Edition of Astral Winds>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/august-26-2024-banned-and-restricted-announcement>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-scheduleMetagame Mentor: The Scariest Standard Strategies in Duskmourn:https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-scariest-standard-strategies-in-duskmourn>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>Previously:>>94271895>TQPost shitty cards you wish were playable because the art is cool.
"Now everyone knows what you are"
>The illustrious card depicts a monstrous, clawed machine’s interaction with a robed skeletal entity whose, bearing a warning in the caption: “He craves only one commodity.”>The card was introduced in 1999 but has since been banned in most competitive “Magic” tournaments due to its reputation as the ultimate trump card — which simply wasn’t as much fun.>At the time, it was probably the most powerful deck you could play,” one player from San Francisco told the outlet. “I infer from that that he’s ruthless and wants to win at all costs.”>Pitting wizard against wizard, the game is played in a series of spells, where Yawgmoth’s Bargain renders one player defenseless to the other’s onslaught of magic defenses.>“Essentially, you’re not playing an interactive game anymore. You’re just sort of playing Solitaire… while the other person sits there and waits for the game to end,” said lifelong Missour-based player Lucas Kunce, 42 — a Democratic politician running to unseat Republican senator Josh Hawley.>“If JD Vance was playing that at the kitchen table against his buddies, then people probably thought he was kind of a jerk,” Kunce continued, describing its “reputation for being a ‘broken’ card.”>“Magic” fans online are known for comparing their favorite decks, which are said to reveal key characteristics about a player’s personality, according to the Independent’s report.>On Reddit, a subgroup for “Magic” players concluded that any deck built around Yawgmoth’s Bargain would be associated with “greed, ambition, dominance, wickedness, the dead and undead, vampires, demons, blood magic.”>“The idea of it is a deal with the devil, right? You’re selling your soul for power… It’s power at any cost, and that seems to be what he’s into,” Kunce added.
How long does it take for the Standard Meta to settle?
>TQSuch a nice art just to get its ass bolted for 2BB
>>94278366>Using the best tools to win is badJD Vance is a uniparty sock puppet who embodies everything wrong with Trump's campaign, but this is a dumb take.
>>94278366I'm already voting Trump, you don't have to convince me.
>>94278350oh fugg :DD
>TQMy wife is just worse Kalitas.
>>94278366I see that we're operating on card game anime logic where your cards reflect your personality. I'm sure Kunce only played humble, hard working White weenie decks.
>>94278350>Lingering state change even after it leaveszzz
>>94278398A weekend after the latest prerelease on Arena. No-life neckbeard whales solve it nonstop 24/7 as soon as the cards are available to test. Which is why Standard becomes immediately solved and boring in a week after each new set.No more secret tech.No more trading.No more unique challenger decks.No innovation.Only quick solved slop.
>>94278398A couple weeks, usually less
holy shit
>>94278398It sometimes gets solved in spoiler season
>>94278513Memory Jar is missing
>>94278513desu if this is all there is, it's pretty imrpessive considering mtg is 30+ years oldyou guys never give wotc credit where credit is due
lol
>>94278504SEVEN MANASEVEN KEYWORDSSEVEN POWERSEVEN TOUGHNESSSEVEN LETTERS IN "ELDRAZI"SEVENTEEN LETTERS IN ITS NAMEFOURTEEN WORDS ON THE FLAVOR TEXTSEVEN DEATHSKINO>no set number sevenflavor fail
>>94278592being a lesbian for Nissa reduced her breasts
Are you excited?
>>94278604Anons were unironically saying this for the cards referencing 13 in the last thread.
>>94278592>Actually this is really a clever reference to the anime Akira>I'm going to have to hear this sentence every time this card gets playedI don't even know what it is and I hate it already
>>94278504Requesting a Blingee version.
>>94278628>aetherdriftno, hoping for decent vehicles though>tarkirafraid they'll fuck it up, hopeful they reprint shocks>FFwish it was not a full set>edgelooks ok so far, tezzeret is fine>spidermanno, just no>UUBDragonball???
does this mean we can have guns in mtg through ub products?
>>94278604>Seven heads>Seven arms
>>94278655sorry, no guns
>>94278628>AetherdriftYes, very, i love artifact sets, this one even has a PW artifact>TarkirHave hopes of a good set to enjoy>Final FantasyThe end of magic>Edge of EternitySorry Magic is already dead>Spider-manRaping a corpse? Crazy>UBB and futureThere is simply no future, Magic dies at 06.13.25
>>94278398>>94278492While I know you guys are comparing to the days where someone could show up with a "the solution" type deck and shift the entire meta overnight, worlds showed us that there are still some surprises. It was shown that a doomsday mill deck is there and it also showed that apparently everyone was sleeping on this card as it's price shot up 400%.
>>94278628>>94278628Hoping the unannounced UB is Gundam or alternately Dark Souls. Expecting the unannounced UB to be Star Wars.
>>94278504>7 themed card>6 keywords
>>94278655maybe
>>94278696grow a brain
>>94278724thanks i guess
>>94278696Ward is a keyword, anon.
>>94278724>>94278696>>94278670all me by the way
>>94278628>AetherdriftShitty fast and furious set>TarkirMaybe>FFManchild bait>Edge of EternitiesBlind Eternities set, right?>Spider manKek no>UUBSword and sorcery franchise or Hasbro Bankrupt
>>94278628all fucking garbage no joke
/DeadGameGeneral/
>>94278762Not really the same
>>94278808great comment thanks for even giving the reasoning behind your thoughts. oh wait you dont have any thoughts or reasoning cause you have no fucking brain.
>>94278628I've just been getting back into magic and I've been enjoying it. Duskmorn is a great set. Bloomwood or whatever is cringe gay furry shit so I'm glad it looks like the future is avoiding more furry shit. I will probably go to each paper event
>>94278840nigger kill yourself fat pig
>>94278871damn...
>>94278871You seem mad, you must be a teenager going through hormones. Best of luck with the voice cracks
I don't understand why people complain about it being hard to keep up with new magic products, literally like three cards per a set are even playable outside of limited, just wait a month and see what they are.
>>94278655only alchemychads get guns,
>>94278628Only one is Tarkir because I like dragons. Hoping they can reconcile with the khans and go back to wedges there.Optimism very low for the set overall though and most of the year doesn't interest me.Legitimately didn't even look at DSK and probably won't look at Aetherdrift either.
>>94278724I find it funny that most of the edits over the last few days have been adjusting the top row.The first 7 years of magic really did have a lot of nuanced development going on in it.
>>94278888ur a old man shut the fuck up and keep playing cards in your moms basement nigger
>>94278902Oh shit kyle get his ass
>>94278892I see it as more of fnm limited thing compared to box crackers, next year you are going to rotate through a set so quickly you might only get a prerelease and 5-7 drafts of a set before you rotate into the next set. Even if you are trading cards and winning every draft 3-0, there is just no way to even get a fraction of the set now without buying a box or two.
>>94278896retard actually has even a little bit of hope that return to dragon shitter set wont be a horrible nightmare abomination lolololol! get a load of this guy!
>>94278927do you like niggers?
>>9427890229 isn't old!!!
>>94278957yoooo 29 is old as fuck man sorry but lol!
>>94278927Understandable
>>94278927Just don't move onto the new set right away
>>94278981>"Hey guys, lets not draft Final Fantasy tonight, There are still some card from Tarkir I need."Yeah that will go over well
>>94279000>Playing with people who want to draft in trash
>>94278929I mean I'll look at the spoilers which is more than I can say for the rest of the year.
