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Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
Straight bolas
If Wizards printed>(3)>Artifact>{T} Add one mana of any color to your mana pool>Whenever an opponent’s spell or ability would cause you to mill one or more cards, that player mills that many cards instead.Mill decks would dry up literally overnight.There’s a shit load of cheap or even free graveyard hate but players still play reanimator and graveyard synergy because it’s fun.If a shitty 3 cost mana rock could shut down mill, and even give the player a taste of their own medicine, mill players would immediately stop playing the strat.They’re unhappy, spiteful people who play a strat that isn’t going to win them the game solely because they find perverse pleasure in making you throw your cards in the trash.
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>>94312356>tqtatyova
>>94312454>I must hate out a weak strategy because...>uhhh...>because it's played by meanie heads!Mill is gay, but you're a faggot, a whiney faggot at that.
"EW YOU'RE PLAYING GOBLINS UGHHHH GROSS I HATE GOBLINS ITS SO ANNOYING">Sorry, but it's not a Krenko commander, but he is in the 99"EEWWE EVERYONE TARGET HIM ANYWAYS HERE IS MY TURN 2 5/5 WITH FLYING, LIFELINK, DOUBLE STRIKE, AND VIGILENCE">mfw
>>94312484>no goblin mfwYWNBAG
>>94312484Do ppl really hate gobs? They are the most based tribe with zombos & wizards..
>>94312482>m-mill is weak bro!!! Why do you hate it!?!?Why do you play it? As a follow up, why the fuck are you suggesting that something has to be competitively strong to be disliked? It is sufficient that it is just not fun to play against.I think you acknowledge this when you say that a 3 cost mana rock that does nothing but reflect mill back onto you is “hat[ing] out” the strategy. You’re just proving my point that you don’t play mill because it’s fun. Graveyard decks still exist even though there is literally 0 mana graveyard exile in game. It doesn’t stop graveyard players.
>>94312507I hate goblins because other than dragons they’re the face of Red. Hate the stupid little fuckers. It’s 2008 “lol so randumb” for modern tabletop audiences>our DM came up with le Boblin the Goblin NPC and now he’s the party’s mascot! xD>le mao le heckin gobbos in my war game just fling themselves at the enemy isn’t that so wacky?Mtg goblins are the same shitNot to mention every fucking pervert who thinks bolting large tits onto a drawing of a child’s body and painting them green mitigates their pedo fetish, posting about it constantly on this board
>>94312454I ain't reading all that, but I'm happy for you, or I'm sorry to hear all that.My girlfriend is super cute.
>>94312525which cards to abuse her?
>>94312529
>>94312522You're weak and should stop playing. Thank you in advance.
>>94312556Found the pea-green pedo
>>94312522I'm a literal faggot and I think shorstacks are pretty dumb but you need to get over yourself anon this isn't healthy.
>>94312454>hating millTrue sign of a newfag and a scrub
>>94312590You cannot say that I am wrong
>>94312529So in pure U you're a little restricted. You want to make sure your recursion casting doesn't make copies in exile; they need to go off in the graveyard.To that end, you want the following:DisturbFlashbackEscapeEmbalmUnearthAs for her, she's best friends with Archmage's Newt, it'll let you tap her without bringing her into combat and let you flashback for 0. Saddling or Crewing are both great for her if you can't get her evasion. You can also use things like Abandoned Sarcophagus to cast Cycled spells from your GY, or anything like Snapcaster Mage (Like Lier, Disciple of the Drowned).You're going to have a lot of sorceries and instants hit the grave, so Runechanter's Pike and Glamdring will blow up her Power to mill even more.You may also use Convergence of Dominion to get your grave abilities for cheaper.For lands, Minamo, School at Water's Edge or Maze of Ith will let you double tap her.If you just want to mill people out, Bruvac's your man and Fractured Sanity can result in a hilarious 52 card mill if you cast it for UUU, play Abandoned Sarcophagous and then play it again from your graveyard. If you can get enough mana on board to cast it with mana from Mystic Sanctuary, you can use the copy to mill all your opponents for a total of 80 cards. It'll cost you UUU, 3, UU 1U total, but if you get Defiler of Dreams down first, you can get it to go for UU(2 life), 3, U(2 life) and 1U.
>>94312511What isn't fun about it?Run some recursion you dumb ass. You think my Gisa and Geralf deck gives a fuck that you're filling my graveyard? You hate it because you run decks with no way to operate once a piece is removed.
>>94312601I can and I am, you're a retard.>>94312454Just play green and/or black decks and thank them for the 12/12 on turn 3
>>94312511>Why do you play it?I don't because in edh it's actively terrible>something has to be competitively strong to be disliked?I never said that, I even said I didn't like it. I was suggesting making a staple for edh, like the artifact you made up, is stupid because mill is weak. I was also making fun of you.Essentially, I'm just calling you a faggot because you're crying about a mechanic that's underpowered and old as dirt. Your seething hatred is pathetic. same as getting butthurt about counterspells. Except counterspells are actually powerful, unlike mill. QQ
>>94312356>TQLandfall and lands decks in general from experience. Hope that can teach pubs to carry some land and grave hate in some form.
>>94312609>j-just dedicate half your deck to retrieving the other half of your deck from the grave!Why would I do that? Especially if I don’t know I’m up against mill?Because you can’t even say a few recursion cards are enough, because chances are you’ll mill those too. What’s next? Only play flashbacks?
>>94312624>You'll mill thoseGood thing mine has flashback.
>>94312622I WOULD HAVE HAD YOU IF YOU HADN'T MILLED MY ONE COMBO PIECE THAT I HAVE NO BACK UP PLAN FOR! GAAAAARGH
>>94312622>I was suggesting making a staple for edh, like the artifact you made up, is stupid because mill is weakIt wouldn’t be a staple though. That’s literally the point. A 3 mana rock that does nothing but be over costed unless it’s the 1 in 50 game where someone is playing mill? No one would run that in every deck. And yet it’s mere existence would stop pretty much all mill players because the 1 time they run into it they will literally never shut up about it- because mill is inherently unfun to play against and that is what they will feel when literally their own deck is used against them
>>94312529My main man Lier
>>94312631They'll just blow it up because having a sub 80 IQ is only a requirement for complaining about mill, not playing it
>>94312511NTA but I play mill because it IS a fun alt wincon, partly because it has a visceral psychological effect on the opponents that damage/combo wins can’t approximate, as evidenced by your seething. You can’t even be mad about it because it’s good, which makes it even better. You only feel like it’s not fun because it tickles a part of your irrational lizard brain that makes you feel like you lost something, when in reality you didn’t even know if you were ever going to see that card this game at all until it got milled. You probably won’t lose to mill, it doesn’t stop you from playing like stax does, and it doesn’t even bring you closer to losing to the other players because you don’t take damage. But it stings, and you can’t even get mad about it without looking like a bitch
>>94312605She is a Vehicles commander
>>94312624>Especially if I don’t know I’m up against mill? Why are you focussing on this weak mechanic instead of, for example, LANDFALLYou know, those decks that are based on ramping, throwing out as many lands as possible and get rewarded for it? The archetype which has no direct counter, that you cannot account for? Landfall is actually strong, and has the exact same problems as mill, except it's actually uncounterable, and all of its hate cards are soft banned.
>>94312605nice
>>94312647>it has a visceral psychological effect on the opponents that damage/combo wins can’t approximate, as evidenced by your seething.Oops anon, you said the quiet bit out loud. Thanks for confirming:>>94312454>They’re unhappy, spiteful people who play a strat that isn’t going to win them the game solely because they find perverse pleasure in making you throw your cards in the trash.
>>94312651>Why are you focussing on this weak mechanic instead of, for example, LANDFALLWhy are you deflecting instead of refuting anything that’s been said about your shitty strategy?
>>94312650Nah, the mill line is a trap, just a side bonus to fuel her 2nd ability
>>94312659Good players run robust decks that aren't affected by mill in any meaningful way.Getting salty about mill indicates that you build shitty decks.
>>94312659I won't reply any further, unless you acknowledge I don't like or play mill. Until then, you can sit in the corner like a good little crybaby
>>94312660I can think of at least two monoblue vehicles with graveyard interaction: The Indominable and Deluxe Dragster. Subterranean Schooner and Waterlogged Hulk get shit into your yard for cheap, as well.
Mill is a pretty nigger way to play the game (assuming you don't have an out for it) but it's also generally not that strong either, just target the guy out with your friends if you think he's being a dick.
>>94312650You can do that too, but you're gonna have to have ways to get your vehicles back from the grave. Only The Indomitable is going to bring itself back when you mill it and only if you've built heavily into the vehicles. Neerdiv isn't going to help you get pirates on board and being limited to blue pirates isn't super hot.The only vehicle I've found that don't really need built around are Subterranean Schooner and Waterlogged Hulk // Watertight Gondola.
