UNMANNED EDITIONprevious thread >>93770823>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:https://mtgcommander.net/>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.http://www.tappedout.nethttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>how to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com/>Thread Question/Prompt:
>>93777344>>Thread Question/Prompt:Whats a deck you'd build just for the silly??
I picked up a Midnight Hunt pre-con, is there a guide on what to swap out to make it better? I'm not looking to be cEDH sweat, just make it more fun.
>>93777348Hylda just to make ice puns and because I have a lenticular Cirno sticker to put on the box.
>>93777357which one?
>>93777374>lenticular Cirno sticker to put on the boxSo, you're running Grozoth, right?
Surprised no one said anything about this card, seems pretty good
>>93777380I didn't even know there was more than one, that's how stupid I am.It's Undead Unleashed
>>93777384Mostly seems good in that new rakdos precon
>>93777382I guess I'd have to.
>>93777384I hope it's not expensive singles wise cause this will go hard in a lot of Gyrson decks.
Don't ever make me wait that long for a new thread again. It was cold on page 7
Gay Bolas
>>93777390>>93777357Wilhelt is probably the best zombie tribal guy except maybe scarab god?https://www.moxfield.com/decks/704hfeKGQ0e7CDTy7ApwiQJust look around on moxfield to see how their lists compare
Bisexual Ugin
Straight Bolas
Why is norin black now
>>93777430to make you upset. and for every post you make complaining about it aanother character will be made black.
Too many black hebes
>>93777390Wilt's pretty good. You can look at moxfield budget decks for ideashttps://www.moxfield.com/decks/public/advanced/views?hub=Budget&sort=views&board=mainboard&commanderCardId=kO8M0&commanderCardName=Wilhelt%2C+the+RotcleaverAnd EDHrec also sorted by budget for some card ideas.https://edhrec.com/commanders/wilhelt-the-rotcleaver/budgetThe biggest new addition is Accursed Marauder.
>>93777430The real question is why the fuck he's so young. Time Spiral was sixty years ago.
>>93777441
>>93777447Mark talked about it on his blog already
>>93777430>nowthe guy looks like an abbo
>>93777467>it's magic, i ain't gotta explain shit
>>93777467>apparentlySomehow, Palpatine returned.
>>93777441Sort of interesting I guess. I dont like durdly enchantress style decks though, I was hoping for more Zur, Eternal Schemer support.>>93777449Seems kinda boring. Its just more Simic stuff
>>93777384Ob auto include
>>93777469Is he holding a squid?
>>93777430Norin was never white.
Valgavoth is actually just Yawgmoth. Not literally, but conceptually. He's a fuckhuge monoblack creature, one of the most powerful beigns in the multiverse, became one with his own plane. If Valgavoth can get a card, God Yawgmoth can get a card.
>>93777449This is a very interesting design
>>93777441I'm beginning to think I need to put this in everything with access to red cause so many new legends are just barely above lightning bolt
>>93777506Nah. Cards for Urza were also a mistake.
Manifest Dread seems like a pretty strong mechanic. It's basically Surveil 2, but you get to add to the board with a 2/2 that can potentially become a full card later
Apparentally 5 cards with a mechanic in a set is the minimum for an ability to be keyworded and it's the product leads decision whether or not it is
>>93777512It's pretty much better Bolt in EDH. I wouldn't ever run Bolt instead of it, although Bolt still barely hits enough I'd consider both.Although I'd run anything else if I had access to anything in esper
This dude seems like a super interesting take on a self-mill commander. I like that he rewards you for playing many different card types, and he reanimates anything. You can reanimate huge creatures, enchantments, artifacts. And he inherently just works well with other delirium cards.
>>93777529Manifesting/cloaking/morphing a card without those mechanics is an interesting design space. That zimone can cheat out any permanent she wants into play.
>>93777577Doesn't have to be permanents. She can cheat out a sorcery if she wants, it just ceases being a creature once it's flipped face-up.
If you tap a room it becomes vertical
>>93777620Man they missed an opportunity to have rooms have text like "enters tapped and does not untap at the untap step" so that they would be horizontal automatically
>>93777512This should be if it targets right? Kinda bonkers as is
>>93777587>Doesn't have to be permanentsReading the card explains the card. Want to try that again?
>>93777566I like the card types thing same thing that made baba lysaga fun, seeing how many card types I could get on a single card
>>93777620Note that it is very hard to tap enchantments
>>93777662A sorcery that's been turned face-down with manifest dread is a 2/2 creature. Creatures are permanents. You turn it face up, it becomes a sorcery instead of a creature, resolves, and goes into your graveyard.If you manifest dread and the top 2 cards of your library are instants, what do you think happens?
Alright so what are the odds of there being a horror dino?Feels like every set gets a designated dinosaur in it nowadays.There's that jurassic park analog horror plus dinos can be kinda scary (I guess) so I'm thinking we might get one.
>>93777643They are. They enter horizontal
>>93777676>Enchantment set>Enchantment split cards that can become 4cmc later>Cycle of 'suspend' mythics Bello can cheat past>Already got an autoincludeBelloBrothers we're going to eat GOOD.
Who's excited to be hardlocked extremely easily with zero cards in hand? I know I'm excited to run the stupid bastard until he gets banned.
>>93777620There are literally hundreds of ways to tap an enchantment even before you talk about Opalessence.
HELLBENT TIME
>>93777706I'm going to tell lgs people it's part of the mechanic rules for the room type that they enter tapped
Mark talking about black and enchantments 1/2
>>93777678>resolvesNope.701.34g If a manifested permanent that’s represented by an instant or sorcery card would turn face up, its controller reveals it and leaves it face down. Abilities that trigger whenever a permanent is turned face up won’t trigger.
Mark talking about black and enchantments 2/2
>>93777447He was exiled until the end of his players turn.That player?Niv Mizzet. That's why it took like 60 years
>>93777837>>93777832God I hate nosewater so fucking much.
>>93777842Kek
>>93777449Really unique, I'll give them that.
>>93777759I prefer Heaven Sent
>>93777449>the first time this ability has resolvedcowards
I'm pretty sure Mark is saying here that cards that care about manifest also count manifest dread? Left out the question because it was long af
>>93777929My understanding is the creatures in play 'have been manifested', but it's a separate ability. I can't find anything that specifically triggers 'when you manifest' though.
>>93777929Yeah he is. Manifest dread manifests cards
Honest thoughts? My pod says it's annoying to play against because of the interaction.https://www.moxfield.com/decks/5dRj66uKmEWqwbfugITiHA
>show mercy to a player near death >regret it every single time How do I learn to stop doing this?
>>93778032You sound like my friend who loved to prolong games endlessly in Munchkin, not actually seeking to win but also preventing anyone else from winning. Playing with her was a fucking nightmare.
>>93777449How does it compare?
>>93778022Cyclonic and Farewell are annoying regardless of the deck casting them. If you swap them out and they still complain then skill issue.
>>93778032Get drunk, watch gore, take a break to masturbate and drink a beer; repeat for 12 years, sleeping only when you pass out. Eat only hot pockets. It's the only way.>>93778022It's fine, tell your group to stop being a faggot.
