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>>93826218>that flavor text
>>93826218>TQI hate all of them equally
>turn 3 nu-arena>turn 4 sheoldred>turn 5 make a demon
>>93826279Text translated via Google, please forgive any inaccuracies.Unholy Chamber2BEnchantment - RoomRareAt the beginning of your end step, draw a card. If you control a Demon, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life. Otherwise, you lose 2 life.//Ceremonial Chamber3BBWhen you unlock this door, create a 6/6 black Demon creature token with flying.
>>93826279turn 4 go for the throat your sheoldredturn 5 go for the throat your demonoops you took 8 damage from your room and now you're dead
>>93826218>Lame name>Lame art>Lame ability >Lame stat block>Lame flavor textThis card doesn't have any redeeming qualities at all. I understand they "need" to make garbage draft chaff, but set space is limited and they chose to fill this slot with actual garbage.
>>93826218>evil spooky mansion world>where the killer clowns talk with current year leftist parlanceThe thing that bothers me most about today's Magic is the tonal shift. I used to have a sense of awe and wonder looking at the art, and the flavor text used to have such varied voices from characters weak and strong. Now it feels as if every card is written from the perspective of a coastal elite teleported into a magical realm last week, where everything is larger than life and insanely epic power fantasy. I don't need flavor text to be "ye olden tongue" but it breaks the verisimilitude when every character sounds like that annoying guy from work.I know current year Magic has a lot bigger problems to focus on, like powercreep, endless prints, and FOMO cards, but I wish the people in charge of Magic would treat it as a serious fantasy world. Why can't people make serious works of expression without hiding behind twenty layers of irony and pop culture?
>>93826351S O U L
L E S S
>>93826218you can bet some faggot in the writing room thought he nailed it with this flavour text>captcha: AGPKP
>>93826459I think it's one person who does all of the flavor text, which is why it's so consistently shit.
I don't know how to cope with the fsct that Thalia is with a man less attractive than me. I bet she loves Halloween. She would love Duskmourn set even though it's 80s ripoff trash. I wish I could keep her safe in Halloween night. My girlfriend and I will probably go to some haunted houses this year so she can cling to me when she is scared. But I still think of Thaksi, when we're standing in those fields at night waiting in line. I will be thinking of Thalia and how she is probably making love with her boyfriend at that moment. At least I've stopped talking to her entirely. So I don't think about her as much.
I honestly like, or at least don't mind, every art in this set. Except the modern looking human characters doing ebin campy things.
>>93826637The monsters and rooms are generally fine, but the TVs, cheerleaders, ghostbusters tech, and clean uniforms repulse me
>>93826296where are you getting 8 from. They would have taken 4 from their own room.
>>93826218>TQNew Kaito babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyI'm gonna make ninjas work in Pioneer I swear to god I just don't have anyone to test the deck with right now
>>93826637I think this might be the highlight piece of the set.
>1 red mana to kill SheoldredWhat the fuck is WOTC doing? Why does Red need to be absolutely without downside? The fact that stabilising against Red is almost a thing of the past is nuts.
>>93826916Just choose the other creature?
>>93826940>>93826916I for one am happy to see any card that shits on Sheoldred
>>938269401cmc lava axe+ is dumb.
>>93826916>>93826940>>93826990That's actually pretty fun design.
We already had 1 mana destroy Sheoldred at home.
>>93826245The classic "going one line too long" problem.
>>93826664I wouldn't say they repulse me, they just seem at odds with the world as presented to us in lore and whatnot. The cheerleader is the only one that really breaks me on that front, though. The rest I could at least SEE being long-term survivors.
>>93826351Is this bait? Am I biting and yelling about UB again? The whole game is a literal commercial now
How the fuck is this man ending up flying?
Also a 2 mana 3/2 multi-type with upside in Red. Probably sucks, still.
>>93827083Horrible art / flavour for Magic, but this card has some potential.
>>93827091Flavorful but not greatMaybe in a sacrifice deck of some kind but idk
>>93827083There isn't an answer because this is genuinely reused art from some shelved ghostbusters side product used for a Duskmourn card
>>93826218enters what? my ass? now that's wicked, bro
>>93827083...wait, you can target opponent's creatures with the second ability?
>>93826218It's da jokah baby
>>93827083He must've gotten tech from the Benefactors.
>>93827158I think the Ghostbuster x Haunted Manor got mixed like the Arthurian legend x Fairy tales in Eldraine, you're right.>we couldn't go deep enough with the ghostbusters>We couldn't do le ebin 80s references in a proper Haunted Mansion>Since they both happened to share a "time frame", we blended them into purée and we're proud of the result :^)Duskmourne gets a lot more marketing than Bloomburrow or is it just me?
>>93827167Yes. Why WOULD you, is another question, but yes. Lets you move stun/finality/-1 counters around I guess.Actually, wait, can't move finality counters, because they don't die if they have those, right?
