>>94252971
you fucked up the subject line

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Marik! Marik! MARIK!

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Honour the Eagle!

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>>94252975
brb, killing myself in shame

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>>94252971
stick em up bucko or taste 4 LPLs

>>94252602
That anon forgot the Clint. Fragile and undergunned and filled with proprietary garbage that makes it expensive to keep running unless you do overhauls to rip that shit out. It's actually pretty decent if you treat it as a bug mech, though. Kinda like the Assassin that way.

Raven has a reputation as a failure in-setting, at least early on. The Cyclops is considered old and busted since almost all of the advanced command computers are long, long gone. Centurion had a mixed-to-poor reputation and almost went out of production at one time, thanks in part to a shonky autocannon. The Jackrabbit had a reputation in the toilet thanks to being a piece of shit AND being used by Amaris's forces. Rakshasa is widely regarded as a disappointment. Teddy K was disappointed to be issued a DRG-1N Dragon, indicating some ambivalence to the design despite it being totem mech. The Nova, Hunchback IIC, and Kit Fox are all ill-regarded during the invasion era by Clanners. The Daboku was considered a hideous, humiliating failure (and it is). The Wolf Trap is also considered an overbuilt and weak embarrassment (which it kinda is, don't use it against Clan mechs). The classic quads - Scorpion and Goliath - both have poor reputations; quads are looked down on by mechwarriors in general and the Scorpion in particular is infamous for its rough ride.
>>94252996
You tagged it properly, which is more important.

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>>94252971
It's about time to purify BT art of single-shot shoulder-fired missile launchers, I say.

They have no role in anti-armor duty.

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New mechs in early 3000s:
>Davion & Steiner
Super Wasp (failure, not produced)
Super Griffin (failure, not produced)
Hatchetman

>Outworlds Alliance (& Steiner)
Merlin

>Marik
Cronus

>Kurita
Daboku (Failure, reworked)
Grand Dragon (Arguably nothing but a Dragon variant)
Hatamoto-Chi

>Liao
Raven
Cataphract

>Sue's Dragoons
Marauder II

Am I missing anyone?

>>94253059
>posts a launcher that has zero anti-armor capability
Infantry SRMs make sense because, unlike in table top, they can be aimed.

>>94253135
Oh shit, I forgot:

>Steiner
Wolfhound

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Should we create our own /btg/ channel and make BT content?
Sort of like Black Pants Legion?

NEA has experience educating and filming instructional videos, right?

NEA could be our Tex.

We could do 'Mech videos, lore videos, even BatRep videos.

>>94253135
interesting that the Capellans were driving innovation the most

>>94253135
>>94253142
>Davion & Steiner get 1 good mech, 1 OK mech, and 1 terrible mech
>Marik gets 1 OK mech
>Kurita gets 2 good mechs and 1 worthless mech
>Liao gets 1 good mech and one bad mech
>Fagoons get 1 superb mech

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>>94253225
Such is always the way of the superior people.

>>94253225
>>94253256
The Davions/Steiners get the Merlin, Wolfhound, and Hatchetman, though. Sure the Hatchetman is a piece of shit, but so is the Raven. Meanwhile the Wolfhound and Cataphract are both good and the Merlin's alright.

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>>94253059
Nah, get fucked.

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HONOR THE DRAGON!!

>>94253229

To be fair the Marauder II is a certified Davion CHADmech with Julian Davion running around in one with Clan ER PPCs.

>>94254140
Mad II in that era was Dragoons-exclusive. Now everyone has it.

>>94253225
In the Capellans case it was desperation, they had something like 5 mech production lines left? They where basically down to pumping out Vindicators, Thunderbolts, and Urbies, as well as a few bugs, the Cataphract was the result of them taking 4 semi-functional mech lines and cludging them together to make a frankenmech that turned out to be so good it became a regular production machine. The Raven came a little later, after they had got some industry up and running again, and needed a testbed for this new E-War gear they had made.

>>94253145
Gods man, if you had suggested this 5 years back then maybe, but today? nah, too many weenies here trying to be le ebic edgy 4chinner.

Anyway, 2 batreps to come because I finally have time to do them.

>>94254239
I don't know that it would have worked 5 years ago, but it would probably have had better odds yeah.

>>94254239
Were things really that much better?

>>94253145
You're free to try this but I doubt NEA would be onboard and I definitely won't be. Putting videos on the internet was a mistake and I won't contribute to there being more videos.

>>94254287
That is a bold assertion. I'm not sure if I agree, I do think overall the dissemination of knowledge is a net positive, but at the same time I do kinda feel like the world would be better if some content wasn't readily available on the internet. Care to elaborate on your position? I'm interested.

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Headshot ran a Halloween game. 5 of us, Headshot, myself, Wheels, Stonk, and Atlas(new guy, nickname tbd)
Its been 2 weeks so I dont remember the mech variants, but I had a Shadowhawk 8L and a Royal Sentinel, Headshot had a Rifleman, Griffin (proxied by a Wolverine), and a Wraith, Wheels had Clan mechs, Stonk a Hatchetman, Centurion, and Blackjack Omni, Atlas a Vindicator, Griffin, and Hunchback (borrowed from me).

The objective was to gain VP by exploring the map and flipping the objective markers over, which gave differing levels of VP, but also risked raising the noise level. Which was bad.
Anyway, the first turn sees us all move on, I split my mechs to let the Sentinel cover my Shadowhawk, whilst the others move in and grab some VP's, and both Pherome cans get popped, which let the scary marker be moved by them.
2nd turn and I know I need to grab VP's so I split my forces. My Shadowhawk grabs an objective aaanannnddddd its a Noise Maker. No VP and my noise level is now really high. Stonk and Atlas are sweeping up VP with Wheels just behind them.

>>94254358
"Noise"?

>>94254317
Not really, it's not battletech related and doesn't belong here.

Anyway, new map campaign round Monday. Will post updates.

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>>94254358
As the big bad runs towards me, I decide to turn and move my mechs toward Headshot whom has placed his Rifleman to cover his flank, knowing my faster mechs can pass it and "brush" the contact off on to it. Sadly, I am not fast enough and the monster catches up and reveals itself! Thankfully my mech gets away with only most of its RL armour gone.
Meanwhile, the others gather more VP's.

>>94254390
Noise. Firing weapons increases the noise level.

>>94254262
Aye, it is sad.

>>94254273
Mate, it was a different place. The toxic culture from /40kg/ had not spread here yet, the board itself was friendlier, a lot of the generals had a nicer atmosphere, and there where multiple Secret Santas every year. I've been here long enough to see the boards golden years and its decline into the culture war battleground/reddit colony it is now. Its sad.

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>>94254433
The big bad vanishes after ravaging my mech and the counters, which are now all up, are reset. Headhshots Rifleman limps away, having taken a Gauss hit to the leg, and my mechs scatter to prevent a heavy fight, running to the centre. as Wheels and Atlas continue to skirmish, moving to the centre too. Stonk, meanwhile, enters the compound, and finds a large agricultural complex filled with dead bodies, and thousands of tiny pumpkins with glowing eyes feasting on the dead and those pumpkins that are injured or weak.

>>94254395
Bit of a cop out, but ok fair. Any good games recently? New mechs?

>>94254433
Christ, every time I see your name you are confidently stating something completely wrong. 4chan has never been a good website, and 5 years ago was 2019. /tg/ was somewhat insulated from gamergate and trump but not by that much.

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>>94254499
Added a Firestarter and Strider to Naginata's Omni Company. Last game i played was the one last weekend where my FWL medium lance took on the Steiner assault lance. Most notable for me using infantry as juicy bait ti draw his Warhammer out of position

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>>94254518
Plus I started on my Dawn Guards a few days ago. No progress since this picture, been working.

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>>94254480
Another pherome canister is found and the big bad counter begins to move towards me. I finally score some VP (having uncovered a series of "nothings") only to hit a Noise maker. Again.
As the monster is revealed the others know they have a urn and go weapons free, though not many hits are scored. The Blackjack Omni under Stonks control takes a PPC hit from Atlas, and my Mercury takes a couple of hits, but nothing else really happens. Gunnery rolls are very bad this turn.

>>94254501
>4chan has never been a good website
It was a good website, your just too young to remember those days. Remember when /tg/ was the "get shit done" board, and wrote multiple game systems? Dive into the Sky, Adeptus Evangelion, Lancer (was originally written here, got subverted later), CATastrophe, Blam, ..... The list is long and varied in quality. We had Secret Santas, threads had culture, the board was healthier. The same goes for many other boards, I remember when /out/ was a slow, interesting, board before lockdown saw a spike in interest from outsiders. Now look at it.

