I stand with Davion.

Which it be your preferred non-Clan medium mech of the 40-tonne weight?

>>93345954
Right, but there’s no cheap “improved weapon” equivalent in BT. You won’t see insurgents strapping bombs to drones and sending them at battlemechs or creating their own gunpowder bombs because such weapons would be useless against a battlemech.

>>93345979
Assassin or Whitworth. I'd rather bring an Assassin over a bug any day.

How many of those unit painting guide PDFs have been released? And do we have them here?

>do they suck?

>>93345979
Either of the energy Sentinels, probably. He's a cool little lad.

>>93345993
industrialmechs

>>93345979
Whitworth. He's a cool lil guy.

Take your cartoon waifu and slap her into a faction. Speak, who is she?

>>93346030
Industrialmechs are tools of desperation. It’s like taking a technical, slapping some sheet metal on it, and hoping it will somehow last against a tank.

>>93345898 #
They did go back and make the Stalker 9F to compensate for the Stalker II being a perilously unstable nightmare machine.
They became independent one year too late to get credit for the Hermes II 7S, the best Hermes II ever made at a nice affordable 28 million C-bills. Presumably they did have the three prototypes that were manufactured for most of their existence though.
Other than that, they do have the HER 7A, which is an okay mixtech model.

Regulus mogs them hard on the battlemech front. The only thing Regulus doesn't really have are light mechs, but they have multiple fast mediums along with powerful heavies and assaults, and even homegrown BA.

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>>93345979
Raptor II because it's like a cooler looking Raven.

>>93345979
I do enjoy my Hermes II. Some of its variants almost approach the dizzying heights of mediocrity!

>>93346121
>So have single PBI's with rifles
Bullshit. Infantry have to have AAA equipment to engage a dropship unless it's on the ground. Infantry can literally never hit a dropship with a rifle. Learn the game rules before saying stupid shit

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Swap any two planets or regions in BattleTech. How much will the new neighbors suffer from the change?

>>93346171
>Bullshit. Infantry have to have AAA equipment to engage a dropship unless it's on the ground. Infantry can literally never hit a dropship with a rifle. Learn the game rules before saying stupid shit
Why do you think that rule exists? It wasn't in the old versions of the rules.

>>93345993
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.

>>93345979
Clint or Cicada.

>>93346015
they are free i think 5 have been released

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>>93346232
Swap Canopus and Terra. Now everyone has catgirls. We've got the Republic of the Catgirl. We've got Kerensky taking all the calicos and his tard son making an even furrier cult about it. We've got mechacatgirls with all of their limbs amputated getting shoved into protomechs by the Nyan of Blake.

fluffwise, had the helm memory core even made the states possible to mass-produce the mechs again? think i heard that the battles and war became large scale mechgrinding attrition after 3028, but not sure it is thanks to the helm or not

>>93345979
Cicada 3G. It's like a Spider that also brought a real armor slab and an ERLL

>>93346087
To be fair, we are talking about insurgents.
>Just who do these fuckers think they are?
>Another technical cooks off-- with less than half a ton of ammo on board for the bed-mounted AC/2, they can't even explode properly
>Another spattering of man-portable small lasers and SRM/1s from your left
>A swipe of your arm through the face of the office building quiets it down-- for now, at least
>You're in a goddamn Wolverine, after all; there's nothing these shithead fucking bumpkins can do to you
>Something peeks you; probably more fucking technicals with their hit-and-fade
>Goddamn tired of this
>Jumpjet after them to finish off this picket
>Huh, landed heavier than you thought
>Suddenly, explosions
>IEDs?
>The street gives way, and one of the smaller office buildings topples over top of you
>Damage minimal, other than the ringing in your ears, but you're stuck in a pit and half-buried in rubble
>Left leg actuator's stuck, but it's no problem, it'll just take you a minute to work your way free from the debris
>What's that motor sound?
>A figure emerges from the cloud of smoke
>Skinny and run-down; probably some kind of nigger-rigged militia shitmech
>You trade AC/5s; its splashes against your side torso, while yours rips its gun-arm clean off
>Its other arm comes into view as it circles to your weak side
>The Lumberjack salutes you with its chainsaw, before kneeling beside you and slowly, carefully guiding it straight at your cockpit

>>93346439
Yes but:
Helm gave instructions useful for rebuilding/refurbishing factories. It also encouraged investing in rebuilding infrastructure necessary for mech creation. And it also encouraged the Great Houses to stop warring for a bit while they built up a supply of mechs that used the new tech.
The other half of the equation was the Clans. Remember: massive amounts of Helm weren't usable/didn't make sense until the researchers got a look at Clantech and vintage SLDF machinery. Think of it a bit like a Rosetta Stone. And the Clan Invasion got the IS to lay off raiding each other for a decade with the general economic efficiency boost that comes with having a unified cause.

So,
>would the IS have been producing mechs at the same rate without helm?
Yeah
>would Helm have been as much help without the Clans
Nah

>>93346474
I support whichever give the Capellans more trouble.

>>93346439
The 4th war was the product of many years of planning and was purely a change in doctrine. The Suns and Lyran simply took a huge gamble after a long lull that paid off. the Helm industry improvements don't start kicking in until five to ten years after that war finished, and simply added to an existing trend.

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>>93346511

>>93346479
well, i mean unlike the 3rd succ war which was centered around small scale, local raids with a few mechs and stuff, starting from the 4th succ war at 3028 the ronin wars, 3039 wars and shits were full scale war at all fronts. was wondering what made it possible

>>93346576
The only people who actually play Battletech, ignore the terminally online losers, are fat 40-50 year old men and skinny, nervous 20 year olds.

>>93346576

If you are only engaging with Battletech in online spaces, you are a secondary. What matters most is if you play IRL, and what those people are like.

>>93346670
There's always Wolfnet.

>>93346670
Listen, buddy, I'm going to give you some actual advice. Find out if there are any Local Game Stores in your area where people play battletech, go to their websites and check if they have a weekly/monthly battletech night, if you don't see one send them an email inquiring about that if you're a scaredy cat, or drop by in person and talk to some of the staff regular if you're not. It's only "worth" getting into Battletech if you can find people to play with or convince your friends (you do have IRL friends, right?) to play with you. If there's no local battletech scene, then you might as well just continue enjoying the secondary stuff and maybe play megamek.

>>93346575
The third war still had multi regiment invasion forces going after specific worlds, just not many truly grand offensives across dozens or hundreds of worlds at a time.

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>>93346684
Why would you say that?

>>93346832
Don't worry, since battletech is growing the people kicked off the OF/etc. are being replaced by thousands of people every day who will never know the difference.

>>93346832

If you're this easily triggered, intimidated and flustered, I'm not sure any hobby that ideally involves real world interaction is a good idea for you.

>>93346832
The vast majority of the books should be fine, to be honest I haven't read the latest books but there's like 50 novels that are good to go.

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>>93346611
As a 37 year old recently previously fat man, I resent that remark!

>>93346871
See? This is the difference between the generations. If you were five years older you'd joke that you resemble that remark.

>>93345979
Another vote for the Cicada.

I once had a Cicada 3F successfully solo a Grasshopper by closing in using speed and terrain to avoid incoming fire, then getting in its rear arc and putting an ER PPC up its ass.

why is the large lager so bad, or at least inefficient?

>>93346901
LL is fine. you get more damage per ton than the PPC. It's when you ER them and the ERPPC gets like 6 extra hexes while the ERLL actually LOSES hexes at max range that you get a problem.

>>93346896

This is barely a problem for people who aren't secondaries though.

>>93346901
1:1 heat/damage, only 8pts of damage so it can't go internal on most headshots.

