SCE should not be poster boys edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>93418119>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolswarhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/>Booru:https://ageofsigmart.booru.org/index.php>Thread question:What do you base your army lists off of? Tournament results and meta? Pet units you like? Budget?
>>93428687do you only get one vote for outside or inside?
>>93428687>TQI take enough good stuff to make up for my lack of ability but I make lists out of things I like.
Archaon! Be'lakor! Where are the fucking reinforcements!?
>>93428707You get one vote for both, yes the UI design is absolute dogshit.
TQ:HoS for looks because the Painbringers are peak model. Also the playstyle is counter to how I normally playCoS: Looked like it'd be hard to make an army that wasn't at least slightly balanced. Ended up liking the aesthetic mostly now.
>>93428687>TQMostly units that I have, which in turn means units that I like, with as few meta picks to support them as necessary to make the list work. Like I love Myrmourn Banshees and have 16 of them, I also have a couple sets of Dreadblade Harrows and Bladegheists to do the heavy lifting while I run my Banshees.
>>93428687So are we supposed to just bench all non-monster, non-wizard/priest heroes that aren't one of those 0-1 freebie ones?
>>93428844For now, yeah. I can count the number of heroes that fit that criteria and have abilities both worth their price and regiment on one hand.
>>93428844Pretty much. That's why they also jacked all the point costs for your useless non-monster, non-wizard/priest heroes to the moon so you don't get fooled into taking them.
>>93428881Come on man, the new melee foot heroes are loaded with incredible abilities like, uh..."add three dice to rally" for only 12000 points, such a deal!
>>93428881Like...Bastian I guess?Gotta bring a lot to make up for no spells or prayers
>>93428738Aggghhhhhhhhh
>>93428947Off the top of my head Scar-Veteran on Aggradon, Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed and Master Moulder are worth taking so if it's cav, has something other than chain combat, and/or is dirt cheap it's ok.
>>93428687Give it to me straightCan I viably run 2 or 3 units of grandhammer annihilators with an Imperitant or Bastian
>>93429089and I mean reinforced. I have so many paladins leftover, could easily do 3 reinforced units of 6.
So the Skaven are going to capture and lay waste to the inner city and then lose the outside so it remains in gridlock in the lore, right?
>>93429395Phyrric order victory where they defeat the invaders but the city is still sacked.
>>93429089Yes its one of the top alpha strike lists
>>93429395Who cares this location will never be more than a blurb in a tome after this if it's ever even referenced at all
>>93429523Wait, really?
>>93429448>Phyrric order victoryIs there any other kind of order victory The last major order offensive I read besides dawnbringers was teclis and nagash’s autism contest and most of that was lumineth intentionally doing suicide missions and Nagash getting admin perms in Teclis’ head. Also cancer. Also Hysh is fucked Also wasn’t this during the time Archibald destroyed one of Slaanesh’s chains or did that happen before that? Daily reminder btw, none of this would’ve happened if Teclis wasn’t an ass mad faggot during Forbidden power
>>93429546Annihilators (2000 points)ARMYGrand Alliance OrderStormcast EternalsThunderhead Host2000 Points LimitDrops: 3RegimentsGeneral's RegimentYndrasta, the Celestial Spear (340) • GeneralGryph-hounds (80)Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (340) • ReinforcedRegiment 1Lord-Imperatant (160)Annihilators with Meteoric Grandhammers (440) • ReinforcedAnnihilators with Meteoric Grandhammers (440) • ReinforcedRegiment 2Gardus Steel Soul (200)Basically the combo of gardus and lord imperatant makes your annihilator charges a lot shorter the turn they come down
>>93429567>Daily reminder btw, none of this would’ve happened if Teclis wasn’t an ass mad faggot during Forbidden power>obligatory Elves continue to ruin everything in Warhammer comment.
>>93429607When was the last time something awful happened in Warhammer that wasn't caused by elves in some way? Even the original rise of Nagash stemmed for Dark Elf magic fuckery inspiring his invention of necromancy.
>>93429625Atleast they usually manage to balance the scalesUsually
>>93428687TQ: I started out with this model, and planned outwards. Now I'm having to build up my collection again, and this has given me the opportunity to change things up. Namely doing a 'new' model for him, when GW eventually adds in generic witch hunters, he'll be in.
>>93429605What are battle tactics
>>93429605Isn't Yndrastra overcosted?
>>93429684Just dont let your opponent score lmao>>93429686Feel like she's the best unlock for vanguard chamber, sure you could get cheaper with bastian or lord aquilor but she's mobile and deals damage which the others lack either one of
>>93429708Bastian's legit, free 5" move and AoAs in every phase.
>>93429721Yeah a free one time 5" move to shuffle forward. Feel like you are supposed to be dropping your hammer with the support pieces down together from the skies instead of walking there
>>93429739You can only drop half your army, the other half get 5" more of deployment zone to move forward on. Makes a huge difference if you're forced to go first.
>>93429753Sure I guess. I'd probably only have the gardus and the 2 grandhammers in the skies since he's the support piece that has a shorter area of effect (6") the rest should be able to make it relatively easily. But the core should be the same and anything else is just a matter of taste
Post models and WIPS!
I've come to acquire a huge fantasy High Elf army.Should I use them as Lumineth or CoS?I already have DoK, Gitz and SBGL armies
>>93430050LRL, there are analogues between most helf units and LRL units.
Since manifestations seem like pretty big deals after the recent GTs, are knight arcanums actually legit takes in Stormcast?Good spell list, +1 to cast manifestations, +1 to banish them and they can't come within 3" of the knight nor move across it.
>>93430050sell it to some grog and buy a real army with not shit minis
>>93430144They let you get a unit of gryph-hounds, which is actually nice if you're doing thunderhead.At 120 points they're probably the default choice for a regiment, tied with a lord-relictor or veritant.
>>93430160I already have a few armies.Plus also have a bunch of wolf riders and chaos to sell to grogs too not to mention a bunch of old marines
how do you get a warscroll so wrong?
>>93429905Gory and cute, I got some bones for him
>>93428738based. fuck chaos
Spiderfang are so crippled by the points hike holy shit
>>93430620pretty much the whole index is giga fucked. spiders got dumpstered on points and their arachnaroc abilities are shit, squigs lost save, health, lost almost all the damage on the manglers and impact hits, fanatics dont work, sporesplatta fanatics really dont work, skragrott lost his casting bonus, gobapalooza a 1 cast wizard with 5 models. gits are gonna be doing a lot of shelf sitting for a lot of people this index
>>93430620>>93430655I see this shit from the front page, and my basic game-loving instinct is to tell you to play them anyway and write your own rules until you find something balanced, but then I remember who I'm talking to. GW has this grift where they make you buy models and then make you stop using them and I don't think there's anything I could say to change that.
>>93430655At least Gitz are decent in Warcry
>>93430691making up your own rules is fine in a cooperative game like dungeons and dragons, but incredibly suspicious and murky in a PvP game like warhammer, especially outside of narrative games where the understanding is that you will be fudging the rules somewhat. i've been playing warhammer in some form or another since 2003 and i have never seen anyone in any of the dozen or so gamestores i;ve played at over the years just making up the rules to a wargame for anything other than the general scenario or mission. not in warhammer, not in warmachine, not in kings of war, not in confrontation or AT-43. none of them. thats just not something you do. its not unique to GW, its general taboo across all wargames and pvp skirmish games.
>>93429905At the back are some of the first minis I've ever painted when I started warcry a little over a year agoThe front are the most recent ones.Going to use them all in a 2k game
>>93430691They're not so bad it's a bad play experience, waacfags should get the rope and 3e doomers should play a game and see everyone's army has been retooled
What's the most overloaded waescroll in 4e?The one that makes you go "godamn now that's a unit"
>>93430785Chaos knights.