>>94279000If the only reason multiple new sets are bad is cause autist feel the need to pull every card, then fuck them. You only need to buy singles for the decks you wanna build and play drafts to get some new cards for ideas.
>>94279005you know what thats fair
>>94279000I don't think people will want to draft a more expensive set.
i dont get why anyone plays anything other than limited
>>94279018Did they say UB sets are going to be more expensive than "magic" sets?
>>94279018>>94279043Pretty sure them reintroducing the MSRP's is specifically so UB doesn't become more expensive.
>>94279043sorry i dont really have an answer to the question. try asking a different one maybe i will be able to give a good response!
>>94279050universe beyond: 2024 US election
>>94279054shut the fuck up nigga no one’s asking u
Gate reprints
>>94279066just rude. i dont know why people like you have to come onto these threads and just be profane and mean to everyone for no reason...
>>94279052What little we know shows that Foundations will cost less than Aetherdrift, but that's all we know. We can assume Aetherdrift's prices are the 'standard', though. That said, they do say specifically Magic IP sets will match Aetherdrift, so UB might be more expensive even so.
>>94279070Oh Maze seems fun, was it ever a viable deck before?
>>94279070As part of the starter collection Boros Charm will be standard legal.
>>94279070>5 years of mtggolfish's Sethron Olive, better known as Seth, trying to make Maze's End decks work, but this time with [random land tutor/recursion card from latest set]
>>94279083what the fuck, my lgs used to have 3 packs for $10
>>94279101SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE FUCKING CARES!!!!
Who's ready for it?
>>94279086It saw some fringe play in RTR through KTK block standard in control and fog decks.
>>94279104please dont make me remember saffron olive exists im begging you
>>94279101Do people not care that we're getting Viashino Pyromancer and Ghitu Lavatunner in standard for 5 years?
>>94279144no
>>94279070Are they gonna reprint Gates Ablaze and Ram?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFrBx_BOAqsWhen I heard this guy describe the whole UB debacle I kind of get it, it is the right choice FOR wotc, perhaps not for us, but for the most part the right choice
>>94278628>RetherdriftDon't really care but it'll probably have some nice singles I'll buy online.>Tarkir: DragonstormI's a bit surprising too see Ugin back, but marketing probably wanted him back and he's the only way to bring back the Clans without devoting a three set block too it. The only reason why his shitty kids could subjugate the plane was that Sarkhan put him in stasis instead of helping him kill Bolas due to Yasova's intervention.Honestly Sarkhan gets a lot of shit but it was Yasova's fault Ugin was put into the positon where he was both alive and creating Dragonstorms, but also unable to act.>FFNo, I don't really care for FF or crossovers.>EoECould be interesting but I'm reserving my hopes.>spidermanKek no>UUBAlso no.
>>94279144White's reprints in the starter collection are terrible.
>>94279130I ABSOLUTELY refuse to buy or even play against a single Spiderman or FF card, Nosewater can take that shit and shove it up his hairy asshole.
>6 standard sets + whatever supplemental sets they shit out per yeari'm so fucking tired bros...
>>94279176
>>94279183then go to sleep fat fuck
Commander reprint in to standard.
>>94279176I hope these "collections" are $5.
>>94279222too hopeful
>>94278592Why are they pretending that female breasts don't existLike there certainly must be a spectrum between cowtits for coomers to coom to and giving your drawn women mastectomies
>>94279218Too much mana, unplayable
>>94279235The compromise is giving cowtits to the men. Especially the dragons.
>>94279222They are part of a 300 hundred card collection that is selling on Amazon for 60 dollars.
>>94279194>Feed the swarm in Standard foreverAwww yeah.
>>94279250https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/foundations-starter-collection-contentsThe card listed are here.
>>94279250>"additionally, you get a command tower, sol ring, and arcane signet."fuck, just rename mtg to commander the gathering
>>94279222$5 each, a box will have 10 of them, but every box will have a single topper from a selection of 50 potential special guests. Each color will have a single card on their special guest list that is extremely good and standard legal, but unobtainable by any other means.
>>94279250>90 basics
>>94279104Nah, he'll do it once for a budget deck video. Annoying as Saffron is, he doesn't get stuck on a deck like Aids' crippling addiction to Modern Zoo.
>>94279250>with a bunch of 1-ofsWhen I started playing back then I really hated how most precons came with very few copies of most cards. I get that they want people to buy more copies but fuck it's just a worse overall experience that also can't be readily taken to "normal" play like Commander precons can.
>>94279083>$25 for a booster packWhat the le fuck!?
>>94279250>sol ring, arcane signet, command towerFUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>>94279297shits crazy right?
>>9427927820 of each type and 10 full arts for flair.That's pretty reasonable and good for starting out means you can build any color.
Blood on the art.
>>94279083>MSRP for boosters is 5.50 now
>>9427927890÷5=18, and 18×2=36, the perfect number of lands for an EDH deck. This is why a bunch of these legendary creatures have a two color identity. I bet there are 30 cards of each color and an assortment of artifacts that can fill in the remaining 3 cards to equal 100.
>>94279218>>94279313I thought you guys said there were no cute girls anymore.
>>94278724Can you clarify the difference between "Wraps themes around MTG flavor" and "Move to digital and internal reassessment of MTG" for me? I consider the [general] art style in Ravnica to be more or less indistinguishable from Zendikar/Alara.I think it's also important to point out the 'gimmicks' in set design even if they are not strictly art-related since things like Legions, Torment/Judgement, and Alara Reborn were still hugely explorative and overstepped the boundaries of how the game should be designed which is why they are viewed as failures.This is an interesting post and I disagree with large chunks of it but conceptually it is very important point and I also agree with large chunks of it.I feel that Amonkhet block belongs alongside Kaladesh. Whether you want to put them both into 'outside pop culture' or both into 'last usage of MTG as its own IP' is up to interpretation though.
>>94279358They don't have sexiness as the default now, is the idea. Vampires tend to be sexed-up, as do some Capenna ladies.
> ToR prices dropped $30 in the last 10 days on MTGOLooks like someone got word that it's getting banned in modern.
>>94278407That's some wicked art
Look dad, look. Negro elves!
>>94279378>nowHalf the cards they printed back then would be called woke if they came out today. You didn't seriously believe the coomer shitposts, did you?
>>94279402Moreso that there's less "sexy for literally no reason" cards now. Vampires are sexy because they're often seductive, that's part of their whole 'thing'.
>>94279399Condemn should be Standard legal
>>94279384It's in the Nadu land of "everyone knows its going to banned" so why invest in it.
standard izzet wizards is back, baby
>>94279378>>94279402>MAGIC'S ATTITUDE>Magic is a head-to-head battle of wits in which two spellcasting warriors fight to the death with magic and armies of bad-ass creatures. Every card illustration should work in that context: active, aggressive, cool, wicked, “edgy.” The word “magepunk” works for us. Remember, your audience is BOYS 14 and upStyle Guide 2005https://github.com/maxmakesmagic/ormos/blob/main/archive/en/articles/archive/2005/09/magic-style-guide-part-1-2005-09-07.md
>>94279399Is bushwhacker the better version of reckless?
