Legion-specific editionPrevious thread: >>93897787>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#the-horus-heresyhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#the-horus-heresy>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics>HH1 Black Books<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>NqlCmSpI>HH2 Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>1rki2Q6D>Miscellaneous Extras (Visions and Old Rules)<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Q61izSiS『Adeptus Titanicus and Legionis Imperialis』>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDQ<slash>LR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4ofolder<slash>IukARSLT>Legiones Imperialis Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Fi9kQSwB>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>homemade missions:https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html>Thread question:Should FW update the older legion-specific units that will likely never see a plastic release?
>>93913026>TQi'm fine with the older units. but since i don't play any of the first batch legions i don't think i count
>>93913026That Alpharius needs to skip the corpse starch for a while
>>93913026>TQPlease, god no.
>>93913177he's on that perturabo-impersonating diet
John Gramaticus reminds me of a less well realised version of Cheradenine Zakalwe
>>93913026>Should FW update the older legion-specific units that will likely never see a plastic release?I dont think so, they are (generally) good looking and I would rather see the legions with lackluster special options get some attention or plastic releases for more fundamental troops in need of it (breachers/destroyers would be nice)
so, which one do you prefer ?
>>93913256i am a special kind of retarded tonight
>>93913270A-ARE THOS 40K SANGUINARY GUARDS LEGS?AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME IRON-HANDS-MAN I'M GOING INSANE
>>93913281No, those are Mk VI legs from the BA tactical squad kit May the Emperor rest its soul
>>93913281they are death company legs.great kit, i should've bought more boxes
>>93913281no, those are 40k Death Company legs.If you're going to armour autism, do it right.
>>93913299bro, your barrells?
>>93913319gets tedious at some point. also the drill bits are lost in the T̵̨͕̗̯̏̕h̴͔̪͍̯̩̞̏͒́́̄ͅe̸̢̥̯̭͖͗ ̴̧͖̗̝͉͍̞͈̘̗̑̎̔̉͐̌̓̋̽͐̎P̶̺̬̞͍͎̄͗̐̂̎̏̎͒̎͠ị̴̡̧͖̰̋̈́ț̵̄̀̎̇́̔͛̔̓͝
>>93913319Death to the barrel drill mafia.Do you also drill your models assholes because otherwise they can't take a shit? Do you replace lenses with actual glass rather than paint them, because otherwise models can't look through them? Get the fuck outta here.
>>93913370The first point is irrelevant, since the asshole isn't visible except for space wolf players, who doThe second one also doesn't work. The shape of the lens is constant, regardless of material.With the barrels, drilling changes the actual shape. You can argue it's unnecessary, and that's a matter of opinion, but don't give arguments that clearly don't compare apples to apples.
>>93913370Nice mental gymnastics there faggot
If you had to choose between the autocannons and the plasma for the Deredeo, which would you go with?
>>93913587Plasma every time all the time, hands down. It can fire the same Str 8 rending 4+ large blasts that make scorpius so hated, on a platform that is durable enough to fire at a lascannon HSS and survive the return fire.The autocannons just serve no purpose and do too little damage to warrant the deredeo's point cost. But of course my deredeo still only has the autocannons, they were decent enough last edition when I build it.
>>93913587Plasma, in most cases. S7 Heavy 6 will reliably wallop aircraft and light vehicles and the option to overcharge for an intercepting S8 Breaching 4+ Large Blast will make most terminators be more careful around you, too.Autocannon looks better, though.
>>93913622Deredeo-Cortus.
>>93913587Plasma. It's not even close
>>93913587The hellfire carronade is one of the few good plasma weapons this edition. A decent number of S7 shots will make flyers stay out of range and a large blast that can be fired to ID deep-striking terminators will make elites stay away.The autocannon battery doesn't throw out enough shots – while Sunder and Rending 5+ is nice enough it doesn't have enough shots to really make it count.
would you let him get +1 to hit if he was dreadwing?
Did the Emperor's Children utilize any daemons before the end of the heresy? Would it be fluffy to put them in a diorama/army display?
>>93913763sorry I had a brain aneurysm, I meant deathwing
>>93913587I chose a different path. I chose... Volkite.
>>93913768>Did the Emperor's Children utilize any daemons before the end of the heresy?Absolutely. Sometimes they even did it on purpose.The first confirmed summoning/contact with daemons happened BEFORE the Dropsite Massacre, they were doing it before it was cool.
>>93913800Hell yeah brother, then I'm biting the bullet on a box right now.
>>93913768Slaangorrs = Demonic Brutes of Slaanesh
>>93913763No.
>>93913768Maybe towards the end of the Heresy. Just a handful of lesser Daemons hanging around with some choice members of the legion like Typhon and his Nurglings. But I actually like the Traitor Legions when they have clearly fallen to Chaos, but aren't fully into the Daemon worship or are only just starting to grasp what they are dealing with.
>>93913796What were FW smoking that they decided to sell the anti-infantry weapon in combination with anti-air missiles only...
Solar Auxilia designs are cool but a little too busy
>>93913763No, DAfags are scum and get no concessionsyou didnt even have the good graces to model him with the big sword the banana boy dreadnoughts get
>>93913763If it was still a 'Dreadnought Close Combat weapon' modeled as a sword, I wouldBut it's a gravis power fist/chainfist now, so no
>>93913796Well, I'm getting the MkIII box (local store still has it), so I'm pretty sure those two are the only options that it has.
>>93913205you can't just arrange letters and call it a name, this isn't star trek
>>93913270they're both charming>>93913298it BELONGS in a MUSEUM
What does Volkite even do
>>93914300CHOOM!
>>93913622eh it's like a 1/5 to penetrate AV14, about as good as BS4 lascannons but with four shotsI can see why it is that way and not more obnoxious with a higher rate of fire and/or AP2/Wrecker, plus the thing also comes with a bucket of eat shit rockets for taking out flyers or affordable infantrynot great, not terrible
>>93913800at that concert where Fulgrim fucked a violin?
>>93913270Lol the skinny leg mkii look so shit. People defending them are sunk cost fags rite large
Asked last thread but no response. Kharn comes on either a 25mm or a 50mm base depending on which of the two provided bases you use. Would a 40mm be fine for a conversion if the base model is sized for that and uses the full base?
>>93913351Unfuck your life then maybe paint more toy soldiers
>>93914300it's basically a microwave gun set it to popcorn and people burst into flame and get atomized
>>93914300Coherent microwave beams. The MASER to the lasgun's LASER.
>>93914373It just isn't 200 points great.
>>93914454>>93914524So just a meltagun.
>>93914835closer to the 2nd ed melta but longer range, more directed, and less explosively dramatic
>>93914454>>93914524So it kinda just cooks you from the inside? I guess i'm trying to figure out what it does and also what its gimmick is; what it does it do that causes someone to choose it over a lasgun?>>93914835But doesn't Volkite get zero AP?
IMPERIAL FISTS MKIII armor trim:-Black with grey highlights/chips or-metallic colour washed down with nuln oil and with metallic chips?
>>93914925Some anon once posted which kind of radiation volkite could be based on real life physics, but I forgot the specifics. Should have saved the post dammit.In the lore it is uncertain what volkite weapons actually fire.
>>93914835>vape gunthis is a fun idea for a necromunda gang
>>93915004I personally don't like the excessive black trim on new mk3 for IF, it's too busy imo. Your metallic idea sounds neat, same armor color but with chipping to imply its a different material?
>>93915250Yea, trim being more obviously metal and not just ceramite The black with grey looks a bit too plastic-y imo
>>93915272>not just ceramiteWhat about plasteel? Older marks apparently are suppose to be made with plasteel while later ones have ceramite. It'd explain what the new armour material for the MkIV was.
>>93915272Agreed. You have the blessing of one nameless autist at a Cambodian basket weaving symposium.
>>93914835Not exactly. The power source, delivery system, intended effect on the target, and the way it looks/sounds when firing are all different... but they effectively use the same type of reaction (agitated molecules).
>>93915463>power sourceWonder what they do use as a power source. The Admech plasma gun seems to have a battery very similar to FW volkites.
>>93915250>>93915004Use classic red trim
>>93913796The Falconet seems pretty good but it's a real shame it looks so ugly.
>>93914300Heat rays. Beams of "thermodynamic energy" that are super devastating to flesh, burn it and cause it to explode from heat, thus additional hits on unsaved wounds.>it have bad APit have same AP as high calibre armor piercing explosive bullets with daimond tips and rocket booster to add even more speed.
