>TQ
the one that rightfully belongs to the Greenskins. Which is all of them.

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boy i sure do love being forced to take a dragon every game

>>93427564
Why are you averse to running anything that isn't meta?
Because it's not an issue for any army to have to run a unit.

>>93427564
Glad you love it. Dragons are great.

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>>93427470
A shelf just fell on my head, what army should I start with my new found brain damage

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>Historical miniature companies make better WHFB miniatures that GW
Historical chads, we can't stop winning

>>93427570
>having to spend 25% of your points on a single character just to have a functional army isnt an issue
the absolute state of towddlers

>>93427597
Why do WAACfags persist? How do we convince them to compete in killing themselves the fastest?

>>93427507
The only thing that belongs to the greenskins are the mass graves that they're put in.

>>93427615
>if you want a functional army list you are a waacfag
least retarded towddler

>>93427597
>if I don't take the strong unit i'm bitching about that means my army isn't functional
Running any army with dragons as an options means you're not running any of the actually weak armies.

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>>93427576
>Victrix sells these superiorly crafted knights, $45 for 18 knights
>Meanwhile, GW™ sells these pic related cartoon characters, $60 for 3 (THREE LMAO)
Historical players simply can't lose. I don't understand why GW paypiggies keep doing it to themselves

>>93427739
>Historical players
Are apparently incapable of posting in their own general.

>>93427756
Looks like our first coping paypiggy has arrived

>>93427564

Play at lower points levels then. Like 1250 is low enough that any attempt at a dragonlord is severely gimped isn't it?

>>93427576
>>93427739
I say this as a 15 year warhammrr fan, I want to keep defending gw but seeing pics like this side by side makes it really hard

>>93427697
https://woehammer.com/2024/06/28/old-world-win-rates-16th-june-2024/
they have a 36% win rate. the list is basically not functional even with the dragon.

>>93427576
Not defending GW's jewry, but aren't these usually a decent bit smaller?

>>93427576
What are these from? They're very nice.

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>>93427814
No. Before the NuHammer scale creep, Warhammer was actually 28mm as advertised. WHFB minis are mostly 28mm just like historicals. But that's a non argument anyways, considering how mismatched the scale is between GWs own miniatures , pic related

>>93427826
Victrix medieval cavalry, they releasing a "fantasy" head swap

>>93427790
>I have a win rate within 10% of all but the strongest armies this means it's unplayable
>based on tournament meta running scream and viletide lists
lmao yeah definitely not a waacfag.

>>93427854
>n-nooo acktually ur list is functional b-because it just i-is! o-okay?!
not an argument, drooling towddler retard.

>>93427900
Go back to posting perries and pretending to play Empire. It was less retarded.

>>93427918
take you meds before posting here lil bro

So which dorf units are good?

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>>93427847
>pic related
Height increase is just a natural benefit gained from the mastery of necromancy

>>93427854
Yes anon, having 20% WR lower than the stronger armies is BAD.

45-55 is the acceptable range.

>imagine caring about tournament winrates

>>93428004
>WAAC fags running meta-lists should be the balancing factor of a game
I have zero interest in any argument leading to absolute drek like modern 40K.
If you can't deal with your army not being in the top 10% results from tournaments you don't play in anyway then run another army.

>>93428047
>if you cant deal with not having a functional army just play a different army
t. least retarded towddler

>>93427790

DElves are basically overcosted everywhere. They actually do have good stuff in their list, like the Dragon and the Sorceress Familiar that strait up adds 12" to their casting range, but... their rank and file and elites are all like two to three points per model too expensive.

Does this list include Armies of Infamy in their factions? Because if so, I can see Dwarves jumping up at least a few percentage points with the new book. Engineer Armies could very easily be cancer if someone finds that extreme configuration. I'm personally thinking all gunline and at least 6 Scout Gyro's, preferably 12. But I'm just theorycrafting here.

Royal Guard isn't going to do much, as people will probably just overload on runes. The real question I have is what about an Ungrim list where half the entire list literally gives no points out if you kill them? A meme? Or could this actually work?

>>93428080
Functional herein defined as "not in the top 10% winrates of tournaments you don't play in". Then again I doubt you're actually playing anything if you're bitching about dragons since a level 4 Wiz is enough to stop it.

>>93427564
With the new large target rules they're much easier to counter so I don't see the issue.

>>93428105
im bitching about being forced to take a dragon since the rest of the list is complete garbage you illiterate fucking RETARD

>>93428047

It IS the balancing factor of the game. GW have repeatedly said so. Although luckily most Specialist Games tend not to get hit that often with FAQ rebalances, aside from KT and Blood Bowl. Poor bastards.
That said, the latest patch... sorry "FAQ" is probably going to see Night Goblin armies drop a bit with the changes to Fanatics, including the clarification about Bretonnian Stakes, and with both the new book and the clarification about Deathblow now getting the Slayer rule (I say clarification, it's basically a ruling that's the exact opposite of how the rule is worded to work, but whatever GW, you do you.) Dwarves should get a bump in percentage points as well.

>>93428131
>muh dragon
>every single point wasted by a lvl 4 wiz locking it up half the game
>I TOTALLY PLAY YOU GUIS

>>93428142
>muh lvl 4 locks it up all game eventhough i get dispelled 50% of the time
ok nogames

>>93428131
>Enemy takes a dragon
>Your 30 skeleton bowmen all shoot and wound him twice
>Do it again next turn
Again they're not a problem anymore

>>93428160
are all towddlers illiterate?

>>93428177
Check the latest FAQ B)

>>93428193
my argument is that my army list doesnt function without taking a dragon and barely functions even with one, you fucking morons.

>>93428152

Dwarf player here. Tell me how. PLEASE.

>>93427739
>sculpts look worse
>paint job looks worse
>price is 10x worse (literally)
Sincerely, what is the allure that draws so many people to Warhammer? Is it because it's the entry doorway game that the majority of people never move past?

>>93428230
dwarf king to scare them away, cannons with engineers or new royal clan stuff last I heard.

>>93428264

It's better than 40k, and pushing big squares of troops about makes monkey neuron go brrrrr.

>>93428264
Presumably because by playing warhammer you don't have to become that sad person who goes into other threads to whine about people not playing the games you want with the sculpts you want.

>>93428297
I'm referring to Warhammer in general, not just fantasy

>>93428304
I play WHFB

I really like chaos warriors.

>>93428228
But that's literally on you. You were only obligated to take a dragon because dragons were the main anti-dragon. Now they're not.
This is like walking into a burger shop, grabbing ketchup, saying "I can ONLY use ketchup" while ignoring the staff trying to hand you mustard.
The only one requiring it is yourself.

