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You have to eat the bugs.
pioneer goldspanbro take notethis card is interesting in the deck and might have a home somewhere. it does weird accelerationy things in formats that don't normally have those and it turns on immediately unlike steamkin.
>>94253576This should be the slogan to Nu-MTG.>Pokemon - "Gotta catch 'em all!">Magic the Gathering - "You have to play against it."
New Thread, perfect time to show the second draft on my chart thing to quickly provide context in arguments about MTG using outside Genre and Tropes.Any Feedback to make it better is appreciated.
So now that we know that sales > all. When will be getting the Ladies of MTG XXX Edition set?
>>94253576>print beautiful Bob art>it's worthless because it dies to Orcish Bowmasters, a card that isn't even from MTG
>>94253616you're on a device that plays jsut about any riley reid video for free and you want to jerk off to mtg card artthe fuck's wrong with you
>>94253621Anon. Use your brain for one single second and reread the post.
I should be excited that Bob is coming to Pioneer but I can't now that Wizards pissed all over Standard.
>>94253618Dark Confidant has been essentially unplayable for awhile now.
>>94253576I'll be sure to use this whenever I sit across from a tranny and play my guru mana base.
>>94253633Dark Confidant is in Jumpstart, which isn't Standard/Pioneer legal.
Play better games
>>94253644I dont know what this is.
Its not that its UB coming to Standard. Its that its Final Fantasy and Spider Man coming to Standard.
>>94253643
>>94253621>lol just watch porn lololololNo, I like attractive women and want them on my cards.
I'm starting to think Maro is just your run of the mill conniving Jew.
>>94253612This is very accurate
>>94253576I want anteI don't want UB
>>94253612Good but too small and compressed
>>94253612it's read from left to right, not from right to leftpretty ok collage as it is, dunno what'd make it better
>>94253576Consider the following>LGS has a tight knit community of grognard players that play sanctioned events for constructed formats but mutually agree to never use a UB card>some guy on holiday decides to bring his deck along to an event>the deck contains a bunch of numagic slop both UB and otherwise>he's informed that UB is not welcome here and people with spare decks offer to lend him theirs, but he declines>everyone refuses to play against him and he's assigned losses for each roundSounds like the community as a whole has dictated what the game is.
>>94253649Flesh and blood, niche game but somehow has a better competitive scene and prizes than MTG
>>94253674Are you reading it by just hovering over the image instead of actually opening it?
>>94253621>just watch porn!!!tell that to whoever put bear sex into the Pathfinder videogame
>>94253664Then why don't you post one?
>>94253644FAB is not better than MTGNetrunner though, i do play it.
>>94253681How am I supposed to know what this card does?>youtube Flesh and Blood>latest video is Hawk from Cobra Kai doing an ad for themlol kinda based
>>94253693Is Darwin still good
>>94253690>Hating based CentiI'm sorry, is Girl Joker more your speed?
>>94253644>Nobody around here plays anything but MTGHow come no one's tried to make a new Shandalar, like a fun CRPG/CCG that also makes for a good MP game. Closest we got in recent times is Gwent?
UB sounds fun for draft but cringe for standardalso capeshit is the worst. spiderman is boring
>>94253618I experienced this the other day in a webcam game. I played updated 2011 deadguy ale against UB froginator - he turn 1 entombs archon, dazed my t2 play then went fetch pass, I put a land into play and passed back, he EOT fetches to surveil and I show him an opposition agent which resolves and steals his land. Then he topdecks reanimate and just wins the game from there.Game 2 I played a dark confidant which was killed by bowmasters, then I failed to get beyond 2 lands while he hits me with the orcs until I die.>>94253681Approximately how much should I expect to spend on a deck for LGS play?
>Six incoming sets and I literally don't give a fuck about a single one>In fact, I loathe the themes of every single oneI think this is it ladsI think we've finally made it
>>94253713maybe he just hates gachaslopyou got any Wixoss card art to throw at him?
>>94253693>more skill expression>no downtime on decision making>possible to actually build decks around characters/classes you like.>not better than Bob the Spongening.I don't think so.>>94253697By reading the backside of the card, that's just an alternate version of the token hero card with a full art on the back.
>>94253612I don't get what the cards selected in the "Surrender to Outside Cultural Resonance" are trying to show.
>>94253729TCGs are practically gacha, but I got you, complete with Womb Tattoo, IN English. WOTC could never.
>>94253551perro caca
>>94253727Isn't it kinda neat, though, that we're watching the death of a game in real time?Cause it's obvious Hazbro is unsustainable. This model of pushing as many sets as possible is unsustainable. It may take a while, but they will die or get bought out.
https://rhysticstudies.substack.com/p/what-are-we-doing-reallynobody likes what's happening
>>94253612get help
>>94253576It funny he says this because the only format that's alive right now is the one that has the most "agree to not play against these legal cards" occurring.
>>94253779>compares the MTG card template to a funko popbrutal
>>94253779it's what hasbro shareholders want so somebody likes what is happening.
>>94253779who is this person again
>>94253679Sounds like a great way to get unwanted drama at your store if someone makes a stink about it online.
>>94253779>goes over the "let people have fun" arguementBased. Tired of that shit.Although, if you go on reddit, you'll still find people saying "woah Spongebob! That's my childhood!" and other defenses for this garbage. So it will continue.
>>94253675Thanks, Will Fix alongside some other minor Grammar issues>>94253751The idea is that its meant to show 1. That MTG had given up on trying to make a version of Egypt or Pirates that is distinctively magic (I went back and forth on putting Ixalan in that box but the Pirates were to much for me to not put them there) and instead are just trying to make MTG into the Tropes still with the bare minimum pretense of being a MTG setting2. That the only exceptions to this were explicit nostalgia sets meant to revisit a plane using its most surface level aspects, memberberry shit. If you have any idea on how to convey that better would appreciate it>>94253780I'm working on this so that when an event like the "Innistrad set a bad habit" discussion from last night happens again people who are not up to date on the periodic but not consistently discussed talking points don't get confused about what people mean and have a baseline to engage.
>>94253874seems like a lot of trouble to go to for a game about spiderman
stop doomingwe still have magic IP sets like death race and star wars to look forward to
>>94253887Fair, but I'm one of those guys that self identified as a Vorthos as a teen so In for a Penny as they say.
>>94253892
>>94253898Based
>>94253779
>>94253612We can have a flying saucer but not a revolver...shit game
>>94253642
>>94253576>you haveI don't have to if I stop playing
>>94253726>Approximately how much should I expect to spend on a deck for LGS play?It depends on the hero, starters are at 40$-60$ range and upgrading your deck can get you to anything between 400-1000 bucks, the most expensive staples aren't particularly necessary for most classes if you're just playing locally and they're minor gains overall when compared to the rest of the deck. The upside however is that any of the generic staples you buy can be used on different heroes significantly decreasing the cost of newer decks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh36wu9ZdIY
>>94253964I hard quit, got rid of my cards entirely, when the first UB dropped and the commander cuckold council didn't immediatley ban them.I saw the writing on the wall.I left.And you know how it feels, to have been the doomsayer people called an idiot, and to have been right all along?it hurts
>aetherdrift looks bad>piles of UB garbage>Edge of Eternities is almost certainly going to be Duskmourn/Karlovmanor tier referencesso tarkir is the only set for a year that might be passablegrim
>>94253993this is just how I feel about western civilization as a whole. emperors and clothes, that's how it goes.