>>94254518
Just added a gladiator myself. Love the print. Need to keep working on my painting.

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>>94254551
Oops...
Stonk's Centurion made the mistake of running and turning on a paved road. His prone mech is promptly swarmed by hungry pumpkins, but survives.

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>>94254564
Moving on, my Sentinel limps away as Headshots Rifleman moves away and Stonk tries to get up to support his Centurion which is in immediate danger. Everyone goes weapons free, although Atlas and Wheels do not do much, being too concerned with moving to the fight and gathering objectives respectively. Stonk's Centurion takes a battering and goes down, the pilot down to one wound remaining thanks to an ammo blowout, and my Sentinel is killed by the combined fire of Stonk's Axeman and Blackjack, and a Gauss crit the pilot passing out from the blast. My return fire does damage, but nothing critical.

>be enjoying a lovely autumn day on my brand new porch
>a foul smelling, red-haired manlet with shambles toward my house where I smoke my cigars smuggled from my communist guerilla friends in Cuba
>oh no, it's Davion man
>cautiously greet him with a smile on my face
>YOU MADE SURE HOUSE DAVION WINS IN ILCLAN, RIGHT?
>tell him that I can't give away spoilers
>HOUSE DAVION HAS THE BEST ECONOMY AND STRONGEST MILITARY DUE TO FREEDOM, THEY NEED TO BE STRONGER THAN THE OTHER GREAT HOUSES ESPECIALLY THE COMMIE CAPPIES
>explain that the Capellan Confederation is the strongest great house because firstly, the Federated Suns bled to repel the Clans and the Blakists while the Sun Tzu Liao rebuilt his nation's economy with decades of relative peace
>and secondly, the Capellan model of service guaranteeing citizenship and loyalty to a central ruler is superior to the constant civil wars of the Mariks and Davions
>BUT DON'T YOU SEE THAT'S COMMUNISM? DAVIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOOD GUYS!
>I explain that firstly, the morally right faction has not always prevailed in real life
>and secondly, there are unambiguously evil Davions (Caleb) and heroic Liaos (Kai)
>at this point Davion man begins to screech incoherently
>he grabs a lighter and a can of gasoline out of his broken down 50s jeep and threatens to burn down the new porch that I embezzled good money to build
>with no other choice, I open my computer and write that Davion miraculously reclaimed New Avalon, New Syrtis and Robinson and the Capellans are about to lose to Clan Wolf (whose ilKhan is part Davion)
>the end

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>>94254610
The game comes to a close. Atlas's Vindicator, with TSM active, gets in close with its sword and takes a swing at Atlas's evading Blackjack, whislt his Hunchback misses its AC20 shot.
The Axeman and my Shadowhawk agree to a truce, and tagteam Headshot. I take out the Riflemans leg, and Stonk does the same to the Griffin, the Wraith having been downed by a freak shot last turn. But time is up and it is time for the chips to be counted.
Stonk had won decisively, followed by Atlas, then Wheels, then Headshot, whilst I lost hard on VP's (goddamn 'no points' and Noise makers). The game was fun and seeing as Headshot put it together in half an hour after work it was a decent scenario for a laugh.
I am sorry that this is not more detailed, its been 2 weeks and I can't remember much about the game.

>>94254652
Davion man is right

>he remembered how to post games instead of shit takes
impressive

>>94254652
Davionman didn't know about the fall of new avalon, that came after the incident.

>>94253145
>NEA has experience educating and filming instructional videos, right?
>NEA could be our Tex.
After the shitposting disasters which were the BTGTRO (both times) and Space Poland, plus the repeated shitposting and mass reporting batreps and the people trying to dox NEA and rooting for his kid with cancer to die, I don't think NEA is going to go much out of his way to help anyone anymore. And I don't think he would be welcome to make videos, either. People here would shitpost them to death or try to force their personal memes, and I don't think NEA would be willing to compromise his views on Battletech to appease the woke types elsewhere, not to mention the Bryan Youngs of the the world. Yeah, he's articulate and a practiced speaker, and he knows the game possibly better than anyone alive, but he's also still a channer and is willing to call a cunt a cunt, and that's not acceptable to the wokies.
>also, he's a tenor, and nobody wants to listen to a tenor speak. Men in public speaking roles need to be baritones or basses to be taken seriously.

>>94254808
>Men in public speaking roles need to be baritones or basses to be taken seriously.
Let's not forget the most important part - he isn't rich.

I’ve heard a few people on the internet now describing the Clans as a bunch of smooth-brained idiots (with clan smoke jaguars as having the smoothest brains of them all).

Now I don’t know much about the clans, beyond what a certain fedcom cartoon has portrayed. Namely a hyper-fixated warrior society fashioned off ancient Sparta (warts and all) with disturbingly advanced technology.

So, if you please, elaborate, what makes the clans seem so cripplingly moronic to the rest of the informed fandom?

>>94254877
They make dumb decisions occasionally and people meme on this

>>94254877
Anyone following any rules of warfare is a moron. There is no such thing as honor. There is only someone who wins and someone who loses, and anything you do that makes you more likely to be on the losing side is moronic by definition.

>>94254877

They could easily have won, but they insisted on fighting single combats, bidding to win battles with the smallest numbers possible, and declaring their forces and objectives before attacking because it's the "honorable" thing to do. This kind of thing worked to prevent infrastructure damage warring with other Clans who held to the same code of honor, but got the Clans ambushed and humiliated over and over again by proper armies until they were forced to rethink their strategy.

>>94254877
>elaborate, what makes the clans seem so cripplingly moronic
They do not share my traditional Christian values regarding behavior, relationships, and sexual conduct.

>>94254877
Honor-based warrior societies are moronic by definition, anon. It's true in Star Trek. It's true in Stargate. It's true in Battletech.

>>94254877
Anything which makes the Capellan Confederation less likely to win the setting is stupid. I don't want there to be any competition to my faction winning everything

>>94254877
>have centuries of peace and technological advancement
>spend them regressing into a grug society dreamt up by a nepo baby with literal brain damage
>throw a war against troglodytes with museum pieces despite having the initiative
>then galvanize them into reforming the star league cucking you out of your prophesied destiny and having them invade YOU and win, murdering the clan who led the invasion
slight retard

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I can fix her

>>94255078
But should you?

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>>94254877

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>>94255078
But whatever is wrong with her is way hotter, right?

>>94253281
The Merlin is an Outworlders mech, the Wolfhound is niche 3rd War implement and the Hatchetman is a step backwards.

>>94255095
Yes, it is the morale imperative of every Inner Sphere soldier to dick down as many clan women as possible. It is a morale imperative and necessary step in the defeat of the clan way of life. It is a dangerous mission and many won't survive but that is the way of life for any soldier who defends his state.

>>94255103
I wonder if Bolin was with the solahma clusters that perished defending Huntress

>>94255095
Yes.
>>94255129
Nah.

>>94253749
Whats the mech thats done up like an ashigaru?

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Are the Jengiz and Sabutai a decent ASF point to support a star?

>>94255285
Rokurokubi

>>94255287
Any Omnifighter can be. Jengiz A and Sabutai C are quite capable of ground support.

>>94255382
What about a Kirghiz?

>>94255459
That one's a harder sell, since it was actively being replaced with Jengiz. You might get some mileage out of Kirghiz C if you use it as an Elemental bus and then just zip around potshotting shit with the UAC/20 and ERPPCs after you dump off the kids to play, but it's results may vary.

>>94255506
Yeah all it's variants seem fucking stupid.

I'm using them for Ghost Bears, so I'll probably find some way to shoehorn it in, but all the variants seem to want way more ammo than they take into battle.

>>94255506
>use it as an Elemental bus
Did they ever fix the rules for that officially?

>>94255553
>seem to want way more ammo than they take into battle.

That's typical clan dueling thinking.

>>94255553
Kirghiz is the worst about it. It either has too little ammo space for long fights, or too few heat sinks to be an energy boat. Just a poorly-thought out design, probably a stopgap product that overstayed its lifespan.

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I'm so fucking tired of groundtruthing my catalog, boys. Only 2 discrepancies so far but I'm ready to just break out the whiskey. Scratch that, already have.

I had a technical grog question though. I have an ultrasonic cleaner for my resin prints. I need to strip a bunch of old metal. How best to make use of that tool? Flammable stuff isn't good in the vat. Should I soak the minis in acetone, then drop them in an alcohol bag and run the cleaner? I don't want to run acetone in there directly and it would melt the ziploc bags for a smaller thing.

Simple green ain't enough to strip some of this enamel.