How fight ogres

>>93428362
>You were only obligated to take a dragon because dragons were the main anti-dragon.
no, we are obligated to take a dragon because the rest of our list is fucking terrible, hence why we have a 36% win rate even including a dragon.

>>93428371
Very carefully.

>>93428390
That was when dragons ruled the day, anon.
Those days are past!

>>93428396
Semi-related, is the dragon slaying sword as good as it looks? I wanted to give it to an aspiring champion of slaanesh, so he wouldn't flee when fighting any dragons.

>>93428396
>That was when dragons ruled the day, anon.
no. those were post nerf.
>Those days are past!
no they arent. also they are still the only thing list in our list that isnt terrible.
>>93428421
its garbage unless your character is also on a dragon.

>>93428441
well that's sad
I wrote that my sorcerer lord doesn't like dragons, so I'll never use one

>>93428371
Shoot them. Or just be faster than them.

>>93428441
>no. those were post nerf
The stats you posted were from June. Dragon nerf was last week. Check the dates, senpai!

>>93428550
>Dragon nerf was last week
if you think that an extra rank of garbage missile units, who can barely hit and wound on 6's is scary to a dragon who has a 2+5++ or better, you are delusional. the vast majority of missile units are garbage and the good ones were being ran in 1 rank anyway so it changes nothing.

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I'm fairly certain my local GW is having a diorama/epic duel category for armies on parade this year

unironically, because i'm lazy and don't want to paint models, should I do pic related, just with a bretonnian knight?

>>93428371
Ogres are fast, not many armies are outrunning them. 6" move infantry, 8" move cav and monsters and a ton of vanguard, scouts, and ambusher.

>>93428606
Yes, that sounds like a great idea.
If you want to take it a step further, you could make the windmill be half a windmill (reality) and half a giant (his delusion).

>>93428597
>Extra rank
My brother it is every member of the unit.
30 shots is definitely getting through 2+5++. Two or three turns and that nigga DEAD

>>93428371
just dont let them charge you, shoot them, bog them down with cheap shit and abuse challenges to reduce their killing power
they're honestly not that good unless the guy is spamming all monsters or something gay like that

>>93428690
>My brother it is every member of the unit.
yeah, so nothing of value.
>30 shots is definitely getting through 2+5++.
lmao. 30 shots hitting on 5's wounding on 6's does nothing to a 2+.
>Two or three turns and that nigga DEAD
more like 2 of 3 turns and he took 1 wound, but you wont get 3 turns because its fast as fuck and flying and do whatever it wants.

i hope you waste points on blocks of 30 garbage missile troops, just makes my dragon MORE cost effective when i only eat 1 round of ineffective mediocre shooting before being locked in combat all game.

>>93428672
or just be insistent to everyone who questions it that the diorama I made is a knight vs a giant

>>93428725
that's an even better idea

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>>93428713
Just DEW the maths and you'll come to understand

>>93428742
i did the maths, you do 0.2 wounds. its a nerf to slow monsters with bad armor saves, it doesnt hurt dragons at all.

>>93428160
>on most missions start at least 24" away
>you get one turn of partial fire, maybe one full volley
>30 shots from skeletons have a 68% chance of failing to wound a 3+/5+ dragon
The large target change will essentially only matter for irondrakes. Maybe if you go deep on ushabti with bows or lead belchers for some awful reason.

>>93428750
>The large target change will essentially only matter for irondrakes
not even, because they were in 1 rank anyway.

>>93428736
although an empire knight on a plain horse might fit it better? (based on the story)

but it might look a little plain, when compared to a bretonnian

>>93427949
Most things are good.
Miners suck, most War machines suck, thunderers suck outside of expeditionary Force. Doom seekers, dragon slayers, demon slayers can all be good but slayers themselves are hot garbage.
Gyrobombers are unfortunately just the strictly worst version of gyrocopters.

>>93427576
Those look great, shame they only really have stuff that works for Bretonnia.

>>93428757
One of my friends that plays dwarves ran a 14 or 15 man unit. Can't say I really know much about dwarves though.

>>93428749
Your maths is a bit lacking, my friend. But consider a 30pt amulet of the serpent and poisoned attacks on 30 B)
Bye-bye, dragon!

>>93428827
hed have been better of splitting them into 3x 5x and hed still be better off doing so. the damage comes from the champions torpedo, a 15x man unit has basically the same damage output as a 5x unit. they are stupidly designed

>>93428836
>Your maths is a bit lacking, my friend.
the actual maths was 0.185 but you can keep coping.

Do the Spider Riders sold by GW right now still come with the sprue of their special rectangle bases?

>>93428836
>But consider a 30pt amulet of the serpent and poisoned attacks on 30 B)
woah... that does 0.5 wounds... really scary stuff. lmao

>>93428871
You didn't DEW the maths correctly. And now you won't even acknowledge 30 poisoned archers...

>>93428903
>And now you won't even acknowledge 30 poisoned archers...
i already did
>>93428901
its bad.

>>93428836
Wow, by turning your 150 point unit into an a 235+ one, you average one wound onto a 3+/5+ dragon with a full volley.

>>93428901
It does 2.25 on average. But please, call everyone a Timmy so you get banned for another 90 days

>>93428911
>It does 2.25 on average.
kek
>schizophrenic retard cant do basic math
lmao.

>>93428690
>30 shots is definitely getting through 2+5++. Two or three turns and that nigga DEAD
It's isn't though.
1/3 to it 1/6 to wound 1/6 through armor 2/3 through ward/Regen
You're looking at ~162 shots to wound once. Your 30 skeletons will have to shoot all game to get a single wound.

It's not a nerf to Dragons it's a nerf to Giants.

>>93428927
>MY MATHS IS CORRECT, YOURS ISN'T
First you don't even read the FAQ, now this...
Yikes...

>>93428606
Yeah except use this >>93427576
Instead of the shitty GW knight

>>93428940
does your schizophrenia medication cause brain damage or is it just a separate medical problem you suffer from?

>>93428961
If all you can do is resort to insults, idk what to tell ya

>>93428964
just answer the question.

>>93428968
You'll just keep getting madder and get banned again, so I'll save you the suffering

>>93428979
its tragic what the medical community/your genetics have done to you, lil bro. i pity you.

Is the best counter to dragons simply having a discussion with your opponent and agreeing not to play with one?

>>93429030
yes but fuck you i will take my dragon every game because the DE list is so bad they literally cant function without a dragon.

>>93429042
Would the comp system from 8th edition compensate for that? Or is it a 6th edition Dark Elves-tier imbalance? I only play Chaos so I haven't read any of the other army rules yet.

>>93429197
its arguably worse than 6th since infantry in general is even worse now. we basically autolose vs brets without a dragon.