>>94279399The Ravnica frame is where it feels like they gave up and said "just put some towers on it"
>>94278628>aether drift Finally, we can say that magic is also a card game on motorcycles>TarkirWizards is allergic to fetch lands and loves trannies, will expect like 3 aleshas and 0 fetches. Pass>Final FantasyBest set of the year. Unannounced UB could be “bars of gold in packs: the set” and FF will still be a better one>edge of eternitiesLiterally what? I’ve seen nothing from this one but I like the name>spooderman Spider man is my favorite marvel character, so it’ll be palatable>UUBas long as it isn’t faggoty cringe I’ll be chillOverall a good year, imo. Standard-legality means none of these should power creep anything too hard
>>94279399>Grim Tutor flavour text tells you life loss doesn't matter unless it's the last oneCute.
>>94279457>Remember, your audience is BOYS 14 and upRemember when that was a demographic that media cared about?
>>94279416>they don't have sexiness as the default now>there's less "sexy for literally no reason" cards nowMake up your mind, anon. Was it the default or did they just throw it in there willy nilly? If Garga Zol came out today, would you be crying about how the art direction nowadays is shit and women all have mannish faces? We just had anons in the last thread cry about Alesha but couldn't decide if the art looked more like a man or a woman and which one would make them angrier.
>>94279273>replacing a rotating format of three sets in a block that always stays fresh and forces players to open new products with an eternal casual format where you can buy one deck for $30 and play forever because everything's made up and the rules don't matter WOTC is trying to win the dumbest g*y awards
>>94279507"Default" meaning "it's often designed that way from the start without regard for it", my bad.
>>94279491>Literally what? I’ve seen nothing from this one but I like the nameStar Wars with Tezzeret.
>>94279303Take your meds
>>94279399>bushwhacker a fucking common card at mythicThe arena milking continues
>>94279502They still do, idiot. They just don't assign such extreme gender roles anymore.
>>94279520I was a bit disappointed he wasn't gonna be in Aetherdrift, but him being in Edge works for me. Though where the fuck are his dreadlocks. And why is he so white now. And how did he steal Jin-Gitaxias' pants?
>>94279502Yeah, I can remember this morning pretty well.
>>94279520>it’s not literally Star WarsOh good, I was worried it would be
>>94279507would still tittyfuck Garza in a heartbeat after all those years
>>94279399>six gorillion different special edition frames>not a single retro frame>>94279502There's no point anymore. Teenagers mostly can't afford to play Magic and even if they can they'd rather spend that money on Valorant skins or whatever.
>>94279359>Wraps themes around MTG flavorMeans that the genres, themes, and sources of inspiration being taken from are being used to explore Magic the Gathering as a setting, but retain things like what a blue mage looks like and how they act stays similar enough to where you can recognize it as Magic.Ravnica is prime examples of this, especially when used in contrast to New Capenna. Ravinca is a Renaissance Prague plane that uses that inspiration to explore the two color identities of Magic the Gathering, while New Capenna is an attempt to use Magic the Gathering to explore Prohibition era New York City. Kaladesh and Neon Dynasty are another example, like Esper both of them are cyberpunk dystopia planes but one of them tries to turn an already existing Magic plane into a Cyberpunk Dystopia, while the other one tries to use India and the idea of a Cyderpunk Dystopia to explore Magic the Gathering. Although funnily enough, Capenna also turns into another Cyberpunk Dystopia with the things everybody is fighting over being a power source and not a luxury like alcohol was in the Prohibition. Amonkhet got lumped into the disfavorable category like Innistrad and Theros due to using Magic as a vehicle for Egyptian mythology, although personally I like all three of them to varying extant and to me those three planes are the 'outward' boundary of flavor, I'll replace it with a Neon Dynasty card later.>"Move to digital and internal reassessment of MTG"I actually can't remember why the guy who made the original image put that there, but to me they also fall into the weirdo Krosan Alien elves where they pushing at the boundaries of what Magic the Gathering is.
>>94279542I'm not sure what to think of the set's aesthetic so far but it's leaning more into the "weirder" side of sci-fi at least so far. Not necessarily alien stuff, just weird-looking tech.
>>94279534>Though where the fuck are his dreadlocks. And why is he so white now. And how did he steal Jin-Gitaxias' pants?He unlocked his super form by turning his body into Darksteel and has now gone beyond.
>>94279567wow look at all this cool art that nobody gives a fuck about because red can kill you t2 on the play in STANDARD
>>94279567>>94279542We do have space whale though. Space whales are JUST shy of overdone to me, so I'm still fine with this, but I think we're hitting dangerously close to there being too many fucking space whales in fiction.
>>94278504>for the low low price of seven mana, you get to do absolutely nothingWon't even be standard playable
>>94278893that's clearly a crossbow anon so still not a gun
>>94278628Wtf is UUB?
>>94279602upcoming universes beyond
>>94279520looks more like WOTC attempting to copy the endless space aesthetic rather than Star Wars
>>94276915But fate reforged happened like 1000 years ago in the story, he should be dead.>>94276903>>94278350Is this supposed to be a selling point for this product?>>94277161>>94277173>>94278504>>94279144>>94279194>>94279218>>94279313>Trust us this is a standard set!
>>94279602Unannounced Universes Beyond, not an actual set code, we just don't know what it is. Feels weird that they just didn't tell us that one. All we know is it's a separate IP from any other UB.
>>94279567I like the chik>>94277456I m so glad with the ironic reddit humor of mtg!>>942793992 inked elves lmao>>94278592Why chandra lost her boobies?Is she trying to become a man now?>>94278628no.>>94279402>HannaAnon, don't talk shit about the weatherlight saga if you haven't read it...Also, she looks pretty in this art too, you can clearly see it is a woman.
>>94278628I really hope every UB sets fails as hard as Ass Creed set
Enchantments just have the Theros Nyx border now?
>>94279661Yeah, from Foundations-onward. Artifacts had their own border, I guess they thought it was odd Enchantments didn't.
>>94278628How did you get your hands on the next crossovers for Fortnite?
>fblthp kills bolasbetter story than war
>>94279673Stop being so mean to him WotC...
>>94279576Fuck you I love space whalesMy favorite pokemon is also Wailord
>>94276903>New Kellan>No AmaliaWizards of the Coast is run by hacks and frauds.
>>94279530Well that's the whole problem, isn't it? Everything has to be for everyone and it ends up being for no one.
>>94279689They're cool, I just feel like they're sort of becoming a 'default' for fantastical sci-fi settings nowadays.
>>94279696Amalia wasn't really planned to be a recurring character or anything, her joining up with Kellan in the LCI story was a last-minute choice by the author. We may well see another Amalia in the future, but not within the year at least.
>>94278592finally a new cool male character
>>94278592>Synthwave setthey have no shame left. Can't wait for Magic The Gathering: Slowed and Reverb
>>94279718It has been a year since the Ixalan so she might be in.
>>94279560>>94279359OG guy here, still working on my follow up to the Lorwyn stuff.What I meant by that is starting with Alara their was a reassessment of how MTG should function most embodied by the NWO card design. This was alongside a shift to digital art becoming more and more prominent (See Jund Charm for a example that is both obvious and shitty). In all it led to what I view as readjustment of MTG as its own internal thing in a way which shifts certain aspects of design but is still in continuity with what came before.Pic Rel
>>94278628kek they kicked off lorwyn for soiderman
>>94279576whales belong in space you retard
>>94278628why this company always have to take the most stupid decisions?
>>94279747The original set hired art college students because it was cheaper than buying the licenses of stock art.
>>94279751I wonder if they moved Lorwyn for next year because Aetherdrift or Tarkir would introduce something controversial like Aftermath and they wanted extra development time so we would get someting like the assassin's creed packs or another Nadu situation.My leading theory is it has something to do with Day/Night.