>>93345979
Tie between the Clint, Scarecrow, Yurei and the Initiate.

I would throw the Kontio in there in my top spot but its in a really weird place.

>>93346901
the large laser is fine in a pre-3050s game.

It's got a better damage-to-tonnage ratio than a standard PPC, with almost as good of a maximum range and no minimum range.

While it's absolute ass compared to the medium laser in terms of damage-to-tonnage or even damage-to-heat, there aren't many options for a long range energy weapon before the Clan era.

>>93346352
Modern armies are heavily reliant on logistical supply lines, battlemechs aren't. Modern vehicles can be easily disabled even by improvised explosives, battlemechs can't. Modern infantry is the king of rough terrain like mountains and forests IRL, in Battletech the battlemechs have replaced them in that role.

>>93347010
Battlesmechs are "Less" reliant.

>>93345979
Cuirass

>>93347032
Tell me more, Robinson man.

trying to plan out my vehicle pool for my Succesion War Great Houses, how's this look for general rule of thumb outside of more rare stuff or stuff that gets introduced late succ or post helm?

Harasser and Galleon as light tanks
Pegasus as speedy hover battle tank
Bulldogs as main battletanks
Goblins as IFVs
Demolisher for heavy stand-ins for battlemechs during Late Succ
LRM/SRM Carriers as fire support
Maxim as a fancy troop transport
some kind of generic APC to represent no name APC units or the mechanized part of mechanized infantry
I'm trying to aim for a company of mechs and company of vees for my Marik Militia, then see what other factions I want to give a similar collection to, and am trying to be as common as possible so that I can justify my autism no matter what theater I play on, no matter what time period ulduring the succession wars.

Oh my god shut the fuck up

>>93347037
That's the nature of monarchism.

is the new clanner star league going to exterminate all of the wolverines on earth?

>>93347238
The Wolverine is a pretty common mech

Hey guys I've been thinking of making a Klan Mod for my mechs. Any ideas how to attach tiny hoods to them?

>>93347291
I'd assume you'd have to use greensuff and model the pointed hoods by hand. But I feel like there are very few mechs that would look good with a Klan hood on their heads. Like, a Catapult with a little white cone perched over the cockpit would just be silly as fuck.

>>93347334
You think so? I'd have to plan it out, make it nice. Think the Banshee would look good with it?

>>93347291
Commando, Firestarter especially, Atlas, maybe the Griffin, these could work.

Also the Urbanmech just to piss off all the NPCs spewing Urbanmech memes.

>>93347365
I'd assume it was a dunce hat.

>>93347365
New High Assault Technology or H.A.T., provides better technical information than before, and allows for camouflage in forested environments. It provides 1 points of armor to the Head.

>>93347370
They're one and the same.

>>93347334
BRB modifying a Hatchetman to be wielding a burning cross LOL

>>93347370
>>93347381
You can actually *see* how they're receiving their witty comments from the same circlejerk. Nature is truly amazing.

Anyone know where I can find Onslaught: Tales from the Clan Invasion!? Its not in the trove and theres some short stories I want to read from it.

>>93347669
Maybe proofread your sentences before trying to talk smack, friend.

>>93347595
Sorry bro, I don't care how much you hate niggers, if you put a white cone on an urbanmech I'm going to assume it says dunce on it.

>>93347676
Seeing words and images that don't exist is a hallmark of several different mental illnesses, anon. You can assume as you please, stick your head in the sand as deep as you like. Won't change a thing.

>>93347654
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-onslaught-tales-from-the-clan-invasion

It’s $5 you cheapskate.

>>93347676
I bet you think a swastika is merely a windmill too, eh?

>>93347690
Your little cones don't even exist, dummy. Imagine an apple right now. Rotate it in your head. Do not speak to me again if you cannot imagine that in color.

>>93347696
You got made fun of for drawing a swastika backwards so it's the buddhist version instead of the nazi one, huh? It's okay buddy, we all need to attempt to learn sometimes.

Looking for paint scheme ideas for a pirate band. My main idea is something akin to the order of the faithful, kakhi mechs with a bunch of wear and paint chipping. But I was also thinking maybe something like an olive green, with wear and tear.

>>93347697
"I shall make an irrational, unverifiable demand. That will show him! And it will prove how mentally stable I am, while I'm at it!"

Uh huh. Do cubes and icosahedrons not exist, since we're denying the concept of geometry now for some reason known only to you?

>>93345962
The Rebrandly link for BTMags and BTdrop needs to be gutted. The BTMags file is completely empty.

>>93347714
>cones being klan hoods is a geometric fact
Uh huh.

>>93347726
You're the one saying cones don't exist, anon.

I know some of the Megamek people at least lurk here and I refuse to Discord to drop the idea over there, but would it be possible to create a snatch and grab mission where there are ejected pilots on the map at mission start?

>>93347727
No, I said your cones don't exist. And they probably never will. But if they did, they'd look like dunce hats at tabletop distance. Probably also up close since you'd half-ass it.

>>93347733
Yes? As I understand it can only be done with a bit of a work around, since you can't select pilots from the unit list you'd have to save and load a unit roster from a previous game with ejected pilots.

>>93347712
US olive drab highlighted up to khaki would look pretty smexy I think.

It's that time of the evening again.

>>93347799
you'd think they'd just fuck and get it over with already

>>93347845
I hope it turns out to be just one guy arguing with himself.

>>93346234
Lol, lmao

>>93345993
There are two canon vbied units in BT that I know of, the Bullet Suicide Drone and the BFFL Drone Bomb. The Bullet is a converted Guardian conventional fighter and the BFFL is a hover truck loaded with MG ammo.

>>93347695
>Giving CGL Money.


No.

Is there a good mission repository for Classic?

>>93347880
bt missiles should be filled with mg ammo

>>93347903
If you mean scenarios and stuff bunch of stuff in the Trove and its not that hard to convert the older stuff.

>>93347961
What should I look for in there?

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Do you think the clans could have ever been steered in a direction that didn't end up lame?

Like, I mainly know them from the Field manuals onwards, but I went back and read the original Wolf sourcebook, and it's wildly different. Clan Wolf actually seems cool in it instead of boring. Clan Wolf warriors practice religions, study other languages, seem to have a Russian flair to them, freely adopt the cultures of clans they respect like Goliath Scorpion and Blood spirit, and have interesting rituals and customs. They seem like an interesting villain, or at least anti-villain faction.

Then you skip ahead 20 years and its "they are Clan Wolf, they are Wolf, and they win." It's kinda similar to how fucked the Capellans got by Xin Sheng.

>>93347979

Everytime you see people complaining about today's hackneyed writers, just remember that they come from a long line of failures. Battletech writers have been screwing the pooch and then not getting paid since like 1990

>>93347979
>clanhater anon to the white courtesy phone please, clanhater anon white courtesy phone

>>93347979
Most of the most irritating things about the clans are baked into their earliest lore, though. All subsequent writers were stuck with the idea of a small group of smug morons who still pose a major threat to all other human civilization.

What mechs can I use in tandem with the berserker? It's difficult, at least for me, to build a lance I like around the big brute

>>93347965
Anything in the FASA/FanPro folder is pretty much old and what your looking for.

>>93348082
Faster mechs that can flush things out and flank or block exits. Like a Phoenix Hawk or something, jump behind the enemy and make it difficult for them to run.

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>>93348033

You'd think that even if it got worse, it would at least be more interesting. Most settings fail because they eventually fly off the rails. Battletech writing is weird in that it seems to be mandating that nothing interesting can happen.