>>94312668>uh a-actually it’s a skill issue! Yeah that’s it!Classic. You wouldn’t run milk if it didn’t interfere with a players ability to actually play the game. You’re caught in the classic double-bind all low mill IQ players fall into. Mill has to simultaneously be so unplayable that it doesn’t warrant complaint but you still have to make an argument for why you play it. Just can’t be done.You never see this shit for like a Happily Ever After deck or something. That’s unplayable. People don’t play it. People don’t need to defend playing it.
>>94312689>mill players are dumbThen why do they keep beating you?
>>94312677Dragster is on theme, but it doesn't trigger Neerdiv, she needs casts from your own graveyard to trigger.
>>94312507Goblins are great. It's goblin players that are always a problem.
>>94312689>You wouldn’t run milkCorrect. I don't. I came here to laugh at you.
>>94312695Oh fuck, that sucks
>not running Psychic corrosion and then targetong yourself with peer into the abyss for the mill win
>>94312655Yeah, every mill player already knows this and we know that you can’t do or say anything about it because you’ll come off like a whiny schizo and everyone will mock and dogpile you just like they’ve been doing this whole thread.Now carefully count out every card left in your deck, then carefully count out half of that, then carefully throw that half in the garbage
>>94312529Emry will probably get a some good use out of Neerdiv. They look like they'll make a nice merfolk gal duo. For me, I'm putting her in the wife, Muldrotha. Neerdiv is going to be fun and get absolutely massive with Muldrotha.
>>94312612Anyone end up building Slime Against Humanity? How'd that go and who led the deck?
>>94312622>QQOnly faggots do this. Opinion discarded.
>>94312709A guy in my pod runs it, and it's actually a disgusting Flubs deck.
>>94312711>B'awwwwww!!!
>>94312713>Flubs deck.Sorry to hear that anon. Flub is one of the big cards that seemed fun and looked cool on paper but in practice ended up being a massive chore to see played.
>>94312697My Gob Zombie deck is obnoxious for sure
>>94312711It was the perfect addition considering your reply. QQ
>>94312716>t. Faggot
>>94312713Flubber is based
>>94312719it works insanely well for Slime decks because you want to have that shit in the yard anyway, but yeah his turns are occasionally durdley as fuck
>>94312722Replies mean nothing, you tepid panty sniffing troll
>>94312711I don't get it, why are you upset about him floating mana?
>>94312733>trollIf it's fair to call me a troll, it's fair to call you a pissbaby
>>94312703falseflagging retard
>>94312733God, it's been so long since I sniffed a pair of panties. Commanders for this feel?
>>94312389>>94312413>>94312457Board culture is weird
>>94312734Haha, good one
>>94312755You’d know all about that >>94312629
>>94312742Idrc what you call me, pissing and moaning about milling will never not be funny
>>94312758No ritual posters are just paint-drinkingly retarded. This shit doesn’t happen in most generals.
>>94312767Oh I figured it was for bumping, honestly, but that doesn't make sense, either
>>94312758Ritual posters are fine if they're the harmless types. The ones who when they show up spam their specific collection of pics for their obsession and insist on some strangely laser focused view of the thing in question are the real pains. Those are the kind that can really hurt a general.
>>94312775Your guess is as good as any. Autism?Brain worms? Never knowing the love of a parent? Whatever the cause, these retards (or more realistically, a singular retard) will make exactly the same posts in every single /edhg/ no matter what. He doesn’t reply to anyone when making the posts to tie them to something someone else said, he isn’t looking for conversation, I don’t even think the shit he posts has any meaning to him. You can go back and see it has been literally hundreds of threads now. Maybe even more than 1000.I think on some small level maybe it’s like pissing to mark his territory. Some way of saying he was here.
>>94312525>>94312529Would cycling count because the card is in the graveyard when the ability goes on the stack, or would it not count because it starts in your hand when you activate the ability?
>>94312777Nah it’s always unhealthy. Certainly unhealthy for the fucker who has committed his life to do it, that’s for sure.
>>94312796Discarding the card is a cost associated with cycling, so the yard must be populated with the card when the cycling trigger occurs. I am not a judge so I can't tell you 100% for sure
>>94312777I think I did a lot of damage when I started helping Christian, removing the proxy links and spamming against proxies. I believe the general was barely usable those days
>>94312767>This shit doesn’t happen in most generals.Newfag
>>94312767>This shit doesn’t happen in most generals.ay el em ay oh
Which art should I use in my Odric deck?>>94312796the ability has to be activated from the yard, so no. something like flashback or the primal tide would work
>>94312962Left for sure
First time playing magic in around 15-17 years and I just picked up the Necron Dynasties deck. Are their any major changes I need to make out the box or should I can I just use it as is?
>>94312980Use as is at first. The changes you need will come organically. Every table is different
>>94312962Right for sure
I wish we got Universes Beyond Duel Masters. Getting the most iconic yu-gi-oh cards of all time adapted for Magic would be cool.
>>94313036I hate that I would like this.
I SUMMON POT OF GREED
>>94312962Both. Using a single basic is dumb, pick a whole set cycle that fits the deck/commander.
>>94313036By adapted do you mean Man-Eater Bug would be a morph creature or more akin to chupacabra? Give me Maxx "C" cowards
Gay Bolas
I'm bored and I wanna make a meme deck. Besides stuff like Child of Alara + 99 lands what are funny/dumb ideas to run for like, one night only?
>>94313206go sasaya orochi ascendent and tap for 50 green in one turn
>>94313206oops all spells with charbelcher winconThere's now 48 MDFCs that have a land on the back, so you can still have a manabase
>>94313206Progenitus, with him as your only way to kill people
>>94313219This would be very funny if mana burn was still a thing. Was there ever a way to redirect mana burn damage with cards like Deflecting Palm?>>94313285>If you reveal no land cards, Goblin Charbelcher deals damage equal to the number of cards revealed, and then you may order your library as you like. Okay THAT'S fucking funny. >There's now 48 MDFCs that have a land on the backHoly shit that actually works. I just need a way to tutor that out (and bring it back from the graveyard if necessary) and I'm set>>94313291Honestly the one reason I've never done it is that he still dies from board wipes and can be countered, and having to pay 10, then 12, then 14, etc, mana for him would be brutal
>>94312655Anon, people have been using strategies specifically (or additionally) because they make people upset since the dawn of magic. It's funny to see idiots get upset. This isn't some grand conspiracy you've uncovered, and It's beyond retarded that you think so.
>>94312689I play awful meme decks because I think they're fun. I simultaneously think it'd be silly for people to get upset at them, and that they're not very good. There's no contradiction here because edh is not a competitive format.
>>94312703>Now carefully count out every card left in your deck, then carefully count out half of that, then carefully throw that half in the garbageI gotta admit, doing this to my friends with nulamogg and seeing them thumb through all the card they don't get to play now is pretty damn funny
>>94313206Golos non-sliver sliver tribal.>golos>fetches inventor's fair>fetches maskwood nexus>play exclusively creatures with some type of tribal synergy and only ever run 1 of each tribe>play slivers without having a single sliver in your deck>buried ruin to get back the maskwood when it gets removed, hall of heliod and conspiracy as backups when some "clever" fucko exiles the maskwood
What Commanders are you happy to see in your pod? I love the side quest aspect of this card.
>>94313410Well I mean.
>>94313421Anything released before 2013.
>>94313206Zacama with 45 lands and 45 ramp spells is a fun one-trick pony, and very cheap to build.
>>94312689NTA but mill is fine. If the mill player is going to be a problem for you and most of your decks, then you should strive to take them out (or politick to take them out) in the same way a guy playing a storm deck is gonna try to take out a Rule of Law deck first.Straight mill is bad. Sometimes it's used as a means to an end like Captain N stealing your shit or comboing with Bruvac, but as a central strategy, it isn't great, and you shouldn't be this upset as an experienced player.
I haven't played with this card enough to know if it's worth running.
>>94313505It's actually incredible how weak mill is against 3 other people. I will never understand how people get so salty at it
>>94313514>5 cmcfuck thats high. seems kind of worth it / fun in boros though as a second boros charm for creature strategy junk.
Why the hell are they doing retro frame for Innistrad remaster?No Innistrad set had this kind of border.The should make it the old border like >>94313291 has instead of this. I think that would be a lot better. I honestly miss the border before the current one we have. What the fuck were they thinking.Also 900 second timer to post what the fuck.
>>94313624They did it for Ravnica, too
>>94313627Yeah I forgot about that. Really retarded.
>>94313624>Also 900 second timer to post what the fuck.lol sounds like you broke a rule or were spamming. I've never seen it go above the usual
>>94313624>retro framevery good>The should make it the SHIT MODERN borderlollmao
>>94313624>Also 900 second timer to post what the fuck.That's the 15 minute anti-spam thing.
>>94313651You think >>94312703 looks bad?Or pic related?
>>94313678compared to retro borders, I do think that modern borders look bad. I'll agree tho if you say that modern looks better than m15.
Is this just a winmore card or is it actually useful? Anyone tried it?
