Previous: >>93380480>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:https://mtgcommander.net/>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.http://www.tappedout.net>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>how to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com/Thread Question/Prompt: What's the most recent deck you've built that isn't a soulless precon upgrade ?
I'm going to play some edh later, but friend wants to grab dinner first. It's a longish drive and hot as shit. I haven't left my cards in a hot car ever. Tips to protect my cards from the heat?
What's your favorite scam card? For me, it's Teleportation Circle.
>>93387299Any sleeper etb cards for this flappy boi?
>>93387387>scambut that doesn't work with scam
>TQ*spews rhinos onto the table*
>>93387364Leave the ac on and play calming music.Hahaha no really they should be fine if it isnt humid as shit. If it is maybe get some moisture absorbing packs and put them in a cooler with the cards? Iunno
What's some tg approved edh youtube channels? Command zone is over produced. Prof has weird guests.
Is this card really that obnoxious to deal with? I threw together a Tergrid deck the other day and the first three games I played with it someone scooped the instant I put Oppression on the field.
I hate tergrid so much its unreal. Worst commander they've ever printed.
>>93387449not tg approved but I'll go ahead and plug my channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdgj8mTWXFkJust some lofi mtg bantz. Planning to do more commander dech techs
>>93387514Thnx anon will look
>>93387464if someone is only holding permanents, they give you insane value just by playing the gamesome people just don't want to deal with that
so what's the plan with this guy?i was planning to build it as a control deck, put in some blink spells to get some counters on him, then use more expensive, modal spells like Cryptic Command for control/advantage. But i'm not really sure how you win the game with it, is there a mono blue scenario where you make infinite blinks then cast a giant X spell to kill everyone?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>93387410>End step triggers>Choose circle to trigger first>Blinks it, no longer has the give back triggerHow does it not work?
>>93387579you run him in the 99 of a xolatoyac deck
>>93387579google ghostly flicker combos
>>93387597read the evoke reminder text
>>93387514jesus anon imagine putting your actual face into this thread. Also get a haircut right now.I gave you a like and subscribe though
>>93387639hai ;)<3
Post em
>>93387691But you didnt post any decks?
>>93387299>Thread Question/Prompt: What's the most recent deck you've built that isn't a soulless precon upgrade ?Budget Nadu StormWincons are >infinite storm count then Mind's Desire>infinite mana then Biomass Mutation>infinite mana then Bronze Cudgels>Naru Meha infinitely blink a pinging desert
Anyone else run Pair o' Dice Lost? On average it gets back 7 mana worth of cards and guaranteeably every single 0-mana card in your yard.
>>93387579This is a bad card. Fuck bloomburrow is so shit...
>>93387579>firstJust realized this is limited to one spell per turn holy shit it's a garbage card lmao
>>93387421cute synergy but I advise against sleeving up cards which require another card from the 99 to work in casual decks.
>>93387514>arcane denial is better than counterspell>looks like thatWe're in for a long one boys...
>>93387790Arcane Denial IS better than counterspell.
>>93387788>advising against including synergy in your casual decksWhat a bizarre recommendation
>>93387792Depends on so many factors it reduces your statement to no more than a starter for arguments. Yes, maybe, as you add more colours or are storming off or some shit. No, specifically, because giving your opponents card draw is bad and you should feel bad.
mono U is the most fun mono and its not even close
>>93387754I don't run joke cards
>>93387817Yes. This is an undisputed fact.
>>93387812>Depends on so many factors it reduces your statement to no more than a starter for arguments. Yes, maybe, as you add more colours or are storming off or some shit. No, specifically, because giving your opponents card draw is bad and you should feel bad.Counterspell is>more color prohibitive>arguably one of the worst counterspells in casual commander, because it does absolutely nothing elseArcane Denial is>only 1 blue pip>REPLACES ITSELF (almost no cheap counters in commander do this) so you're not "down" a card in-hand after answering your opponent>tempo-counters the card you NEED gone in exchange for two cards that come on a later turnI haven't run Counterspell in a commander deck since like 2011. I HAVE run Arcane Denial since then to now.
>>93387788Do you mean because it requires footfalls? Most of the deck is 1-drop enchantments so the two in that pic aren't necessary. And the rest is effects that shuffle footfalls back in.So yeah, footfalls is susceptible to being exiled or something but there's a fair amount of shuffle abilities to protect it. And even if it does get exiled, I can pivot to commander damage ftw
>>93387790>>93387812But did you watch the video? I could type out my argument but it's right there in the video.Boils down to counterspell leaves two opponents at +1 card. Arcane denial leaves one opponent at +1 card.
what commander will let me play the closest equivalent of Legacy lands/DD?
>>93387838You just repeated what I said and added something about tempo.
Here's a thought experiment:Would you rather run generic counterspell or a U instant that counters a spell, draws you a card, and draws your opponent 3 cards on upkeep.How about 0 mana, draws you a card, and draws your opponent 4 cards on upkeep?
>>93387408Fanatic of Mogus
>>93387613like infinite turns with archaeomancer?>>93387763>>93387782>card isn't FIRE design and is actually somewhat balanced>wtf bros this is shit i hate it
>>93387878All you said was it's better for multicolor and bad because it gives your opponent cards.
>>93387869I'm not going to watch your video, no matter how much you beg and bait.>>93387873Windgrace, I think? There isnt a 1 to 1 because lacking 3 crop rotations hurts you real bad.
>turn 1Why does this cause so much cope and seethe from everyone else at the table? Everybody has one in their deck
>>93387854You need Footfalls in the deck. once it hits the graveyard the Auras are just bad or do you play more payoffs?How much Recursion do you play to get Footfalls back into your library?Soldevi Dagger has to show up at the perfect time or its a wasted card slot.
>>933878860 mana one would be ok in a cedh game like pact, where you absolutely have 0 intention of them ever getting to the next turn, as a defensive free counterspell whilst you're comboing. Would be dogshit in casual though.
>>93387903Everyone has one in their deck because there's no reason not to have one in their deck. It should 100% be banned.
>>93387628I see the issue but I don't see what Evoke has to do with it.The reason TP circle doesn't work is because it says it returns under its owners control.It DOES work with a card like Cloudshift, where it returns under your control.
>>93387911this post goes against the spirit of the format and you should be kicked out of every table for having such a dumbass opinion
>>93387763This is a bad post. Fuck this anon is so cringe...
>>93387911Edh is THE fast mana format and no matter of bitching from casuals will change that.
>>93387932it's funny watching casuals cry about sol ringgo watch any casual edh game on youtube - the entire first 4 fucking turns are spent ramping anyway. you could make a rule at casual tables that you just start with 4 lands out and 6 cards in hand and the games would be identical
>>93387930It's not as bad as arthur, but in edh it's pretty bad. What are you going to do, turn your islands or one of your 4 tech lands into an island and cast a single spell?
>>93387905Here's my list if you're interested:https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0I0tcpLP-EuYj2kYAU9D-wI'm running 13 cards that can shuffle it back in. I'm also running a lotus bloom to hit off cascade. There's like 30 1-mana enchantments in the deck which aren't great without lotus bloom and or footfalls in the deck, but I'm running an enchantress package so usually they will be drawing more cards when they enter.
>>93387932Wrong>>93387911Correct
>>93387691>Sigurd(Enchantress with a focus on Sagas)>Ulalek (Eldrazi)>Edward (Pirates and theft)>Faldorn (Exile)>Mishra, Eminent One (Artifacts)>WiP - Henzie (Jund Dragons + Reanimation)Not sure if anyone thinks the same but I think Red might be the most fun color but I don't like playing mono red.