>>93430752Do you see this as a shared personality flaw or do you think it's some kind of tactical inevitability?I would understand if GW were less suspicious in their own right, I can see why you would accept a flawed-but-still-passable rules set as the basis for a competitive environment, but their rules are blatantly and intentionally unfair, and they change them every few years in order to force you to buy new models, and you keep going along with it even though any of you fags could write a better codex than GW.
Im not feeling his poseNot dynamic or aggressive enoughIt looks like hes got a rule where you roll a d6 at the start of his move phase and if its a 1 he just stays put
>>93430752>>93430780Inside you there are two wolves,The first wolf says "You can't houserule a competitive game."The second wolf says "waacfags should get the rope". Both wolves like pay-to-win games and neither wolf will admit it.
>>93430820Just play any other fantasy wargame that accommodates rules customisation as a standard Warhammer is inherently a pick up game
Went to a tournament the other weekend, I brought 180 plague monks and 2 plague furnaces since the list is now finally playable again in 4th. Won 3 games which brought me into the top bracket, where I got obliterated by hexwraith-spam. Some thoughts.>Using commands during opponents turn is pretty neat. Counter-charge might be a bit busted but 2 CP is quite a lot>I like being able to blow up faction terrain>Control is a bit weird, with abillities that take away control score probably being way more powerful than intended.>The endless spells situation is retarded and simply doesn't work. Either increase points of all wizards, give endless spells points costs or make it so you can only take 1. >Finalist game was Hexwraith spam vs Hexwraith spam. Make of that what you will
>>93430808I'd need a full 360 to really get a full idea of him, alongside how big he is relative to everything else.Even then I don't think it's gonna beat the hellpit abomination for me design wise.Hopefully the new Stormvermin are pretty kewl.
>>93430845How many purple suns did you see?
>>93428687>Pet units you like?This is the way, if you think otherwise you are in wrong hobby.
>>93430877Only a few. Most popular seemed to be gnashing maws, lifeswarm, burning (flaming?) skull and, while I didn't face it myself, there was a lot of buzz around Krondspine.
>>93430808Imo he looks like he has 2 move less than Rogres, but 3 times the wounds
>>93430845Who did you fight against? Which factions seemed weak?
>>93430948Day 1 I played against Lumineth, Seraphon and Ironjawz. Mission was the same for all 3 games, the one with 3 objectives in the middle, with one of them randomly being worth 2 extra points. Pretty good mission for my list I think.First was Lumineth with Teclis, 2 cows and some cow-elves. I rush into the middle, he crushes my monks but I drive teclis away from the objectives and kill the smaller elves. We're even on points the entire game but last turn I ressurect some rats, make an 11" charge and win by a single point. Could have gone either way.Second game is against seraphon with Slann, aggradons, 2x3 Kroxigors and some ripperdactyls. Same procedure, rush the middle, kroxigors and aggradons squish and nom the monks, but I manage to get off the Skavenbrew + mortal crits buff on a 40 block and destroy his middle board. He then rolls poorly on his ressurect rolls and I capture his frog.Last game against Ironajwz, a big block of Ardboys and a big block of brutes. We both rush the middle but he struggles with Battle tactics. I concede the right flank to his brutes but after some grinding I manage to capture both the middle and left flank. Plague furnace is toughter than it looks, he charged a big pig into one and the pig got oblitterated lol. On the flip side, 3+ on the orcs is very hard to remove.I make it into top bracket, I face hexwraith spam that remove attacks, can teleport, can ressurect, retreat + charge, 3 wounds per model, etc. I give give them a good beating but eventually I just fold. 200 rats detroyed by turn 3.Lumineth overall seems strong in that the cows are very hard to kill (guy I played first only lost a single cow the entire tourney). Sylvaneth also seem breedy gud. And obviously Nighthaunt is top dog right now, needs a nerf ASAP imo.Ogres seemed really weak, all of them ended up in the lower brackets. Not a single Stormcast, CoS or Idoneth player at the event. All Gitz players played troll-spam.
>>93430050Use them as lumineth like >>93430100Said there is a lot you can proxy without much issue
>>93431025How are rats?
>>93431025>Hexwraiths are goodI will not play them until they finally refresh them, fuckers do not look like they belong to Nighthaunt when Dreadblades exist
>>93431048I only play plague monks so can only speak on them really, but no battleshock is insane for blocks of 40. Their damage is pretty shit but if you pop the crit mortal wounds prayer they can really go off. Also nice that you can ressurect them.
>>93429905Very cool anon, I like it a lot. I'm somewhat new to the hobby and only paint so far (also something I do on and off so progress is very slow). Where did you get the animal the git is riding and what do you call it? Do you just substitute it for a squig rules wise? I started painting some Goingrot Boundaz this summer and I will post the one I am working on later when I get home.
Looking to get into Stormcast, is there a list of all the units that have been squatted?
>>93431178They listed them off in the announcement, but I'm not going to go find that. You can double-check against the faction packs.
I've played a few casual games of 4th and have started bringing a couple extra endless spell lores with me to offer opponents, because having endless spells when the opponent doesn't is a massive advantage.
>>93431178Just have a look in the free faction pack, everything in there is legal and will remain legal.Ignore the sacrosanct battletome supplement, that's all squatted stuff.
>>93430808Yeah, it'll look horrible if more than one is used
>>93430808what a piece of shit modelExactly what ratfags deserve
Have they said anything about if you have 2 crit abilities eg crit (2 attacks) and crit (mortal) do you only get to pick one or do both apply?
>>93430820i dont think waacfags should get the rope. i think they are a type of player just like any other, and what they get out of the game is running the most effective lists possible. if the most effective lists possible happen to be cancerous anti-fun spam shit, cross table nukes, or some other jank, that is not the fault of the waacfag. the waacfag didnt write those rules. the designers wrote broken rules or poor internal balance for their units under the assumption that every player would want to field a balanced breakfast in some kind of meta gentlemens agreement on the principle of aesthetics with no basis in rules whatsoever. its a failing entirely of the game designers, and those types of players who are bringing "waac" lists are just exposing the poor rules writing and exploiting the vulnerabilities. however there is another type of player who does deserve the rope. cheaters. if a player is cheating, they are knowingly misrepresenting or breaking the rules of the game to create an unfair advantage, and writing your own house rules to make your units better because the rules GW wrote arent good feels an awful lot like cheating with permission.
>>93431372You have to pick
>>93431372i recall reading you have to pick one, but mutliple anti-x effects stack as long as they arent 2 instances of the same anti-x effect. (for example anti cavalry and anti hero stack, but if you get anti cavalry from 2 sources they dont stack)
>>93431381>if the most effective lists possible happen to be cancerous anti-fun spam shit, cross table nukes, or some other jank, that is not the fault of the waacfag. the waacfag didnt write those rules.It is entirely his fault, he chose to play a game that doesn't support competitive play and then he chose to play it competitively. It's also entirely your fault if you get destroyed by cross table nukes, for the same basic reason, no one is making you play this shit. >the designers wrote broken rules or poor internal balance for their units under the assumption that every player would want to field a balanced breakfast in some kind of meta gentlemens agreement on the principle of aesthetics with no basis in rules whatsoever.roflI know you're trying to blame the designers here but your post is still so full of cope it's unreal.
>>93430752not sure a guy that's still a storenigger after 2 decades of gaming is well positioned to talk about what's "taboo across all wargames"
>>93428687>>93428687>tqSlave to Darkeness/Chaos warriors should be the poster boys. they're cooler than stormcast and have deeper lore, better art, and cooler models. They look heroic and imposing but they're >"le bad guys???!"P sure they're the most popular army or one of them, already. Also helps distinguish AoS as a setting and system from 40k's blue and gold posterboys.
>>93431427wrong thread
>>93431427No one cares, Carnac
How do you go from this >>93431427 to this >>93431544
>>93431178Wait 3 weeks until they show of remakes of half those """squated""" models. So far almost all "new" Stromcast haven't been new
>>93431728why compare chaos warriors with chaos barbarians?
>>93431918
the empire aesthetic was shit I don’t understand what people miss about it
>>93430620It's truly disheartening. Spiderfang have absolutely nothing going for them besides speed. I wish that one of the shamans had a spell to give their bows crit mortals or crit autowound or something.