>>94313842Free creatures, especially if you luckshit into a beefy motherfucker, is always good. Green has lots of ramp so I'm not too worried about that mana cost
>>94313842I tried it once. it's literally 5 mama do nothing and god lord if you get wiped it actually does nothing to get you back up. so yeah it kinda is win more so make sure you can always muster up a single creature to trigger it consistently
>>94313840Oh yeah I never said that Retro Border is worse than Modern Frame (I actually didn't know it was called modern frame and the current is called m15), but Modern is better than M15.The thing is that Ravnica and Innistrad were printed in Modern Border, so I believe that the "special treatment" of cards in the Remaster sets should be in Modern instead of Retro.I was okay with Dominaria being in Retro because there were sets in Dominaria in the retro frame.
This guy + cards like Cryptolith Rite is gonna produce a hilarious amount of mana. I've never done infinite combos/huge mana bursts before. What're the main ones people do?
>>94312767You need to explore more games
>never did a Beatrix Potter Secret Lair for BloomburrowWtf why
>>94313931look through all sorts of high cmc cost green sorceries for starters
>>94314026This card is unironically horrible.
>>94313995I would've preferred Redwall since it matches the world a bit better with the whole mice protag wielding a sword passed down from generation to generation thing.It would've been the easiest shit to just do a Mabel, Heir to Cragflame -> Matthias, the Warrior
>>94314036I use in my infinite green combo simic deck with great results
>>94313206Budget version of Gitrog cEDH combo.
>>94314052>simic deck
>>94313206Kamahl, Fist of Krosa + 99 ForestsAshling the Pilgrim + 99 Mountains(Would some kind Anon recommend a commander for 99 Islands?)
Advice on how to get this deck off the ground? I tried adding black to an izzet storm deck to try and help it get there, but I can't really think of good wincons. Price isn't really an issue since it's just a bulk proxy order anyway but I try to stay away from the reallly old bullshit cards, like most anything about $50.
>>94312525>slap picrel to the neerdiv>pay 1, tap her as a cost>untap her>trigger mill>repeat until you run out of mana
>>94314077what can I say, I like having having 7+ mana on t4
>>94313915>5 mana do nothingYou just put it in a deck that didn't need it lol. It very clearly does a lot!
>>94314036No it's not its a really good card. Now THIS is a horrible card>>94313931
>>94314128idk what you mean by storm when there are 0 storm cards there or cards that really care about casting a lot except like a couple prowessy creatures. all you have there are many effects that copy spells (which doesn't rise storm count) and while the things you are copying are rituals and wheels, none of the creatures really do anything with that. on top of that you have way too few instant and sorceriest: prosper storm player. for example I had to cut all the "exile a card at the beginning of upkeep" because they are too slow for a big one turn burst and that's what I see with all these copiers. I also have a kess deck with wheels so what I try to do with her is to cast something that cares about drawing a lot like niv or locust god and then wheel at least twiceone last note that storming off in edh is really glass cannon and doesn't really work out if you don't go all in on it so it might get boring after a while since you are doing nothing most of the game
>>94314226I hadn't actually gotten to adding really much synergy yet. This is a sketch draft, me adding anything off the top of my head that fits "does things in response to grixis spellslinging" and a manabase to fit.
>>94314236ah I see. well for that pile I'd consider surge to victory as a wincon. it's what I added to my kess but have not been able to cast it yet. I've seen it wreck games tho. evasive creatures like the drakes are good there
>>94312767>This shit doesn’t happen in most generalsoh honey
>>94314226People (newfags) have just started calling all spellslinger "storm" lately. I suspect it has something to do with arena.
>>94314128>doesnt know how game works>doesnt know what terminology means>wants people to help him with his proxy deck>tried adding black>it's just 5 tutorsLmak no thanks! I thought proxyfags were smart, can't you make your own deck?
>mob boss gets reprinted in foundations>spawns new batch of mono red krenko players
>>94312457Not now, not ever
>>94312454There are literally shuffle titans you absolute moron.
>>94314377I ran into an idiot in this very general who asserted that like a year ago. I hope he's doing ok
>>94312454there are already cards that do this and yes those cards exist because wotc openly admits mill is a stupid strategy but it's "popular" among the degenerates that play their game so they keep it in, even though it's permanently kneecapped as a strategy
>>94314377I would classify any deck that takes ten minute turns resolving 10+ instants and sorceries and magecraft equivalent triggers storm, even if they never cast a spell with storm.
>>94314454Gotta love that new art too. Just fucking kicking down a door.
>have literal mountain of mountains and a pile of swamp basics>look at brewing monored or rakdos to make use of them>hate every single R B/R stratGuess I'll just sell this mound of trash.
>>94314750What strats have you considered?
>>94314659I miss the bulbous nose, but I appreciate that this time the mob is included in the art.
>>94312732Is there even a comparable Slimes commander? I don't want two Flubs decks
>>94313842I liked it the few times I played it. Though it also ended up being a cut. I don't really like these kind of random card on top effects. Even if the scry first does help you set up a bit and removes some of the randomness from it.
>>94314809I run my slimes deck with Archelos, but I know people hate him for being out-of-color. I suppose if I get a better Sultai slime, I'd swap him out, but I didn't want to make a Mimeoplasm deck and I didn't care for Felix Five-Boots. Plus, you know, Turtle...Ooze...it fits.
>>94314776All of Red/Rakdos's regular garbage. Everything B/R does black does better with other colors and monored is just boring and weak as shit.
>>94314038I would have expected them to at least go the way they did for the Jurassic Park cards and sneak them into packs for a set.
>>94314864I wish Rakdos got a mechanical refresh like what Boros got with Lorehold, and we still don't have enough Lorehold style W/R cards.
Been playtesting my Sidar deck and it feels super smooth. Wonder was a really solid include, to the point where I'm not even trying to dig up Cover of Darkness anymore.
>>94314038I have this feeling that the Jacques estate doesn't want to shop around the Redwall IP. Aside from the PBS show there hasn't been a thing, despite Redwall being perfect for tabletop. I mean, hell, I would have expected them to have picked out another author to keep cranking out the books so they can continue to milk it.
>>94312454why do you hate fun?
>>94314904Replace Cover of Darkness with Filth or Valor
>>94314882Problem is they can't really shake up Red without fucking over 60c. They need to start printing cards aimed at and legally useable only in Commander, but good fucking luck ever getting that amount of common sense out of WOTC.
>>94314927>boros millholy basado I wanna steal this so bad
>>94314981Yeah, anything too strong and RDW becomes even more of a problem. I still have fun with Zada and Imodane, though.
>>94314904>Cover of DarknessSidar also has ways into horsemanship as well doesn't he? With that Glory, and Wonder Sidar can really make himself and any other knights very difficult to block to the point I'm not sure you ever really needed Cover Of Darkness.
>>94315049Yeah, there's a Blue knight for Horsemanship, Wonder for Flying, and I have literally not thought about Glory in years. I need to get me one of those.>>94314933Filth is a good option, but I prefer not giving first strike to most of the other Knights for not fantastic reanimation combat memes
>>94313343>Mitigating mana burnI don't think so
This guy used an impulse sealer to heat seal a card I bought
>>94313644Its the new thing against bots.
aw fuck I just realised it's another token deckhow the fuck do I stop this. all my piles are becoming homo(genous)
Keep Mana Crypt Banned
>>94314927i do this in gandalf the hwite.it actually worked once, but only because i casted an early Wedding Ring, the salty bitch left out proceeded to bounce my ring and some other thing. I casted it again, gave the one left out a copy and some other guy a second copy. Whole table was married, one was twice.Shit was ridiculous
>>94315109>That hand gestureSorry buddy but I reported you to the Korean authorities
>>94314981I don't think they'd need to do that, Lorehold cards are in multiple format and aren't a problem.As long as the cards which gives Black/Red a new mechanical identity aren't too spashable and aren't pushed like MH3 Energy it should be fine.And RDW is more of a standard only problem, while Modern is also being raped by Red, that raping is in the form of overly pushed Red and White Energy cards.