>>93915463>but they effectively use the same type of reaction (agitated molecules).If you want to get pedantically technical, bolters also use that type of reaction.
>>93913026>Should FW update the older legion-specific units that will likely never see a plastic release?Considering most kits that were rerelased as plastic are straight up downgrade design wise I would say FUCK NO!
>>93914300it deflagrates; that is to say, it propagate deflagration in a target mediumhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflagrationit's not a microwave beam because that would just boil the water out of a body (and be stopped by various types of armour quite easily, though it would heat some of them up fast)it's not ionizing radiation because it's widely used and doesn't cause radiation effects; particle radiation would be next to useless, and no ionizing radiation would cause deflagration short of the kind of beam that would permanently irradiate an areaso it must be a more exotic effect and likely uses quantum or some shit to agitate molecular bonds; a bit like dielectric heating, but probably directly targeting carbon molecules (since they're abundant in living targets and burn well along with oxygen, which is also abundant in living targets) with a weaker effect on other molecules (hence it's bad at burning through metals, ie armour)basically it's an old-timey ray gun
>finally get around to reading Horus HERESY novels >The Emporer is a fedora tipping atheist Redditorshould have never come here
>>93916478Reading the wrong Horus Heresy novels which is most of them is a very good way to stop liking the Horus Heresy.
>>93916478>he didn't know the Emperor was a hardcore atheistHow? It's one of his defining features that led to the Heresy was his denial of all things divine that his sons weren't prepared to deal with them.The "Heresy" was tacked on much later after the Imperial Cult twisted the guy who didn't want to be worshipped as a god into a god and made Lorgar right.
>>93916478Wait until you find out about 'Perpetuals' and John Grammaticus. Also what they did to the lone mortal soldier who stood up to Horus, Ollanius Pius or w/e he was called. BL writers are unbelievable hacks. Especially Abnett. Overrated as fuckThe best books are mostly done by ADB. First Heretic, Betrayer, etc. Not so much his more recent HH novels
>>93916107>it have same AP as high calibre armor piercing explosive bullets with daimond tips and rocket booster to add even more speed.Or a basic handheld flammenwerfer, both capable of piercing basic body armour.I like to imagine with volkites and flamers it's more to do with the coverage of the armour, rather than its protective value. You can have a cuirass of adamantium, but get hit with a flamer and that plate does nothing as the flames burn your limbs and head. Models in carapace tend to be quite covered up, so they're more protected from such effects.>>93916449You have to remember the weapons also work on automatons and dreadnoughts, so it's not just biological matter. Maybe, if they added Deflagrate next to Flesbane and Poison as things they're immune to, it'd suit the idea more. I think even the designers don't know what to do with it, so it's just another energy beam weapon with a special rule and that's it.
>>93916568>and John GrammaticusJohn is a perfectly fine character, and his walking out an airlock at the end of the novel is how his story should have ended.Much like how Loken should have stayed dead. And our closing "I was there the day Horus slew the Emperor" could have come from Abbadon.
>>93916449>that would just boil the water out of a bodyBro I'm 70% water. I don't want you boiling my body moisture thank you very much>(and be stopped by various types of armour quite easily,Makes sense it's AP5. Volkite is totally an energy bean in the lower end of the spectrum, so microwave-infrared. The flash you see is the air burning in front of the energy beam.Do NOT try to use a Volkite weapon as a source of radio waves. You will be able to communicate with the target, but only once. The message: D-E-A-T-H-X-D
>>93914835A melta gun uses magnetic "containment" (not unlike plasma) to fit a whole volkite's clip in a single shot. Not to mention many models use petrol as fuel (tank + hose).So it could be said meltas are what volkite would be if you used a magnetic bubble to concentrate the whole magazine's energy into heating up fuel which it then shoots like a shotgun.>"Then it's just the same"Like saying RPG and frag grenades are the same because they're both "grenades"
>>93916944>Not to mention many models use petrol as fuel (tank + hose).Hydrogen masers are a thing in real life. Some meltas use a fusion reaction instead (hence the Eldar and Tau fusion weapons). Many melta weapons don't have the hose either, nor do we see meltas being reloaded with a fresh tank very often. One one of the plague marine models there's a bunch of extra barrels, implying the barrels wear out faster than it runs out of fuel.>shoots like a shotgun.All the depictions of the beam make it a tight red line. Coming from the middle of the tall slit, which has barrels running on the edges of it with empty space in the middle (as seen on the Deredeo and Kratos volkites). Meltas are a nigh invisible jet or blast of heat.>Like saying RPG and frag grenades are the same because they're both "grenades"They do make frag rockets for RPGs.
>all this autistic disscusion about how "grim dark future tech" work>when you have no info outside "heat ray">when designers who come up with it them selves have no idea and don't care how it workNever change anons.
>>93913622Brother what the fuck is that. I do not hate it but I'm also not getting close to it
>>93916989>Many melta weapons don't have the hose eitherMost do have the tank though. Also it says it's petrol (CnH2n+2), rather than hydrogen, the easiest element to fuse>nor do we see meltas being reloaded with a fresh tank very often.Huge wasted opportunity. I hope they retcon it away like they retconned bolters being caseless. Reloading a cell-canister is super coolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztIDKg3riGgIf it was up to me I'd make meltas fucking pump action lmao. I just like shotguns u.u>All the depictions of the beam make it a tight red lineThe Space Marine vidya's depiction (fusion shotgun) is cooler than Dawn of War's (blowtorch gun), though they're both fun.At least they're not DoW 3's Lascannon...>Meltas are a nigh invisible jet or blast of heat.That'd be in the vacuum, with no air to ignite
>>93913351Mate, the pit doesn't even look that hard to tidy up if you spent some time on it.
>>93917170>Also it says it's petrol (CnH2n+2)Pyrum-petrol. Or Pyrum/prometheum. I was merely using the hydrogen maser as an example of microwaves using some form of "fuel" as part of the reaction. It's possible whatever fuel they use, it's able to produce the reaction without tons of energy being put into fusing the elements. Maybe it's how melta-bombs work, just put some chemical mixture in there, mix it up and it'll produce a great amount of heat through chemical nuclear fusion.>like they retconned bolters being caselessWhen were bolters caseless? People keep saying this, but I have yet to see examples.>fusion shotgunFeels more like they didn't want to make a short ranged lascannon, so instead of a tight beam they made it a blast. 2e dreads could use their multi-meltas in such a way, spreading the beam into a short, wide blast using the flamer template.>That'd be in the vacuum, with no air to igniteYet in the description they mention moisture in the air hissing along with the near invisible beam, so...
>>93917343I reckon what the official source vaguely says. I just find it less cool than Fusion Boomstick.Do you have any headcanon you find cooler than the official fluff?
>>93917170>>93917343>>93917552Hey meltagun is still fusion shotgun, just loaded with slug instead of pellets and it can vaporise fully armoured space marine and anything behind him or burn hole in battle tank.
A lot of MK IV models are out of stock or sold out. Wondering if they’re repackaging them or if they’re about to drop an update for them
>>93917552Is it still headcanon if you just pick and choose official lore?
>>93917672>HeadcanonSpecifically a Head pyrum-promethium microwave Canon :^)
>>93917705
>>93915004Black trim. Metallic looks like shit on the nu characters
>>93917170>>93917343>>93917343>>93917552Just here to remind that there are canonically 2 types of meltagun.
>>93917914Sorry, forgot the image
>>93917596>MkIV Maximus, my belovedHopefully the latter. Seeing them squatting next to the taller MkIII and MkVI has robbed me of all motivation to paint them.
>>93916568>Also what they did to the lone mortal soldier who stood up to Horusmade him real rather than explicit in universe propaganda? yea, that was stupid of them
>>93918004Yeah, he's also a perpetual now.
>>93918014I know, I read the books (some of them anyways), I just hate Olly and hate the adoration of him by mouthbreathers online, it was never some random fucking dude with the emperor in Horus's throne room that would be fucking retarded, why would the emperor take some random faggot guardsman with him on the most important spec ops mission in the history of the universeperpetuals and everything surrounding them is also shit to the umpteenth degree and whoever came up with that should be shot and then have the body displayed on a pike to serve as a lesson for the others. Cyrene can stay because shes neat.