>>93428738Fortification in progress I see.
uh oh the stock is going UP. are people returning their boxes? why is it flopping so hard
>>93431933Yes we know, you have shit taste.
>>93431918you don’t feel the euphoria of having somebody reply to your post? Most people are addicted to it so say the stupidest shit they can
>>93431947No, I dont. I might be dead inside.
>>93429089you can but you need to rely on cheese that won't stick around. Lord-Imperitants ability stacks with itself and you need to add in gav with his 3d6 drop lowest.>>93429546>Wait, really?no>>93429686>Isn't Yndrastra overcosted?ye
>>93431945looks generic. could be from the witcher or whatever.
>>93431971everythings kind of overcosted at the moment, especially heroes
>>93431945What’s the appeal this shit was so boring and plain. Nothing of it said Warhammer
>>93431979That shit was warhammer before you were born so maybe you just don't understand warhammer.
>>93430144They're cheap(ish) and their regiment doesn't suck like incantors, yes they're legit. They'll stay good even after morbid gets nerfed into oblivion.
>>93431933>not appreciating landsknechtI could tolerate cities before if they leant more into crusaders or into being knights but as it is they’re just overdesigned and ugly, but not in an endearing way
>>93430489They got a couple entire armies so wrong so its understandable they've fuck up a warscroll.
>>93431933flambergue greatswords, floppy hats with big feathers, puffy sleeves, manly men moustaches and beards no need to make cos identical to the empire, but these would always get appreciated even under the current design cues
>>93430655>gits are gonna be doing a lot of shelf sittingYou can still win a shit load of games spamming trolls and the squig cavalry. Its fine until their book.
>>93431984Warhammer is a generic historical? What the hell was the other 92% of it then
>>93430785Vhordrai.Hexwraith and Dawnriders on pure crunch.
>>93431933It's great in art, not so much the existing heroic scale models. I'm still hoping we get a greatsworder unit for CoS, especially considering all the fluff surrounding them. Keep the trad military !imperial guard stuff but throw in fancy crazed mercs and some new fanatics too
what did they mean by this?
>>93431987That’s what turns me off. It’s literally just this and no flavor or distinction. Taking a picture of this pajamas out a textbook and turning it into a model without doing anything to it is just meh. It’s not even like the empire didn’t have good design ideas the execution was just completely lackluster
>>93432003Warhammer is basically a generic historical with appended fantastical elements for Brets/Empire. They literally used historical models initially alongside the recycled Runequest, Elric, D&D stuff.>>93432019Activates the almonds
>>93431131Yeah, they designed the whole faction around the prayers and give us no priest. Battletome can't come fast enough.
>>93431998>its fine>just ignore 70% of the indexlol. lmao
>>93432009I fully expect Demigryphs and Greatswords to return. They didn’t even go into the noble/professional troops yet
>>93432009It was fine on models too before GW suddenly decided Empire should be monkeymen in pajamas because that's grimdarrrrrk
James will unironically post some rando's WIP to avoid drawing attention to Warcry releaseshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/25/skaventide-hobby-update-your-ratmen-in-all-their-grimy-glory/
>>93432003Tolkien on steroids, Moorcock, the Mummy and whatever else they felt like ripping off.
>>93432044My Skaven are shadow-cursed from Ulgu
>>93431427Slaves to Darkness were the poster boys of WHFB. And that failed. Nobody wants a repeat. AoS is distinguished by the SCE since no other GW property has them and is the fact of the franchise. Still; while they hvae done extremely well, GW should let different factions be in the Starter Box, I think.
>>93432031I've regularly been ignoring 70% of my battletomes for years.
>>93432044Selling fast
>>93432028Basically is doing a lot of heavy lifting there because what Warhammer fantasy started as and what it became is and were very different things mind you I’m the first person to call WFB a generic piece of shit setting that strangled all of its good ideas in the crib for a chance to be some gay textbook instead of a setting where things happen. But it’s also incredibly schizophrenic with its designs and kitchen sink approach. I would never call what it became generic in good faith
Did space marines and Tyranids get a limited edition army box for their codexes? I know everything else did thereafter so I'm curious if SCE will get one
>>93432075no, unless you mean a Christmas boxset, that's likely
>>93432075It was called Leviathan. And both got Christmas Battleforce Boxes with both of their new codex release models in them a couple months later.
>>93432085>>93432086Nah, I mean the discount box + variant battletome cover bundles everything else got. Like the FEC army box
>>93432019Just noticed this lol
>>93432086Man those were some good boxes. Fucking centerpiece alone is most of the cost.And then there's the primaris one
>>93432042sucks how the art direction got worse as the sculpts and technology got better
>>93431142Thanks anon, he's a sumpkroc from necromunda with a pile of bits stuck to him lmao. I run him as a loonboss on great cave squig
>>93432026there's plenty of added fantasy elements you're just too used to HFCS fantasy to appreciate themoh well, that ship has sailed, cities of sigmar are D&Dsplatbookillustrationcore now
>>93432161Are we really acting like Empire design wasn't just D&D shit too? Yeah, landsknecht isn't as common, but it still exists there too.
>>93431918Because this is what they are turning Chaos into.
>>93431947No. I crave discussion, not attention. It actually deeply sours my mood to behold low-effort responses to my posts.
>>93431943This store is pretty well known for terrible inventory management. They tend to scan in small chunks at a time and sell out of a listing and then later that day will scan in another batch.
>>93432191Difference being proximity to the source material. There's all manner of callouts to Renaissance artwork in the WFB illustration. Landsknechte in D&D are just cheap artists without an academic background or art history interest ripping off other fantasy stuff they're fans of.
>>93432161What Warhammer fantasy elements was in the state troops?>uhhhhhh they were grimdark they didn’t have shoes and were ugly :)
>>93432275>Difference being proximity to the source materialThis matters how? They’re presented the same
>>93432161>muh potato sacksI thought we passed this more than half a decade ago
>>93432315The 7th ed State Troops also weren't even landsknechte. >>93432324Because Fantasy is the originator, and its the following works that's derivative.
>>93431427>deeper lore
It doesn't really make sense for StD to lack gunpowder and artillery given the Northman, cut off from civilisation, fluff of WHFB doesn't exist. They're obviously aware of Freeguild in a way a once in a century invasion from a distant land's people wouldn't
>>93432364>Because Fantasy is the originator, and its the following works that's derivative.incredibly shallow
>>93432390It's a boardgame they're not gonna give every army guns
>>93432390That’s what you got chaos dwarves for
I wish all the meta chasers buying sun of shyish a very happy assembly
>>93432315Demigryphs but WFB fags hated them
>>93432419I'm definitely glad I built mine when malign sorcery dropped and that I never have to build one ever again
>>93432438>whatever intern wrote the instructions can rot in hell
>>93432431>WFB fags hated them>8e peaked sales A vocal minority on here you mean, there's a reason AoS is so fantastical
>>93432419>>93432438It's a ball. how hard can it be?
>>93432390Go play 40k
>>93432492>how hard can it be?*insert sinister laugh track*Worse than you can ever imagine without building one yourself. Enjoy building an overly complicated series of plastic tubes that require immense force to fit together to eventually begin to resemble a sphere. Also every single piece your straining to push together like an alligator trying to crack a turtle shell is spikey as shit.
>>93432390std players apparently would rather their army remains mechanically shitty forever than accept the existence of ranged units in it.
>>93432535ah so that's what that weird ass sprue is for
>>93432400Ultimately it doesn't matter if you disagree with me on this tangent, you yourself admitted they are less trite. Fantasy landsknechte unfortunately remain pretty unique in illustration and conventional miniatures, while the CoS units, though well executed, are just yet another potatosack mudcore fantasy range.