>>94253551in five years Magic: the Gathering will be renamed The Black Aragorn Cinematic Universe
Return to Bikini Bottom
>>94253779I'm happy that embracing UB will rid us of the insufferable content creators.
>>94254040kekspongebobposting is my favorite now
>>94253753god i wish they'd rerun the pre-DIVA sets in english toothe art was even more back then and the gameplay was better too
Someone post the comic.
>>94254060As you wish milord
>>94254040Keep this up and we're hopefully gonna manifest the death of this shit game
>>94254047Are you feeling it now Mr Krabs?
>>94254073Now updated for standard legalities :)
All the pronouns shit on every single MTG event is dreadful.
I like UB better than the recent """magic sets""" desu>dude mafia criminals>dude le old west but magic
>>94254098disney would never let magic make a card about elsa
Are any of you guys playing the trick or treat chaos sealed? I'm going to it tomorrow, and I intend to win.
anyone remember ravnica remastered? what a stinker that was. i predict innistrad remastered will be the same unless they put something like chrome mox in the special guest slot
I read comments and shit and it feels like that old meme picture with people moving into your hobby and ruining it. Like ffs you started playing last year due to that shitty lotr set stfu about shitting on the magic lore like it never matter. Maybe not to you you assholes but to me it was kinda special and i know to many other people also. I do not want to see fucking Gandalf or Spiderman being summoned in my games. Where the fuck did these people come from and why do they think they should have an opinion when they only been into the game for a short time from sets magic players never liked. Fucking funko pop of a game. Fuck this!
>>94254123They might. Lord of the Rings and even Marvel had their own trading card games, but we see them here in MTG.
>>94254146LOTR's is completely unknown, and Marvel's is strictly in the mobile/digital space which Magic isn't competing against quite as strongly. When Magic does a Warcraft set I'll be ready to believe anything could happen.
Is flesh and blood good? Feels kind of late in the game to get into it.
>>94254123They let us make a card out of Captain America
>>94254141your meme m'lord
>>94254173it's novel and interesting but it suffers from a comparatively shallow cardpool and relatively strict deck archetypes.
>>94254173The game is at it's best time to get into, most of the cards are at reasonably affordable prices when compared to before. It only sucks if you want to play runeblade or wizard since the latest set was designed for those classes and their cards are more expensive than other classes.
>>94254119This, i don't get why people are treating the copse of ravnica or innistrad being dragged out for the 4th time is some kind of sacred cow or untouchable setting, and every new plane they have made is just as gimmicky and full of callbacks as anything else now.>BUT BUT IRONMAN ATTACKS GANDOLF ON THE BATTLE BUS FROM FORTNITEso, mtg has always had absurd shit, "LOL 15 SQUIRRELS KILLED CATHULLU! EPIC RANDOM!"I dont care either way, but stop acting like mtg's setting was any good, the best mtg has EVER been is low mediocre.
How long until this drops?
>>94254290One of the lads at my LGS had to compose himself for a moment when I suggested we'd see something like this or a South Park set within 5 years
>>94254297South Park has stick of truth, so it might work better for them.
>>94254269peak mtg mogs shitty boring capeshit that has been milked for like 60 years alreadyonly the r*ddit genre trope sets have been bad
I want to throatfuck Maria until she dies
When would you say Nü-Magic started? I'd argue Theros as that was the start of the gay trope shit
>>94254119It's all hand in hand. They've been sacrificing creativity upon the altar of pop culture for years. UB is just dropping the pretenses.
do collectible card games really make so much money from normalfags?why not just make standalone card games with magic ruleset for spongebob/whatever
>>94254269>the setting was weak at times so instead of improving it....let's just have Spongebob and Shadow the Hedgehog battle!!!!!!!!lmao
>>94254328when the first planeswalker card was playtested
>>94253576You have to play against my kkk card because of this
>>94254341the first magic card to mention planeswalker cards is Tarmogoyf.Goyf wants things in the graveyard to pump itself.If the whole GAME dies, goyf's stock go to the moon.We should have seen it coming.
>>94254269See >>94253612
>>94254269i mean yea and people called them out on that shit too.
>>94254328Dragons of Tarkir. Ever since Sarkhan fucked with the timeline, things have progressively gotten shittier with the setting.
>>94254328Nü-Magic started when we left Dominaria and entered Mirrodin.
>>94254269>It was always shit so turning it into Fortnite is an improvementWhether or not you like Magic's setting, nothing is improved by becoming a cum dumpster for 3rd party IPs.
>>94254364That one doesn't work. We already left dominaria with Rath.
>>94254181I hate how real this is.
>>94254181This, except replace the third step with WotC actively baiting normies and undesirables. Realistically speaking you can't gatekeep someone the lord is inviting over.
>>94254334>do collectible card games really make so much money from normalfags?No, which is why they keep trying to bait in normalfags with crossovers. How to retain those normalfags after the initial sell is beyond the planning capabilities of Hasbro executives. It doesn't really matter because the next crossover will bring in another surge of new players to make up the losses and we can just keep doing that again and again forever, right? Right?
>>94254355>russian Tarmogoyf is the one behind MTG's deathit all makes sense now
>>94253576Shareholders arent players, you jew.
>>94254427They said players are attracted by the crossover and stay for the gameplay.
>>94254377>YOUR shit is worse than MY shitit still shit, we can spend all day comparing the viscosity, smell, and color of our turds, but at the end of the day we are playing with shit, only difference is you are trying to compare your fresh turd with one that has not come out of wotc's asshole yet.
>>94253576Fuck this makes me want to rip MaRo heart and eat it while screaming "ITS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, NOSEWATER!!!"But that would be too mercyful for this bunch of corporate faggots...
>>94254449I'm not comparing your shit to my shit. I'm saying the quality of shit is always decreased by the addition of copious amount of semen.
>>94253779>shitty chronic point missers have a substackidk i find that so funny/fitting but I do
>>94253576Didn't Maro say the same shit about stickers?look how that ended up
>>94253892Yep and in the middle of that absolute shit like FF and Spiderman.How can't we don't doom when the doom is already upon us all? Is like this is the last real magic year, like a terminal cancer killing something you used to like.
>>94254412Thats a really great way to put it
>>94254445They don't stay because the gameplay is complete ass and WotC is determined to keep it ass because that's ironically how they extract value from the already entrenched whales.