>>93778022It basically wouldnt function with less interaction Looks fun desu if a bit under powered
Somebody asked why Valgavoth's Lair isn't legendary. Mark says it's because legendary lands don't play very well usually. Last interesting post I saw from the blog tonight
>>93778097What's missing from his answer is probably "in formats other than commander"We don't really care about it, but this is a standard set. If you draw multiple copies of a legendary land, you might as well scoop
>got bored playing edh>decided to do some bucket list builds>built OG Palladia-Mors>holy shit building a deck that isnt just an engine in the command zone is actually funI dont know if I can go back to build-around-me commanders desu sandpie
>>93777671Yeah, i've always wanted to build a Baba Lysaga deck but i was put off by how if she dies the entire deck stops functioning. He isn't as pivotal to the central gameplan, i might actually get the precon if its nice
>>93777348Haha Sexy Rexy vs Dirty Dogmeat, who wins in a partner contest :)
>>93778150Tbh I came to this realization recently too. I think we're coming full circle and it's more interesting to have a payoff in the command zone vs a card advantage engine
>>93778032This is always me, i keep throwing games by dividing damage. You should almost always kill people instead of letting them live with low HP
>>93778162The white women
>>93778172I might even just start playing basically nothing in the command zone as long as I can get away with itI might need to start playing regular old highlander
>>93778097I'd say the real reason is to make it better. Maro gave the same excuse when people asked why the World Tree from Kaldheim wasn't legendary, and then they proceeded to print the Neon Dynasty legendary land cycle like 3 months later. Valgavoth's Lair is made a lot better by not being legendary, usually with legendary lands you only run one copy per deck, but since Lair isn't legendary it means you can get four triggers for enchantment-matters stuff off lands in your deck
>>93778195>to make it betterWell they could have started by making it playable at all.
>>93778202Literally every enchantment-matter deck in EDH is going to want to run it, and it might also see play in standard depending on how strong the enchantress archetype there ends up being.
>>93778202>a land that taps for any color, has hexproof, and triggers enchantment effects is bad because...it comes in tappedThis is your mind on cedh games that end in 3 turns
>>93777676I like that meme image
>>93778150>take tuck away>every deck uses their commander like training wheels and cant function without it>the format becomes boring BRINGBACKTUCK
>>93778227Tuck sucked and I was part of the group that convinced the ex to change it
>>93778210>>93778219>Literally every enchantment-matter deck in EDH>triggers enchantment effectsIt literally doesn't trigger any enchantresses, and it bins itself off Opalescence or Starfield. The number of cards that care about your enchantment count being +1 higher is minimal to say the least. People don't run the artifact lands because they trigger ETB effects, they run them for sacrificing and tapping and a slew of other synergies that simply don't exist for enchantments.
>>93778232Name one bad thing about tuck
>>93778245>It literally doesn't trigger any enchantressesYou don't play enchantress
>>93778245>literal free draw with eidolon of blossoms>femeref enchantress whenever the lair is sent to the graveYou are a fucking retard
>a format that's main selling point is the fact you have a focal point to base tour entire theme and strategy off of it>ummm sweaty ackshually uounreally shouldn't even be heckin using that>>93778245>it literally doesn't trigger any enchantressWhat did blud mean by this
>>93778245Bro never heard of constellation trigger.
>>93778272Ok how about the fact that it was only available in two colors, white and blue? And the only black and green could truly combat it because they have tutors? Or how it's not a valuable mechanic except when used against an opposing commander Nevermind how it's a griefer mechanic because I'm sure you don't care about that
>>93778245In edh? Bretty bad. In real formats with composer of spring? If buyouts are any indicator it's going to be a real deck with 4x urzas saga, 4x of whatever's blah blah blah.
>>93777832>>93777837>Nooo we can't have good spot removal that would hurt feelings!!!I hate this retard so fucking much why is Leyline Binding my best generic option in Legacy?
>>93778316It's nowhere near as bad as urzas saga lmao
>>93778245We just talked about this last thread bruh.
>>93778221I don't know who drew it or why, but I'm glad they did
>>93777832>We don't want that line of text appearing in too many placesFuck this guy
>>93777469He looks pure I-M170 WHG
>>93778324What are you on about?
>>93778286>>93778293That's a nice interaction, but every other enchantress says "cast" and coming into play tapped is a huge drawback.
>>93778326I wish she had something else in her mouth.
>>93778245From the thread that brought you "One Ring is bad"
>>93778340Two different definitions of "bad">This card is bad [as a card]It doesn't do enough to justify the opportunity cost of including it>This card is bad [for the format]This fucking thing is ruining games.
>>93778319>>93778335>NOOOOO EVERY COLOR COMBO SHOULD BE ABLE TO REMOVE EVERY PERMANENT TYPE IN THE GAME!!! You ever notice how this place simultaneously bitches about cards breaking what the colors are allowed to do and also asks for every color to be able to do everything?>>93778341It really isn't unless your local meta is awful, ie retardedly fast to the point where 99% of cards are unplayable anyway. If it's the only tapland you're running you are not going to care. Especially if you're running green and are ramping a shit ton anyway
>>93778366
>>93778367And color pie philosophy is incompatible with Commander, so the color pie needs to adapt, it's as simple as that. I'm sorry this fact seems to upset you so much
>>93778341Magus of Candelabra? Nature's Chosen? Bear Umbra?
>>93778367>Uh actually removal should suck ass and the player with the most value pieces in their mulligan should always winSuck a chode.
>>93778367Color pie breaks should have been instituted to give every color Force of Will if Nosewater wants to keep printing shit with Ward - Lose the game and etbs that win the game.
What's a good mana rock to replace this with? I'm not concerned with price.
>>93778022>Counterspell>Counterspell>Counterspell>Counterspell>Counterspell>Ect.I wonder why your pod finds it annoying. I'm not going to tell you not to play counterspells and it sounds like your opponents need to consider hexproof, shroud, Rhythm of the Wild, ect. to avoid their shit from being fucked up.Cyclonic and Farewell are classic so I can't fault you there.
Does anyone here play prEDH?
>>93778341It feeds Sanctum Weaver so entering tapped isn't that much of a problem.
>>93778367You have some pretty bad takes anon.
>>93778408>it's the ward schizo>>93778400>play a color combo you know can't remove certain things easily>complain when said thing is hard for you to remove >>93778422Nah, I'm objectively right. Cope.
>>93778421>doesn't look anything at all like the other dryads of Theros>flavor text explicitly states it's from TherosShit bugs me.
>>93778430>Uh actually color identity is super important to me when a color might get removal with it instead of stax and value pieces!
>>93778430>Play a color known for removing one type of thing>Play a different color known for removing everything else>But no we can't print a card that uses both colors to destroy everything that would be too scary of an effect!!!
>>93778430Lolno. In edh multicolour taplands are a dime a dozen; a hexproof enchantment land as a 4x in other formats is much more valuable. And personally I'm a big fan of monocolour having limitations, but the balance has shifted and everyone is running multicolour abominations, so we need tools to efficently deal with those problems that dont break other formats, especially if people are going to try and regulate the power level of decks. You can race a game-winning enchantment in colours that cant deal with it, but that's not the right solution.