>>93432535I always thought it was just two halves you put together then stick on a base What the hell is this
>>93430785Most definitely Dawnriders if you factor in everything they can benefit from (+4" to movement, -1 to hit, 5+ mw on charge, 5++ ward).Varanguard are crazy good baseline, just looking at the scroll.Nagash does some zany shit.Relatively there's some scrolls that are just always going to be the best pick for an army. They could drop every other unit 40 points and raise kavalos 40 points and you would still see people take 20-30 of them. I don't know how GW is going to unfuck that situation.
>>93432524I get enough of 40k from modern AoS tyvm
>>93432585>gweilo too low IQ for superior sinophile engineering
>>93432585>diagram doesn’t show that the frame side segments have to be put in with the larger stick at the back >the spikes don’t clearly show where they can go because at that stage you don’t have the skull to orient yourself >one of the spikes is labelled as 4 when there’s only a 24Fucking awful
Is triple GUO playable again (including Rotigus)?
>>93431987I think it comes down to CoS being incomplete as a faction as the 3e wave was simply a 1/3 of the army But you can see what they wanted to be in the sense of movie from the Holy Roman empie to more 15th century Western Europe with the Frence & swiss & Bohemian aesthetic (and a radom ninja). But there lot of gaps within like actual full plated knights, pikemen, lances & early muskets that are mention in lore but haven't been made into models or expaned into unit like the case of archknightsOther then the Fusilers i don't really hate anything about nu-cos visually oe aestheticlly just think it not fully realized or developed. Yes Steelhelms look a little too mudcore at times but it fine for me since it the lowest infantry in the army
>>93432535I for one enjoyed every second of assembling mine
>>93432648presumably its decent according to rando purportedly good nurgle tournament player who discussed the book.
>>93432585This thing is enormous, there's no shot that they could tool a mould to have two hemispheres the size of a softball and have it come out okay
>>93432671It's just someone wearing a mask and a cloak they don't look anything like a ninja
>>93432671i've made this point before but it really feels like there is an animal totem themed unit of knights coming sometime down the road as the greatswords replacement.
>>93432685Kingdom Death assembly usually is aids but there’s no reason you can’t tool this then just attach the outer spiky layer, it just cheaper to do it their way
>>93432710The spiky outer layer has a lot of intersecting lines of sculpted (energy?magic?) That would suffer from having gaps running through them if you were to add it on to a sphere as a shell
>>93432685I feel that it could have been achieved by giving each "orange slice" interlocking tabs and niches, eliminating the need for the interior frame.
>>93432710It doesn't come by itself though it's with a ton of other spells and the box is already huge
>>93432696The cavaliers and the one dude in the cc is it, its all you're getting for the next decade.
>>93432737The malign sorcery box is big enough even though it’s just the spells now. The real fix though would be to use actual instruction diagrams and stop using 3d renders to make them
>>93429089Cool art, gives off Morrowind concept art vibes. They should lean into this aesthetic .
>>93432767Getting boss baby vibes from this sketch
>>93432696Why because you had one model in a unit and a special sculpt of that model
>>93432559>>93432585This is making me want to post the instructions for the Warcry trees from the Ghur box. Fucking hell
>>93432563>Fantasy landsknechte unfortunately remain pretty uniqueI’m still waiting for the fantasy landsknechte that existed. It was literally just that no fantasy added.
>>93432767>I want my art to be sketchy and poorly rendered so you can't tell what any of the details areI will never understand the idolation of John blanche. He's got some cool pieces but the stuff everyone seems to coom over tend to be pretty rough and haphazard.
>>93432818You have no sense of adventure or wonder. Sketchy and abstract art fucking rules
>>93432828Also I’m not even a fan of most of blanches stuff
>>93432818The usual response is just "he's been there for a long time!" as they scream and stamp their feet about coffee stain art being amazing
>>93432788There was one piece of sigmar iconography that makes it fantasy
>>93432696I'm gonna agree with you only because I want a unit of whisperblades and a new assassin
>>93432818always more of an Ian Miller fanboy myself
This seems like such a weird level of overthinking. Does this kind of niche shit really need 3 layers of requirements, infantry only, contesting an obj, and you don't control it. I'm surprised its not on a 3+ too. Its like were in the simplification and easy to identify roles rules era, but we also still have this 2nd ed nerd pseudo spreadsheeting crap on comically overcosted frames.
>>93432828>no sense of adventure or wonderNice projections>Sketchy and abstract art fucking rulesThis is subjective, but also a minority opinion in the general art world. That's why there's more people who are aware of Michaelangelo, DaVinci, and Rembrandt than there are people aware of Goya, Bosch, or other more abstract masters. Some grounding in realism is universally understood, whereas it takes a particular kind of person to appreciate abstract/less rendered styles
>>93432913I feel you there.
>>93432818I hate the majority of his stuff but I do really like this piece and the dreadfleet map. I really, really hope FW makes this exact guy into a model it could look incredible
>>93432913>roll on a 3+ to get your ability >take D3 mortals if you fail Boy I wish we didn’t have to do this because it’s destruction theming, where order doesn’t even have to roll it for the same benefits
>>93432969FW is rumoured to be doing a plastic Knight master model for the Empire release of TOW so i wouldn't be surprised if they take heavy inspiration from that particle image
>>93432818Are you blind how do you not see the details
Woohttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/25/purge-the-plunderers-from-the-gnarlwood-with-the-wrathful-warriors-of-the-twistweald/
Are there any factions besides Tzeentch which can be built magic heavy with DAMAGING spells
>>93432818>I will never understandIt starts and ends there desu.
>>93432969Like I said originally, he does have legitimately cool pieces. It just surprises me that so many people seem to prefer the more abstract ones over his more realized pieces when that isn't the case for most of the art world
>>93433001I just don't pretend to see something that isn't there
>>93432019>You guys want freeguild like this? Alright give me a minute, I got just the thing
>>93433045ohhhhh autistic, my fault
>>93432161>there's plenty of added fantasy elements One singular comet on one model btw
>>93432818It's literally just because he's been at the company for a long time that's the only reason anyone ever gives
>>93433006>infected sylvaneth I literally can’t tell that by looking at the model
>>93433089Its just an excuse to make ugly shit in the army people buy specifically because its pretty, to be subversive.
>>93433089Her stomach pussy is full of pus
>>93433008
>>93433062If I wanted a rorschach test to look at I'd go to therapy. I prefer art that has some semblance of rendering
>>93433126O_O
>>93433085Why don't people push Karl kopinski as much if it's just about him being there for a long time
>>93433128>rorschach testI called you autistic as a joke but I’m genuinely confused what about that art isn’t being conveyed to you and why you’d need someone to handhold you through art
>>93433126I'm not at all against him being in the army but it's always felt kind of weird that they even thought to include a wizard in the hyper melee/tough orruk army that's all about running in and punching things
>>93433006Painting the inside of that insect swarm behind the head seems like a hair pulling experience of I've ever seen one
>>93433138They seem sophisticated if they pretend like there's more value in something with weird colors and blurry details
>>93433146Worse: Cleaning the moldlines on the bugs.
>>93433141>I’m genuinely confused what about that art isn’t being conveyedNone of the shapes have clear starting or endpoints, none of the materials read as different materials, and the background is completely devoid of any concrete attempts to realize the area he's standing.
>>93433141Don’t you get it Anon? Art is a science and if you aren’t coloring in the lines it sucks and I can’t grasp an idea
>>93433173Honestly I'd just continue flooding the bugs with Tamiya thin until the moldline melts I wouldn't bother fussing over something that's just going to be a cloud of little shapes anyways
>>93433188I'm sorry everyone can't appreciate your favorite napkin doodles
>>93433008Endless spells opened up the ability to do it much more with everyone. Cities has good bonuses and a damaging unlimited spell and the hurricanum. Sylvaneth can aoe nuke and horde clear off their trees. Rotigus and GUO can get disease rain going. Stormcast can do a blaster build with their unlimited spell and comet.