>Hey, there might be more to the Clans -
No there isn't.
>Not even Nova Cat?
They're dead
>What about -
Wars of Reaving
>Wars of Reaving? Oh you mean with that cool -
Society, and yes, they're dead.
>Well at least there's always the WoB
It's dead
>Well at least there's OG Comstar
It's dead
>Hey, the Cappies have a lot of interesting fluff to them -
They're ching-chong Space China now
>Really? Well, maybe St. Ives -
Everyone now loves being Ching Chong Space China
>Well I guess if I want my minor faction struggling for independence there's always the
Rasalhague loves the Bears, there is no problem there
>Well how did all Teddy's changes in the Combine go?
They didn't, Black Dragon happened.
>Okay, screw the clans, how about the Periphery? Have the Marians become a threat yet? Did they get in any more wars with Circinus?
Marian Hegemony fractured, Circinus is dead, but Marians won't take that world. All the cool pirates and bandits are double-dead.
>Can I at least have LAMS?
Fuck you

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>>93348071

Well yeah, the Clans are the new villains for that period where the Cappies were fucked and the Dracs were liberalizing.

But to be fair "smug morons who pose a major threat to all other human civilization" literally describes every Great House, and wide swaths of ComStar to boot.

>>93348097
>War never changes, politics never changes, and all empires eventually fail. Except if they're so big they can mount multiple redundant efforts against common enemies.

Why no Hexapod mechs?

>>93348109
A group that uses advanced tech to compensate for a small population and is smug about the power that gives them makes sense as a villain archetype.

A group of barbarians that throws their entire society into glorifying warriors to the point where winning a knife fight with your CO is a valid way of getting promoted also makes sense as a villain archetype.

It does not make sense for those to be the same society. The seams of the plot become visible when you start thinking about how such a society could possibly function, let alone succeed in a conflict with industrial states hundreds of times their size.

>>93346479
The retcons put Helm core tech into use by the early 3040s, with numerous new models in production before the clans really hit. the Orion 1-M is in production by 3049. the Phoenix Hawk 3D and 3M are both in production in 3048. He'll, the Phoenix Hawk 3S is produced from 3042 onwards. The Caeser is another 3049 mech. so, we've got XL, endo, ER ans pulse, DHS, all back in production by all the major players before the clans make it to the IS proper.

>>93348174
Too many limbs for one brain. Bipeds and quads have the same number as humans, so it's easy to subconsciously balance even if you have to think in terms of all fours. Tripods are pushing it and operate best with a separate gunner so the pilot can focus on remaining upright.

>>93348195
Would the Clans have done better had the Helm core not been found before the invasion, do you think?

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>>93348097
That wins a heartfelt chuckle anon

>>93348206
Why not make a mech that doesn't need the human brain, or at the very least tie two legs to another pair?

>>93348174
What possible benefit would a hexapodal mech confer over a quad? Give it arms and hands? There’s already cheaper and simpler bipedal mechs that can lift and carry.

>>93348109
It's rather silly to pretend generic space monarchies are anywhere near as stupid as the collection of writing that had absolutely zero thought put into it that is clan society.
The great houses can function using the precedent of feudal societies working before, but everything we know about the clans indicates they should have collapsed long before they ever even invaded the inner sphere.

>>93348244
Because the human brain being the X-factor that makes mechs work is a core conceit of the setting. The neurohelmet allows your brain (and particularly your sense of balance) to smooth out all the little mechanical hiccups that just being a robot would have. A mech can walk without a human brain. With multiple tons of drone equipment it can even fight at a level comparable to a rank amateur. But with neither of those things, it cannot remain upright while running, dodging, getting hit, crossing water, crossing rough ground, etc.

>>93348252
Ultimate bear hug, and galloping nonsense.

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>>93348244
WoB did that and they're not very good. More specifically, the mechs are fine, AI "pilots" are just really bad at operating mechs. They're much better in aircraft.

>>93348097
What about the Aurigans?
>Retconned into existence only to dissolve and be eaten by the 3040s
Oh

>>93348252
even more PSR bonuses.

>>93348097
>carl's stone cold lock of the century of the succession war

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>>93348287
Sometimes the solution to a problem is worse than the problem itself.

>>93348284
The Aurigans continuing to exist would muck up the existing canon of that region of space. Mostly because they didn't factor into the Canopian/Taurian joint plans at all and probably wouldn't have been happy about suddenly being pincered by Taurians while also losing their buffer against Canopians.

>>93348316
that's a price a 4/5 ex-stalker II pilot is willing to pay

>>93348244
Why not simply learn to all get along so warfare is no longer necessary? They stopped using nukes, why not stop using mechs and military forces altogether? That way the military budget can go to feeding the hungry, treating the ill, and housing the unhoused?

>>93348339
Didn't we do that for a while?

>>93348277
The ones in Ghosts of Obeedah are better. Clear the WOB is still working on their OS.

>>93348341
Nah, ‘fuck the poor’ has been the elites’ mantra for all of human existence and I don’t see it changing by the time someone says “what the galaxy needs now is a tank, but on legs”.

>>93348318
I find it really hard to believe many players are so attached to the New colony region/Fronc Reaches storyline they wouldn't be okay with some slight additions. Doing "poochie died on his way back to his home planet" shit is obnoxious.

>>93348405
Yeah that need two or three people to operate. You may now start making jokes comparing your penis to a third leg, if you wish.

>>93348405
how many pilots do tripods have

>>93348184
>>93348254

The thing is Clanner society clearly doesn't work in universe either.

Every successful clan is the one that basically ignores some or all of their supposed societal rules.

The Wars of Reaving basically happen because the ratio of non-retarded to retarded within the clan homeworlds was fatally skewed, and basically proves clan society can't work.

>>93348363
Maybe they shouldn't have put Poochie in the path of an oncoming plotline. Coulda stuck them on the far side of the Taurians. Then the DC feeding them weapons could be explicit and Tortuga could pirate shuffle their way into the plot.

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>>93348405
See the tripods have more than one pilot to justify that, but then why couldn't you do that with six limbed mechs?

>>93348455
one pilot controls all the limbs on a tripod

>>93348467
all the legs*
the arms are handled by another

>>93348277
God I want a mini of that.

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>>93348476
Boy, do I have a spindly piece of ralladium for you.

>>93348442
They aren't in the path of a major plotine, They are in a bit of space that no one ever claims. Any new material that goes over the regional history could easily add a few paragraphs about how the Aurigans were there also, just offscreen. It's not as if the meta plot focuses much on that space anyway.

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>>93348495
The fact that the Taurians invested a bunch of materiel and military units through that area is plot relevant. The fact that they claimed a place right on their doorstep as their own territory is a big plot. So you think the any faction would just let their neighbor claim all the space on the far side of themselves while also arming their new holdings by sending their military straight through?

>>93348277
>>93348486
How does this dinkey thing work? Are the laser sponsons supposed to be arms? Can it flip arms?

>>93348486
I wonder how the RotS remote operated models ended up on the mercenary MUL.

>>93348363
The problem is that they chose basically the only stretch of the Periphery where anything actually happens.

I get why: it has 3 SucStates and 2 major Periphery powers in a small zone; nowhere else gets you more than 2+1.

But it's still annoying.

>>93348486
Cool. This looks like something that a real military would actually build.

>>93348520
It's a quad without any particular quirks or equipment for that, so the "arms" are just fixed panels and cannot flip or articulate.

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>>93347979
>Do you think the clans could have ever been steered in a direction that didn't end up lame?
With better art, more violence, and more sex, yes, absolutely. Really play up the angle of "live fast, die young, leave your genetic legacy". But FASA decided that they wanted to market to children, and modern CGL is run by puritan Mormons who don't think sex should be allowed to exist.