>>94254073>>94254098Was only a meme.Now is reality.What a time to be alive.
capitalism is the real issue hereyou need a privately owned company or it eventually turns into capeshit, gangster rap, mafia slop, etc. to make money from normies
>>94254269I dont really like Magic, specially the last sets so... what's the problem if we just shit on it?: The Post
>caster keeps pronouncing haughty as "who-watty"Where do they find these retards?
>>94254498>it's the systems fault!!!>not the retarded agents in the systemSpoken like a true politics-brained retard.
>>94254498The problem is the people in charge of the game hate the playerbase, and are trying to replace them with new players
>>94254509Saying it like that so they don't accidentally say hottie and get flayed on twitter
I don't actually mind UB too much.It's the shitty art design and settings of the real magic stuff that sucks. Everything is weirdly modern these days. LOTR and even Assassins Creed fit better than Aetherdrift does.
>>94254181The only problem with this meme is that even if there never were any girls it still would have ended up this wayIts a melvin problem, melvins eternally want to prove they arent just bad spikes or uncreative johnnies
>>94254498Why is everything being made in pop culture just a rethread of stuff that was popular and made decades ago? Songs, movies, games. And it's always the most popular stuff also, it's like people have become zombies and love thing they recognize.
>>94254513>new players>with 20+ year old IPs that have not been relevant in decades.No, they are draining people who are 30+ years old.
>>94254512lol. the agents get fired if they don't max profits. that's how it works.while companies I like who are always based (like Valve) just happened to be private and owned by a based person...
>>94254498>commies constantly blaming capitalism for their cultural revolution backfiring Well you burnt it all down and recreated it in your image, dont blame others for it being ugly
>>94254537I'm not talking specifically about the CEOs. Ideally, the consumer isn't retarded too. If the consumer isn't 70iq and doesn't buy everything that has a onions-crossover, the CEOs wouldn't push it.
>>94254498The problem is Hasbro being wildly shortsighted despite going through this multiple times with all their other failed properties. That's just plain incompetence.
Imagine, complaining about capitalism ruining a game that would not exist without capitalism.
does anyone have the clown zone pic? I could really use it right now
>>94254503mtg tone and setting has been on the decline for over a decade, if wotc saw it has a problem it would have changed years ago. stop acting like there is a "make mtg not shit" switch on Maro's desk that he refuses to move.
>>94254554It's ironic but at the same time he's not wrong with the chasing profits
>>94254554>games didn't exist before 1600's
>>94254559Has nothing to do with that. As long as there are more people who will buy slop than who will not. The problem is THE PLAYERs. Every person you see ruining UB cards is the problem. If no one bought a single UB product for the next year, WOTC would 180
>>94254554retard take from a brainrotted zoomer
>>94254554This never becomes a more intelligent observation no matter how many times you retards try to make it
>>94254541there's always more normies than nerdsthat's why they want to normify everything
>>94254566>>94254577>>94254573Capitalism has been the natural way of humanity since the first man traded an animal pelt for an Axe. Deal with it commie retards.
>>94254559Killing your cash cow is not chasing profits, there are well established guidelines for how to handle cash cows and this aint it.
>it made more money, so we went back on our word
No self respecting person would continue playing mtg after this
So we /premodern general/ now?
>>94254526Wait did they actually spoil a card from the """"Death Race"""" set?And THAT is the fucking aesthetic they decided to go for? Gay plastic cringe on wheels?Not rusted machismo murder machines?Not Speed Racer hyper-reality surrealist racing dreamscapes?Not Redline's pulse-pounding style?Fucking poser goblin greasers on wheelchairs? THAT'S what they went for?
>>94254569I mean, a major purpose of doing these crossovers is grabbing people outside the usual playerbase. The majority of Magic players could refuse to buy UB shit and it would still probably make money just from newfags and speculators. I mean, how many people have you ever actually seen playing Secret Lair crap? Yet we're always told Secret Lairs are wildly popular and successful.
OMG BOLAS IS GOING TO WIN THE DEATH RACE TO GET HIS SPARK BACK WHICH IS WHY WE GO BACK TO TARKIR WITH UGIN!!!
>>94254590i would give my soul to baal just for a chance to slap rosewater face as hard as i could. what an absolute corporate subhuman.
>>94254590>2) It turned out to be an even better entry point for new playersINTRODUCING NEW PLAYERS TO YOUR GAME VIA AN IP THAT ISN'T YOUR FUCKING GAME IS NOT A GOOD INTRODUCTION TO YOUR GAME YOU FUCKING INSUFFERABLE FRUITFLIES CIRCLING THE ANUS OF POP CULTURE
>>94254588What about division of labor within a community?I'e, one guy makes an axe because the group need an axe and because he is part of the group he makes it for someone else to use?Where's your Mechanical Solidarity as defined by Durkhime bro?
>>94254596I knowIm trying so fucking hard to distance myself from it but I am having a hard time
>>94253582Interesting find, thank you. I'll put it on my list to try out
>>94254588I'm not communist fren. But you do you and enjoy the usury and being exploited for all you have by unelected oligarchs that has no obligations or responsibilities towards the people they have power over.
>>94254601They also nerfed Daretti's Gobbo nose because Wizards hates race having any bad/ugly traits now.
>>94254073>All we're missing is Kylo Ren and Travis Scott>We already have Post Malone so Travis is basically already covered
>>94254601>>94254526>Infinite universes available>No one in INFINITY REALITIES knows how to fix a cripples legs
>>94254590Summary so you dont waste time with Nosewater lies: Money, money, money!!!! Short term profits is all what matters shut up bunch of nerds and CONSOOM
>>94254588I'm not even a communist, anon, I just don't worship mammon like you do.
>>94254590Did fallout really bring in even a single new player?
>>94254526pretty much, their latest original sets are indistinguishable from UB desu, Duskmourn could easily have been called Stranger Things
Here is v3 of the collageAny other feedback?
>>94254589They aren't killing the cow you specifically are being replaced for another more gullible consumer
>>94254626>No one in INFINITY REALITIES knows how to fix a cripples legs>Rainbow Six: Siege character that controls literal bipedal, walking fucking robots, but still uses a wheelchair>D&D Cleric with the Regeneration spell, but still uses a wheelchair.>MTG goblin in a world of artifice, omnipowerful healing magics and wish-granting beings... still uses a wheelchair.Pure stupidity is most powerful force in the multiverse.
>>94254588You are so stupid your entire world view can only be binary a literal bot is smarter than you, kys.
>>94254632>>94254590You have what is know in the gacha world as the "collab effect". Collabs bring in waves of new players, but only a tiny, and I mean tiny, number stick around post collab.
>>94254590Tricking some Fallout fans to buy a pre-con and play a single game before going back to video games is not a good entry point to Magic.
One Piece is seriously really good bros. Just in case
>>94254512Yeah that's exactly how it works it's the system that leads these people to thrive in the first place.
bros I'm starting to think the only reason Bloomburrow didn't suck ass was because you literally can't fuck up "put cute animals on cards"
>>94254650I can't fuck with anime product IP it feels soullessI did hear good things about it though
>>94254650Yeah but it's one piss
>>94254641Driving away long time, repeat customers in favor of gullible, yet fleeting retards is how you kill a cash cow.