>>93827202>we blended them into purée and we're proud of the result :^)The trailer was literally this as well, 3 completely different vibes with camp 80's horror, The Ring and Nashi quipping around flickering back and forth between just mashed all together. It's jarring in a way most others sets aren't. I can't say I've noticed anything marketing wise though.
>>93827083I will say it again: Survivors, every single one of them, are shit. Duskmourn 2 should get rid of all the fucking survivors.
>>93827083What the fuck is that art? Why even separate UB from standard at this point? I hope all these "new players" will be buying my cards.
I miss Wilds of Eldraine, now that was a good set... Beanstalk, Beseech the Mirror, Soul Caldron... yeap, they just don't do it like that no more
>>93827235Yeah, Valgavoth's ultimate horror was 80's fashion.
>>93827218You can move finality counters around and nothing happens. I did it with nesting grounds on an opponent's creature (it got exiled when it died)
I’m offended they jacked the Living Dead font for this slop
>>93826998It’s not 1cmc lava axe. You can’t use it unless your opponent has two creatures you can target, and worst case scenario they ditch the one they need the least.
>>93826245>>93827065>If there's anything a werewolf hates, it's a collar—especially Avacyn's Collar, the symbol of her church.
>>93827265tsmt
>>93827091>BoarThey really should errata them to be Pigs.
>>93827202>Duskmourne gets a lot more marketing than Bloomburrow or is it just me?Bloomburrow got a great animation, but I think its popularity actually surprised Wizards. Conversely, they thought everyone would be behind Duskmourn, only to be shocked when the initial reaction was, "Huh?" So they doubled down on promoting and explaining it.
>>93827273No, because the trigger for Role Model is them dying, and things with finality counters are exiled instead of dying.
>>93827370No, they were pretty clearly aware of the hype for Bloomburrow, so they deliberately toned down the marketing because it was ALREADY really popular. Duskmourn they felt needed an extra push.
>>93827235I don't have a problem with Popular Egotist or Cynical Loner. Unsurprisingly black cards fit more easily into the tone of Duskmourn.
standard sets are at their best when an uncommon becomes a staple across all 4 eternal formats
>>93826916>>93826990>1 mana to deal 5 damage to a mosswood dreadknight.If your opponent ever sacrifices a Sheoldred to this, you're almost certainly losing to the stronger thing they chose to keep around.
>>93827083how does the last ability interacts with cards that already put their counters on another creature when they die? do you get double the counters?
>>93827576Yes. Moving counters isn't actually moving them, it's removing them and then putting the same amount on something. Same reason nesting grounds with scales increases the number of counters.
>no Exsanguinate reprintCome on WotC, I need a big mana finisher in Standard for my control decks.
Cool
>>93827235A horror setting needs Survivors. They just needed to have a more fitting aesthetic.
Not so cool
>>93827661This could serve as another Raffine's Informant in Greasefang decks.
Ok
Someone tell me what the reference is here, I'm not a horrorhead
One of the best 3 mana counter spells in Standard in a while. Feel like this might be very good in draft.
>>93827671Obligatory "mana dork with set mechanic", just like the "Cancel with set mechanic".
>>93827417I meant as a general interaction but yeah, in the present case, Finality counters can't move around thanks to Role Model ability, you're right.
Kino
>>93827661Is this a card about fucking harlequinn babies what the fuck?
>>93827700>>93827703Speak of the devil
>>93826218Um excuse me sir, you dont look with your faceYou look with your eyes
>>93827731haha you got it? because it surveils haha
>>93827202I personally feel like its not even a mishmash of horror themes that is wrong, its just that the artwork doesn't go hard enough. Like this >>93827671 is just bad art direction. If its mean to be so horrifying that the roots are digging into his flesh, do an up close shot, show some blood, a expression that is a mix of pain and joy. Not this far off shot where I could just take the artwork, and plaster it over say Elvish Mystic and you would be none the wiser. Like the artwork for that Overgrown Zealot should be more like this.
>>93827783(forgot image)
>>93827771but it's the FEAR of surveillance, if anything it should do something negative when you surveiltalk about a flavor fail!
>>93827813More like it should fateseal 1. (scry but you do it your opponents library.)
>>93827700You could print a card that was just 1UU - you win the game and I probably wouldn't pick it or draft into blue
HOLY SHIT ANOTHER GREEN LEYLINE
>>93827731I like this art.
>>93827850Nigga what?
>>93827850its fucking over
>>93826351i'm still reeling from seeing the word "bestie" being printed on a black-border magic card.if capenna felt like it was breaking down the tone of magic as a universe (or multiverse, whatever you get the point) and MKM's scooby doo bullshit was the final crack before it all shattered, then all this 80's slasher victim shit is kicking a dead horse until it's nothing but a dirty red stain on the ground.