>>93348437
>Every successful clan is the one that basically ignores some or all of their supposed societal rules.
Jade Falcon was notable for following those rules more than anyone else, and was immensely successful from day 1, through the Golden Century, through the invasion, and right up until the point where they totally abandoned the Clan societal and combat rules under Mad Malvina and got all but annihilated for it.

>>93348565
sibkos are already child sex parties with pedo instructors, you dumb coomer
clan warriors think it's shameful to survive to the age of 30
they decide important issues through trial by combat
how do you know so little about the clans

>>93348590
Yes, those things are basically true, though you're inferring that all instructors are like Joanna when the novels make it EXTREMELY clear that she was an abnormal instructor.

But what I'm saying is that they didn't go far enough with those things. They should have gone farther.

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>>93348594
>the solution to the clans' bad writing was to make them even more retarded than they already are with even worse writing

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>>93346065
>Take your cartoon waifu and slap her into a faction. Speak, who is she?
>Lisa Hayes
Pretty much unchanged, let's be real.
>Aisha Clan-Clan
Jade Falcon Trueborn with a chip on her shoulder a mile wide, piloting pretty much anything with talons
>Lina Inverse
Insecure ex-Star League LAM pilot who's delivered about 50 nukes too many and has another one in the bomb bay as we speak.

>>93347880
TBF the Buffalo is acknowledged in and out of universe as a massive shitpost.

>>93348228
Absolutely. The factory restorations and massive improvement in medical tech and general quality-of-life in the IS (not to mention recovering fusion reactor tech, which was rapidly slipping) were by far the most important parts of the Helm core. It let people rebuild terraforming equipment. Water purification became widespread again, when in the 3000s there was literally jump circuits of people doing horrendously dangerous shit with drive envelopes to move entire icebergs between planets. The weapons tech extrapolated off of the Helm core was the least important thing pulled out of it, and the fiction acknowledges that pretty consistently.

What is a good mech to pilot while incredibly high? Asking for a friend.

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>>93348588
All clans are chalcas dezgra ass cowards compared to the uncompromising stupidity of the smoke jaguars.

>>93348604
Here is what I would do with the clans.
>Have them recognize that the Inner Sphere will never attain the level of honor that they expect out of each other, so they decde to change.
>Zell only between eachother, Star League military tactics on the IS.
>Set up factories across the Inner Sphere territories they hold, fortify them, and allow for units to be shared across each other for the sole purpose of taking over the IS.
>With factories open and churning out high quality mechs, parts, and no doubt training even the Freebirths they have to be soldiers, mechwarriors, etc., and treating them better, they finally have an army to fully take on the Inner Sphere.
Of course, this would've been if ilClan era never happened. I don't like how Alaric Ward took over Earth.

>>93348518
"Lady Arano had been wary of the Taurians ever since her youth, when they supported the uncle that had usurped her and even fought by his side during her restoration war. Jeffery Calderon, having only been briefed on the truth of the events in question when he became Protector, was extremely apologetic. It took several diplomatic visits to Coromodir, letters of introduction from Emma Centrella and a number of trade concessions before the Taurians were allowed to freely transit Coalition space, and he was unable to get the Aurigans to become stakeholders in the new colonies."

>>93348674
Yeah I don't care what stupid shit they came up with to justify it. It never should have happened and you aren't going to convince me otherwise.

>>93348674
>freely transit
>with military assets for the express purpose of turning the entire other side of your space border into more taurus
So what you're imagining here is an "Aurigian Reach" that is objectively a Taurian puppet state with no integrity as a state. You are not describing a sovereign state here.

>>93348567
It doesn't actually. The fully autonomous version the wob used would have had Non-Standard Parts and then gained Obsolete. The remote controlled version used by the RotS and apparently Ilclan era mercenaries has Improved Communications that I'm not sure does anything at all given what happens when it gets jammed.

>>93348699
You think sovereignty means mindlessly attacking all of your neighbors and never letting them transit your territorial waters under any circumstances?

>>93348674
Okay, what do they do when the Taurians start going full gestapo in the New Colony Region and start paranoidly pointing their pincer formation military at both sides of the Aurigan border because there could be Davions anywhere?

>>93348715
Gee I dunno, sounds like interesting fodder for a story of some kind, doesn't it? Maybe there could even be some low level clashes, with say 4 mechs a side.

>>93348714
>transit
>the military freely through your jump points for the express purpose of expanding what parts of the map are taurian brown
I don't think you know what transit means. Freely moving your military into your neighbor's jump points whenever you'd like is a lot more than just having civilian traffic that can cross the border. What you're describing here is like the relationship between Russia and Belarus.

>>93348604
just make their retardation have consequences. deciding affairs of state by honor duels doesn't produce effective leaders or politicians, it promotes thugs who are good in a cockpit and at nothing else.

>>93346322
>So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Yeah except most planets don't have space travel capability and thus are completely incapable of hitting the enemy where they're weak.

>>93348642
We're going to stick you into something with tracks and no arms. Anything else would be too expensive of a loss. I hope you like space tanks.

>>93348721
And now you're fucking with canon. But Fronc still exists. These Aurigans must be terminally isolationist to let nearly hostile military units freely come and go while a brand new nation pops up in an area that they would have benefited from being empty.

>>93348727
If jump points were like land borders piracy and deep raids wouldn't exist. Also the foundation of new colonies would be a primarily civilian effort with some protection from national military forces.

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>>93348284
>3040
haha i wish

>>93348740
Yes, I am quite that my FRIEND, will be disappointed he can't drive the walking nuke.

>>93348758
Jump points are not international waters. They are extremely national, and securing them as best you're able is a priority for everyone who has more than one planet. Raiders have to jump around empty systems to try and hit deeper targets precisely because they can't freely come and go at any jump point they'd please. The feddies don't watch a drac fleet jump in and just shrug their shoulders and let it go because it hasn't made for landfall yet.
We know exactly how the New Colony's military situation worked. The Taurians put a lot of military in that region.

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>>93348770
what's happening in ilclan tho

>>93348807
There might be a revival movement. It's not like those worlds got purged of life, it's just the interstellar government that fell apart. Local governments are all still there and know their shared history.

>>93348588
Basically not true. Jade Falcon after being confronted with tradition and pragmatism only chose tradition in the beginning. Then they get their ass beat on Twycross and lost at Tukayyid (even there arguably they focused on pragmatism, Aidan's contribution to the Tukayyid plan was to commit to a single deceive operation, rather than piece-meal attacks. tempo matters in war) after that, they focused on pragmatism over tradition. That was pretty much the core of their conflict with the homeworld clans in the War of Reaving.

>>93348787
They don't shrug their shoulders but in a lot of systems they take so long to get to the jumpships can be gone by the time any reaction force arrives. In any case it's a plot point in the HBS games that the Taurians stop being hostile to the aurigans partway through the war.

>>93348832
NTA, but your mostly ignoring his point that CJF were the traditionalist "clan harder" clan, and were quite successful for the 200 years prior to what you're talking about. That does count for something.

And while I agree with you about Tukayyid, an honest observation wouldn't count Twycross. That's a trap that literally anyone would have fallen into simply by virtue of moving through a canyon. Zell didn't matter in that instance, Kai would have gotten the same kill ratio simply by falling back a bit and detonating the canyon a bit later. The Great Gash was the way from point A to point B, CJF needed to go from point A to point B, and getting a canyon dropped on them had nothing to do with zell or honor or their own lack thereof. Your argument is stronger if you drop Twycross entirely.

>>93348855
It's also a plot point that the Taurians became hostile to everyone after Grover Shraplen becomes Protector. At which point they'd have the Aurigans in a dangerous strategic pinch while also moving enforcement goons with arrest quotas to "hunt Davions" in the New Colony Region.