>>93918004>explicit in universe propagandaDo source this claim.
>>93918025RT where the objective account of the throne room showdown doesn't feature him despite later imperial sources having him be a saint with his attributed actions
>>93918022Anything's retarded when you strawman it enough.
>>93918022cyrene can stay because she has a purpose in the story and doesn't come up in the next book.and she doesn't even count as an abnett aberration in her book
>>93918038So you just don't know what "explicit" means then. It's not like there weren't multiple versions of the event in RT alone.
>>93918065Thank you for proving my exact point. The ollanius pius story was always nothing more than alleged in universe propaganda, and every objective account had it be a marine (later made into a custodes)>who is supposed to have
>>93918022I feel like Oll's death by Horus might have been an editorial mandate. I mean Abnett already wrote the whole thing with Olly in Saturnine, and his afterword reads a lot like he meant for that to be the end of the whole matter of Saint Ollanious's martyrdom. Of course, this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place if he hadn't had introduced Oll as a character way back when. The whole thing is incredibly stupid.
>>93918081>allegedWhat happened to "explicit," buddy boy?
>>93918065what happened in the duel is apocryphal at best, and usually propaganda.the worst idea of the HH books was to give a clear picture of what happened.turning warhammer 30k into BL's bitch make me mad
>>93918093That is explicit, its there in plain text, the ollanius pius story is nothing more than an alleged version of events, in universe propaganda by the guard. This is made even more explicit by every objective recounting of the showdown not having him there.
>>93918105If it was "explicit," you wouldn't need to infer it, they'd tell it to you outright.
>>93918137Which they did>the guardsman who is supposed to have
>>93918144Get a dictionary, ESL.
Speaking of propaganda, did the BL book even have the Emperor tell people to grind his armour to dust and mandate the crux terminatus on all terminator suits?
sicaran turret variants in plastic when
Hello. I'm looking around for some kill team terrain. Anybody have pic rel terrain (Civitas Imperialis Ruins)? Does that single box really transform into all of those buildings, or is that just showcasing more boxes from the same set?Also not sure about the scale. Would this look weird with 40k models?
>>93918232>Also not sure about the scale. Would this look weird with 40k models?Hilariously. An epic rhino doesn't even come up to the knee on a 28mm marine, having these buildings would look like a bunch of dudes stomping around a miniature city.
>>93918232you can mix and match some bits. doesn't translate to 40k and Kill Team at all, unless you plan to fight in a hive city of ants next to your 28mm minis.gods why do i see folks asking dumb question that they could answer themselves by looking 10mn on my social media
>>93918253Ah, so that's what this is. I felt like it looked to good to be true, lmao. Thank you.
>>93918265>by looking 10mn on the GW website, instead of asking it on my social mediatoo drunk to paint, not drunk enough to avoid despair
Aside from "fun" or "flavor" (both perfectly acceptable reasons for me), when do you want to run a Champion consul?
>>93918302mandatory
>>93918302Maru Skara it's mandatory
>>93918362>3x Champion + 5 Pyroclasts riding inside the holds of a Land Raider Achilles squadronSo much melta... and scoring...
>>93918302Aside from RoW requirements there isn't really a reason. Most of the other consuls are going to contribute a lot more to your army than a champion. And he's really expensive for just a centurion with a paragon blade and WS6 that gets forced into duels even if he doesn't want to...
>>93918408You still need a MotL
>>93918429if you take vulkan it's fine, but then you have a 425pts deficit
>>93918362This is dumb, a champion doesn't fit this theme at allI'd understand a chaplain preaching about purifying everything with fire, or even an armistos forced to take the flamer, but what the fuck does a guy with a sword have to do with spamming flamers?
>>93918446because it was already that way in 1rst edition and carried that way in 2nd.salamanders should have chaplains everywhere, definitively second most fanatic legion after WB
>>93918429I guess you just make one of them a Praetor. Either way, it's stupid but fun.
>>93918385But a Phoenix Warden is both cooler and better because he can take a thunder hammer AND a phoenix spear and also doesn't have to challenge and also gets bonus combat resolution and can also just give himself WS6 if he needs it.
>>93918408would've been way more deadly if the master-crafted melta bonus had carried over
>>9391847015 multi-meltas and 15 (18 if you splurge for combi meltas on the HQs) meltas are deadly enough imo
>>93918408my single biggest problem with pyroclasts is that they can't take chainswordsotherwise they would be absolutely perfect
>>93918487It would be nice (albeit pricey) if they could swap their basic CCWs for something better, but they are one of the few units in the game to actually have that and a Pistol, so they do get 4 attacks each on the charge which isn't nothing.
Which legions inductii do you think are worth the time to run? I already played my UM tacticals as 10 man units in rhinos for flexibility so getting special weapon access was a no brainer to me
>>93918514Alpha Legion Inductii are hillarious
>>93918505i prefer them on the defensive, holding an objective and daring anyone dumb enough to charge 5d6 flamers
>>93918514Salamanders get some of the best of the bunch.>WS5 Sarge in a despoiler squad>Reroll 1s to hit in melee>Can have a couple guys replace their CCWs with meltaguns
is Adeptus Titanicus good?
>>93918302Another praetor level combatant for cheap, government hil a jump pack and let him either run and hide across the board or deep strike to bring the hammer of justice from the heavens.
>>93918535It does some stuff which Epic doesn't, which is more than Ligma can say.
Mars book still not shared?Grim times indeed.
Two questions both Mechanicum related and potentially retarded so forgive me1. I want to base my mechanicum on a forge world that exists in universe, however it has no examples of what their colour scheme are, and the planet in question technically isn't sanctified or connected to Mars, so doing just the standard red robes is likely a far fetch of an option. On the same forge world, however, is a knight house that DOES have reference material and colour schemes of the knights. Would it make sense for Mechanicum elements to also adopt a similar colour scheme? What should I do in this scenario?2. Is there actually anything for loyalist mechanicum players in the new mars book? All the screenshots I've seen so far only really seem to be traitor exclusive, even down to warlord traits. Why does it seem like being a loyalist for mechanicum related armies only comes with downsides?
>>939185591:>redThis isn't 40k, not all Martians wore red. Other than that you should look at the titanicus wiki because it has probably every house so far and nearly every bit of fluff like the forge worlds that supply them. >Would it make sense for Mechanicum elements to also adopt a similar colour scheme?No, it's knights that are subjected to the will of the mechanicum not the other way around.2:Not really, I've heard there are some things that don't rely on alignment for the campaign but other than that nothing. No characters, no rules, no anything. Unless you play marines that is.
>>93918419Well, already built and painted mine, so I guess fun and flavor it is.>>93918541Yeah, mine has a jump pack.
>>93918559for the first question : fuck mars, kick mars in the balls, roundhouse kick mars in the face, etc...look up mezoa stuff if you want loyalist mechanicum, but yeah loyalist mechanicum has exactly one unit, while the traitor mechanicum has dime a dozen of stuff
>>93918553what's ligma?
>>93918464>can also just give himself WS6 if he needs it.No, he can give himself a +1 to it for hitting or defending only at the cost of an attack, which is flat worse than just having base WS6.
>>93918554>39 euro for free pdfs, marine fapfics and a slew of things that are so bad you won't ever run themI'll pass.>>93918652Ligmaballs.
