See that orange looking place called Aguitaine? That was ruled by the West Goths (Visigoths), to the right is the Burgundians. That pale place to the right of that is the East Goths (Ostrogoths). These are all barbarian Germanic people from the other side of the Rhine.
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