>>93348807
We'll know in IKEO.

My expectation: Coromodir is just outside the claimed territory of the Fronc reaches, and about half the formerly Aurigan Coalition planets are now Fronc. I figure IKEO will mention Coromodir, ruled by one of Kamea's descendants, joining Fronc and possibly convincing other Aurigan worlds to join up as well.

>>93348871
I'm not even sure Fronc would want them. Not that they're bad worlds to have, but Fronc has been looking outward and doing some light terraforming into the deep periphery.

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>green pigeons

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>>93348885
Also hot damn is that a planetary flag. Who the fuck would go to Canopus when Kooken's Pleasure Pit is right there?

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>>93346087
>>Take your cartoon waifu and slap her into a faction. Speak, who is she?
>Akira Yamamoto (Star Blazers 2199)
Easily an ASF pilot, even if 2202 had her using that weird Space Armor mecha. Doesn’t fly anything heavier than a Medium. Belongs to either OWA, or whichever IS faction has the most ambiguously brown women.
>Revy (Black Lagoon)
Hardcore and borderline amoral mercenary erring towards less-than-clandestine contracts not offered or vetted by the MRBC. Pilots an Enforcer as a nod to her nickname of “Two-Hands”.
>Sakaki Chizuru (Muv-Luv)
DCMS MechWarrior annoyed at her dad for pulling strings to get her a Periphery posting away from the hotspots between either side of the FedCom when all she wants to do is proudly serve her country. Gets her wish when said posting ends up in the path of Clan Smoke Jaguar’s invasion corridor.

>>93348832
>That was pretty much the core of their conflict with the homeworld clans in the War of Reaving.
The core of their conflict was that one of the Society's masterminds was the head of their own Science caste and they did everything possible to keep that from leaking out. Especially once they lined up the entire caste against a wall and machine-gunned them.

>>93348871
That is if it's not an autistic "Technically the region of space is called the Aurigan Reach and is still there and has some page space in IKEO." When it's the Aurigan Coalition they wanted to ask about

>>93348871
I'll buy a physical copy of the book if that happens. I'll use it to catch BT2018 fan tears.

>>93348665
>Somebody competent wins the Kerensky bloodname
>Unites large numbers of the remaining clans, triggering a Clan civil war
>Inner Sphere strikes while the iron is hot, effectively refining the Clans into a single entity under the new SupraKhan
>Everything else in your post happens subsequently
>IS follows suit
I like the cut of your jib young man

>>93348951
>>93348962
It seems a little less heavy handed than "Kamea's great grandchild takes the throne on Coromodir and suddenly all the planets that were in the Coalition a hundred and thirty years ago decide to join back up" which is the alternative option.

>>93348730
>honor duels doesn't produce effective leaders or politicians
To be fair there’s not a single political system yet devised that consistently selects effective leaders/politicians.

>>93348979
The system that selects me will be the first and best.
>verification not required

>>93348437
CLAN SOCIETY HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED BEFORE.

>>93349007
They tried it, it only "works" in a vacuum. You expose people to IS fuckery and total war and you end becoming like them or you go extinct.

>>93348770
Canonically this is wrong, a bunch of Wolverine survivors rebranded as Minnesota Tribe and are out there lurking on the fringes.

>>93349019
The entire point is nobody knows where they went. They're far beyond the fringes. Or misjumped and died. Either way, they've not been back even close to the IS since fucking off far into the spinward periphery

>>93349018
>You expose people to IS fuckery and total war and you end becoming like them or you go extinct.
All life is a race to the bottom. He who is willing to go farther than his opponent will always win, and winning is the only thing that matters. That's what makes extinction inevitable.

>>93348665
You don't like how Ward took Earth? What's there to not like about that genetically engineered incest baby?

>>93348888
Imagine having to spend thousands of c-bills to jump halfway across the galaxy just so you can get laid for money.
Also nice repeating integers

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>>93349043
Right? You could just get it for free with the hedonists.

>>93349052
The new flag at least kinda looks like a flag if you squint and have a head injury, but it represents a Herotitus tainted by puritans, so it's no bueno.

>>93349018
Wolves and Bears are doing reasonably okay. Horse and Burds were the ones who reflected on the viewability of skull pyramids for a while.

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>>93349058

>>93349043
>>93349052
Oh you don't even have to go anywhere. Just wait for Clan Sea Fox to stop by with their assigned from birth caste sex workers.

>>93348893
>Haruko Harehara
>Periphery Pirates (secretly actually a ComStar undercover operative)
>Souped up Hatchetman with a custom hatchet made to look like a left-handed Rickenbacker bass.

>>93348986
I’ll stab you in the eye before I let that happen, I’m clearly a better candidate for supreme high muckamuck.

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>>93348405
Tripods metioned.

>>93349033
But that’s wrong you wonderful chap
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Minnesota_Tribe

I’m seriously thinking of laser printing decals to make a MinTribe force to oppose my beloved Kuritans.

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>>93349092
https://www.fortressminiaturesandgames.com/products/minnesota-tribe-decals?_pos=1&_sid=307a82193&_ss=r

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>>93348893
>Don't have a waifu
>Last anime I watched was Little Witch Academia
>There's already a mech in that

>>93349087
This is the ideal. Clan Wolverine and the Minnesota Tribe should never have anything new done with them because they exist for GMs to use for their own stories.

>>93349052
Something given away for free has no value.

>>93349087
>canonically they exist
>but nobody is allowed to write about them
>therefore they canonically also don’t exist
This is what happens when you don’t know the difference between canon and IP writing guidelines ya big dummy.

>>93349087
That's stupid. Mysteries aren't put into a setting not to be investigated. Mysteries must be solved. That's what a setting is for.

>>93349092
>Appearing without warning just prior to the Second Succession War, the so-called Minnesota Tribe were a mysterious warband who fought a line of engagements across the Inner Sphere and then vanished.
>ComStar continued to track the Tribe as it traveled through the Periphery towards the Federated Suns, but ultimately lost the trail near Valentina

They fucked off into the deep deep or got misjumped. And there's no way they're going back towards the clans, so spinward and rimward are the only two directions they could go. That side of the IS is spinward, rimward is further down beyond the Taurians and cappies.

>>93349087
so, they can't do anything even if i /mydude/ the clan wolverine remnants and whatnots?

>>93349099
I was gonna use the ‘great seal’ but I guess these are less hassle.

>>93349109
No, if you do something they can sue and use the legal system to force you to stop. Those rules apply to fans as well as authors.

>>93349108
>They fucked off into the deep deep or got misjumped.
Speculation.
>And there's no way they're going back towards the clans, so spinward and rimward are the only two directions they could go.
Headcanon.
>That side of the IS is spinward, rimward is further down beyond the Taurians and cappies.
So?

>>93349117
what's the great seal?

>>93349150
If they weren't caught going anywhere else, then they must have gone out into the empty black. The way jumpships work, they couldn't have cut across the IS without someone somewhere noticing. And if you really think they just turned around and went back, then the clans would have found them. That leaves only three options. Out spinward, down rimward, or misjump. They didn't remain in place and they didn't go in any other direction.

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>>93349150
The next location there was any evidence of them at was out beyond Canopus. You don't get beyond Canopus by going coreward. And you don't get there undetected by going anti-spinward.

Gonna be playing a 2v2 this week, Clan invasion era. What's a good pair of mechs for a beginner in that era that clock in at 5k BV with 3/4 pilots?

>>93349173
The Clan homeworlds were also out in the ‘empty black’ during the Exodus too, remember.