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Which Thunderbolt variants do you guys consider the best?

>>94255103
This guy makes 40k Orks seem like tactical geniuses by comparison.

>>94255663
-5SE. Jump Thud.

>>94254877
It's less smooth brained and more hidebound and specialised.

In straight combat, they absolutely demolished the IS. We're talking taking on almost 7:1 odds and killing or destroying almost 90% of the opposition, repeatedly, even for the Smoke Jaguars who were the least adaptable Clan possible.

Defeats only occurred with massive fiat, trickery, or both- the Dracs lied about who some of their most elite units were to lure the Jags into an ambush and the Dracs produced eight extra regiments out of their ass and still barely won at Luthien, and Kai burying the Falcon Guard stopped them burying the whole AFFC task force in a shallow, unmarked grave.

When the IS took out the Jags, they did so with near-perfect intel and at least a 3:1 numerical advantage, probably closer to 4 or even 5 to one considering how understrength the Jags were by that point.

The IS didn't beat the Clan logistically or, really, strategically. The Clans beat themselves politically by focusing on intra-clan vendettas after Tukayyid. With the exception of Bulldog and the Great Refusal, the Clans still casually dumpstered the IS in battle. And even the Jags were able to run a years-long logistical chain and make good losses immediately for years for dozens of Clusters on over 80 worlds before attrition finally told; the IS sent nine and a bit Regiments to one planet for their invasion and that failed.

You can say that their way of doing things is dumb, and there are things that probably count. But if it's dumb and it works, how dumb is it really?

>>94254927
SG specifically shows that fighting with honour carries a moral weight with it that gives you an advantage. When the team went to the Nazi planet and discovered that the advanced society they met was in the middle of a race war that they were winning, O'Neill told them to get fucked because he hoped they'd die and they left. If they'd had assets like Daedalus at the time they would have intervened.

>>94255663
5S gets respect for being the OG swiss army knife. The 5SSS is a fun toy.. 7M is a solid refit kit.

Everything else good is either some SLDF Royal Unicorn, merc special toy, or some Project Phoenix heresy.

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>>94255668
He was a proper Jag.

>>94255236
Nope. He fucked up his back and legs so badly that he could no longer serve as a Warrior at all. Maybe Paramilitary (police) caste or sent to be a tech or something.

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>>94255707
I like to think he wound up some shitty Klusterfucker bureaucrat.

>>94254877

The biggest retard move of the clans really was not listening to Clan Star Adder and deploying all of the Clan at once. This not only meant that the IS invasion was gimped, but also caused the WoR later.

>>94255555
Haha, no. Why would they fix the rules for something that the fluff says that fighter was capable of doing when they can instead have the Magistracy field the first BA fighter taxi?

>>94255663
-5Sb is a killer design.
3025? -5S and -5SS.
3050+? -7M, -7E, -9NAIS, -9W, and -60-RLA

>>94255555
>Did they ever fix the rules for that officially?
No, and they've said that there's no plans to any time in the future. Aerospace isn't a priority for the devs. So you can't legally use a Kirghiz C to airdrop Elementals.

>>94255663

There's a lot of Thud Variants, which makes the question more if you like the Steiner Menu of thuds or the Marik menu.

Or if you're cheesy, the Falcon Thuds.

Actually, I am curious, which Thud upgrades do people like more, the S variants or the M?

>>94255729
It was going back to the Homeworlds for the Grand Kurultai. At the rate they were advancing, they would have been on Tharkad and Luthien by early 3051 and on Terra by the end of 3051. The IS never would have recovered.

They had the tech but not the precedent to do it in real time virtually.

>>94255722
That sign on the trash bin is great

>>94255762
God, I need to scan the "20km to Imperial City" road sign page with an elemental from my Mechforce magazines.

>>94255743
>Magistracy field the first BA fighter taxi

As the person who wrote that fighter taxi, the *JOKE* was supposed to be that the MoC also didn't have any jump-capable battle armor. At that time, the only BA suit the MoC had any significant access to was the Trinity series, and the Theseus doesn't jump. Therefore the ASF design was a failure, which is why it only appeared as a record sheet in an upgrade book.

They've been retroactively given full access to IS Standard BA since then, which makes the joke a lot less funny.

>>94255762
This was the main problem. Even with the downtime between the waves, it wasn't long enough to allow the IS recoup the tremendous damage that was being done to them when the fighting was on.

That, and it allowed Comstar time to consolidate and prepare for Tukayyid. I think. I can't remember if the knew about Terra at that point, or if Ulric told them later.

>>94255823
Did they ever make a mechanical distinction between the production IS Standard and the NAIS "Gorilla" suits?

>>94255849

IIRC, the OG Gorilla suits (not the exoskeleton) could only carry half the armor of an IS Standard, don't include an IFAK for the user, and they were much more limited on firepower. Maybe only a single modular weapon mount? It's been *forever* since I've even thought about those things.

But yes, there was a mechanical distinction between them. You'd need to get a hold of a copy of ClanTroops to be 100% sure, though. That's the only place they've ever been statted out.

Is there any good introtech -#L variant?
>Other than the BL-7-KNT-L which I'm not sure why it has -L at the end

>>94255842

Honestly Tukkayid was the biggest, finallest fuckup.

I'm actually curious why the Clans as a whole bungled it so bad - doesn't Tukkayid take place after shit like Twycross, Luthien and Wolcott? The clans should absolutely have been prepared for some fuckery. "The Wolves deliberately let everyone else lose as a joke" only goes so far.

>>94255891
The "Hothammer" Warhammer is good

>>94255891
The Jumping Crud and the Hothammer are legendary and I will hear no slander otherwise.

>>94255894
>Rooftop Alacorns

>>94255891
L is for Laser.

Unrelated but I noticed today that the Nightstar can actually be dropped down to SW tech and it's still excellent. Armor is untouched. 17 SHS. 2 AC/10s. 1 PPC. 2 medium lasers. 1 small laser. Still a beast. Arguably better since it doesn't have an XL engine to get critted into oblivion.

>>94255911
You can get basically the same experience with that 2 PPC, 1 AC10 banshee

>>94255894
In that case, they still mostly trusted Comstar. They had been used as garrison forces during the invasion up to that point, and they were still the only vestige of the Star League that still existed in the Inner Sphere. That's why the Clans allied with them in the first place. Comstar was tentatively enthusiastic about REVIVAL, at first at least. Here finally was the answer to their constant prayers: a bit of the Star League reborn, with even more advanced weaponry and capable mechwarriors than the SLDF left with. They kinda just ignored the whole Clans thing and hoped they weren't too weird being 1000 lightyears away for almost 300 years. The Clans had no reason to believe that Comstar, of all the spheroids, would be bargaining in bad faith. And even then, with Comstar literally destroying themselves to stop the Clans, they still suffer tremendous casualties. The Clans gave as good, or better, than they got from the Comguards. But attrition is a bitch and no matter how big and bad you are, a fresh suicidal ambush every 36 feet is going to take it's toll eventually.

>>94255894
First, Focht is the greatest commander since Aleksandr Kerensky himself. Even Ulric and Hanse are the next rung down. He commanded the whole thing from a LosTech holo-tank that let him micro-manage everything if he needed to take direct control.

Second, ComStar legit mega-engineered the entire *planet.* We're talking levelling mountains and relocating cities. Stuff the Clans were seeing didn't match up to the maps they had from the SL or FRR.

Third, you've got the Clans putting Ulric in charge not because they wanted to listen to him, but because they thought with him out of the way the Wolves would be slowed since he was no longer their leader. Everything Ulric said to do, they ignored because they wanted to prove that Crusader aggression was better than Warden caution. Arguably Ulric was aware of this tendency and deliberately goaded them on things like not bidding (much is made of the Jags bidding a Galaxy away, but they'd taken so many casualties it would only exist on paper any way, so they consolidated their remaining forces into two actual Galaxies) and bringing enough supplies (the Jags decided they would win in a single push and only prepared for a single battle, so they were SOL after they spent all their munitions).

If there wasn't a Year of Peace, Focht would have had to try and defend Terra against an Invading Clan force with two or three regiments and a pair of Dantes against a full Clan fleet and several Galaxies. GG no RE there.

>>94256005
The Clans would have got to Terra, but then what? It is a significant planet but not an auto-win button to the entire Inner Sphere

>>94256041
>The Clans would have got to Terra, but then what?
Destroyed each other fighting to be the ilClan, apparently.

>>94256041
I don't think they even cared about that, they just wanted to win their internal social footrace to establish the Boss Clan.