>>93778441I have no idea what you're trying to say but this just sounds like seethe to me>>93778444>designer of the game tells you he wants to save all encompassing removal to a few specific colors so that it doesn't just become common as fuck in every 3 color+ pairing>NOOOOO WHY SHOULD THE BEST REMOVAL BE SAVED FOR THE 2 COLOR COMBOS WITH THE BEST OVERALL REMOVAL THAT ARE INTEGRAL PARTS OF THEIR DESIGN!!!!This general consistently proves why no one cares about the average mtg players opinions.
>buy precon deck>legendary in precon deck is more interesting than face commander>urge to buy another precon with parts that would suit side legendary>cycle continues endlesslyFuck... the mh3 energy precon is only $35... but I promised myself I wouldn't buy anymore
>>93778466>so that it doesn't just become common as fuck in every 3 color+ pairingAs opposed to what we currently have where it's common as fuck in 5c value piles because they can always access the color that gets it for 1 mana?
>hexproof enchantment land
>>93778470The only precon I've bought purely for parts was the strixhaven izzet one, though it had some pretty nice parts.
>>93778466>he actually cares about nosewater's opinionYou know he doesnt actually play magic, right? He plays limited a few times a year with his kids. He, unironically, is one of the worst people to talk to about magic because the OGs hated him, and he's so long in the tooth he barely understands the game. His whole job is to speak corporate double talk to justify whatever the company wants, and nothing more.All that being said, you dont have to post here. Go somewhere else, you wont be missed.
>>93778483>5 color decks have access to the colors with removal so they're very good at removing thingsWtf really?!?!?!? Almost lile that'd be even more so the case if every color got to remove everything wouldn't it be you dumb fuck. I'm saying 3+ color cards not decks. In your world any and all 3+ color card should just be able to say destroy target permanent and that's retarded and goes against everything magic is based on. Fuck off>>93778498>wtf you care about the opinion of the head designer of the game?!?>you should listen to me random 4chan schizo instead!>y-you don't agree with me?? Then l-leave you won't be missed! *cries*
>>93778466Players should be rewarded for having focused color identity instead of playing commanders for 5c access, and I'm sorry you don't understand that.
>>93778430>Nah, I'm objectively right. Cope.Oh look it's the narcissist again
>>93778470I bought the Fallout Precon of Dr. Madison Li, thought Liberty Prime was the superior choice and decided to get the MH3 Energy commander itself solo and the couple energy cards I need in it as singles so I didn't buy two. Just figure out what you need
>>93778509Shoo shoo, adults are talking. If you're going to ignore articulate posts you dont like to shitpost in greentext, your time would be better spent elsewhere, because it's immediately obvious you lack the capacity for an informed discussion, and your opinion has no merit.
How do I build him?
>>93777929I guess "Manifest Dread" is basically just "Manifest 2", kinda. Like how, say, "Surveil 1" and "Surveil 2" are both "Surveil" even if they look at a different number of cards. Or how "Hexproof" and "Hexproof from Black" are both "Hexproof". The "Dread" is just a modifier.
You know, design elements like rooms really has my noggin joggin. edh is just mtg:the board game already, why haven't wizards gone further and tried to capitalize on the current popularity of board games? Betrayal but with their silly rooms and decks for players to use/add to. Lift the enemy ai from Kingdom Death and call it a day.
>>93778509You have the worst takes in the whole thread
>>93778530The most obvious comparison is Amass Orcs.
>>93778511No. No they shouldn't. You are saying that a deck that has access to anywhere from 1/2 to 1/5 as many cards to choose from shouldn't be in a disadvantaged state when that is both retarded and impossible. You can make strong monocolored decks but you will very rarely have anywhere near the cieling of decks that have multiple colors because, especially if they include your color, they can do everything you can but more. And that's how it should be. The advantage you have is you can run only basics and not worry about it. That's about it. Also not having to worry about not having the right color of mana fixing.>>93778524>NOOOOOOO IM NOT WRONG YOU JUST CANT UNDERSTAND HOW HECKIN ARTICULATE I AM!!! You are not as smart as you think you are
>>93778528Protection voltron
>>93778540>why haven't wizards gone further and tried to capitalize on the current popularity of board games?You mean like the March of the Machine decks having Planechase components and the Duskmourn decks having Archenemy components?
>>93778528
>>93777348I only ever build decks just for the silly, but I've really been getting the itch to do something fucky with massacre girl
>>93778543I had a feeling there was a better comparison, but my mind was drawing a blank on it.
>>93778547You didnt even reply to my original post, derp-kun, and instead chose to post like a jackass against elaborate self-made strawmen. It's painfully obvious that you dont know what you're talking about, and if these are your opinions in earnest you'd be better served keeping them to yourself.
>>93777348Captain rex nebula
how do you deal with players who play 8+ counterspells?
>>93778584>crying while not actually addressing anything I said KWAB
>>93778596play 9 spells
>>93778596It's simple:>figure out when they have a counter in hand>determine if they have the resources to use it>play out something to make them expend their resource>resolve the second thing that you wanted in the first place
>>93778620>figure out when they have a counter in handSounds like you're relying on them having poor deckbuilding. A properly built deck always has its answers in hand.
>>93778547I'm sorry you're so retarded you think cracking a fetch is something that takes brain power.
>>93778640>A properly built deck always has its answers in hand.anon...
>>93778640No.
>>93778548>>93778570Hmm yes
>>93778640>They always have it
>>93777374Stay valid, sister.
>>93778640There is only one "free" counter that hits everything whenever you want, and it has the drawback of pay 3UU or lose the game. The rest all require resources to use, or are limited in what they can answer. It doesnt matter how many counters they have if they dont have the resources to use any of them.
>>93778547I gotta say you're a master at farming (you)s
>>93777518Even Blind Seer?
>>93778691Dont samefag, it's unbecoming.
>>93778697????
>>93778641Not what I said at all but please keep coping. It's simple math. Why would monocolored decks not be instantly disadvantaged against multicolor because of the card pool difference. It's like being surprised if a modern deck was better than a standard deck or a Legacy deck is better than a modern deck. You have more good shit to choose from. It's not hard to get. Here's also what people aren't getting.If you build a monocolored deck for $100 and someone runs a 5 colored deck for $100. There's a good chance the monocolored deck would be better a lot of the time because at that level the disadvantages are actually present in an average game. However what people don't get is usually if someone is running 5 colors it's because they have the money to run any shit they fucking want and bypass that issue. What you're not getting here is that even if the budget player and the rich player both played monocolor and the same color, guess what? The rich player would still fucking wipe because he can afford all the best cards from the cardpool and the budget player can't. No shit when you apply that to literally every card ever made are 5 coler decks going to be hard to fucking beat.And the biggest point is even if you let every color remove every type of card on the game that won't change anything because all that removal you gave blue? The rich guy running a 5 colored deck gets to play all of it, plus all of the new removal you gave to every other color. It makes no difference
is he still viable with all the power creep or should I just make darreti or feldon or something?
>>93777441>aminatou without seb mckinnonGrim.
>>93778596An answer for every color.
>>93778711Just make him anyway
>>93778620>>figure out when they have a counter in handHow do you do this? Especially if you have never played against them before and dont know their deck when cards like fierce guardianship exist?