>>93349192
Yeah, they were discovered by the inner sphere exactly once ever, by an extreme fluke. There's a reason the maps are sparse once you go beyond a certain point, and the other three directions don't have the tantalizing possibility of finding the SLDF in them, so there's not even that motive. The Wolverines could easily just Exodus 2: This Time We Won't Bring Cappies in any other direction and nobody would ever find them. The most recent clue wasn't discovered until the 3090s, and the world it was found on isn't even much further out than, say, the Marians. Space is big.

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Well /btg/ Which is the IIC variant are you taking to the local Batchall?
The Shadowhawk IIC, the Griffin IIC, or the Wolverine IIC?

>>93349270
Hunchback IIC of course

Here's my hot take, there's an abandoned Wolverine facility approximately within one jump of Frobisher, which had repeated organized pirate raids (starting in the early succession wars) to steal its star league medical technology. 1+1, the Wolverines turned themselves into actual furries using the equipment they stole from Frobisher and then ran off to form a different setting with a lot more commonly used words to describe genital features.

>>93349270
Shadow Hawk IC is a fake shad, it doesn't have a shoulder cannon.

>>93349270
Assuming standard variants, the Griffin IIC is the most questionable mech on the list. Who are you winning a batchall against using 4clrm5? You are a glorified lurmvee.
The Conjurer fucks by the way. It's a great, relatively low cost workhorse.

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>>93349117
>>93349182
Have you considered the following?

>>93346065
> Saeko Busujima
A cazy Drac warcriminal probably. Still would.

grandpas, so how did the clans got revealed and the clan invasion story got unfolded back in 90s? was there some kind of buildup? irl event? or they dropped one sourcebook and that was it?

>>93349270
if im going off a looks contest the shadowhawk iic gets my vote that thing looks sick to me

>>93349418
Stackpole's Blood of Kerensky trilogy kicked it off in 1989. It was followed by the scenario pack for Battle of Twycross, which funnily enough was an IS victory.

>>93349444
so irl fans got to know who and what the clans were from the beginning? no 'who the fuck these guys are?' phase?

>>93349465
No. The books meander a bit before they reveal what the Clans are exactly, but the scenario alone makes it clear.

>>93349418
They dropped the Clans on us at Gen Con, along with novels and sourcebooks that cleaned up the existing plot threads and started a new one. Shit was hectic over the summer of '89. You can also go back and read some of the magazines in the time frame. Starlog, White Dwarf, and Dragon all had frequent Battletech articles at the time, in addition to BattleTechnology and MechForce.

>>93349619
>magazines
What do guns have to do with anything?

>>93349418
Here's a story from that time.
My father and his friends played in a long running Mechwarrior campaign that my uncle GM'd way back. One of the assignments the AFFS/AFFC gave to the group was a garrison duty at a base. Pretty straightforward gig. So the group set up on-site and, sure enough, they get a sensor contact. Orders were to engage and so they did. That's when they started getting absolutely pounded at range and, having attained some degree of system mastery, the players pointed out that the range and damage for the weapons did not match what they were used to. My uncle simply responded "Nope, it's right." So they continued playing as they got into visual range and saw these mechs they'd never seen before. At that stage they were pretty sure my uncle was either pulling some GM shenanigans or just outright cheating and having been bent over the barrel they just booked it as fast as they could. Luckily for them the OpFor didn't give chase and they managed to scrape by. At that point they were pissed off at my uncle and even learning about the Clans and their mechs afterwards didn't help them not feel cheated.

>TL;DR: Players get angry at Clanners for being better

>>93349775
kino

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I'm playing front mission evolved right now and I think this would look great as some sort of atlas MK2

>>93349834
we already have the atlas 2 and atlas 3

>>93349619
I was in backwoods Australia and the only internet access I had was dialling into a BBS. I only really found out about the Clans when I got to university in 1991, four years after I got my first copy of BattleTech, and said WAIT, WHAT?

>>93346469
In the time it takes it to close I hit it with my srm6 pack and chin turret medium laser. The shitbox doesn't even stand a chance.

>>93349775
Didn't BT have BV or something equivalent to it (C-Bills?) at the time, or did your uncle just straight up ignore it? I find playing Clans kind of boring because BV / PV eradicates any lore advantages / disadvantages from the mechanics.

>>93349912
> I find playing Clans kind of boring because BV / PV eradicates any lore advantages / disadvantages from the mechanics.

It doesn't though? Clan weapons and systems are significantly different and they have a different design philosophy and several other things.

Do you just want clan players to auto win or something? that doesn't even make sense from a lore perspective

>>93349912
I assume since it was an rpg campaign that BV/Tonnage/C-Bills wasn't a factor. But it was also around the time they came out so nobody would have known how they played until they hit the table.

I should add that the player characters should have been Elite by that point. So even with the skill in their favour the Clanners still did a number on the group

>>93348893
>Violet (Violet Evergarden)
Ptsd riddled ex maen domini veteran of tge Jihad, now trying to live a peaceful life and forget about the Seraph in the garage.

>>93349912
In the early days, people "balanced" by tonnage, though everyone recognized this as dumb because Awesome vs Charger lol

I've heard horror stories of people who asked for tonnage matched games and then brought 200 tons of Clan mechs against 200 tons of introtech IS mechs. This was immediately recognized as That Guy behavior, though, and anyone who wanted to try balancing recognized that Clan tons compared at 2:1 with IS tons.

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>>93349912
>Didn't BT have BV or something equivalent to it (C-Bills?) at the time,

There was no inbuilt balancing mechanic to BattleTech until the Tactical Handbook introduced the Combat Value system in 1994. There were several suggestions, such as the oft-mentioned "balance by tonnage" mechanic, and "balance by engine rating" was always good for a laugh.

But no, there was absolutely no official balancing mechanic save for the GM's eyeball test when the Clans invaded. It was entirely up to the players to judge whether or not what they were facing was a fair fight, and to have the wherewithal to withdraw if they felt that it wasn't. You were not entitled to a "fair fight".

>>93349925
Clanners have superior pilots and mechs but are brought down by their byzantine rules of engagement. Bachall sort of works nicely here as a leveler as it stops Clanners from focus firing a target which is ultimately how you win games in BT. You can still Bachall as there are rules for it but with BV doing a pretty decent job at making the teams equal you'd be gimping yourself with none of the benefits.
Or to put it in different terms: you're going to hit your BV limit pretty fast if you want to have your average 3/4 Clan pilots along with the significantly more expensive Clan mechs. And you really don't want to go too crazy with high BV limits either otherwise you could be in for a very long game.

I don't think Bachall by itself would be enough to balance things out and ultimately the lore is secondary and the game comes first (which means it should be somehow balanced so that each side can have fun), but it'd still be neat if Clanners had more unique flavor rules that worked and gave them their own identity when played as.

>>93350080
You still aren't even if you use BV2. It's better than nothing, but not by much especially with advanced technology.

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>You arrive at a pickup game
>3039, 6000 BV
>Picrelated is your opponent
<Um I know custom mechs are kinda frowned upon
<I really want to play a Shadow Hawk
<But all of them are just terrible
<So would this be okay..?
>They hand you a record sheet labeled SHD-2B (the B stands for Better)
>Removes the LRM-5 and SRM-2
>Replaced with 2x SRM4 and one ton of ammo
What do you do?

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>>93346065
Obviously an obnoxious Lyran Mechwarrior, making fun of both everyone on her side, her opponents, and everyone caught in the middle.

>>93350080
People were free to balance around any published metric in a TRO, I remember games where we balanced off weapons tonnage, those were pretty fucking wild.

>>93350156
She's 14 you sick fuck.