>>93918657it's fun, in a "don't cry, laugh instead" way to see warhammer wannabees fail to understand basic shit
>>93918589>This isn't 40k, not all Martians wore redI still understand it to be a way of signifying loyalty to mars though, no? I dislike the idea of associating with traitors and hereteks>Other than that you should look at the titanicus wikiI'll give the titanicus wiki a browse then and see what I can turn up>No characters, no rules, no anything.Damn that's rough. Feels like a bit of a kick in the dick to get literally nothing and not even some kind of lacklustre unit or warlord trait or something>>93918605>fuck marsUnderstandable>look up mezoa stuff if you want loyalist mechanicumI gave them a quick read and was very enamoured, I'll have to give them more of a look over. Basing their iconography seemingly on their planet is an interesting one...The forge world I picked is technically from Ultramar so maybe I could do something in a similar vein?>but yeah loyalist mechanicum has exactly one unit, while the traitor mechanicum has dime a dozen of stuffIt's a shame too since I'd be down to run more of the Arcuitor's but they're...0-1? And sure I could run a Malagra high techno force but my mechanicum are gonna be an allied detachment, so that means not getting access to the cool "take 3 Arcuitors" part...Feels a bit lame. I guess loyalty is it's own reward but ouch
>>93918744Yes, loyalty to Mars which during the heresy turned mostly traitor. The mechanicum was very hands off with that kind of thing for the most part and ignoring all the forge worlds straight up disobeying Mars each forge was it's own citystate with their own little secrets and heresies against the dogma, they were still expected to fight under the banner of their planetary governor (fab.gen. or other titles) when needed, which was in turn expected to do the same for Mars/the Emperor. The system is based off feudalism, after the heresy, seeing that half or more of the mechanicum went traitor or even completely renegade, Kane shackled any bit of freedom mech had and turned the whole empire into an adeptus ordo.>roughThe only good bits were free before this book and those too have had some new restrictions. We did get some warlord traits but outside of the Sarum one letting you pick slaughter engines as troops and iirc giving them line there isn't anything noteworthy. There were so many interesting predictions that would have been fun to see but I guess this is what we get.Pic rel is the martian Fab.Gen. and his allies.
>>93918744It seems that most non-marine armies get incredibly fucked over when taken as allies because they rely on certain things that are non-compulsory and are in non-troop slots like militia not being able to get discipline masters, mech only having 3 sources of cybertheurgy, SA companions, etc..
>>93918559>Why does it seem like being a loyalist for mechanicum related armies only comes with downsides?You get an exclusive unit. But on the whole its for the same reason some legions get more benefit going loyalist than traitor or the reverse.
>>93918559>Would it make sense for Mechanicum elements to also adopt a similar colour scheme?Yea, in Xana II house Malinax has the same color scheme as the other mecanicum forces so it's not like it's unheard of.Other forge worlds with multiple knight houses like Mars also seem to have very close color schemes for them, with all being variations of red, so I imagine that's because it's the color associated with Mars forces.If the house you are reffering to are knights under the rule of the mecanicum then they are basically mecanicum forces and might as well be the same color>>93918559>so doing just the standard red robes is likely a far fetch of an optionThey are very inconsistent with the color red thing. Sometimes it represents the omnissiah and other it's the authority of Mars...If your forge world is not associated with Mars and given there are others like Xana that completely pass on it, I'd say it'd make more sense to not use it.
I'm having a real boring ass timehttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/17/painters-from-the-warhammer-community-dive-into-kill-team-hivestorm/
>>93918559>Why does it seem like being a loyalist for mechanicum related armies only comes with downsides?Loyalty is its own reward.
>>93918559>Why does it seem like being a loyalist for mechanicum related armies only comes with downsides?Have you seen what traitors get for being traitors?
Anyone who has Ashen Circle models, are the heads part of the torso or are they separate pieces?
>>93919300Torsos/heads are one solid piece. The arms and jetpacks are separate though
>>93919378All right. Unfortunate, I wanted to use one torso but save the head for another model. Guess it's back to reconsidering my approach. Did find one stl for them that didn't include the head, but the quality looks rough and I wasn't eager to go for it if the resin kit had them separare.
>>93918559>Why does it seem like being a loyalist for mechanicum related armies only comes with downsides?Emps forbid all the things the cool kids do like creating skynet, sorcery, binding daemons, not paying taxes, the dark age of technology relics that work great, not paying taxes, creating factories whose product is suffering so you can breach the immaterium and escape in the waves... the waves.
>>93919400Also, the official kits are pretty annoying to work with. Pinning is required since a lot of them are hopping on one foot. I ended up kitbashing the rest of the squad because plastic is a little more forgiving
>>93919104>DA>loyalist
>>93918514>DAamazing because cheapest mass volkite in the game but can't be used in 5/6 rites of war>ECamazing because massed breaching 5+ on a squad with spite of the legion>IWbad because there's no section explaining that they have to be able to hurt the thing they shoot at meaning they will just waste their shooting phase>WSamazing because in sagyar mazan with fearless on the charge it's a free +1vp>SWbad because running and charging means sw units never have issues with distance in the first place>IFpretty good because the pinning is basically guaranteed to go off if you take two heavy bolters>NLpretty good because it's mass breaching 6+ without paying a tax like on the ec version>BAbad because you're replacing spite of the legion for potentially maybe getting fear 1>IHbad because +1ws is of dubious worth on tacticals and you're losing fury of the legion for the potential +1bs (this is worse than just firing twice)>WEbad because ravening madmen is the worst rule in the current edition>UMpretty good because they make the best msu option in the legion list with two meltas in a rhino without the cost/foc tax of veterans>DGbad because it's just worse than taking an ordinary tac squad with an apothecary with no other real benefits>TSbad because you're losing asphyx bolters and fotl for the potential to possibly get maybe one extra wound in a shooting phase (at the risk of blowing your unit up lmao)>SoHpretty good because they'll virtually always be near a ws5 unit in a soh list and so it's basically a free +1s on the charge, argually better than actual despoilers>WBbad because instead you can just make normal despoilers corrupted for a pittance>SLamazing because ws5 sergeant and two melta guns and half of preferred enemy (everything)>RGpretty good because they don't lose fotl which means they can dodge a charge without burning a reaction and then fire back next turn>ALamazing because free fotl on turn 2
>>93919539ran out of space to finish>WORTH TAKING DESPITE BEING A SUPPORT SQUAD IN MOST LISTSDA, EC, WS, IF, UM, SL>POTENTIALLY WORTH TAKING DESPITE BEING A SUPPORT SQUAD IN THE OCCASIONAL LISTNL, BA, SoH, RG, AL>NOT WORTH TAKING EVERIW, SW, IH, WE, DG, TS, WB
>>93919491Makes sense.Really I just want to try and find something similar to this guy's torso, which I know is Ashen Circle originally. I'm not concerned about the legs or head, both of which I planned on replacing anyway. But it sounds like it'll be more trouble than it's worth to try and do it from the resin kit.
>>93919539>iron hands inductii lose fury of the legion to risk D3 wounds to get BS5>imperial fists inductii, with their innate bs5, get to keep fury of the legion and also bring a one-in-ten heavy bolter as well because why notTruly, they are not all made equal.
>>93919580Maybe if their dad was still around he would've taught them better.
>>93919534That's the joke
>DSM 006.M31>My primarch! Your brothers betray you! We are outnumbered 8 to 3! You must do something my lord!>Worry not my son I shall use my expert sneaking and espionage skills to take out one of my brothers and put a critical dent in this rebellion before >BRILLIANT IDEA MY LORD! Taking out Horus before he ever reaches terra will be a >Im not taking out Horus.>Oh....well... perturabo is the logistical brains behind this heresy, taking out him would.>Im not taking out perturabo.>Mortarion or angron would be considerable foes having them out of the way would>Nope>Konnrad Curze or alpharius would be a wi>uh uh>......YOUR BROTHER FERRUS IS ABOUT TO DIE TO FULGRIM. HE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU AT LEAST TRIED TO->Na fuck ferrus.>Who does that leave?>Lorgar>You.....are going to try to assasinate Lorgar.....the priest....the weakest primarch who 's just.... there....>Yup and then Im going to fail there too and run away and spook Lorgar far far int the future.>*flies away*
>>93919588Maybe if we dragged the writers out of that hole GW makes them work in and beat 1 out of every 10 of them to death with sticks, they might learn how to write good rules again.
>>93919539>pretty good because they don't lose fotl which means they can dodge a charge without burning a reaction and then fire back next turnExplain?
>>93919539>>RGWhat?Their ability triggers when they get pinned, not when they get charged
>>93919580mp that's just French being a faggot combined with the Traitor Tax
>>93919896Well, the expectation is they'll be shot at and pinned in expectation of being charged the same turn. Their ability lets them ignore the pin and consolidate 7" backwards, fucking up the charging unit's position and then being in range to rapid fire FotL in the next shooting phase.