>>94255948
Sure. Better weapons spread, worse armor. You see a fair bit of overlap like that in the SW era.

>>94255894
The other big issue was inter Clan Politicking. If each Clan had brought everything they had to bear against ComStar, they would have won Tukayyid, but because they were all fighting each other more so than the Sphereoids, whom they viewed basically as speed bumps. Even before Tukayyid, the reserve Clans were already fighting the main Clans for conquered planets.

They were also deliberately disobeying their theoretical CnC Ulric, which would have further destroyed army cohesion if he hadn't gone the extra mile and used their political distrust of him to reverse psychology them into deeper levels of recklessness. So everyone with the exception of the Wolves, Ghost Bears (kinda) and maybe the Steel Vipers underbid and under prepared at Tukayyid, and the Vipers threw anyways because they are Kerensky's most disappointing Clan.

>>94255849
According to sarna at least, it's got half the armor, "lacks the Clan LSSU", and only has one weapon, but it is a modular mount.
I'm not sure what they mean by lacks Clan LSSU, since the regular one already doesn't have Clan LSSU in the first place. Maybe it just means it doesn't have life support, or not as good life support as later models.

>>94252971
People always mock the infantry SRM launchers. Cause what's an SRM launcher going to do against a mech. Yet they always seem to forget that the infantry guy in that pic likely has about 70 buddies also armed with SRM launchers and they're all going to fire them off at the same time and at the same target. 1 SRM is diddly. 70 SRMs though is a whole lot of diddly.

>>94253145
I think that would be a great idea, and you could even fuck off and leave us alone so you stop posting off topic bullshit nobody but namefags are interested in. That's a great idea. I'm all for it. I think you should start right now.

>>94256098
>>94256146
Samefag. Pathetic.

>>94255129
>We can be awful together

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>>94256090
Ghost bears are also one of only (IIRC) two clans that were even able to take their first objective, and held there, ensuring they took the least casualties if any clan.

We just can't stop winning bros

>>94256152
Social media exists for the exact kind of faggotry you are strying to use an anonymous 4chan thread for. I suggest you use it.

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>>94256152
Please go suck NEA off and leave us alone.

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Ive been gone since the kickstarter started. Have they added anything new to the game? Any good new books?

[Spoiler] im back from 40k

>>94256158
Leaning hard into mediocrity =/= winning

>>94256165
Eh, it's just some new mechs and they made a couple more books in 3152. Nothing Earth-shattering.

>>94256005
>First, Focht is the greatest commander since Aleksandr Kerensky himself.
He lost. The clans are piccolodicking the IS atm and theres nothing the IS can do about it

>>94256173
Being retarded is not, in fact, a virtue.

>>94256180
>lost
>after being dead for +100 years
????

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>>94256152
Womp womp.

How did battletech survive the jihad?

>>94256178
Which ones? I only see new books in their store and their News page is out of date by months
>most competent tabletop company

>>94256191
By leapfrogging it entirely until they felt like backfilling it.

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>>94256191
Because the Jihad was actually what saved it. The most popular period before now was the 2008'ish Jihad stuff right before Porrchgate.

Dark Age and Forever 67 were what nearly killed it. It was the Jihad that got stuff rolling again.

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>>94256165
>im back from 40k

>>94256208
Do you think he'll embezzle us again? Is he our amaris?

>>94256215
I bet it's already happened. We just don't have the receipts yet. There's just enough money rolling in that it's not crippling the game.

>>94256158
Ghost Bears and Wolves were the only two Clans to take and hold objectives. Steel Viper took the fewest casualties due to being well somewhat well prepared with lots of pulse lasers and a cautious deployment and due to the speed at which Breen realized that there was no way they could fight their way to their objectives after Devils Bath, which they only committed too due to the slanders the Blakists leveled their way.

Ironic how even when they make every correct decision, the Steel Vipers still fail.

>>94256199
Since April 2023?

Bunch of novels, the force manuals, couple Recogs, Dominions Divided. That's probably about it. I'd pull up Amazon and sort by release date.

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>liao run by a woman
>steiner ran by a woman
>davion ran by a manlet (basically a woman)
>marik ran by a woman
>kurita ran by a woman
>house arano, you guessed it, ran by a woman
>snow raven, ran by a woman

Are we in the worst timeline?

>>94256235
>>94256178
Nta but damn i was hoping for some mech packs or soloplay updates

>>94256239
The problem isn't being run by women. The problem is being run by CHILDLESS women. It's like they totally forgot that you need heirs since the DA.

>>94256245
Exactly, who are they gonna pass it onto? Cats?

>>94256229
I wonder what it's like to be a Vipes fan.

>>94256229
>Ironic how even when they make every correct decision, the Steel Vipers still fail.
Shit writing is shit. I am certain it was just people getting giddy at shitting on BLP for giving Steel Vipers an actual identity beyond being just hangers-on for Jade Failcons.

>>94256241
>mech packs
The Merc KS had a shit ton of mech packs and vehicle packs.

>>94255663
I run the 5SS more than any other heavy when playing introtech and clan invasion

>>94256251
I kanot back anymore

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>>94256249
A test of patience, mostly.

>>94256227
It absolutely has. As part of the original embezzlement scam, the company's auditor resigned because she was asked to illegally move funds and hide royalty payments. Nothing ever came from that.

>>94256249
It's like a combination of 3 clanner fans. Falcon heel, Jaguar retard, and Blood Spirit irrelevance.

Makes me kind of like them, honestly. The paint schemes are fucking aces.

>>94256241
The force packs are mostly pending the kickstarter release. They have put out the Star League Command Lance, and the 2nd Star League Assault Lance is coming out soon, though it was available at gencon.

>>94256258
Then you must wait for retail my son. Good news, the warehouses have been releasing shit ahead of schedule.

>>94256271
I'm going to my LGS tomorrow so I'll check. Hopefully they'll have something good

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>>94256271
>ahead of schedule

>>94256041
Honestly, I think >>94256047 is right.

The whole idea of the ilClan was basically cooked up by Crusaders who were convinced that it would be them. There's nothing in the writings of Kerensky or Clan law about it.

They're meant to be allowed to perpetually name the ilKhan which technically means they can declare eternal martial law, but this gives them very little actual control, as we saw with how the Crusaders treated Ulric and everyone treated Lincoln Osis.

Clan Wolf would probably become the ilClan. Maybe the Falcons. Whoever it was, the other six Invaders would immediately start slapping them with bullshit challenges designed to attrit their strength and politically weaken them for an ultimate Absorption. Then they would declare themselves shit kings of fuck mountain and the remaining five invaders would start challenging them.

>>94256158
The Bears held one of their two assigned cities and lost the second. Objectively that's a draw.

The Bear victory and Falcon draw (despite them not holding either of their assigned cities) were political declarations. If either of those Clans lost, they'd spend their time trying to overthrow the results of the Trial. By making the two remaining strongest Crusaders not losers in the trial, they were honour-bound to uphold the results because a Refusal would have made them look bad.

>>94256282
They started delivering in June.

>>94256264
Because Loren's buddy and fellow Secret Undies wearer Randall was in charge of the company at the time and gave Loren a free pass.

>>94256239
All of those are significant improvements.

>>94256282
Yeah, the retail fuckers are getting it ahead of 2nd and 3rd wave.

After watching my 1st wave pledge bounce between distribution posts for a month and now only getting the final book portion of my pledge confirmed as shipped months later, I feel for you my brothers.

>>94256285
Doesn't make it not a win

>>94256250
Pardoe didn't write a fucking thing for the Vipers. the closest is him claiming, absent any proof, that Star Lord was such a shit show he had to re-write it himself but wasn't given credit for it.

And even then that means he maybe came up with Dawn. Wow. Such Viper. Much Pardoe.

Not only that, the Vipers had their downfall in fucking 2011, over a decade before Pardoe decided to start publicly REEEEing over MAGA shit and writing his self-insert Real Men saving Real America with Real Conservative masturbatory fiction series and torpedoed his BT writing career.

>>94256298
>FUCKING retail is getting it before my wave
Its over

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>>94256315
It's still kind of crazy how BLP imploded. He was the last of the spine authors in the stable, so they gave him the Mike Stackpole role for ilClan and shit, then they just discarded him in a year like fucking litter.

>>94256315
Pardoe wrote Bloodright. He basically birthed Steel Vipers as being something fundamentally different than the other Clans we'd been introduced to by Tukayyid.

>>94256331
Retail backers who did the Company Store backing, yes. Not regular distribution.

>>94256336
This is why attaching your name to internet posts is very dumb.