>>93827850no, this is fake, there is no way they would print a t0 mana doubler
>>93827850So basically your ahead of your opponent by 1 or more turns. As if you have 1 in play, you can cast 2 mana spells on turn 1, if you get 2 then you might as well be turn 3. Oh and obligatory:>goes great with leyline of the guildpact
>>93826444BEHOLD one of the formerly most powerful creatures in the game.>doesn't die to Terror>doesn't die to Bolt>doesn't die to STPwhat're you gonna do, /mtg/, when Ihsan's Shade runs wild on YOU?
>>93827884Friendly reminder that 30 years worth of strictly better ccgs died for us to get here
>>93827682I would rather play the cocksucking lips learn card
>>93827850>Mythic Rare Symbol>R 190 at bottom leftsurely you can put more effort than this
>>93827850GREEN DEVOTION IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
>>93827850Fage and kay
Why am I the only person who's excited about this?I've been trying to make Mill work in Standard in a while and it might finally happen
>>93827900best fucking art on a Magic card of all time, RIP Chris Rush you were a real one
>>93827942>swing on t4Isnt standard a t3 format atm?
>>93827952I dunno I still gotta give it up for my boy Mold Demon
>>93827942Mill works in standard, it's called UW control feat. Jace as a wincon.
>>93827942Because mill isn't magic: the gatheringIt's a solitaire nothingburger.dek entirely orthogonal and unrelated to playing magic. Arguably it isn't even gameplay since mill requires no decision making.
>>93827942If you're running this with other damage sources, your deck doesn't work if you don't draw it or it gets removed. If you're not running other damage sources, it's a shitty mill card that can be answered much more easily than most mill.
>>93827731>surveillance >not blueyou had one job
>>93827850WOTC WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING FAGGOTS WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU UNLEASHING UPON US WITH THESE LEYLINES?
>>93827691The Lord of Pain is largely a pastiche of Jigsaw from the Saw movies, I believe, ergo I think this is meant to be sort of like when a character in those movies snaps and goes violently crazy.
>>93827850>leylines for green>black still has 1, one, uno, un, eins, ichiThis is not fair.
>>93827872>>93827881>>93827895>>93827924>>93828004>>93828022>These are the retards crying about Wizards
>>93828031>crying overDon't lump me in with them ya burger. I just remarked that it would get you ahead in mana compared to your opponent.
>>93828022Ok but what if there's actually two leylines for each color in the set?
>>93828031I just want another black leyline is that so much to ask? I doubt that would be so difficult to design
>>93828057Apparently the reason they keep bringing back Void is because people keep wanting Void. It's very high-in-demand as a card to use, which makes sense, but still. What else would a black Leyline even be? Benefits when an opponent discards?
>>93828067Necropotence, but leyline.
>tfw no Amass leylineBaka
>>93828067That or some drain effect for example everytime you gain life, or life total can only decrease or each turn player discards a card
>>93828067>Leyline Of The ShadeEach player's maximum handsize is 4
>>93826916stabilizing against red is the same thing as winning the game. why do you deserve to win, anon?
>>93828067this, but with leyline
>>93827640Song of Totentanz
Can this compete with our saviour and friend Myhem Devil?
>>93828667>YOUR end step instead of each end stepDead on arrival.
>>93828667>can't damage at instant speed>can't spread out damage as neededSeems way worse.
>>93828667Oh I forgot it also doesn't trigger on opponent sacs, so yeah it's shit.
>>93828667The good news: - Menace is good (often much more relevant than people give credit for)- Having a built in sacrifice engine, even if an expensive one, is greatThe bad news:- Only triggers on your turn and only for your permanents- Two toughnessSo overall, its a great value brand Mayhem Devil.
>>93826351>leftist parlanceWhat part of that is leftist parlance
>>93828042anon the point is it's fakeit's not real
>>93828867just ignore him, anyone that uses the word "leftist" to start with has brainworms
The Hearthchads are mocking us again...
>$30what the fuck did I miss?
>>93828667Its shit
>>93829011The correct thread, apparently.
I don't really think this set changes standard very much. RDW gets a couple new tools, and that's about it. Can't wait until they announce 5 year standard rotation.
>>93829080are you telling me this is only carried by commander? i was expecting some crazy legacy list.
>>93827900Fun fact: Christopher Rush wanted to draw Baron Sengir (and as par would have included the Sengir family), but Peter Venters beat him to the punch. Instead he decided he wanted to draw Rashka the Slayer because she was trying to kill the Baron. They gave him Ihsan as well for that same reason.Sandra had some good ideas when doing the art direction for Homelands. Having the same artist draw multiple card pieces of the same culture or clan was a decent idea before more formal world building became the norm.
>>93829095No one plays legacy
>>93829095No, it's slow as shit for Legacy. Meanwhile EDHfags absolutely gobble up this sort of durdly rampy shit like it's candy.
>>93828667No, it lacks flexibility and only cares about (you) sacrificing shit. Similar issue with pic related.That said, either could slot in as extra Mayhem Devils, probably only as a 2-of. Egotist has lifegain and can theoretically protect itself, while Skinripper can theoretically dish out more damage and grow itself. Hard to choose between the two.