>>93433205Anything for gobbos? With and without endless spells
>>93433177>None of the shapes have clear starting or endpointsSo?>none of the materials read as different materialsI think you’re either blind or just bad faith if you saw that cloak and thought it was the same metal as the halberd despite both having two completely different textures and shades >and the background is completely devoid of any concrete attempts to realize the area he's standing.Wow, I wonder what stars, spires, and comets in aos might represent. Are you explicitly trying to not understand what you’re looking at here?
>>93433217not really, all they have is the mushroom which is no better than the generic lores.
>>93433008you still have teclis and the rune in lumineth, kroak still exist.
>>93433229you can't recognize bad-faith shitstirring? he's not being "abstract" about it, that's for sure
>>93433229It's fine to look at your own child's macaroni picture and tell them it's the best looking dragon you've ever seen. Looking at blanches quick scribbles and touting them as groundbreaking is insulting to the effort he has put into his full pieces that he was allowed to spend the time he needed
>>93433251By all means go out and buy twice the amount of kits to run a single unit so you can avoid the female models. Just don't be surprised if people call you retarded or autistic for doing so
>>93433266>groundbreaking Who are you talking to? Hello? Snake?
>>93433265About three posts in I started to believe it wasn’t I was very mistaken
>>93433251A computer posted this
>>93433301Schizophrenia encouraged you to post this
>>93433253Those are just one lord though
>>93433251Practically no kit comes without at least some female stormcasts, your best bet is looking up the used market for old fatcasts or call stores for the unsold stockotherwise you could do as anon said >>93433279 and buy twice the amount of units to sell the females away, but there's practically no demand for them, so good luck
>>93433265>every opinion I don't like/agree with is shitstirringDo you just talk to yourself or are you this sensitive when conversing with everyone
>>93433312If that was true I would’ve called you Ben but even Ben has the decency to curate his post
>>93433251You know there used to be a time when stormcast were 100% male and cool and now they're all squatted.How curious.
>>93433217Not really, lacking a damaging unlimited spell or personal spell on any caster besides Skragrott (his is quite good though) kinda kills that plan till their battletome. Mork's Mighty Mushroom is a pretty sick horde buster and Fangz of Da Bad Moon puts out minimum average 4-5 MD but Spore Maws is pretty bleh.
>>93433361I seriously can’t use the old prosecutors and shit? I have to use these new ones?
>>93433415Is this your first time in this hobby? No, what kind of question is this
>>93433415>seriously can’t use the old prosecutors and shit? I have to use these new ones?Noone said that at all. They're on the same size base, and are almost the exact same size as the old ones, so noones ever going to complain about you using them
>>93433427There’s plenty of old models that get replaced and the old ones squatted. Are you newer than me?
>>93428687>TQI play gutbusters, so whatever combination of units I can fit in. I feel like a lot of choices are made for me. Butchers are practically mandatory, Gluttons are too good to pass up for the points, gnoblars con only really go with tyrants unless I want to hand my opponent CP and tyrants seem overcosted. I'd rather pay the 30 points for Leadbelchers over gnoblars, and belchers seem super mid. I love Ironguts and try to slip them in, tyrant or no, but man that 5+ save is bullshit. I would gladly pay more for them to actually be more durable than Gluttons.Much like the 40k indicies I feel like the designers have out me in a box and if I deviate from butcher+gluttons I can't accomplish much.
>>93433415No, nobody will raise an eyebrow if you use a fatcast instead of a slimcast
>>93433438>1st grade reading comprehension Here let me clarify this for you since you are incapable of reading properly.YES YOU CAN USE THE OLD PROSECUTORS NO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE THE NEW PROSECUTORS
From a cursory glance at the indices of armies I like, this seems like a very "build the fucking army the way you're supposed to and stop trying to make a unique composition" edition, and I'm not fond of that.
>>93433462Why are you yelling, ben
>>93433415You can't — the GW employees have full authorization and legal standing to immolate your offending models with a heat gun.
>>93433438This is the worst reply I’ve ever received in my life
>>93433464Personally I just build my armies the way I like regardless if it’s effective or not
>>93433476I was wondering if a war hammer store would let me use 1.0 versions instead of new ones
>>93433500As long as they have that fatcast in front of their building they really don't have room to talk.
>>93433490That's what I'm trying to do, but James hates me for not using Clanrats.
>>93433516There's a number of good Skaven builds without Clanrats, what the fuck are you doing
>>93433437They're not wearing thunderstrike armor so it's not wysiwyg
>>93433544WYSIWYG is only for mentally weak autistics with no object permanence
Is it alright to base the bats from cursed city on 40mms to use as fell bats? I do not want to pay 70 dollars for 3 models worth 90 points.
>>93433564I don't see why not. They're big bats, fell bats are big bats too. Anyone who gives you shit for that is retarded
>>93433564I think you would have to chop em up a little bit but sure.
>>93433564That's fine. They're bats, they're on 40s, TLOS isn't really a big deal in AoS.
>>93433557However you need to cope, buddy.
>>93433544>wysiwyglollmao
>>93433593I'm sorry the school system failed you and you're incapable of reading between the lines. Truly grim
>>93433536>There's a number of good Skaven builds without Clanrats,May I see them?
>>934336600 is a number
>>93433464Must be frustrating being so autistic that you can't cope with running a list that isn't 100% waacfag slop
>>93433736There's a breadth of difference between "I must play WAAC" and "I don't like that the already unpopular units in my army are now so insipidly weak and overcosted that I am guaranteed to lose and have no fun playing them".Justice for Spiderfang.
>>93433464some armies yes, some armies no. armies like kruleboyz and fyreslayers you can build pretty much whatever you want, while other armies like stormcast are very restrictive and playing keyword bingo, so its definitely the cast that not all armies are created equal in terms of army composition in the indexes
>>93433660>what is a Skryre shooting list>what is a Moulder Rat Ogor list>what is Pestilins plague furnace & monksJust the most obvious options. Have you even looked at the faction pack?
>>93433753Sounds like weak waac cope to me. If you actually like your models you'd run them regardless of whether they're competitive or not>Justice for SpiderfangThe only thing keeping you from running spiders is your own unwillingness to play imperfect warscrolls
>>93433815Tell me about all of the fun goings-on in your experiences with playing mono-Spiderfang in 4th, then. I'm getting really sick of needing to explain the difference between "good rules" and "fun rules" every time an edition rolls around for any Warhammer game. It's always>why are you complaining about your army's rules being bland when they just won a tournamentor>why are you complaining about your army's rules being bland when you are indeed physically capable of placing the models on the table; is that not good enough for you?
>>93433774>>what is a Skryre shooting list>>what is a Moulder Rat Ogor list>>what is Pestilins plague furnace & monksI don't know; that's kinda the whole reason why I asked for examples. Do you not understand the general concept of a "question"? Whoops, that was another one.
Can I play an army of just female fyreslayers or do I still have to run all dudes?
>>93433938My guy it's time to face the possibility that you're too dumb to play Skaven if you need to be handheld this hard. Maybe try GSG Troggoths or SBG wolves, those lists build themselves.
>>93433940Concert, kitbash, proxy, etc but yeah
>>93433975Not the slacken anon but I want a troggoth list so bad. They’re so cute/cool and such a wide variety of them too. RIP Hag. I still want to collect one model of her just for fun.
>>93434035If you have or know someone with a printer the entire modern Troggoth range minus the Fellwaters has been scanned and is pretty trivial to find free.
>>93433536there's barely any good builds without 80 clanrats much less 0. Tends to happen when the army is 90% expensive zero armor fragile bullshit.
>>93430845How did you fare without using any endless spells or wizards?
>>93433884I don't play mono anything because I just paint and play with the models I like. I lose some games and win others but I've never used rules as a reason for me to spend a bunch of time and money painting models. Rules change from edition to edition but models are forever, and if you enjoy their aesthetics then when their rules change you still have something you enjoy about the unit instead of building models only for the rules and then hating them when they stop doing what they did last edition
>>93433975Your extreme reticence indicates to me that you're actually just trolling and that no such viable lists exist. Like 80% of the pdf centers around buffing up Clanrats and using them to screen everything.