>>94256315
Why the FUCK did pardoe blow up his BT career? He was one of the few writers with decent pacing

>>94256285
>Then they would declare themselves shit kings of fuck mountain and the remaining five invaders would start challenging them.
Meanwhile, what actually happened is that the Ravens, Foxes, Cats, and half the Bears fell over themselves to proclaim allegiance to the IlClan.

>>94256352
Oh okay thank god

>>94256357
He's a terminally online boomer with brain worms. They tend to do that. He just had the misfortune to work in an industry where people care about what you might write about. At least we didn't see him slide into Heinlein-esque pontificating, but it was only a matter of time before we got "strong men make strong times" bullshit.

>>94256357
>be BLP
>come up in the franchise forming pillars of said franchise's identity over years
>company suits hire newfag talentless hacks to build from your work
>they trash it with their own shit writing
>you complain, they cancel you as a bigot
>company suits take their side

>>94256315
The best way i can describe his series is pacific rim for boomers

>>94256377
>strong men make good times
>good times make camerons
>fat mongolians make bad times
>a lot of bad times
>holy shit it just keeps going
>fuck me the internet's out now
>what the hell is a clickytech
>isn't this supposed to loop at some point?
>oh fuck the wolves have earth

>>94256387
Dont tell me you liked hour of the wolf

>>94256357
It was kind of a combination of Boomerism and unluckiness. He would go on stupid rants when he made mistakes, and also chew out retards that attacked him directly.

He made the mistake of doing that against a sociopathic faggot who had some clout and levered their online status to end him. Now he's authoring novels for CAV-tier competitors to Battletech. It's genuinely sad. I feel significantly less sorry for him after he brought the Jags back after he promised Topps he never would.

>>94256336
The historical revisionism around him is incredible as well.

Exodus Road is his one actual decent novel. I'd put it up there with generic science fiction and while it's not transformative, there are some interesting ideas in it beyond just its role in BT.

The rest of it? Fucking sucks.

Ghost Bears with slow 'Mechs beating Wolves in fast 'Mechs at mobile warfare because the the unit commander learned to play the bagpipes. This is an actual, literal fucking plot point- she trusts her plan will work because learning the bagpipes has taught her resilience, and this resilience lets her teleport her command around faster than the Wolves can chase her. It also lets her bunch of random retards outshoot one of the most elite Clusters in existence, because sure. That makes sense.

Some novels about how having Scottish ancestry allows you to overcome Capellan cultural programming and become an actual human being, then being more Scottish than a planet full of Scots so your Scottish mercs can beat anyone with the power of, again, fucking bagpipes since bagpipe music is used to bait a trap.

And some FCCW novels where he lionises the Confederacy, which even at the time was clear before he went full RWNJ and made it explicit.

He only got as far as he did because Stackpole has SW royalty money and is tired of the same faces fucking him over for pay. Gressman was better than anyone bar Stackpole in the same era. I need to see what he's written since.

Any way, Pardoe was visibly melting down over a period of years before he finally lost the plot in public and got shitcanned. He was never a good writer, he's just being martyred by retards.

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Any good Clan Heavies with jumpjets? Already have the Summoner and Night Gyr. Liie to stick with Clan agnostic mechs, if possible.

>>94256412
Charette > Stackpole

>>94256412
>Gressman was better than anyone

Truth be told.

>Hunters of the Deep.hpg

>>94256412
The fccw was about states rights and you know it!

>>94256412
Mageleader and razorfist said pardoe is good

>>94256426
Charrette was an OG RP sculptor in addition to all his writing so FUCK YES!

>>94256412
Also, there isn't a lot from the early days that Pardoe doesn't try to take at least partial credit for. He's traded on his time in the game for years, while consistently providing zero receipts.

>>94256446
FASA wasn't giving receipts. Pardoe was just the guy who stayed while everyone else bailed, despite having his name omitted from the writing credits for several TRO entries.

Who ARE good writers for BT?

>>94256347
Literally everything in there was building on Invading Clans' description of the Steel Vipers.

That book goes hard on showing that the Vipers are extremely different to everyone else.

Pardoe didn't create a fucking thing.

>>94256387
Literally none of this is true. He was always a fringe level contractor for FASA and only became their biggest-name writer after FASA and FanPro/CGL drove everyone else away with decades of fucking them over on pay they'd earned, leaving him as the last man standing.

Now MAGAtards are making him a hero and saying he was their favourite author. Fucking bullshit. Go back to before him imploding and everyone was saying Stackpole or Keith for the most part with a few saying Charette. Even Gressman was spoken of more highly.

>>94256458
Was his name omitted? Or was he full of shit?

>>94256415
Shrike

>>94256469
>Invading Clans: published 1995
>Bloodright: published 1992
Yeah, you don't know shit. Fuck along now.

>>94256415
The Guillotine IIC is pretty good. But it's a IIC, so doesn't fit everywhere.

The only other good one that comes to mind is the Arcas and it's a Bear machine.

>>94256336
Pardoe was a retarded hack it was apparent that he was sending manuscripts to publishers while skipping editors. Anything he wrote after 2000 sucks absolute shit and he's too mentally cucked at this point to be a decent anything.

>>94256469
Which of the modern writers are good?

>>94256498
None of them. None are best. Best does not exist in Catalyst publishing; there is only compromise, and disappointment.

>>94256493
>book that doesn't say anything about CSV's uniqueness but just features them
>establishes their uniqueness more than the SB that fleshes them and their history out, gives them their unique take on the purpose of the Clans, and establishes their hatred of Freeborns
Yeah, okay. Good proof, buddy.

>>94256512
How about least dissapointing?

>>94256498
I can't say that I've read any of the ilClan era novels.

However, many of their authors are now ascended forum fanfiction writers and I couldn't stand their prose before. I doubt I could stand it now. Pardoe was likely the most competent of them.

>>94256415
timby-s or -tc I guess

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>>94256519
Unironically Brian Young.
>inb4 muh marena
> inb4 muh tranny focht
>inb4 muh woke
Yeah, and he's still better.

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>>94256357
>Why the FUCK did pardoe blow up his BT career? He was one of the few writers with decent pacing

Blaine wrote Forever Faithful to explain how the Smoke Jags survived as the Fidelis, but clearly doesn't get any editors or proofreaders- the book is riddled with key timeline errors and it's written terribly, with one of Trent's actual tactics being "I'll just stand REALLY FAR AWAY and taunt the enemy into my guns". At the same time Blaine is a boomer on twitter with brainworms, who rapidly begins starting fights with people who criticize him while ALSO falling for culture war bullshit left right and center. Finally after too many online blowups they axed him, he just became a dumb liability- but what do you expect from someone who clearly was a little TOO interested in the confederacy?

>>94256446
This. Sarna needs to delete all the "Pardoe claims he made up this mech one day" because nothing can be proven and it doesn't add to shit.

>>94256547
please make your bait believable anon. I feel bad even giving you this pity (you)

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Yeah, Young is one of the only good ones' we got. Plenty of the fan writers are actually good in Shrapnel, but there's the key issue of having fans write your books.

>>94256547
This is the face of someone forcibly changing their child's sex for community woke cred.

>>94256551
This is incredibly pathetic.

>>94256554
I'm not even fucking with you. Young understand characterization better than the other BT authors right now. Yeah, he doesn't land it, but he understands it.

>>94256551
Pardoe's greatest sin (professionally) was that he was injecting his own bullshit into the books. When you work in an existing, corporate IP, you have to serve the needs of the IP and write what is essentially an advertising piece. Coleman bent over backwards for Pardoe, but there's no way in hell Topps is going to let their property get dragged into culture war nonsense by some boomer hack.

>>94256569
I love how he addresses that he'll be banned at the end. It's just perfect
>"I'm being SILENCED for my BELIEFS!"
about a middling review on a book that was so bad, it took away Trent's reasons for leaving the clans and had characters whom literally were never described what they look like. My old review has Ivanna basically being a thing with Black hair; he literally doesn't describe her, at all. But the Nova Cats magically make Trent's fucked up face better!

>>94256563
>getting raped by troons
I will now read your book

>>94256551
He's like the Pierre Sprey of BT.

Sprey: "I designed the A-10"
Air Force: "No you didn't. You weren't on any of the design teams. We have a list of who did what."
Sprey Loyalists: "Nuh uh, you just don't like him because he was part of the Fighter Mafia, so you're denying him his legacy."

Pierre Sprey: "I designed the F-15!"
Air Force: "Your involvement is limited to like the one time you came in and called everyone retarded for trying to make a fighter that used RADAR and missiles to be a threat in BVR. You then ranted about how it should be a gun-only fighter with just enough fuel to sortie a single time as an interceptor. How exactly does that count as designing it?"
Sprey Loyalists: "Nuh uh, you just don't like him because he was part of the Fighter Mafia, so you're denying him his legacy."