>>93778709>I WANT MY 5 COLOR VALUE PILE TO BE BETTER! I WANNA! I WANNA! I WANNA!
>Black: kills creatures, sort of kills enchantments>Red: can burn creatures and destroy artifacts and lands>Blue: can't really deal with anything but can counter everything on the stack>Green: can remove artifacts, enchantments, lands fights creatures >White: best creature removal, best enchantment and artifact removal, several "nonland permanent removal"How the fuck is this breakdown fair? I can't believe I once thought black had the best removal
>>93777566So this guy can have a gun but the wild west set can't? Christ.>>93777832Because Enchantments clearly needed to be worse.
>>93778725Where the fuck did I say that i want 5 colors to be better? I'm saying it objectively is better and you wanting every color to be able to do everything won't make it better it'll make it worse because 5 color can run all of those fucking cards you're giving to each color you mongaloid
>>93778728Because creatures are really common and black kills them really well
>>93778596Counterspell? What counterspell?
>>93778762White got the Ocelot, red Ragavan، what blue and black have for the one drop.
>>93778728Black can force you to also play aristocrat with him.
>>93778780Blue is still DelverBlack's is Thoughtseize or Fatal Push on the other 1drops.
YAWGED
Why does my deck suck? https://archidekt.com/decks/9031918/rogjeska_cannon
>>93777348Built a Gylwain, Casting Couch Director deck to put the hottest cards in there. It's the only deck I can get away with running Seeker of skybreak and pic related in.
>>93778721It's pretty easy. The simplest way is to hit them with the ol' gitprobe or thoughtsieze. But other than that, let's start with determining if they have a nonfree counter up. Passing the turn with UU open is the classic "I have a counterspell" sign, especially if they're otherwise playing out things on curve. You can test the waters against shittier opponents by playing a lower impact card first to see if it resolves. If you determine they dont have a counter, observe how their play changes in response to their draws, just like in poker. If they cantripped a bunch, you might need to test out their hand again because there is a higher likelihood they saw a counter and kept it with additional looks. The other option is to tap/destroy their blue mana. This is where stax is excellent, if you make their spells cost 3 with trinisphere you dont need to worry about a counter if they only have 2 mana open. Likewise if they tapped out of blue, they dont have any mana for a counter and you can resolve your spells. Force them to play faster than they want or spend more mana than they want and they wont be able to trade 1 for 1 as easily. If you're in a meta with free counters, only force can hit creatures, but they still require a blue card in their hand. So, logically, if they only have one blue card in hand and it's force, they cant play it. Steming from that, if they're tapped out and you play two creatures, they can only counter one for free unconditionally, so stack it in your favor. With noncreature spells that opens up force of negation, but that also requires a card in hand or 3 mana, so if they're tapped out with 3 cards in hand, you're only getting hit with one counter tops. Fierce guardianship relies on them having their commander out, so it's heavily telegraphed. If you know they have it, dont let their commander resolve and you wont have to worry about it. Now daze and pact of negation will get you, because both are exceedingly rare, but thems the breaks.
But which color has the hottest girls?
>>93778709>>93778742Blah blah blah, no body cares. There are top end format defining monocolour decks that race people instead of relying on removal and win frequently in spite of their disadvantages. But thats not healthy for the format, so different solutions that dont break other formats are required for lower power players.
>>93778839make sure to have disciple of grace
>>93778851Green has most of the hot elf chicks and white has hot angel/human chicks.Black and red sometimes get hot vampires, but not as many, and blue has what? Merfolk? Blue is the least hot because they are nerds.
>>93778874hottest vampire isn't even black
>>93778851white
>>93778596I convince the whole table to throw all their creature damage at them. It usually works because the table starts getting angry when their shit gets countered once. Then I don't have to do anything for the rest of the night because the nerd with the counter spells is going to be punched out first every time.
>>93778864>>93778885Beep beep, best girl coming through.
>>93778880>Black and red sometimes get hot vampires>red sometimes get hot vampires >hottest vampire isn't even black????
>>93778874Blue has Sphinx ambassador? or I guess Master transmuter
>>93778839https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/every-13-year-old-boys-dream-list/here's a good list of cards for ya
>>93778888quads for monsterfuckers
>>93778851Nissa is the hottest planeswalker so green.
>>93778851Red and it is not even close>Lathliss>Lozhan>Ganax>Stet>Intet>Miirym>Niv-Mizzet>Nicol Bolas>Prismari>FirkaagIt's honestly not even fair for other colors. Red gets like 5 hot girls for every 1 the other colors get.
>>93778851White for all the kitty titties (female & femboy)
>>93778711Just make Daretti, he is fun and he isnt super powerful but you can make him go really really fast if you drop money high powered artifacts and stax pieces
>>93778915I'm pretty sure half that list would torture you to death for calling them female.
>He plays a partner commander
>>93778976>his commander has a background
>>93778976Leave my boi Pako alone from this.
>>93778976>his commander is an MDFC
>>93778976>His commander is a Planeswalker
How come autists arent complaining about card prices anymore?Did Wizards finally cave in and start turbo printing shit to fuck the prices because poors dont like feeling bad when they get shit on by someone who probably only spent 200$ on a deck?
>>93777384>another draw hate/wheel combo cardOh man my shitty tier 2 Tymna Kraum cedh wheels deck is gonna love this.
Guy in lgs, buys 1 box every set he likes. Builds decks only from the cards he pulls. His decks ooze with soul. I feel like buying singles has given me brainrot.
>>93779062I looked at the price of a cedh deck for a commander I thought I would build up to as my #1 deck in the future and once I saw it started with a $3, I closed the tabFuck Wizards for never reprinting functional OG duals and fast mana cards like mana crypt/vault into the ground
is he still viable in 2024?
>>93779088Verily.
>>93779088totally
Duskmourn makes me want a RLM card.
The new Kaito is fucking wild. Too bad he's going to cost a shitload.
>>93778976>His commander avoids commander tax
>>93779087You're retarded
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>93778976There is literally nothing wrong with "Partner With" commanders
Is blink a fun archetype?
>>93779160why
>>93778068Zimone is clearly a lot better. You should play Vannifar in the 99 though.
>>93779191For you, yes. For everyone else, no.
Marvo guy from last thread. I realized after playing it that the correct move is to always mulligan for rituals to cast Marvo as early as possible and tutor Peer into the Abyss or Bolas's Citadel to the top on a Marvo trigger, then immediately win the game off casting it for free. I cut Peer into the Abyss, Bolas's Citadel and the Hoarding Broodlord combo line because they make the deck too linear and I'm a bit happier with it now that it feels more situational what I tutor to the top.
>>93779087I have no idea why people complain about og dual landsThey maybe increase the winrate of a deck by like 1%, they are extremely negligible and basically just deck blingFetch lands have more of an impact of the deck than og duals
>>93779239It's because their price is so grossly disproportionate to how much your deck improves by having them. Yeah, having a set of OG duals in your color improves shit by a tiny bit, but a 3 figure pricetag for such a small increase is absurd.
>>93779236Wise choice. You can run tutors OR combos, not both. If you run both, your deck becomes too linear and not fun. Mind reposting your deck list? Preferably on Moxfield this time.
>>93777566>>93777449I still don't understand why the face Commanders this time are all characters that already have cards in the main set.