The root of modern capitalism is this impossible gay "line goes up forever" shit that's, on its face, not sustainable but all of its boosters just ignore that entirely because they're braindead brainwashed corporate chattel
>>94254498>capitalism is the real issue hereThe current state of affairs is not capitalist.It is oligarchic corporatocracy.If the money is fake, you do not have capitalism. If fiscal incentive structures are engineered, you do not have capitalism.
>>94254498Private ownership is literally capitalism. What you seem to have a problem with is publicly traded companies.
The killer to me is that dickriders and retards will claim mtg didnt have a strong enough IP and blame this retard shit on that. The reality is when I started playing in 2013, I was immediately sucked into the aesthetic of mtg and had so many OH SHIT THATS MAGIC moments. Like elesh norn, so fucking iconic I knew who she was before I played same with garruk. Idk what my point is other than I resonated with mtg in a way that I never experienced before and I take it personally when people say the IP was weak.
>>94254673Which is why they then put out a new set of cards of that IP to milk that group again
>>94254673This is a process we've seen for 2 decades now in the video game and film industry. >Board and/or CEO sees a formula to extract as much wealth from an IP is they can>Drain all good will from the IP and make as much money in as short of time as they can>Abandon Brand/IP/whatever and move on to the next one consequence free.It has been 20 years of this.
>>94254689Occupy Wall Street 2.0 when?
>>94254658Its because furry artists have a harder time with human proportions than animals
>>94254686Yup
>>94254719Unfortunately, never, because they diverted all that angst into identity politics instead of class politics
>>94254686Money was always fake. Money originated as a means of taxing conquered peoples efficiently, not as a way of exchanging good and services on a free market.
>>94254526wasn't deretti's old wheelchair supposed to have manipulator arms and shit to help him with his tinkeringwhy would he be using some basic bitch wheelchair now
>>94254715Well, yes, because long-term sustainability doesn't matter when they plan on burning the company down and jumping out of the building with a golden parachute.
>>94254638the on the nose references were already past the point of no return with the first EldraineAlso theres really no excuse to seperate the two trojan horses. Theyre both thee same reference and both just as bad
>>94254696Very much the same, i love looking at older cards and read the flavortext and look at the art. Then read up on the lore about characters that is referenced in the card. It feels really disrespectful towards something i personally love and it kinda hurts.
>>94254700Yeah, I'm sure that'll work forever. Never gonna run out of relevant 3rd party IPs willing to dump their load in Magic so that WotC can pay for Daddy Hasbro's life support.
>Shota fansWW@???
Its mindboggling how wotc has, rather than capitalized on the MTG IP and done something useful with it, decided to rape it to death and just whore out the game mechanicsI dont get itEven with fairly recent sets like Brothers War I still saw vestiges of a setting worth caring about
>>94254526
>>94254328Theros was an indicator of things to come, since it's when they explicitly went for a pop-culture understanding of Greek myth, rather than the very thorough research that went into Kamigawa.It might not have been the exact start, but it heavily contributed towards the Theme Park feeling of planes, and it's only gotten worse since then. I think it was more of an experiment that sold well and signaled to WotC that they didn't have to try as hard.
>>94254689yesif it's privately owned by the nerd founder, or employee-owned (by nerds who actually wanted to work there) it's usually fine
>>94253551Honestly, are the recent sets really any different from the UB's? I mean, murder mystery, wild west cowboys, Redwall, haunted mansion, death race, outer space? This shit hasn't been Magic for a while now.
>>94254756Again, the people ruing HASBRO do not care! The do not give a shit, because as soon as things take a turn for the worst they know they can cut and run to different companies that will welcome them with open arms because of their history of making profit at all the other companies they've killed. They want as much money as fast as they can get it. Why do you think the rules committee for commander was shut down within a month of them fucking with their money?
I want to kill myself because I can't strap down Maria and fuck her tits
>>94254735>Money was always fake.>Money originated as a means of taxing conquered peoples efficiently, not as a way of exchanging good and services on a free market.That is the most wrong thing I have ever seen someone state.Silver was used as the means of currency across cultures because storing water in a silver vessel, or tossing silver coins into a non-silver vessel, would keep still water potable indefinitely. Most forms of money throughout history were staple foods (Wheat, rice) or drink (Wine, beer) as calories = important, alongside silver as fresh water = vital.Currencies are all fake, money is not.Money is merely the most commonly exchanged commodity.Real money is when the most commonly exchanged commodity holds its position because of its real, practical uses.
>>94254774I don't care how much of a meme it is to like kamigawa, I never had to play the standard environment I dont care how bad it was the set is beautiful and genuinely felt foreign (thats a good thing)
>>94254777its not magic but its not literally marvel/doctorwho/finalfantasyit went from a soulful setting to a soulless uninspired setting to literally not a setting just product to selluninspired setting is still preferable
>>94254498nothing says capitalism like printing money and redistributing it based on race
>>94254756In 10 years they'll have a better job in another company doing the same shit and you'll be there saying see I was right they don't give a shit kek
>>94254791Post her tits, im not going to watch the shitshow
I think they should bring back world enchantments and get rid of this ugly digital art. Guess the game is just not for me, gonna have to make my own game.
>>94254805Maria paizuri
>>94254777Trips of truth. At this point I'd rather have SpongeBob vs Spiderman than nigger Aragorn vs poorly drawn cowboy with gun-but-it-isn't-a-gun
>>94254793>>94254793>Real money is when the most commonly exchanged commodity holds its position because of its real, practical uses.While I agree with you up to a point, I also have to point out that this is simply boomer rock bagholder cope.
>>94254813Nice
>>94254813Those are some nice tits
>>94254650It’s got a similar issue to Universes Beyond for me in that you can’t actually do anything interesting with the cards since the narrative is tied down to an outside piece of media. Even with recent years there have been cards that are exciting because of how they exist within the Magic universe. Vorinclex on Kaldheim? Compleated Tamiyo? He’ll even Thalia and The Gitrog Monster. All of these are cool because they’re doing something new to a character or setting. With a spiderman set you can’t just go “oh yeah spiderman fucking dies” or “spiderman and the green goblin team up!” (I don’t follow comics, my bad if some of these things actually did happen) because that would contradict the media that the cards are a supplemental product for. They can only show “spiderman” or “radioactive spider bite”
>>94253576Don't worry, we can go lower.
good magic sets > UB I like > r*ddit trope magic sets > UB I don't like
>>94254817>While I agree with you up to a point, I also have to point out that this is simply boomer rock bagholder cope.Irrelevant statement.
>>94254345Based
>>94254790It's galling that a company can look at some faggot MBA who's been with a dozen companies in the past half dozen years and not see it as a red flag. But of course they don't see the problem because the people doing the hiring are also faggot MBAs who jump ship biannually.The only solution is total MBA death.