>>93387948>Cast a single spellThe counters persist and most counter spells are 2-3cmc. It's one spell PER TURN and mono blue is the king of instants
>>93387952Edh and vintage are the only formats with any concept of ramp. Fite me.
>>93387967And sol ring is in every single deck which (homi)genizes the format
>>93387408Avalanche Riders and Obsidian Charmaw.
>>93387476luv me some 'grid
>>93387960Oh wow, you get U per turn. For 1UUU. For only instants and sorceries. Shit's bad, baral is better in almost every capacity besides looking cool, which admittedly the big fish does.
>>93387579Honestly the more I read this the more I like it >Counters persist like experience counters>Big beater for Timmy in blue>Free counter spells on your opponents turnsI might genuinely build this. When I first read it I was disappointed that the counters didn't work like pic related but it's growing on me but it's growing on me
>>93387812From a casual glance, Arcane Denial is a near perfect cardCounterspell requires UU and therefore is less flexable in being able to use it, whereas Arcane Denial is 1U which lets you use more varieties of lands to use it as well as generally being able to be cost reducted easier (as most cause cards to be reduced by 1, which works on the 1U Arcane Denial but not the UU Counterspell)Then in terms of local advantage, Arcane Denial is better.>Counterspell makes you go -1 and your opponent go -1In a 1v1 this is fine as you go +0 in advantage with them, but in EDH there is 2 other players who you didn't affect and you just put them in a more advantageous position.>Arcane Denial makes you go +0 (-1 from Arcane Denial, +1 from the draw) and 1 opponent go +1 (-1 card you countered +2 draw)This makes you even against 2 players and negative against 1 as opposed to even against 1 and negative against 2.
>>93387987God damn you are a fucking retard, you get more than just (u), soon you're gonna have a free (uuuu) every turn
>>93387972It's 1 card in the 99. Who cares, that slot isnt going to be used for anything innovative.
>>93388005>let me just leave this big fish alone on the board for 4 turns before it's goodCasuals and their love of bad cards is hilarious.
>>93387892Guarantee every commander I have is less FIRE than yours. The card is simply not very good lol
>>93388041Wow you really showed me anon
>>93387932This would be ok mindset if we were still casting shitty elder dragons for 8 mana and paying 3 to keep them each turn but that is not the case anymore.
>>93387998You dont use counters for tempo in edh, you use them for answering game ending threats. Going -1 doesnt matter if you stop your opponent from comboing off. This is a specific discrete use because they're singleton. Allowing your opponent to draw a card gives them a hypothetical out that doesnt exist with normal spells. The value of each card is higher, and while they could draw nothing, they could theoretically draw anything in their deck. Limiting an opponent's outs is essential for winning the game and progressing your gameplan. While you get two cards, there is the possibility that the hypothetical card your opponent drew can answer both of them by the nature of answers in the format. That's a risk that should be avoided in my opinion, and there are more than enough counters in the format.
>>93387998God damn you're still posting this? Meds
>>93387945edh but everyone has sol ring in the command zone
Card advantage is fake. Being +1 or -4 to your components is not a real thing. Mathfags should always be shunned
>>93387949you are missing Goblin AnarchomancerI goldfished a few hands. I know you want to play lots of enchantments to get the payoff but the early game feels horrible due to this. you dont have much business until your commander drops.
>>93388077Says you. The only people who complain about fast mana dont have access to it. Fast mana in a casual deck is fun because you get to cast your silly nonsense faster. Fast mana in higher power is fun because it's a strategic choice with a variety of counterplay.
>>93388077>Friend that's newer to the game has told me he won't play anything above 4cmc as his commander because its too expensive and slow>mfw
>>93388109Math is for blue players. I jund and kill and it always works
>>93388109This.>>93388140Math is for multicolour nerds. Monoblue chads just play artifacts and back to basics.
>>93388164i just turn big stupid creatures sideways
>>93388121CEDH already shows us what ubiquitous fast mana turns the format into but sure if you can get 3 other people to agree not to turbo out a turn 2 T&N win with crypts and moxs good for you.
>>93388202You need one of these. It's my cardfu. Cast your big boy, turn him sideways, untap him and do it again.
>>93388222I hate that the commander that best synergizes with static orb and winter orb is MH urza
>>93388219Cedh is defined by. Alot more than fast mana anon.
>>93387691
>>93387932Arcane signet should be the strongest rock legal in this format
>>93385194>everyone complains about finality counters.>I think they are hilarious, I want to play with them and the Ozolith.I'm curious what you think that would accomplish.
>ozoloth is $70
>>93388244See I run that urza just because I love the orbs and spheres so much. I have a foil winter orb and a foil static orb too.
>>93388222i was thinking maybe slotting in winter moon since i just dump forests every turn. i do however want to find a good deck to put a bunch of stun pieces in
>>93388266Ozolith can move counters onto any creature including your opponents'
>>93388281>the city of meFoil trinisphere as well. My beer delivery just arrived and I'm all discombobulated.
>>93388281I bet its fun I just wish wotc werent so blatent in having him be THE legend you pick if you wanna play with the orbs
>>93388287Ehhhhh that's much worse than winter orb or static orb. It's better in a higher power meta gainst multicolour decks, but the proliferation of basics is a major downside.
>>93388287Ive been away for a while and havent upgraded my decks in years but does this thing even impact the game? It seems super weak
>>93388136I don't have a single commander under 5 cmc.
>>93388254Combos and fast mana are literally all that format is.
>>93388116Yeah I definitely need my commander before I can start cooking but there are 20 pieces of ramp so the hope is that I can ramp for the first couple turns, and then cast wildsear on turn 3 or 4. It's definitely a gimmick and I'm not saying it's a great gameplan but it's fun and I've tried to build it to be as consistent as possible. I don't love anarchomancer since most of the deck is 1-drops that can't be reduced, also I would rather use the slot for ramp that's also an enchantment
>>93388136He's kinda right. It's one of the reasons attack trigger commanders suck so much ass.>play Mr. Foxglove for 5 mana>he gets swords to plowshares'd >suddenly need to invest 7 mana into a mediocre effect
>>93388315it really depends how greedy your pod is with their mana bases. if they're running 3C+ with only like 4 basics in the deck it'll stomp them but if everyone is in mono color it won't do much
>>93388289Ah ok. So also giving a finality counter to an opponent's creature once per turn? Seems cute, I suppose.
>>93388278With expensive cards like that which I will never buy until a reprint I like to proxy UB cards that are that card like the Godzilla cards. I think the Nibelheim mako reactor would be a good proxy for Ozolith, Nibelheim housed Jevoha and her cells which were distributed to create new life similar to how the Ozolith stores and redistributes counters. It also stored experiments made with her cells which also fits.
>>93388327And stax. And small value creatures. And hatebears.
>>93388297I have a dream: an urza deck that plays as many k4rnstructs as possible. I think it could be neat and fun.
>>93388345nesting grounds too
>make deck that is just a nostalgia shitpile>it actually worksname a better feelinghelps that my pod sucks so I can get away with shit decks lol
>>93388347I also would not be surprised if they were going to create this exact card for the FF set.
Is there a FUN way to build Zoraline? I'm racking my brain but she just looks so boring.