Looking for some feedback on my Glissa deck before I buy some cards. Its been performing fine so far and has won the majority of games i've played it in, but could use a bit more oomph to finish out games with I think. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0OD56GR45UqCgod_lPFoZA
>>94314131use paradise mantle to just mill the table
>>94315388RDW is a big problem in pauperRDW itself is consistently in the top 2 and RDW+rakdos are consistently in the top 3If you wanted to make red stronger for casual EDH and not hit constructed just make the cards CMC 4+ and they'll never see play.
need to adjust some parts, I made a few changes post bannings>>94314983// COMMANDER1 Osgir, the Reconstructor1 Abrade1 Academy Manufactor1 Aetherflux Reservoir1 Altar of the Brood1 Ancient Den1 Ancient Tomb1 Arcane Signet1 Archivist of Oghma1 Arid Mesa1 Barbarian Ring1 Basalt Monolith1 Chaos Warp1 Chromatic Sphere1 Chromatic Star1 Cloud Key1 Codex Shredder1 Command Tower1 Conjurer's Bauble1 Cursed Mirror1 Darksteel Citadel1 Deflecting Swat1 Dispatch1 Disruptor Flute1 Drannith Magistrate1 Enlightened Tutor1 Ensnaring Bridge1 Esper Sentinel1 Ethersworn Canonist1 Fellwar Stone1 Fomori Vault1 Fountainport1 Galvanic Blast1 Gamble1 Gemstone Cavern1 Generous Gift1 Goblin Engineer1 Goblin Welder1 Grafdigger's Cage1 Grand Abolisher1 Great Furnace1 Ichor Wellspring1 Illusionist's Bracers1 Imperial Recruiter1 Inventors' Fair1 Karn, the Great Creator1 Liquimetal Torque1 Loran of the Third Path1 Lotus Bloom1 Lotus Petal1 Magewright's Stone1 Mana Vault1 Mesmeric Orb1 Mind Stone1 Mishra's Bauble1 Mondrak, Glory Dominus6 Mountain1 Mox Opal1 Mox Tantalite1 Mystic Forge1 Patriar's Seal6 Plains1 Prismatic Vista1 Pull from Eternity1 Pyrite Spellbomb1 Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer1 Reckless Handling1 Rings of Brighthearth1 Sacred Foundry1 Sculpting Steel1 Sensei's Divining Top1 Sevinne's Reclamation1 Shatterskull Smashing // Shatterskull, the Hammer Pass1 Sol Ring1 Sol Talisman1 Soul-Guide Lantern1 Spectator Seating1 Staff of Domination1 Sunbaked Canyon1 Swords to Plowshares1 Teferi's Protection1 The Mycosynth Gardens1 Thousand-Year Elixir1 Torpor Orb1 Treasure Vault1 Uba Mask1 Urza's Saga1 Vexing Bauble1 Welding Jar1 Zirda, the Dawnwaker
>>94312454Jokes on you my mill deck's plan b is reanimator
>>94315116>senseStop building green decks
r8 my list:https://archidekt.com/decks/9395008/battle_cattle_budget_cuts
Pulled the trigger on pic related planning to use the Death Toll precon as a shell to start with. Probably going to lean into draw/discard punishment since I have a Sheoldred already and have been thinking about taking apart Raven Man. Any spicy suggestions?
Imma make a conspiracy humans mutate deck and nobody will be able to stop me.
>>94315690I don't think Wizards should be designing cards around Pauper, Standard and to a lesser extant Modern should be taken into account. But it's way easier to ban cards for Pauper as it's not a premiere format and there also less value in it so it's less likely to have investor keks throw a fir over a banning.
I'm going to build this because I'm too cheep to spend money
>>94316027>Standard and to a lesser extant Modern should be taken into accountAnd RDW is the biggest problem in standard, so what the fuck is your point?>I don't think Wizards should be designing cards around PauperThat's because you absolutely loathe the idea of the game having even one single playable format.
>>94316053>And RDW is the biggest problem in standard, so what the fuck is your point?Giving Red/White and Black/Red alternate mechanical identities isn't going to break RDW in standard anymore than it already is. Well it will, but that's because formats only increase in power the more cards are added, but the point is that by giving them an alternate identity like graveyard stuff with Lorehold or something not aggro burn for Black/Red so they have a different game plan other than the mono red RDW.>That's because you absolutely loathe the idea of the game having even one single playable format.Who said that? I said they should design cards for other formats other than Standard and only take Modern into account a little. I want no straight to Legacy format or Modern cards, and no cards printed purely to push for a certain format like commander. Printing cards directly into legacy formats only exacerbates the issues and causes more cards like Nadu, The One Ring, to be printed just like how making cards for Modern ruined that format.
>>94315749Behead newfags
>>94315749Please just post a Moxfield or Archdekt link,
>>94316093>...This has literally nothing to do with anything that has been said in the thread. Do you have brain damage?>Who said that?You did. Designing cards around pauper = putting problem cards in uncommon+. You are actively wishing for the opposite, which is just asking to kill the format to no gain or impact for or impact on any format that doesn't use rarity.
Walking gay baby jail won me a game last night>buddy has this out in his Ezuri deck>makes it 21/21>goes to swing all out with board>I cast path to exile targeting it>I hold priority and cast flare of fortitude>other players take 42 and lose>I swing at ezuri player for lethal with karnstructsWas kino
>>94315810none of them are
>>94316186>This has literally nothing to do with anything that has been said in the thread. Do you have brain damage?Yes it does, I wish Black/Red Rakdos got a mechanical refresh like what Boros got with Lorehold. That's literally what what I started posting >>94314882 the invention of Lorehold didn't break Red/White and the invention of an alternate mechanical identity for Black/Red won't break it either.>You did. Designing cards around pauper = putting problem cards in uncommon+. You are actively wishing for the opposite, which is just asking to kill the format to no gain or impact for or impact on any format that doesn't use rarity.I mean, first of all I think it's impractical to design cards taking every single format into account, but not a lot of multi color cards are printed at common. Just pursuing the RDW Kuldotha decklist on top 8 shows a mono-red artifact deck that doesn't use any Boros, Lorehold, or Rakdos cards. So I don't see how printing cards for a hypothetical alternate mechanical identity for B/R would be a problem.
>>94316186>>94316230Even beyond that, an alternative identity for BR that isn't just generic aggro would probably end up higher curve, especially at lower rarities, and therefore wouldn't affect RDW in the slightest.
>>94314927I don't get it, what's the combo?
>>94315524Have you considered running Trazyn or Necrotic ooze combos? You're only short a few cards.
>>94316265>everything needs to be a combo
>>94316102https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rtzvQHNjrUGX5uRPl_22-Q
>>94316265rush out Altar and then churn through eggs with graveyard removal on standby
>>94312609>Run some recursion you dumb ass. You think my Gisa and Geralf deck gives a fuck that you're filling my graveyard?>>94312612>Just play green and/or black decks and thank them for the 12/12 on turn 3Do millfags understand how insane they sound when they say this shit?Imagine there was a strat called "blorbo". It's not very competitive, it's not winning tournaments, but thousands of players play it and it is always unpleasant to play against.You go to your image board of choice to comment on how unpleasant it is to play against blorbo and a bunch of blorbo players start saying>just exclusively play anit-blorbo and you'll never have a problem!!!!Utterly unhinged.
>>94316434I dont care much about the anti-mill schizophrenia, but I sure did giggle like a retard at "blorbo"
>>94316045Objectively the better option snowflake
I lost to it again guys. I get filtered by this fucking thing every time.I have to fucking blow up a land AND snipe it from graveyard?
>>94316464I'm going to say it, there should have been bigfoot native americans on thunder junction.How can Wizards want to create a western plane while not having guns or natives is beyond me, and no cactus folk don't count as Wizards avoided giving them a proper culture of history before Thunder Junctions colonization.
>>94316474spot removal for lands and graveyard hate should be in every deck
>>94316502The problem is having to chain them together. Because any deck with Chasm has land recursion. Land removal is highly specific but land protection is plentiful. The odds that I can beast within then exile it from yard without getting stuffed is low.
>>94313107I don’t think the world is ready for bowmasters that lets you draw.
Here's a question:My LGS doesn't sell singles for less than 20 cents. Fair enough. When the number gets to small, the margin on profit becomes worthless. I mean, I will say that I know for a fucking fact that usually they get those really cheap singles from people dumping their collections and they just pay an estimated bulk price anyway, but sure okay.But here's the thing. This pricing extends to basic lands. They have literal boxes of basic lands. They hardly ever sell them because they're so easy to come by. But I only got into EDH relatively recently and I'm finally reaching the stage where the lands I get from packs and boxes are already used up in my decks and I need to buy more to make new decks.I feel like 100 basic lands should just be a dollar. Two dollars at most. 20 bucks is a fucking insane price to pay. Is this normal?
>>94316434>it is always unpleasant to play againstt. has never played against unpleasant decks
>>94316554One quick ebay search found 100 forest for £2.50, there's no reason at all for basics to be expensive
>>94316554>I feel like 100 basic lands should just be a dollar. Two dollars at most. 20 bucks is a fucking insane price to pay.>Is this normal?My LGS's actually has a little container of basics that are free for anyone to take.
>>94316531There are exile target land cards
>>94316474>>94316531You're better off destroying the land replaying enablers then hoping to draw both a land destroyer and graveyard exile at the same time.Or you can do the actual counter to that strategy and play noncombat win conditions.
>>94312413>>94313178MATING PRESS
>>94316737>play noncombat win conditionsYou mean nondamage win conditions.
>>94316697hit me up i want em
What do you guys think? Goblins and lord effects or the 2-3 cmc creatures that are 4+ power?
You know how wizards like to say ivory tower design is good, because realising that obviously shit trap options are shit makes you feel more clever?That's how I feel about millschizo. Keep reeeing about mill you beautiful retard.