>>93829205>>93829209thanks. I'll now move to the correct thread to laugh about these paypigs.
What horror movie is this?
>>93829513>Whenever you attackWIZARDSPLAYERS ARE NOT GAME OBJECTSPLAYERS CAN NOT ATTACK
>>93829316>bestie
>>93829555This is literally so easy to understand shut the fuck up
>>93829558>Ugh, you guys like totally suck>I'm gonna go hang out with my bestie Mayhem Devil, even his cat is way cooler than you geeks
>>93829558I'm half expecting a card named "Beastie Bestie"
>>93829581Just because it's easy to understand doesn't mean it's worded correctly. Remember Wheel of Potential.
>>93829581>grug get it, it good"Fucking caveman brain logic.
>>93829636It means the same thing as "whenever you declare attackers". Read the comprehensive rules.
>>93829636Also, Wheel of Potential firmly establishes that the rules can mean whatever-the-fuck a judge wants them to mean. This makes you more wrong, not less.
>>93829651I was criticizing him for appealing to the intent instead of explaining what you said. That kind of "hur dur just do what they intended" attitude is annoying. >>93829703Wheel had the option to not pay X without changing its effect if you didn't pay. It's not hard to understand.
Cynical Loner's done.I got rid of the silly looking gadget (it would have been in the way, anyway).
>>93829651>The virgin "read the comprehensive rules""I understand it so it's okay">The chad "reading comprehension rules"It is technically wrong and no amount of handwaving makes it acceptable."
>>93829766Wife
>>93829730>I was criticizing him for appealing to the intent instead of explaining what you said.What it says matches the comprehensive rules. What is sounds like also matches the comprehensive rules. It is worded correctly. You're dumb. >hur dur just do what they intendedThis attitude is objectively correct.>Wheel had the option to not pay X without changing its effect if you didn't pay. It's not hard to understand.Actually, it didn't, because the judges said that it didn't. Which is what I just told you.
>>93829785Not just the judges, the rules manager.
>>93829651I have it on good authority that saying "Going to Combat" is the same thing as "Declaring Attackers."
>>93826279Worse phyrexian arena that can make a body and then become good pa, not bad.>>93826351>if every card is written from the perspective of a coastal elite teleported into a magical realm last weekyep, that is what it is. The old folks aren't around anymore. They pick people that hate classic fantasy to do things that should be based on classic fantasy. They could fix most of it by contracting people who do play rpg and play as dungeon masters (because most of them are actually creative people who like classic fantasy, and most of time don't use irony as a personality trait...>>93825992>>93827942That is cool. Also: Bonecrusher Giant friend :)>>93826000>HumanThis should have been a horror, comeon!>>93826008You member "the shining"?>>93826990You member "Saw"?>>93826018>>93828667looks good for limited, fixed mayhem devil with sac outlet unplayable in any other real constructed format.Why this is worse than MDevil: It is a trigger ability that triggers at the end of your turn and only for things you sac. Mayhem can fuck people over for shit like treasures and clues, even if it can't grow the ability triggering everytime matters way more.>>93827083>Questionsdenied. Consume.>>93827715You member "The thing"?>>93829513Not a horror movie. It is based off from Harry Poter.
>>93829935Sort of. You can have a combat step without declaring any attackers, it's still a combat step and that might be important, but a person who isn't going to attack will usually say "skipping combat" or they'll just go on and say "second main phase".
Most of the people out there seemingly hate alternative frames, borderless, full art etc.The two main arguments I see are>I want my cards to have a consistent look>it looks cheap/badThe first argument is totally understandable, a card game where every card has a "unique" layout is a total mess. A game without visual consistency and uniformity is painful to play and look at.The second argument is probably the direct consequence of a simple fact: nearly every post-Magic TCG realized the importance of the picture itself (hell, the 2nd CCG in history -Spellfire- immediately went full art/borderless). The image is ultimately flavor and flavor sells the idea and the game itself, particularly to beginners. So a lot of games gradually started giving pictures more and more space, others tried experimenting with crazier layouts and frames (often trying to outdo each other), and the vast majority of those attempts lacked direction and elegance.It ended up looking cheap, to the point it generated a totally inverted trend -a whole bunch of newer games went back to more "standardized" frames, trying to look "serious" and "professional", often minimizing the space dedicated to pictures in the process. Which is tragic because it seems like the mere idea of frames that maximize the picture area is irremediably tarnished in the collective consciousness, but it CAN look good. There's nothing inherently wrong with having bigger pictures, or even lacking borders in general (even more so when you consider the widespread usage of sleeves). It's also unbelievable companies waste so much money hiring talented artists to make very beautiful art only to have it printed a little bigger than postage stamps.My point is, the general perception/prejudice towards full art/borderless cards is rooted in the history of card games, rather than the actual aesthetics and look itself. Pic semi-related, just a bunch of random non-standard frames that tried having bigger art with mixed results
>>93829316Skibidi Toilet secret lair when?