>>93388360that does sound fun but artifacts is so oversaturated as a deck archetype that any time you try to make the deck better it just devolves into the same synergy piles youve always played
>>93388361That's a lot better because it'll actually move the finality counter off of your own creature. Ozolith doesn't help your creatures from still getting exiled.
>>93388347I like that. Upvote.
>>93388386the other way to skirt finality counters is effects that exile and return creatures
>>93388349No one would run stax pieces or hatebears if the format wasn't defined by the fact its a fast mana combo format that needs those stax pieces to slow peoples vomit of fast mana down.
>>93388347>JevohaJenova*
>>93388402They're called scam effects anon.
>>93388416They're called flicker effects you zoomer.
>all edh groups in my area are either extreme cedh or hyper casual shit pilesWhy is it so hard to find groups that are actually at that 7/8 powerlevel sweetspot?
>>93388259Shared command zone
>>93388402Or, you know, counter-removal.
>>93387918>I see the issue but I don't see what Evoke has to do with it.>don't see what evoke has to do with scamOh okay you just don't know what scam means
>>93388416>>93388426flicker can be scam but not all scam is flicker
>>93388426No they're called scam effects. You know, like paradox wave or restoration angel.
>>93388436woaw they made loki from the hit marvel series loki an mtg card
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>>93388437I mixed up scam and theft, you got me.
>>93388427Because that means you actually have to know how to build a deck, but dont play any other format so you dont have any overpowered cards. It's the smallest niche, dont be surprised.
how does one deal with obnoxious blueniggers who ruin fun for everyone at the table? Why is it always blues who fail to pick up on social cues?
Gay Bolas
>>93387464Its obnoxious if you can get this out on curve but they are playing against Tergrid in the first place so.
>>93388451nta, I have been playing magic since the original Ravnica block, and this is the first time I've heard the term "scam." Flicker and Blink are terms I've heard.
>>93388451No they're not
>>93388468Vexing Shusher there you've now cucked the monoU player forever.
>>93388468Git gud scrub. Just apply yourself for one second.
>>93387387For me it's this. Great scam card.
>>93388468>bait out counterspell>play real threat>win
>>93388468Red Elemental Blast/Pyroblast
>>93388481>>93388482But they are, same with flickerwisp and felia. Scam is anything that you want it to be, isnt it magical?
>>93388468In my experience, the most autistic players who consistently fail to pick up on social cues and ruin the game for everyone else invariably play black. Only sometimes splash blue.
>>93388468>Not running red counterspells
>>93388468Punisher effects for casting spells like spellshock
>"Game's gotta end sometime!">*plays the most uninspired 2-card combo ever and wins*How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>93388466I'm confused. 7 and 8 power levels still play overpowered cards. They just aren't hyper focused on degenerate combos as much. I wouldn't think twice if I saw a mana crypt at that power level, but would question someone doing a demonic consultation/thoricle combo.
>>93388528>Good game anonI will then hyper-target them every game they play that deck.
>>93388528"How is that related to your commander"
>>93388528But grist exiled by agatha's soul cauldron, and metalic mimic is technically 3 cards.
>>93388528>"Game's gotta end sometime!"That line drives me fucking mad. It's always, ALWAYS used by people to justify why they're playing some sort of combo that has nothing to do with their deck.
The game does actually need to end though.
>>93387691Sure
>>93388564>demonic consults into Thassa's Oracle every gameErm, why are you mad? The game NEEDED to end.
>>93388538>They just aren't hyper focused on degenerate combos as much.See, this is the problem. The players with good cards who play other formats want to play good decks. A "7 or 8" is a weird minmaxed zone that only exists within edh only players.
>>93388542I'm not sure what you mean. It's in his color identity.
>>93388538>>93388569>thoracle! Everyone always thoracle! The whole format is thoracle!This is how you tell someone doesnt actually play the format or see combos, but rather they like to complain about boogeymen on the internet.
>>93388590lol anon it's the best combo in CEDH
>>93388593No. It is a combo in cedh, an efficent combo, but it has a massive risk reward gambit that everyone is prepared for.
>>93388590its true, its usually simic decks cheating out some easy to assemble creature combo using some retarded tutor card.
My go to combo is still Blood Bond
>>93387299>tqthe rage it induces is delicious.
>>93388590>using a well known example = nogamesYou're weird.
>>93388593>it's the best combo in CEDH
>>93388611Not only is it well known, it's the only combo most of them know that has been meme'd into the abyss.
>play bug control for the first time>basically lock down the board by just stealing everyone's relevant permanents and drowning in card advantage>can't find a wincon because my friends convinced me to take out Torment of Hailfire right before the game>everyone just concedes as I sit there and loop Flotsam for the Xth timeok I can see why people don't like this color combo
>>93388623>>basically lock down the board by just stealing everyone's relevant permanents and drowning in card advantage>>can't find a winconATTACK WITH THEIR CREATURES YOU FUCKING RETARD
>>93388610Why is the truck stronger than the robot with the gun?
>>93388648They're the same thing anon.
>>93388099good argument
>>93388689That makes even less sense
>>93388094>You dont use counters for tempo in edhYes I do. It's a game of turns. If I delay an opponent for even 1 turn, the game is either going to be vastly different by the time it gets back around to them, or possibly just over because someone else won.
anyone got any advice in upgrading the quick draw precon? i want to keep it mid power ish and i like the pingers and token creatures them. its not super consistent though. maybe i just need a lot more cantrips?
I don't know if I'm beating a dead horse at this point - but I am /unbelievably/ tired of Simic Decks and the identity that Wizards is constantly pushing them to be.Yes, I am aware that certain color combinations are more akin to having more of a solid, set identity.Yes, Izzet are primarily spell slingers, Boros loves combat, and you can bet that Golgari likes to fuck with their graveyards heavy. So what exactly is my problem, you might be wondering?Simic is so fucking boring AND Consistent - It's the worst possible combination of often manipulating the 2 most important resources in the game, Mana and Cards. All the while pretty much never sacrificing tempo to do so.Listen, I am not against interaction by any sense of the word, and I think blue is the glue that holds the game together sometimes.But like, how does one interact with [[nadu]] or [[Kinnan]] or [[Volo]] or...you get my point - it legitimately feels like every single time I see a new Simic Card printed for Commandertm I pretty much know exactly what it is going to read. "When you do X - gain an extremely disproportionate amount of value to the resources you spent to do X - Either via Land or Cards (Sometimes both)"I dunno, it just feels unfair that a card like [[Firesong and Sunspeaker]] or [[Toxrill]] exist that have to work literally so hard to get their gameplan going for comparatively low value in the same format in which checks notes [[Aesi]] exists.TL;DR: Land and Cards are all this color combination does and it's not only extremely broken - it's also extraordinarily boring.Rant over, I guess.
>>93388753simic sneeders (reddit) are by far worse than simic players
>>93388753It's a shame because I'm a biologist and Simic really speaks to the intersection of the rational and mysterious that drives my curiosity. I just feel emotionally drawn to it. Also, it used to be a bad and under-represented color combination.But yes, now it's absolutely beaten to death and it's sad. It's like watching your favorite local band go mainstream and just replay their tired hits to an arena full of people you suspect don't even like them for the same reasons you do. I guess I'm a hipster now, but damn Wizards. Make Simic cool again. I want to see more esoteric commanders that do weird knowledge-based stuff. I don't know... whenever a creature you control gets one or more +1/+1 counters, scry 1? Whenever you deal combat damage to an opponent, they play with their hand revealed until they draw their next card? Let's do some weird shit.