>>93919935so IF the enemy tries to pin a tac squad, rather than any more valuable unit, and IF they succeed in getting a wound (so, a loss of at least one model) and IF they fail the pinning check (which is unlikely) instead of being pinned, they run 7" in a direction the enemy can choose via smart positioning, all for the low low price of losing AA access, losing an FNP and stubborn on objectives, and no attached characters.It's such a niche situation, that the rule in and of itself is a neutral at best, and nowhere near the value of the rules they lose to get it. RG inductii are shit.
maybe i'll see you on the other side.it was a wild ride
>>93919967>IF the enemy tries to pin a tac squad,Yes you dubmass, pinning makes unable to score or deny objectives. It's really fucking useful against units with Line. Specially units with Line that deply on the objective on turn 1.>but muh AA and charactersliterally pointless against nemesis bolters, the main source of pinningYou clearly don't play against people who use pinning it at all
How bad of an idea is it to deploy some of your jump pack units (like regular assault marines) on the board and take advantage of their packs to move from there, instead of trying to deep strike everything with a jump pack? Seems like better odds of getting early charge(s) in exchange for being more vulnerable to enemy fire.
>>93920001if you're saying what you are implying don't do what you're about to doyou are loved anon, the ride doesn't have to end
>>93913026>Should FW update the older legion-specific units that will likely never see a plastic release?Absolutely not, if they do that, they will do the new GW bullshit where they have basically no compatibility with the other older models as well. So fuck no.
>>93920087>pinning makes unable to score or deny objectives. So does putting that unit 7" off the objective.>You clearly don't play against people who use pinning it at allNo, most people I play don't bother with pinning since only a few legions can make it reliable.>>but muh AA and charactersI'm going to be foolishly generous and assume stupidity over malice here.I'm not saying AA and characters will prevent pinning (though, both those can, in fact, reduce the chance of the unit being pinned), I'm saying that the general benefits of:- Not being support squad- Having access to AA- Having access to characters- Having Heart of the Legionmassively outweigh the benefits of Unchained Conviction.
>>93920100It's a better idea than deep striking them most of the time. Specially if there is enough terrain to hide behind as they advance. That Intercept reaction can fuck up jump pack units as they come in, even if it's a mere tactical squad shooting.Now that run moves add a fixed distance rather than anywhere from 1 to 6 inch, running melee units on foot has become loads more reliable.
>>93918849So is that giant snake on the right fulgrim? I wanna say it's the guy right of it since he has the long hair and what looks like Fulgrim's sword but if so who's the giant snake? Just a random chaos laer?
>>93920177It's a daemon from the books IIRC
>>93920177It's the native Cadian priestess who revealed the Primordial Truth to Lorgar, she got turned into a daemon prince for the effort. And yes it is indeed Fulgrim standing next to her.
Does anyone know the turn around time on wtg? Considering ordering a sabre and the full weapon set if that helps. Also, has anyone here magnetized a sabre, is it particularly hard? I've not seem any good pictures of the two connection points.
Call it a retarded but I think a fun Horus heresy AU idea would have the lion join the traitors but have luthor and his faction fight for the loyalists and his faction becoming the mainstream dark angels chapter by the time of 40k. What is essentially a mortal human being in charge of a legion and if the codex astartes would be the same with a human directly controlling a legion would change that
>>93920264>Its another what if luther was loyal and Lion was traitor postIts been done to death anon.
Is WTG actually legit? This website seems sketchy as fuck and the copyright hasn’t been renewed since 2020…
>>93920001Anon, don't actually kill yourself and make your last words be on some internet forum.If you're having a bad time, go talk to someone. Family, friends, some rando on the street, a priest. Literally anyone and find the help to make it through this.
>>93920115>>93920375JFC guys you all understand he is more then likely just talking about the game and system itself right? He is saying teh game has been a wild ride.
>>93920399We had a dude hurting himself and posting it in the general before. Can't really make assumptions.
>>93920409Anon its 4chan people make shit up all the time here.
>>93920412Lot of people make shit up a lot of the time.And sometimes they tell the truth.
>>93920357I ordered about a month ago from the .me domain, mostly as a test to see their quality.The order did arrive and is really good quality, had to do minimal cleanup. Will definitely buy from them again.picrel, it's the only thing I ordered
>>93920001fuck off. this isnt your blog.>>93920115>>93920375threads better off without him.
>>93920442How tf are these microbes T5 let alone use a multi melta or rotor cannon
>>93920442Fuck those are literally the thing I want to order too and they don’t look like trashFuck it I’ll give it a bash then, crossing my fingers this isn’t a scam and I’m about to get my account sapped of all its cash
>>93919378Ashy boy vs the Big SDid they even get to swing back before being wiped?
>>93920465>use a multi melta or rotor cannonGood news anon, they don't, because nobody is retarded enough to spend 10-25ppm to give a bs3 5+ save model a better gun. Or any gun for that matterThese little niggas are nothing more than ablative wounds for my the walking cortex controller magos to keep my calix shooting at what it should be shooting>>93920500>they don’t look like trashThey really didn't. Now I wish I took pictures of them before priming so I could show you.>crossing my fingers this isn’t a scam and I’m about to get my account sapped of all its cashI paid through paypal, Just send them an e-mail afterward with your order number and request a paypal invoice. If you're still paranoid, and live in the US you can use privacy.com to create single use cards to pay for shit. If you're not in the US, revolut has the same functionality.
>Myahaha!
>>93913587Deredeos aren't worth it for the points they cost this edition, IMO. The Sicaran Omega has better sustained fire and flexibility, the Scorpius has better anti-infantry fire, and the Castraferrum's lascannons are some of the most efficient anti-armor weapons point for point in the game. There are just too many better options. Losing the ability to split fire set it back quite a bit, meaning the Aiolos ML only works with the plasma guns and volkites.
I check gw's site and saw that the Krios Venator and Vultarax are sold out online in both the UK and the EU.Did anyone else notice this? Is it a very recent thing?
>>93920538>Just send them an e-mail afterward with your order number and request a paypal invoice.Do they respond fast? Was about to head off to sleep so don’t wanna potentially get my invoice denied or have it expire or something weird>because nobody is retarded enough to spend 10-25ppm to give a bs3 5+ save model a better gunT-the list I have planned features 3 tech priests and 10 automata with multi meltas in a triaros…
>>93920585As some one who has tried to run this thing multiple time,s its not worth it at all. 4 HP on a AV 13 gets SHREDED. A single Las canon can fuck you, and with how common HSS Las canons are, i have never once had any sicaren do anything worth while.
>>93920585Between the Deredeo and the Omega, I was planning on running both of them, separately. I just really like the look of the Deredeo and want to build the new one - I had a resin one back in ~2018-2019 that I sold and regret selling. There are better options but I like this option.
>>93920590It's been like that for at least 2 weeks.I would assume we're getting a new plastic one soonish.
>>93920593They responded in less than 12 hours to my paypal invoice requestI think I remember having 24hrs to pay for it>>93920593>T-the list I have planned features 3 tech priests and 10 automata with multi meltas in a triaros…I'm sorry I started blasting you caught strays, anon. For what it's worth I encourage you to follow your dreams and make that funky list!
>>93920593Just give them servo arms. 4 power fist attacks on the charge.
>>93919539DG inductii are good in the Drop Pod Assault ROW with three chem flamers. As DPs only have 10 capacity, their inability to take apothecaries is redundant, meaning they have an advantage over standard tacticals in DPs.
>>93920630>soonish.soon as in next few months, or soon as in "Melee weapons in spring" soon?
>>93920412NTA but I saw the thread when >>93920409 happened. This was not long after another anon was debating suicide, but is likely not the same person.
>>93920660I’ll have some time to sleep then sweet>For what it's worth I encourage you to follow your dreams and make that funky list!The list is planned to be a macrotek one so I wanted to try and find a way to make tech priests interesting…The cybernetica magos auxilia can target his own servo automata to give them +1BS or the “avoid first wound” buff, and then on top of that they’re guardians so they can react too…Idk thought it might be a fun way to storm objectives beyond just using more thallax…10 Multi-Melta’s is enough to make even a terminator unit stop dead in its track is what I thought>>93920671But they can’t charge after coming out of a triaros and they’re only moving 6” or 9” at best every turn…
numk3 is so bad its insane
I just remembered that they never published one of those primarch novellas for Horus. Kinda hecked up if you think about it.
>>93920660You dont even have to send them a request. They will send you an invoice within a day. They usually ship within a week after payment. Shipping is from china, so it takes a bit of time, depending on your location, but they provide a tracking link.
>>93920133>No, most people I play don't bother with pinning since only a few legions can make it reliable.And there you go. Your group ignores a huge part of the game mechanics so you think a unit that interact with it is shitBet you all think reactions are soooo broken and there's no way to deal with them either
>>93920728I don't think we even have assault vehicles anymore, those are marine only now. Anyways it's the most fun loadout and one of your only melee options.