>>93429197
It's simply a case of GW being GW, id est, the rules are dogshit

>>93427576
only thing wrong with the previewed heads there's too many lame movie Teutonic knight heads and not only 1 heraldic one
seems pretty retarded when the number one use will be Bret proxies

Shouldn't Poisoned Attacks ignore armor instead of ignoring Toughness
Shouldn't higher Toughness help you against poison than armor

The people that are bitching and moaning about balance and just want to play for fun need to be playing 6th, not the mental illness world or age of trannymar. 7th is when power creep started to rape the game. Switch to 6th and all your problems will float away like dust from the furnaces used in the holocaust.

>>93429426
based 6thchad

>>93429515
The rules are literally free and the base is so much bettter in every single way, the only thing you should change is use the 7th rules for magic and for bsb’s as it lets you use your bsb for every kind of leadership check.

>>93429426
The thing was after Heresy 2.0 basically being an improved version of 7th, I was expecting ToW to be similar- a revamp of an old edition that ironed out some of the bigger issues to make for a better and more fun game overall.
... instead what we got was the 'it's not a bug, it's a feature!' route where a massive amount of clunkiness was preserved because they felt the to keep retarded mechanics because nostalgia.

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>>93427470
>game starts as Lizardmen are chasing down my Skaven where they are stopped by dangerous river crossing
>Skaven have their backs against the river holding off a deadly assault of cold ones and saurus
>manage to break free but are then assaulted by skirmishers hiding in a nearby rampart firing down at them with javelins
>many clan rats and plague monks are forced into the river, drowning
>rat ogres are slain by an onslaught of magic spells from skink priests
>a single clan rat unit remains and runs away successfully
Another strategic skaven victory...

>>93429030
It's the best counter to any rules or balance problem. Just don't be a garbage human and don't associate with garbage humans.

>>93427470
Can we please have pictures of anons actual armies for the thread image rather than these stock images. GW barely supports this game it’s anons that keep it alive

>>93429981
Post yours anon and if I make the next one it can be the OP, I like armies.

Are Black Orcs really not a unit in the Orcs and Goblin armybook for The Old World? Why?

>>93430296
Ok I'm retarded, I see them in Ravaging Hordes but not in the Arcane Journal for Greenskins, am I retarded or am I missing something (aka, retarded?)

>>93430305
Arcane journal introduces specific lists and a few additional units. The Ravaging hordes one is the main list.

>>93427575
Orcs and goblins. Brain damage doesn't matter. Your dudes are gonna do what they want anyway.

>>93429369
If I stab a knight with my poisoned dagger, his armour might deflect the blow entirely. However if I pierce his armour, it doesn't matter how sturdy he is, it's not going to help against the poison.

>>93427575
Troll Horde, turn your stupidity into +2 movement.

Is there any official model for the Dwarf Cannon? Or any equivalent in the AOS line? I only found the Flame Cannon in GW's online store.

>>93430501
That makes sense for a human knight, but not so much for a Giant

>>93430558
It's a dual kit with the Organ Gun. Hasn't been re-released yet. Dwarfs are only on wave 1

>>93430575
Oh, nice. I'm still new to TOW so I'm not sure how these releases work, or at the very least worked up until now.

>>93430558
There are tons of historical cannons you can just slap some icons on

>>93427564
Speak for yourself. I run Treemen on my Hobos

>>93427964
cozy pic

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>>93429981
You'er wrong about the last sentence, and I'd say that GW images are alright. They serve both as an example of what a Dwarvish army can look like, and and incentive for new players to try and build one.
They're also great pics on themselves.

>>93430775
they're on gay nu-bases though, and they fucked up the hair on the slayers

>>93430775
>karaz a karak
>red
Man dwarf schemes really are just whatever you feel like huh

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>>93430775
Also a random Norn unit they pulled out of storage

>>93430781
I don't get that. Surely the whole slayer thing goes back many centuries.

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>>93430775
>>93430801
Same thing with the Dragonslayer. Seems like the same one as shown in the WD issue.

>>93429426
The people who play for fun aren't bitching.
Note that the guy who is upset is citing WAAC tourneys as to why his army sucks, he doesn't actually say anything about his units or army beyond "I must take a dragon because tourney players do".

>>93430807
Yes and dwarfs are long lived creatures of tradition and habit. Why would the slayers not have dyed orange hair? The tradition goes back way, way longer in the timeline than when "The Old World™" is set, the whole point is they're making themselves physically resemble Grimnir. The only reason they're not doing that is he's an AOS character now, and Fyerslaeyres are the only ones allowed to look like that.

>>93430781
I honestly think the new bases are better

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>>93430887
Which is silly because Fyreslayers have many alternate schemes they could make posterboys instead

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>wow these other minis from no names are so MUCH cheaper!
reminder that GW only produces in the UK and not in chinese sweatshops, if you don't support GW you are killing industry in the UK, who am I kidding the average consooomer doesn't give a fuck...

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So is Thorgrim getting a model?
I feel like they would have announced it already

>>93430901
ah yes the chinese sweatshops of wisbech in cambridgeshire province
kys shill

>>93430960
also warlord games, so called because a chinese warlord has annexed lenton south of the rail line

>>93430960

It's Chatteris actually. Where the people have been breeding for global warming to bring back the fens for over four hundred years. Not an unwebbed hand or foot for MILES.

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>>93430790
I bet you feel pretty silly, now don't you?

>>93427470
>What is your favourite Dwarven Hold?
Barak Varr and Karak Eight Peaks

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Honestly factions like the Empire and Brets are lucky because they have new(old) characters to work with. How do you cope with your characters ending up absolutely ruined in the End Times?
It's insane how much damage that shit has done to the setting.

>>93430775
Can't believe it took this long for GW to realize there was absolutely nothing wrong with the old models. Especially Marauder era dwarfs in 2024 promo pics is pretty doozy.
Also I've always drooled for that 7th edition miners box, might have to get it now. Hopefully it comes with the mine cart.

>>93430901
Good, fuck bongs

>>93430986
Yeah like I said, whatever you feel like.
Guess that makes painting easier as I don't have to feel restricted by Hold colors.

>>93431023
Don't those fuckers apply UK taxes to their prices when outside the UK you don't actually have to pay those or something?
Nevermind that other currenies already pay more.
Or that time they switched from Pounds to regional currencies on FW and everything became more expensive across the world.
Fuck them.

>>93430815
he really stands out compared to every other slayer model that GW has every produced even the new Ungrim model fits in more than him

>>93431057
Uh could it be because he's the only slayer with modern dwarf proportions?

>>93431082
he also the only plastic slayer model

>>93431057
It's the visible legs

>>93431002
why what did the old model look like? can't find it easily on image search

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Played with alts at my local GW and they did not notice.