>>93388753>>93388781had to find this shit on reddit, are they in the right bros? is simic unstoppable? should aesi be a banned commander?!
>>93388715One has wheels and can go faster. Same mass. Do the math.
>>93388568How is the energy deck? I don't like energy as a mechanic but I am considering the MH3 energy precon because Satya looks fun and I am open to changing my mind on Energy.
>>93388805the basic idea of simic too is just that they ramp early and then backup that ramp with good card draw to just take over the game. so they are the weakest before they're able to fuel all of their big spells. but wotc really just wants to give them uber cheap value pieces to spit in the face of this idea
>>93388571>A "7 or 8" is a weird minmaxed zone that only exists within edh only players.That describes me pretty well. I only play edh anymore (along with some cube and draft), and that's the spot I like to play in.
>>93388528>mfw its only turn 47 and the game has been soft reset via boardwipes 10 times and some faggot topdecks his other combo piece to winIve actually been shouted at irl by an esika player when I managed to topdeck a buried alive for a combo win with 0 cards in hand and half my deck in exile
Noob here. Do Commander decks/sets go out of date. I don’t want to get new editioned. Yet again.
>>93388753>best draw>best ramp>entire identity is built around value engines after ravnica failed to establish a good archetype for simic>wincons are combo 99% of the time>turns the board into a fucking mess of permanents, tokens and +1/+1 countershonestly its that last one that makes me hate it the most. I just cant stand boards where I have no clue wtf is even going on because there are 17 tokens and every cards has some kind of counter on it
>>93387476Damn. Anyways.
>>93388881no its an eternal format, bans are the only thing that disallow cards and bans never happen anymroe.
>>93388881the entire format gets soft rotated all the time just like modern and legacy
I wanna revisit Rakdos. I narrowed my choices to these three guys. Which one would you choose in terms of power and replayibility?
>>93388871Using buried alive to win on the spot is a pretty faggot move anon.
>>93388895>>93388899Ok. So a friend made me a decklist and I’m picking up singles but postage alone is gonna hit me pretty hard so there must be a way people do this. I have 2 LGSs locally but never been a TCG man (since Fossil set Pokemon anyway). Can I just present them my list and see what they have or what do I do.
>>93388933>nooooooooo that's gay thats against the spirit of the format!!!!!!!!I dont care the game had lasted an hour and a half at that point and the esika player had board wiped a solid 5 times while flipping a dozen walkers with the bridge side
>>93387408I will always shill this card for any UW deck and I will shill it again here. It's good. You can shut off two rocks with the offspring, or treasure and a rock, or two good activated abilities and steal them yourself. It's just solid. Often its a 2 drop dork in your opening hand that effectively stone rains someone else trying to ramp with signets or sol ring while accelerating you.
So offspring is just fixed squad huh?
so... how do you actually end a game by a combo/big spells etc without making people mad?What are the criteria?
>>93388327The dirty little secret is that this applies to normal Commander as well, but people who have only really played EDH don't realize the entire format is aping Simic decks, 100% of the time.
>>93388964>so... how do you actually end a game...without making people madYou can't. Winning is toxic and against the spirit of the format
I decided to build this after reading all the seething in this thread. Thanks guys
>>93388964So long as it's not something I've seen a million times we're good. If you hailfire or craterhoof or moonshaker calvary or use any number of predictable cards, I'll probably roll my eyes.
>>93388753It's almost like 1v1v1v1 40 starting life is an outstandingly retarded concept in a game 100% balanced around 1v1 20 starting life.
>>93388979>build simic jank deck>no +1/+1, no counterspells, no protection, 3 tutors, only interaction are blue board wipes and my ETB removal timmy creatures>absolutely demolishes decks several times its worth with infinite power trample retard strength attacksgrug like
>>93388964Is mine the only meta where people regularly just die from combat or commander damage?
>come back after like 8 yearshow do I construct a deck without buying "essential" singles from the past years.All the shops I used for singles actually are dead and the only ones that are still there have a very limited selection
>>93389052No, but my group specifically arrived for this. We ban a bunch of high salt stuff and also combo
>>93389064dont get back into the game its not worth itif you really want to play use cockatrice or tabletop sim
>>93388881>>93388899>the entire format gets soft rotated all the time just like modern and legacygive it 5 more years. soon edh will be a solved format with everyone running 99 sol ring level auto includes and 5 color commanders.
>>93389064just buy a precon released in the last few years. watch some reviews and pick one you like. most are at least moderately powerful.
>>93388949I’m gonna have to look into this
Is now a good time to sell out of Magic? I collected for a long time and stopped playing during the pandemic. I have a ton of old cards as well as many old border foils just sitting in long boxes.
>>93389098I mean, that's already pretty much the case. The trick is to play with people who choose not to.
>>93389134Everyone I've ever known who has sold their collections eventually regretted it.
>>93389098I would argue we're already there. I cringe whenever I see one of those YouTube videos recommending metric based deck building like "always have 36 lands, 15 sources of ramp, 10 spot removal, 8 wipesIf anyone actually follows that they're a brain dead retard and your deck is going to end up boring and generic as fuck
>>93388881Nope, you are good.If they ever start doing it, commander dies as a format. Play what you want.
>>93389155Nta but I'm at the point where my "collection" is so big that I don't even know what I have anymore. It's just taking up a bunch of space in my house and if I ever want to build a new deck I end up buying all the new cards because it's more time effective than searching through my entire collection for the one thing that I need. Because of this though it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger
>>93389155I understand but with MtG so pozzed I don't see myself ever getting back into it. I was an /edhg/ poster for years. I still can't believe black Aragorn fucking happened. I just want to get the most bang for my buck so I have money for new hobbies and clear up all the room the long boxes take up in my house. I'm half tempted to take my collection to an LGS and accept pennies on the dollar.
>>93387817Yep. No doubt.
>>93389178>>93389197Why not just keep decks you like and a box of staples, then sell the rest?
>>93389197>culture war niggerLOL seeya faggot
Playing against glacial chasm, maze of ith and field of the dead made me realise none of my decks have land removal
how do i play windgrace without being a giant niggerserious questionalready refusing to put in gitrog combo/glacial chasm
>>93389271-1/-1 counter control and proliferate
>>93389197the game is being whored out to any ip it can get. Even if it wasnt pozzed Hasbro would still be milking it bone dry in another way. Its going full MMO nearing the end of its lifespan where it sacrifices everything to such a degree that retarded whales still stay but everyone with half a brain already left
>>93387299Inspired by the late Sheldon's own deck list with my own tweaks
>>93388926Chainer with every Wheel effect you can grab. Get your creatures back in the process.
>>93389241My Phage the Untouchable deck is my favorite deck (I used to keep a little slip of paper in the sleeve with tally marks keeping track of kills) so I'm tempted to keep that one but it also has a ton of money in it as I'm a huge mono-Bfag. I might keep one deck of each color (except blue) and sell the rest.
how do you build child of alara without making it the worst shit to play against (and as)? I got the new Miku SL as a gift from a friend and I want a deck for it when it comes in the mail, but it seems turbo aids. But I don't want to waste one of the cards gifted to me.
>>93389347indestructible tribal
>>93388983You are going to Build a shit deck to spite all the people who told you it was a shit deck?
>>93389358I was thinking about doing this as a politics deck where I make other stuff indestructible for people for favors or something, meanwhile all my stuff is indestructible.