>>93921066Oh, I don't ignore it. I use snipers quite a lot, the range and rending are very useful.I get a pin off maybe once every three games, and it's almost never significant.As for reactions, I agree they're strong on paper, but I've yet to have serious issues with them, no. But we also don't spam lascannon HSSs, which helps.
>>93920198I'm in the western US, usually gets to me in 2-4 weeks between order and on my doorstep depending on if he already has the pieces cast or not and size of order.
>>93921043>Expecting anon to read the instructions
Is 3d prints or third-party knockoffs the most cost-efficient way of building an army?
>>93921320Depends on the level of quality you'll accept and what you're looking for. The more niche it gets the less likely a good stl or cast model exists for it.
Is there a PDF for the Mars book?
>>93920603Sounds like you play with too little proper terrain. Locally the dreaded lascannon HSS aren't considered much of an issue anymore, and there's more people having issues with magna melta cannon predators and lascannon javelins.>Can't move and shoot, so it's easy to deploy your vehicles behind terrain where they can't be shot at>HSS have to deploy somewhere with plenty of LOS, meaning it's also easy to have LOS to them>The HSS just get killed turn one, and maybe kill something back with return fire>Vehicles are free to roam the board and do their thing afterA lascannon HSS dies just as easy as a 10 man tactical squad after all, which nobody is scared of. It's worth to sacrifice a unit to the return fire to remove them, and something like a deredeo with hellfire plasma has a good chance of neutralising them and survive the 10 lascannon shots.
>>93921102>Expecting anon to read
>>93921363One has not appeared here yet.
>>93921378sounds like you're playing with the 40k players's sloppy secondspost a photo of your mdf LOS blocking L's
>>93921378>and something like a deredeo with hellfire plasma has a good chance of neutralising them and survive the 10 lascannon shots.Barely. Certainly not the sort of thing you want to bet on.
>>93921449We play with several generations of GW's plastic ruins and house rule that all the bottom floor windows are closed, actually. Now post what terrain you are playing with.>>93921545Why not? A deredeo is cheaper than a 10 man lascannon squad, so even if the dreadnought dies it still traded up. It is a wargame after all, some sacrifices will have to be made in order to win.
>>93921608>Why not?Because (and this admittedly going off napkin maths/gut feeling) its "most of your dreadnought"/decent odds of it just dying for like half a HSS squad.
Do you take named characters (excluding primarchs) in your list?
>>93921320I love MKIV so much.
>>93919902>iron hands>traitorpardon?
>>93921676I don't have any lists seeing as I don't play the game, but I do invent new characters and funny little rule ideas to fluff up my designs.
>>93921631Don't forget the aiolos missile launcher, it's got a decent amount of shots with AP 3 and pinning.
>>93921676No, including primarchs. Why would I? The game isn't about "every major character of the entire heresy coming together on one planet to fight all the battles every time". It's about your dudes.
is 2 20 man tacs enough scoring for 3k?
>>93921748Bit on the low side, would advice for a third scoring unit. Preferably something that's a bit faster than footslogging marines. It can work if they got apothecaries and you do a bit of a think about which objectives to score and deny.
>>93921718I dont know how to really napkin out the big plasma beyond "it probably breaches like 5 of them", but if you assume theyre in a ruin (which face it, they are probably going to be) then the aiolos does just north of a wound (the breaches do just north of 3) - assuming it isnt just facetanked by a sergeant with artificer armor. Its certainly not a shot the HSS want to take, its going to hurt them a whole lot, but it also just feels like quite a risky shot for the deredeo.
>>93921788It takes about 12 lascannon shots to kill a deredeo in one go with BS 4. Lascannon HSS have 10.
>>93921812>It takes about 12 lascannon shots to kill a deredeo in one go with BS 4. Lascannon HSS have 10.Exactly, they probably wont kill it "on average" but theyre not very far off from that point, just a little bit of bad luck and thats a unit lost on your turn.
>>93921849The same goes for the HSS, a bit of bad luck with the cover saves and most of them will be gone. It's a game with dice in the end. And 5 lascannons still are gonna do a lot less damage in their turn than the full squad of 10.
>>93921876>The same goes for the HSS, a bit of bad luck with the cover saves and most of them will be goneTrue, but the variance has to be a fair bit higher. Dealing 20% more damage and dealing 100% more damage are different things after all. >And 5 lascannons still are gonna do a lot less damage in their turn than the full squad of 10.I cannot argue with that. But if those 5 lascannons already killed a dreadnought and then go on to menace a predator or something then theyve already made their points back. I feel like there has to be a better answer to HSS, scorpius, nemesis bolters, the big plasma gun for the predator, stuff they cant shoot back at.
>>93919654Bullies only pick on those weaker then them.>Back Bird Emo Boy can only pick on the weakest of all Primarchs But if he did kill off Lorgar then no Ruinstorm so the Ultramarine's and Blood Angles would have just cut down the rebellion cold
>>93921956It wasn't an actual choice to go for Lorgar, they were close to each other in the fight, and Corax ended up stepping in because Lorgar was slaughtering his men.
Why does no one play titanicus?
>>93921686Uhhh anon that's MkX, designed by Belisarius Cawl for primaris marines
>>93921849>>93921812What neather of you are taking into account is that fact that if you are going in a 1 on 1 situation, the las canon squad is also going to be return firing agianst that dread, so even if a full strength dread fires first on a full strength HSS with las canons god forbit they have anything thats boosting them. On average your going to have an almost dead dread vs an almost dead HSS.Really though this just goes back to HSS being able to react at full BS with return fire and overwatch being the problem child of the this edition.
>>93921915>I feel like there has to be a better answer to HSS, scorpius, nemesis bolters, the big plasma gun for the predator, stuff they cant shoot back at.There is.Heavy support weapons can only overwatch and return fire at BS1, maybe BS2 depending on the legion.Thats the main problem here, if you dont shoot at a HSS las canon unit, they are going to kill something, if you do shoot at them, you are going to get killed. Its suicide for a vehicle that is not AV14 to engage a heavy support squad with las canons Another option would be something like Fast attacks or fast vehicles have the casualties from their target removed before they do a return fire.
>>93918362Can you take those choices as compulsory? The troops part? So instead of tacticals you can bring the flamer dudes? I understand that correctly ya?
>>93922256All though they dont explicitly outline it, IMO, pyroclast become troops and fill the compulsory role. Seeing as how they also gain line. Thats how i would play it, and thats how i would house rule it.
>>93922256>>93922265If it's not specified they have to be non-compulsory (like the predators) you can assume they'd be permitted as compulsory troops.The exception here is the TSS - which is already a troop choice - but it doesn't specify they lose support squad, so they assumedly can't be taken in compulsory slots, but do gain line. It's poorly worded though.
>>93922253If you don't shoot at the HSS they're going to continue to kill stuff. And you can dictate what the HSS shoots at with return fire by shooting at them with certain units. Yes, you will lose some stuff, but killing the HSS marines is worth it. Again, their defensive stats are basically the same as a 10 man tactical squad.
>>93922302Ya I noticed the lack of losing the Support Squad special rule. But it says you can take them as troops which you already could. RAI seems to imply they can fill the compulsory slot with pyroclasts.
>>93922406That feels like reading a little too much into it to me. The Line definitely applies to both, but it doesn't mention losing support squad, and they've had several F.A.Q.s to fix it.
>>93921779hmm. 3 10 mans in rhinos or 2 20 mans with apothecaries?
>>93922419Makes sense. Them being line is cool and you might as well take one of the slots for pyroclasts. The other compulsory can be anything else. Plenty of good stuff available to throw in.
>>93922425If you're playing the new core missions from the Cthonia and Beta Garmon books, take the 20 man squads with apothecary, you really need the staying power. If you're only playing the old core missions from the main rulebook then three 10 man squads in rhinos will usually serve you better.
>>93918535Legitimately the best nu-Specialist Game. Also require at least 22% of a functioning brain to play, so it's wildly unpopular.
>>93918535Yes. It's so good that even years after it's had an actual new model release it's not only still supported but James spent money making it easier to access the terminals and weapon cards.
>>93921985I play around four games of titanicus a weekend. You need a better local. Best system GW ever put out
>>93919104Space marine helmets with empty eyes instead of lenses are so boss.