>>93428160
>30 skeleton bowmen
10 hits (arrows of asaph)
2 wounds (rounding up)
>3+ (or 2+ if its HE) armor, -1 for armorbane
>5+ ward
>5+ regen
>also has 9+ wounds

Should I be stuffing a bannerman and musician in every unit or is it safe to cut corners in some cases, like archers.

>>93431213
Only a WAACfag would ask this question

>>93431213
Banners look cool. Everyone should bannermax

>>93431213

Maybe not small units of archers. But anything bigger than 10 and you probably should, and all of your combat units should.
Dwarf Thunderers and Quarellers always should because with Shields they're basically other armies heavy/medium infantry, but with ranged. Plus, Dwarf combats tend to be won by small margins anyway.

What the fuck happened to the new Orc Shaman?

>>93431265
the troll one?
It has not been released yet, not sure if it's the only O&G models that GW is planning to release that has not been released so far.

>>93431259
Thanks for the confirmation, I suspected as much that this is the way to go.

>>93431236
You better believe I'm freehanding all my banners for maximum shab.

>>93431286
I guess they're holding stuff back for future releases. See: >>93430959
Kinda weird considering the glacial pace they're working at

Cant wait for new wood elf models

>>93431286
Hopefully bundled with savage orcs, that'd explain a delay ig

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I really wish we knew more about the retarded office politics going on at GW. They're even hiding 30K and TOW behind extra clicks. Also Maybe this is really petty but when they announced the dwarf pre orders they got second billing after Necromunda.

>>93431167
Either that or even the shop staff have stopped caring.

>>93431443
>They're even hiding 30K and TOW behind extra clicks
This is just because they're specialist games, which is a good thing. Can you imagine how shitty the new releases would be if it was still a main game? Compare the new dwarf characters to the Coteaz update, it's like two different companies

>>93431443
tbf the New Necromunda release is a new starter set with brand-new plastic models it makes sense why Gw would push a new starter box before what is mostly a rerelease of older models

>>93431458
Necromunda has a new starter every other month

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Are you enjoying your TOW blanket?

There is a podcast with some ex GW employees. They claim its because the different offices have to outcompete each other so the shareholders don‘t shaft them. There is sometjing called „BCG-Matrix“ in economics that categorizes products within a company according to what is planned for them.

40k is in between a „Rising Star“ and a „Cashcow“. It finances all other projects that GW has.

AOS has been a „?“ with hopes of turning it into a unicorn, meaning that they shell out tons of money to make it big. Just look at all the stuff they are getting and the amount of new editions. Sometimes it feels like it is their main game.

Now The Old World. It is made by specialist games because it was expected to be a dead dog or a lean Cashcow. Instead it is probably more in between a rising star and „?“ meaning that the AOS offices is doing it‘s best to prevent further growth to save their asses.

>>93431477
a cursory view of the internet tells me you can get a custom blanket from a chinaman with whatever map you want

I also guess it could be one idea to get a cheap custom battlemat

>>93431494
Podcast name and episode?

Any good / funny lore reasons why a Black Orc Bigboss would follow a Night Goblin Warboss? All I can think of is that my Goblin used his Wallopa to beat the previous orc boss into paste and the other orcs just kind of submittied to his leadership because they had nothing better to do.

I want to come up with some funny and outlandish lore for my goblin warband. I'm gonna pour my heart and soul into this game.

>>93427847
This is, of course, disingenuous bullshit. Warhammer was 28mm to-the-eye with "heroic" proportions, while historicals were usually shorter and less heroic. And those models are produced decades apart for two completely different systems.

Historicals look like shit next to Warhammer minis unless you're the kind of tastelet retard who views the models as basically just counters and so doesn't care if he has a mix of short femboys and bodybuilders with gigantism of the head, hands, and feet, the former wielding dainty weapons and the latter wielding oversized toys. The fact is historicalfags are just fighting a desperate rearguard against their own irrelevance in the face of 3D printing, which lets you have an army of consistently-scaled, consistently-proportioned models with actual Warhammer stylings *and is even cheaper than buying historical minis*, so they don't even have "muh cheaper tho" to fall back to anymore.

Perry plastics are lovely, I have some, I use them to play what they're made for: historical games. As Warhammer proxies they're shit.

>>93431574
>Mercs
>Biggest and strongest includes the Night Goblins pet troll to which the Night Goblin is perceived as just its mouth piece.
>Brutally cunning > Cunningly brutal
>The headmashing came with a dream in which Gork (or Mork) straight out told the Blorc leader to go along with whatever the Night Goblin said.
>The Blorcs are kept in a constant state of drunken bliss using strong mushroom intoxicants and regular fighting.

>>93431533
the Honest Wargamer and Painting phase.

>>93431494
not to be flippant but anybody who's worked at operational level in a corporation that has to report to a board knew this from the moment the core vs legacy armies were announced. I mentioned it at the time (and got called a schizo who doesn't understand how companies work lol).

>>93431443
>when they announced the dwarf pre orders they got second billing after Necromunda
dwarf releases will pay for themselves in no time because the R&D, artwork, moulds, etc all made their money back like 10+ years ago. Necromunda releases are brand new so there is much greater need to recoup their investment to make them cashflow positive. Pretty much what >>93431458 said.

>>93431457
agreed. even the new TOW character models aren't too bad. (I say character models because foot knights)

>>93431533
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPv2SezYHQQ&t=183s

>>93430592
>I'm not sure how these releases work
don't worry anon, neither are GW!

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>>93431677
>hello and welcome to Square Bassed, lmao get it? based?
>my partner is Louise Sugden btw, u jelly?
>Age of Sigmar is better than Fantasy Battle in every way
>all Fantasy Battle fans are closeted racists
>self proclaimed "ally" to commies and faggots on twitter
>shoe-horns in 'tory voters are scum' every 10 minutes
>constantly bad mouths other content creators like Valrak
>only making Old World content for clicks despite hating the player base
>"Warhammer is hard™, guys"
>"Fantasy is mostly based on Europe, so there is a lot about fantasy that's problematic"
>"We want to make Warhammer more inclusive because we're very square-BASED like that"

>>93427790
Are you actually trying to make that argument using only a few months of data for a new competitive scene?

>>93431684
Haffelfinger is based.

>>93431684
i look like this and say this

>>93431195
>most dragon lords don' have 5+ wards or regens

>>93431684
At least half of those things are your headcanon
Or projections

>>93431684
>only making Old World content for clicks despite hating the player base
Under the umbrella of The Honest Wargamer Group™ no less, as if his youtube channels with like 30k subs between them need a group lmao

>>93431684
lel. My racism is anything but closeted.
>tfw no Louise

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What's the best way to mitigate troll stupidity in a regular O&G army list?

>>93431574
He's just biding his time, seeing where the gobbo takes them and will seize control if when the gobbo bites off more than he can chew.