>>93830038
>>93827715they really are pumping the 1r 2/2 bears this set
>>93829973Imagine your surprise to learn that you are mistaken here. Saying "Declaring Combat" skips the beginning combat phase and moves you to declaring attackers.
>>93830076That's what "sort of" means. I am acknowledging the fact that actual players don't always name phases or pass priority, they skip things that they don't think are important and they only go back to official procedure if there's some kind of conflict.
>>93830030I actually like borderless frames and the emphasis they place on the art. The issue is that most of the art used in products like Secret Lairs are some of the most intentionally shitty art I've ever seen in my life. Something like this is fine though, I'd have an entire borderless deck if all cards got the treatment/they were all up to this quality.
>>93829956Unfortunately most GM's in America right now are hardcore leftists from the coastal cities. You'd have to hire in Eastern Europe to get GM's with the necessary attitude, and I don't even mean places like Poland, I mean Ukraine or Russia.
>>93830030top left:too opaque>top middlelike but needs a little more opaqueness>top right/middle-middle/bottom-left/I don't like the green-text borders around the text, would be fine with the darker transparency.>middle-leftStylish>middle-rightThat is semi-full border. Style of frame with art is comfy.>bottom-middleHonestly this is what basic lands should have be default of just name then type. At most have small icon for mana symbol on type-line.>bottom-rightMore tolerable to have green text borders if its going to keep the normal color frame.
>>93830114I feel like most of those Secret Lair borderless cards are made without informing the artist about the frame that's going to be selected for the card. A lot of them just don't look like they were conceived from the beginning to accomodate a particular layout, and I can say the same for tons of cards with non-conventional frames. Maybe even Wizard doesn't know yet when they task the artist, who knows.I remember hearing a MTG artist saying she had no idea how the card would look like and it ended up dissatisfying her because the bottom of the drawing was cut in the end, which hurt the composition.
Cards that don't fit the set so far
>>93830287I don't mind the rollercoaster.
>>93827083Pretty sure this illustration is based on one of the mtg pros/streams. Not based Wu sadly. He is on another card.
>>93830287What's wrong with literally any of them except the cheerleader?
>>93830287>sprinterdon't mind>soul wardenhonestly not the worst>cheerleaderThe face for some reason makes me think the chick is an elderly man.>trapped in the screen + haunted screenI don't hate them, might warm up to them later.>rollercoaster rideI like the shadowy dude whose lurking>reluctant role-modelthe nerd aesthetic works for this set.
So what Proxy printing service is based in the UK? I don't want to pay $25 for shipping
>>93830395>Jock is fine but cheerleader isn't>Televisions are fineNo
>>93830453I just dislike how the cheerleader is literally just a cheerleader. She's not even survivor-geared or anything. She's just a random-ass student that's somehow on this world.
>>93830464>Televisions are fineYes.
>>93830480Why do magic televisions look exactly like electronic televisions?
>>93830467Yeah, could have at least had some like football armor that looked scratched up.
Blue mana dork for set mechanic.
Shark.
Draw two cards with set token.
>>93830588>>93830603Trash>>93830596Fine
>>93830480Why?
And shortsword with set token.
>>93830618Not bad
>>93830609Why not?
>>93830588>>93830596>>93830603I haven't been paying attention, did the flavor text get noticeably clunkier and generally worse recently? I mean, again, obviously it got a lot worse a long time ago too, but it seems like there's been another step down.
>>93830630Other technology in the setting doesn't typically resemble real-world, near-modern technology. So again, why are televisions fine? Surely you have some reason to feel strongly enough to argue about it other than "meh."
>>93830618>Literally just a literal regular ass fucking flashlightvisionary stuffinspiring, even
God damn, why is everyone so aggressively UGLY? All those black-asian hybrids with incredibly wide and flat faces. Are these the monsters or the heroes? I can't tell, both are equally ugly. Pile of trash.
>>93830647It's pretty clearly a magitech-y type of flashlight.
>>93830654Oh wow, really? No way jose!! We would've never guessed without you!
>>93830654No it fucking isn't. It's a flashlight with some The Matrix decals glued to it.
>>93830287I like the rollercoaster will play the card even if bad.
are there any legacy playable cards in this garbage pile of a seti really hope not
>legacynot magic
>>93830798fuck off
>>93830863Any "format" where "Iron Man, The Starkster" will be legal, is not Magic the Gathering.
>>93828067>Leyline of Misery>Whenever an opponent discards a card, that player loses 2 life.
>>93830939
>>93830950Nothing wrong with starting the game with Megrim anon.
>>93830618If the feather is the light source, shouldn't it be inside the flashlight, not outside of it? This makes it look like the light's just shining on it, rather than being produced by it.
>>93830950Whatever you say but a Black Leyline besides Void is not only possible but easy to make, the fact they are not capable of doing it just another proof of their incompetence.