Sprey: "I designed the F-16!"
Air Force: "Oh, my fucking God. Enough already. All you did was bitch about wanting a guns-only suicide sled with hardly any fuel."
Sprey Loyalists: "Nuh uh, you just don't like him because he was part of the Fighter Mafia, so you're denying him his legacy."

Sprey: <Random Conservative, pro-Russian gobbledegook>
Sprey loyalists: "OMG, so wise."

>>94256583
Pls dont troll me.im gonna give his books a shot

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>>94256592
Im posting two more

>>94256551
Not even bam magera was that salty about being excluded from jackass

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>>94256607
>I will now read your book
It's basically the blue aliens from Mass Effect I bet. The ones that all just happen to look like women? I bet this is how we find out all his fetishes, dude probably wants to get pegged.

>>94256609
>He's like the Pierre Sprey of BT.
Ah, I see you're a man of culture and a fan of a particular British swine as well.

>>94256515
>>94256493
Bloodright doesn't say anything about Viper culture or history. It just recaps the Invasion and says "anyway, Your Dudes (TM) are now competing with a bunch of Nova Cats, and fuck those guys."

You could have substituted Jags in for Vipers and it would have mattered as much.

>>94256467
Literally nobody. It all sucks. Just play with the robots and shut up. Fluff and fiction never mattered anyway.

>>94256636

My personal theory is that the US government secretly sponsors Sprey in order to downplay the effectiveness of their own equipment. It's like the reverse of what the Russians do.

>>94256648
Vipers are emblematic of the bad part of Battletech writing that comes from presumably balancing a lot of input - a lot of hooks thrown out for promising stuff that never lands or gets followed up on. In their original introduction a big deal was made about the Viper's plot to cooperate with the IS, and the threat they'd pose to a weakened Wolf and Jade Falcon.

Then U: 3067 happens.

>>94256467

There really aren't any, unfortunately. It's cute how they have some enthusiastic people but BT fiction is really bottom of the barrel, even for military fiction. It's like kids playing with action figures.

>>94256551
>>94256569
The thing is, he could have just said "yeah, I know that it's unlikely an UrbanMech IIC would show up in a front-line unit, but:
A. The Jags were super desperate for combat materiel, and were using whatever they could get their hands on, and more importantly
B. It's an UrbanMech. Everyone loves UrbanMechs. And how do you improve on the glorious trashcan of doom? With Clan tech!

So I gave them an UrbanMech IIC, for the lols."

It would either then have passed un-noticed by the fanbase or they would have said "Wow, Pardoe memes! Just like us! So relatable!"

>>94256687
This. Instead of being normal the man had a full on breakdown in front of everyone.

>>94256678
Yup. BT writing doesn't make money, whereas other franchise writing like Trek can at least produce a small but steady stream.

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Damn, nice Satan quads bro.
>>94256666
>Then U: 3067 happens.
Makes me wonder what happened to Natalie Breen. Suddenly having a Khan disappearing, in the Battletech universe just doesn't seem right, and especially for the era.

>My personal theory is that the US government secretly sponsors Sprey in order to downplay the effectiveness of their own equipment.
Or it's like that theory the communists have, of like, controlled opposition? Where because you always have someone going UM,AKCHUALLY and making some kind of argument, you're making sure all the weaknesses are massaged out?

>>94256666
>My personal theory is that the US government secretly sponsors Sprey in order to downplay the effectiveness of their own equipment. It's like the reverse of what the Russians do.
It's even simpler than that.

He was being paid by Russia. He was a regular guest on Russia Today and was constantly pushing the notion that Western gear after the A-10 (which he hated while it was being designed and built and prior to it's alleged "success" in Desert Storm) was too complex and designed just so that corrupt generals could profiteer from procurement.

According to him, what they needed to do was start building rugged, simple, non-stealth, dog fighters that relied more on their guns than missiles.

You know, like Russia. Which tries to claim they have rugged stuff but don't because it's never built to spec and which has to rely on dog fighting with guns and more maneuverable fighters because it can't build stealth for shit and its missiles suck.

By the end he was basically a Russian psyop on the American public to try to convince them that the professionals didn't know what they were doing. And if you read the commentary around the Raptor or F-35, is absolutely worked.

>>94256678
Yeah, anything BT does... a 5/5 battletech book, if that existed, would be a 4/5 scifi book at best, and so on. I'd say that there have been a few Shrapnel short stories that are genuine 4/5 scifi tales, but they're getting samey with the material to me.

>>94256687
Right? He could have just played it off for the meme of it all and people would have forgotten, but nope! He started shitflinging.

>>94256609
Bro I tell my brother every time you post. I never see another plane nerd in the wild.

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>>94256702
>Makes me wonder what happened to Natalie Breen.
Andrews probably had her killed.

Or perhaps she survived to escape the Homeworlds with Dark Asp and is somewhere in the Deep Periphery along with the remnant forces of Steel Viper, waiting to stage their comeback once Viper Bloodnames have infiltrated other Clans to such an extent that their unwitting hosts no longer remember that those bloodlines were taken through treachery and now, like venom, they sit inside the defenses.

>>94256708
>He was being paid by Russia
>By the end he was basically a Russian psyop on the American public to try to convince them that the professionals didn't know what they were doing. And if you read the commentary around the Raptor or F-35, is absolutely worked.

Totally agree with that Occam's Razor assessment too. There's no way he was getting paid consultancy work after pushing for a program that was treating soldiers as expendable (especially post WW2 and now 60 years of warfare to look back on), and now he was just the bulwark for this massive wave of idiot americans thinking people with degrees are somehow out to get them, because its easier to demonize that instead of confronting your jealousy over someone having an engineering bachelors or some shit.

>>94256720
That's really gay.

>>94256720
>>94256636

F111 enjoyers unite.

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>>94256720
plain nerd*
FTFY

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>>94256726
But what if she was rescued by my OC mercenary Donut Steel and taught how to LoKill capellans?

>>94256617
His Jade Falcon Remnant books are solid.

>>94256636
>British swine
Sprey memes go back way farther than that retarded youtuber.

>>94256734
There is a longer video from Lazerpig where he lays his theory out in full but I think we are probably at a tech level now where the average person kinda just... doesn't understand war any more.

Once upon a time, if your city/country/side didn't like someone, you got a knife, put it on the end of a stick, and fucked their shit up. Over time rules evolved and we got knights. Knights are cool. Tanks are kind of like knights and fighter pilots are kind of like sky knights. So they can understand everything up to roughly Vietnam because it all sort of makes sense.

But then tech really takes off. There are missiles now! You don't even have to see the shitmerkins on the other side, you can just blow them up from afar! How does it work? SCIENCE, bitches! Explaining RADAR is gonna take all day. Just know that it's basically magic. Except now there's stealth, which is extra magical and makes missiles even scarier if they can see you and you can't see them. Also everything is networked together, so what the AWACS can see, the fighter jockey can smash with a missile even if they don't know it's there.

The average person just wants to deal with sky knights again, not DirewolfV's hyper-entropic warfare bullshit. They want stuff to be like they saw in Top Gun, Iron Eagle, and Firefox. Not Stealth. That movie was lame.

Except for Jessica Biel titties and the sound track. Those bits were good.

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This is already sort of a thing, so I'm considering making it part of Naginata's lore that they're basically clannerboos. They mimic some elements of Clan warfare, and particularly relish fighting the Clans in proper trials with Zellbrigen.

The big difference would be to make their Omni Company their most prestigious, the one everyone moves up to once they get the chance. I'd probably keep their "doing the ISF's dirty work" thing, because the contrast between that and admiring the clans is interesting.

Any thoughts?

>>94256769
>The average person just wants to deal with sky knights again
Because this is fun and makes for good stories and can make for good fun tabletop game play.
>Radar, Stealth, networking, AWACS, Drones
This does not. In fact, it is actually and genuinely cancer for both storytelling and on the tabletop. Modern warfare is absolutely SHIT for tabletop.
>DirewolfV's hyper-entropic warfare bullshit
And this ESPECIALLY does not make for anything fun and/or interesting.

>>94256551
People have tried to get rid of the "Pardoe did this" for a while but there's a few Sarna editors that believe a "trust me bro" is trustworthy enough to keep it.
Meanwhile they scrutinized the hell out of anyone trying to add Ashley Watkins as a creator on mech articles - with links to her drafts - especially when it was on mechs Pardoe claimed he did without evidence.