Is there any rule about starting your mulligans at less than 7 cards? For instance, if I wanted to start the game hellbent, could I just say "I mulled down to zero" or would I have to physically do it? I found an old mtgsalvation thread saying that "the opponent will likely" let you shortcut it; just wondering if there are any rulings about such a thing.
>>94316910Wtf anon I run ivory tower in my life gain deck you can't say this about me.
>>94316887Dragonhawk tuah
I assume it must be, but is a deck entirely of dwarves feasible?
>>94316952Every time I look at it I think of that.
>>94314864I just built Furry OC and he's a blast. Fits perfectly into that overlap between big spells and reanimator
>>94317000I was considering this one. You mostly just play him as big spells? Topdeck manipulation?
>>94316930I'd make you do it.You're clearly trying to get some kind of advantage, and as long as I don't understand what it is, you're gonna abide by the rules of the game.You say you want to mull down to 0, but then why ask about starting mulligans at less than 7?For example, if you have cards that are bricks in hand are just skipping to mull 4 or something to put those back in your deck so they don't brick, that's an unfair advantage. There is a possibility that if you did every mulligan you would always find a brick and be forced to live with it or go to 0.If you're actually going to 0, why not say you want to start the game without even looking at a hand? I'd probably be more inclined to allow that because I don't see any possible way it could gain you an advantage >>94316964Less than you'd think. You will probably have to run changelings.
>>94317047Looks like he'd like Cascade and Discover lines as well.
Is she just a meme?
>>94316964No, you need lands too.
>>94317047My main focus is to make a deck where I'm never disappointed with my topmost nonland card. So I do have some topdeck stuff like Scheming Symmetry or Haunted Crossroads, the goal is I'm always happy to cast my top card and I always happy to discard a reanimation target to do it. I can upload the list if you want
>>94317077>4drop that gives other players their wincon before it comes around to your turnYou tell me?
What are some commanders/decks that can scale with a variety of pods (barring cEDH)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/lmx1G4rXoUKgM2Wss6cI4AAny suggestions, anons? I just threw this list together last night for a pretty casual/mid power table. Gameplan is pretty simple, just whack face, get some evasion out, finish with overwhelming stampede/full steam ahead or kill on the next turn after Aveline makes my lads huge.Currently debating whether to replace some of my 1CMC 1/1 deathtouchers with 2 CMC deathtouchers with higher toughness, just so I can avoid trading with the 1/1s my opponents probably have. Thoughts?Thanks babes.
>>94317092how do win with 1 card in 1 turn?
>>94316887bring ojer axonil
>>94317077a meme and that's why she's good. Anyways, here's my favorite commander
>>94317136Play the other card that's in your 2 piece combo since you can afford (at least) CMC4 this turn and you just got the other piece literally for free
>>94317098anon your legend is too FIRE
>>94317098They're on the stronger side, but due to Pako the deck does scale with pod level.Lower and mid level pods you'll reveal some big timmy spell that'll blow out the table. Against a higher level pod and you'll probably mill some free counterspells/removal spells, making protecting Pako as easy as casting Halden.
>>94317233Theft inherently scales with tables but it's cringe or cooked or whatever kids say now
>>94317098anything that triggers from your opponents' actions
Made some Kykar old border alters for fun. Which of these 3 artworks do you think looks best?
>>94317276Based bird gokuMiddle has my vote
>>94317276Right looks best with the WUR color balance in art. But the m20 is weird. Change it to like mirage or something
>>94316998Thats really sad anon genuinely
>>94317276the first one is pretty good if you don't like owls but is a bit busy. the second one is too green. the third one not only has excellent composition but also the character looks like a wizard rather than a warrior even tho there is no wind in the pic like in the first
>>94317276I like left, but right represents what the card actually does the most I think
>>94317295Changed the two most popular to tempest since that's where the art is from. Thoughts?
>>94317416*onslaught
>>94317276I'd say the one on the right. I personally like the art in the middle the most, but it doesn't really work for the Spirit tribal vibes
Got the Radkos Valgavoth, but not the precon deck. What kind of cards could I brew it with?
>>94317276>>94317416All are good but Michael Sutfin's art is fantastic. From the art alone I would, however, expect some sort of voltron/attacking based commander rather than what Kykar does
>>94317416Left or make another with pic related's art
>>94317511You can build Kykar however you want as long as it's not entirely creature based, I'm pretty sure he can work as a Voltron commander.
Thoughts on my updated Satoru Umezawa deck? I know it probably needs more card draw but I'm not sure where to get it, it might have enough since I added rhystic study.https://www.moxfield.com/decks/73bkNruOn06BD2nEeq5nRA
>>94317098Unironically theft decks.
>>94317088I would like the list. I had been considering a devils/demons decks for R/B, but while I was pulling cards, I realized how boring it was.
>>94317055thanks for ignoring my question to post three paragraphs of schizobabble, very cool
>>94316492Nightstalker natives would have been cool but wotc would never have the balls to do it
>>94317055Looking at your hand gives you the choice. If I Mulligan at zero right off the bat, I might have thrown away the best hand I ever had so why do that? I'd drag it out too, as long as possible
>>94317795https://www.moxfield.com/decks/O7z2-sTAwUyHXERGvqM9xQBe warned I have a good number of vanity cards in the deck, Cruelclaw is a great commander to hit the binder and say "I've always wanted to cast this".I just added Whispersilk after having a game where it was hard to get through with CruelclawHappy to hear feedback>>94316492They had 0% balls. Even the lowhanging fruit of Elf natives was too hot to touch.>>94317815Holy based that would have been a great use of Nightstalkers
>guy plays meathook massacre on turn 4>zimone player has an absolute meltyit's too funny guys. i even tried to console the guy telling he basically just drew 4 cards from It Came From the Pipes but bro was just gone. full schizo rant mode
>>94317927Oh, I always try to put in Whispersilk or Rogue's Passage when I have an on-combat damage commander. Trailblazer's Boots from Zendikar are pretty good for it, too, since nearly everyone runs at least ONE nonbasic land. Thanks for the list.
>>94317951>Complaining about someone playing the game>In blueClassic.
>>94317951I'd scoop if someone was doing that at my table. Bonus points if me scooping ruins the entire game and king makes
>>94314927Always remember to use the superior Ghostbusters soul guide lantern
>>94316434Not remotely unpleasant as a graveyard deck.>But they'll mill recursionBitch my cards activate in the graveyard
What's the doritos locos tacos of edh decks
>>94317987As a primarily blue/blue+whatever player mannnnnn I gotta catch myself from complaining about this kinda shit too because ya you're right it's fucking hypocritical as fuck
Sometime I just wonder what if I added those color hate cards in my deck that aren't blue hate, just so I can be an asshole to a specific player in the pod.
>>94318229this shit has won soooooo many games and people are less likely to kill it than grip/lifeforce
>>94318229>we're 100% blackI wonder how strong a deck where every non-land has only black pips could be
>>94318229I like adding color hate cards so I can shed some light on this. Green, black and blue are the most popular cards in edh, so having color hosers for one of those (or multiple of those) often works out. If you have multiple decks you could also only pick certain decks when the color hosers in them would be relevant. I use pic related in a deck and I've never had a game where it was completely useless. You can also go for more flexible color hosers, such as the monocolor hosers like shimmer and wake of destruction. I'd avoid putting hosers in that only hit red or white.
>>94318298If you're running a deck with blue, you can hit color hosers with magical hack to tune it to your table.
>>94318175What did he mean by this
>>94318175the slopkino of edh decks is indisputably chatterfang
I met someone who plays the exact opposite style of magic that I do. It was weird, he was a nice guy, knowledgable about magic, plays standard and pioneer. But holy fuck he would hate to play me. I didnt even suggest it.
>>94318589Opposite in that he plays Standard/Poineer and you play Commander? Or in what way?
>>94314141>Kraken>Clearly a lobster
Frostfang or Toski? Context is a Baylen deck.
Post irl decks
>>94312525I know nothing about this fish, and yet I love her
>>94318660He plays standard and pioneer, I play vintage and legacy. He believes things can be too strong, I believe things arent strong enough. He likes nosewater, I hate his guts. He plays arena, I play mtgo. He knows more pro players, I know more artists. It was like the bizarro version of me, but he's nice enough and I would draft with him sometime in the future. The juxtaposition was immediately jarring.
>>94318696Why not both? Increases you chance at getting at least one of them.
>>94318696both ideally but Frostfang gives you better chances to connect
>>94318721My camera doesn't take pictures good enough for that
>>94318721I would but I’m phone posting from bed and not dragging my ass out to set up a photo shoot. Ask again tomorrow
>>94318775>>94318778>bothLimited slots available, especially considering I have some draw via Baylen in the command zone. That being said, maybe Shamanic Revelation should be cut before either of the creatures-based draw engines.