>>94279738Eh, they take about 2-ish years. Maybe 1 and a half for putting specific cards into the sets.
>>94279769If your talking about Alpha then that makes sense but also as you can see what was established in Alpha was moved away from over time and into its own thing, which then got shifted again for the sake of making it work with the digital artists they had at the time.The biggest issues with my pic are that in the 5 minutes I spent on it, I cut multiple examples which show the more gradual shit to focus on the bottom 6 and then I felt the top row in because it showed how magic was already iterating on itself when that's an entirely diffrent topic.
>>94279578You get to dome yourself for 7 for daring to kill it with anything that's not a wrath so it might as well have haste.
>>94279673Too bad Second Chance is on the reserved list, it would have been a perfect fit. >>94279696Did they actually hook up or was that fanon?
>>94278592I hate it.
>>94279796>Tarkir being the grounds for another one of Mark's dogshit experiments that tanks the whole settingI can't cope with another Ikoria please.
>>94278628For the game to burn? Absolutely, it's free entertainment because WotC has shown over the last decade that they don't want my money.
>>94279834>Did they actually hook up or was that fanon?Unspecified but close relationship, seems to be the case. Think the writer intended a sort of romantic connection but nothing was clarified. Shared a tender hug at the end of OTJ's story, that's about it.
>>94279621>complains about chandra losing boobs, making her a man>says hanna is clearly a woman, despite having no visible boobs whatsoeverYou write a lot of words when you could've just said old thing good, new thing bad.
>>94278628UUBCHADS WHERE WE AT
>>94279834
>>94278628wait is the Final Fantasy set standard?
>>94279747I've read this post 5 times and I think I still don't get it. If you're referring to the period of time where they tried to codify a house style a lot of people bitched about all cards looking the same. This led to Seb McKinnon becoming a fan favorite because his art was so different than everything else. If anything we're at a point where we have more variance in artstyle than before even if you don't count showcase printings. Honestly, the only consistent element in your image is "yellow/white color motif for white cards."
>>94279888All UB set will be standard now
>>94279897holy shit
>>94279888We are living in the nightmare world now anon.Enjoy the ride because it has no end.
What's the lore reason for anyone wanting to live in Ravnica? The place seems like a shithole to actually live in.
>>94279930The Rakdos party are to die for.
>>94279930Most people didn't have the choice anon
>>94279930Where else are they gonna live, anon?
I have a box of Mystery Booster 2 and I'm debating whether to sell it or draft it. I don't have 7 friends who play MTG. Would you participate in a rando's free draft if you didn't get to keep the cards at the end?
>>94280010Nope
>>94279930>ravnicans move in mass to another plane>five years later the area is covered in buildings
>>94279930>What's the lore reason normalfags can't planeswalk?The city took up the entire plane. Omenpaths are a very new occurrence.
ward is gay
>>94279930It's a shithole, but so are most planes. What other plane is good enough to get people to pack up and move into an entirely different world? Only ones I can think of that aren't just as bad or worse would be Arcavios, which we know little about, but Strixhaven seemed decent enough.
>>94280098You're gay!
>>94279895A common term I keep coming back to is the idea of "A Blue Mage Looking Like a Blue Mage"This is the ethos for the entire "Wraps Themes Around MTG Flavor" section of >>94278724Wizards started using Digital Art in 9th edition and its use increased exponentially from there. I also mentioned the New World Order method of set design which was put into place with Alara as a separate example of how wizards was reassessing and trying out new things for the game. (This is also when the first Planeswalker's Guide was made).As for an in house style Magic had had one for years at that point, but the shift to the majority of art being digital meant adjustments had to be made to work with the strengths of the talent at the time. However unlike later sets which abandoned trying to make Magic sets about MTG these sets still kept core ethos of Magic that came before designwise.As for the Pic ignore the top row, that was me trying to go big and then narrowing down my view while still trying to make a separate point.As for the bottom 6 the use of White and Yellow is a accurate but surface level point to take note of.Each of the bottom cards follows a design and mechanical connection with Glory Seeker being the exact same card.Look at the backgrounds and how they changed, flowing cloth gives way to pure metal, dynamic movement is replaced by still shots, flatter armor is replaced with more lines and greeble like details.And yet they still look like white Soldiers. The tanned skin and metal aspects of both Auriok remains with a secondary empathizes on their titular piece of gear, Phalanx and Ranger both still symbolize their "small groups of creatures matter theming" and Glory Seeker still has the same color scheme on each's shield sword jutting out and pointing behind the head. And two of these are just really direct translations while one has mechanical resonance.Either way my browser is experiencing memory leaks, so I gotta go fix those.
>>94279930We think it's a shithole because we only see the negatives of each guild, when they actually all have positives and negatives:Azorius are the police for non-violent / white-collar crime, and the lawmakers; though they do make laws and policies extremely tough to navigate and understand for anyone else.Orzhov are the bankers and money handlers, as well as the main church; but they will often slip in clauses into lending contracts to make sure you repay them, even after death.Dimir overtly are the news, couriers, mail, etc; but covertly are spies, assassins, mind-wipers, and smugglers.Izzet make new inventions and create and maintain all the infrastructure such as buildings and streets and water pipes; but they do all that and their experiments wildly and with little care for safety or procedure.Rakdos are the party hosters, caterers, live entertainment, playwrights, etc; but they do it all on the edge of danger, with the risk of injury and gore ever present.Golgari are the waste and body disposal and recycling; but they're very racist against anyone that is alive and/or isn't Golgari.Gruul are meant to establish wilderness areas and parks and maintain and protect them; but they always end up raging against civilization and destroying parts of the city.Boros are the military police, there for violent situations and crimes, as well as quelling riots and out-of-control parties; but they do it with fanatical zeal and will lock down entire areas even if there's innocents within.Selesnya are community support and activities, as well as the other main religion beside Orzhov; but they are almost like Phyrexia how they will try to convert everyone to be Selesnya, regardless of others' feelings.Simic grow the food and give medical treatment and supplies, but experiment on themselves and other sentients with no bounds or morals, even without consent.
Is there any specific reason there's no custom card thread up?
I keep seeing all this hatred for UB and I thought the community just decided to shit on Dimir players for no reason
>>94280249Why do we need custom cards, the game already ahs spider-man in it.
>>94278628If I single a single non Asian (planeswalkers don't count) in the Tarkir set I'm gonna freak
>>94280249It died off months ago, and it was barely being kept alive before that.Anyone is welcome to try and revive it at any time.
>every reply or quote tweet is an edhoid getting excited about the new product
>>94280249Overflow of content with designs so unfathomably retarded it's genuinely not even fun anymore.
>>94280249Enthusiasm for the game as a whole is just that low.
>>94280298*OFFICIAL content i.e. WotC is now dumber than /ccg/
>>94280303i just made thsi as a joke Adumbrated Agony 2BBTarget opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.Reverie — You may reveal this card at the beginning of your end step. If you do, when you cast it, copy that spell for each time you revealed it to this ability. If the spell has any targets, you may choose new targets for any of the copies.
>>94280279I'm ready.
>>94279832kids these days dont even know what an edict is
>>94280342You'll get Rocco, Street Chef reskinned as Spongebob, Chatterfang as Sandy and I dunno for the others.
i feel like gambling, whats better to the get, the starter collection or the jumpstart pack?
THEY SAID THE THING
>>94280398Collector's Box
>>94280398Starter Collection is just a full box of cards, there's no gambling.
>>94280433I will never understand why the flavor text doesn't say "The dread is manifest" or some such. They half assed the joke, which is much worse than if they had committed to the bit.