>>93350143
>person shows up with custom mechs
>person shows up with no mechs only tanks, skimmers and vtols
I just don't waste my time. Not playing is more fun than playing with these types.

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>>93346171
The reason those rules were changed was due to PBI's actually doing it at a "canon" event, therefore, PBI being able to do so has been canon.

And now you know why 40k stopped doing events where player actions matter.

>>93346611
That's every single person who plays board games, period.

>>93350143
I nod and accept, as that's a minor modification that any tech team could do with a few hours in a mech bay.

>>93350186
Not him NGE came out in 1995. If she was 14 then she's 43 now.

>>93350143
Play, but introduce them to the glory of Kuritan refits and actual technology later.

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Last night's game ended up being a 2v1, me playing against two players who'd been out of the game for a decade and were picking things up. 8 Mechs on a side. Most entertaining part: At one point I carefully had my Griffin leave his damaged back armor exposed and have no TMM near a Locust, who took the bait, allowing my Highlander to go for a DFA...

>>93350088
>Clanners have superior pilots
Depends on the unit they are fighting, elite IS units like Stone's Lament, 2nd Sword of Light, Opacus Venatori, first regulan hussars, davion assault guards are on par with all but the most elite clan units, and there are a few clan units that are pretty shit, especially the later alphabetical galaxies and mixed or armor units

>Superior mechs
Generally yes but there are IS mechs that are better than most clan mechs and especially after the clan invasion its very common to see IS forces uses clan invasion omnimechs or stuff sold by the diamond sharks, some of which is very good, as well as mixtech designs

>>93350143
I really want to play a shadow hawk
>makes something that isn't a shadowhawk
There's probably a canon mech like that anyway

>>93350186
She’s not real you prig.
Also isn’t everyone in anime 14 holy shit.

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>>93350234
Unfortunately, this drew fire from three separate mechs, who put a total of 45 damage on the Highlander over the shooting phase. I needed a 7 to pass my PSR and rolled a 6. The game ended up being a draw, but if I'd been able to cripple or kill the Locust with a DFA it probably would've been a win.

In other news, you guys remember that Spacetech homebrew I was working on? I decided to strip off the Battletech theming and turn it into a miniatures agnostic game with the working title of Scavenger's Nebula. We'll see if I go anywhere with that.

>>93350186
people have been lusting after rei and asuka for decades but it is you that shall finally break the trend with this earth shattering revelation heretofore only known to you

>>93350256
I was also working for a space battle game loosely based on BT space rules, though simplified, but it was for my own setting.

>>93350256
Seeing a Highlander knocked over gives me a sad. I've killed so many fucking mechs with mine.

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>>93350292
So in my case, it was about a 50/50 mix between Battletech and Leviathans, that CGL airship combat game. You still used GATOR and all the weapons were like ground battletech, but ship sheets behaved like they do in Levs.

I decided to start doing my own thing with each of them. Main features are gonna be true vector-based movement and custom fleet designs. Picrel is a rough concept of how a ship card will look.

>>93350307
It's not one of my favorite assaults, but I appreciates it regardless. At the same time as my Highlander was getting knocked down, my Atlas took a PPC directly to the face that scored a double crit and destroyed both Sensor locations. I have to assume that it just burned out both eyes.

>>93349106
As someone who has learned the truth about Cybertronic in Mutant Chronicles as the secret was revealed in a sourcebook, saw Sigmar become a living God during the End Times and read some of the Horus "Daddy Issues" Heresy series, I have to say that it's much better to leave mysteries and myths in a setting than reveal the retarded truths.

>>93350248
IS absolutely has good pilots. I forgot to specify that Clanners have superior pilots *on average* (as the rules call for their basic pilots to be 3/4 versus the basic IS 4/5 pilot.)

>Generally yes but there are IS mechs that are better than most clan mechs and especially after the clan invasion its very common to see IS forces uses clan invasion omnimechs or stuff sold by the diamond sharks, some of which is very good, as well as mixtech designs
In general most of what I wrote about applies to the Clan Invasion era. After that it gets more mixed up as you mentioned

>>93349187
If clans, pick the Stormcrow and the Incubus.

>>93350088
Pretty sure you mean zellbrigen, not batchall, you can have one without the other

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>>93349912
>>93349925
I actually wrote a match-up of a BV-balanced IS company of 4/5 3039 mechs against a star of 3/4 varied clan mechs. The game was enjoyable and while the dice did fudge a bit for the IS (headshotting my Crossbow early on in the game), I found it kind of amazing how much quantity mattered over quality, as I hadn't basically even scratched a full lances worth of my opponents before the Vapor Eagle finally exploded.

It was funny because my opponents kept basically thinking I'm being a fucking asshole by having mechs that hit from 10 hexes on a 4+ or something to deal insane damage, while I was just "oh fuck there's still that many enemies left what the fuck"

No notion was batchall was even considered, that would have been even more of an IS victory. But played on a 1:1 tonnage basis, Clanners are ridiculous.

>>93349187
mad dog prime or A or C

>>93350248
>There's probably a canon mech like that anyway
Look at the 3039 Shadow Hawks, even the Royal version is kinda shit. Only the Kurita one is remotely okay, but even that is basically a Griffin.

>>93350355
>In general most of what I wrote about applies to the Clan Invasion era. After that it gets more mixed up as you mentioned
It legitimately pisses me off that when I point out that I dislike clan technology for being absolutely bonkers over IS technology, some people keep going "Well yeah but in IlClan everyone uses mixed tech so it's fine!"

No, it's not. It's bullshit powercreep which means that either I, too, use clan tech in my inner sphere mechs or just lose against inner sphere mechs since they're clan mechs now, too.

Fuck clantech, fuck powergaming.

>>93350430
Peripherat who can't manufacture decent tech detected.

>>93350143
That's a really minor modification over all, and they politely asked in advance, so I'd agree to it.

>>93347123
Nonce.

>>93350468
Look I absolutely understand the in-universe reality of using superior technology whenever possible for warfare.

But from a gameplay perspective, I much more enjoy being able to fire 20 points of damage off or 40 points if I alpha, spiking my heat to dangerous levels, as opposed to firing 7 Clan ERPPCs and getting two points of heat.

Powercreep is gay.

>>93350508
If you balance by BV, the Clans are usually at a disadvantage, save for a few outlier designs and the severely undercosted cLPL.

>>93350324
>At the same time as my Highlander was getting knocked down, my Atlas took a PPC directly to the face that scored a double crit
Extreme bad luck m8. My gauss-equipped Highlander has snipe-domed other mechs before. I like the Atlas, I like the Battlemaster, but the Highlander gives me a woodie.

>>93350530
It was actually the AC10 Highlander, since this was an Introtech game.

>>93350362
Good combo, Stormcrow B is a beast

How does hardened armor work? It applies -2 to critical roll checks with TAC'S that makes sense. But it states that it also does this if armor remains in a location, obviously if you get hit by a weapon on your CT and its currently open with no armor you dont get that bonus, but do you get the bonus if you have 2 armor there?

>>93350575
It means that penalty applies to stuff that crits through armor, like AP Autocannon ammo and Tandem Charge SRMs.

>>93350575
It blocks the first 4pts of damage and then you take crits like with normal armor.

>>93350508
Any mech that doesn't gain heat with a running/jumping alpha is boring, and I'm someone who always stays below 5 excess heat.

>>93350553
stormcrow C and I.

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LOOK EVERYONE! the telephone repairmen are here!
EEEEEAAAAAARRRGH!
WHY am I on fire, WHY?
it burns! it Buuuuurrrrrrrrns!