>>94318721I love this deck
Should I make dimir zombies or dimir fairies? I'm only building one. Alela, Cunning Conqueror seeems fun, but I also want a zombie deck so I can play rooftop storm combos
I got ALL kaiju cards, whats the best decks to build around them?
>>94319046>Kaiju cardsIsn't that Yugioh? I think you have the wrong thread.
>no 5c uber kaiju in ikoria
>>94319051the toho alt art from ikoria you double nigger newfag
>>94319006"Build" both, then playtest both and see which one is more fun?
>>94319057Touho's JP Anon, maybe you should go there?
>>94319083nta but sounds like you're in the wrong thread
>>94318317I love that card
I got to play Commander for the 1st time in like two years. I managed a 21 commander damage win with a really jank Voltron-ish deck. Feels good, bros
>friend playing simic>he goes for crop rotation on turn 2>as an additional cost, sac a land>sacs his land>I counterI have never seen him more angry.
>>94319400Is their deck heavily based on getting certain lands or anything? I can kind of see him being annoyed, since it seems petty to use a counterspell on a crop rotation on turn 2. But, I don't know if his deck does crazy shit if allowed to do that. If not, then it is kind of a dick move and honestly a misplay
>>94319444people generally seethe when you touch their land base. rocks are fair game, but lands for some reason are verboten
>>94318721Officially updated and feeling super good about it
>>94319444it's a simic "if I get enough lands the deck plays itself and I win" deck. I regret nothing.
>>94319444>Legal>MisplayMeh
>>94319479You shouldn't; you did the right play
>>94319474thugshaker cavalry is so good in that deck
>>94319490you have no idea how many times I've almost called moonshaker that at irl tables, its a fucking intrusive thought that will win one day but I will continue to be vigilant
>>94319449Rocks really aren't fair game it's just that there's so much accidental artifact wipe that you kinda have to roll with it
>>94319499But they are
>>94319499casting vandalblast to kill equipment and accidentally hitting rocks does not illicit the same response as casting jokulhaups to nuke creatures and accidentally hitting lands
>>94319516Is it a legal play? Then it's fair in my book
>>94319516The most hilarious way I've seen someone deal with an equipment is by turning it into a creature for a turn. The one turn was all we needed.
dockside should not have been banned. dockside was strong because you fucks all decided 12 mana rocks that cost 2 or less was the way to go. (and burgeoning/exploration for the green players)We needed more cards like dockside, not less. Cards that read "when that faggot goes wide on turn 4, this will even the odds"
Is tribal a trap?
>>94319479then you did the right play.>>94319481Misplay doesn't inherently mean "messed up the rules." A misplay could be you having bad threat assessment that leads to a shitty outcome for you
>>94319549What kind of trap
>>94319561Yeah, I've actually never heard the term "Misplay" used to describe a situation where a person screwed up the rules, at least none I can remember. To the best of my recollection, I've ONLY ever heard it to describe a situation where a player made the wrong decision based off information they had available to them.
>>94319547The issue is you blinking it 15 times
>>94319603That's why I still think we need more cards like it. The ETB as a sorcery, for example.
>>94319547Why yes I love cards that win me the game because one person at the table misplayed like a retard how could you tell?
>>94318721another one>>94319490I really like Moonshaker Cavalry
>>94319623This isn't a team game. Your opponent fucking you over with their choices is kind of the point.
>>94319685Changing the game from "strongest player wins" into "weakest player makes everyone else lose" is a play pattern of all time.
>>94319623you're thinking of remora
>>94319696collusion is a legit play
>>94319639>>94319474that knight deck is fucking awful and has so many bad cards in it and i dont even know what to make of that coram deck
>>94319561>>94319580I sorta figured it meant you made a suboptimal move. Right?
>>94319750This is why cEDH can't have prize tournaments
>>94319827*Not yet
>>94319821Yeah. It means that you made the wrong move given the information you had available to you.Though it's a bit fuzzy when a sub optimal move ends up being optimal when including hidden info to the equation.
>>94319474>Knight of the Holy Nimbus>Cavalier of Dawn>Xerex Strobe-Knight>Order of the Sacred Torch>Stromgald Cabal>Sworn Defendercut these>Archfiend of Ifnir>Council of Four>Glorycut these>Unfulfilled desires>Knights' Charge>Sorin Vengeful Bloodlordcut these
>>94319867To me if it's legal, it's fair game. That's all I care about. I'm used to the board getting nuked 4-6 times a match so nothing bothers me anymore
>>94319474>slop lands>overpriced basics>almost no draw or recursion
>>94319910>>94319872>>94319790those decks are aweosme shut up samefag
Can I tap a treasure token to make the 1 mana and then sac the treasure token with this before it kills itself to get the mana + the buff?
>>94318096and, I play Magic not Ghost Busters
>>94315524I tuned (& pimped) my glissa for 10+ years now. It can't get any better than that, i tried it all and it's the most evolved iteration possible. Feel free to get inspiration from it.
>>94319953No. Treasures need to tap AND sacrifice to activate their ability. It will no longer be in play when the mana is added, and so it can't be sacrificed to pay another cost.
>>94319964>>na, I play Magic not Ghostbustersfucking futo keyboard
>>94319953She only activates as a sorcery, so no. Even if she wasn't stuck at sorcery speed, the cost to add the mana is sacrificing the treasure in the first place so it wouldn't work there either.
https://archidekt.com/decks/7654808/spiders1Here is my Ishkanah deck is it okay
>>94319989>>94319995mkay.. that's a lil annoying.. so I've gotta make endless treasure tokens just to not use themGuess I might as well just spawn zombie armies to sac instead and carry a lifelink buff
>>94320002Yeah, sacrificing the treasure for lifelink feels like it's there more for the option rather than the goal with her. You'd probably want cheap token and creature generators like this thing and others when trying to build her. She's got red in her too so you should be able to with some easy make token copies of your other creatures that would be exiled at the end of turn anyway for her to feed on as well.
>>94320019Perfect.That's a thing I hadn't thought about.. there are quite a few "creature token, give haste, exile" things.
>>94318949This actually looks pretty promising. Bartolome had always seemed cool and working in Lurrus for repeatable sacrificing is a good idea. Playing so close to the ground with such a low curve is interesting. How do games with these two usually go?
>>94319474Is the Anvil of Bogardan worth it? I usually try as hard as possible to not play anything that would draw my opponents unless I've got something to punish it. Always felt like the risk was too great.
>>94319006Who are you considering for the zombie commander?
>>94320039It's interesting but nah
>>94320027Yeah there are couple to choose from in red that should do some damage and then feed her after. This, Heat Shimmer, Orthion, Feldon, and any number of similar cards could find a home there along with the many ways red has to make treasure.
>>94320047Wouldn't think so. It gets you discards which is good, but possibly fixing your opponents' hands is rarely ever something I would want to do.
>>94319953Fucking NO. There is no point in time that you can respond to someone paying a cost, and saccing the treasure is part of the cost of a treasure's ability; which is a mana ability btw, which doesn't use the stack so you can't respond to it, anyways.
>>94319953......no
>>94319964Ghostbusters is a better IP
>>94320000god this art is ugly.
>>94320083Wow what an impressively shit taste.
>>94320563>But old beloved guys from a long time ago drew it so it goodNo.Some of their work is good. This and the treebeard ones are fucking horrific. Kenrith/theoden and Soul Warden/Goldberry are examples of non-shit art of theirs..
>>94319953this one seems like a sidestepped and slightly more powercrept Juri. does he still hold up or should i just build Evereth?
>>94320771Being a sacrifice outlet is a huge step up. I would probably just go with Evereth.
Does everybody have their bots ready to order their SLDs today?
>>94320588Wow it really is impressively shit taste
>>94320039I actually haven't played a real game since finalizing this list, so I'll be finding out this thursday how it playsI think it might be worth it, and I'm hoping it helps me curate my hand comfortably while forcing not ideal discards on others. If it feels like it's helping them too much, I'll probably replace it with something else
>>94320588>Goldberry art>Not shit
>>94321122I remember shitposters wanting to smash that hamplanet when first released
>>94321122>anon is retarded and doesn't know how to read >>94321210You're retarded too but removed a step so significantly less retarded.
>>94320031Playing it is interesting. Early game is usually pretty quick since the curve is so low and there are so many cantrip creatures. Usually get bart out and a way to protect him, then start stacking counters. It can get aggressive fast, which is good, but late game it can switch to a grindy game. Recasting removal like the capsules or unyielding gatekeeper. I've grinded out plenty of games with marionette apprentice recasting hangarback walker turn after turn. Casting Lurrus is the clunkiest part, but the value is worth it. I need to tweak the deck a little more, but it's working pretty well as is. Will add entomb for more consistency, maybe an urza's bauble and mox amber, a shadowspear and fiddle with sac fodder. Last game I won with some well times spells and two karnstructs while stuck on no black mana the first 5 or so turns. The low cmc keeps it resilient, while maintaining efficiency with impactful cards.