>>93389197Proxy bro. It’s easy. You can play the game and not give them money
>>93389384Nobody has any good arguments to why this is bad and neither do you
>>93387869this argument only works if all cards are equally valuablethey're not, so any talk of>this is +/-1 is retarded. Arcane denial sucks because it lets your opponent draw and every potential draw has a chance of being the silver bullet that kills you.If you run blue you have card draw so all you are doing by using arcane denial is sabatoging yourself.You want an actual good counterspell? an offer you can't refuse. Because as much as the dogshit players here cry about fast mana, mana is useless without cards, it is always better to give mana than card draw
>>93389266Just jam in a wasteland and a strip mine and you're good to go.
>>93388259Would you share your Kaysa list?
alright, had me a greentext story today. think I finally hit my zen as far as no longer being frustrated at all.>guy that always plays high powered shit, pub stomping>play an equal level deck>spams removal/counters with standard grixis good shit>gets pissy and talks shit when it's thrown back>removes everything on my board multiple times>do the same to him>gets more and more pissy, whining loudly that he should've taken me out first>get half of my library milled then bojaka'd>end up winning barely, as the guy just seethes and whines>realize this is what I would sound like if I just spoke my mindnext game..>guy is still agitated and gossiping about last game>everyone plays different decks except him>spams ETB non-land destruction>everything I play is countered or destroyed, guy is still seething>realize this is incredibly toxic and scoop, go to a different table>guy is smirking and super happy that he made me scoop
>>93387869let me ask you a questionyour opponent casts Kozilek, the Great Distortion.Is it better to cast counterspell or arcane denial?
>>93389465arcane denial because now he gets 9 cards instead of 7 and will kill someone else instead of me for a turn or two
>>93387691Here you go.Was hoping the wolf from this next set can replace Ruric Thar, or for there to be a sea monster guy in this set since I kinda want all my commanders to be from different planes>>93388259nice Diao Chan. Love 3 Kingdoms stuff. Hoping to get all the main characters's cards one day.>>93388568I almost made Ashling instead of my red deck since I started playing at Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, and was kinda hoping her MH3 version was more like her original. Not a fan of her new version and I do not have high hopes for the return to there.
I thank God for bloomburrow, finally free from DEI shit and not having to look at garbage like niggagorn.I will take furshit over that any time.
I'm a slowboi but ashnod's altar + trudge garden + blood artist is an "infinite" combo right?
>>93389499if you already have 2 mana floating yes, otherwise the death/lifegain triggers will go on top of the ashnod's mana gain trigger and you'll miss the chance to pay 2 to make the token
>>93389521neat my deck has two wincons
The game needs more anti-infinite combo tech. Being able to just keep the combo and ignoring interaction is kind of lame for some of them if you aren't blue and can't stop things on the stack.'If another replacement effect would occur, instead that source's controller loses 3 life''This spell can't trigger abilities. Split second. Until end of turn, whenever a permanent with the same name entered the battlefield 3 or more times, or a non-mana activated or triggered ability triggered, activated, or a spell is cast or copied 3 or more times this turn, exile it and exile all other spells and abilities.''Whenever an ability an opponent controls triggers more than once, you gain control of all abilities."
>>93389563Game needs aggressive banlists.
>>93389563We need to bring back mana burn
>>93389499It's infinite.>>93389521Shut up, retard. Ashnod's is a mana ability, it doesn't use the stack.
>>93389608no
>only one wall in bloomburrow>it's a tokenThis is bullshit.
>>93389687should've been a red Wall for a Redwall joke
>>93389687What were you hoping for?A "Red" wall, perhaps?
>>93389707Just more walls in general. It's my favorite creature type.
>>93389687The wall token doesn't even look much like a wall.
>>93389772
>>93389563Play stax. It's like ejaculating; the easiest way to stop cumming is to never start.
Saturday at the lgs 0-3 all losses my fault, heavy punts>g1 playing hazezon, realm razer, have the game, forget to leave open a white source t swords my opponents flyer which kills me, opponents literally had nothing after realm razer was played, I had lands cryptolith rite and sand warriors for mana still>game 2 playing varchild, give the Henry wu player 12 tokens because my edhfagbraing tells me I shouldn't attack the same guy twice, Henry wu foodchains off next turnHe had to dig for it but still shit luck lol>g3 sholgengar have game winning combo in graveyard, blunder 2 pieces of removal and that ends up putting me a turn behind so I'm too late to combo offFun games still, enjoyable enjoyable successful day
>>93388949Yeah this card kicks massive amounts of ass.
Total noob here, is it me or the family matters precon has something like 10 or less cards with bloomburrow theme? Whats the F point then? I was going to gift the deck to my GF but without cute animals it's not going to work. Is it better idea to purchase a draft box? They seem to cost almost the same but those have all bloomburrow cards. Help
>>93389567This is the only good suggestion concerning how gay the game has gotten
>>93389812I got a draft box to open with my gf. She wants to play magic with me and I figure this is a good cute set to introduce her to it. And I'm getting her the bunny precon cause it's cuter. The fuck you getting the bird for bro birds are gay
>>93389442He sounds like a tool. There are plenty of him out there.
>>93389827Your girlfriend is fat.
>>93389827It would be ok of it had actuall birds, the deck is full of cards without bloomburrow art or am I missing something?
>>93389860>gf (male)
>>93387691Oh shit we POSTAN?!Not pictured here is a Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck I took pieces out of and the Darigaaz the Igniter deck I'll be cooking next week hopefully when my TCGPlayer orders start coming in. You know I have thousands of dollars of cards in these decks but I'm more excited to play this lower power dragon tribal compared to what I have. Nothing will ever beat my love of werewolves though. Luv red and green 'ate blue, simple as. Awoooooooo
>>93388593Actually the best cEDH combos are ones in your command zone, followed by ones with Breach. Thoracle is just an easy one that requires no setup.
>>93389903>all that tribal slop
>>93389931t. bl*e playerYour parents should have casted Counterspell on your birth
>>93389903>>93389941Gross. You are a collector of garbage.
>>93389877Commander precons are never cards exclusively from the set/plane they're associated with, with the sole exception of Universes Beyond ones. This is especially true for new planes, like Bloomburrow. The only one that was advertised as being focused on a specific type of animal was the squirrel one, and even that ended up being only half squirrels. I have no idea why so many people expected them to be bird, raccoon, and rabbit tribal, when absolutely nothing implied any of those three would be, especially with the squirrel one making it clear that if they were going to be focused on a particular type of animal they would have explicitly stated it.
>>93389903>OG QuintHell yeah. I was debating on making a deck for him and Loremaster. Whats your like?
>>93389960Yeah, the Squirrel deck is like half Squirrel stuff, half generic token swarm stuff.
>>93389941>>93389956>"A player having fun in EDH? Not on my watch!">*casts Cyclonic Rift*We ban all Bl*e players at my tables
>>93389960This all said they did make SOME reprints with Bloomburrow art, just not all of it.
>>93389968Being bad and building exclusively tribal decks isnt fun, it's stagnate. The next step in evolution is to engage the game mechanically rather than playing a dumb matching game and blaming blue players for it.