>>94256245
>The problem is being run by CHILDLESS women.
>>94256247
>Exactly, who are they gonna pass it onto? Cats?
We have Iron Wombs!

>>94256769
Based response
>Referencing the movie Stealth
jesus, we're old aren't we

My wife did a lipbite and said she wanted to fuck pardoe

>>94256788
Might be you could crowbar that mentality in if their unit formed post-Luthien. Like maybe they saw the Nova Cats using zellbrigen and found much to admire about it, but thought it needed some more pragmatic refinements for the battlefields of the Inner Sphere to perfect it as a combat form?

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>>94256847
I like that. I kind of want them to see the Clans as a worthy opponent, an honorable change from blowing up whatever dissidents bothered the ISF this month. So they see Zellbrigen as the closest any of their enemies will come to properly abiding by Bushido.

I know they were formed in the 3040s, but they spent the early part of the invasion on the Davion border and didn't get sent against the clans until after Luthien.

In last year's campaign they fought a proper trial against the Jade Falcons, including hammy intro.

>"Attention! This is Sho-Sa Azisu Misakari, commander of Naginata Battalion of the Draconis Combine Mustered Soldiery, and I lay claim to this fortress in the name of the Coordinator. To this trial I bring a lance of Mechs, a lance of Aerospace fighters, and a squad of battle armor. What forces dare answer the Dragon's roar?"

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>>94256883
Wrong picture

>>94256790
I think radar and stealth and ECM because its just technologically analogous to dirty fighting and ambushes. It just lets a 40 ton warm machine be like a bandit jumping out of the woods (sometimes literally) when it wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Somewhat agree on Drones, AWACS and networking, if only that it shouldn't be the focus. They should exist to facilitate the fun parts we all signed up for.

Im trying to start and finish the liao books but holy shit Loren Porchman cannot write

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>>94256883
Like, I could totally see them getting into the one v one mentality, but also not be hesitant to Dragon Rush that "one" and kick his fucking head off, because that's just how work gets done on a battlefield. You said 3040s, maybe prior to the invasion they had identity crisis issues? It wasn't until after seeing battle footage of Luthien and watching how the Clanners fought that their commander snapped her fingers and was all "I like that shit" and started adopting how SHE perceived zellbrigen as combat doctrine for the unit.

>>94256843
Your wife's boyfriend would probably be upset about her cheating on him.

>>94256925
That works pretty well. Before the Invasion, the CO had been tasked with building them up and given wildly inadequate funding and support to do so. Making them an all-women unit and the name Naginata was basically to make it easier to recruit by poaching women from units with glass ceilings in place, and her working with the ISF to get gear started as a move of desperation. Having them finally delight in a "proper enemy" to fight could be fun. Maybe I'll add in a bondsman they take who teaches them about Zell and it resonates with their ideas of Bushido, which before then was an idea they only paid lip service to.

They also only extend even their interpretation of Zell to clanners. They don't bother with it when fighting Davions, mercenaries, or the targets the ISF sends them after like protesters, Davion sympathizers, antiestablishment movements, orphans, or Rasalhague proxies.

>>94256551
>bunch of bullshit to explain why he doesnt know why a mech that shouldn't be in a front line unit is in a front line unit(when he claims to have designed so many fucking mechs)
>still doesn't justify why he doesn't know which mechs are which

Anybody defending him is a brainworm infested paedofilic conservative that doesn't care about battletech any more than they care what color socks they have on.

>>94256980
I'm not wearing socks.

>>94256991
footfags pls go

>>94256980
you stink of culture war brainrot, please leave

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>>94256908

I feel like you could make a whole Bingo sheet out of Battletech fiction. My own contributions would be

>Horrible use of metaphors
>Characters acting with the emotional spasticness of a soap opera
>The main character is portrayed as "smart," and everyone else is a retard.
>Awkward pontificating that benefits from out of universe knowledge to predict things that will happen.
>Random easily avoidable death to up the stakes.

>>94257039
I do think people should realize that just because its pulp, doesn't mean its not enjoyable. I'm reading Heir to the Dragon right now and it is DEFINITELY not quality as it suffers from the soap opera problem. I am enjoyed it a lot though despite it being schlock.

>>94257039
Dont forget allusions to the vietnam war or ww2

>>94257093
Or Afghanistan.

>>94257063
I wish more BT novels were that fun, it reads kind of like a mecha anime

>>94257039
>book ends with reinforcements showing up on planet to rescue main characters unit
>merc unit gets betrayed
>references to american civil war
>a comstar precentor is involved

>>94257039

I'd toss in weird sex moments.

Not that pulp shouldn't have lots of sex, but its a very Battletech thing for characters to like, remove their shirts or get undressed at awkward moments and its never brought up again. Inorganic sex moments, you could say.

>>94257039
Are the dracs comically evil or is that just racist 80s writing? Everyone besides theodore seems like an insane asshole

>>94257112
The sex is the worst. Its like sex written by quakers who developed internet level fetishes

>>94257116
It's both. They're comically evil and inept due to racist tropes from the 80s.

>>94257039
>female character overpowers an elemental
>yugioh levels of asspull and logic breaking when it comes to the MCs battlemech

>>94257116
>Are the dracs comically evil or is that just racist 80s writing? Everyone besides theodore seems like an insane asshole
It's both at the same time. That's the fun part.

>>94257116
Yes

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>>94257134
That's not such a big deal. There's plenty of female characters who can take a Star of Elementals.

>>94257151
In a fight, right?

>>94253059
>>94253303
>anon posts about single shot missiles
>retard posts an image with a RPG, which is reloadable

Is there some kind of problem happening at the Battletech Forums? My account has been pending administrator approval for over a week now. It seems like a long time to determine I'm not a bot.

>>94257151
She was better at killing than fucking.

>>94257168
They have an actual human checking those for some reason. Gotta wait for them to get around to it.

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WHY is battletech writing so bad then? GW is notorious for assfucking their writers out of pay yet they put out readible novels

>>94257168
Do not start your bullshit fucko

>>94257173
>readible novels

If you've had a lobotomy, then yeah they're great.

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>>94257157

Is battletech for everyone?

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>>94257201
If you don't take shit personally, yes.

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>>94257173
BT writing is about the same as other military sci fi. Problem is, other military sci fi is mostly pic rel, and only one of these is even remotely readable.

>>94257201
No. It's not for people who can't take the setting and game as it is, and insist on changing or simplifying it. If that's why you're here, you don't like Battletech. You like what you want Battletech to be, and don't care what you're taking away from anyone else.

>>94257201
Your constant baiting is too obvious

>>94256795
Honestly, I'm not sure how to feel about this. On the one hand it's obvious Pardoe and whoever is shilling for him (assuming he's not editing himself through sockpuppet accounts) are filthy liars. On the other, I'm not sure I want women getting recognition in this community. It's a very malebrained hobby and realistically, while one or wo might not be a problem, any significant number are going to try to turn it into something else. They always do. And even if they did appreciate it the same way we did there's still the issue that women are predisposed to treat autistic men as objects of disgust. What good is it to do anything at all to benefit people who hate you? It'd be like when Whites started pushing the Blacks out of jazz and rock and roll. It's not just that they're different. It's not just that they had no part in making this culture. It's that not only do they hate the people who did, they're pretty much defined by that hatred.

>94257227
this is some real obvious bait

>>94257233
Anymore, that's all we get 'round these parts.

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>94257227

>>94257227
Got a chuckle out of me, I'll admit

>>94257116
>Everyone besides theodore seems like an insane asshole
The original shtick was the tension between practical, pragmatic modernization versus adhering dogmatically to tradition. The whole "it made us who we are!" vs "it's going to get us all killed!" thing. Teddy won over his old man in the end and kept the Combine more or less intact. The Combine was written I think with the weird politics of the Meiji Restoration, the Imperial military of WWII and all its contradictions, and the then current perception of Japan as bleeding edge technical innovators while their historic cultural identity was at the same time being exploited commercially in the West, creating a paradoxical image in popular perception. I think it all adds up to what the Combine was at its inception, which was then Flanderized into samurai and war crimes.

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Bait used to be believable.

>>94257173
>WHY is battletech writing so bad then? GW is notorious for assfucking their writers out of pay yet they put out readible novels
I'd argue it comes down to 40K being just the trope of the "Planet of Hats" whereas battletech has to do much more to softly characterize different regions and peoples. Even a few days ago, we were pointing out how the Lyran and FWL Border doesn't really "feel" like anything interesting or spectacular like the Davion borders because both powers are fundamentally capitalist states, and it's made worse because battletech has nearly died several times.
Luck of the draw I think also plays a role. ADB is a good writer I think they just managed to snag, but he basically writes 3 books and refinishes them repeatedly.