>>94254816I'd rather have neither
Nothing. I repeat, NOTHING can make an UB set compete with an actual Magic set.No matter how much you try to meme or how much you feel like "could be fun" having Wolverine, Aragorn, Spiderman or Spongebob will always feel shittier than the worst real Magic set you can meme about.Stop trying to gaslight oblivious people into have some hope for UB.
>>94254861I'm gonna draft Final Fantasy and I bet it's gonna be a total shitshow
>>94254852It's because it is a truly unimportant industry for some nerd hobby, at high level it's all nepotism and connections, but this hopping from sinking ship to the next only happens in these nonessential, consequence free sectors.
>>94254861nah I would delete the whole history for naruto shippuden set
>>94253612I saw the writing on the wall and fully quit in 2017, what do I win?missing covid boost when selling out
>>94253612You spelled consistency wrong.
>>94253874I'd say Amonkhet has a pretty unique spin on Egypt with the whole Bolas thing. Even the card you picked plays into it.Even Ixalan clearly put effort into having different fantasy races among the pirates to help them stand out.It's nowhere near the creativity of the weird things you'll find on Alara, Mirrodin or even just Dominaria, but i'd argue both are more original than Theros or Innistrad.They're also definitely more bottom-up than those two sets.
>>94254872why not just make your own alters? People have done that for the longest time and didn't need a corporation wiggling their bum in exchange for cash to do it.
>>94254880while the trials gave Amonkhet a bit of a spin, it was still REALLY basic egyptian and the entire plane basically doesnt exist, just the tiny city that matters which reeks of bad world building
>>94254880It's fucked up how much more fresh even Ixalan and Almondcat feel compared to the dogshit themeparks we get now.
Can't wait
>>94254790t. No idea what he's talking aboutAnyone high enough up to drive these decisions has a large portion of their compensation in slowly vesting stock, that disappears if they hop companies. And wouldn't be hired at a senior position elsewhere if their recent experience is "joined mtg at its most profitable and watched profits plummet".Basically, they're retarded, not successfully gaming the system. Because the system is set up to not let you successfully game it, as that steals from the real people in charge: stockholders. The stockholders don't want to hire people who loot and scoot.
>>94254861>NOTHING can make an UB set compete with an actual Magic set.UB and actual magic sets have already duked it out, UB smeared a regular mtg sets, the only "real" magic sets that come close is made for commander sets like mh3 or commander masters
I wish they would make a comfy turn based rpg based around mtg. Rishadan i bet would be really comfy.
>>94254900>Ignores decades of the same behavior plaguing the entertainment industry
>>94254898I'd imagine Manson RG rather than WR
>>94254898kekBTK and dahmer would probably have some cool abilities
>>94254898What is Bundy's triggered ability?
>>94254903I have no idea if anyone still plays but if you want a tbs mtg type game you would have liked poxnora.
>>94254917Modern card design would be Dahmer -1 counters and card draw garbage
>>94254898When BTK attacks, choose one of the following that hasn't been chosen before:>Tap a creature your opponent controls and put two stun counters on it>Give a creature your opponent controls -2/-2>Destroy target creature your opponent controls with less than 5 toughness
God I wish Bolas would take me out into the desert of Amonkhet and just plow me into submission while we're so far out nobody will hear me scream or hear him roar.
>>94254911Give me an examples of decision-maker level leaders in the entertainment industry doing that. If it's a public company, it doesn't happen, because nobody being paid 80% of their annual income in stocks vesting over 3-5 years can afford to do what is claimed.
>>94254933Oh I forgot:>Exchange control of BTK with the player BTK attacked>BTK attacks each turn if able
>>94254900The trick is to come in to a moderately successful company and make a bunch of short term profit moves that pump up the stock price. Then you bail and sell out so that when the consequences for your short term decisions finally come to pass, it's the next guy's fault, not yours. After all, when you left, the company was the most profitable it had ever been.
what's his color identity
dahmer enters with 6 beer countersdruk -- consume a beer: put a stun and -1/-1 counter on target creature
>>94253576YOU HAVE TO PLAY AGAINST IT.
>>94254977green white
>>94254977Temur
UB: Anne FrankThey make the mistake of giving her a death trigger.
UB Morrowind when
>>94254979>Dahmer>Not Cranial Extraction on a stick
Daily reminder that new coke was a ploy to get consumers to accept corn syrup instead of cane sugarIm sure that can apply to mtg somehow
>>94254960>sell out>stock takes 3-5 years to vest (be sellable)
>>94254989They already did Fallout, so a TES UB seems inevitable. Frankly, it's bizarre they didn't do TES first.
>>94254590Neither of these things are a reason to break a promise, MaRo."They paid me to break your trust" is not a fucking good thing to do, MaRo.
>>94254902To be fair lotr had a million dollar card seeded in it
>>94255013:^)
>>94255007It's like a game of hot potato when you think about.
>>94254926Thanks it looks interesting, i was more hoping for like an old school turn based game but with no deckbuilding just set in the mtg world. Don't even necessarily want to be a planeswalker just some regular dude that starts an adventure.
>>94255021And as a result collector boosters made up a disproportionate amount of LTR sales and sales noticeably slowed after the 001/001 was found.
>>94255021And they copied that shit from the comic book industry that crashed after they tried to keep cashing on chasing that high.
>>94254893I think calling the trials "a bit of a spin" is underselling it when basically everything in the plane is structured around them.The surface-level aesthetics of the setting are admittedly 99% just basic egypt stuff, which is kind of shallow, but the idea of a plane being taken over and being secretly used as a zombie factory without its inhabitants knowing is unique, and something that comes specifically from Magic's established setting.
>>94255021>To be fair lotr had a million dollar card seeded in itTOOOR is maybe 60,000 to 215,000 dollars in real price.One retard privately paying an inflated hype price is not indicative of its real auction value.We won't know its real valuation until either it goes up for open auction, or the insurance valuation of it is publicised. I'd estimate the insurance valuation is closer to 350,000 to 500,000 dollars.It would not sell for a million dollars at auction.
>>94255048So what? The artificial hype price is what people saw and what they were chasing. No one gave a single fuck about it's "real" value or else they'd realize it's just a piece of fucking cardboard.
>>94255050
>>94255070>So what? The artificial hype price is what people saw and what they were chasing.Fair, but that just makes the people stupid, that doesn't make TOOOR valuable.
>>94255059Well certainly not now bc dead game
>>94254612i saw him irl at magic con chicago and i wanted to spit in his manlet face
>>94255074What's your point? The "true" value of the card isn't what sold packs. No one has ever cared about what it's actually worth. It's just gonna sit in Post Malone's collection until he needs some cash or dies and until then the last paid price for it was a million bucks or whatever.
>>94255088Honestly?I think if TOOOR went up for auction it might not even break a 15,000 dollar price tag.Not even dumb boomers bank bros are looking for that. If a crusty old financebro is looking to get into collectables, they're going after Black Lotuses or original test prints of the LotR books, not some shitty FOMO bait.As dumb as investors are, they are savvy when it comes to exactly this.