>>93434079Just get like 60 then and go heavy on the big hitters.
>>93433940there are fyrequeens or whatever and female fyreslayers in the lore. the only thing stopping you is the lack of physical models, as far as i know there are only the 2 in the warcry kit and thats it so far. there have been some 3D print sets with a lot of female slayers though, artisan guild did 2 different sets of them, though his style is a bit more warcrafty so it might put some people off
>>93434110>I don't play mono anything because I just paint and play with the models I like.Yeah, okay, but I literally only like the spider part of GSG, so we're not in the same boat. You have options; I don't.>but I've never used rules as a reason for me to spend a bunch of time and money painting models.This is a total non-sequitur. I never mentioned buying models for rules, or indicated any willingness to alter the roster of models that I currently own. I specifically want the models that I already own to become fun to play. I don't see what I'm expected to do to make this composition enjoyable to play. They don't have any tricks up their sleeve or support elsewhere in the book (beyond the scuttletide gaining a 4+ ward when near an arachnarok, which would be cool if the model weren't the most hideous one in the range, if not the entire game). At this point I wish that Spiderfang had gotten the Bonesplitterz treatment and dumped into Legends, so they would at the very least have their own enhancements and army trait.
>>93434110I mean usually it's a balance of the two because it is a game and the warscrolls are supposed to be evocative or the model and their background I was on the fence about Twistweald until the fluff won me over, I wanted to play Spiderfang in part because the mw seemed thematic and fun (in the context of 2e)
>>93434146RPGslop and post 1e is not canon as GW had gotten compromised.Fyreslayers are a patriarchy and their armies are all male.
>>93434079Looking at the high-win Skaven lists on BCP from the last week I see one (1) list with 80 clanrats and the rest have 40, 20, or none. Where exactly are you pulling your lists from?
>>93434215I don’t know how to say this but You should probably kill yourself
>>93434254Way ahead of you. I'm a ghost.
>>93434260>I am the living deadYou didn’t do it right
>>93434254Is this you?
>>93434244from looking at the index instead of some mid tables at podunks.
>>93434285ten in mawtribes
Imagine how much more interesting 4th would be if they'd simply given each battle formation its own spell lore and set of enhancements
>>93434285Sorry I forgot I can’t be mean to people here :(
>>93434325So you can dish it but you can’t take it? Yeah that’s definitely you.
>>93434295>I can't figure out obvious unit synergies by reading the index>This makes me smarter than actual competitive players at 50+ member eventsHoly shit you're not just dumb as hell, you're actually proud of it. Bro just throw together whatever, the list you bring isn't going to change the outcome.
>pinches you
>>93434330Stop you’re hurting my feelings :’( I’ll never tell somebody to a backflip off the notre dame again I forgot how sensitive 4chan.org is. I love you Anon
>>93434346>breaks his own wrist
>>93434355Sigmarxism isn't sending their best.
>>93434355I’ll give you something to really cry about. I’m gonna make you build and paint this entire box while you watch me downvote all your posts
>>93434325This is the legacy of 4channel. A bunch of tourists who never left and act like snowflakes if you tell them kys. Thanks Chinkmoot
Love watching two retards jabber back and forth about the viability of builds whilst both refusing to give a single example of a list to prove they aren't bullshitting
>>93434397>downvote your postsI know I was joking about you guys being retarded but what’s going on right now I feel like you dropped the bit and are actually retarded
>>93434401You told a guy to kill himself because he didn't like female models. Maybe ask yourself who the real tourist is here.
>>93434368I'll be honest, I sawed off the hand bit so it looked like just a metal lobster claw. Even if the concept of the whole thing is fucking hilarious.
>>93434368>breaks wristSounds like a kruleboyz problem
>>93434414Still crying? I’m sorry I posted that photo of you, ok? Jesus Christ, sis!
>>93434419>anonymous is one person Every single time it never fails I told him kill himself because he sounded like a retard when he said >RPGslop and post 1e is not canon as GW had gotten compromisedThere are many ways you can say this without sounding like a fucking retard but I unfortunately made the mistake of believing that was possible. I won’t expect intelligent posts anymore you’re right.
>>93434444God damn girl go off! Yas queen
>>93434341how are some dudes that didn't win shit week one evidence that they're playing the book right.
>>93434454Thanks sweetie!
>>93434419People tell each other to kill themselves over any given disagreement.
>>93434419Me when it’s my first time on 4ching
Anyone else ever have to set their minis aside for a bit to not have that fucked up autist art brain where you see every little mistake.
>>93434467Doesn't mean anon's reason for doing so isn't cringe. He confirmed it himself.
>>93434467>>93434474Reading comprehension undetected. His issue is with your gauche taste. You’re take is that of a secondary tourist, genius
>>93434346I'll never forgive them for removing brute boss weapon options and rules
>>93434419>reaction image filename starting in "17">out-of-date reference + it being used incorrectlyyep it's a fake oldfag
>>93434499A twelve year old typed this post
>>93434346I love IJ but despise that part since it's trying so hard to shove the power klaw into fantasy for no reason
>>93434492If being "cringe" warranted not posting on this site there wouldn't be any posters at all>>93434493"Undetected" means "hidden", not "not present".
>>93434499I use the random filenames feature. My bad.
>>93434493Kys
>>93434513I fit one welcome our big meaty metal claws
>>93434346I remember I got one of those brutes with the wooshy sticks, I kitbashed like 3 clubs on chains onto it, I am still shocked that shit manages to hold together.
Do any of the warcry books or slaves tomes ever touch on how marks work for dwarfs? Obviously they exist but I'm curious how they get around the whole magic/mutation thing
>>93434513>no reason"Power Klaws are cool" is a reason, maybe not a good one but this is Orcs we're talking about
>>93434518The vocabulary retort! Sis is running out of arrows in her lady-quiver
LOVELYLUMINETHLADIES
>>93434567I feel like models looking cool is the only reason they need to exist >>93434568Being Ironically cringe is still cringe you aren’t making a point you just look unhinged
>>93434588Having fun is its own reward you dunce
>>93433500Warhammer stores and tournemants only really care if your shit is third party. And if its 3d printed well and painted you can even get away with that.
>>93434110Some really cool conversion here. Love the boss? swinging around a fanatic
How necessary is Kragnos for Ironjawz? I'm just getting into the army, and his buffs seem almost mandatory to shore up their weaknesses, but the model really doesn't appeal to me.
>>93434596>I’m just having funcels when you’re just having fun and tell them to kill themselves
>>93434673Shoring up your weaknesses is certainly an option, or you could just lean into your strengths and not take him.
>>93434673You absolutely do not need kragnos in IJ
>>93434563They never really acknowledge it outside of that model just existing
>>93434739>>93434721What does a good list look like these days, then? I inherited a bunch of shit from a friend but I'm looking at how to expand it. Sure, I want to have fun, but I find winning much more fun than losing
>>93434563It's not actually a dwarf, he just is a regular guy who had some accidents happen and lost his shins and wrist parts. Please don't make fun of him by calling him a dwarf.He's had a hard life, he fought in many wars, please don't bully. Please don't, please don't bully him. Please.
>>93434763>>93433126
>>93433815I would love spiderfag refresh, I like individual spider models and wish we had some more creeps like them in Nurgle but I want them to be done by come competent and creative people. Last thing I want is more of CoS or diversityoath armies. Less humanoid armies are safer from the brainrot.
>>93434110post turtle
>>93434583They dont exist. All of the art make me belive that.
>>93433940It would be very abnormal fluffwise but not impossible. That warband are the only official female FS models so actually realizing it would be basically impossible without going third party/prints
>>93434792You're a git.
>>93434843
>>93434929You shutup you dumb idiot
Thinking of starting to collect Spiderfang given their fate seems ambiguous, are riders or arachnaroks more handy to gradually add to a general GSG list (mainly troggs and infantry moonclan).