>>94316474ACK
>>94316474Anon you just kill the crucible
>>94312454A ton of mill decks also mill themselves for value because a ton of mill effects are symmetical and have ways to shuffle their graveyarda back into their libraries. I know my deck would absolutely love this.
>>94321248>He thinks im not talking about the souls attendant goodberry artAnd you call other people retarded
>>94312511It is hating it out because it's targeting an alt wincon strategy but is otherwise a garbage card. The unfun part isn't having to mill yourself its that you can't use your wincon, you can't do what your dexk wants to do.>>94312507>>94312507
>>94321541Hes talking about this card you dipshit
>>94312507Tribal is just boring unless there are specific mechanics tied to the creature type and you're building around them, rather than just "[creature type] gets [keyword] / +X/+X effects.
>>94321566Is my tribal deck boring ;-;>>94320000
>>94321122Is this the one you're talking about? Cause she looks great here>inb4 fatPeak fertility goddess.
>>94321565My bad I'm also a dipshit but he did mispeak he meant souls attendant which is great art
>>94316474The existence of glacial chasm and other such absurd utility lands cements sowing mycospawn as the best card to come out of MH3
>>94321576It is boring, but not because it's too braindead tribal. It's just all around very poorly made. Feels very genericly golgari but with some carda that are just incredibly low value or make no sense. And that mane base is beyond trash.
>>94321631How do I make it better! Ignore the mana base they never reflect what I do in paper
>have a groupchat for people who play edh because the lgs shutdown so we play at each others houses most weeks>guy who aggressively mulligans for/tutors for Farewell everysingle game says his comingfor fuck sake
>>94321654>having a basic conversation is hardDoes anyone else dislike this or is it just you?
>>94321654Assuming you guys play with friendly mulls, just tell him to knock that shit off or start playing by real mulligan rules
>>94321684he's a very nice person and a good magic playerit's just a frustrating habiti don't think anyone particularly likes it, nobut he generally convinces everyone i'm the threat most games, people believe him, he casts farewell and wins, it's very odd. People tend to trust him because he has a lot of experience in magic in general. Either i kill him before he casts it, or he wins, is like 80% of the games, its very odd
>>94321654It's hard to know where to even start. Juat looking at it, here are definitely cuts:>Abzan Beastmaster>Beast Within>Culling Ritual>Deathcap Cultivator>Feed the Swarm>Glissa Sunslayer>Greater Tanuki>Grisly Salvage>Gwenna, Eyes of Gaea>Infernal Grasp>Llanowar Dead>Morbid Opportunist>Pack's Disdain>Pick Your Poison>Tribal Forcemage>Tribute to the WildFor various different reasons. Some are very inefficient, particularly the removal. Other just don't have any synergy in the deck.Its all just very muddled. There are tons of cards in your deck that mill, but outside of your commander's etb, you aren't benefitting at all from it. You have some death trigger benefits, but have no consistant way to get those death triggers. Same with etb triggers, but at least your commander has one.You also just lack enough ramp and card draw.
>>94321738Sorry, was meant for>>94321642Also spider doesn't really have an overarching mechanic to work with outside of reach, so it doesn't really work in the format I set out. Maybe a little bit of aelf mill, but not much.
>>94321738Sorry but you're bad and I won't be taking advice from you. Greater Tanuki gets me 2 card types for delirium and a land. The rest is very good removal I'm going to laugh at you now
>>94321765Was actually going to give you decklist that functioned well as a comparison, but if you're gunna be a pissy little bitch about criticism over your festering shit pile of a deck, then you do you. Good luck with your unsynergistic nonsense garbage pile.
>>94321702I'm in agreement it's vexing that people refuse to assess threat. While you could call him rude for setting up people against you, if it keeps happening with the same people, that's on them for not knowing to determine the guy who played tutors might have a loaded agenda for every accusation or spur to action they make.>Specifically for FarewellApart from being rude, that just sounds boring. Stalling and grabbing lands & planeswalkers before exiling when people committed too much to the board so you can pace ahead of them for the rest of an agonizing game sounds like a nightmare. Skill issue from the other players, but it's fucking commander. Like the other anons say, just bring it up.I had a conversation with a friend about when I knocked him out around the supposed middle part of the game.>I don't have anything anymore in my hand of 6-7 cards!That's fine to say, but you've got 10+ mana and a full grip. Even if they were all lands, who's to say you can't pull some shit with a schnazzy topdeck?Besides, when the other half of the table are lying, deceiving and scheming bastards (Good for them), I'm not going to feel guilty for going with my gut when pounding someone into the 00's.
>>94321738>beast within is badlol
>>94321814Super ineffecient, yeah. 1 permanent for 3 mana and they get a creature. I mean it's not terrible because it can target anything, but its "incredible card!" status is more of a meme than anything. Just play more good removal and then you don't have to worry about inefficient flexible removal.
>>94321790He's right
>>94321834He is right about Tanuki, that mych is true. Not about the rest.
>>94321765>NtaYou're unironically running feed the swarm in a deck with green you have zero room to call anyone else bad
>>94321586she looks uncanny/ugly because she has a slim woman's face, slim fingers and slim wrists, while her knee is the so fat, is has the size of her head, a trait you only find in the most disgusting hamplanets to ever walk the earth.
>>94321898Agree on your assessment of her features, disagree on your conclusion. She's gorgeous. Somewhat fat without rolls + not affecting face is peak. Definition of thick.
>>94321898based nooticer able to put feels to words
>>94321853Why wouldn't I? It's well costed even in green and if it doesn't have to hit enchantments. Flexibility is good especially when it's well costed. Also it's on my desk and I aint wasting money to get slightly better removal
>>94322040Don't ask for criticism then? If you aren't willing to change, there's no point in it.
>>94322078>Here is my dogshit opinion on the deck>ermmm why ask if my terrible opinion won't change your mind
>>94321831People making statements like this must be complete brainlets and/or zero gameplay experience.
>>94322121Your deck is shit dude, and you're a pissy bitch about any criticism towards it.Even if you disagreed with the criticsm you could have just explained why instead of being a snooty cunt about it.
>>94322194Tell me you don't play enough card draw and removal without telling me you don't play enough card draw and removal.
>>94322196Anon nothing you said makes sense. You called it unsynergystic yet were unable to see a pretty obvious synergy for greater tanuki in the deck. Then you pivot to removal which really has nothing to do with a deck, its there to interact with others and in that regard it is more than adequate. You are objectively bad at the game and should never give your opinion again >snooty cunt If you had came with proper criticism it would have been met with respect ^.^
>secret lair site can't handle the obvious massive surge of traffic>goes down>will now go live at an unspecified timelol
you deserve everything that comes to you
>>94322329Schizo post
>the line is paused
Refreshing the site fixed it.
>>94322208>NOOOO YOU MISSED ONE CARD!!! YOUR WHOLE HECKEN CRITICISM IS INVALID!!!Jesus christ anon. Did you just skip over where I said you deck is doing too many things with too little interaction between them? Whenever I said you have a bunch of thing that want triggers, but don't have many things to enable those triggers?I run hyper budget decks and win regularly against decks with no budgets. Multi thousand dollar decks with perfect mana bases. I'm perfectly fine, thanks.
>>94322381>>94322390why would you consume?
>>94322413I just happen to hear when big things happen, because I don't have my head in the sand. It's all over twitter and bluesky
>>94320818>>94320771I think juri is better to he honest. Having to keep the mana up with evereth is annoying, as is the sorcery speed restriction. Can't sac your board in response to a boardwipe. Most importantly, juri gets counters when you sac things to other permanents (say, Ashnod's or phyrexian altar or Vampiric rites) while Evereth requires you to sacrifice things to her, which isn't as beneficial. However, she's also a hot piece of anime ass so it's basically a toss-up.
Rank these in terms of soulfulness.>using dice for tokens>using pennies for tokens>using cards from other card games for tokens>using wotc approved tokens for tokens>using proxied tokens for tokens>using infinitokens for tokens
>>94320771I don't know if thinking one is better than the other is the right way to go about it. They both work well together you're probably going to want to include both in the same deck anyway. The answer depends on what you value more. Having a sacrifice outlet in the command zone or having something that gains advantage out of anything being sacrificed. Personally, I think I would like having the outlet and pay off on one creature a bit more so I'd go with Evereth.
>>94322464>soulless>soulless>soul>soulless>soul>soulless
>>94322464wotc approved<<infinitokens<<proxied tokens<<dice<<pennies<<cards from other games<<beer bottlecaps
>>94322413>why consumeBecause I can and I want to. I value different things than you do.
>>94322464The only token I've considered proxying is Smaug for exactly the reasons you'd think
>>94322464>using dice for tokensThis is shit. Anything else is fine but just nondescript dice randomly on the field is just awful for play.
>>94322494mm interestingvery interestingwhat of value would one get from consuming? surely not just for having cardboard that comes from a specific printer so said printer can keep printing more cardboard
>>94322529Cope stupid zoomer.