>>94255098>What's your point?Hype dies.Sales driven by it never come back.Selling on hype is a great way to win battles, and lose the war.
>>94254748I didn't use Eldrane because I felt I already was getting the point across.Like the reason I put a card from each block in the Mirrodin to Shadowmoor run was to prove an explicit point about how magic had a proper identity to it even with the multiverse.As for the Horses, I was taking advice from an anon last night on their egregiousness, so I will likely changed the OTJ card again.>>94254876Noted>>94254880That why I put them as "Genre with the pretense of its Own Setting" those sets are still trying to walk the walk and talk the talk but the insides have been replaced with references.Its not Magic through the Lens of Pirates, its Pirates through the Lens of Magic, putting Magic the Gathering as subservient to the tropes within the set.I used this example last night, but to my understanding Ravnica was based off of the IRL city of Prauge so looking through the OG Ravnica block how much of that block is allusions to Prauge? A handful of creatures, some minor architectural bits, and some names.Really as I have been working on this collage I have come to the conclusion that the important difference is a strong understanding of The Color Pie, not just as a set of mechanics or as an underlying ideology, but as a physical design philosophy for art and world design. The line of cards with Blue Mages and Blue Spells all share consistent design ques and tones despite being on multiple planes, even without the card frames you could put all that art in a row and still have a consistent design through line.I will hold off for a while till posting v4 just so I don't spam the thread about it and have more time to look over it.
>>94255109Oh, well yeah, I think everyone agrees it was just a shitty marketing gimmick tactic that worked out because Magic players are fucking suckers. Hopefully they won't fall for it a second time. Right?
>>94254923Bolts player/creature at the start of combat. Triggers only if you control a vehicle.
>MtG will now just be Funko pop shit for a quick buckI truly hope this ends up biting WotC hard in the ass when players don't even play the damn game anymore.
>>94255126the first horse is just as egrigious, it simply has better artIts just as obvious and in your face of a reference
>>94255099It's always been a "sell as fast as you can" card much like everything else in the game, not even reserve list cards nowadays are bound to go up in price.
>>94254880I wouldn't give Amonkhet that much credit there, and Alara is a good example why. Having Bolas wreck the plane as part of his scheme adds to the story of a block, but it doesn't really make Amonkhet as a setting any better. It's still just a single city in a vast desert that has pyramids, a river, mummies, etc. Everything you'd expect from a generic Egyptian fantasy setting, including plagues of locusts. There's much more that could have been done with an Egyptian inspiration even before Bolas showed up, but it seems like the designers went in with the mentality that Bolas was going to destroy it all, so they didn't care to put in any effort.It's like pointing to Emrakul and say that makes Innistrad unique, because you don't normally see mutated squid werewolves in gothic horror. It's a very surface level view of what makes for a distinct setting.
>Progenitus is going to be Pioneer legalHoly fuck please tell me this card will be good in a Creativity Shell or something along those lines. I want to kill people with that card again so bad, that fucker was the best creature in magic when I started playing or shortly thereafter. Conflux was still new when I started playing..
>>94255301I'm sorry anon, without Natural Order I can't think of any reason to choose cheating Progenitus into play over Atraxa or something else big that also generates card advantage on ETB
>>94254601Here they are.
>>94255323Part of the reason I'm jazzed about it is because there's not a lot in Pioneer that cleanly answers it.Sheoldred's Edict? Cool. Board wipes? Cool. Both those also answer Atraxa cleanly, and you're gonna run her anyway. Seems like a pretty solid one of to me since it's basically where it was positioned in Modern years ago. Just a big, almost unkillable beat stick. Aclazotz for a time showed us that in Pioneer that's almost acceptable as a game plan.Beats the shit out of UW control too, good luck tucking my PROTECTION FROM EVERYTHING fucker. FUCK TEFERI.
>>94255332I really like artifact sets is a shame the UBocaplypse is so close because i would be so excited for this set without that shit.
>>94254960This is exactly what happened with Unity and the current CEO of unity did the same thing at his previous job at Zynga. Short term profits > long term health
>>94255348I'm at least tangentially excited for Edge of Eternities (which I swear is a name I've seen before the set was revealed), because it's not looking like pure tech-y sci-fi from what little we've seen. Tezzeret being a space wizard shithead feels correct. Aetherdrift hasn't done much for me so far, especially since the unvisited plane turned out to be Muraganda and not Vryn, and Tarkir Dragonstorm is just... Sure? I was never a huge Tarkir fan honestly.
>>94255346I mean, UW still runs Supreme Verdict and countermagic.If you want a "fuck you controlcuck" card, play Hullbreaker Horror.
>Judge warned Marcio because Kai made a mistake What the fuck is wrong with judges?
>>94255403The game is dead. Nobody cares about rulings anymore.
>>94255332Brightass gearhulk, they are doing the exact same thing they did with rooms in duskmourn which is to tack on enchantment functionality in case the set mechanic flops or remains a niche subtype the card isn't completely useless.
>>94255346>Both those also answer Atraxa cleanly, and you're gonna run her anyway.anon, atraxa draws 4 to 5 cards when she enters, you don't care if they remove her because you're up at least 4 cards in that exchangenot gonna stop you from having fun with the old PG, but nobody playing creativity/transmogrify seriously is gonna drop atraxa to run him instead
>>94255332Gearhulk my beloved, you were meant to be a single color.
>>94255411>Nooo how dare they make cards work with cards outside their own sets
>World championship of one of the biggest TCG in the world>Judges are stupid and shitWTFFFFFFF
ICYMI: Rat boy Nosewater admitted that WotC are whores who will roll over and sanction whatever new format their (((data))) shows has enough mass appeal.What are we calling our new "pure" format, bros? And what set will be the starting point for legality? Modern, Pioneer, or something else?This might not have enough momentum right this moment, but this is 100% how the fallout from this nonsense is actually going to settle eventually.
>>94255447>The data says that everyone wants UB everywhere>the data also says that there's not enough people who want UB to make it its own formatWell, which is it?
>>94255447Gatewatch our Mascot will be Jace.
>>94255453They aren't mutually exclusive people want UB in all formats and dislike pure UB.
the data says normalfags and kids will buy the cardboard in the checkout line so you have to play against it
sephiroth will be esper by the way
>>94255467Will he?
>>94255467We've been through this, he'll be Abzan.
>>94255480outdated as fuck
>>94255480>azorius>personal privacy at the cost of securityhuh?
>>94255447>New format>That will be not Pioneer 2.0 but will have to be a containment place to scape UB slopThis game is on life support already.
what about the hidden leaf village in the land of fire (and also has the will of fire)would it be green or red
>>94255483More likely to print him just as Orzhov, but who knows.