Coat of Arms 2.
>>94279130>J.J always yelling "Hes a menace!">Card doesnt give him Menace.You had one job.
>>94280327I could legitimately see WotC printing this and just expecting you to fucking remember it.
>>94280513storm but backwards has potential, the tracking is just annoying in paper. i don't know how you would keep track of how many times you charged it
>>94280509JJ will give all Spidermen menace.
>>94280497because she's ellen ripley from alien/aliens/alien3 and alien resurrection
Crazy cat tranny
>>94279235>Why are they pretending that female breasts don't existThe idea is that if you change how women appear in art and media, you will change what people believe belongs in the category of "woman".The whole point is to propagandize the normie population into believing tranimals are indistinguishable from women.It will probably work too, because most modern people live more in media than they do in meatspace.
>>94280588This is literally exactly what they're doing. They even admit it, they just don't use those specific words. Instead they douse everything in DEI/ESG academic nu-speak.
>>94280554That's even worse than I thought it was
>>94280249We are getting Mary Kane Watson and Chocobos next year, what's the point of funny or weird fan designs when we are already living in the most Meme World we can?
wotc should be legally required to give English cards alongside foreign cards to foreigners who receive spoilers. I'm tired of these illegible spoiler images mucking up my scryfall search
>>94279176Angel of Vitality is neat for the lifegain thing they had with that new leyline in duskmournCharming guy is okBut yeah white as usual gets shafted. Where are you getting these images from, anyway?
>>94280505I'm trying to figure out why they made this instead of just reprinting Coat of Arms. I guess Coat of Arms was a pretty weird card and this is more straightforward. And theoretically this is better if you know you're gonna get wiped. But Coat of Arms actually grows and this is static.In any case, it's just as unplayable.
>>94280641You can look at the cards here:https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/foundations-starter-collection-contents
>>94280585Why isn't this a hatian?
>>94280641Felidar Retreat shouldn't be underestimated. That's gonna be nuts in the tokenspam decks that have been getting pushed lately.
>>94279507>captains log 2030>non binaries rule the earth>garza zol has been canceled for being designed for the male gaze>reprinted with same art but new pronouns>magix xims celebrate by buying out all ub rupaul commander decks
>>94280611>Mary Kane Watson
>Universes Beyond: Phase ConnectFucking when???
>>94280140Kaladesh seems comfy
Here's your leaked Secret Lair in the coming months
>>94278328>>94278350What set is this? That's not Aetherdrift nor Foundation.
>>94278504Eldrazi are being added to Standard?
>>94279623I think this is better than it looks for constructed formats (Urabrask's Forge, anyone) but it still isn't great.
>>94280875Jumpstart foundations
>>94279834Its cannon, and actually helped to redeem Kellan's character (at least as far as /tg/ is concerned).
>>94280611>Chocobo as Magic cardCringe or Based? I can't decide
>>94280926Based af
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>>94280694>ub rupaul commander decksYou joke, but this might actually happen.
>>94278628>aetherdriftlooking foward to an artifacts heavy set, specially vehicles, greasefang is bound to found new toys>tarkirI've never been too invested into tarkir but I liked abzan's whole +1/+1 counters theme, hope we can get more of that>final fantasyplayed dissidia and FF12 when I was younger, I have a general idea about most characters pre-FF13, I look foward to drafting the set but I doubt standard's balance is gonna survive its impact, curious to see how hard it's gonna warp pioneer>edge of eternitiespretty indifferent about space as a setting, I hope they can do something interesting with aliens other than it just being another creature type to build aggro decks around>spider-manI believe I played the PS1 games when I was a kid and must've watched the tobey maguire movies once or twice, can't really think of anything exciting to look foward to here>UUBI hope it's another video game IP, I feel like they're easier to integrate than movies or TV shows
>getting banned for suggesting players not buy products they dislike
>>94280996Jannies are here to keep you on Hasbro's reservation. Never forget that.
>>94280946Take your meds, penniless wretch
>>94281001Bullshit. I can prove that wrong with one sentence
>>94280866I fucking wish
>>94281013And that sentence is?
>>94280519first time you cast it you get an emblem, then put counters on yhe emblem to keep track of copies
>>94281060yeah that seems decent, or something with charge counters
>>94281021DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS STICKS AND NO ONE SHOULD EVER PLAY IT. now if you're right, my comment will get deleted and I'll pull a ban
>>94281077>STICKS
>>94280904I don't think this works with forge, does it?
>>94281085DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS*
>>94281077>DUNGEONS AND DRAGON'S DICKSWhat would possess you to say this?
>>94281077>sticksI see you are censoring yourself
>>94280866Would a set based off of Silent Hill be a better plane than what Duskmourn is?
>>94280963Explain the point of vehicle artifacts. What's the point of tapping your monsters for a weaker artifact to attack that can easily get blocked and destroyed.
>>94281100Freudian slip by Gay Bolas
>>94281101Accident, I assure you. I posted in haste
>>94281120Some cards have effects while tapped and can survived wraths.
>>94281139>and can survived wrathsWat
>>94281090Works fine, just stack the triggers in the right order assuming your token didn't die or get sacrificed otherwise during your turn.
>>94281142There is value in having threats that are "immune" to sorcery speed removal.
>>94281139You can cast a wrath on your turn to destroy all creatures and then cast a creature to crew your vehicle and dodges most of your opponents wraths since they're sorcery speed.
>>94281090the sacrifice activates death triggers, forge combos infinitely with breath of fury if you have another creature besides the forge token to start the chain
>>94278628Looking forward to ayy lmaos
QRD?
>>94281218finna attack with aragorn >but I have sixteen vampire nighthaw—FINNA
>>94281107Well, they did get the Silent Hill artist guy to do a Special Guest for the set at least.
>>94281218Literally only removes the "order" step where you had to deal lethal damage to the first blocker before the second, etc. Now you just assign as you like and you and your opponent can use effects normally.
>>94281228Oh, okI was afraid it'd be some YGO shit, that makes more senseI never really understood how that worked anywaysDoes this significantly alter how deathtouch and trample works?
>>94279250can I buy two boxes and play 1 vs 1 with strictly decks made from these cards?
>>94281218Basically when a creature is multi-blocked, the attacker decides the order of blockers when damage is dealt. There used to be a window between deciding the order of blockers and damage being dealt and now there isn't.It's a somewhat minor change in most circumstances, but it's technically buff for attackers since it makes using pump spells defensively slightly worse.
>>94281240No.It removes some bluffing with combat tricks, but otherwise works the same in almost all scenarios and is much, much simpler.
this combat change is bullshit because now you cant use healing salve in the damage prevention step like garfield intendedok maybeits not like i actually know the rules i mean come on
>>94281218If you block a 5/5 with a 2/2 and 3/3 you used to be able to cast a spell after your opponent chose the order so if your opponent chose to destroy the 2/2 you could giant growth it and have both die. Now with the rule changes your opponent can choose to kill the 3/3 after you giant growthed the 2/2.
>>94281218>you'll assign damage to individual blockers directlyfine, okay...>without a priority window for casting spells or activating abilitiesfor what purposewhy the fuckthat's retardedyou stupid fucking motherfuckers
>>94281240>>94281257There are situations where your creature might have died and not done its deathtouch, where now it will since the attacker is deciding who takes damage regardless. So you can ping all enemies for 1 dmg with your attack if you have deathtouch to kill them all, who are blocking. This also matters a lot for instant and sorcery direct dmg spells as you will be able to evenly distribute dmg for optimal setup and removal.