>>93350647
comes in handy when you dont play with floating TAC'S though, engines get hit a lot

>93350687
>Gameology
Those guys' Pasadena location was the only remotely tolerable store in the LA area. Sucks that they closed it.

Avoid Odyssey Games. One of the owners' friends threatened me and the owner didn't do anything about it.

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>>93350713
I come from the land downunder. they're over in Victoria for me. i spit upon that state.PT-tuh!

Look everyone! those A rated mercenaries comstar and the MRBC told us about are here to save us!

Hey... waitaminnit... they look awfully familiar...

>93350737
learn to paint

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>>93350324
You do know that NEA did what your doing half a decade ago right?
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/57478791/#57504453

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>>93350741
Post minis

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>>93350774
that is some nice fucking camo.

mine... Not So Much.

>>93346448
my brother uses this all the time and i hate it.

>>93348871
They just put the Aurigans on the wrong fucking side of the IS. Had they been corewards from Rasalhague, whatever military and organisation they had would have been canonically wiped out by the Clans invading, like what happened with Strang, Oberon, Elysian Fields, Valkyrate and so on, and then nobody would have any reason to check on those worlds for the next century or so.

>>93350143
yes but only because they're female and i am desperate

>>93350782
Eh, it's fine. The bright baby blue lasers and the too-bright metallics are what bothers me more than the paintjobs otherwise. Especially the canopy on that King Crab looks nice.

>>93350256
there's a reason that it gets called the "dumb fuck attack" in my local meta. Even under ideal conditions its a crapshoot, and that's before you get shot to shit because you're an easy skylined target.

I look at it as a desperation move for if you've had all your guns shot off, and even then, it's usually better to just jump adjacent to the target and kick them.

Highlander burial is cool when it works, but the thing is that it almost never works.

>>93350737
>over in Victoria
SA/WA anon confirmed

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>>93350804

Your brother is a man of taste. Cicada haters can get bent.

>>93350143
Yeah sure, so long as their polite and ask in advance.
I then proceed to school them in the glorious lance support utility mech that is a 2h loaded with infernos and smoke.

Good Clan NARC mechs? And if I’m running NARCs do I just go all-in on the LRMs or should I pick stuff that has LRMs as more of a secondary weapon and still shoots like PPCs and Large Lasers in case the spotter dies early or can’t land NARC pods or if there’s ECM on the field?

>>93351069
Clanners don't use NARC

>>93351055
Are smoke LRMs available during the Succession Wars? I know Infernos are and that's the best period for using them.

>>93351069
I like the Fire Falcon D for spotting. It has a TAG, it has a NARC, and it has a couple of SRM 4s to fight back against pursuit and an ERML for light harassment at range. 8/12 is not the manic crackhead energy you expect from a Clan light, but it's good enough.

>>93351069
shadcat c, though calling it a 'narc mech' is a bit of a stretch; it's an atm skirmisher 'mech that also narcs

>>93351090
Yes. Along with flak ac ammo, which if vtols/asf are on the field forms the final part of the 2h support load.

>>93351130
I cannot find Flak AC ammo in Techmanual. Please help!

>>93351171
Alternate ammo is tacops.

>>93350950
You just need to bird up and grow some talons.

>>93351077
the clans invented CNARC and have sparingly equipped mechs with it about two hundred years before the clan invasion

>>93351069
>>93351113
sounds like dezgra to me

>>93351409
When everyone is dezgra, no one is.

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>>93351113
Funny you should mention that, I built one the other day. Surprisingly straightforward build.

>>93351343
They still don't really use it

>>93351069
There’s a Mist Lynx with narc and something like 5 srm2s that I like to run sometimes

>>93351666
>they don't use it
>acktually I meant that they don't ~really~ use it
Goalposts, anon.

Thoughts on Hot Loaded and Deadfire LRMs?

>>93352029
I like dead-fire rounds. Mainly ffor pirates I'll just take a succession wars missile boat and fill it with dead fires, which does surprisingly well verses later era machines.
Never tried hot-loaded rounds but what is essentially a much lighter LBX gun with just a slight chance of exploding seems like a decent tradeoff

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>>93346149
This is a wonderful way to express how charmingly bad the Hermes II is, and also why I am inordinately fond of it. It's too slow to scout, too light to scrap, too ammo-dependent to skirmish, and doesn't even jump.

Its just so... *succession wars.* A barely functional clunker produced in huge numbers because it's slightly more complicated than a Honda Civic and robust enough that you can fix it up with duct tape and chewing gum, and thus nigh omnipresent in the FWL and rightly avoided by anybody else.

>>93352223
Hey man, you took the words right out of my mouth. Hermes II is a cute lil feller, in the right hands he almost makes the C+ grade.

>>93352223
I like the 4k. It runs blazingly hot, but it has an intimidating alpha strike for its tonnage.

Now I know custom mechs are more or less looked down upon in the community when it comes to players, but for scenarios, how does it compare when fighting the Boss of your campaign(if there is one) in a custom Battlemech?

>>93352401
If you're doing a campaign, customs are part and parcel of the experience. Mechs will be damaged and repaired with what you have available.
The aversion to customs is more of a pick-up-game thing where you've got no prior history and don't want to be checking record sheets constantly.

>>93352401
They're not looked down upon. The reason people here sneer at customs is that they're afraid to face them in imaginary pickup games.

Customs, in-universe, are something that happens naturally as a 'mech serves, and are part of the background to the point of starter scenarios containing them.

>>93352417
If they're not destroyed and your mech has hands, tear him apart. Eat everything from his mechs' corpse.
>>93352430
Ah, okay that explains it. Thanks.

>>93346149
>>93352223
Why again is the Hermes II in tro3025 but the hermes I isn't? I think I've asked this before but the mechs are so mediocre that I forgot the explaination

>>93352517
It's like the PS1 and the PS2. Why get a PS1 when the 2 can do everything it can do, but better?

>>93352401
Customs are looked down on in pickup games where they're often used for bullshit. They're extremely normal in campaigns since everything is run by a GM anyway and "the GM could just kill everyone using some bullshit" is a known risk that you've hopefully mitigated by picking a GM who just won't do that, and even if you fucked up there, they could just as easily dump four times your BV in clan assaults on a map with no exit, so customs aren't the problem.

>>93352549
It's like this.
The Star League: N64.
The Succession Wars: Atari Jaguar.
The Clans: The PS2.
IS during the Invasion: Dreamcast.

>>93345979
Whitworth is king of 40 ton shit mountain. The daimyo is also pretty good

>>93352517
The Hermes was an SLDF mech that had gone out of production before the succession wars due to the SLDF mothballing them. When the succession wars kicked off, Irian reopened the production line, but retooled it for the simpler Hermes II instead since the existing Hermes were having a lot of issues and some of their components were lostech. Importantly, they never actually lost the ability to make Hermes I, they just didn't want to. They did do refits on the remaining models into the introtech variants though, so a handful of extremely scuffed units could limp along through the succession wars.

>>93352637
Daimyo, Whitworth, Vulcan, love em.

>>93345979
I like the strider, it hits a nice balance between speed, armor, and armament.
It does have some questionable configurations, tho most are solid.

>>93352549
>...Except it then begs the question why aren't WE trying to build this super tech now that we know it's possible, causing in and out of universe power creep!
They did though, it just got interrupted by an apocalyptic war and a near complete loss of interstellar communications. Clantech was cracked within a few decades of being introduced. It's still very expensive to both build and maintain, but there are inner sphere manufacturers making it with zero clan involvement in the process.

>>93352549
>...Except it then begs the question why aren't WE trying to build this super tech now that we know it's possible
Same reason Elon's missiles keep blowing up on the way up, even though that's all covered by ancient NASA tech.