>>93922633>>93922828>>93922889>more titanicuspostinggoddammit those fucking stencils for my legio fureans cant come in the mail fast enough forgive me brothers I am too shit at freehand to paint the flames myself Q_Q
>>93918670what's ligmaballs?
>>93922931You are forgiven brother, transfers are the light and the way
>>93922889how are Knights in AT?From what I have seen, they die horrifically and usually can barely manage pyrrhic victories on the best of days, but they are also adorable and I have 11 at the moment, so......
>>93922998Knight lancers are really really good. They’re basically fire-and-forget cruise missiles, easily able to kill warhounds and reavers in melee combat. As long as you play smart and with sufficient terrain to keep them alive, a knight lance or household battle group can be fearsome. I personally can’t speak for the other knights, but if you ignore lancers and don’t drop some heavy fire on them they will ruin your day.
>>93921320Tortuga - and I say this as someone who's bought tons of their stuff and has defended them here in the past - and third party physical models generally desu, are never the most cost-efficient way. You buy third party because they're offering something you want whether that's a variation on an aesthetic or just correctly sized Marines.If you want cost-efficient, you spend ~500 quid on a nice 3D printer and all the accessories, set it up somewhere with an extractor fan or a big window you can open, and pirate as many of the STLs you want as you can find on public telegram groups(you can buy if you like, but a lot of the Marine-related creators have really jewish pricing schema where you'd end up paying a few hundred quid to get all the options). By the time you've printed one full army you'll have "paid off" the printer relative to buying even discounted GW minis and everything you print from then on is pennies of resin and a few pennies more of cleanup accessories.
>>93922998Knight households are apparently quite potent, but individual lances are easily destructible and even though they can do damage if they get into position that's a big if.
>>93923530Individual banners, excuse me.
nullificators doneI wonder why people don't take more disintegrators in their armies
>>93923654It’s hard to find a good unit to use them and uses in which to use them. Plus no official model outside of a custodes weapon
>>93923654>No official/easy access parts>Very limited number of units that can take them>Disintergrators are kinda shit when it comes down to itThey just don't have enough of a niche that they outperform all other weapons in to warrant the effort of bringing them.Disintergrators are hella cool though, I'll give you that.
>>93923654these guys look fucking awesome anon, great job
>>93923663>>93923672they seem perfect for killing terminators which are very widely taken this edition>ap2>many shots>range doesn't matter too much because their targets will want to get into melee>ID obviously>can be used against dreads in a pinchdisintegrators aren't as obviously strong as lascannons but they're fit a niche that's as big as a crater also 3d printing>>93923680cheers
>>93921320that is enterely 3d printed or only the legs?
Has anyone ordered knight models from Z before? Is it true he actually casts them in plastic?
>>93923530>>93923047So they are good if I can get them up to something but on open ground, they are going to get bonked, cool. I will try and use that information appropriately
>>93923763NTA but I also recall that the poryphon knights are (were?) brokenly OP
>>93923782They got relegated to a support slot, you can only take 2 maximum. I’ve never used or played against them, but the stories are that they are in fact broken. Enough so that taking 2 is considered bad form. Take that with a grain of salt though.
>>93923654disintegrators don't exactly grow on trees, Anon, but I do fancy a destroyer mortalis unit with them lead by a mortitat with loads of it.But you've made the kitbash look easy. They are an attractive unit but yikes, how many points is that?
>>93923709Disintergrators are kinda mediocre at killing terminators. Can't really bring enough of them to reliably kill more than two or three terminators, and the point cost of units that can bring disintergrators gets too high. Can often bring a unit with lascannons, melta weapons, or both for cheaper. Which will not only wound terminators more reliably, without risk of killing your own models, from much safer distance - but also deal effectively with enemy vehicles and dreadnoughts too.
>>93923917You cannot solve all of your problems by shooting lascannons at it, Anon.
>>93923782The poryphion still fires 4 large blasts of strength 10 ap 2 with twin-linked. With how rare weapons that fire even one large blast with such stats this edition, it arguably has become even more broken.
>>93923940The words of a man without enough lascannons.
>>93923940Bringing disintergrators creates more problems than it solves.
>>93923942post nerf I'm not sure if you can give them coordinated fire but S8 blasts are still hella deadly, and the conversion beamer one is fucking S9. At least you can only take a few now.Apparently the reason why the titan conversion beamer weapons are kind of ass is because the rules-writers overcompensated with being reasonable after the acastus debacle.
>>93923975ye but they are cool so that overshadows all other reasons.
Does anyone have the Primaris Bits User™ OP image, I need to rip the transparent face off that pic.
>>93920442Do the models come on sprue, as bits, or as a solid model?
>>93923654Cataphractii my beloved. Any advice on not fucking up the second pauldron layer when assembling?
>>93924026nvm, I got it.
>>93923914yeah it's pretty pricey at 360 for a squad of 5 + preysight and then another 250 something points for the LR>>93923917then you get called a queer>>93924108what do you mean exactly? just make sure the shoulder pads are touching the torso?
>>93924190Because there's just that small little ridge on the first layer of pauldron I found it difficult to keep the gap between the two layers consistent and even
>>93917920>Esteban VII, Estaban II and Istvaan III are all different planetsI hate GW names so goddamn much
>>93924213
>>93923917>>93923975You need some kind of ability to either offset their drawbacks or make them more effective at killing. TSons have Corvidae, WE have Crimson Path, UM have their LA ability, SA have master-crafted for each character, etc.
>>93924227how hard is it not to roll a 1? Git Gud.
>>93924203I literally have no idea what you're talking about, sorry anonbest advice I can give is to make it look natural
>>93924245>implying he brings loaded diceI get you're joking.
Just got my archmagos and tech thralls from the mail and I'm hyped to start my mechanicum army bros.I'm praying for a game one day where a group of tech thralls are able to achieve something monumental, whether it be the death of an important HQ or warlord, or being the deciding factor in a win or loss from a secured objective. I've no clue why I feel such passion for these little guys but I love them so.
>>93924349That's a positive, thing, Anon. Good job.Now get them a transport.
>>93924213>>93924213Man I might hate primaris like the next guy but that's actually funny as hell if the nerds got hit by a fastball from the popular kids.
>>93924368They will only get a taxi when I go up to 3k points. For my planned 2k points they'll be keeping my Archmagos and Dominus company, whereas the sole triaros taxi will be assigned to some Irradiation Engine Myrmidon Destructors
>>93924405
Honestly I'm half tempted to just get an allied Alpha Legion Detachment of 10 Legion recons and a delegatus with Nemesis bolter as an least slightly Lore friendly option to toss into my lists to deal with fucking Artificer Armor fags, since having actual recons doesn't fit neither my Dusk raiders or word Bearers and my mechanicum don't get snipers.
>>93920521>Did they even get to swing backNope all dead. BUT, sanguinius died later to fucking bolters of all things. Multiple tactical squads Fury of the Legion-ing. Great day for tacticals
>>93924213Medusa and Medusa V are on opposite ends of the Galaxy.
>>93924428I'm tempted to get another drink.
>>93924495banana milkshake
>>93924505Nah
>>93916731you can still deflagrate metal, it just takes more energy to get it to burn
>>93924462can't stop the bolter.
Bros... I'm doing 70+ fucking infantry models and I'm at the chipping weathering stage. Will it really make a big difference in time and paint usage if I batch paint them at this stage? Have done in all previous stages, but the chipping shit is seriously soul draining
>>93924793Do it. You made your choice.
>>93924793Chipping is kind of a weird and overhyped technique, so if you're at the point where you need strangers to tell you things just be done. Otherwise post the actual models and we'll engage further
>>93924793Do it the way it gets done broski
>>93924262As an owner of the anniversary release of axis and allies board game, which valves attacking and defending using loaded dice, I’m very offended that you’d even suggest I use those nice glossy black dice for warhammer.
>>93924793If you want to do it faster use a sponge
>>93923654I'm making some, but I have so many projects. Did you 3d print the guns?
>>93925100no they're just recasts
>>93921956>But if he did kill off Lorgar then no Ruinstorm so the Ultramarine's and Blood Angles would have just cut down the rebellion coldBullshit.Kor Phareon and Erebus would do it regardless it was alredy planned and in fact nobody needed Lorgar. Only thing that would not happen would be Anrgon being turned into daemon but this is still a maybe.
reminder that mkVI during the entire heresy is now canon
>>93925572same for the traitors
>>93925572Didn't the Raven Guard always have Mk VI from the start of Heresy?