>>93431574
>>93431910
I like it.

>>93431927
Woops, meant to quote >>93431635 and not myself.

>>93431574
Funniest I can think of is that the goblin managed to convince the orcs he's the messenger/mouthpiece of some truly powerful warboss currently stationed in some distant land and that all they have to do is follow him so they can meet him in person at the rendezvous, eventually, after a few stops along the way, unless we get lost, logistics notwithstanding, if the big boss doesn't change the meeting point midway, he's a busy boss after all

the goblin is scared shitless at every twist and turn and every outlandish lie and bluff he has to keep up is in the air, but his waaagh just keeps escalating and orcs keep buying what he says

>>93431643
You don't even need that background to sniff out the corporate bullshit behind that core v legacy announcement, you just need to not be retarded. Unfortunately 4chan is full of retards, pretend or not.

>>93427814
Victrix are usually on the bigger side, these should be fine.

>>93431873
keep them glued to the general's butt

>>93431617
That's a stupid post lacking any nuance or understanding and I can only assume your "disingenuous bullshit" is projection and deflection.
The anon you're replying to is using two exaggerated examples but just about all ranges through time suffer from scale creep, but Warhammer also has had significant changes in art direction with time too, and being an early adopter of plastics has seen some fairly crude monopose plastics and plastic kits released alongside some at times finely sculpted metals even in the same range and the same edition. Hell, even metals sculpted by different sculptors.

Take the 6th ed plastic Empire State Troops and compare them to the 6th ed greatswords, now this sort of thing particularly makes me wonder why you seem so determined to be a fucking stupid cunt. I own both and while I have no interest in reviving my multipart state troops, the greatswords are lovely. I am not going to be able to fill out the unit however with the 7th ed plastics as they are vastly different in size and style. Same for many characters: much to my regret I used a 6th warrior priest for a henchman conversion, I must track down a second hand one or recast. Greatswords and state troops, many metals are similar in size and proportions, in fact there's many that are courser than the sleight 6th greatswords. Artizan scale well with the spearmen I still have left from the starter, and the Warlord Plastics are course enough in proportions they blend in well with 3d prints intended as Empire proxies, I'm yet to get some of those as I don't have a printer myself and ordering prints is a fuckaround. Steel fist are gorgeous and a little chunky, which suits GW stuff.

I couldn't care less about this "desperate rearguard" "irrelevance blah blah game of rockem sockem robots going on in your head, I want good models.

TLDR GW stuff isn't often compatible with itself, historicals are diverse in sizing and proportions, and you're an absolute fuckwit

>>93431985
I have no horse in this race, but models from different eras can go together well to represent veterans and new blood, so to speak. Like old school chaos warriors being used for chosen and newer ones (1997 and 2004... so not really new, but you get my point) representing regular warriors. It's probably not the same for the empire models, but if they're painted in an appropriate scheme they shouldn't stand out too much, right? So long as it's consistent within the regiment? Same thing with historicals or alternate models. If it looks good as an army, it's A-OK in my book.

>>93431494
As if AoS needs to do any work to crash TOW. Its doing fine on that front on its own; the bigger issue is the fact that its a specialist game and thus has as much support as Horus Heresy. Which is to say; not a lot.

>>93432080
I should have used an excessive amount of quotation marks around """"incompatible""""

>>93431972
this is what I was afraid of. Are they basically tied to the general (and his unit) at all times if I don't want them to be stupid?

>>93431761
Chaos lords? 5+ ward innate, 5+ regen conditional
HE? 5+ regen common magic item, myriad of ways to get 5+ ward, 2+ armor via helmet
Greenskins? 2+ armor and 5+ regen via trousers, myriad of ways to get 5+ ward
bretonnia? 2+ armor (rerolling 1s) via GGH and innate ward
VC? innate regen and myriad of ways to get ward, can heal wounds
Dark Elves? myriad of ways to get 5+ ward
TK? Built in regen, myriad of ways to get 5+ ward, forces rerolls on wounds
WE? myriad of ways to get 5+ ward

Every faction with access to a dragon has access to the 35ppm magic item which gives a 5+ ward save, many factions have better options on top of that.

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>>93432118
My bad, anon.
Here's a cool diorama from the collecting citadel miniatures wiki as a peace offering.

>>93432190
The biggest variable for dragon durability is armor, with HE having the best and WE and TK having the worst (maybe VC).

>>93432190
note: while bretonnia and orcs dont actually have a dragon, they possess equivalent characters which fill the same role and end up functioning largely the same.

>>93431873
Have your general by a black orc warboss on wyvern, or take a troll magic spellcaster. Depends on heavy you go on trolls, but there's honestly a decent selection of spells.

>>93432214

The VC dragon is statwise the worse one, isn't it? I think even the cheaper HElf option is still better right?
To the point where the Terrorgheist isn't that bad an option by comparison if you wanted to go down that route. Especially with all the Ld debuffs in the Necromancy Lore to synergise with it's Terror and Wailing Dirge rules.

>>93432214
TK do have armour of the ages though, which is still solid.

>>93432269
The VC dragon is kida ass iirc yes. It only has heavy armor as opposed to plate and has weak combat stats relative to its cost.

>>93432276
They also give their dragon -1 to hit with shooting which is nice.

But the best their armor save gets is 4+, which was my point. The armor save of dragons varies a fair bit between factions, but ever faction fielding a dragon will have the option to give it a 5+ ward save if not better.

>>93431761
>There's a 30 point 5+ ward save item in the core rulebook
Genuinely only reason a dragon wouldn't have a ward or regen is if your opponent is retarded.

>>93432285
4+ if you really feel like it.

>>93432265
can you take troll magic in a grand army list? I've not looked at any arcane journals yet.
I also like the looks of a character on wyvern (in fact it was one of the first models I painted as a kid in 5th), but prefer playing with a range of units, which an expensive char on wyvern just to babysit some trolls would kinda preclude. Appreciate the ideas though, keep em coming!

>>93432305
>Troll magic
There's a 25 point magic item to let your orc or goblin wizards be troll lore.

>>93432287
Or they want to use a different talisman

And if you're going to bring in upgrades to the conversation you also have to acknowledge ways you can upgrade/imporve th archers. You can't assume one unit is just a base strength while providing the other with whatever upgrades and buffs you want.

>>93432190
>Every faction with access to a dragon has access to the 35ppm magic item which gives a 5+ ward save, many factions have better options on top of that.

So you're going to acknowledge that you can similarly buff other units in the game and not just dragon lords right?

>>93431964
I like this one, too. Kinda fits the idea I had for my Goblin warboss being cartoonishly deceitful and greedy.