>>93435009Riders. Fast little nobodies far suit your needs better
>>93435009Riders have one thing going for them: Guaranteed 10" move. Arachnaroks have pretty much nothing that justifies their cost.
>>93435009Riders play the mission if nothing else. Arachnaroks questionably do anything and cost a ton.
>>93433500You will be instantly killed if you try. (Actually they will not care even slightly)
Speaking of experimenting with Gitz,>wanted to try out Snarlfang Riders because I find their speed and movement rule interesting>due to keywords they can literally only be taken by named charactersoh okay I'll go fuck myself then
>>93435097Truly a mistake of a unit.
>>93435009If you're worried about not being able to get them at all just know they'll for sure be rereleased for old world if they do get dropped from AoS
>>93435111Bonesplitterz aren't and ToW has a terrible timeframe so I'm not even including (yet)
>>93435129Well, spider riders and arachnaroks are literally in TOW right now, unlike savage orcs.
>>93435024>>93435042>>93435052Do the Spider Riders sold by GW right now still come with the sprue of their special rectangle bases? Have any of you bought them recently?
>>93435181They do
New edition bad.
>>93435097They're the best battle tactic units in the faction but if you have redshirt autism that doesn't help you much
>>93435243Are you saying that not wanting to use named characters is "redshirt autism"? How does that follow?
>>93435134Both have rules and neither are sold as a ToW product? Bonesplitterz are out of production
>>93435295Empire and warriors of chaos aren't even being sold yet for old world and they're the main characters
>>93435269>Noooo my army has to be entirely faceless nobodies, having anyone of narrative importance on the battlefield is breaking my immersion!
>>93435346What's that got to do with an outdated slang term for GW employees though?
>>93435318They're probably saving them for last and will be released together in 2-3 years
>>93435346>skragrott>trugg>kragnos>narrative importance
>>93435397Wait, do people not know what Star Trek is? I thought this was an older board.>>93435415More than <your dudes>, .0000001 > 0.
>>93435457>Wait, do people not know what Star Trek is?I do, but when people say "redshirt" in Warhammer threads, they're referring to Games Workshop employees, who used to wear red shirts.
>>93435318Orcs and Goblins is out
>>93431025Sounds like a WAACfag hell
>>93435482Assuming they've ever been in a GW store, which I guess you may not be aware don't exist everywhere. I'm not sure if there's one in my entire state, if it is it's not one of the biggest LGS in any of the major cities so I don't care to look.
>>93431728Autism
>>93432535Lmao maybe you should lift bro with your bitch tier weak and effeminate hands
>>93435415I like how Trugg has no reason not to go back to sleep for another millennia after Skaventide
>>93435486And they're missing half the range
>>93435574Trugg sucks. His model is ugly, it's too small, he's boring even for a troggoth. Should've just done a named hag so they could get a cool wizard that can actually be smart enough to interact with other entities
>>93435723Trugg rocks. His model looks good, its bigger than the other trolls, which makes him an exciting troggoth. I am glad they went with a cool troll lord instead of a lame hag wizard. I like that Trugg doesn't talk to other entities.
>>93434763Brute spam seems common, the ragerz having run & charge and strike first makes them worth it. Ardboyz are hard to chew through but you really don’t need many.Gore gruntas got nerfed into the ground now and are arguably the worst cav in the game now. So I’d personally avoid them.Big pigs are good, especially hakkin crew which has some nutty movement shenanigans. Mawcrushas just aren’t worth their points and even gordrakk is just “ok”. Finding slots for the chanter and shaman is tough because you’d like more but they aren’t free. Wierdfist probably the best subfaction.
>>93435801Are gore gruntas not worth it just to go fast enough to complete battle tactics? I figured they were expensive but necessary to actually get shit done and win games.
>>93435838The issue is they're expensive AND hit like noodles, where as you can get a hakkin crew pig who can do all of that but go even faster while hitting harder.
>>93435801Played a game with Weirdfist, I can only say that its a trap, I've only made like 2 of the 60 something ward rolls.
>>93435801They need to get some kind of bundle box for me to even consider getting ragerz/wreckas. Even for GW these guys are ridiculous
Someone convince me not to buy more stormfiends
Played a bunch of games and endless spells are ruining my enjoyment of the game, they are way too impactful and make shitty little wizards absurdly cost efficient for no reasonI assume they were intentionally made broken so that they could clear out the boxes of Endless spells they had around unsold but i hope a hotfix happens soon
>>93435984They're overcosted for what they do in both Skryre and Moulder and take a long time to paint halfway decently. They do look absolutely dope though.
>>93436016Run Krondspine if ES have you that butthurt, that's what he's for.
Remember the legendary transfigured?
>>93436016The ironic thing is that the generic Endless Spells have been sold out 5ever and are actually kind of hard to get.
>>93435861I'm less worried about hitting and more about, like, Claim Their Land or the one that makes you take short board edges.
>>93435984They're hideous
>>93436030Is this what soulbound calls ruination chamber
>>93436016Feels more like they wanna sell this guy.
>>93436082No, it's what the 2nd edition battletome called stormcast who had started looking weird.
>>93428687Soon
>>93435951IJ is probably the most expensive army in the game to get into, no vanguard/spearhead, no Christmas boxes, and the SC boxes are out of print and contain old models and weak ass gruntas
>>93436042Just take a gouger desu
>>93436042The advantage there for the big pigs is that hakkin crews get to just straight up move even when engaged and can go through units they're in combat with when doing so, so between that and Power Through they're wildly good for BTs and objectives.
Anyone got a chance to play with the new skaven gatling cannon? Worth it's weight or nah?
>>93435838They're kinda the battle tactic choice but I'll level with you, taking Maw-grunta Gougers at a 30 point premium might actually be the better move for the same purpose because they're not shit. It's legit distressing how bad gore-gruntas are, they're anti-cav heavy cave that get their shit pushed in by other cav even in the combat-only grind they're supposedly designed for and they're shit targets for buffs compared to 'ardboyz/brutes.
>>93436178Brutes getting +2 attacks from a Control 12 foot megaboss is the funniest shit I've seen in 4th so far.
>>93436175Unlike the Warp Lightning Cannon it actually benefits quite a bit from the Skryre and Arch-warlock buffs so yeah, it's pretty good.
>>93435984You'd have to clean the moldlines on the brainrats and glue that fucking chest piece in three times
>>93436175>>93436200I ran two in a game against SBGL in a warpcog convocation and they sucked ass. Barely killed a unit of 10 skeletons and did fuckall against Neferata and Lauka Vai. I am a notorious poor dice roller though, so I’m sure I was just on the low end of effect statically. Needs more runs for sure, but I don’t think they’re better than cheap ass flamethrowers that have 2 rend and hit on 2s
>>93436263The ratling gun and warpfire thrower average like 3 damage my guy, they're ass. The Doom-flayer is at least a solid battle tactic unit that can do decent kamikaze work against infantry when you're done with it, but weapon teams generally aren't worth looking at until you're sub 200pts remaining in a list.
Do you think gargants just piss shit and cum down gnawholes to deal with skaven
>>93436362That would attract more Skaven
>>93434705you can’t make fun of me after I make fun of someone else!!!!!!
>>93436362you’re just giving them a free banquet
>>93436362They gangbang it until all the skaven drown
>>93431987the shoes have always ruined this look and they still do
>>93436416>implying a society of 99.9% male soldiers with fat rat nuts and extremely restricted access to females can't guzzle truly obscene amounts of cum and come back for moreX
>>93436441I get that you're bitter your kicks don't look like baked potatoes like those fly mfs but you don't have to air that shit out here
>>93436441Message received
It’s fucked up and sad and grim that the storm cast externals’ mounts aren’t also reforged after death. Also how do they keep up a supply of trained gryph hounds????
>>93436548The dragons/dracoths/draconiths are.
>>93436548Same way all of the other people who don't respawn on death do?
>>93436566Huh?