>>93779262seems like it solves itself then
>>93779262>It's because their price is so grossly disproportionate to how much your deck improves by having them. Yeah, having a set of OG duals in your color improves shit by a tiny bit, but a 3 figure pricetag for such a small increase is absurd.Yeah thats what im saying, so why do people complain about it endlessly, its like its not that good, just dont buy itlolPeople actually get deranged and go full commie autism over dual land prices its the most autistic shit I have ever seen in my entire life
>>93779191As long as you don't combine it with lots of counterspells and stax, yes.
is there a format where you can only play cards with a maximum word count. i fucking hate having to read an encyclopedia's worth of shit on someone's board.
>>93779303Vintage
>>93779292Some people just don't get that is the issue. They just see the egregious price tag and assume "They must be absurdly broken" when in reality... They're kinda tame as far as lands go these days. It's just stupid greed that keeps them from being accessible to players, and that's what annoys ME about them. Though I won't chide anyone for running duals. Off color fetches annoy me more to be quite honest.
>>93779312yeah here's your vintage bro
>>93779303No, but it would be an interesting concept. Either that or a character count.Call it "Frazzled Editer">>93779312Not anymore
>>93779312
>>93779322standard commander rules, but you loose 2 life if you cast a card with reminder text, and 3 life for every 5 words on a cardflavor text aside
>>93778245I agree, Anons dunking on you are being overly optimistic and don't realize there aren't enough uses. It might matter in 60 card where you can run 4 of them and 4 of each payoff, but in EDH only having 5-10 cards to synergize with means you aren't likely to see it in games. The payoffs themselves are pretty mild when you consider that because the land enters tapped, its like you spent 1 mana to do that payoff, and that's after having spent the mana to land the trigger generator in the first place.People will see Eidolon of Blossoms and think "oh sweet, draw a free card", when really its "after you've cast a 4 cost card, pay 1 to draw 1 card". There will certainly be decks that run it, but entering tapped is a huge opportunity cost, it only makes one type of mana, and as you've said enchantments don't have the sacrifice payoffs that artifacts do, and they have far fewer "count number" payoffs too. Its nowhere near as good as the artifact lands.
>>93779312>>93779320>>93779325Actually, looking back, vintage is the worst for "Max wordcount" format, since SO MANY old cards had really jank wording that was way too long to explain a simple effect, or have simple effects that end up being really fucking wordy in the parlance of modern magic.
>>93779336Ditch the reminder text rule, since there's printings of the same card that have and lack reminder text. And also strictly speaking reminder text doesn't count as text on a card for game purposes (Thanks Extort)
>>93779339yeah precisely but at least what they were saying was simple. now cards have a million different abilities / triggers / effects in addition to essay worth of word count.. just imagine if they still used to the old jank wordage to explain current cards
>>93779293What about ETB removal effects?
>>93779303Finally someone says it. It's getting ridiculous. Some asshole finishes his turn and now his board consists of-several planeswalkers with 3 three active abilities and one passive ability each-some enchantments and artifacts that trigger every single time anyone does anything-Some new legendary creatures, with several keywords and multiple abilitiesPeople constantly miss triggers or lines of play, because each card does three different things. Cards don't even have space for flavor text anymore.
>>93779349It'd be very bad for some, but also potentially help out others a lot since, again, simple effects getting bloated due to the parlance of modern magic.
>>93779355>It'd be very bad for someWho?
>>93779353experiencing exactly this right now i mean look at this shit
>>93779359This times four for every player, plus whatever they could get back from their graveyard. It's just bad design. Complexity is something you actively have to keep in check when designing a game. If you watch people playing with older sets, the cards are way simpler but the gameplay is not. Just like in chess, where the pieces can only do simple moves, the complexity should arise from the interaction between the pieces not from the pieces themselves.
>>93777503He also wasn't black, he was a fucking caveman/neanderthal. Now he's just a modern afro-american.
>>93779412hard agree
>>93779421... So they changed nothing?
>>93779430I guess not...
What are some fun cards I should pick up for the new demon nigga precon?
>>93779441He'll have a good overlap with rakdos lord of riots for certain.
Are these fun to play?
>>93779441Reckless Assault, Maddening Hex, Ankh of Mishra, Havoc Festival, Rain of Gore, Haunting Wind
>>93779441You get to keep the cards and steroids, they have to pay the rent.
>>93777430>>93777441>>93777449
How do you win with commanders like this or Queen Marchesa?My brain is too little to understand how you win with decks where the commander doesnt have a combo or win conditionDo you just control and grind someone out with fat creatures or some shit?
>>93777430every vaguely brown skinned person in mtg gets replaced by a literal african american eventually
>>93779514He gives you free cards every turn and helps set up your draws. Surely you can figure out how to make that work for you.
>>93779514That one is a valuenigger commander. Essentially, rather than having a solid game plan, you just attempt to crush everyone through sheer value alone, though you can also have combos
>>93779514you're playing sultai, just durdle around until you set up a thassa's oracle or deadeye navigator comboor make a big board and cast craterhoofor make a bunch of mana with cabal coffers and cast a big torment of hailfire
>>93779542Why Torment and not Exsanguinate?
>>93779514Generally, the plan with these types of commanders is to generate consistent value and fly under the radar until you can go for a win. You never want to be the biggest threat of the table, but instead creep into a more advantageous position, and by the time everyone realizes that you've been effectively drawing two extra cards per turn since the start of the game, it's too late. As a Marchesa enjoyer, you generally create consistent but not ostentatious card advantage through monarch, and then paint targets on other players' backs by letting them have the crown for a bit. You're in colors that are really good at playing it safe and controlling the board, so you can use monarch as a bargaining chip similar to "if you swing for 1, I'll let you have it". Your extra draws, and time other players spend beating on each other, should snowball into enough resources to empty the board whenever you want and then win in whatever way you like. Marchesa is often played with plenty of aikido and goad effects, I personally played plenty of tax and group slug effects supported by pillowfort and lifegain. I'd sit pretty safely behind my protections, always have spot removal and a wipe on hand to deal with someone getting uppity, and while my tax effects bled everyone dry, I could eventually just mop up the scraps. Win rate wasn't outrageous, especially once people got wise to my strategy, but the deck sat at a pretty nice ~40%.
>>93779516Only racists grasp the diversity of African phenotypes
>>93779554...are you serious? torment is way more value
>>93779554if your opponents are light on permanents and cards (which they should be if you're playing control) then torment will do will do a lot more damage
Daring today aren't we
>>93779514This is how every commander should be, imho - a fucker that gives you some kind of value but leaves the actual gameplay and structure of your deck very open.In case of this lil' nigga you get a chance to play your card quicker and filter your cards into the grave. Bonus for Surveil working in tandem with the first effect. And it has Deathtouch as deterrent against battle oriented removal. And the colors are exactly ones that let you dip harder into all of these directions.So tl;dr - Play this nigga with all kinds of graveyard matters shit and big spells and add all kind of draw, ramp and removal you want because your colors are pretty much the best for it.