>>93432450
People have done the math if you chuck poison on them, they still do dogshit against 3+/5++, much less if they have a 2+ armour, or a regen, etc. You also have to buy a character and an item vs just an item. Trying to buff the archers is less points efficient as well.

>>93432496
Similar amount of points spent on a elementalism priest + serpent amulet and equal points in archers get you on average

2+/5+: 4.86 wounds a turn
3+/5+/5+: 6.48 wounds a turn

That's pretty fucking good for something that's not even meant to be used against dragon lords.

>>93432345
Need to give this to a goblin shaman so he can babysit my trolls.

>>93427470
Are terrorgheists OP and gay to play against casually?

>>93432561
You're still wrong. Here's what you get from 40 skeleton archers, and a level 4 elementalism wizard with the poison item, if you manage to get all 40 of your archers in range, and get plague of rust off, against a 3+/5++ (regen or ward but not both). That is 430 counting lore familiar to make sure you can actually get plague of rust.

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>>93432797
>>93432561

>>93432561
A high priest at level 4 is 170pts, with the serpent amulet its 200 and with the lore familiar its 230.
A dragon is 500~ points (HE one is anyways)
500-230 = 270
270/5 = 54 archers
54 shots = 9 poison wounds + 9 hits
9 hits wounding on 6s = 1.5 wounds
10.5 wounds (round up to 11 why not) into 4+ armor (plague of rust) then a 5+ ward and then a 5+ regen gives you around 2 wounds (2.4 but whos counting). The dragon has 9.
A warbow has a range of 24", you will get maybe 2 shots at the dragon before it reaches you (it can even deny stand and shoot by being within its movement on the charge fairly trivially).

Skeleton archers are not a good choice for killing dragons

>>93432615
Probably not worth it.
You can use Big Smarts to reroll Stupid checks, but if they're outside of the general's range they are still probably falling on a 4/5 Leadership.

>>93427847
Uuuuuoooo vampire mommyyy

this general feels like a /v/ one but with plastic and resin so much uneeded anger and hostility

>>93432820
It's a shame hatred is only combat, I think reroll hits from a necrotec might actually push that monstrosity into having an okay chance at killing 2 save dragons.

>>93432756
If you have more than 2 screams total you're being a fag.

>>93432885
the general? Its the entire fucking board.

>>93432906
Raw scream count seems like less of an issue than stacking leadership debuffs before you do. I'd rather take 4 -2 screams than 2 at -5 no inspiring presence.

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How many chaos warriors would you guys include in a single regiment?
I have an opportunity to get 30 more 1997 chaos warriors for a reasonable price, but I'm not sure if I'd want to paint them like the 10-man (planned to be 20-man) regiment I already have painted & expand it, or start another regiment. As it stands I have 20 1997 chaos warriors and ~30 2004 chaos warriors.

>>93432885
it doesnt help im pretty sure the biggest anti modern warhammer shitposters ACTUALLY play ToW and brought the mentality to TOW

>>93432885
That's just 4chan since 2016

>>93432942
The guy who obsesses over petty office drama here , and Louise's barefeet is so fucking annoying.

>>93432938
Classic would be 5x5, but 6-7 wide is probably decent for chaos warriors right now (30-35).

>>93431684
he has a particular phenotype

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I think there's something anatomically funny going on with the Night Goblin mob sprue. One of the spear arms attaches to the (Goblins) left arm, and the thumb points downward. Tried searching online and it seems like even the original release had this same situation. Either way I'm not sure who I can give this arm to apart from the Banner holder. Any ideas?

>>93433020
>these extra outdated goblins have better spear sculpts than TK skellies
now that's fucking grim

>>93432951
>2016
Newfag

>>93432829
It doesn't need to be strategically worth it as long as it's funny. Being able to babysit trolls is just a bonus, the real value for me is in turning my enemies into idiots who are covered in shit.

>>93433038
I think they are more recent than the TK skeleton sculpts

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>>93432345
Thanks, I think I have some reading to do!

>>93433056
So you're telling me Night Goblins alone got TWO updates while TK languished?

>>93432938
14 in smaller games. 21-28 in larger. 35 if I want a blob.

>>93433064
O&G sold more models anon

>>93433020
Just clip the thumb off, greenstuff a new one on top (or even stick the old one on there). Or paint the hand black like it's a glove and just don't highlight the thumb to draw attention to it.

>>93432820
>Skeleton archers are not a good choice for killing dragons
To be fair, I don't think that anything is a good choice for killing dragons. Except maybe another pimped out lord with an ogre blade. Monster Slayer is possible, but you have to trust it to luck

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>>93433044
The site was way more relaxed before then. Combative, certainly, but the weirdly intense seething was absent or affected for humor. Now it's just standard to present yourself as mentally ill as possible

>>93432985
>>93433082
Interesting. I'll finish painting all my warriors first before expanding the unit. I would like a big block of 30+ warriors eventually, but there's no rush & I'm going to be playing smaller games for a while longer. I'll make 35 my end goal and aim for 25 for whenever I get to play games at 2000 points. Thank you, anons.

>>93432090
I think it has outperformed heresy so far. HH2 sold plastic leviathans and other vehicles to 40k players and died after gw rugpulled the new kits. At least we can be confident TOW sales are their own.

>>93427636
What’s “functional”? I think you can just not be a total autist and have a gentleman’s agreement with your opponent to not go cutthroat in games. You DO talk with your opponent and discus the game you want before you play right?

>>93433115
Screams are anti everything.

>>93427790
>unironically checking win rates
Just go play 40k or something man. Nobody wants to deal with this autistic arms race in our games.

>>93433115
>To be fair, I don't think that anything is a good choice for killing dragons
Im sure theres a VC list hat could do it, also some combat stuff. But yea, dragons are with some few exceptions king shit of dick mountain. A good dragon can make an otherwise weak list very hard to beat.

I hate it.

>>93433162
Come on anon, these are space marines we're talking about.

>>93432938
Which edition?
In 8th I ran 18 or 24 for unit sizes, in TOW I would MAYBE run 12 max.

>>93427597
Outside of particular spam lists, if you and your opponent both aren't taking dragons, dark elves are mid. Probably the worst of the elves, but wood elves and high elves both have some ridiculous bullshit.

>>93433195
Sorry, I should have specified. I mostly play 6th and TOW right now, but I would like to play 3rd and 8th too.

>>93433209
For 6th I used a 10 man unit as a sort of "moral tax" because playing WOC without them felt wrong, but I think you dont want to run big units (or any if possible).

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>>93433110
Yeah the thumb is easy to fix. The bigger issue here is that, like I said, it's also a left arm, whereas all the other weapon arms are on the right. I can make a goblin dual wield spears (might do this with one model). There are a few "free" right arms pointing forward, so I'm just gonna make a bunch of left handed goblins.