>>93436178So, what I currently own, inherited from a friend:> 6 Gore Gruntas> 20 Ardboyz> 8 Brutes> Warcry Brutes (can act as Brutes or Ragerz)> 2 Foot Megabosses> 2 Warchanters> Gordrakk, Fist of Gork> 1 Weirdnob Shaman > Enough Kruleboyz to make Big Grikk'sBest to go for the Big Pig next? Or should I up my Brute numbers?
>>93436556only the dracoths and stardrakesthe draconith don't it's like the difference between coalesced and starborne
>>93436548loooooota shit covered peasants jerking off gryphcharger studs to artificially inseminate enough mares to meet demand>>93434763Sadly Ironjawz is a small index with too many terrible or ass-backwards units, as gross as it is a core 'ardboy anvil backed up with bosses and Zoggrok and some big pigs to play battle tactics or smash face when that's not necessary is probably the way to go.
>>93436619Out of that list the 'arboyz, warchanter(s), and shaman are easy auto includes, more 'arboyz, some big bosses, or some big pigs are probably your best buys. All of those have been scanned if you have access to a printer, I don't envy anyone that's looking down the barrel of 3+ maw-grunta purchases.
I really hope that there is no twist to the shadow elves. Yes they’re spiky, yes they’re rude, yes they’re evilly pale, yes they’re mean, yes they are absolutely good guys who you can depend on in a life threatening situation Every single elf in this fucking setting sucks they’re all fucking assholes >Volturnos - Asshole>Morathi - Queen Bitch of Assholes>Teclis - Such an asshole his countries are more excited to see Cellenar than him>Maleneth - Average Asshole Maesa- His Sword and quest is specifically turning him into an asshole There’s two whole elves who aren’t assholes. Zenthe and that one elf Callis fucked at the end of silver shard who probably got retconned
>>93436612Nobody else's mounts come back from death outside of daemons.
>>93435838they are still necessary. I'd probably run something like this.Ardboy Big Boss 130- 20 x Ardboyz 360- 20 x Ardboyz 360Warchanter 120- 5 x Brutes 200- 1 x Maw-grunta Gougers 220Weirdnob Shaman 130- 3 x Gore-gruntas 190- 6 x Brute Ragerz 2801990/2000pts
>>93436030How can I ever forget /ourguy/ Thostos
>>93435984I won't. I refuse.They're sold out though.
>>93436018They're the only really good unit in the army atm.
>>93436707What about the Death ones
>>93436736They don't come back from Death, they live there.
>>93436200That isn't a benefit for it, it still hits for less than a wlc. and you can cover fire a wlc also. Warp-Gatling is strictly something you put in as a second artillery piece so you can double overcharge, and even then jezzails are just better. The things output really isn't that good statistically despite the zomg6d6shits meme when they showed it.
>>93436323>average like 3 damagetake a guess what the warpblaster hits for without OCing it.
Had a game against Sylvaneth today, their army abilities may have diminished but Belthanos is fucking crazy.Dude is impossible to pin down, does pretty big damage and simply gives 3 sylvaneths units run and charge for free with no range restriction.
>>93436701>Volturnos - AssholeWhere? He's trying to unite his people and if anything, the fuckers at Fue'than are the real assholes. Now he might be suffering from malachi.He might lead a faction of piratical soul raiders, but they largely do that out of necessity. What makes them different from Dark Eldar is that many of them are actively working to fix their flaw vs degenerating into it.
>>93436799>simply gives 3 units run and charge for free with no range restriction.what? He doesn't give you a free 12" charge to do that??
>>93436733Not remotely true, improve your unit analysis skills beyond "lol max damage in a turn in a white room".
>>93436810Maybe if he wasn’t a shit high king he would have control over those degenerates and tell the people of Anvilguard he’s not an asshole >#NotMyHighKing>#LurienSoultakerSweep
>>93436883yeah I'll take the deepstriking guys with +3 charge over the 140 point dudes who are the only bodyguard in the game that don't share their ward, or the buff alter that only buffs 50% of the time, or a TWOFUCKINHUNDO&SEVENTY point hellpit thanks.
>>93436810I thought teclis explicitly let them live by Tyrions decree. Why would he try to genocide them again wouldn’t his brother just beat him up Why doesn’t the bigger twin eat the little one? Is he stupid
>>93436785~5, or ~3 assuming a 3+ save and none of the buffs that could apply to it do so. Remind me, do warpfire or ratlings get access to more-more, overwhelming firepower, or benefit as much from Rally?>>93436935>comparing Stormfiends to one of the worst units in the index and a cute one-of to make a pointlol, lmao even. If you're going Moulder you'd take Rat Ogors instead, or if you're Skryre Clanrats tarpit better for your war engines, monks for Pestilins, or Clanrats again for Verminous. Melee Stormfiends are a thing you can do in Moulder that could be very good but the numbers aren't convincing enough to make it something you definitely should do. Run them if you like, they're not bad for sure, but calling them the best thing in the index is just so wrong I don't know what to say.
>>93436947>Why would he try to genocide them againBecause Teclis is always rightMind you just because he’s right doesn’t mean he’s doing the right thing that’s like his whole theme
I love how "WAACfag" gets thrown all over the place for everyone except the bean counters who insist that you should only use two units per army because the rest aren't efficient enough
>>93437013ehhhhh he's right assuming everything goes the way he plans but it basically never does. He taught the Empire magic wrong on purpose to avoid another Nagash but humans using Dark Magic turned up anyway. He helped Nagash return thinking he could handle all of the winds of magic but he was wrong and now Nagash is everyone's problem forever. He's chill with the Lumineth freezing people in time in the instant of death because that starves both Nagash and Chaos but it''s pretty fucked and also not super sustainable.
>>93437011Your comparing it to shit that cost 90 points, not that they're particularly good either really.>If you're going Moulder you'd take Rat Ogors insteadI don't see any particular reason to, they're far more fragile, less efficient to revive, don't kill themselves, and much worse when the ward pops.
>>93436914The majority of the general population doesn't even know that the IDK exist
i just got a battlefoam bag to transport my shit in, any tips for stormcast liberators? their spears seem so finnicky. really any tips for shit like spears in general
>>93437221Liberators don't have spears
>>93436810If they wanted him to be more popular they should have made him a hot brooding dude with long hair, or a women with large tits and a nice ass.
>>93437232whichever ones have spears im tired as shit
>>93437297>>93437297>>93437297Get in here so we can bitch about how useless the Incarnate is now.
>>93437109Sure, we can do a little mathhammer. So a reinforced unit of Stormfiends (we'll assume full melee with Doomflayers because Moulder) is 520 and a reinforced unit of Rat Ogors is 340. They can get all the same buffs except the Rat Ogor Unleashed Warp Fury that's fairly likely to kill one so we'll ignore it till the end if it's needed. They have identical Warp Flamers for ~2 damage per round (all calculations assume a 3+ save, which favors Stormfiends a bit), and Stormfiends put out ~12+5+1=16d in melee per turn. Rat Ogors put out ~13d per round, which adjusted for the 1.53 point differential comes out to ~19.9 damage per turn. If you want to roll the dice on Unleashed Warp Fury + Skavenbrew that gives Rat Ogors an extra attack 42% of the time bumping them up an extra 1-2 damage per turn. So yeah, offensively ROs are more efficient but there's also defense to consider, where SFs have 6hp at 4+ and ROs have 4hp at 5+, assuming damage 1 rend 0 attacks (not realistic I know) SFs have 72 hp and ROs have 48.8 adjusted for points.The TL;DR is ROs have better offensive math and more individual units per list, Stormfiends have better defensive math and can deepstrike intrinsically.
>>93435984You only ever need 6Never any more>>93436018It's pretty easy to paint them though. Clear areas to put color on. They were the first minis I did when I was starting out and were a lot easier than smaller more detailed minis
>>93428687Warhammer fantasy won. Again. LOL!
>>93434091Suprisingly well, altho like I said the first day I had a very good mission for me in all 3 games. Not having battleshock helps out immensely, if I played a more "standard" army, things would probably have been a bit worse.