>>94281318Correct, however this change is good because it actually swings attacking (a bit) more in the attacker's favor. It has been comedically difficult to attack in recent years due to how fucking buff creatures are now.
>>94281318That's not how it works, learn how to fucking read
You ARE working on your custom sets, right anons?
Card for this feeling?
>>94281318in what situation previously could you have not done deathtouch if you had enough power for each blocker? assigning 1 damage counts (counted) as lethal because a deathtoucher... well, has deathtouch
>>94281346I am CONSTANTLY cooking garbage
>>94281368
>>94281385Based. Garbage cooks well, good sir.
>>94281147You don't sac a creature to untap it, you untap it IF a creature died. I think once you get to the end step, the Forge sac trigger goes on the stack and it's then too late to meet the condition for the dog's trigger.>>94281168The dog isn't a death trigger, its an end step conditional trigger. Breath of Fury is neat, it's too bad it's not legal anywhere I'm interested in.
>>94280585xim/xer is eating our pets!?
>>94281403It's the opposite>eat food>get another catIt's quite possible the most on-flavor card I've ever seen
The inspiration for the Lorwyn racesFlamekin are based on the elemental creature of fire called salamander different from the animal. The beta name of the flamekin was Salamand.Elves are based on the Anglo-Saxon version of the creatures. Their use of arrows is based on how sudden shooting pains were thought to be shot by elves. Their supremacist nature is based on how the Seelie fairies had to be called by positive names such as "good neighbors" lest yo invoke their anger.Faeries are based on Celtic folklore of trickster fairies that annoy humans animals. Their association with sleeping and dreams is based on tricks the fairies did at night. Fairylocks refer to the tangled hair fairies did to a sleeping person and fairy riding refers to livestock paralysis that livestock got from being ridden by fairies at night.Giants are based on both fairytales Celtic beliefs. The giants were thought to be the original inhabitants of Britain before the civilize humans kill them all.Boggarts are based on the English apparition that became a generic name for an type of monster. It is said it puts its hands on a sleeping person's face and strips their bedsheets.Kithkin are based J. R. R. Tolkien's hobbits. Tolkien created the Hobbits as an English counterpart of other cultures' precursor to the first inhabitants. Their riding of goats is based on fairy riding.Merrows are based on the Irish Murúch with merrow being the english spelling. Merrows were Irish mermaids and could be compelled to marry humans if you stole their little magic cap that allows them to return to sea.Changelings are based on European fairies also known as aufs or oafs. The fairies would kidnap babies or sometimes adults and replaced them with a changeling. They were sometimes elders that live out their retirement being coddled by humans.
>>94281442Treefolks are based on Celtic tree lore. Trees were thought to be sacred inhabited by nature spirits. On Isle of Man fairy tree means the elder tree.Oaks were considered especially sacred. The Ash was sacred for the Irish that they refused to cut them lest their houses be burned down by the trees. The Rowan was prominent for the Scottish which they believed ward of evil. Hazels was associated with wisdom and considered a fairy tree by the Welsh and Irish. The Alder was associated with Bran a giant King of Britain in welsh mythology and in Ireland it was punishable to fell an alder tree. The yew tree was associated with death and planted in graves.
>>94281107Someone answer me
>>94281453The Shadowmoor races inspiration.Duergars are based on the Simonside Dwarfs of Simonside Hill in Northumberland also called brownmen and bogles. They lead night travelers into bogs with their lights and disappear at dawn.Ghosts are based on medieval European ghost seeking atonement by seeking for the living to pray to end their suffering.Hobgoblins are based on English household spirits. They clean the house at night and require food as recompensation.Redcaps are based on Anglo-Scottish boarder goblins. They live in castles in the boarder where evil acts were committed and kill people to dye their caps with blood.Spriggan are based on Cornish fairies. They are small and look like old men with huge heads. They're are thought ghost of the giants or can grow in size.Gwyllion are based on Welsh hags thought to be female fairies. They live on mountains and lead travelers astray.Selkies are based on Celtic beings that can change from human and seal. If their seal skin is stolen they can't return to sea until they find it. They are unhappy on land and wish to return to sea.Noggles are based on the Shetland Nuggles and were chosen for Shadowmoor because one of the employee's name was similar. They are water horses that play pranks on people. Its tail looked like a wheel. Only Finns were able to ride them.Ouphes is a corruption of oaf an alternative name for the changelings.Trows are based on Orkney and Shetland fairies. They are described as giant or small depending on the tale. They love music and kidnap musicians. Their name is taboo.
>>94281442>>94281453Thank you for the history lesson! Fascinating stuff
>>94281467Shadowmoor creatures inspiration.Barghest are based on Northen English folklore. It could refer to a black ghost dog or a house elf.Bogles are based on the Northumbrian word for a wide variety of creatures such as barghest.Kelpies are based on the Scottish and Irish shapeshifting spirits. They would take the form of a women to lure men to their doom.Dieflyns are based on the Irish as its name is a corruption of Difelin the old English name of Dublin. The Irish are a coarsed-grained, revengeful and unintellectual race. They are associated with alcohol and violence. An Irish kiss refers to a punch and Irish hospitality is gout.Korrigans are based on Breton fairies. They are either dwarfs or water-sprites the lure and kill men.The Scarecrows are based on Tatty Bogle. He is often depicted as a scarecrow in English and Scottish areas.Pucas are based on Celtic fairies called púca. They can change into animals and humans.
>>94281467Ty
>>94281345Thats literally how it works. Attacker distributes dmg among all blockers however they want. You dumb?
>>94281475Now do the Knuckalevee
>>94281475Don't forget this chucklefuck.
>>94281475Good list. There's also the bean sidhe, better known as banshee, who were female spirits that wailed to signal imminent death.
>>94280643>I'm trying to figure out why they made this instead of just reprinting Coat of Arms.More cards that do the same thing is good for commander because decks have more consistency... >>94281077Just play older editions>>94281218congratulations on making mtg worse!>>94281442Lorwyn/Shadowmoor = based
>>94281489The more Scandinavian creaturesThe Nucklavee is based on the Orkney Nuckelavee. They are a skinned giant whose lower have is a one-eyed horse. It is weak to fresh water and its breathe wilt crops and sicken livestock. It is for droughts and epidemics .The trolls are based on the Nordic creatures. They are to stone by sunlight. Many famous landmarks are former trolls.
But have you considered that Amonkhet featured mummies, and is thus le bad? Not like our beautiful Lorwyn, which was uniquely MTG in flavor and style.
>>94281545I play my edition, which is a nightmarish amalgam of 1st-5th. Don't ask me how it works but it's got my players hooked
>play combo deck>get matched against streamer playing mhslop>he's too busy rambling to the one person talking in his chat and repeatedly makes mistakes>yeah im not sure what i couldve done there they just had it all
>>94281602>>play combo deck
>>94281368Eureka
>>94281442>>94281453>>94281467>>94281475>>94281565>>94281577Hey Nice writeup its really cool to learn about all these varied backgrounds and myths. I'm still working on my response as my preferred browser started crashing via memory leaks today and I spent a good chunk of the day fixing those while making some posts /here/ in the meantime.I also have another 300 words on a paper I'm writing about Durkheim to finish out tonight but I hope to have something later tonight (the stuff one is passionate about always goes quicker)While you are here do you have any tales about any of these creatures interactions with each other, my research has put the conflicts between the various creatures of Lorwyn as a paramount part of the setting. Also while I understand your frustration at my dismissal of Amonkhet I will state that I am finding a newfound appreciation even if I still do think they fall under different spheres of reference, again Magic using that outside of it as a tool to display itself vs Magic being used as a tool to display outside tropes.If I fuck up, I fuck up but I hope we can have a good talk about it later.