>>94255207Bolas' machinations are pretty integral to the worldbuilding in this case. The entire culture was twisted to serve his ends. There's no denying that there's a very thick coat of Egyptian paint over everything, but there's genuine effort put into making the actual culture distinct. Like, their beliefs about death and the afterlife better resemble a parody of Jewish eschatology than they resemble the Egyptian belief in the afterlife as a grand journey to rebirth. The people of Amonkhet were devoted to preparing for the Messiah ("God-Pharaoh") to come and guide them, but their Messiah was actually an evil dragon who deceived them into turning themselves into his zombie-golem slave army.I wonder if WotC even realize how much of a dunk they were doing on Abrahamic tradition in their Egypt set.
>>94255496No they're not gonna print the ultimate commander bait card for the set at just 2 colors If anything he'll be a flip card and his god side will be all colors
>>94255493>would it be green or redwhy not both?
>>94255485It's a yes or no question if the character believes personal privacy at the cost of security is more important then they're blue leaning if not then they're white leaning.
>>94254001>aetherdrift looks badthe cards they showed so far do look pretty boring but the fact that the set is supposed to have a billion vehicles is great, I've grown tired of cheating parhelion II into play
>>94255491>This game is on life support already.i was just getting into MTG too because i liked how BLB looked. Least i knew i wasnt going to spend money on anything else of theirs anyway. Get my mice and racoons and call it dead.
>>94253576>it's what the community asked forMarketing 101.
>>94255126I guess we could argue if Amonkhet is a Bolas plane with the pretense of an Egyptian setting, or an Egyptian plane with the pretense of a Bolasian setting, but I think that if you look at the first Amonkhet set especially, you can make a strong case that "Nicol Bolas world" is just as much if not more core to Amonkhet as the Egyption stuff.The trials, the manipulative religion, the enslavement and hidden exploitation of all people, the wasteland outside of the controled city, the ironically named cards, and the general cruelty of the setting are all there because of Bolas.The execution would obviously be different, but wou could transfer these ideas to any given setting.On a mechanical level, cycling, -1/-1 counters and exert all came from wanting to portray Bolas's influence too.>>94255207Assuming i'm reading you correctly, I agree that Amonkhet as a plane doesn't have a lot of depth, and that having Bolas act on it doesn't really make the plane in and of itself anymore interesting.It is essentially just a generic blank slate prop for Bolas to use.But that's exactly why i like it.The idea of a Planeswalker completely taking over a plane and molding it to be exactly the way he wants is really interesting to me. And sure, that context doesn't make the plane itself expansive, but as an element of a larger setting, it does expand that setting and what's possible in it.I also think that a people comming to terms with their lower gods dying and their essentially omnipotent god being evil is an interesting story in it's own right, which would get muddled if Bolas were just one of many relevant actors in the rich history of the plane - even if that version would technically be more deep and expansive.>>94255485That's not Azorius, it's a conflict between white and blue with blue prefering privacy and white security.
>>94255381This is just set up for the Star Wars secret lairs, you know this, right? The entire set exist to justify a start wars crossover.
>>94255552>It is essentially just a generic blank slate prop for Bolas to use.Basically yes>But that's exactly why i like it.You can like whatever you want, but in the context of a discussion of the quality of MtG's settings and their execution, Amonkhet being a blank slate is an example of how things have gone downhill. Again, Alara is a good example. In the past, a plane would have still been fleshed out by WotC, even if it was going to be irrevocably altered by an exterior villain's scheme. Amonkhet didn't need to be a generic blank slate for the storyline to work.WotC should be capable of fleshing out the plane enough to be both Bolas and Egypt, because that simply gives it even more depth and detail.
what have they done to the game I loved...
if they have fewer magic (IP) sets to focus on, maybe they will be better quality
>>94255648Worse. It's going to be Rebel Moon
>>94255648You people say this shit about every set.
The one ring lotto gimmick was a scam. It was preplanned to be found by a designated store and immediately sold to Post for money laundering.
>>94255679The fuck you talking about stupid nigger? What other set could have possibly have been a vehicle for a Star Wars crossover? Have we had a set about space opera before you gay fucking retard? Tell me about it? You stupid cum drinker.
>>94255702Can confirm. (Source: I am Post Malone)
>>94255702I don't know about any money laundering, but they knew exactly where that card was at all times. There was no way they were going to risk it getting trashed somehow or hidden in some investor's pallet of sealed boxes.
>>94253576>You accept that part of being a member of the community is allowing the community, as a whole, to dictate what the game is.If the community wants UB, then they are wrong. UB has completely and thoroughly thrashed the identity and the spirit of the game. If Hasbro corporate wants to suck these folks off nowadays because they're whales and spend money without any care for the long-term health of the game, go for it. But I don't have to standby and accept it. Guess I'm not a Magic player anymore as far as these assholes are concerned.
>>94255650>In the context of a discussion of the quality of MtG's settings and their execution, Amonkhet being a blank slate is an example of how things have gone downhill.It isn't if it being a blank slate serves a purpose for fleshing out the greater Magic setting as a whole.>WotC should be capable of fleshing out the plane enough to be both Bolas and Egypt, because that simply gives it even more depth and detail.If you mean in terms of doing more interesting things while staying within the framework of Bolas' scheme, sure. They could've done a lot more, and the set would've been better off for it. If you mean in terms of expanding the scope beyond Bolas' influence, you can't really do both 100% dominated by Bolas and also have a fleshed out story about things that don't involve him.
>>94255453Eh, that's not really a contradiction as far as I can tell. It's almost certainly untrue and/or a misrepresentation or poor analysis of the (((data))) they're working with."Everyone" wants to be UB inclusive, but they don't necessarily want to be UB exclusive.>>94255457Pioneer but slightly fewer sets included?Of course the White man has to be the mascot, there's no other good choice :)>>94255491>not Pioneer 2.0I mean, basically that's exactly what it will be. Modernfags slurped up the UB slop so hard I doubt they'd be willing to participate in the creation of a new format.
>>94255480This chart implies it's impossible for anyone to be a wedge color.
if you had a hundred billion dollars, what would you do with it?feed, clothe, and house the needy? invest in curing diseases? maybe run for president?Me, I'd buy WotC. The whole thing. Just so I'd have the power to say "no, stop that"
>>94255862I would just live the way I live now, but more carefree.
>>94255862I'd try to end human trafficking
>>94255862I'd try human trafficking
>>94255862I'd go fund an anime adaptation of the Bible where Mary is smoking hot
Any QUITchads here? (you must have quit prior to 2021 to apply)
>>94255862I would buy more shares of Gamestop
>>94255862I would put it all on black at the casino.
>>94255705You say every set is a vehicle to do a crossover. Then the crossover doesn't happen.
>>94255909I quit in 1999 and only came back to play casual proxied EDH with friends.It's genuinely baffling how in 20 years the game has the same fucking problems with bad card design and godawful story.
>>94255909I sold my paper decks after ZEN. But now I still dabble in digital now and then.
>>94255935You say you don't ride strange mens dicks, yet you constantly get caught with dick in your ass.
>>94255909I stopped giving WotC a cent after fucking Companions and have only proxied ever since.