>>93779607oh yeah it's time to cook
>>93779607>>93779624going to build this deck with Krark and Vial Smasher
>>93779554Exsanguinate = mana spentTorment of Hailfire = 3x mana spent - (nonland permanents + cards in hand)On an empty handless board Torment is three times as efficient for doming players. On a cluttered board Torment acts as a one sided wipe that paves the way for victory. Decks that want one will often want both, and running both means you can cast one for value earlier and the other has an easier time finishing. For pure "winning the game" Torment is a better card unless you have a great reason to need life (like using it for some reason with your commander), but in a small Exsanguinate can buy space and turns in a way that a small Torment can't.
>>93779472You tell us
>>93779645https://moxfield.com/decks/vTtNC-JhTkO1I8enjFS4Zwthis is as far as I've gotten, anything I'm really obviously missing aside for the "theme"
>>93779352Sounds fair to me, if you have 3 opponents and none of them can deal with you that's on them.
>>93779472Syrix is pretty fun and has some neat cards to abuse it with like Tortured Existence, but it felt like it was being pulled in two directions as you also wanted to stack power on it so you'd have bigger pings. I can highly recommend running the 5 or so good Duress cards to shore up weakness against combo and stack police retards. As with every flying commander, you'll oftentimes only have to remove 1 single flying blocker to get swings in, so voltron is very effective and works with the trigger anyways. 7 is the magic number of power for 3 swings to kill, after that you have to get 11 for 2 swings so I recommend trying to find cards that can give 4 or more power consistently, as the first one moves the bird from a 7 turn clock to 3 turn clock, and if you get another it bumps it to 2 turn clock.
Post IRL decks
>>93779738
Love the art and this is the first time ever I want to build a Rakdos deck.But the Precon Valgavoth is pretty bad, isn't it?
>>93779744
>>93779761>Haha! The Ward means he gets bigger if you target him!>I'm not blue, white, or green, so if you target him I can't protect himAt least he replaces himself, but this is EXTREMELY underwhelming for a demon who controls an entire plane of existence.
>>93779744I want to build a marrow gnawer deck but he seems like just a worse krenko. Is he fun, bro?
>>93779744>Uses sleeves for his rat deckAnon... rat decks don't use sleeves
>>93779785well take my type of enjoyment with a grain of salt, if I win 1/10 games with this I am happy, but it's actually been a bit more consistent than that. Have packrat and Gnawer out, Thrumming stone out say...20 relentless rats, draw 20 cards from vanquisher's banner, get 21 more rats from Marrow gnawer, clone your packrat, play your disciple of bolas to gain 42 life and draw 42 cards by sacking packrat clone, ect
>>93779317Literally how they are untapped duals that can provide serious color fixing and can be searched by anything that says their land type. How is that WORSE than playing tapped duals and shocks???If I'm in 3 color and I'm not getting my 3rd color out on time I'm fucked and that tapped dual is not going to help me unless it's a shock.
>>93779744Very based>>93779761I really like both Valgavoth cards, and I intend to at least put this one into my Nekusar deck.>>93779738
>NOOOOOOO!!! You need to heckin end the game with your mono red copy deck!!! you WILL pay for terror of the sharts and ancient sharting dragon!!No. I want them to suffer.
>>93779859harbinger kills your snow covered btw
>>93779927Basic Snow means it's basic so no it doesnt
>>93779927No, snow lands are basic lands
>>93779859>Icehide Golem>Rimefeather Owl>Storm Elemental>Marit Lage's Slumber>Arcum's Astrolabe>Snow-Covered landsliterally why
>>93779859who would ever use this? you have Mystic Forge, Reality Chip, and Crystal Skull
>>93779959Because it looks fucking rad
>>93779889>going right into my Orthion pileThanks anon
>>93779949>>93779959Faggots gonna fag
>>93779927It does not, thankfully>>93779949So I've been trying to find an excuse to use some cool snow shit for a long time and I finally decided that one of my few good decks might as well make a few slots for them.>Icehide Golem1 drop 2/2 Artifact creature>Rimefeather OwlThis one is mostly a meme but I love the idea of making Urza snow so all of my artifact tapping produces snow mana>Marit Lage's Slumberwith Rimefeather or just land drops it gives me a pretty big payoff if the game stalls, and on top of that Scry 1 isn't too bad as a bonus on lands>Arcum's AstrolabeI don't need the filter, but a 1 drop that draws a card and is an artifact isn't so bad. Easy to feed to Reshape, or just use with Urza as a mana rock>Snow-Covered Landsall of the above>>93779959>Storm ElementalSo sometimes my deck can stall when the wrong card is on top, and Mystic Forge only lets me rid myself of my topdeck once per untap. I figure it's both a shitty old card no one thinks about AND a card that can give me a surprising amount of card selection off the top with any 'future sight' type ability. oh and what >>93779963said, the art is rad
>>93779761Looks pretty good to me.>>93779782You're forgetting all of Black's one mana "if you kill this creature, bring it back" spells.
>>93779127avoiding taxes is based
>>93779236>>93779263https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6607908I still can't remember my Moxfield password, but here's my updated Marvo list.
>>93780017He doesn't keep the counter if he changes zones
>>93780036This list looks way cooler than the one from last thread. This is a sweet deck for Elder Brain. You might want one or two more lands though.
>>93780036Much better anon. You cut pretty much all the generic Dimir staples except the tutors and counter magic.
>>93780034Not many commanders have that trait too. It's only like 2 really.
>>93780051>>93780059I'm having trouble figuring out what I would cut for lands. It was easier to figure out how much power I could cut after playing him a couple times, because you can cut a lot of power. Marvo is really strong, surprised it doesn't get played more. If you have any kind of top deck tutor and a combo in your deck, you instantly win the game if they don't have counter magic. It was really lame that way though. I'm sure this version is going to be way more fun. I had an epiphany that I needed to play the cards that get value off my opponents' decks to not reduce my deck's hit count to zero, which is why I threw in Elder Brain and Mindleech Mass. I cut out the Nezahal that was suggested because I realized opponents can cast spells to fuck with the top of my deck if it's on board.
>>93780080>Nexus of Fate and Beacon of TomorrowsExtra turns are lame. Worst Fears is kind of an extra turn but it's more fun.>Tidespout Tyrant, Brinelin the Moon Kraken and Hullbreaker HorrorKind of redundant with each other. Brinelin is the worst of them.>SoothsayingThis one should probably just be cut. You need to spend three mana to get the same effect as Sensei's Divining Top. If you're spending five, six, seven or eight mana then you might as well just cast whatever you were trying to cheat from your hand. It probably won't play as well as it seems because of that.>Roaming Throne, Spark Double, and SakashimaClones are kind of lame.>CounterspellsYou have six, which seems like a good number but you could probably live without one.I would cut Brinelin and Soothsaying for lands.
>>93780119>Clones are kind of lameShit taste, don't listen to this guy.
>>93778711Make Phyrexian Slobad and put him in it.
>>93779859>No protection for Urzahow does this deck hold up?
>>93780119Excellent point on Soothsaying, I cut it. I don't think I need to cut Brinelin though. 35 lands + 10 mana rocks seems like enough for this. As long as I can cast Marvo on 4 or 5 then I'm good to go. Hypgeometric calculator says 72% chance of casting him on turn five, which is good enough for me.
>>93780177In the last few weeks of playing this deck, I've never once had Urza targeted or removed. I think the one time someone was gonna kill him was a boardwipe I ended up countering.