>>93831035What makes you think they're incapable of making a black leyline, and not that they simply want to use void again?
>>93831035You have it backwards >This set has a lot of graveyard synergy >Next set needs Leyline of the Void>We can't just make one leyline>Here's 4 new Leylines
>>93831111Except this time they're putting Leyline in the graveyard set. What's the plan, strangle all the delirium decks in the crib?
>>93831199Well, the next set has even more graveyard synergy, so they needed to bump the leyline cycle back one in order to not ruin the Wackyrace limited environment.
>>93831212>inb4 the print "fixed" dredge that's actually stronger than the original
>>93831212Death Race will probably have very little graveyard stuff if any.
>>93831230>Death Race set won't involve creatures racing in and out of the graveyardIt's a pun in the name, which is exactly as deep as the thought process behind modern set design.
>>93831230There's gonna be a 1 mana mill car with crew 1 that mills 4 cards when it becomes crewed. Play design forgot that vehicles can be crewed more than once per turn.
Which is the most goyslop plane? I'm thinking ravnica or innistrad.
>>93831311Every set establishes a new record. It's Duskmourne right now.
>>93829095Anon, if the card is over 4 mana and has no way to of cheating itself into play, and it does nothing to end the game on it's own, but it costs over $10, do you really need to be told it's being inflated by commanderbabs?
>>93831266>"We never expected people to crew a vehicle that was already a creature"
>>93831311I don't know what goyslop means.
>>93831322Not even close to OTJ or MKM faggot.
>>93831393both were more kino than the last two sets
>>93831364Neither, does /edhg/.
>>93830632nah its the usual
>>93830618We can have a flashlight but a ______
>>93831261"Death Race" isn't the set's actual name and they've shifted more to calling it "Multiplanar Race" until they actually reveal the fucking set name already (which feels weird they haven't yet), so I doubt graveyard stuff will be a big thing. Maybe one of the limited archetypes will do stuff with it of course, but not a major set theme.
I can't tell if I hate or love this one's flavour text.
>>93830588Looks like leftover phyrexian art>>93830596>Not an Horror Sharkone job>>93830618>Woman holding the glimmerlight>shapewell, we know it probably smells
>>93828667unnnnff boobai'd rip my skin to her if you know what i mean
>>93831498He wanted to know what goyslop was. Magic has a lot nowadays, so it's an on-topic discussion.
>>93831498shalom
>>93831546Hate. It doesn't make any sense for someone to actually say this, and it's not funny.>We won't stop using unfunny joke flavortext because "some people" like it>~Mark Rosewater
>>93831645Why doesn't it make sense? Isn't there a horror archetype of "character who's funny but treats the horror with too much levity and suffers as a result"?
>>93831546There's better "last words" flavor texts out there.
>>93831661I mean, sure. I just don't know if I dislike it for the set. I think "levity being punished" is a suitable form of humour for something like Duskmourn.
>>93831661>https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28game%3Apaper%29+flavor%3A%22last+words%22Wow, they do use it a lot.
>>93831659Yes, but they have to be funny. This thing also doesn't look like a person who is "bent out of shape", it looks like an insubstantial ghost monster that has its head cocked to one side.
>>93831546>see horrifying wraith>HYUCK HYUCK WHAT'S GOT YOU ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE SPORT?it reads like an awful marvel quip, which is probably the only literary source these writers have ever consulted
>>93831674>“Why do they call it a serpent when it’s actually a snake? Serpents are usually aquatic while—”>—Tevor the Pedantic, last wordsOK, this one made me laugh.
>>93831661>ACH HANS RUN ITS THE LLURGOYFA meme older than most posters in /mtg/
>>93831536It is actually strange they haven't revealed the name yet. We usually get those pretty early nowadays. Makes me wonder if it's a spoiler or they're hiding some lore thing.
>>93831674Your top 3?>gorgon's head>rally>dragon mage
>>93831546Will admit, I got a chuckle out of it just from the absurdity. At least the quipster got murdered for it.
I'm actually excited for Duskmourne all things considered but how many formats is it gonna ruin you think?
>>93831674picrelated>>93831973Probably at least pauper. Going to guess 1 to 3 cards are going to fuck up modern. Commander is always fucked (not surprisingly). Vintage might have one new toy.
>>93827850is no one going to mention this is fake as shit
>>93832055people did
>>93831783Unless it's, like, Race for Loot or something, I doubt it?
>>93831311ikoria, no contest
>>93832078Jace: "We're racing for loot!"Average racer brain: [treasure]
>>93832294"Jace's Race for Loot" and then Tezzeret, who's just off-frame, goes "Loot, you say?" and becomes Dick Dastardly.
The better flavor text in the set.
This card looks cute at least.
>>93832533Wow it'sIt's not COMPLETELY terrible
>>93832541Wow it'sIt's terribleThat art is sick though. I wish they leaned more into this boiler room thing for the red cards instead of wasting time on the clowns
>>93832541>>93832566It feels like a card from twenty years ago when the design philosophy was worried about creatures being too good
Made for the G/U archetype.