>>94255909THE BLACK ARAGORN CINEMATIC UNIVERSE
>>94255909I quit in 2020 but came back to play some edh with a friend a day before that format died which meant my collection went back in the attic Lmao i could never have foreseen this cockshit getting worse
>>94256102https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRGql03ZoGIWHO LIVES IN A PINEAPPLE UNDER THE SEAHASBRO'S STOCK PRICE
>>94256118This guy is kind of a retard though, his assessment of why modern is bad misses the point entirely and his hate boner for blood moon is baffling
>>94255779>It isn't if it being a blank slate serves a purpose for fleshing out the greater Magic setting as a whole.It being a blank slate doesn't serve that purpose though. It serves that purpose in spite of being a blank slate. Much in the same way that a stage without any props or scenery still serves the purpose of a stage on which an actor can speak. The actor can still perform on an empty stage, but the empty stage isn't enhancing the performance. >They could've done a lot more, and the set would've been better off for it. Exactly. Amonkhet is lesser and is worse for it. >you can't really do both 100% dominated by Bolas and also have a fleshed out story about things that don't involve him.I disagree. It's like saying you can't have anything happen on Innistrad without Sorin (or Avacyn by extension) being involved. By covering more depth and detail, more stories become possible, even if they're smaller in scale or scope. But even if we are going to say that Bolas has to be involved, anyone exiled to the desert for breaking the laws that Bolas established has Bolas involved. Therefore, any settlements of survivors, rebels, or outcasts in the sands beyond the city would be fair game to include and expand upon. And again, all of this is far worse than what has come before. Even Grixis feels like it has more detail, and it has more excuses than Amonkhet for why there wouldn't be people living in its wasteland. And that's a fifth of a much fuller plane that managed to have a Bolas plotline without sacrificing that level of setting detail. I'm not sure what part of this is failing to add up as a clear indication of WotC putting in less effort and making worse settings.
I wasn't paying attention, so what are the 3 planes from aetherdrift? Kaladesh, Amonkhet and what?
>>94256186And and we don't know yet.
>>94256186Seems like Muraganda, unless there's another plane with dinosaurs we haven't been to yet that I'm not thinking of.
>>94256177You know, is this just a roundabout way of observing that going from 3 sets per block to 2 sets per block stifled the breadth and depth of the world building? Because that would be a totally legit point. And we can clearly see that it got even worse when they dropped blocks entirely. Now every new plane has to wear everything on its sleeve because it's only got a minute in the spotlight before we're on to the next setting.
>>94256277>>94256277>>94256277
>>94256261I wouldn't chalk it up solely due to that, but it's certainly a factor. They have a lot less room to work with for 2 set blocks, and even less now that everything has to be a single set. Not to point to Alara again, but all five shards only had a portion of a single set to establish themselves, and they did still manage it. Not all of this can simply be blamed on not having enough room or time.
>>94254643>have nuclear power plants>still burn coal
>>94256346>but he was trying to make a push for League of Legends & Team Fight Tactics to be out new shared hobby instead of Magic.I'd kill him
>>94256186Muraganda or possibly Pyrulea (but probably not). Primeval jungle-looking place that has dinosaurs, so probably Muraganda. Sad it's not Vryn, but I dunno, maybe we'll go to Vryn for the big finale set they haven't told us anything about yet.
>>94254638Put SpongeBob at the end :^)
>>94253576>binary brain rotlog off
>>94254531It's because the monoculture is dead. People are so divided up by algorithms pushing them into niche hobbies and interests, that the only thing still uniting people culturally is the memory of when the world wasn't like this.
>>94255301It's better than Wurm in the Xenagod shell in that it can't be Wandering Emperored, but it also won't 1-shot if they've gained any life. Maybe you side into 1 as a more resistant target vs white decks postboard.
>>94257473it can't be Xenagod'd either unfortunately. Unless I don't remember how his ability reads, but I'm pretty sure it's a target.
>>94257514Ooh you're right I'm a retard, rip to that plan
>>94257517It's all good man. I'm going to continue finding a way to make this card playable in Pioneer, even if I have to fucking hardcast it.
>>94253644That doesn't look like a digimon card.
Butch of crybaby faggots that think this is somehow better than UB
Why does magic lore have to be 95% trash?Why do we only get 5 cards a set dedicated to showing the story of the set? they could make it 1/3-1/2 the set so people aren't forced to read online about what is happening in the story of the cards they play?Why is UB nothing but memberberries instead of including characters from the magic universe? Will be dumb to just randomly have Spiderman fighting Sephiroth with zero lore explanations for why its happening.
>>94259257This is what's happened when all nerd pop culture has become mashed together to sell everything to everyone.I unironically want to go back to how it was in the 2000s, when nerdshit was one of many subcultures, when people picked a fucking subculture and mostly stayed in it, rather than everything being sold to everyone.I'll take my fucking swirlies with it.
>>942559092008 or so, nobody was around knew how to play and I was too far from any game stores, so I just had these neat cards I couldn't do anything with.Then I found out these old cards weren't got for current games anyway, sometime before watching some kid buy a shitload of booster packs while the people around him hooted and cheered. To get one card. And that just pushed me away from Magic in general.
>>94253621If you want Marvel slop, just read a comic.If you want SpongeBob brainrot, just watch the show.If you want LotR, just read the book.If you want Jurassic Park, just watch the films.If everyone else is getting theirs, why can't Anon have his Riley Reid edition if Chandra?
>>94255057yeah but it was one and donejust a wasted setting that now does fuck all interesting
>>94259257>Why does magic lore have to be 95% trash?>Why is UB nothing but memberberries instead of including characters from the magic universe?Answered your own question retard
>>94259257>Why does magic lore have to be 95% trash?Because Magic is a GAME. Lore does not sell packs; game does. When the game part sucks, sales drop.At least, that's how it was at the start. WOTC has been trying to make Magic's lore marketable for literal decades. First, it was a search for its own identity via flavor text on the cards. Then, it was a structured story with Rath/Weatherlight cycle (which is where it turned out that long term plot gave some players fatigue, but they ignored that lesson). Then, they tried to do an overarching plot again, only to run into the setting problem - legendary creatures could drive plot on their own planes, but switching planes between blocks meant they had to restart plots every year. Their solution was to break the setting with Mending, so they could make planeswalker cards, so the plot would be driven by something WOTC could copyright. When Jacetice League fatigue hit, they chose to ignore the old lesson and break the setting again - so they could hang plot off ANY character they wanted to bring back, not just the planeswalkers.And none of that matters. Most players are exposed to plot only via cards. Most plot is on irrelevant cards. How many "story spotlights" have been must-includes? How many different "treatments" of cards actually preserve their plot/story relevance? Plot has no impact on gameplay.So it should come as no suprise that WOTC would jump on an opportunity of selling more cards because of plot. Why try to build their own, when the game doesn't need it? Just slap another IP on and you draw more sales than you would with a carefully crafted narrative (if card power levels are equal). From there it's only a tiny step to increase power levels for more sales.You are here.