>>93433116
This was my initial thought / idea, but as you can see from my pic the elbow points backward instead of forward making it, again, anatomically weird. You can probably be able to get away with it if you hide the model within in the mass, however.

It's a strange thing that GW didn't go back and fix this. I wish I could find some pictures or videos of people assembling these old Night Goblin models so I could see what kind of interesting solutions they came up with.

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Eshin clanrats for a middlehammer army. What do you think?

>>93433091
>update model line
>they sell more
WAOW

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>>93433281
they look the part and are well painted, but I hate those kits

>>93433183
Looking at the discords for the 2 lgs's I go to, the last person mentioning playing heresy was 10 months ago for one, 2 months for the other. For TOW, the last post about playing a game was 20 minutes ago for the former, Monday for the latter. We'll see how TOW is doing once it hits a year, but I've lived in 4 different towns since hh2's release date and a community hasn't stuck in any of them.

>>93433289
if only GW understood the causation between those two factors

>>93430901
>the chinese sweatshops of Victrix, from Sussex
lmao cry harder you fucking faggot

>>93433154
I will add that my answer is based purely on multiples of 7, no thought has been put into game mechanics!

>>93433289
tk always sold badly. cope. they got a bunch of new models in 8th and ended up squatted before 8th even ended just because they sold like shit

>>93433295
It does seem pretty dead despite a new army just dropping and another to release soon but I don't pay much attention to 30K discourse anymore.

>>93433116
Not him but I tried to make my arm do what that plastic arm does, and my arm doesn't go that way lel

>>93433237
>it's also a left arm
Ah sorry I missed that. How strange. If you have the spare arms that works, or I'm sure you could buy a few of these right arms on eBay for a few quid. Not ideal I know.

>>93433352
>leaves ancient ugly core units alone
>only updates or adds rarer choices or 1-per-army centerpieces
>army doesn't sell
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN

>>93433352
Suppose launch box was the best way to get people to buy into them in TOW, they sold pretty well this time around.

>>93433410
>make new kit for TOW
>another centerpiece

>>93433180
>A good dragon can make an otherwise weak list very hard to beat.
Things the big things that you can beat a dragon without killing a dragon.
Almost nothing will kill a dragon for anything like the same point cost.
But a wizard half it's cost can shut it down for half the game.

>>93433410
tomb kings are just boring at their core. Vampire counts did the undead stuff better and was more dynamic than tomb kings could ever be.

>>93433435
and people still bought the old skeletons from the 90s

This is gonna sound like a skill issue but I REALLY fucking hate having to play against fanatics in NG armies now that you cant bait them out. My friend ONLY plays NG and theres 473783939033 of the fuckers flying around which makes it a pain in the arse as I cant play the nice tactical movement game I want to play with WHF. I either suck it up and leave it to chance to get raped by what are very unlikely to fail magic missles with ap-3 that can end up hitting multiple units and thats not mentioning other turns. Or I sit back bored and shoot the unit/do fuck all and mostly likely get hit anyway. I didnt mind before as you could bait them but I hate being forced to play around this so heavily it ruins the game somewhat for me.

>>93433451
The older they get the more retro acceptable they become. I think they have their charm, and the shields look nice.
Honestly I'm not too bothered, more concerned with the rest of my army standing out and looking nice.

>>93433451
different times, anon, whale paypigs didn't exist on the same level during the days of fantasy as they do in the age of TOW.

>>93433425
>they sold pretty well this time around.
because gw released them first, drip fed new armies and squatted VC

>>93433463
Pillar of fire can reliably remove them once they are out but yes they are one of the most bullshit things in the game and if your friend is spamming them he isn't being friendly.

Having them able to be popped out on your opponents phase and move through your units even though you charged them is nuts.

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>>93433450
More TK hate. It fuels my contrarianism.
Squat them again, I don't care, I have the models now!

>>93433440
>But a wizard half it's cost can shut it down for half the game.
Can. Most likely wont.

Miasmic mirage is a range 15 hex, reliably getting it off on the fastest unit in the game (or thereabouts) is not likely to happen. And thats even before you get to things like "you can dispell magic"

>>93433504
That's what I mean. I think brets would have sold decent either way but stapling tk to the edition launch as one of two factions was a good idea since it forced them to sell well. Wood elves probably also would be a pretty good choice, they'll probably be the least popular forces of fantasy army.

>>93433538
>Wood elves probably also would be a pretty good choice, they'll probably be the least popular forces of fantasy army.
nah empire will be least popular

>>93433237
>>93433395
It's because the sculptor didn't do too much work, he just took a normal arm, and glued the hand the other way.
nothing mysterious about it.
just laziness and early kits' compromises.

>>93433395
Eh, I'm not so bothered by it that I feel a need to buy additional spear hands, especially since I do have some options to play around with. I was just curious about this since I've not seen anyone else mention it.

>>93433520
I wouldnt mind if you could shoot/magic missile them. But you literally cant do anything. My friend's reasoning is 'theyre goblins, they fold when you get in' which fails to take into account that units are half dead by the time they get there and then you get fucked by nets and being double outnumbered.

>>93433463
Doesn't sound like a skill issue in this case anon, there are always going to be slight imbalances in a game this varied and as the other anon says it sounds like your friend is taking massive advantage of that, which is just not the gentlemanly way to play. Is he aware of the latest FAQ that has changed fanatics from 0-3 per unit, to 0-1 per 10 models to a max of 3?

Fwiw I preferred when they could be baited out, and I have a full O&G army including lots of night goblins. I also preferred animosity but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

>>93433526
Miasmic mirage and column of crystal individually don't have great odds, but illusion is a solid pick because you get two attempts to stop it.
They only have relatively narrow front arc which can waste their time by running out of arc if they're looking at cav or other fast units.
If they hit a unit with a champ they are going to spend a turn killing 1 model.
Dragons are very good but they still have some counterplay.

>>93433295
30k is whales: the fanbase, its a small community of guys who buy 10 of every kit, it outsells tow. most of the tow playerbase already owns armies from 20 years ago and some of the most popular factions have been squatted, including the most popular faction VC.

>>93433587
Yeah we played a game witht he FAQ, aty 1500pts there was still 6 flying around with all his units bunched up. It pretty much deletes any unit that goes to charge or position as youd naturally do vs any other army. And it still devolves into suck it up or chance with ranged which with WoC is just sorcerers. In 8th etc. I played VC and could bait them and even then it was annoying but fair. Id either like them to be baited, not be able to launch in opponents turn/be able to be shot. Or be a D3 (this is boring the other way).

>>93433552
People play Empire regardless of their strength.

>>93433552
No shot

>>93433638
nice head cannon.

>>93433626
They shouldn't do much against t6 I don't think.

>>93433641
they have shit rules and never sold well despite being the poster boys that were pushed in every box.