>>94322391My deck is literally doing one thing and it's incredibly sad you are having trouble seeing that anon. Tanuki is just a signpost for how badly you missed the mark
>>94322594boomer here. Using dice for tokens is awful and I will make you use actual tokens.
>>94322533This is so pseudy it hurts>ermmmmm what value do you get out of owning things you like!?!?!?
>>94320000You seem to be getting very heated below so I'll break down some of the problems with the deck, I don't think it's bad, I just think it needs tuned>Bounce commander7/10 of these cards are going to be pretty much dead draws until your commander comes down and even then will only actually help you get a couple more spiders on the battlefield and won't actually help you extend your game plan. You could easily cut this section in half and free up slots for more generic protection or synergies>LandsYou said to ignore it so I'll ignore it, but that base is desperate for some duals>Big spidersThese are fine, big spiders that sometimes do things, though they don't really synergize with your token strategy much outside of just being spiders>CardsThis one's a bit rough imo, abzan beast master is once per cycle conditional card draw that doesn't do anything the turn it comes down. gristly salvage and peerless recycling could work but your deck as it is really isn't built around making them work well. shamanistic revelation and are going to either be too slow or too win-more, the mana/creature investment to make them worth their weight is too high. Sign in blood, vraska joins up (as card draw), and siphon mind are really just not the kinds of cards your looking for.>Little spidersThey're spiders, they're fine >RampId like the greater tanuki line more if you had more delirium or graveyard synergies but really there's only 2 cards in your deck that care about it being in the GY, I wouldn't remove it but I'd play more GY synergies. You only really have 1 card that will trigger gwenna and she isn't going to ramp you into your 5 drop spike faster than a kodamas reach. Deathcap cultivator and llanowar dead don't really do anything for you here that other 1 or 2 mana dorks wouldn't do better, plus this deck is begging for a deathrite shaman.
It is not a graveyard deck. It is a spiders deck. How fucking retarded are you people
>>94322596>tons of cards that have no synergy at all>wincons that don't work because you have bacially no chance of flooding the board with spiders cause you deck don't well efficiently enough>basically no draw powerOkay, sir. You go off. Have fun losing to precons.
>>94322660(Cont.) >RemovalNot bad, could be improved by spending money but it's inoffensive at worst. I'm not a fan of generic edicts like tribute to the wild because more often than not it'll result in a clue and a 1/1 getting saced and nothing else. Culling ritual is a uniquely bad nonbo in your deck since it'll remove your entire army of tokens right before giving you the mana you'd want to close out the game with using your commander. Crippling fear is also a not terribly great board wipe since it's completely inflexible and at the 4 mana bracket where more flexible and more encompassing wipes exist.>WinPlease for the love of God and all that is holy switch that forcemage and shadowsage for a pair of overruns, even something as simple as an overwhelming stampede and end-raze forerunners will get you more mileage as one-off "I win" buttons
>>94322693>It's not a graveyard deck it's a spiders deckYou commander has delirium and you have more than one card dedicated solely to getting cards in your graveyard, whether you want it or not it would be a better deck if you actually included some kind of graveyard synergy
>>94322693>Nooooo my heckin spider deck is perfect!!!Then why are you looking for comments here?>Your criticisms aren't validddd!! I'd respond well to valid ones!!!Here are a bunch of valid ones>Noooo you guys don't even get what my heckin spiderooo tribal deck is dooooing!!!Tribal...?>Noooo I'm not running icky boring tribal cards!!Then what are you running,>My heckin spiderinos, and golgari cards I like!! You r too dum to see my big brain strats!!
>>94322693A golgari deck without graveyard synergy is like an angel without its wings
>>94322799There are some decks that don't care about it, not many, but when your commander has bloody delirium, it definitely should.
>>94320000The main problem is that spider tribal generally kinda sucks, if you want to keep it that way sure, but you'd be better off swapping out a lot of those spiders for more stuff that fills the graveyard/blinks your commander. Sword of Hearth and home is a definite add regardless, and i'd switch out deathcap cultivate and Llanowar dead for a birds of paradise and a Millikin, trade Farseek for natures lore, and an ornithopter of paradise would also be a mana dork with Delirum synergy
>>94322607mmh mmh, so you like specific ink on specific paper from specific place. understandable
Bros...I'm not going to get Storm.......Should I an hero?
>>94323300It's not storm it's spellslingerHeheh
>want to buy a marvelslop bundle to resell>go to checkout at 10.02>more than an hour wait>still more than an hour wait 45 minutes later I was going charge a ridiculous mark up to slop consumers when I went to resell in 6 months but oh well.
>>94323300deserved
Is Baylen a fun deck?
I only got Wolverine because I don't have an Ozolith
>>94323384sounds fun with lots of creature tokens an haste, but he also draws extreme value from treasures and food. stuff like rocco street chef can be very good in that deck.
I bought Storm, deal with it chuds
>>94323624ok
Started right at 9:00 on the dot and didn't get in until 11:20. Scared me when I first for through and it took me to a "session has timed out" screen.
>>94323726I didn't wait at all and used a guest account, took less than 5 minutes from cart to checkout.
>>94323726you reminded me that this is happening, I'm gonna see if I can get the Storm one
>>94323824Foil just sold out.
>>94323834I'm aiming for nonfoil, just got put on the list. Not even sure if I'm gonna build it, but I'd rather have it for when I decide to build Temur.
>>94312482>>94312598>>94314927It's not 2009 anymore morons, mill has shit like mill to exile, mill until half their lands are also gone, mill more than half your deck, and of course if you mill mill that amount again. It's not a weak strategy in the slightest and even their own hate cards don't technically work 100% of the time anymore, unlike the hate cards for reanimator that always work to completely screw the strategy over.
>>94323858People have been getting past the line using guest accounts and direct URLs to the cart.FYII sniped foil Storm and Iron Man in less than 5 minutes.I didn't even know the drop was today.
>>94323834>been waiting for 3 hours to get foil Storm and Captain America>still have 40 mins in lineGuess I'm not fucking getting shit
>>94323875I used the guest account thing, not sure how to get right to the cart to bypass the system
>>94323880>he waited in lineunironically skill issue
>94323779>94323875>94323890nigga no one cares
>>94323337Oh no I can't be evil this sucks! :C
>>94323887What I did was just add the bundle and use>>94323444unless WotC patched it real quick
>>94323904nah they patched it after all the scalper bots already used that exploit
>>94323904Damn, took me to the same queue. Guess they fixed it, I would've loved to make sure i get my copy of Storm and be able to take a nap without waiting.
>>94323913>>94323914Yeah I just tried the exploit and it's no longer working
Gotteeem boiiis
>>94319639nice work accepting Strip Mine with land recursion into your life
>>94322464I use old coins as treasure tokens, tails side up if they're tapoed treasures, heads are untapped.
>>94323824Good luck bro. I have a feeling this is going to be a mess of a release.
>>94323969Thanks! I decided to swap Demolition Field for it just for the violence factor. Actually had a bit of a funny story picking up my copy.>spending weekend at my old man's house>before leaving, he asks me if there's any cards I'm looking for>tell him about how I'm thinking of getting Glory and Watery Grave for Sidar and Strip Mine for Coram>he gives me 33 bucks before I go>get there>pick out about $5 worth of bulk foils which I can list after>get copy of Glory>then ask to price out the cheapest Watery Grave and Strip Mine>guy behind the counter gets me the Gatecrash Watery Grave>then he takes out the Strip Mines>I pick out a relatively damaged one after turning down the foreign one, hoping to keep the price in line>we go to the counter>checkout comes to 3 dollars over what i have>he says in a dry humor voice "oh look we're having a saaaaalleee">says no one's gonna miss a few bulk cards so he takes 3 dollars off the order>packages up my stuff and sends me on my way>get into the car>open package to look at my new haul and show my mom the neat foils, she likes how they look and sometimes picks some out from the bulk box with me for cool art/aesthetics>go through the pile>he put in all 4 other copies of Strip Mine as well>get out of the car and sprint back into the store>guy isn't at the counter>he comes running from the back>eyes meet>we BOTH have an "oh thank god" moment>give him back the cards>he said he only noticed after checking me out that they weren't on the table anymore>>94324020Here's hoping, if you're in line I hope you get yours too!
>>94324031You are a gigantic faggot lmao.
>>94322660>>94322760Anon that's good advice and I'm going to build a better spider deck to spite this guy.
>>94324163>not being a thief is being a faggot
>>94323901>noooo you can't buy my slop before can get mine thats evil!!!I think I'll get another storm drop for just for my personal collection. If you want the other drop it'll 149.99 + tip :^)
>>94324031>didnt just take 4 copies of strip mine for free
>>94324176Yes.
>>94324031>30+ year old man drags his parents into his children's card game addiction
New thread:>>94324218>>94324218
>>94324216No, you feckless moron
>>94324498you're a retard
>>94322693When God was handing out brains you got in the line for applesauce