>>94281602Bro I'd KILL for MonHun Slop in this game.
>>94281681I now realize that my bringing up of the Durkheim paper might seem like a subtle dick measuring moment, its honestly not, I started the whole topic and the OG Infographic out of a combo of frustration at Wizards and to procrastinate over finishing this paper with a much more personally engaging subject of which I am now paying for by being behind on two writing projects.Sorry I took so long to reply I'm not trying to attention whore, my browser crashed again and the wait time resets every time.
Wasnt there a pioneer like format that came out around 2016? What was it called?
>>94281878frontier?
>>94281893Thats the one thanks
FOUNDATIONS IS EDH POOP!
>>94281933everything is edh poop, you best learn to live with it
>Exsanguinate in FoundationsMy wish came true!
>tw: ArenaTweaked my Explorer list a bit. This deck is very fun :D
>>94281399breath lets you sac the creature when it deals damage, so you move the aura to the forge token, new combat phase, new token, repeat, no need to wait for end stepits janky kitchen table stuff but otk'ing 3 players at once on turn 4 is worth doing once in your life
>>94278504Ah yes, green sure as fuck needed this as their turn 4 drop.
>>94282111No I get that, I just don't see where the dog fits in.Aside from just being a body that the aura can attach to I guess.
>>94279167I don't think it is.Look at /v/, look at how petty and vindictive people are about IPs they dislike.UB sets will get more abuse on social media than they get praise. Companies who contracted Hasbro as an ad campaign for their IP will resent that, because that is what this shit is, invasive ads in the form of game pieces.And Bloomburrow already showed us whomever buys FF or Spider-Man will not stay, they'll see the next set isn't more FF/Spooderman and they'll quit immediately.
>>94279313>ultra rare case of good art with a sexually attractive female>trash cardThey do it on purpose.
>>94282185>UB sets will get more abuse on social media than they get praiseThis hasn't been the case for UBs so far, what makes you think that'll change?
>>94282136Imagine getting mad about a hypothetical turn 4 from green when red can win on turn 2
>>94282136Turn four? Damn, that's crazy. Anyway, I cast Sunfall.
>>94281681I think there should be some mention of the shift from 3 set blocks to 2 set blocks to single sets. I think it's one of the biggest outward symptoms/causes of the internal changes you're describing. With less time and space to flesh out each setting, they become more dependent on recognizable imagery as a sell. Amonkhet, Kaladesh, and Ixalan are the awkward middle children between the more fleshed out old blocks and the paper thin single sets that followed.That said, I suppose there's some question of whether the chicken or the egg came first here. Was it the business decision to shift block structure (twice) that pushed them towards cheaper worldbuilding? Or was the worldbuilding already getting cheaper and the shifts in structure just made it more apparent?
>>94282136Even if your opponent needs to pay the ward cost they'll just kill it with GFTT, because you sure as fuck haven't been doing anything to threaten their life total while ramping.
>>94282275Theros was explicitly said from the designers to be a more surface-level look at ancient Greece, wasn't it? Innistrad also had quite a few more generic horror references.That definitely feels like the time when they were trying out a few 'safer' ideas. Especially if they were actively trying to aim for a more pop-culture understanding of Greek mythology in an effort to not alienate people.
Controlbros, are we back with Foundations?
>>94282226They weren't in Arena Standard.
4 mana wrath and a poor man's elixir of immortality is certainly a start
>>94282319>Innistrad also had quite a few more generic horror references.Innistrad's design doccument was also so thick you could clearly tell with of the basics belonged to Thraben, Stencia, Kessig or Nephalia. A couple references are ok a sprinkles on a cake. But you can't make a whole cake out of sprinkles.
>>94282319Honestly, I'd put Theros and Amonkhet on a fairly similar level of pilfering aesthetics and working backwards from there. Kamigawa was kinda doing the same thing, but simply putting more original thought and effort into it. Then they brutally raped it into submission by making it some abomination of Bladerunner and mecha anime with the violated remains of old Kamigawa on the side.
>>94282402Theros is simply the easiest example because we have quotes of the designers directly stating that they didn't do a deep-dive into it like they did for the original Kamigawa. That's something they said they did on purpose, and that they thought it was a successful approach. If the designers themselves claim that they're going for more easily recognizable references, then that feels like a pretty clear-cut change in design attitude.
I've been playing since unlimited. Yes, I ordered the books and yes, I had this. I wish I still did!
>>94281681>>94282275>>94282319>>94282373This project is going to take much longer than I thought thanks to scope creep within my focus. Ill use an excerpt for example.Of the Goblins on Shadowmoor:We next come to the Spriggan; these goblins only appear on three cards within the two blocks, one in Shadowmoor and two in Eventide. Of note is that the card they first appear on [Tower Above] is the only depiction of Spriggans within a group. Because of this and cross-referencing with the other two cards, alongside other material, we can come to some conclusions about Spriggans and their place within Lorwyn's environment. First, they have a distinctive appearance from the other goblins on the plane. Unlike the Boggarts that make up the bulk of Goblins, the Spriggans have yellow skin, which is shared with Hobgoblins, but with distinctive long pointed noses and much more narrow mouths. Outside of the face, they are depicted as generally having thin, scrawny bodies, barring one exception in the [Swirling Spriggan], which we will touch upon later. In terms of personality, they appear to share the same hunger the Shadowmoor version of the Boggarts do on account of [Hungry Spriggan]: "If a spriggan's eyes are larger than its stomach, it has ways to remedy the situation." with the same penchant for cruelty if the body language and flavor text for [Swirling Sprigan] are anything to go by "After its encounter with the spriggan, the patrol was red with anger, green with envy, white with fear, and painfully black and blue.". Of note is their complete absence from the first half of the block in LRW&MOR puts them squarely in the group of creatures that do not exist on the sunny side of The Great Aurora, meaning that they either go into a great unmoving slumber or just do plainly not exist in that state of the world. 1/2
>>94278504why is the text justified left? goddamn, they don't know how to make the cards anymore?
>>94282526These creatures are of note in that they are both the only pure Green Goblins in the set and the singular U/G Goblin; in the transition, Boggarts went from BG experience seekers to RG balls of ravenous hunger, which, as stated before, is represented in their traditional core color of red. Meanwhile, all other types of goblines are of a dual-color pairing. In truth, these creatures are an embodiment of G/U's domain over complex physical change, a space they share with a few other creature types on the plane. The Orignal conception of the Spirrgans as the Ghosts of Giants with the power to change shape comes across strongly here, especially in the mechanics for [Tower Above] "2/G, 2/G, 2/G: Until end of turn, target creature gets +4/+4 and gains trample, wither, and "When this creature attacks, target creature blocks it this turn if able." and [Hungry Spriggan] "2,G: Trample, Whenever Hungry Spriggan attacks, it gets +3/+3 until end of turn." Lastly is [Swirling Spriggan] in its ability: "G/U, G/U: Target creature you control becomes the color or colors of your choice until end of turn." G/U allows one to change fundamental aspects of oneself, and the G/U creatures, only the Spriggan and a cycle of mystical lights, have this power; the rest focus on the color pairings' affinity for learning about the natural world or the more base conception of amphibious beasts projecting their own physicality in tricksy ways. But why is there an emphasis on green in comparison to the other U/G creatures, and why did Wizards make them goblins? Giants are also an R/G tribe within the same set, and you could easily make them bleed over into U for the same effect if needed.2/2The Spriggan section isn't even done yet.