A lot of cards in this set have higher toughness than power.
why are half cool monsters and the other disney tier niggas?
>>93832533surveilbros, can we brew something for pioneer perhaps?
>>93832715I think I've decided living on Ravnica fucking sucks, actually
>>93832685Must be them attempting to make a slow, locked board limited format.
>>93832776I'm for that. Getting sick of all aggro limited.
>>93832685Doesn't seem out of the ordinary. BLB had 60/163 with tou>pow, OTJ had 52/158. DSK currently has 24/88 on scryfall.
>>93832803Those are nice tokens.
>>93829109thats extremely based and i want to go back
Maro won't let me back in the kitchen after I showed him these card concepts.
>>93827900>Dies to Desert TwisterOh no no no no no Ihsan bros what do we do1?
>>93832674O thank goodness they don't all have blocking restrictions
>>93832943Damage prevention is a very white ability
>>93832674>Beastiethis game is designed by low-IQ infants
>>93833052why do you feel this way?
>>93833052They're called "beasties" because Valgavoth is intelligent enough to understand that humans are a limited resource for it, and it created one not-as-scary monster to make sure that enough children survive to adulthood for it to feed sustainably
So are there really zero creatures in standard in the 0-3 mana range that can prevent sunfallsno counterspells, no meddling mages, no anythingertai can do it at 4 mana but everything else either just delays it by 1-2 turns (aven shitter, shitter cleric)
>>93827900>no trample or flying?Block with 1/1 artifact tokens creatures all day.
>>93833133>be massive elder demon>has to tend to a massive active terror farm to get sustenance , compelete with garden pests and helpful lifeforms
>>93832533>mucus covered fingers>why mucus?it's a nose
>>93830618This is probably better than people realize if you care about having enchantments and artifacts on board since it generates both with one card.In current standard it's total trash though, but it might get better in the future if there is a mechanic or more cards that care about that.
I wanted return to Ixalan to be the western frontier set with vampire cowboys riding raptors. The whole subterranean world could have easily been a small segment instead of the main theme. I’m really not sure why they thought that was a good idea. I get the reference but Ixalan was already a dinosaur world. The subterranean lost paradise existing underneath a lost paradise lacks excitement and could have been a single card for the sake of the pulp trope
>>93833811I disagree, the feathered dinosaurs are lame and one note. Give me more lost world shenanigans, evil shroom takeover subplots and whatever that bat god is going to get up to.
I want Return to Tarkir reveal that Sarkhan was actually the smartest character in the series where Sarkhan knew Bolas was still alive because he was able to sense Bolas's energy from across the multiverse because he has the power to sense the life energy of dragons and this is totally a power he always had and is not being made up at the last minute and then it turns out Bolas was actually just gay but didn't know how to express his feelings towards Ugin and when Bolas comes out he's instantly accepted by everyone because there's no homophobia in the entire multiverse and Bolas becomes a good guy that's now Ugin's gay lover and Bolas gets two new commander cards one in izzet and one with 5 white pips.
>>93832529Not a fan of how much low rarity indestructible we've been getting for limited lately, enables way too many blow outs and punishes removal. BB in particular had like 4 or 5 cards at common that did this which was one of many frustrating things in the format
>>93834069I didn't read past the first 5 words but I want Return to Tarkir to be about Total Dragon Death
>>93831311Ravnica. It's the one plane that they return to every time they run out of ideas. Now the entire plane has been rendered down to a single pop culture detective gimmick.
>>93834131God I wish. But I can't shake the feeling there's no way they'd give up on "and then dragons enslaved everyone and the world was better for it :)" because they're allergic to good ideas
>>93831546>liking a marvel quip
>>93830618>>93830603>>93830588damn, this company really is ideally bankrupt worse than I thought
>>93830588I don't like the idea of blue getting mana. Feels like misplaced mechanic like when blue used to have prodigal sorcerer
i've been doing this shit on Excel by myself...why didn't you guys tell me...
>>93832685it's because "2-power creatures" is literally an archetype
>>93832585>>93832566it's fine.
>>93830647If there's anything that is consistent about Magic is that it's clear the people in charge grew up on the dogshit from the 80s. All these horror tropes are shit from then. Unfinity is like a snapshot of the 80s like circuses and amusement parks don't even look like that anymore and haven't for like 20 fucking years. They made a fucking cowboy set with fucking guns.
>>93834378>withdon't you mean without?
>>93834300wtf are u doing?>>9383437880s nerds are more creative than this bullshit. They are 90s at best and they love old movies.
>>93834614what does it look like I'm doing? looking at decklists
>he was able to sense Bolas's energy from across the multiverse because he has the power to sense the life energy of dragonshow does this make him smart, let alone the smartest
>>93834378i don't think circuses even exist anymore
>>93834614>They are 90s at best and they love old movies.Can confirm. All my millennial friends were obsessed with Star Wars and Back to the Future. Same time of people who would unironically buy funkopops.