>>93923663The new orrus spyrers have a disintegrator option. Not that it's usable because it's mounted to a gauntlet, but it's at least a visual example of a non-custodes disintegrator.
>>93925644At the very least, they were the ones who had the prototypes deferred to them by Perturabo and probably had plenty of the final design. Wasn't the Alpha Legion also said to have stocks of the stuff?
>>93925572>>93925588>MK VIIWhy? Entire point of MK VII is that after using MK VI for combat legions wanted something even more streamlined and easier to manufacture and repair, so on Terra MK VI was turned into MK VII.It make no sense to have MK VII in works when MK VI is still field tested and new.>reminder that mkVI during the entire heresy is now canonIt was canon since long ago, IF took a lot of MK VI from Mars when they retreated and MK VI was field tested during late crusade, with IW and Salamanders hating it and RG loving it. Not to mention we have AL and DA using it in early heresy.
>>93925695the martian stores was retconned to mkIV prior to this
>>93925682Yes, Alpha Legion stole the schematics and started their own production line.
>>93925711When? It was always MK VI.
Plastic MKV WHENThen MKIIThen MKIV... Then MKVIII
>>93925796MKVII*
>>93925572>nowAlways has been.
>>93925695MkVII is just the MkVI project (which started as the MkV project) finalized. The two suits are mechanically nigh identical, which is why both kept in loyalist service to M41. The MkVI as rushed into service while the project was finalized on Terra as the MkVII.All this is of course the original versions. As lore ends where capitalism begins, GW just has to have their new models sold to everyone and suddenly MkVI was in use before even the MkV, and somehow the MkVII was a separate suit also in development. Why they couldn't just say prototypes were in service prior to and during the early Heresy, before production models got pushed out, is a mystery to me.
>>93925888>Why they couldn't just say prototypes were in service prior to and during the early Heresy, before production models got pushed out, is a mystery to me.But, >>93925834 seems to indicate just that?
>>93925759mech novel
>>93925572>for the first time, the Black Sword took the lives of Space MarinesNigger what the FUCK are they talking about? Soggy got his special beatstick during the Siege. We LITERALLY JUST HAD A BOOK ABOUT THIS!
>>93925922Then it was rerectoned back to MK VI, because Black Books and current Heresy Rulebook mentions MK VI, so is WD article about armors, iirc Corax books also say about MK VI taken from mars.
>>93925892Now it's that production examples were shipped out just prior to HH.
>>93925572The timing for the Black Sword is wrong. Wasn't Sigismund using a chainsword or a power sword during this period?
>>93926047It was, uhhh... a prototype!
>>93925948>>93926047He have it on model and in rules so he have it in combat too. Maybe he borrowed it from female custodes or something.Same situation as with Fulgrim model, Fulgrim is using Laer Blade despite using Hammer during duel and for most of his time he used fireblade and gave Laer Blade to Lucius after he got possessed.
>>93926047>>93925948>Soggy got his special beatstick during the Siege.Hasn't he had The Black Blade (blade...blade...blade...) since the Crusade? The description says it is of unknown provenance and that it HAS killed alien warlords with itHow come Sigismund used it to kill xenos with it if he only recieves it until the Siege?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p1yaNC1mNg
>>93926143>You should use whatever headcanon you wishBased
>>93925948>>93926143BL is not canon
>>93925796Plastic Outriders when?
>>93918302When I run 3 Tartarus terminator champs ,of them as WE all with Raving Madman :^)
>>93925796That dude on the left could really use a glass of water
>>93925796>... Then MKVIIII know it was a typo, but aren't the Death Watch Veterans the same size and scale as modern Mk VI and III?
I love these little niggas like you couldn't believe. Smol, cute horrors beyond my comprehension. Neat
>>93926621Slightly smaller, and a bit lanky.
>>93925572Is it just me or is this written like shit?
Looks like they actually updated some salamanders stuff and forgot to make the changes in magenta Also the adherents thing doesn't work since Pride is Our Armour prevents you from taking troops
Thoughts on using Myrmidon Destructors as a base for character conversions, specifically Magos Dominus?>Come with little wiggly mechatendrites that could count as a machinator array>Shock Charger could be converted slightly to be an in-built power weapon arm>Gun arm can be removed and replaced with a printed arm, more mechatendrites or could even keep the gun if going with the right load out>>93926662Yours are very cute anon. I’m looking forward to hopefully grabbing some of my own soon and seeing them scuttle across the board
>>93926734Peak HH 2.0 writing.
>>93926751You could but it's a bit boring.
>>93926711That's a recurring theme with this edition it seems.
>>93926734Wtf? He’s usable now? Did they fix any of the other salamander shit? This is cool!
>>93926786xiaphas jurr has the same adherents thing as cassiandreygyur gets an extra attack and stubborn near cassian
>>93926734Any other changes in 1.3?
>>93926814Adherents are sweet! And they give the dress battlesmith so he can do his thing. I like these changes quite a bit.
>>93926751I think myrmidon secutors would probably make more sense
>>93926734Wait a minute, you’re right. How the fuck are you supposed to take adherents if you have no troop slots due to the Pride is Our Armour?!
>>93926734Is this the only thing they changed?
>>93926817>>93926863Seems they made similar rules for taking them with blackshields for a couple other shattered legions characters. Search 'Blackshields' and they come up. Idk about anything elseAll the unusable units seem to still be awful
>>93926857Adherents are a Salamanders unit. Not a blackshields unit. You're forgetting that Blackshields can't use legion-specific units at all.
>>93926881Anon read the rules they just posted...
So you're telling me I can give a Moritat two disintegrators, and then exchange his chainsword for a plasma, to really hammer home that he's done with living? Would he be able to use all three in Assault for the one turn before his pistols blow up in his face?
>>93926881Pride is our armour removes troop slots. Where are you going to put adherents into?
>>93926901I'm flipping between the 1.1 and 1.3 rules, my bad.Even so, it's still fucked.
>>93926952Where's he gonna get the third hand to fire the plasma from
>>93926963Servo arm
>>93926963>>93926983Basically. I saw this image and was struck by an idea
>>93926952Not unless it's the other guy's turn and he's making Reactions, because he can't do the thing and Charge in the same turn; but they're all the same used as basic ccw. And there are no generic Reactions that allow you to shoot in the enemy Movement phase, nor is he likely to get a Return Fire opportunity unless someone's going to Charge him.
>>93926734>still doesn't have the Cybertheurgist Sub-type>literally cannot use his Cybertheurgic ArcanaAdherents may be getting an update to Elites? they are kind of bullshit goodor maybe they got confused between Adherents and Sanctifiers, I know you guys did that a lot too, come on, be honest
>>93927069Well if he's not going to make the most of them, I'll give the plasma to a despoiler sarge. Someone is being handed two plasmas, and my Moritat already has disintegrators
>>93925888the final battle for Mars was won by the traitors like a year into the war tho
>>93927119the new rules mention removing support squad so they actually meant adherentsalso the whole sacred flame shit
>>93927179Well, it's good to know they can go in the non-existent compulsory troop slots as well as the non-existent non-compulsory troop slots.
>>93926952>>93927026You can only fire 2 pistols unless you have firing protocols
where can I read the new supplement?
>>93926662Done with the magos, tooVery fun to paint models all in all, I regret not ordering more mech shit. Oh, well, guess I can wait three weeks.
>>93927119Maybe? I just appreciate the effort but don’t appreciate the half effort. BTW he can use the full cybertheurgic arcana now can’t he? They gave him battlesmith, so he should be able to as far as I know. I could be wrong. Thoughts?
>>93927393>he can use the full cybertheurgic arcana now can’t he?If you ignore the part where he isn't a cybertheurgist, then yea. They fixed that part at least
>>93927026don't forget as an independent character you could also give it a combi disintegrator
>>93927563>>93927563>>93927563
>>93923917>Disintergrators are kinda mediocre at killing terminatorsFor NL its 1/2 shots wounding on 2s with instant death (assuming you outnumber). So its pretty decent. For IW you could do that stupid reaction fire shenanigans someone discussed a thread or so back and just make a hedgehog that those varanguard/deliverers/custodes/whatever are really not going to want to charge
>>93926751