>>93389982A man is having fun and that scares you lol
>>93389860My girlfriend is young and skinny but she will soon be fat with my baby yes.>>93389877Precons are generally a method for wotc to print a lot of nearstaples so keep their prices low, mixed in with some new cards. The set is where new cards are found ^.^
>>93389982>you need to play the game the way I like to, no other way is valid
These are mine, Disa is just the precon that I want to keep unchanged so I have something to play with other precons
>>93389968Cyc Rift should have been banned with Thassa's Oracle YEARS ago
>>93390002No? A man is rolling in his own shit repeatedly and I'm telling him to stop. Why would I be afraid of that?>>93390004Yes. The only way to play magic is to read the cards, figure out how they work together, and build around their interactions.
>>93390007How good is Inalla ?
>>93390020Lolno. Cyclonic rift is perfectly fine, it doesnt destroy anything.
>>93390029Easily my strongest deck
>>93390023Because you're rolling in your own competitive shit repeatedly and being a fucking hypocrite?
>>93390032My main problem with Cyc Rift is that it's so splashable. Price is the only thing holding it back from being in every deck where a commander has blue in its color identity
>>93390032Except tokens.Technically speaking Blue could have a card that says "destroy target token" and it'd be perfectly in-pie.
>>93390042>if a deck isnt tribal it's competitiveAh, the brainworms. There is a wide variety of deck building options that arent laser focusing on the type line and jamming them together. That's the second lowest form of deck building.
>>93390039Do you have a list? NTA but I have been meaning to make her. She seems to be a fun balance of value shit while also constantly having the ability to combo off to win the game if shit needs to end.
>>93390054Holy fucking shit we get it "Tribal Bad EDHREC netdecking good" can you shut the fuck up and fuck off already? You haven't even posted any of your decks but I bet you run the most CEDH cards available like >>93389442this guy in the story who sperged out over losing
>>93388827I can't speak to Satya specifically, since I'm a stubborn bastard and am sticking to Temur, but energy is fun as long as you enjoy the Rube Goldberg nature of having some pieces that generate resource, other pieces that expend resource, and additional pieces that capitalize on the whole thing. You do get hard countered by anyone dropping Solemnity, though. I would say that, of all my decks, it's the one that I've spent the most time playtesting just so that I can execute my turns in a timely manner without slowing things down for everyone else.>>93389485>MH3 AshlingPersonally, I'm just relieved that her visual design wasn't even slightly changed. Between that and the handful of MOM cards giving us a glimpse of Lorwyn, I'm at least somewhat hopeful that they won't completely botch the visuals when we go back. The gameplay, though, could really go either way. Especially since it's only a year and a half after Bloomburrow, which feels like it's hitting some of the same thematic space with stuff like gifting a fish.
>>93390043You mean like Farewell in whiteor Blasphemous Act in redor Toxic Deluge in blackor Bane of Progress in green
>>93390069>he thinks netdecking is a thing and edhrec is a helpful resourceLow iq anon detected. I understand, all the typelines arent the same so it's hard for you to understand, but there are ways to build decks that arent tribal. It's just embarassing that you spent thousands of dollars building the second easiest type of deck to build.
Are 2mv counterspells too slow for a Yuriko deck that's high power but not quite cEDH?
>>93390052Would be worse than "return to hand"They should totally replace it with that
>>93390109And yet you're the one seething and still replying to tribal decks being posted...
>>93390075If you think any of those are on Cyc Rift 's level, you have to be a nogames
>>93390112I am outside your home.
>>93390023>Yes the only way to play...Tribal does all the things you said anon!
>>93390052No it couldn't at all. Just because that is what happens when you bounce a token doesn't mean that blue is now destroying tokens
Is this thing fun? Has anyone here built her? Seems like skullbriar but in more interesting colors. I have skullbriar and love him but this one seems to have a bit more flexibility
>>93390159If you're not running Blasphemous Act in every deck with red access, you're the nogames. It's literally 1 mana for 13 damage you'd have to be retarded to not see how hard that trades up to the point you want to run it in control decks because it answers almost all early aggression short of a cEDH combo (where rift also sucks)Literally every single card except BoP is a must-take if it's in your identity because they are absurdly cheap and/or flexible boardwipes.
Need to cut a card from the birbs. Any recommendations?https://www.moxfield.com/decks/5dRj66uKmEWqwbfugITiHA
>>93390199huh? that's not me
Just ordered 6 decks, 1 for a friend and 1 for the wife, the rest for me, very excited as one is a pet deck that i tried to make work ages ago
>>93390175Functionally it could. It's a sort of thing that'd NEVER be printed, but Blue is entirely capable of doing that. Technically makes it the only colour capable of destroying any permanent type (but only if it's a token).
>>93390163Prove it
>>93390062https://www.moxfield.com/decks/FaYWsYHI00-YIWdHjpYW3AI changed a lot out a few days ago
>>93390209I'd rather not cut any of the new Bloomburrow cards until testing them. I know Perch Protection is kinda shit but I want to play test it with my pod before deciding if it's staying in the 99.
>>93390231>Dire Fleet Ravager>Anathemancer You aight, white boy
>>93390231I see. What's the deal with Aether Channeler? I understand it's pretty good in general, but I see people talking about it like it's the second coming for Inalla. Do you bounce him back and have a way to go infinite with him or is it just really good value? Also, is the deck fun to pilot?
>>93390199It's a cool ability but I don't think it's any skullbriar desu, skullbriar's huge advantage is coming down turn 2 and having hasteThat being said with "me" you get some interesting colors and more variety of counters, so it could absolutely be a fun build, I would be curious what izzet colors bring to the strategy
>>93390227No anon not functionally or technically. Blue can bounce things.
>>93390260It's just really good value, the deck is fun for me because it's easy to set yourself up to loop creatures and spells from the graveyard and grind everyone out
>>93390292Sweet, I may steal your list and cut some of the stuff I don't feel like affording, like Snapcaster.
>>93390278I don't expect it to be a super strong commander, but as a Skullbriar enjoyer, I thought she might be a fun take on the archetype. Currently scryfalling to find some fun cards.
>>93387299>What's the most recent deck you've built that isn't a soulless precon upgrade ?Waifu material
>>93387449Skill check
>>93390371smash mole into ppl
>>93387911this but don't ban any other fast mana. I deserve an advantage due to my financial status
>>93390406this but unban the moxen
My bae
>>93388983based. was also considering him
>>93390428i made a $20 deck with her, was pretty fun, thinking about how to upgrade her
>>93390437It's almost more fun to run her on a super budget
>>93390470it was actually quite fun since having the army of 1/1 deathtouchers is a really good "stay tf away from me" for higher power decks.
I'm really starting to enjoy building decks where the commander's threat level effectively scales with the number of opponents. Anyone have any suggestions for new ones I can try?
>>93390547A lot of the Doctor Who 'villain deck' legends are kind of like that, scaling when there's more than one person they're going against.
>>93390587Could this work with reaper king clones to go crazy?
>>93390199You can literally run the Sakashimas and Spark Double for Me Me Me
>>93390601I mean, you'd need a way to reliably make copies of it, but sure? And eventually they'd run out of targets and have to cannibalise themselves.
>>93390547Duke Ulder Ravengard
>>93389432When I get home. I'm at my buddies house playing mtg.
I play with no infinites, removal for specific permanents that stop me from playing the game, and flavor cards for my commander. If I don't get interrupted or board wiped I can probably win on turn 8 or 9. It's a tribal deck. What's my deck's power level /edhg/?
>>9339067010 go to the cEDH table.
>>93387464Don't forget its brother.
do you think this and big dumb spells is would be fun if my favorite decks are actually filled with low cmc cards and a million triggers per action?