>>93777498I think it'a one of those gas masks some dudes in Time Spiral wore
>>93778195Legendary lands play poorly because if you draw multiples it's a dead draw. The Channel lands were able to be Legendary because they have Channel - a way to get around the gameplay issue of legendary lands. It is that simple.
>>93778851It’s just this card.It was so hot WoTC had to reprint it with different art, even though no one plays it.
>>93779210I think zimone is better because she can flip the permanents herself, right?
>>93780374Yup, with Vannifar you have to rely on either paying the mana value to flip them up or blink effects. Vannifar does give you more selection on what you can cloak though (any card in your hand), while Zimone can only manifest one of the top 2 cards in your library.
>>93779761It's boring maybe but he's definitely not bad. This is a very easy card advantage engine
>>93780387Yeah it's definitely a tradeoff but I'm leaning towards zimone at the moment. Either way I'm happy that this "archetype" is getting more support, probably most of the deck would be good for either commander.The thing i worry about it being able to consistently drop two lands but I guess that's not as much of a worry in simic right? ( I rarely play simic)
>>93780411The easiest way to get two land drops in a turn is to use fetch lands, Fabled Passage, and the like. And plenty of ramp spells that like you say are no concern in Simic like Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Farseek, Nature's Lore, Growth Spiral, etc.
>>93780424That's smart, I didn't consider that the fetch lands would trigger this
>>93779352ETB removal is fair magic.
>>93779239They and fetches make deckbuilding for multicolour too easy It would be 100% fair if a 5 colour deck always plays 1 turn behind a multicolour deck
When are the weeb foil prices coming down, bros?I will NOT pay $300 for a Chatterfang card.
>>93779761This is literally just shittier ob nixilis
>>93780551It's a better ob nix
>>93780119Don't listen to this guy. He's not trying to help you (all the "lames") he's trying to direct how you play the game
>>93780559It can only trigger once a turn and it fills up your hand instead of your untouchable exile zone. It is not better. And the ward is largely irrelevant in commander so the only thing it has up on obby isn't even handy
>>93780584>untouchable exile zoneAm I the only one that would rather have real card draw vs impulse draw?
>>93777384This will unironically see legacy play
>>93777384This will ironically see legacy play
>>93777661>3 mana conditional lightning bolt variant>"bonkers"
>>93779276Means they have to have less characters, I guess.
>>93779761They literally gave him laser eyes kek
>>93779761>But the Precon Valgavoth is pretty bad, isn't it?No, it's very good actually
>>93780584>And the ward is largely irrelevant in commanderThe ward gives you a card that could save him at best or replaces himself at the worstSeems pretty damn good to me, not sure wether it's better than ob nix but this is absolutely not bad
>>93780630Since when has that been a concern? Thunder Junction and Bloomburrow each had dozens of legends.
>>93780411There are a lot of ways to get 2 lands a turn. 4cmc spells like Skyshroud Claim, Explosive Vegetation, etc work for her, and they've been printing new variants every so often as early as Thunder Junction (searches for basics or deserts).I like Zimone for this reason because, for as much landfall gets memed on, ramping is still important to the gameplan for popping out creatures in your hand/keeping mana open for tricks, morph or not.
>>93780793Yeah those are definitely all good points I've never played a landfall deck before and I guess maybe this is silly but when I look at landfall cards there's part of me that thinks "well damn what if I don't have a land enter this turn? " I think about how there are a finite number of lands in the deck and you can only trigger it a finite number of times.. .But really that's a foolish way to look at it isn't it? Because you can build your deck where you drop at least one land per turn if not more and realistically games don't go on long enough for every single land in your deck to see play anyways.Am I stupid for thinking about it this way? I'm just new to this sort of strategy
>>93779472Otharri is good but very one-dimensional. If you want a fast aggressive deck, its one of the better Boros choices but don't expect to be clever with it outside of protection spells.
>>93780742I think the difference is that Duskmourn isn't meant to be a sprawling world with tons of characters, it's a horrible place inhabited by monsters and people who don't want to be there, and either find a way to escape or die horribly quite soon.
>>93779785>worseHe sacrifices as part of his effect in mono-black, you can also run things like blood artist/zulaport cutthroat to make board wipes painfulI don't use thrummingstone because having 20+ relentless rats doesn't feel fun and theres a lot of neat utility rats.The new squirrel that makes people lose life equal to rats+squirrels on attack is neat.
What else goes in here? Precon upgrade + commander swap.>https://www.moxfield.com/decks/OOnAqkADNUOTmfE4a79rlA
>>93779785I don't think he's worse but there are trade-offs. Part of what makes krenko so scary is haste, but marrow gnawer gives fearLike other anons say you can also take advantage of the sacrifice and etc. black typically has better card advantage than mono red tooSo no I wouldn't say worse, just different
>>93780813The thing with Landfall is that it benefits you for doing the basic goal of the game: gather resources so you can play the game. Zimone wont give you value like Tatyova or Aesi, far from it. Those two are the way they are because it combines real draw so they have an easier time holding counter magic. Think of your ramp spells in Zimone as your actual Morph/flip costs that turn mana positive since you gain mana over time. Seldom will it generate card advantage, but you and I both know we have ways to get that by other means.
stop removing my commander guys, like seriously, it's not funny anymore
>>93780851Maybe if you stopped playing Korvold for the 6th time this month Kyle you dumb fuck
>>93780863fuck you I tap for 9 mana it's Korvold time
>>93780851I've learned that sometimes it's best not to bring out your commander as soon as possible if it's clear somebody could remove it. If you build your deck well enough, you should be able to do other things as you stall and wait for your opponents to use their removal/negate on other things and view other players as "the threat".For example, instead of bringing out Hakbal as soon as I have 4 mana, I'll ramp more and/or bring out more Merfolk, then bring out Hakbal a few turns later and get a bunch of Explore triggers, with some Mana open for protection.
>>93779607soulful
>>93777384Sheoldred at home
>>93780974No, Fate Unraveler is Sheoldred at home. Razorkin is actually good.
>>93778729The funniest part is that he never uses his gun (or hammer) in the story. His other card shows him with a fancy dagger, this has a gun and a hammer, but in the story he exclusively uses a slingshot. It's almost as if there was no art direction and no communication between artists and writers.>>93780823>>93780742Considering that it's supposed to be a horror plane with people struggling to survive, it does take away from the immersion that there's only a single actual survivor, and everyone else is an overpowered god who's blitzing their way through everything without any real trouble. It feels less like a horror, and more like an NG+ run where you effortlessly one-shot all the monsters that used to give you trouble.
>>93780699The ward only gives you a card if they cast removal on it during their own turn. Unless they're only running sorcery speed removal, it doesn't matter.
Is it worth it to pickup the jeskai fallout precon if I want to build liberty prime? or am I better off starting from scratch?
>sit down for game>guy is on elfball>wipe his board after he assembles 10+ elves>he gets annoyed>assembles 10+ elves again>plays coat of arms>blow up his board>blow up his coat of arms>immediately scoops and says playing boardwipes is bullshit, and that he only ever plays "wincon boardwipes" because otherwise it just slows the game downIt's always alarming discovering a Redditor out in the wild.