Why did Liao get ninjas if they're space singaporeans

>>94257284
They are also a lot more willing to play with things and the audience is, paradoxically when you consider how reactionary and autistic the 40K fanbase is, more willing to accept the results.

I don't think BT would ever produce a Ciaphas Cain or Infinite and the Divine and even if it did the fanbase at large would sperg out about it.

>>94257284
>Lyran and FWL Border doesn't really "feel" like anything interesting or spectacular
When the Bolan Thumb was a thing that border was popping.

>>94257284

Is that why they put the Wolves on that border?

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>>94257305
"guy who is subtle about stabbing people" is not exclusive to japan

Also Kurita gets space ninja battle armor

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>>94257284
>Even a few days ago, we were pointing out how the Lyran and FWL Border doesn't really "feel" like anything interesting or spectacular
You know, I feel like this summarizes a lot of my problems with Battletech, but I don't know why. All the planets I can remember are like Solaris and Tukayyid but most of those places don't have regular action, since usually the war's being fought on every front at the same time the zoomed-out perspective makes it really hard to care about what's going on where. 40k's approach is to focus on little sectors at a time and try to tell a story there but I don't know if that's actually better, but I know the shit that went down on Badab way better than I know what fuckery happened on Tukayyid and I've never been able to care about any planet in any war past the Clan Invasion and I've never been able to articulate why.

>>94257313
Funny enough, one of the only Battletech fan works I've ever enjoyed reading was literally "Ciaphas Cain becomes a Lyran social general".

>>94257321
Liao warrior houses are weird to me. They seem to fit Kurita more

>>94257305
"Because they're space Asians. Who the fuck can tell the difference between Chinks and Japs? Do I look like I give a shit? Now hand me the cocaine, I have an idea about a planet full of Space South Africans who have continued Apartheid into the thirty-first century."
-Jordan Weisman, probably.

Can anyone point to where exactly the rules on BV for SGLRMs are given? I can't find it in the tech manual

>>94257305
if it makes you feel better, the Kuritans also have ninjas.

>>94257318

I think he means more in an evocative sense.

Like, you can read a bit of fluff and totally understand why the FedSuns, Liao and Kurita hate each other, and have a good idea of what those borders are probably like. The use of the Marches helps.

But why do the FWL and Lyrans hate each other beyond just being neighbours? We're told they hate each other quite a bit, and you could just go back down the list of warcrimes, but the Succ wars went on a long time.

Meanwhile, the FedSuns very philosophy is antiethical to its neighbours and its to theirs. And Kurita and Liaos identies are strong enough you get why they'd clash with the Lyrans and FWL.

Even in the actual fluff it barely seems like the characters care. You get some Mariks grumbling about German and that's about it.

>>94257313
The biggest difference is the 40k fanbase turns over constantly, and BT does not. What is a controversy for 40k becomes ancient fan lore inside a couple years.

>>94257334
That's because you're racist and don't understand Chinese traditional warrior societies. You've probably heard of the Shaolin, right? There's a LOT more of that sort of thing to learn about than you think, if you actually cared about any culture but your own, gweilo.

>>94257346
>But why do the FWL and Lyrans hate each other beyond just being neighbours?
Corporate War. Coca-Cola vs PepsiCo. Chevrolet vs Ford.

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>>94257339
DEST are the true ninja.

>>94257349
But they're supposed to be godless commies; mysticism and spirituality has no place in that society

>>94257346

It is weird that they made all the fluffy FWL states with actual units be mostly either interior or beside the Liao.

The most that border got was Tamarind (which wasn't a real faction until recently) and hte Border Protecorate (which was a couple of planets without any cultural information).

And on the flip side of the border, Lyran provinces tend to really get short-changed for development. I feel like Bolan would have been good to develop before it got wolfed, since that planet was the main bone of contention and nukes.

>>94257334
I actually like them. Might paint up a Company of a Warrior House if I can decide on one.

>>94257375
Pick a warrior house with a Japanese sounding name like almost all of them

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>>94257333
My recent enjoyed story was a 1950s style hardboiled detective solaris 7 tale. I thought it was cute, it was written like a Hardy Boy novel.

>>94257327
I think that distance is a problem too, and I think the lack of real difference or granularity hurts it as well. To me, there's just no reason for the Lyrans and Mariks to really fight at all, unlike the Davions and Liao/DCMS.

>>94257334
>Liao warrior houses are weird to me. They seem to fit Kurita more
same. Liao was way cooler when in 3025 they were "Survival at all costs" and "ends justify the means" taken to believably extreme ends, not the current cult of personality.

>>94257335
lol

>>94257313
>we will never have a fabius bile
>we will never have a vect
>we will never have a guilleman
>we will never have a khorne or nurgle
>we will never have any character of note except OP as fuck mercs and clan wolf win at everything ubermensch

Where are our relatable and kick ass lyran, marik, and non-liao liao characters?

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>>94257337
Nevermind, found it.

So basically you copy the BV cost of each ton of ammo for each TAG you have. So if you have a single ton of LRM20 ammo(23 BV) and you have two TAGs, the total BV of your force increases by 46.

>>94257354

It's even less interesting than that though. At least in brand wars the brands try to maneuver themselves in different ways. Pepsi for a long time tried to be the boat-shaker to Coke's dominance.

Ford was seen as a little crappier than Chevy (Found On Road Dead), but its owners prided themselves on being more handy. Ford tries to brand itself towards people with small penises who need to compromise, Chevy tries to lure in people blinded by form.

I get that hte Steiner and Marik families hate each other but that's a bit abstract to go on.

>>94257417
Thats literally why i drive a ford

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>>94257388
Actually leaning most towards Tsang Xiao, though I fear the stripes.

>>94257427
Its easy, paint cream then paint yellow and red on top

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Arw there any clan units named 'the shooting stars' or 'falling stars'?

I want to name my OC striker cluster something like that, but I don't want to double dip if it's already taken

>>94257284
>ADB is a good writer
No, no he is not.

>>94257437
I just envision a lot of taping in the future. The stripes are much cleaner lines than anything I've attempted before.

I'm honestly really envious of people who have a ton of lore for their dudes and have played them in campaigns. I have my dudes but just making up lore without any games or campaigns to organically flesh it out just feels wanky. Like if you have a pilot who got super lucky over a few games that can make a really good story and is pretty cool, but If you just declare your pilot did X it's kinda lame. Going full campaign ops is a bit much, but I'm not sure how else to build up lore and background for my dudes.

>>94257462
Fun thing. The Mercs Campaign system in the new box set produces forces that can just be used in a pickup game and your opponent need never know there's bookkeeping happening behind the scenes. Great for exactly your situation if you can't rope your group into a full campaign.

>>94257478
That wouldn't happen to be loaded up in snords loot pile would it?

>>94257485
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/fu457aacsuri3nvjkp057/Mercs-Photodump-PDF.pdf?rlkey=47ljlg6lmcwahslxn8h59gk53&st=dlntr2ua&dl=0

This should work

>>94257498
You are a good man. I'll give this a gander. Does it interact with salvage at all?

>>94257511
Yup, you can adjust how good your salvage rights are as part of the contract building step.

>>94257346
It's just business, aside from the Bolan Question. They're both big industrial powerhouses that would much rather be profiting off of everyone else's wars. That puts them directly at odds, especially with the FWL supplying the DCMS en mass.

Because Battletech originated in the 1980s, liek Star Wars, homosexuality does not exist in the setting

>94257559
>liek

>>94257373
Silver Hawks got and get a lot of fluff, and they're in the wedge facing Terra, so they're up against everyone, including the occasional Kurita or Davion misadventure.
That said, I wish there was more about the planets around Oliver, they're supposed to have been in a mutual defense alliance called the Ring Coalition which only gets mentioned in relation to one or two of them. I've played an RPG character from there, so it's been an interest for me.

Fuck the Free Worlds League and the Rasalhague Republic. The only great houses that matter are those with a distinct ethnic background and culture

>>94257577
Free Worlds League are full of pajeets

>>94257577
Tired of /40kg/?

>>94257444
Worse, anon. There's a WoB unit with that designation.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/10th_Division_(Word_of_Blake)

Ain't nobody gonna touch that one with a barge pole.

>>94257559
Which is why Battletech and its fans have always been problematic, and why a new generation of writers is going to fix the bigotry inherent in the setting, whether you like it or not.

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>94257577
>>94250850

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>>94257588