I've grown to like this guy in my 99. How fun is it to play him as commander? Mirrorworks, Ugin's Nexus, Rings of Brighthearth sound like fun times.
>>93390790I kinda want to make my thousand moon smithy deck with him as the commander instead of losheel
>>93387579I'm gonna include it in my Omo deck, will let me counter w/o holding mana, or cast a fuckhuge spell The REAL question we need to be asking is: How much bullshit stax should I put in my Bello deck?https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pTsBTCyDsEWvwQIk8JQuuA
>>93390824100% even the lands should be stax
>>93388964Tap out for a win on your upkeep effect and give them a turn to try to kill you.
>>93390790Hey I just lost a game playing him!
>>93387892The fact it pays for both blue and colorless means it's going to be used in the most annoying type of deck: Extra turn tribal.
>>93388964realistically...>Jeremy Wina 2 card combo where the commander is half of it, requires little mana, and requires a counterspell to interact with due to the nature of priority and repeating the combo over removal/interaction. >Kyle winA deck that is good stuff and better than other decks at the table, and simply wins through value attrition and then combos out, usually has blue in it to counter the little interaction the table has. >Dipshit kingUsing the best good stuff crutches such as mana crypt, dockside, smothering, rhystic etc then using shit-for-brains combos such as thassa's oracle/demonic consultation.
>>93388949sweet, i loved new cappena, it still got some surprises for me.>stealing a damn Sol Ring, when you just know that player kept a greedy hand just because of it>shutting off cabal coffers
>>93390883All three of those are cEDH wincons.>JeremyNajeela, Sisay, Tivit, Pip-Mizzet>KyleKenrith, ironically Kinnan and Nadu>Dipshit kingAny deck that has it in color identity
>>93390907Yeah the amount of seethe I have caused doing exactly this brings a smile to my face
>>93388959Fixed how
>>93390920Are you a dumbo?
>>93390926No I just like squad mechanically and flavorfully
>>93389965Oh shit sorry I was too distracted by that other guyI basically took the skeleton of Commander Mechanic's decklist back when Strixhaven first came out and bought what I could afford and then substituted in the gaps of what I couldn'thttps://www.moxfield.com/decks/uB9hO7lChUKDGGXxFq6dJQHaven't updated it or built the new Quint because I only got back into Magic in the last month thanks to Bloomburrow. God I wish the fetches were this cheap when I was only focused on buying cards for this game hehThis is my "budget" versionhttps://www.moxfield.com/decks/1ytkkTcnqUu1LN9TAtZbNw
We all use TCGPlayer, right?
>>93390977I like not having to order from multiple sites, so, yes. Card kingdom is never going to actually have everything I want in stock for a big order
>>93390957Nice, thanks for the lists. I was gonna go for something similar with a bunch of Sun Titan effects but it looks like there are plenty of ways to recur. >LoremasterNo list but I plan on making a Stax Enchantment deck inspired by Legacy Parfait.
>>93390935Fixed power leve wise
>>93390977I like to use Hareruya because the yen is basically worthless at this point
>>93390209Don't run Cartographer's Hawk
>running cards I think are cool>running cards that provide the most value for the least costWhy do I always choose the latter
>>93391282bc ur a shitter
>>93391282It's the hardest lesson every player has to learn. Good job anon.
>>93390075All of those are at least symmetrical.
>>93391474They all also cost less and make it more difficult for your opponents to replay their cards.
>>93391282I mix the two. The problem with only running 1 is that you never get to do cool things with them unless you run a bit of 2 to help get them out and going.
>>93390071The thing is that I 100% believe they will do some abomination stuff with the elves and kithkin.Like we will see black kithkin and we will see obese elves as "Perfects" in their society. Shit that was never there in the original showing of the Plane.The Elementals are mostly immune to this but I am also glad they kept Ashling the same looking. Her design is perfect.
>>93387514You don't look half bad anon why the schizo haircut
>>93387408I know some of you perverts made an all female version of this deck just for the offspring joke. Anybody got a list?
>bought my buddy some packs for his birthday>he pulled a Nadu and a foil Flooded StrandFelt good
>>93391282I have the opposite problem, I choose commanders that give me a flavourful excuse to run all my favourite high cmc shit>ovika, enigma Goliath >codie, vociferous codex>sauruman, the white hand>the mimeoplasmAll top tier choices
>>93391673you cute
>>93387639Mfw this is the dude I've been arguing about arcane denial with in these threads
>>93391673Tell him to sell Nadu ASAP before it inevitably gets banned from every format
>>93391803That's what I'm doing with the 20 Shuko's that I had in my kamigawa bulk.
>>93391823I was able to turn a bunch of Shukos into a volcanic island. I love when random bulk suddenly shoots up in price.
I just noticed they removed "Totem" and it is now "Umbra Armor"Holy fucking shit who the fuck do they think is being offended? Where are they spawning these imaginary people from who are offended from Tribal and Totem?
>>93390199This just made me realize the only two cards that mention haste counters are both from Jurassic Park. I can get why they aren't more common since functionally they're not much different than haste for a turn, but still. I guess in theory if you could make Me a dinosaur Owen Grady does offer up some nice counters, though that'd be a bizarre set of hoops to jump through.
>>93391860Oh boy, I hope nobody tells this guy about what happened to tribal cards...
>>93391864It's not impossible, and I'm wondering how much it's worth it to put in cards to make this possible. Cards that have an effect and incidentally make Me a dinosaur. Maybe tossing in Omo might not be bad just to give her an everything counter on Omo's etb. Still a waste but also big payoff for trample, reach and haste on her. Those tokens are not particularly easy to come by, and it only needs to work once or twice to get forever keywords.
>>93390224kys richfag
>>93391673Nice. Bought two packs on a whim today and pulled a cavern of souls, promo card was a toski too very successful day of magic
>>93391865clearly only the savage brown people have ever been in tribes or used totems anon, so it's offensive for us (smart and white) to print those words on our cardboard. get with the times bigot
Ive been away from mtg for a few years Hows the format holding up? Can I still play piles of removal and big dumb creatures and have a shot at winning?
>>93391865Controversial option, but while I think the reason for the change was dumb I prefer "kindred enchantment" etc. to "tribal enchantment". If you aren't already familiar with magic fan terminology tribal doesn't really communicate that this is a card that counts as a specific creature type. I know I found the term somewhat odd until I learned "tribal" is the common fan term for decks built around a specific creature type. Kindred on the other hand does indicate kinship with the creature type, and there already existed a cycle of spells called "Kindred [something]" (i.e. Kindred Discovery or Kindred Dominance) that care about creature type.
>Build a combo deck>Can't keep up with all the triggersI honestly might be too dumb to play
>>93392212Play aggro
>>93392194As long as you don't say "typal" which is such an ugly word
>>93391860I'm not particularly upset about this one. All but 2 of the cards that provide the armor have Umbra in the name. Also, totem armor doesn't even make sense. Neither from a usage case (like with umbra) nor from a flavor perspective. There are no totems associated with the protection nor the cards that grant them. My only issue is change for the sake of it or change for imagined offense reasons.
won twice with big dinoslost once with rakdos group slug
>was able to win with ajani in a literal 2v1 against mono blue urza and chatterfangLmao, 2cat. Ban when?
>>93392194There's also the keyword Kinship.
Honestly might build this just to use up alot of my bulk.