ABSAlwaysBuySinglesABS
>>93781265Sorry about the typo and thanks.
You know, for a setting that’s based on contemporary American horror, there sure is alotta yokai vibes going on Literal manifestation of concepts and human emotions? Are we sure this isn’t Kamigawa?
>>93781274I'm still sick as hell. It was funny though. Usually it takes forever to delete. I was hoping nobody caught it. But for real only buy singles. You'll end up ditching most of the cards in the precon and waste like $20 for no reason.
>>93778411why are you running Rocks in Green? any synergies?otherwise sol ring, Crypto, arcane Signet, Signet Lands, and 1mana dorks Like fyndhorn/lanowar elf, any dork that synergises with your Deck Like Evolution sage If you Play +1/+1 counters. ehat Deck do you Play?
>>93778411Post list. Talismans are some of the best 2 drop rocks there are. Are you wanting more at that cmc? Please provide more context.
I can't decide if this is a good card or not. I got 2 foil copies from a Bloomburrow bundle and I don't know if I should slot them into my decks.
>>93781386If all your creatures share a creature type it's basically an Arcane Signet with a 1-mana anthem effect stapled on.
>>93779790h-hot
>>93781407If it cost 2 instead of 3 I would know it was good and auto-include. The extra mana it costs makes me hesitate. Expensive rock.
I want to build this but I'm not too sure on what to include. I was thinking a Shirei Apostle deck with him as the secret commander, but I'm not sure how many apostle to run. I also need some draw spells besides arena to help get things on board. Any advice?
>>93780675How so? The ward is useless except when people try to remove him on their turn. Also doesn't get big fast enough to be really scary via combat damage
>>93781439shouldn't this say card you "own"? I was under the assumption you don't control cards that are not on the field or stack
>>93781476I believe its worded that way so you can't re-exile something you already casted
>>93781420If it was 2 mana it would completely invalidate Arcane Signet. 3 mana is expensive for a manarock, but in this case if you have enough creatures that benefit from the effect you basically get a good effect for 1 mana on top of getting an extra Signet.
>>93781492ah right you are. the part that specifies opponent's grave also makes it so none of your cards get affected altho you don't necessarily control them
>>93779761I'm sorry Kaervek, but it's finally time I put you out to pasture. Even if you were one of the first decks I've built and one of the longest I've kept built, 7CMC just doesn't cut it these days.
>5 lands but I can keep it, I'll just wheel>wheel on t3>draw 6 lands
Are you ready to get absolutely booty blasted by Danzig with no muscles? My prediction: 3 months before it gets banned.
>>93781610This is mid AF why would this ever get banned
>>93781448Do we live in a world now where ward and 3 cards a turn is bad?
>>93779115>Wheel of the Worst>3RR>Sorcery>Each player discards their hand and reveals top 7 of library>Then each player votes for a player>Whoever has the most votes or is tied for most mills 7, then each player draws 7
>>93781662I feel like this would have to have blue or black and not just red? I dunno how much mill or "reveal" red has. I do like it though
>>93781626>he doesnt knowHave you ever played goyf? How many card types are there anon?
>>93779115I wish they were still cool
>>93781677Yeah instead should be everyone draws and voted player discards then redraws to be firmly in red
>>93781682Winter folds to graveyard hate, which is ideally in every deck but more than that he folds to reliquary tower and thought vessel which almost certainly every deck has at least one if not both. I'm just not seeing it being oppressive at all.
>>93781610Like the RC ever fucking bans anything. Except inoffensive cards with multiple similar cards, but this specific one blew them out once, so on the banlist it goes.
>>93781704Just wait, there are going to be giant walls of text written about this guy. He's not a top end cedh commander, but the lock is cheap and incredibly easy to set up with minimal effort.>>93781701You mean to tell me there are two cards to get you out of one of the hardest locks this side of stasis, against the colours with the best artifact and land removal as well as the best tutors in the format? Say it aint so.
>>93781386You can’t be that new. It’s an auto-include in absolutely all tribal decks. Bonus if you’re running a fairly weak tribal like faeries
>>93781726Better than a talisman?
>>93781722Graveyard decks are already considered kind of bad, barring extremely fast reanimator decks, because graveyard hate is so accessible and widely played. And it sure as fuck doesn't help that Winter has a fairly long road to rebuilding if his stocked yard is wiped even once.
>>93781682>>93781610Call me a brainlet, but why would you play these two cards together?
>>93781722First off there's more than two cards, there's actually more than I can list. But you don't think it's significant that the cards that shut him down are played in nearly every single deck that's created?
>>93781735It's not better than a talisman on turn two but it's better on every other turn
>>93781701I think reliquary tower vs winter comes down to timestamps, especially because can't usually beats can
>>93781780I don't think it does actually because reliquary tower removes your maximum hand size, giving you a functionally infinite hand size and winter reduces your hand size by 4+So Infinity minus 4 is still Infinity
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>>93781737Yes, but unlike basically every deck that isnt meren, this brooding dumbass is in colours that can answer the hate and dont rely on key cards being in the raveyard. Instant, sorcery, artifact, creature, land, enchantment, and legend; that's all you need. Which ones they are specifically is inconsequential.>>93781748You're entitled to your opinion, but as one of the resident stax experts and an ex-graveyard fag, casuals will not be able to deal with it at all, even with graveyard hate. In cedh he'll be upper mid tier, but in a regular game with some of the cheapest (dollar wise) cards ever printed you can set up a very hard lock and with uba mask you might as well scoop if you dont have hate out.>>93781738Think about it like this:>zero is the maximum number of cards in hand, which means at your end step you discard, and since winter draws you effectively 3 cards per turn rotation it should be an easy problem to solve>uba mask exiles the cards and only lets you play the card you drew for turn, exile your sorcery speed hate on winter's turn? Tough titties, have fun top decking an answer that cant be in your hand more than a single turn
>>93781789"If multiple effects modify your hand size, apply them in timestamp order. For example, if you put Spellbook (an artifact that says you have no maximum hand size) onto the battlefield and then put Recycle onto the battlefield, your maximum hand size will be two. However, if those permanents entered in the opposite order, you would have no maximum hand size. (2009-10-01)"From the rulings of Recycle
>>93781802>legend...is not a card type. But my point still stands. Getting seven types into your yard again, after one of the many incidental graveyard-nukes in the game has popped off, and you've established yourself as a problem? That's a big ask. Jund can answer a lot, but not everything, and especially not against the rest of the table with a scorched earth effect like this.
>>93781701If only Jund was able to remove lands and artifacts.
>>93781820Setting hand size to a fixed number and reducing hand size by some amount isn't the same thing though.
>>93778516Yeah I bought the energy precon cause I needed pretty much everything lmaoI wanted to build Rex Cyber Hound but since I have literally 0 energy cards due to never playing during Kaladesh era I figured it's the best way to scrap something together, and I'll split all the red cards and jeskai with the original Fallout deck since I can't use red in Azorius
>>93781610The RC won't even ban Nadu and they had to clarify they wouldn't when someone had a knee-jerk reaction over Elesh Norn Mother of Machines. Winter IS COMING. and it going to stay.
>>93782266Read Winter again, he doesn't reduce hand size, he sets it.