>>94282536I think it's trying to make the fact that it has seven keywords stand out more.
>>94282543Right now my plan is to do a brief overview of Lorwyn as a plane, a breakdown on each of the goblin types residing there, how they relate to the other creatures on the Plane, their place in the greater context of MTG and Goblins within, and a cross comparison with Amonkhet to bring it back in.The posts earlier on in the thread have also made me want to just say fuck it and write a full novella sized write up on the whole plane and its place in Magic but that would take literal months of research and effort.If I finish my discussion on the Goblins will that be enough or should I just do all of it at this point.
>>94282577All of it is a bit much to ask for a 4chan post but do whatever makes you happier. I'm reading it
>>94282577Anon I'm glad you're enjoying yourself, but that's a lot of words to say WotC looked at a brief description of spriggans, copied it over, and decided that green was the best fit for it in the color pie. I'm sure somebody with the knowledge could write up a similar post for anything from Innistrad or Theros or Amonkhet.
>>94282577It is a very interesting view, but in the context of the thread, I think a breakdown of the goblins of Lorwyn would suffice.Otherwise from the sound of it, you'll never actually get to the Amonkhet comparison.
>>94281442What was the inspiration for these guys?https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=type%3Aavatar+%28game%3Apaper%29+block%3Ashm
>>94282611I'm not done yet, this is just proof that I didn't back out of the conversation the real meat comes after plus i'm just using the description anon gave in the previous thread when he threw down the gauntlet, I will add to it in the next draft.>>94282587>>94282612I appreciate it, and for now i'm having fun. I think I will just do the goblins and Amonkhet for now and if I feel like I have made my point or if my stance ultimately changes into a defense I will stop there. If I feel like I need to do more to get my point across I will do more.And for reference my point is in the defense of the fucking paint drawing I made that someone else has refined and picked up the torch for. IDK their is a small part of my that feel like if I put enough work into this and can convince people somehow, someway it can make a difference, change some peoples minds or help them look at MTG in a way they never engaged with it before even if they ultimately disagree with me. Even if its likely just a continued cope from the UB announcement.Because from what I have seen the great issue plaguing the community in my estimation is ultimately apathy either via demoralization, a craving for schadenfreude, or mainly ignorance, people just don't have anything to grasp onto with magic besides the mechanics alone and by explaining what Magic the Gathering as a thing unto itself I hope some people can be engaged in a different way.>>94282649https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-storyline/335515-the-seers-parables (copy since the OG was purged in the server transfer)Either way I already took a melatonin for tonight so this will be all.
>>94282611I think the point is in Lorwyn they took folklore and translated it into something that felts like Magic.While in Amonkhet they just used previously utilized depictions of pop culture Egypt 1:1.The only flavor/design aspect in Amonkhet that wasn't a direct copy from Hollywood or video games was the lanky eunuch angels. If spriggans had been made by the Amonkhet team they wouldn't be goblins, they would be spirit giants.
>>94282275They've said that they put as much effort into new worlds as older ones since if one gets popular they don't have to spend much time thinking of new lore. The more overt themes are because they want the audience to get what they are referencing. The Akroan Horse was the Akroan Lion until playtesters told them they didn't understand the reference. Eldraine was more Arthurian in nature until WOE when they realized that people didn't understand the Arthur references such as why Questing Beast was legendary. For WOE they went with the fairytale theme everyone understand.
>>94282739>They've said that they put as much effort into new worlds as older onesNTA but I don't buy that for a fucking second w
>>94282739That's a retarded way to design.You make the good shit and let your high IQ players rely the super secret lore to the dunces. That's how SoulsBorne lore videos have millions of views.When you just give memeberberries away retards go "muh references lmao" and forget about it in a minute.
>>94282677which hollywood movie portrays the mummies as the wagecucks of ancient egypt?
>>94282649They look like they weren't inspired by anything and were instead created as a cycle of hybrid mana powerful. Them being the same cost meant they powered them based on that and weaken or powered up the outliers to match the the cost. The only art designe inspirations I see is Nobilis of War references Thor with its chariot pulled by 2 goats.
>>94282739>why Questing Beast was legendaryexplainpill me
>>94282748I think its just of shift of implementation. It seems like they prioritize references that audience get more than ever. Maro has said that that Bottom-Up worlds, sets that are designed mechanically first were intergrated closely with lore to appeal to everyone. It seems like appearing like a theme park world is more marketable .
>>94282819There is only one Questing Beast in the original that King Arthur had to slay. During design they had Questing Beast as a non-legendary creature until a Arthur lore expert reminded them its supposed to be legendary. Mark didn't know it was a specific creature.
>>94282677>If spriggans had been made by the Amonkhet team they wouldn't be goblins, they would be spirit giants.That would've been more interesting though. Same for the treefolk, they didn't make them spirits of trees they just took Tolkien's ents and ran with it. Maybe they feared alienating the players again with obscure lore shit after Kamigawa flopped, which is understandable, but I doubt that was them trying to be original and "create their own thing" at any level.
>>94282788>The only art designe inspirations I see is Nobilis of War references Thor with its chariot pulled by 2 goatsThere's also Godhead of Awe and the Tarot Magician.
>>94279194>gatekeeper for vamps>archdriluid for elvesGive me something for goblins.
>>94283012Gatekeeper is not anywhere near as powerful as Archdruid. They should've reprinted Nocturnus.
>>94283012Will this do?
Soul Weaver 2GCreature - Spider SpiritRareReachWhenever another nontoken creature you control dies, you may reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card. Put that card in your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.4/3
>>94283012Guttersnipe & Fanatical Firebrand are the only goblins of note.
>>94283033This is a pretty sweet anti-wrath tool. Going all in, getting blown out, and drawing 4 more threats sounds pretty good.
>>94282136Ayo, dis nigga scared of mono green in standard lmao
>>94278328New thread >>94283230>>94283230>>94283230
>>94283036>Flash >FlyingThis isn't funny anymore
>>94281952Wrong!Best not to purchase it.
>>94282499Fuck off that's not real Magic
>>94280963>hope they can do something interesting with aliens other than it just being another creature type to build aggro decks aroundsame, basically all tribal supports are about giving +X/+X to creatures you control (including +1/+1 counters) or shitting out tokens or free/discounted creatures. they should integrate creature types with other strategies more instead of just making them various flavours of aggro
>>94281318this is the kind of confusion this change aims to remove. you see, unless a blocking creature has first strike your attacker can't die "before it gets a chance to dela damage", because creatures all deal damage at the same time. this is how it alway worked, a 3/3 creature with deathtouch (or even something like a 9/1 without abilites) blocked by 3 3/3 creatures would kill all of them even before this rule change
>>94282275I don't get how people can have issues with level of references in Amonketh, Khaladesh, Ixalan, Khaldheim etc. and in the same breath say that OG Kamigawa was fine. Is literally the same level of a plane being based on legendary/historical irl world region. Literally "Thing - Japan" memes.
>>94281107Yes, and James sticking his hand down the toilet will be the best card in the set.
>>94281368spongebob
>>94282739>They've said that they put as much effort into new worlds as older ones since if one gets popular they don't have to spend much time thinking of new lore. New planes are utterly lacking in lore though. Theme parks might sell well, but they're still theme parks at the end of the day, and the illusion falls apart as soon as you inspect them too closely.
>>94283988Yes it is, faggot