>>93834749>First Strike is Iniciativa in PortugeseHow did they translate the Initiative then?
>>93834782>dianteira
>>93830287Soul Warden, Guide of Souls, and Ocelot Pride.Soul Sisters we are SO back.
>>93831546Marvel has ruined pop culture for a fucking generation. Everyone and everything has to be or at least appeal to Quirk Chunguses now. God forbid a "horror" set be allowed to be even REMOTELY creepy, even a G-rated one.
>>93834934you'll cream yourself when you see the white leylineand shit yourself when you'll see red 3cmc antilifegain drop
>>93834934I believe this will make a mono white version of the deck viable. My issue is that it's one of those corrupted archetypes that's only viable because of MHslop and doesn't stand on its own legs the way very few modern decks now can.
>>93834259They've allowed blue to have mana dorks that only produce blue for a while now, and even then only for a subset of things.
>>93834614No, not people born in the 80s, people who experienced their teens in the 80s, the people in charge of this game who took all the fucking bad ideas from the 80s and brought them forward to today. Obviously we can credit people from that same era with many great things but it's pretty fucking clear that the people working on Magic are nostalgic for the shittiest media in history. Do we really need a fucking set where every character looks like they came out of Grease? Do we really think Chucky or fucking Freddy are the scariest looking things out there?You can't look at how they handled the Phyrexians, Eldrazi, and fucking over Innistrad three times each time the inhabitants return with cleaner and cleaner clothes and seriously think they have a broad media perspective.Holy shit, once upon a time Wizards was actually able to write horrific shit.
Pretty good looter.
As always, there's some nice art.
And roundabout card draw, basically.
looking at the early rooms designs makes me wish i got into board games instead of mtg.
>>93835522Why have they been pushing the fuck out of face down cards recently? Yes I know it's for Commander fags
>>93835554It's also because they shit so much cards now they need to go into all design space they can.
>>93835554Because face down cards by themselves kind of suck ass.
>>93835522Yeah, even in decks that don't rely on face-down creatures this seems good, and in those that do this is great.
>>93835588Yeah, just a 2 mana 2/3 that loots every turn for free is really good in Standard at least.
>>93835554UG is usually shit in limited unless it gets pushed.
>>93835539a copy of Twilight Struggle costs less than one (1) playset of shocklandsno excuses
>>93835539A lot of board games are poisoned by dice rolling and wildly unbalanced events (usually the result of cards in a deck). Granted, Magic is a fucking waste of money but the money is spent getting good enough that you can make friends with other good players and then print cards to play together forever. It's not about collecting shit it's about making friends while playing the one of the greatest games ever EDH excluded.And well, if you aren't making a social connection with Magic, you might as well just quit. Do something with friends or don't do it at all; sometimes you don't have a local store because Wizards has tried its hardest to kill paper.
What's a proxy printing service that doesn't charge $25 to ship to the UK
>>93835728Print your own
>>93835747I want them to look somewhat decent
help
>>93835834take it as a hint and throw all this garbage away
WHEN THE FUCK ARE THEY REPRINTING CHROME MOX THIS SHIT IS $120 WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>93835915legacy horizons trust the plan
>>93835554Probably more of a standard thing desu.
I hate how all the big dumb timmyshit is relegated to commander nowadays.
Here's a Saga, think it's the only one in the set so far?
>>93836175flavorful, but garbage
>>93836175>not for freecmon wotc. by todays standards that HAS to be the ultimate effect
>>93836175first legendary saga too, crazy that it took like 6 years to happen
I'm not sure Valgavoth was always a demon. The way it's explained that the plane originally created magitek by binding distant entities of pure hunger, I think Valgavoth may have originally been native to the Blind Eternities
>>93836175I get why "tamiyo planeswalkers" are included in the final step, but it bugs me there's no tamiyo planeswalker in the set.
>>93836220>build a deck that is largely instants and sorceries. Maybe prowess, maybe heavy control with a lot of counters, maybe just spells that manifest or make tokens>mill yourself a couple of times, maybe combine with surveillance>exile a full hand's worth of cards on turn six, except they don't count against your hand size and your opponent can't make you discard themBut what do I know, I just got six off of this in draft last night
Where is the custom magic thread? I need somewhere to put my cringe.
>>93836328They're going to announce a "Tamiyo, Digital Ghost" or something planeswalker and she'll have no way to gain loyalty on her own. Screenshot this
>>93836341You're in it.
>>93835922Unironically this
>>93836175This + lands + Thassa's Oracle works, right?
>>93836469if you could stack your deck perfectly, then yeah
>>93836175Wait, the last step doesn't say a time frame. Can I just hang onto a bunch of counterspells copied with this?
>>93836524No it's the same as Mizzix's Mastery. They cease to exist if not cast immediately.
>>93836600>>93836600>>93836600New thread
>>93836574>copy themShit, I missed this part