>>93392158Depends on the table, as always. Most places, sure. There's some pretty fucked up reset buttons like Farewell that can make it difficult for battlecruiser to seal the deal, and some annoying A+B combos that can end the game out of nowhere, but it's still EDH. Main thing that's changed the past five years is that everything's a turn or two faster and there's endless amounts of incidental card advantage/self-powering engines. We've unironically hit the point where Solemn Simulacrum is too slow and doesn't do enough, which is dire.
>>93388593In 20+ games I think I only saw it once of twice.
>>93392494Shouldn't she be asian? With one half of her head shaved and a color streak of course.
>>93392709I wish. Then she'd be hot
>>93392923True. Asian women are notoriously attractive. I don't think they make sexy magic cards though.
>>93392511>We've unironically hit the point where Solemn Simulacrum is too slow and doesn't do enough, which is dire.Not if you run fast mana. T2 Solemn is very good still.
>>93388983Yeah, anyone that thinks this card is "bad" are fucking morons. This thing does a lot, and is a perfect Jeweled Lotus target to power out t1.
Please goldfish your decks anons. One of the guys at my table tonight cast a tutor ever turn and spent 5+ minutes during every single search.
>>93393261There's a guy in my playgroup that does this and it's infuriating because of how god damn stupid he is. His decks are almost always UBx and contain every premium tutor and counterspell for at least twenty of his deck's cards no matter the power level of the table. Every single tutor takes ages to resolve, every single interaction point takes a minute to resolve because he's not sure if he should counter something minuscule, and it's just tiresome.
>>93393291How has your playgroup not ganged up on him to the point where he doesn't do that anymore?
>>93393307It's a combination of several problems. Poor threat assessment is the main one, they don't' really understand how threatening tutors are. They also are generally not good at taking their free attacks to get in for minor damage and pressure life totals. And then our tables are generally lower interaction besides myself and the idiot UBx player who will just counter something if he has a counter and mana available for it. Idiot UBx player also will just play spite and use all his counter magic on the first person who targeted him for the entire game.
>>93393332NTA but that sounds awful. What are you supposed to do in that situation?
>>93392511i still love my solemn. i value actual land ramp very much in non green and i will pay the premium for it, instead of waiting until my mana rocks get blown out.granted, i have a playgroup, we dont play combo and dont feed too much in to the powercreep, and i abuse him trough cost reduction and reanimation loops.>but it's still EDHthats the main point for my playgroup at least, there is still enough playroom to dick a round a bit and "take a turn off" to play Solemn, it might even be a good lowball and way to take some heat off of you
>>93393354punish him for his stupid use of interaction and point it out if it costs him the game, rub it in his face, if you managed to win because of it.might take a while, there are some REAL slow learners out there
>>93393354>Poor threat assessmentLet the others know after the game about better plays they could have made.>Don't understand how threatening tutors areIf someone tutors once, they're getting the best card in their deck. The odds of your opening the game with your best card are like 10% after three draws, so you could roughly equate someone casting a tutor as casting thirty card draw spells. If someone tutors twice, they can have an A+B combo and threaten a win. You are statistically not likely to have an A+B until you've drawn 60+ cards without a tutor. You do your best to explain that to them, but some people literally just can't see past someone drawing extra cards and ramping because the tutor is "hidden" information even though you know the tutor was done.>Not good at taking free attacksIf you have utility creatures and they have no blocks, you swing the utility creatures. If you have utility creatures and they have utility creatures that would trade with them, blocking will fuck them over worse than not blocking, so they should not block you. Simply put "if my creature won't die or will trade, I should swing it." generally, but there are exceptions where keeping your utility creature can be better.>Low interaction tablesThis one is tough because each table and player is different. You should have a decent chunk of interaction in your deck, but some decks want or can afford more. Increasing the amount of interaction available at tables with poor threat assessment is not good though, it just leads to kingmaking plays.>Player playing spiteThe answer is to not invite them again, but I don't have control over that in my situation. The second answer is part of threat assessment actually. If you have a player at your table who you know will not play in good faith, then they are the most dangerous player at the table for everyone and it is correct for all three players to focus the spite player down so they can't play kingmaker someone.
>>93393407Sort of related to what you said about threat assessment. The reason why Rhystic Study is so good is because it's not flashy and it's a one card engine. Players are FAR more likely to target he player who sets up a three card engine because they've cast more things and they're drawing cards. Most players do not pay for Rhystic Study and will not punish the Rhystic Study player because it doesn't look as dangerous as the three card engine, even though it's probably drawing just as many cards while costing less.
>>93393445So what, do you just hate out the person who plays Rhystic Study?
>>93393445In my experience most people just beat down the person with Rhystic Study nowadays
>>93393451Yes. You avoid paying it for as long as possible. As soon as someone breaks the seal, then the Rhystic Study player has to die in order to avoid the Prisoner's Dilemma.>>93393454You have no idea how badly I wish this was true.
>>93393407I'm guilty of not recognizing tutors as threats, but when you spell it out like that it makes me realizes how incredibly wrong I've been for not doing so. I always thought tutors were a tempo loss for card quality so there was a trade off, but taking a small tempo loss for essentially the same value as drawing thirty cards isn't really a trade off. I'll definitely try to punish people who tutor more now.
>>93393407>the beatings will continue until morale improvesyeah your dipshit kingmaker player is actually going to learn from that
>>93393445I don't think anything tilts me more than people who won't pay for Rhystic Study but will spend removal on someone else's engine.
>>93393407>>93393506The average player is literally too fucking stupid to use removal properly. Unironically, most people should not play removal in their decks.
>actual good gameplay discussion at the end of the threadLike pottery
Is the squirrel golgari precon focused on tokens or does it have other way of playing? Squirrels look fun but I hate tokens.
>>93393291Unrelated to the rest of the discussion, but I hate people who build multiple decks only to include the bulk of the same cards. What's the point of making multiple Dimir decks if over half the deck is exactly the same?
>>93393554Dimir players are like Simic players in that 70% of their decks are exactly the same and all play 100% identically. The difference is that the Dimir player thinks they're really smart for playing 70% cheat code cards, but the Simic player doesn't give a fuck and just does it because it's easy.
>>93393576I never thought I'd see the day someone defends Simic players.
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>>93393407Your bit about tutors = 30 card draw is flat out wrong, and depending on the type of tutor in question is often card disadvantage. It's better to look at tutors as a 2nd copy of a card you want in a deck that removes all copies of it once it's cast. Not only that, but the use of tutors tends to change depending on how strong decks are, where low powered games they fetch proactive cards, high powered games (where most EDH games are played) they tend to fetch reactive cards, and in cEDH they fetch combo pieces.You don't get to just plainly say "Demonic Tutor = 30 cards drawn" when an actual 30 cards drawn is astronomically more powerful in every conceivable way you can imagine.
>>93393407>you could equate a tutor to drawing 30 cardsIs so fucking stupid you people say the wildest shit
>>93392709Sounds hot desu
>>93393407>terrible player types out an essay just to present a thinly veiled bitch post about how much he hates tutorshmmm and yet demonic tutor isn't the king of cedh, rhystic study isbecause card draw is objectively better than tutors, because the game is dynamic, it doesn't matter if they tutor for their "best card" if they have no means of playing or protecting it. Meanwhile draw gives you more threats and more answers, giving you an actual mathematical advantage in a way a tutor does not.but by all means, continue to expose what a dogshit player you are
>>93392511>and some annoying A+B combos that can end the game out of nowhereThat's always been a thing in edh.