>>93433638
Yeah, it just so happened that everyone loved the same exact list containing only the OP units.

>>93430901
The majority of miniatures are make in the UK, especially historical minis, all of which are small local businesses instead of corporate Jews like GW

>>93433655
Its more annoying when it just deletes a T4 block warrior unit to the point is basically cant fight and if you have maruaders eat it at low pts then you have to be far enough back to the point of not doing anything to not get hit. I cant still win its just a fucking boring slog of 'that guy' vibe.

Admittingly its probably my fault for not playing chaos zoo but I want to play thematically.

>>93431213
Whichever you think looks cooler, WAAC fag cuck lmao

>>93431213
I have never needed bannermen or musicians in archers.

>>93433667
its funny how every empire players thinks demigryphs look gay and retarded yet they all run 6+ of them.

>>93433652
>>93433667
In the Square based 100 player online tourny in Warhall Empire had second highest players after Bretonnia (despite it being online on Warhall so they could have picked any army they want).

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/tournydetails/details?id=6667ed53b5f43b3166cc4fd9

This only started a couple months ago so Empire was well into being considered shit tier but more people still wanted to play it. Matches what I've seen locally as well.

>>93433667
Looked at some empire lists from an 80 man tourney this morning and it was surprisingly diverse. Wizards, veteran state troops, and artillery were common. Demis and steam tanks less so.

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>>93431617
This is, of course, cope. By "Heroic" proportions you are basically just saying "shitty sculpting" in a polite manner.
Historicals and WHFB minis are largely the same height, the only difference is Warhammer minis are sculpted with cartoonish proportions because they're made to appeal to the senses of (man)children

>>93433728
>in (((square based)))'s online nogames tourny empire was kinda popular
means nothing lmao

>>93433728
Strangely chaos dwarves are either the most or second most popular army in my lgs. Bretonnia are the only close faction.

>>93433758
It's more than you've provided.

>>93433450
Tk drew me in because ive always been fascinated by ancient Egypt
It really scratches the itch
Lizard men also drew me in because of a childhood fascination with the Aztecs

>>93433740
>NOOOOOO YOU CANT USE HISTORICALS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TOO SHORT
>the Perry fig is clearly taller than the GW, despite GWs retarded hat and taller base

>>93433740
whys the shitty GW sculpt barefoot? lmao. perry chads mogging as usual

>>93431684
>all Fantasy Battle fans are closeted racists
>"Fantasy is mostly based on Europe, so there is a lot about fantasy that's problematic"
That actually views of his?
If so i'll stop watching. Not that they've been saying much beyond "canadian/bong tournament" and "i'm totally a narrative guy btw comp waac stuff is also narrative" the last few videos.

>>93433824
>That actually views of his?
yes. squarebased is some sigmarxism faggot.

The european aspects ARE in fact boring.

>>93433740
>>93433822
I really try to defend gw against the perry fags, but it's honestly getting hard to do when you see them side by side ....

>>93432938
In TOW I'm defaulting to 20 + a char for a nice 7x3 formation. If I need the points elsewhere I could go down to a formation of 6x3.
In 8th I went with the same as above for Halberdiers and 5x4 for Sword and Board.
Granted the 7x3 approach is like 50% due to playing Nurgle.

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Perry bros... We just can't lose.
>pic related, my substantial WHFB Empire force

>>93433837
Prove it.

Im going to shove your models up your ass if you show me a mini that has a bow with no string attached to it.

>>93433860
cool proxies
shame about those bases

>>93433860
Looks pretty cool desu, today games worshop models are unironically too expensive to have this many men on the table. What game do you use them for (besides WHFB obviously)

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>>93433860
Put some grass on them anon you're embarrassing us.

>>93433920
It's a WIP, fellow Perry bro

>>93433881
>he doesn't have a list of citations and archived clips for his pasta

>>93433860
Nice brets, didn't know you could play them in sigmar still.

>>93433927
You expect us to believe that?

>>93433927
You've been posting them for months

>>93433707
Alright. Might make a few swappies in case I ever feel a need or have the leftover points.

>>93433686
I know they can't be baited out rules-wise but are you doing much to bait your opponent into releasing them? He really only has control over their movement in their first turn. After that you can rely on the scatter dice to protect you a bit more.

Or try and get creative with how you neutralise their threat...
>Take wizard with daemonology in your favourite unit
>Unit starts in marching column
>In movement phase, rush the unit at the night goblins
>In shooting phase, cast magical vortex in front of your (narrow) unit, template covers most of the units frontage
>If NG player releases his fanatics and they hit the template, they die
>you've severely reduced the angles he can use to send his fanatics into you
>If he doesn't release his fanatics because he thinks it's too risky, great, cast magic missiles from behind your template at his goblins to soften them up/panic them
>Next turn, if he hasn't released the fanatics, dispel the vortex
>Move closer
>Cast vortex in front of your unit again when you're done moving
>His angles to send fanatics into you are reduced even further
>Keep doing this until you can charge (you'll be in marching column but they're night goblins fgs)
>Or, if/when he releases his fanatics...
>take whatever meagre damage they deal if they slip past your vortex
>then cast steed of shadows
>fly over & behind his unit, 12-36" away from fanatics entirely
>charge his unit, destroy it, let the fanatics party on the other side of the board

I'm sure there are other risky but interesting things you could do to gum up his plans.

>>93427576
Which historical miniature company makes some good historical lizardmen?

>>93433881
NTA but he banged on about it in a couple of hours square based podcasts. How European fantasy is inherently problematic. The Tory bashing thing is real too, again from the podcast.

>>93433920
That banner can't be hand painted, can it?

>>93431617
Cope.
>>93433885
>proxies
Double cope

>>93434004
>How European fantasy is inherently problematic
Good to know. I won't be giving the faggot more clicks then.

>>93433976
You can't cast a vortex after marching anon. You'd be crawling at 4'' across the table with this strategy.

Everything you just said sounds like a unit and now your mage spending multiple 3-4 turns trying to not die to a 170 point night goblin unit. (who is likely shooting you the whole time by the way with usually AP-1, rerolling1's to hit and -d3 to your toughness.)

>>93433990
Chinaman
>>93434004
Tories suck shit lol. Britain is a fucking dumpster fire in general.

>>93434004
I'll choose to believe you and have a scan for that later because if so fuck him.

>>93433976
Its more at low pts I dont have much to bait or shield with. Like sure the strat in the greentext works but its annoying to have to go to such lengths to avoid blatant bullshit. Its just not fun either way.

>>93428313
>I play WHFB
World History Field Battles, sure.

>>93434032
With daemonology or similar you can fly 12. But as WoC, I'd be using dogs and marauders to force them to either deploy or get smacked up.